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JordansBulls
01-10-2010, 12:46 PM
Last 15 years (top 5 picks) of great players (What order do you draft them) ....


Imagine each of these players in the same draft class and the same age.

The players are guys who were top 5 picks within the last 15 years.


Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick

Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick

Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick

Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick

Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick

Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick

Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick

Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick

Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick

Lebron James (2003) #1 pick

Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick

Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick

Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick

Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick

Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick

Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick

Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick

Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick

Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick

Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick


That's 21 players who were top 5 picks in the last 15 years. What order would you select them if in a draft knowing what you know about them?

Who do you select 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc


NOTE: I think this could be sort of interesting.

ManRam
01-10-2010, 12:55 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

Tough to do. If I can draft Grant Hill and make him indestructible, he'd be top 5. Yao would move up a ton too. Hard to compare Griffin, Beasley, Rose etc. with Kidd, Garnett and Grant...but I tried. Probably am favoring longevity over potential.

RadiantShot
01-10-2010, 12:59 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick


Only switched up a few things from ManRam's, his list was pretty accurate to me.

CB4AB7VC15
01-10-2010, 01:02 PM
TD
LBJ
KG
AI
Howard
Wade
Melo
Paul
Ming
Kidd
KD
Ray
VC
The rest...........

J_M_B
01-10-2010, 01:20 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick

pd7631
01-10-2010, 06:10 PM
1-Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
2-Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
3-Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
4-Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
5-Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
6-Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
7-Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
8-Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
9-Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
10-Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
11-Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
12-Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
13-Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
14-Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
15-Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
16-Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
17-Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
18-Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
19-Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
20-Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick
21-Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick......he hasn't even played yet, at least everyone else on the list has proven to be at least a pretty good player when healthy. For all we know, Blake Griffin could just be the 2nd coming of Kwame Brown. IMO anyone who would take Blake Griffin at any spot other than last is crazy. I'm not saying he's going to be a bad player, but if given this list of players you can't take the guy who's never played in the NBA.

roshan3ai
01-10-2010, 06:24 PM
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pic
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick

3RDASYSTEM
01-10-2010, 06:25 PM
Lebron
ai
hill
kidd
ming
wade
duncan
garnett
paul
melo
durant
brand
bosh
rose
williams
allen
griffen
oden
beasley

SteveNash
01-10-2010, 07:06 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick

b_rad23
01-10-2010, 07:12 PM
durant
beasley
rose
griffin
oden

lakerfan 4 life
01-10-2010, 07:24 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Why did you put Iverson last? He was one of the most unstoppable pg's of all time when he was in his prime, he won an mvp, and almost won a championship. IMO he should definitely be in the top ten AT THE VERY LEAST.

SteveNash
01-10-2010, 07:26 PM
Why did you put Iverson last? He was one of the most unstoppable pg's of all time when he was in his prime, he won an mvp, and almost won a championship. IMO he should definitely be in the top ten AT THE VERY LEAST.

You're going to have to remind me again how Iverson almost won a championship.

mavwar53
01-10-2010, 07:31 PM
I don't have the time to look at all the names but I would include jamison at #4 in 1998 you could argue he has had a better career than carter

spreadeagle
01-10-2010, 07:35 PM
Darko ftw!

spreadeagle
01-10-2010, 07:38 PM
[QUOTE=mavwar53;11944931]I don't have the time to look at all the names but I would include jamison at #4 in 1998 you could argue he has had a better career than carter[/QUOTE
No doubt! jamison has been solid and consistant.Its intresting how everyone assumes Toronto won that trade.I think when you look at them in a few yrs he will have the better stats "Jamison"

fins08
01-10-2010, 08:16 PM
Beasley behind Oden is a joke. Oden is a complete bust. Can he stay healthy? Beasley has that on his side.

Agent008
01-10-2010, 09:45 PM
Top 5:

1. Lebron
2. Duncan
3. Garnett
4. Wade
5. Kidd

ManRam
01-10-2010, 10:07 PM
You're going to have to remind me again how Iverson almost won a championship.

1. Look at your name.
2. Go back to that list and count the number of guys who have won a championship. It will be a bigger number than the number of guys who haven't.
3. Having Iverson last, a guy who was without a doubt the best player in the league at one point in time, is absolutely, positively, without a doubt the funniest/stupidest thing I've read on PSD in a long time.

_KB24_
01-10-2010, 10:10 PM
Where's my man Kwame???????? :facepalm:

Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick

SteveNash
01-10-2010, 10:13 PM
1. Look at your name.
2. Go back to that list and count the number of guys who have won a championship. It will be a bigger number than the number of guys who haven't.
3. Having Iverson last, a guy who was without a doubt the best player in the league at one point in time, is absolutely, positively, without a doubt the funniest/stupidest thing I've read on PSD in a long time.

1. What about my name?

2. 4 guys won a ring, 17 have not, 4 is smaller than 17.

3. Picking Iverson is a death warrant to your franchise. He's proven time and time again that he cares about himself more than any sort of team success. Building a team around him means that you'll never have a successful season that ends with your team winning a championship.

Anyone who doesn't take Iverson last has just killed their team. Allen Iverson is probably the worse player a franchise could ever take and I probably should have just taken him off the list as giving up a draft pick is better than taking him and having him ruin your team.

lakerfan 4 life
01-10-2010, 10:45 PM
1. What about my name?

2. 4 guys won a ring, 17 have not, 4 is smaller than 17.

3. Picking Iverson is a death warrant to your franchise. He's proven time and time again that he cares about himself more than any sort of team success. Building a team around him means that you'll never have a successful season that ends with your team winning a championship.

Anyone who doesn't take Iverson last has just killed their team. Allen Iverson is probably the worse player a franchise could ever take and I probably should have just taken him off the list as giving up a draft pick is better than taking him and having him ruin your team.

The only reason he never won a Championship is because he never had a good supporting cast. Any team would kill to have a player of the caliber of Iverson in his prime. I dont understand how having AI kills your team while having Oden on it does. There is a reason why AI was nicknamed the answer.

Raps18-19 Champ
01-10-2010, 10:48 PM
Can't decide between James and Duncan.

Young and Stupid
01-10-2010, 11:14 PM
Really Duncan over LeBron. Eh.

_KB24_
01-10-2010, 11:21 PM
1. What about my name?

2. 4 guys won a ring, 17 have not, 4 is smaller than 17.

3. Picking Iverson is a death warrant to your franchise. He's proven time and time again that he cares about himself more than any sort of team success. Building a team around him means that you'll never have a successful season that ends with your team winning a championship.

Anyone who doesn't take Iverson last has just killed their team. Allen Iverson is probably the worse player a franchise could ever take and I probably should have just taken him off the list as giving up a draft pick is better than taking him and having him ruin your team.

AI took a **** team to the finals. Nash couldn't take a stacked team past the Conference Finals.

SteveNash
01-10-2010, 11:46 PM
The only reason he never won a Championship is because he never had a good supporting cast. Any team would kill to have a player of the caliber of Iverson in his prime. I dont understand how having AI kills your team while having Oden on it does. There is a reason why AI was nicknamed the answer.

I asked how he almost won a championship? He wasn't close to a championship unless Kobe and Shaq both died during the Finals.

And I thought AI gave himself the nickname the answer. He should really be named the cancer as he ruins teams not saves them.


AI took a **** team to the finals. Nash couldn't take a stacked team past the Conference Finals.

Iverson took a stacked defensive team and got brought into the Finals where he got his *** handed to him. AI plays in the West with that team and he NEVER gets passed the first round.

Philadelphia would have been far better off taking Nash, or Allen, Marbury, Dampier, etc.

MR.TRIPDUB
01-11-2010, 12:11 AM
The only reason he never won a Championship is because he never had a good supporting cast. Any team would kill to have a player of the caliber of Iverson in his prime. I dont understand how having AI kills your team while having Oden on it does. There is a reason why AI was nicknamed the answer.

everybody keeps saying this... would you say that melo, kmart, camby, jr and nene aint good when ai was there. that "awful" 2001 sixers is the best team fitted for iverson. i dont think a stacked phoenix team would go far if they replaced nash with iverson.

_KB24_
01-11-2010, 01:05 AM
Iverson took a stacked defensive team and got brought into the Finals where he got his *** handed to him. AI plays in the West with that team and he NEVER gets passed the first round.

Philadelphia would have been far better off taking Nash, or Allen, Marbury, Dampier, etc.

You do know how stupid you sound with that statement? Dampier over an ALL-TIME great?

Dmagic87
01-11-2010, 01:24 AM
Duncan, Lebron, Howard, Garnett, Wade... Followed close by Grant Hill and CP3.

SteveNash
01-11-2010, 02:21 AM
You do know how stupid you sound with that statement? Dampier over an ALL-TIME great?

Do you know how stupid you sound with that statement? AI an ALL-TIME great?

If you're a rebuilding team at least you have a starting Center. If you draft AI it is IMPOSSIBLE to build around him.

If you're a winning team you at least have a quality Center. If you draft AI you can KISS YOUR WINNING WAYS GOODBYE!

pd7631
01-11-2010, 02:31 AM
Do you know how stupid you sound with that statement? AI an ALL-TIME great?

If you're a rebuilding team at least you have a starting Center. If you draft AI it is IMPOSSIBLE to build around him.

If you're a winning team you at least have a quality Center. If you draft AI you can KISS YOUR WINNING WAYS GOODBYE!


don't forget to have your mom strap your helmet on tight before you go to bed tonight...

juggla53
01-11-2010, 02:53 AM
Lebron
ai
hill
kidd
ming
wade
duncan
garnett
paul
melo
durant
brand
bosh
rose
williams
allen
griffen
oden
beasley

Lol at you and to anyone else who picks duncan anything else but second, AI, kidd, yao, hill over duncan?? do you even watch basketball?

juggla53
01-11-2010, 02:56 AM
I asked how he almost won a championship? He wasn't close to a championship unless Kobe and Shaq both died during the Finals.

And I thought AI gave himself the nickname the answer. He should really be named the cancer as he ruins teams not saves them.



Iverson took a stacked defensive team and got brought into the Finals where he got his *** handed to him. AI plays in the West with that team and he NEVER gets passed the first round.

Philadelphia would have been far better off taking Nash, or Allen, Marbury, Dampier, etc.

You had a good argument untill that statement, now you look like an idiot who doesnt know sports.

JordansBulls
01-11-2010, 11:05 AM
Lebron
ai
hill
kidd
ming
wade
duncan
garnett
paul
melo
durant
brand
bosh
rose
williams
allen
griffen
oden
beasley

:speechless:

pebloemer
01-11-2010, 11:21 AM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

Tough to do. If I can draft Grant Hill and make him indestructible, he'd be top 5. Yao would move up a ton too. Hard to compare Griffin, Beasley, Rose etc. with Kidd, Garnett and Grant...but I tried. Probably am favoring longevity over potential.

Nice list. And I think you were right to favour longevity over potential. We know what we've gotten with those players, rather than the unknown.

WadeCounty
01-11-2010, 11:47 AM
Last 15 years (top 5 picks) of great players (What order do you draft them) ....


Imagine each of these players in the same draft class and the same age.

The players are guys who were top 5 picks within the last 15 years.


Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick

Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick

Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick

Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick

Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick

Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick

Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick

Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick

Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick

Lebron James (2003) #1 pick

Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick

Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick

Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick

Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick

Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick

Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick

Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick

Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick

Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick

Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick


That's 21 players who were top 5 picks in the last 15 years. What order would you select them if in a draft knowing what you know about them?

Who do you select 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc


NOTE: I think this could be sort of interesting.

1. tim duncan
2. lebron james
3. garnett
4. deron williams
5. chris paul
6. Dwyane wade
7. jason kidd
8. Yao ming
9. Carmelo
10-21 i really dont care, I picked low post scorers that aren't injury prone and valuable point guards first seeing as those are the toughest spots to fill in then my homer pick at 6 although I do think he deserves to be at number 6 with the exception of this season

Pierzynski4Prez
01-11-2010, 12:09 PM
don't forget to have your mom strap your helmet on tight before you go to bed tonight...

:clap::clap::laugh::laugh::laugh:

sep11ie
01-11-2010, 12:11 PM
I only opened this cuz I thought, "this has to be a JB thread", and I was right...

SteveNash
01-11-2010, 05:51 PM
don't forget to have your mom strap your helmet on tight before you go to bed tonight...

Your insults are as bad as Allen Iverson.

thesparky33
01-11-2010, 08:00 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

nipo10847
01-11-2010, 08:32 PM
Do you know how stupid you sound with that statement? AI an ALL-TIME great?
If you're a rebuilding team at least you have a starting Center. If you draft AI it is IMPOSSIBLE to build around him.

If you're a winning team you at least have a quality Center. If you draft AI you can KISS YOUR WINNING WAYS GOODBYE!

Dude, if that was a question, then NO offense but I have to say this is stupidity at it's best.

_KB24_
01-11-2010, 08:52 PM
Do you know how stupid you sound with that statement? AI an ALL-TIME great?

If you're a rebuilding team at least you have a starting Center. If you draft AI it is IMPOSSIBLE to build around him.

If you're a winning team you at least have a quality Center. If you draft AI you can KISS YOUR WINNING WAYS GOODBYE!

Are you even for real? We're talking about the god damn greatest pound-for-pound scorer in the history of basketball? I would not even hesitate to select the guy in a pool of great players.

Sox72
01-11-2010, 08:55 PM
Your insults are as bad as Allen Iverson.

I thought it was great.

traviscutler
01-11-2010, 09:14 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick

RadiantShot
01-11-2010, 09:46 PM
Do you know how stupid you sound with that statement? AI an ALL-TIME great?

If you're a rebuilding team at least you have a starting Center. If you draft AI it is IMPOSSIBLE to build around him.

If you're a winning team you at least have a quality Center. If you draft AI you can KISS YOUR WINNING WAYS GOODBYE!

You do know that the Point guard is the general of the floor, and controls everything that goes on, correct?

RadiantShot
01-11-2010, 09:50 PM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick


Dwight Howard...Behind all of those guys...Beyond Dwyane Wade...No.

SteveNash
01-12-2010, 03:21 AM
Are you even for real? We're talking about the god damn greatest pound-for-pound scorer in the history of basketball? I would not even hesitate to select the guy in a pool of great players.

Why do you we have to make concessions because he's small?

Stan Miasek is the greatest 6-5 center. Whoop dee ****. Allen Iverson should have stopped scoring and started distributing. No one should reward someone for chucking shots his entire career because he was so selfish.


You do know that the Point guard is the general of the floor, and controls everything that goes on, correct?

You do know that Iverson isn't a PG right?

lakerfan 4 life
01-12-2010, 03:48 AM
everybody keeps saying this... would you say that melo, kmart, camby, jr and nene aint good when ai was there. that "awful" 2001 sixers is the best team fitted for iverson. i dont think a stacked phoenix team would go far if they replaced nash with iverson.
First off AI carried the sixers to the finals they got killed but AI took them there. 2nd the team was horrible, the sixers lost because of the rest of the team AI did great. 3rd that nuggets squad was no match against any of the other teams that were great at that time and lastly if AI was on a stacked suns team he would definitely have at least one ring.

jrice9
01-12-2010, 08:44 AM
Why do you we have to make concessions because he's small?

Stan Miasek is the greatest 6-5 center. Whoop dee ****. Allen Iverson should have stopped scoring and started distributing. No one should reward someone for chucking shots his entire career because he was so selfish.



You do know that Iverson isn't a PG right?

My question to you is how is Iverson impossible to build around when he lead a team to the finals and Nash is easy while he has not?


I love Nash and I think hes a great player and maybe better than Iverson but your point that Iverson is only a cancer is a fallable one considering the finals appearance something some stars have never achieved

MR.TRIPDUB
01-12-2010, 09:32 AM
First off AI carried the sixers to the finals they got killed but AI took them there. 2nd the team was horrible, the sixers lost because of the rest of the team AI did great. 3rd that nuggets squad was no match against any of the other teams that were great at that time and lastly if AI was on a stacked suns team he would definitely have at least one ring.

first, do you really think that without mutombo (dpoy), snow, lynch, mckie(6th man oy) and larry brown (coy) that team would reach the finals. 2nd that team was built to be a defensive team, a great one at that, which is what champion teams are made of. so frankly, in a lesser extent it was the team that carried ai to the finals. 3rd, you basically said that ai is not winning because he doesnt have enough supporting cast so there you go. and lastly im sure those stacked phoenix team would gladly give their shots to iverson to win:rolleyes:

look all i'm saying is that sixers team is a good enough TEAM and not all iverson. hes a big part of it definitely but not as much as most think.

SteveNash
01-12-2010, 06:33 PM
First off AI carried the sixers to the finals they got killed but AI took them there. 2nd the team was horrible, the sixers lost because of the rest of the team AI did great. 3rd that nuggets squad was no match against any of the other teams that were great at that time and lastly if AI was on a stacked suns team he would definitely have at least one ring.

AI's team carried AI more than he carried them. He had an elite defensive team to cover all his flaws.

AI played great in the Finals if you only look at his points. He was his normal inefficient self chucking up shot after shot to get those point totals.

Nuggets squad had elite talent that AI failed to utilize properly which is why Billups was a success and why AI was such a failure.

Considering AI is worse than Marbury and Marbury led the Suns to a terrible record until the Steve Nash came in, it's probably that the stacked Suns team wouldn't even make the playoffs.


My question to you is how is Iverson impossible to build around when he lead a team to the finals and Nash is easy while he has not?


I love Nash and I think hes a great player and maybe better than Iverson but your point that Iverson is only a cancer is a fallable one considering the finals appearance something some stars have never achieved

Because it's 2010 and Nash fans don't have to keep bringing up one playoff run that happened in 2001

thesparky33
01-13-2010, 02:27 AM
Dwight Howard...Behind all of those guys...Beyond Dwyane Wade...No.
I know many will disagree with me, but I dont consider Dwight an elite player like most here do.

He's extremely talented, and one of the best big men in the league, but offensively, he's still raw, and after being in the league for over 5 seasons, that's a little concerning... especially if you want to rank his career (so far and potential future) ahead of guys like Ray Allen and Vince Carter. I ranked Durant over him because I think his ceiling is alot higher.

JordansBulls
01-13-2010, 09:04 AM
Why do you we have to make concessions because he's small?

Stan Miasek is the greatest 6-5 center. Whoop dee ****. Allen Iverson should have stopped scoring and started distributing. No one should reward someone for chucking shots his entire career because he was so selfish.




Who was he going to distribute to?

SteveNash
01-13-2010, 04:38 PM
Who was he going to distribute to?

Any one of the numerous talents he had surrounding him in Philadelphia, Denver, Detroit, and Memphis.

Like Iverson shouldn't be rewarded just because he's small. He shouldn't be rewarded for hogging the ball taking nearly 1/3 of his teams shots while hogging the ball most of the time. Hardly anyone could be successful with Iverson.

JordansBulls
01-13-2010, 05:37 PM
Any one of the numerous talents he had surrounding him in Philadelphia, Denver, Detroit, and Memphis.

Like Iverson shouldn't be rewarded just because he's small. He shouldn't be rewarded for hogging the ball taking nearly 1/3 of his teams shots while hogging the ball most of the time. Hardly anyone could be successful with Iverson.

Phili he didn't have anyone but Eric Snow.

SteveNash
01-13-2010, 06:45 PM
Phili he didn't have anyone but Eric Snow.

Philadelphia:
Stackhouse who scored nearly 30 PPG in a season after leaving Iverson.
Coleman a 20/10 guy before he came to Philadelphia.
Weatherspoon decent 15 PPG+ scorer until Iverson arrived.
Joe Smith 19 PPG scorer in Golden State.
Jim Jackson 25 PPG scorer in Dallas.
Larry Hughes scored 22 PPG after being traded from Philadelphia to Golden State.
Kukoc 18 PPG in Chicago before being traded to Philly.
Harpring scored 18 PPG after he left Philly for Utah.
Glenn Robinson 21 PPG before he got traded to Philly.
Kyle Korver scored 14PPG the season AI left.
Iguodala scored nearly 20PPG after AI left.
Chris Webber 20/10.
Eric Snow elite defender who covered all of AI's mistakes.

GREATNESS ONE
01-13-2010, 07:21 PM
1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. LBJ
4. Howard
5. Kidd
6. Dwade
7. AI
8. Cp3
9. Melo
10. Hill
11. Yao
12. Durant
13. Carter
14. Bosh
15. D Will
16. Allen
17. Brand
18. Rose
19. Beasley
20. Griffin
21. Oden

There is your list.

C_A_S_H
01-14-2010, 03:08 AM
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick

JordansBulls
01-14-2010, 08:21 AM
Philadelphia:
Stackhouse who scored nearly 30 PPG in a season after leaving Iverson.
Coleman a 20/10 guy before he came to Philadelphia.
Weatherspoon decent 15 PPG+ scorer until Iverson arrived.
Joe Smith 19 PPG scorer in Golden State.
Jim Jackson 25 PPG scorer in Dallas.
Larry Hughes scored 22 PPG after being traded from Philadelphia to Golden State.
Kukoc 18 PPG in Chicago before being traded to Philly.
Harpring scored 18 PPG after he left Philly for Utah.
Glenn Robinson 21 PPG before he got traded to Philly.
Kyle Korver scored 14PPG the season AI left.
Iguodala scored nearly 20PPG after AI left.
Chris Webber 20/10.
Eric Snow elite defender who covered all of AI's mistakes.

You are talking about the 1998 team?

Coleman and Stackhouse averaged 16 and 18 ppg.

uprightciti
01-14-2010, 09:43 AM
Lebron
Duncan
Wade
Anthony
Durant

JJ_JKidd
01-14-2010, 12:38 PM
Kidd
Wade
LBJ
Duncan
Dawayyyttt

SteveNash
01-14-2010, 04:04 PM
You are talking about the 1998 team?

Coleman and Stackhouse averaged 16 and 18 ppg.

I was talking about AI's entire career in Philadelphia (minus this season).

What did Iverson do with Stack and Coleman? Went nowhere. Since Philadelphia decided to build around Iverson (which was a mistake) they knew they had to build a defensive team around him.

It's a shame people want to bash excellent defenders in Snow, McKie, Hill, and Deke just because they didn't put up huge offensive numbers. They're the ones that got a selfish AI to the Finals and they're the ones that deserve the credit, not AI.

LionBryan
01-14-2010, 04:26 PM
I'm going to go ahead and assume that most of you are too young to know just how good Grant Hill was for a stretch of time when he first hit the NBA.

tredigs
01-14-2010, 04:50 PM
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick [Depending on team needs vs. Duncan]

Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick

Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick [I think will go down as an all time great when its all said and done]

Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick [I think will go down as a top 3 best PG ever when it's all said and done]

Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick

Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick [Why injuries, WHYYYY! Still AMAZING in his prime]

Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick

Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick

Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick [Very few have ever controlled a game as well]

Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick

Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick [if he improves offensively his stock grows through the roof]

Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick

Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick

Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick

Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick

Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick

Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick

Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick

Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick [Could easily end up 5 or 6 higher on this list, he's a phenom with huge heart I suspect big things out of him]

Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick [Sorry gentle giant 2 years in a row lands you here]


---That list is disgusting though, I'd be real curious to check back at this post in 10 years.

JordansBulls
01-14-2010, 08:57 PM
I was talking about AI's entire career in Philadelphia (minus this season).

What did Iverson do with Stack and Coleman? Went nowhere. Since Philadelphia decided to build around Iverson (which was a mistake) they knew they had to build a defensive team around him.

It's a shame people want to bash excellent defenders in Snow, McKie, Hill, and Deke just because they didn't put up huge offensive numbers. They're the ones that got a selfish AI to the Finals and they're the ones that deserve the credit, not AI.

Just curious!! Do you like Iverson at all? I've never seen you give him a compliment.

SteveNash
01-14-2010, 09:01 PM
Just curious!! Do you like Iverson at all? I've never seen you give him a compliment.

What should I compliment him about? I guess he improved his jump shot throughout his career which is better than some players.

thesparky33
01-14-2010, 11:05 PM
I'm going to go ahead and assume that most of you are too young to know just how good Grant Hill was for a stretch of time when he first hit the NBA.
I know how great Grant Hill was. I put him so low because my interpretation of the question was to do this with what we know now, and we know now that he was and would be injured more than not throughout his prime, so why would you take him over others who are almost just as good but are healthy?

Just curious!! Do you like Iverson at all? I've never seen you give him a compliment.
Dont know why he'd like Iverson. Not like he was one of the faces of the NBA for an entire decade, or was one of the most marketable athletes of his time... not like he did so much for giving the league exposure and new fans.

Oh, and not like he was any good either... :p

JordansBulls
01-15-2010, 10:00 AM
What should I compliment him about? I guess he improved his jump shot throughout his career which is better than some players.

One of the best players around. Top 30 all time. Won League MVP, 4 scoring titles, #1 pick, most 50+ point games in the playoffs among active players.

SteveNash
01-16-2010, 01:40 AM
One of the best players around. Top 30 all time. Won League MVP, 4 scoring titles, #1 pick, most 50+ point games in the playoffs among active players.

One of the best players around:
Well depends on how broad you're taking it, certainly he's one of the best if you're including anyone whose ever played organized basketball. In the NBA as a top 30? Definitely not.

Won MVP but didn't deserve it, Shaq did.

#1 pick, Kwame was a first pick too.

May lead active players in 50 point games in the playoffs, but their is more to basketball than scoring. Iverson shoots 40% for his career during the playoffs all while taking more shot attempts a game than anyone else in NBA history.

IversonIsKrazy
01-16-2010, 01:42 AM
It would take too long to write all that out, so i'll give my top 2.

1 - Duncan at 1st
2 - Wade at 5th

JordansBulls
01-18-2010, 09:15 PM
One of the best players around:
Well depends on how broad you're taking it, certainly he's one of the best if you're including anyone whose ever played organized basketball. In the NBA as a top 30? Definitely not.

Won MVP but didn't deserve it, Shaq did.

#1 pick, Kwame was a first pick too.

May lead active players in 50 point games in the playoffs, but their is more to basketball than scoring. Iverson shoots 40% for his career during the playoffs all while taking more shot attempts a game than anyone else in NBA history.

I never said Iverson was efficient by any means. Just said he has the most active 50+ point games in the playoffs.

ChiSox219
01-18-2010, 09:34 PM
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick
Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick
Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick
Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick
Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick
Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick
Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick
Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick
Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick
Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick
Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick
Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick
Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick
Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick
Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick
Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick
Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick
Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick
Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick
Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick
Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

I don't really have an exact explanation, I did a mix of what these guys have accomplished, what they did at their absolute peak, the potential peak of younger guys, and sorta took into account injury and attitude.

Durant, Oden, and Rose should all move up that list in time.

Grant Hill was the hardest for me to place, he was such a great player but I had to factor in his injury history because he only had 6 years before never being quite the same guy again.

It was also hard to place VC, at his peak he was one of best players in the game. But since he's sorta just drifted and wasted his talent, damn shame he could've been better than Kobe.

Mavrix
01-18-2010, 09:43 PM
Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Jason Kidd
Dwayne Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Yao Ming
Kevin Durant
Ray Allen
Carmelo Anthony
Deron Williams
Allen Iverson
Chris Bosh
Vince Carter
Grant Hill
Derrick Rose
Greg Oden
Michael Beasley
Blake Griffin

Vinny642
01-18-2010, 10:42 PM
Lebron James (2003) #1 pick [Depending on team needs vs. Duncan]

Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick

Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick [I think will go down as an all time great when its all said and done]

Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick [I think will go down as a top 3 best PG ever when it's all said and done]

Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick

Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick [Why injuries, WHYYYY! Still AMAZING in his prime]

Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick

Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick

Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick [Very few have ever controlled a game as well]

Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick

Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick [if he improves offensively his stock grows through the roof]

Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick

Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick

Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick

Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick

Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick

Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick

Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick

Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick [Could easily end up 5 or 6 higher on this list, he's a phenom with huge heart I suspect big things out of him]

Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick

Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick [Sorry gentle giant 2 years in a row lands you here]


---That list is disgusting though, I'd be real curious to check back at this post in 10 years.

You know your my dude right, I am nominating that part in bold for Post of the year!

Vinny642
01-18-2010, 10:43 PM
If you have people like Grant Hill and Carter over Paul, I wanna know why?

SteveNash
01-18-2010, 11:21 PM
I never said Iverson was efficient by any means. Just said he has the most active 50+ point games in the playoffs.

Right, but the more shots you take the more likely you are to put up 50 points in a game.


If you have people like Grant Hill and Carter over Paul, I wanna know why?

Because they're injury prone.

JLynn943
01-19-2010, 12:46 AM
eventually the rest of PSD will learn to ignore SteveNash when he rants about Iverson



anyway:

Tim Duncan (1997) #1 pick

Kevin Garnett (1995) #5 pick

Jason Kidd (1994) #2 pick

Lebron James (2003) #1 pick

Allen Iverson (1996) #1 pick

Grant Hill (1994) #3 pick

Yao Ming (2002) #1 pick

Carmelo Anthony (2003) #3 pick

Chris Paul (2005) #4 pick

Dwight Howard (2004) #1 pick

Deron Williams (2005) #3 pick

Dwyane Wade (2003) #5 pick

Chris Bosh (2003) #4 pick

Ray Allen (1996) # 5 pick

Kevin Durant (2007) #2 pick

Vince Carter (1998) #5 pick

Derrick Rose (2008) #1 pick

Greg Oden (2007) #1 pick

Elton Brand (1999) #1 pick

Blake Griffin (2009) #1 Pick

Michael Beasley (2008) #2 pick