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JordansBulls
01-06-2010, 09:36 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

Baller1
01-06-2010, 09:38 PM
1. Lebron
2. Bryant
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Melo
6. Pierce
7. Nash
8. Durant
9. Roy
10. D-Williams

Notable omissions: CP3, Gasol, Dirk, Deron

Chronz
01-06-2010, 09:43 PM
Duncan is arguably having his greatest season yet and hes ranked 8th? BS

Competition
01-06-2010, 09:45 PM
That's a terrible list, only the top 4 players they got right, no dirk or cp3 is a joke though.

JJ_JKidd
01-06-2010, 09:50 PM
Whats up with these MFin player rankings???? My GOD Lakers repeat its as simple as that. Kobe ranked 999th best in the NBA I couldnt care less bec the Lakers repeat!!!!!!!!!!

DCB/LAL
01-06-2010, 09:51 PM
1. Lebron
2. Bryant
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Melo
6. Pierce
7. Nash
8. CP3
9. Durant
10. Roy

Notable omissions: CP3, Gasol, Dirk, Deron

Huh?

_KB24_
01-06-2010, 09:52 PM
Duncan is arguably having his greatest season yet and hes ranked 8th? BS

His numbers may be impressive given his age and how long he has played, but I don't even have him in my Top 10 to be honest. Dirk should be here over him .

Spurred1
01-06-2010, 09:52 PM
Sort of a flawed list, but those lists are like *******s-everyone's got one. Why do people get so worked up over these? Often one person's opinion..which will of course change over time with regards to some of those players.

nvm-Just saw that it was written by Charley Rosen. That explains a lot.

Shady66
01-06-2010, 09:55 PM
Why post these lists? Everyones got an opinion, but why the need to continue to post threads about what a person thinks whos the top 10?

Chronz
01-06-2010, 09:59 PM
His numbers may be impressive given his age and how long he has played, but I don't even have him in my Top 10 to be honest. Dirk should be here over him .
Thats where your wrong, his #'s are impressive given his efficiency(not age), hes never been this efficient offensively. He may not be the same defensive force he used to be, but what do you make of this peaking late in his career.

Vinny642
01-06-2010, 10:00 PM
This is why FOX sucks, ignorant editors.

ko8e24
01-06-2010, 10:02 PM
no kobe is better. another fan says: no lebron is better

rant rant rant


now, this has officially become another kobe vs lebron thread :D

ur welcome



lol

Lakerfrk
01-06-2010, 10:06 PM
As much as I love Gasol.. he doesn't really belong there.... nor does Pierce belong that high...

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Anthony
6. Nowitzki
7. Paul
8. Nash
9. Durant
10. D. Williams

my omissions - Duncan, Garnett, Gasol, Roy, Pierce

kingofdaburbs19
01-06-2010, 10:16 PM
Brandon roy is a top 5 player in the league!!!!!!!

kswissdaf
01-06-2010, 10:18 PM
1.Kobe
2.Bron
3.Wade
4.Howard
5.Melo
6.Cp3
7.D Williams
8.Dirk
9.Durant
10.Roy

BradyIsTheMan12
01-06-2010, 10:19 PM
I don't get how Durant is on the list of top ten, hasn't made the playoffs yet and that has to mean something

BkOriginalOne
01-06-2010, 10:25 PM
I agree with the top 4.
Pierce at 5 is a question mark.
IMO He's always been in the top 10, the most underrated player in the league for years (that honor has been given to Joe Johnson year) for his total completeness.
But still, a league where Pierce is top 5 doesn't sound too competitive.

Lakersfan2483
01-06-2010, 10:41 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

I disagree with their list. Here is a list of my top 10:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. D. Wade
4. D. Howard
5. C. Paul
6. T. Duncan
7. D. Nowitzki
8. C. Anthony
9. K. Garnett
10. D. Williams

BlueJayFanDan
01-06-2010, 10:52 PM
After the top 4 the list is just a trainwreck. Anyone who puts Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, and Paul Pierce ahead of Dirk and Cp3 is an idiot. Also Duncan needs to be higher then 8th. I would move Nash down maybe 2 or 3 spots.

Vinny642
01-06-2010, 10:57 PM
My List-
Kobe
Lebron
Wade
Paul/Dwight
Dwight/Paul
Carmelo
Dirk
Tim Duncan
Deron
Roy/Durant/KG

No way in hell is Pierce to 5.

ko8e24
01-06-2010, 10:58 PM
I don't get how Durant is on the list of top ten, hasn't made the playoffs yet and that has to mean something

lol, he's only played 2 yrs on a "rebuilding team", calm down

u can't use that excuse for what he's doing this yr. he is vastly improving and in a very short time, will become top 5 in the league to join kobe, bron, wade and melo in the discussion

THE MTL
01-06-2010, 11:01 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

When Chris Paul and Dirk arent in the top then you lose all creditability. Gasol cant lead no NBA team. He tried and FAILED with Memphis. Dirk is EVERYTHING better than Gasol. Pierce is good, but he is no longer a Top 5 player in the league.

amos1er
01-06-2010, 11:15 PM
At least some members of the media can be honest about Kobe's dominance as the best player on earth. Unlike some other haters out there...(cough cough) John Hollinger (cough cough) NBA.com (cough cough) ESPN (cough cough) David Stern (cough cough) Nike (cough cough) Gatorade (cough cough) anyone with a vested interest in Lebronze or who hates the Lakers.

Hellcrooner
01-07-2010, 12:15 AM
uh this is ridiculoous.

one thing is that i think Gasol is better than Dirk

but taing Dirk outside the top ten is B:S compeltely

Lets fix it.


1 Lebron

2 KObe

3 Wade

4 Cp3

5 Duncan

6 Gasol

7 Dirk

8 Roy

9 Melo

10 Howard


i snub Deron and durant and sure as hell Nash, Pierce have nothing to do in this list ty are worn out

Hellcrooner
01-07-2010, 12:19 AM
When Chris Paul and Dirk arent in the top then you lose all creditability. Gasol cant lead no NBA team. He tried and FAILED with Memphis. Dirk is EVERYTHING better than Gasol. Pierce is good, but he is no longer a Top 5 player in the league.


Jumper: Dirk

Inside scoring: Pau

Feet moves : Pau

Thee point shot : Dirk

Ft: Dirk

back to the baskt game : Pau

Strenght: Pau

Athleticism: ...... well they both suck at it but Pau a bit better.

Offensie reboudning : Pau

Deffensive reboudning : Pau

Blocking : Pau

Passing: Pau

Iq: Pau

Court Vision : Pau

Handling : Pau

DEFENSE: Pau

blastmasta26
01-07-2010, 12:23 AM
At least some members of the media can be honest about Kobe's dominance as the best player on earth. Unlike some other haters out there...(cough cough) John Hollinger (cough cough) NBA.com (cough cough) ESPN (cough cough) David Stern (cough cough) Nike (cough cough) Gatorade (cough cough) anyone with a vested interest in Lebronze or who hates the Lakers.
I think you need some cough drops.

b_rad23
01-07-2010, 12:24 AM
:facepalm:

Where's Danilo Galinari????

thedfactor
01-07-2010, 12:27 AM
at least replace Gasol and Pierce with Dirk and CP3 thats easy

bchissie
01-07-2010, 12:35 AM
This guy has Pierce soo overrated! He's not a top 10 player

sixer04fan
01-07-2010, 12:40 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

I really disagree with Pierce and Gasol being on the list.. Besides that it's a good list I think Dirk absolutely deserves to be on the list however.

acehole
01-07-2010, 01:06 AM
Why post these lists? Everyones got an opinion, but why the need to continue to post threads about what a person thinks whos the top 10?

thats pretty much what JB does..post pointless articles about pointless things so that people can have pointless discussions about it.

Cowboys123456
01-07-2010, 01:31 AM
How is bosh not on anyones list???? He is 7-10 for sure. He is only the NBA leader in double doubles and finally playing like a stud

Corey
01-07-2010, 11:32 AM
1.Kobe
2.Bron
3.Wade
4.Howard
5.Melo
6.Cp3
7.D Williams
8.Dirk
9.Durant
10.Roy

Players like Durant and Roy are too one-skilled to be that high in my opinion. They are both prolific scorers, but what else do they excel at?


How is bosh not on anyones list???? He is 7-10 for sure. He is only the NBA leader in double doubles and finally playing like a stud
Bosh is playing well, but I still think he is overrated by a lot of people. His defense against skilled bigs is still below average. He's averaging a double double, but who else is going to rebound on that team? Who else is a consistent scorer?

Don't get me wrong, I definitely think he's top 20 (or top 15), but I don't think he's in the 7-10 range yet.

Kobes a Killer
01-07-2010, 11:42 AM
Chris Bosh is FOR SURE A TOP 10 PLAYER 8th in the L in scoring...23.6 PPG 5th in the L in Rebounding...11.3 RPG he'll block a shot or two for you per game, he's a great inside outside player... the reason hes in my top ten is because hes not just a scorer or just a rebounder he does both and he does both every night the only reason i dont have him as the best PF in the league is because hes not as clutch at Dirk

Kobes a Killer
01-07-2010, 11:46 AM
My top ten

1)Kobe
2)LeBron
3)Wade
4)Melo
5)CP3
6)Dirk
7)Howard
8)Bosh
9)Durant
10)Roy

Cowboys123456
01-07-2010, 11:48 AM
1.Kobe
2.Bron
3.Wade
4.Howard
5.Melo
6.Cp3
7.Dirk
8.Nash
9.Bosh
10.Roy

Raph12
01-07-2010, 03:01 PM
My Top 10 for This Season:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Dwight Howard
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Chris Paul
9. Steve Nash
10. Brandon Roy

JayW_1023
01-07-2010, 07:27 PM
I love Gasol but he (still) ain't better than Duncan.

masalex1205
01-07-2010, 07:33 PM
Duncan continues to be underrated

Vinny642
01-07-2010, 07:36 PM
thats pretty much what JB does..post pointless articles about pointless things so that people can have pointless discussions about it.

I dont see u contributing to this site in any way, shape or form. Calm yourself and make "productive" and discussion worthy threads.

theuuord
01-07-2010, 07:43 PM
Players like Durant and Roy are too one-skilled to be that high in my opinion. They are both prolific scorers, but what else do they excel at?

uhhh...what doesn't Roy excel at? He's a great passer, great facilitator, above average rebounder for a guard, great perimeter defender, rarely turns the ball over, scores efficiently from anywhere on the basketball court, finishes at the basket, knocks down his free throws, pretty much has no weaknesses in any shooting zone (he's shooting at least 35% from every zone except the left wing 3, and last year he shot 43% from that spot), handles a massive offensive load on his team, volunteers for the local fire department, and reads to blind kids on weekends. (Okay, I made those last two up, but you believed me for a second, didn't you?)

Roy is definitely a top-10 player in the NBA.

smith&wesson
01-07-2010, 08:01 PM
Kobe
lebron
wade
melo
dirk
d howard
nash
dwill
cp3
roy


durant,bosh, duncan, granger,

flea
01-07-2010, 08:53 PM
How are people leaving Duncan off of their top 10? He's having a career year in a career that dwarfs everyone else playing in the NBA right now except Kobe and Shaq.

My 1 and 2 are Kobe and Duncan in any order. The rest are still scrambling.

RadiantShot
01-07-2010, 08:59 PM
Not sure about Deron being in the top 10...But I would most definately put him in the top 12-15.

RadiantShot
01-07-2010, 09:00 PM
My Top 10 for This Season:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Tim Duncan
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Dwight Howard
6. Carmelo Anthony
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Chris Paul
9. Steve Nash
10. Brandon Roy

This man knows.

Are they in order though? I might rank Carmelo a bit higher, but that's just me!

Mavrix
01-07-2010, 09:22 PM
I love Gasol but he (still) ain't better than Duncan.

or Dirk

Mavrix
01-07-2010, 09:22 PM
or Dirk

or Bosh

Chronz
01-07-2010, 09:30 PM
or Bosh

Defense matters bro, and hes a better passer

ProdigyI
01-07-2010, 10:10 PM
haha wow chris paul not top 10.

yea right.

fox is a joke like always

Voodoo Alchemy
01-07-2010, 10:57 PM
Sort of a flawed list, but those lists are like *******s-everyone's got one. Why do people get so worked up over these? Often one person's opinion..which will of course change over time with regards to some of those players.

nvm-Just saw that it was written by Charley Rosen. That explains a lot.

and it stinks!!!

op12
01-08-2010, 12:26 AM
This man knows.

Are they in order though? I might rank Carmelo a bit higher, but that's just me!

i dont really get the melo love. he is a great player but not really top 10. to have him above wade on the list your praised is just crazy to me. he can score but had little success without billups and still hasnt done much yet. i would put pierce, kg or deron in there over melo.

but in the original list, cp and dirk most def deserve to be there. not sure durant and melo are there yet and gasol just isnt, although i think he is a great player, not top 10. take those 3 out and add cp, dirk, and roy. depending on how kg comes back he is still in the discussion along with bosh.

Raph12
01-08-2010, 12:55 AM
i dont really get the melo love. he is a great player but not really top 10. to have him above wade on the list your praised is just crazy to me. he can score but had little success without billups and still hasnt done much yet. i would put pierce, kg or deron in there over melo.

but in the original list, cp and dirk most def deserve to be there. not sure durant and melo are there yet and gasol just isnt, although i think he is a great player, not top 10. take those 3 out and add cp, dirk, and roy. depending on how kg comes back he is still in the discussion along with bosh.

Wade has had little success without Shaq and still hasn't done much yet.

bowieinspace
01-08-2010, 01:02 AM
pierce? really?

dominater6192
01-08-2010, 01:26 AM
pierce? really?

Yeah honestly I do'nt think Pierce should be in top 10 at all let alone 5th. His two best seasons were in 05 ( 25.0PPG 5.9RPG 4.1 APG) and 06(26.8 PPG 6.7RPG 4.7 APG), and even with those fanastic numbers the Celtics were terrible, ( 33-49 in 05, 24-58 in 06). He is a good scorer but can't carry a team like a Wade or Melo. That's why his teams did'nt have success until they added KG and Ray Allen. And now he is older and less explosive he can't score the way he could back in 05 and 06 but having Allen and KG cover up his declining game. I do'nt mean to bash Pierce I think he is a top 15 or at least top 20 player but he has no right on this list, personally I do'nt even see him as best player on Celtics.

skinsfan4life80
01-08-2010, 04:53 AM
Funny Gasol becomes a Laker and all of a sudden he is a top 10 player. But when he had his own team he couldnt even get mentioned in the top 20..guess he magically got better. Funny how overrated this dude became over night. I have never seen a guy gone from underrated to overrated so fast.

Chi City23
01-08-2010, 10:13 AM
Wade has had little success without Shaq and still hasn't done much yet.

Did you seen the collection of players he took to the playoffs as the 5th seed last year?? To say he hasn't done much is just ignorant and I'm not even a Heat fan. I will say he's not having his best year but he's still in the top 10.

ChongInc.
01-08-2010, 10:37 AM
Oh... My... Bosh!

Tmac,lt,berkman
01-08-2010, 10:38 AM
Did you seen the collection of players he took to the playoffs as the 5th seed last year?? To say he hasn't done much is just ignorant and I'm not even a Heat fan. I will say he's not having his best year but he's still in the top 10.

yepp dwayne wade to me is the second best player in the league he just hasnt had the teams kobe and lebron had had D-Wade carried shaq and others to the playoffs and championships he is top 3 player

ChongInc.
01-08-2010, 10:40 AM
Yeah honestly I do'nt think Pierce should be in top 10 at all let alone 5th. His two best seasons were in 05 ( 25.0PPG 5.9RPG 4.1 APG) and 06(26.8 PPG 6.7RPG 4.7 APG), and even with those fanastic numbers the Celtics were terrible, ( 33-49 in 05, 24-58 in 06). He is a good scorer but can't carry a team like a Wade or Melo. That's why his teams did'nt have success until they added KG and Ray Allen. And now he is older and less explosive he can't score the way he could back in 05 and 06 but having Allen and KG cover up his declining game. I do'nt mean to bash Pierce I think he is a top 15 or at least top 20 player but he has no right on this list, personally I do'nt even see him as best player on Celtics.

I think pierce is very melo-esk

JasonJohnHorn
01-08-2010, 11:09 AM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron
Did an 8th grader make this list/ Durant makes the top ten and Dirk, Garnett and Shaqw don't? And Duncan, the only guy on the list to play for a legit title contender every season in the past decade is 8th? Behind Gasol? And Melo? And Wade? I could understand potentially putting James or Bryant ahead of Duncan, but those are the only two players you could make a case for. And Shaq was easily the best center in the league for the first 5 or 6 seasons of the decade and won 4 rings in the past ten years. Durant? Really? He's good, but he's just getting started! He hasn't even been in the playoffs once! Over Garnett! And Shaq! WTF?!?!?!?!!!?

cheetos185
01-08-2010, 11:43 AM
1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Duncan
5. Dirk
6. Howard
7. Melo
8. Cp3
9. Pierce
10. Roy

Dee_Edge
01-08-2010, 11:58 AM
...a bit more realistic for me.

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Dirk (but personally I like Paul Pierce here...but this is more correct)
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Howard
9. Durant
10. CP3

AIMelo=KillaDUO
01-08-2010, 12:18 PM
Kobe
Melo
LeBron
Wade
Howard
Durant
Nash
CP3
DWill
Dirk

eugene
01-08-2010, 12:43 PM
one of the ugliest TOP10 versions

Chi City23
01-08-2010, 12:48 PM
...a bit more realistic for me.

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Howard
9. Durant
10. CP3

How can you have Pierce as #5 and not even mention Duncan?

nipo10847
01-08-2010, 12:48 PM
pierce, gasol are top ten and CP3, Dirk, and Roy are not??? There goes your credibility. Lame list.

nipo10847
01-08-2010, 12:59 PM
Wade has had little success without Shaq and still hasn't done much yet.

And Wade has had some of the worst teams in the league and yet reached playoffs 2 out of three times (an injured wade), why dont you say that?? what the **** kobe did before gasol's arrival except being a ballhog? ohh wait a min! are you not the one who roots for top five teams in the league. Nice, I am assuming Heat will be in ur list too next year if they make good moves. Welcome to championship bandwagon after every year's nba final. You will always be a champion bro!

G-Funk
01-08-2010, 01:01 PM
And Wade has had some of the worst teams in the league and yet reached playoffs 2 out of three times (an injured wade), why dont you say that??

Yeah in the Sorry *** East

nipo10847
01-08-2010, 01:04 PM
Yeah in the Sorry *** East

I am assuming you are hurt by the fact that is stated in the next sentence. Face the fact bro.

G-Funk
01-08-2010, 01:19 PM
My Top 10 for This Season:

1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Tim Duncan
5. Carmelo Anthony
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Dwight Howard
8. Chris Paul
9. Kevin Garnett
10. Steve Nash

mikantsass
01-08-2010, 01:33 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

Pierce a little too high at 5 and there is no way Gasol is in there. Dirk over Gasol but other than that I like the players included.

G-Funk
01-08-2010, 01:46 PM
I am assuming you are hurt by the fact that is stated in the next sentence. Face the fact bro.

Let me hit you with tha high facts




In 06-07 Heat were ranked 4th with a record of 44-38. That same year Lakers were 42 -40 ranked 7th in a much tougher Conference, If the Heat were in the West that year they wouldn't even smell the playoffs.
__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

In 07-08 Heat were a Joke, Yes Wade was injured but he also tanked it.

__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

In 08-09 Season the Heat were ranked 4th in the playoff standings with a record of 43-39. They were 19 games behind the first seed Pistons. That same year Suns Didn't make the playoffs and they had a better record 46-36. Again in a conference where it's much tougher to rack up wins.

__________________________________________________ ______________________________________________


This year is no different Heat are 5th in the East with a loucy record 17-16

9. Utah 19 16
10. Hornets 17 16
11. Grizzlies 17 17
12. Clippers 16-18


All these teams would be ahead of the Heat if they played in the Sorry *** East. Heat wouln't even make the playoffs.

fresh prince
01-08-2010, 02:31 PM
uhhh...what doesn't Roy excel at? He's a great passer, great facilitator, above average rebounder for a guard, great perimeter defender, rarely turns the ball over, scores efficiently from anywhere on the basketball court, finishes at the basket, knocks down his free throws, pretty much has no weaknesses in any shooting zone (he's shooting at least 35% from every zone except the left wing 3, and last year he shot 43% from that spot), handles a massive offensive load on his team, volunteers for the local fire department, and reads to blind kids on weekends. (Okay, I made those last two up, but you believed me for a second, didn't you?)

Roy is definitely a top-10 player in the NBA.

:up:

Raph12
01-08-2010, 02:33 PM
Did you seen the collection of players he took to the playoffs as the 5th seed last year?? To say he hasn't done much is just ignorant and I'm not even a Heat fan. I will say he's not having his best year but he's still in the top 10.

Michael Beasley, Mario Chalmers and now a rejuvenated JO... not that bad IMO.

I have him in my Top 10 as well, just not Top 5.

red-momba
01-08-2010, 03:01 PM
1.kobe bryant
2.dwayne wade
3.lebron james
4.carmelo anthony
5.stat(amare)
6.howard
7.d-will
8.KD
9.b-roy
10.timmy D

every one has there own opinions after the first three.....

Jahari Kavi
01-08-2010, 03:53 PM
that list is a joke...thanx for the entertainment.

Vinny642
01-08-2010, 05:01 PM
Haha most of these poster's lists are jokes too

JordansBulls
01-08-2010, 07:57 PM
Haha most of these poster's lists are jokes too

:laugh2:

FOBolous
01-08-2010, 08:37 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

when i think of "top 10" players...i think of players i would rather have on the team over another. i would rather have CP3 and Dirk over Pierce, Duncan (at this point of his career), Gasol, and Durant.

Pierce is overrated. He couldn't do squat on the Celtics until KG, Ray Allen, and Rondo came along.

Duncan slowed down A LOT this year. he's not a guarantteed 20/10 player anymore.

Gasol...while a 20/10 player...isn't the franchise player CP3 and Dirk are.

Durant? this kid got to grow a little more because he reaches the elite status CP3 and Dirk have reached.

Toenail Clipper
01-08-2010, 08:45 PM
when i think of "top 10" players...i think of players i would rather have on the team over another. i would rather have CP3 and Dirk over Pierce, Duncan (at this point of his career), Gasol, and Durant.

Pierce is overrated. He couldn't do squat on the Celtics until KG, Ray Allen, and Rondo came along.

Duncan slowed down A LOT this year. he's not a guarantteed 20/10 player anymore.

Gasol...while a 20/10 player...isn't the franchise player CP3 and Dirk are.

Durant? this kid got to grow a little more because he reaches the elite status CP3 and Dirk have reached.

Who's that chick
:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

flea
01-08-2010, 08:53 PM
Duncan slowed down A LOT this year. he's not a guarantteed 20/10 player anymore.
This is simply wrong. Duncan is having a career year on a per-minute basis. Please do research.

FOBolous
01-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Who's that chick
:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

Misa Campo =) she's hot and she's well known but for some reason...there's not too many pictures of her out there. she only did a few photoshoots.

Chronz
01-09-2010, 02:14 AM
when i think of "top 10" players...i think of players i would rather have on the team over another. i would rather have CP3 and Dirk over Pierce, Duncan (at this point of his career), Gasol, and Durant.

Pierce is overrated. He couldn't do squat on the Celtics until KG, Ray Allen, and Rondo came along.

Duncan slowed down A LOT this year. he's not a guarantteed 20/10 player anymore.

Gasol...while a 20/10 player...isn't the franchise player CP3 and Dirk are.

Durant? this kid got to grow a little more because he reaches the elite status CP3 and Dirk have reached.

Duncan is posting the best offensive #'s of his career, how has he slowed down ALOT?

FOBolous
01-09-2010, 02:18 AM
Duncan is posting the best offensive #'s of his career, how has he slowed down ALOT?

guess i was wrong about Duncan. I still rather have CP3 and Dirk right now over him though but that's just me :shrug:

sargon21
01-09-2010, 02:30 AM
pierce, r u kidding?

Raph12
01-09-2010, 03:04 AM
Misa Campo =) she's hot and she's well known but for some reason...there's not too many pictures of her out there. she only did a few photoshoots.

She looks a bit too chubby for my taste, try googling this girl "Jessica AKA Miss Rabbit"

Tell me what you think...

FOBolous
01-09-2010, 03:51 AM
She looks a bit too chubby for my taste, try googling this girl "Jessica AKA Miss Rabbit"

Tell me what you think...

nah. don't like her. i like my girls well-proportioned...i don't like it when one part of their body is too big for their body's frame and Jessica AKA Miss Rabbit butt doesn't match her body soo..:shrug: that's just me though.

look up Leah Dizon...she's perfect :drool: cute face, slender frame, with nicely shaped @$$ and boobs to match

uncleben989
01-09-2010, 03:54 AM
lol honestly, paul pierce? dude couldnt do jack ish before KG and ray allen came to town

heathonater
01-09-2010, 07:04 AM
pierce at number 5!!!!!!!!!!! :facepalm::facepalm: he isnt the best player on his own team. Lmfao.

Young2Kinsler
01-09-2010, 09:49 AM
Any list that doesn't include Dirk might as well be written on toilet paper.

/close thread

BadnewzNiners
01-09-2010, 12:08 PM
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Dwyane Wade
4. Tim Duncan
5. Carmelo Anthony
6. Dirk Nowitzki
7. Dwight Howard
8. Chris Paul
9. Steve Nash
10. Monta Ellis

this season monta ellis has got to be on it

rapswin98
01-09-2010, 02:31 PM
^Kevin Durant > Monte Ellis

rapswin98
01-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Dirk Nowitzki
Steve Nash
Carmelo Anthony
Chris Paul
Dwight Howard
Kevin Durant

Dee_Edge
01-11-2010, 05:48 PM
How can you have Pierce as #5 and not even mention Duncan?

Boston is 26-9 and Pierce is the best player on that team...

I didn't put in Dirk or Tim...because well, I'm from Houston and I find them both overrated and not as good as CP3, Howard, or even Pau Gasol...who in my mind is the most effective power foward in the league.

Tim just looks too old now, he doesn't have the same effect he had in years past.

Paul Pierce still takes over games, Boston would be lost without him.
Dirk, really in all honestly, should be on here...but I just don't like him...but if I did he would be at the 5 spot instead of Pierce...not Tim Duncan.

kArSoN RyDaH
02-08-2010, 08:48 PM
id put melo ahead of wade.

RaptorsFanatic
02-08-2010, 08:50 PM
Pierce is ahead of Durant?

They just lost all credibility there.

philab
02-08-2010, 09:02 PM
I bet FoxSports wishes they could take this one back. It was a horrible list then and another month's time has made it even worse.

goose15
02-08-2010, 09:06 PM
Lebron
Kobe
Wade
Melo
Paul
Dirk
Howard
Durant
D Will
Roy

xxepo
02-08-2010, 09:07 PM
1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Anthony
6. BOSH
7. Paul
8. Nash
9. Durant
10. D. Williams

Baller1
02-08-2010, 09:13 PM
1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Dwight
4. Wade
5. Durant
6. Bosh
7. Melo
8. D. Williams
9. Duncan
10. Nash

UK Ivy
02-08-2010, 09:18 PM
seriously Paul Pierce?

Nighthawk
02-08-2010, 09:21 PM
seriously Paul Pierce?

Pierce only gets respect from the media. I never see ANY analyst bash P. Pierce or say he isnt a top player in this league. Its always the fans. Only fans think this guy isnt anything. Oh well, im glad the Truth was shown respect.

24/7
02-08-2010, 09:23 PM
honestly, if they counted defense, steve nash would not be a top 10 player.

RaptorizedKevin
02-08-2010, 09:26 PM
No chris bosh ? messed up. He should be there instead of gasol. and tim duncan should be higher. 20/10/2. tim duncan should be top 5

boriquaabe
02-08-2010, 09:29 PM
As of right now:

1)James
2)Bryant
3)Durant
4)Anthony
5)Wade
6)Bosh
7)Howard
8)Duncan
9)Nowitzki
10)Nash

avrpatsfan
02-08-2010, 09:39 PM
Pierce over Durant? Durant is a beast and is better than Dirk, Roy, deron, CP3 ect. He is averaging near 30 points and 10 rebounds.

Ezekial
02-08-2010, 09:41 PM
As much as I love Gasol.. he doesn't really belong there.... nor does Pierce belong that high...

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Howard
5. Anthony
6. Nowitzki
7. Paul
8. Nash
9. Durant
10. D. Williams

my omissions - Duncan, Garnett, Gasol, Roy, Pierce

Really? No Melo?

I take 0 serious that don't Melo in the top 10.

Jonathan2323
02-08-2010, 09:44 PM
Lebron should be #1. He playing better than Kobe and doing more with less.

showtym24
02-08-2010, 09:44 PM
Lmao at pierce being 5.

showtym24
02-08-2010, 09:46 PM
Really? No Melo?

I take 0 serious that don't Melo in the top 10.

Anthony= Melo

magichatnumber9
02-08-2010, 09:51 PM
Seriously just because Foxsports puts out a list doesn't mean we all want to see yours. The thread says nothing about making yours. My only problem with this list is Paul Pierce, he has no business at this point being on that list.

magichatnumber9
02-08-2010, 09:54 PM
Monta Ellis is not a top ten player in this league. He is a team liability because he needs the ball way to much and chucks the ball way to much. Golden State has lost a few games this season because of Monta letting his teammates get cold on the floor. Trust me I have the league pass.

MacFitz92
02-08-2010, 09:59 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

That is the worst list, and I am personally offended that they left Dirk out. Pierce and Gasol better than Dirk? Is this a joke? This list is a joke.

MacFitz92
02-08-2010, 10:02 PM
As of right now:

1)James
2)Bryant
3)Durant
4)Anthony
5)Wade
6)Bosh
7)Howard
8)Duncan
9)Nowitzki
10)Nash

That is a very honest list, although in my opinion I'd switch Nowitzki and Duncan, and slide everybody up 1, and put wade at 9.

jakedajewler
02-08-2010, 10:21 PM
bosh

heathonater
02-08-2010, 10:30 PM
remove gasol or pierce and put in dirk. i think i have posted on this thread before, but im not sure.

loufor2
02-08-2010, 10:58 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

wow thats bad. Gasol ahead of Duncan, Cp3, Roy, Dirk, Deron Durant, and howard? Are you serious? Paul Peirce 5, and nash 6th?
poor list IMO. foxsports...pshh

I know its opinion, but this does not seem like an NBA analysts list.

still1ballin
02-08-2010, 10:58 PM
Shocked to see Bryant over James.

kblo247
02-08-2010, 11:01 PM
Thats where your wrong, his #'s are impressive given his efficiency(not age), hes never been this efficient offensively. He may not be the same defensive force he used to be, but what do you make of this peaking late in his career.

single coverage

24/7
02-08-2010, 11:24 PM
any list with steve " i don't play defense " nash should not be considered. there are too many good players who play defense that deserve a spot.

and LeBron is better than Kobe, and I am a Laker Fan.
Kobe is getting old, and can't get to the basket/jump like he used to,
but he is the best leader in the NBA, and jas best Jump shot along with Carmelo.

1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Dwight
5. Chris Paul
6. Kevin Durant
7. Tim Duncan
8. Deron Williams
9. Dirk
10. Pierce

Couldn't fit in Melo.

Let's be fair, People like Garnett, Shaq are quite old, and not in their prime. I AM COUNTING DEFENSE. Deron Williams is a very solid defensive player and is heart and soul of one of the best defensive teams in the league.

THE MTL
02-08-2010, 11:28 PM
Jumper: Dirk

Inside scoring: Pau WRONG!

Feet moves : Pau WRONG!

Thee point shot : Dirk

Ft: Dirk

back to the baskt game : Pau

Strenght: Pau

Athleticism: ...... well they both suck at it but Pau a bit better. WRONG

Offensie reboudning : Pau

Deffensive reboudning : Pau

Blocking : Pau

Passing: Pau

Iq: Pau WRONG

Court Vision : Pau

Handling : Pau WRONG!

DEFENSE: Pau


Lets add something else as well.

Leadership: Dirk

Midrange: Dirk

JUST BEING FLAT-OUT Better: DIRK!

THE MTL
02-08-2010, 11:29 PM
I dont have any idea how you can put Gasol over Duncan! This list must be made in Spain

WITZ
02-08-2010, 11:47 PM
SMH kobe first......:facepalm: ,Pau ahead of durant some body is looking through their purple & gold shades.

kblo247
02-09-2010, 12:03 AM
Dirk is better than Pau because of the simple fact he doesn't shy away as much when the lights are on bright or hide in anyones shadow.

Dirk's personality and the fact he can impose his will on a game is what separates him from Pau and makes him the best PF in the league (Duncan plays center)

JordansBulls
02-09-2010, 12:14 AM
I dont have any idea how you can put Gasol over Duncan! This list must be made in Spain

:nod:

RaptorizedKevin
02-09-2010, 12:37 AM
I dont have any idea how you can put Gasol over Duncan! This list must be made in Spain

:laugh: im thinking the same thing. Duncan is way better than gasol, even his numbers proove it. this is just bs. tim duncan is probably the best PF of ALL TIME, and he hsould at least have more recogniition than pau.

sugarrayray
02-09-2010, 12:56 AM
Anyone that thinks Paul Pierce is better than Chris Paul shouldn't have a list published

roshan3ai
02-09-2010, 01:30 AM
Nash shouldn't be in the top ten. There's no doubt that he is great at creating for his teammates and a great shooter, but unless he learns to play defense, there's no way he should be top ten

xxepo
02-09-2010, 02:04 AM
Nash shouldn't be in the top ten. There's no doubt that he is great at creating for his teammates and a great shooter, but unless he learns to play defense, there's no way he should be top ten


I fully agree.....I am not sure how bosh cant be fit in there .. his having a amazing year .. both ends of the floor .. his defence has never been better and his mid range game was always there ... he dose it all ... a very good leader ... almost a double double every game ... and his team is winning :S

boriquaabe
02-09-2010, 03:53 AM
Nash shouldn't be in the top ten. There's no doubt that he is great at creating for his teammates and a great shooter, but unless he learns to play defense, there's no way he should be top ten

Let me ask you a question: what is more vital for a team to win creating for teammates and great shooting or one guy playing defense?

WHat Nash does well far far outweighs his shortcomings. He is responsible for making 4 other guys better and who does Dirk make better? Nobody really. All of this talk about how good Nowitzki is, yuk he's garbage. He's one dimensional. Since Steve Nash was traded to Phoenix who has been better? Nash. you guy's talk so much junk about Nash not playing defense. He is so overmatched physically it's kind of hard for him to mix it up. There aren't many other white point guards shutting anybody down. Come to think of it out of all the other white PG's the only one who is a decent defender is Hinrich. Ridnour? No. Jwilliams? No. Calderon? Nope. S. Rodriguez? NO. Barea? uh... NO. Arroyo? Not. who else? anybody.

ko8e24
02-09-2010, 04:02 AM
I dont have any idea how you can put Gasol over Duncan! This list must be made in Spain


Tonite's Game (LAL 101 SAS 89)


Tim Duncan........Pau Gasol

8/17 FG.............8/20 FG
0/0 FT..............5/5 FT
16 pts..............21 pts
15 rebs.............19 rebs
1 asst...............8 assts
1 stl.................1 stl
4 blks................5 blks


So basically

Duncan: 16 pts, 15 rebs, 1 asst, 1 stl, 4 blks
Gasol: 21 pts, 19 rebs, 8 assts, 1 stl, 5 blks


Just sayin...

Hellcrooner
02-09-2010, 04:09 AM
^ DOnt botter man people will never credit Gasol.

Duncans career make him the BEST PF all time.
Wich does not mean he is not old now and way past his prime.
So AT THIS EXACT MOMENT in time Duncan (or kg) are not better than Pau Dirk and Bosh.

G-Funk
02-09-2010, 11:14 AM
I would swich Lebron & Wade

mser58
02-09-2010, 11:37 AM
dont think Gasol should be in the discussion.

dwadefan03
02-09-2010, 11:53 AM
i dont know why people keep putting kpbe over lebron and wade. those 2 guys are clearly better than him. maybe wade and kobe is debateable (not really) but kobe is no where near Lebron.

also these rankngs suck. Paul pierce and steve nash made the list but dirk and cp3 and deron williams didnt?

dwadefan03
02-09-2010, 12:15 PM
Let me ask you a question: what is more vital for a team to win creating for teammates and great shooting or one guy playing defense?

WHat Nash does well far far outweighs his shortcomings. He is responsible for making 4 other guys better and who does Dirk make better? Nobody really. All of this talk about how good Nowitzki is, yuk he's garbage. He's one dimensional. Since Steve Nash was traded to Phoenix who has been better? Nash. you guy's talk so much junk about Nash not playing defense. He is so overmatched physically it's kind of hard for him to mix it up. There aren't many other white point guards shutting anybody down. Come to think of it out of all the other white PG's the only one who is a decent defender is Hinrich. Ridnour? No. Jwilliams? No. Calderon? Nope. S. Rodriguez? NO. Barea? uh... NO. Arroyo? Not. who else? anybody.

all of those points you made are exactly why chris paul and deron williams are better. and those people arent white they're from various spanih-speaking countries.

GreenMan305
02-09-2010, 12:18 PM
lebron



















durant
kobe
wade
melo
roy
doesnt matter

cdnsportsfan
02-09-2010, 02:10 PM
Is it best player this season or just best player overall who happens to be playing this season? Very different discussion for both.

I can't believe the snubs that Chris Bosh has been getting, beyond his very improved and quite impressive stats he has lead his team into the fifth spot in the Eastern Conference right now. He's averaging 24.4 ppg and 11.4 rebs but over the last 10 games has pulled down 26.8 and 12.5.

Yes I know the schedule is lighter now for the Raps but those are still great numbers! Now despite the fact that I think he's a Top 10 player at the moment I can understand the talk about his defence, even if it has improved this season still needs more work. However not even being considered as an honourable mention? People are listing 3-5 players after their own Top 10's and Bosh isn't in there?? That's really pushing it imho!

JordansBulls
02-09-2010, 03:19 PM
lebron



















durant
kobe
wade
melo
roy
doesnt matter

I think it is clear you only watch wing players.

boriquaabe
02-09-2010, 05:09 PM
all of those points you made are exactly why chris paul and deron williams are better. and those people arent white they're from various spanih-speaking countries.

I know bro I'm puerto rican.. point was they're not good defenders. Sorry for the confusion.

Individually Paul and Williams may be better. But on a team I don't think those guys are better than nash at making his teammates better and Nash is a Much better shooter. SO right now I would put my team in the hands of Nash but dudes only got a year a two left in the tank. Then I would take Williams before Paul just because I like the tempo Deron plays at and how he runs a team.

fresh prince
02-09-2010, 05:42 PM
i dont know why people keep putting kpbe over lebron and wade. those 2 guys are clearly better than him. maybe wade and kobe is debateable (not really) but kobe is no where near Lebron.

also these rankngs suck. Paul pierce and steve nash made the list but dirk and cp3 and deron williams didnt?

In fantasy hoops maybe youre right. But in real life the 2 are clearly 1a and 1b.

Changes on a weekly basis. Before Kobe broke his finger he was playing unbelievable ball. Lebron is playing at a higher level right now though and is clealry the best right now.

But to say they arent anywhere close to one another is laughable.

Zefflin
02-09-2010, 07:04 PM
^^ Good **** man.

nearyG
02-09-2010, 07:23 PM
fox sports is a joke...mello is out of place on this list (he should still be on it)...and gasol and pierce...i don't even think they should be on it

1) kobe
2) Lebron
3) Wade
4) Paul
5) Howard
6) Bosh
7) Mello
8) Durant
9) Roy
10) Nash

dwadefan03
02-09-2010, 07:24 PM
In fantasy hoops maybe youre right. But in real life the 2 are clearly 1a and 1b.

Changes on a weekly basis. Before Kobe broke his finger he was playing unbelievable ball. Lebron is playing at a higher level right now though and is clealry the best right now.

But to say they arent anywhere close to one another is laughable.

yeah but kobe just seems very one dimensional to me. lebron james can score better and more efficiantly than kobe, hes WAY better at creating for teammates, hes a better rebounder, he scores in more ways than kobe and IMO is just overall alot better than kobe

vitamins_
02-09-2010, 07:27 PM
i feel chris bosh should be up on that list. or least mention his team

dwadefan03
02-09-2010, 07:29 PM
fox sports is a joke...mello is out of place on this list (he should still be on it)...and gasol and pierce...i don't even think they should be on it

1) kobe
2) Lebron
3) Wade
4) Paul
5) Howard
6) Bosh
7) Mello
8) Durant
9) Roy
10) Nash

1.)lebrons better than kobe
2.)wade (see above)
3.)kobe
4.)paul
5.)Melo
6.Dirk(howard has absolutely NO post moves and until he develops them i dnt think hes top 10)
7.)Bosh is not better than dirk but thats proboly debateable
8.)Roy(durant hasnt proved too much yet, its too early for him to be on this list.)
9.)Deron Williams(nash should NEVER EVER be ahead of paul and deron. hes not top ten IMO)
10.)Tim Duncan(would be higher but hes starting to get old)

silvTeg98
02-09-2010, 07:31 PM
i agree with the top 4

fresh prince
02-09-2010, 07:32 PM
yeah but kobe just seems very one dimensional to me. lebron james can score better and more efficiantly than kobe, hes WAY better at creating for teammates, hes a better rebounder, he scores in more ways than kobe and IMO is just overall alot better than kobe

Youre kidding right?

GreenMan305
02-09-2010, 07:42 PM
I think it is clear you only watch wing players.

theres like 2-3 real centers in the nba..

the fudamental PF like duncan KG pau are dying..
anyway

kobe shouldnt be number 1 on any list.. lebron is way better.. just cus its kobe.. the only thing he does better than lebron is take more shots and make shots in the clutch.. THATS IT... lebron will win at least 5 titles and has MVP locked down for the next 7-8 years.. he will also surpass kobe on the all time scoring list...

just because lebron isnt hand fed great team like kobe doesnt mean he is any less of a player.. lebron could go onto any team and make them title contenders.. he makes everyone much better. kobe is a ball hog and conly cares about himself

Chronz
02-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Bron by far (And it has nothing to do with Kobe being hurt), I honestly see him sweeping the MVP race for the next 4 years.

Storch
02-09-2010, 08:00 PM
I'm a laker fan and even I think Gasol shouldn't be in that list.

philab
02-09-2010, 10:59 PM
In fantasy hoops maybe youre right. But in real life the 2 are clearly 1a and 1b.

Changes on a weekly basis. Before Kobe broke his finger he was playing unbelievable ball. Lebron is playing at a higher level right now though and is clealry the best right now.

But to say they arent anywhere close to one another is laughable.

Kobe was playing unbelievable ball before he broke his finger. LeBron was still playing better ball. Remember that LeBron was playing over 60% of games on the road -- including both west coast trips -- while Kobe was playing about 70% at home.

I'm not trying to fan flames or pick fights here. I just found your statements odd. Only now that Kobe's hurt do you admit to LeBron playing better ball. It's still more reasonable than lots of fans, though.

fresh prince
02-10-2010, 02:00 PM
Kobe was playing unbelievable ball before he broke his finger. LeBron was still playing better ball. Remember that LeBron was playing over 60% of games on the road -- including both west coast trips -- while Kobe was playing about 70% at home.

I'm not trying to fan flames or pick fights here. I just found your statements odd. Only now that Kobe's hurt do you admit to LeBron playing better ball. It's still more reasonable than lots of fans, though.

What does home vs road games have to do with it? Youre acting as if Kobe Bryant and Lebron James the undisputed best 2 players on the planet care where they play their games?!

Or as if they cant play as well on the road? Are you serious?

Yes I would argue that from October - Jan 1. and game where Kobe hit the game winning trey against the Kings and finished with 39 5 and 5. He was playing beter than Lebron. From Jan 1st on it has been Lebron's work tho.

But the argument that home vs. road games effects the way these guys perform is some funny ****.

In fact I bet if asked they would both admit to being a little more jacked/pumped up for some of the bigger road games than playign at home.

zambo4president
02-10-2010, 02:19 PM
1.Kobe Bryant
2.Tim Duncan
3.LeBron James
4.Carmelo Anthony
5.Dirk Nowitzki
6.Kevin Durant
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Deron Williams
9.Brandon Roy
10.Steve Nash

Hustla23
02-10-2010, 02:23 PM
LOL at Kobe #1 and Pierce #5

C-Van
02-10-2010, 03:18 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/ranking-10-best-nba-players

1. Bryant
2. James
3. Wade
4. Melo
5. Pierce
6. Nash
7. Gasol
8. Duncan
9. Howard
10. Durant

Notable omissions: CP3, Roy, Dirk, Deron

Juwan Howard at #9? I don't think so...

ChiSox219
02-10-2010, 03:34 PM
His numbers may be impressive given his age and how long he has played, but I don't even have him in my Top 10 to be honest. Dirk should be here over him .


This:

Are you high? Where the hell did you even come up with that :speechless:

-Kobe24-TJ19-
02-10-2010, 04:21 PM
LOL at Kobe #1 and Pierce #5

excuse me?:confused:

ChiSox219
02-10-2010, 04:24 PM
excuse me?:confused:

#2-4 seems more reasonable. Wade and CP3 both have good cases to be on the same level as Kobe, but there isn't a rational argument to put Kobe on Lebron's level, unless the NBA starts enforcing traveling.

bmanjones
02-10-2010, 04:34 PM
terrible

philab
02-10-2010, 04:49 PM
What does home vs road games have to do with it? Youre acting as if Kobe Bryant and Lebron James the undisputed best 2 players on the planet care where they play their games?!

Or as if they cant play as well on the road? Are you serious?

Yes I would argue that from October - Jan 1. and game where Kobe hit the game winning trey against the Kings and finished with 39 5 and 5. He was playing beter than Lebron. From Jan 1st on it has been Lebron's work tho.

But the argument that home vs. road games effects the way these guys perform is some funny ****.

In fact I bet if asked they would both admit to being a little more jacked/pumped up for some of the bigger road games than playign at home.

Well then you're out of your mind. Kobe was playing FANTASTIC during that stretch. Competing for the MVP? Sure. Playing better than LeBron? No chance.

As for H/A: SIX teams in the entire NBA have winning records on the road. SIX. You don't think that indicates that players have a harder time playing on the road?

Regardless, LeBron was playing better ball then anyway.

You tried to slip in some Kobe homerism amidst all that "reason," but I called you on it.

J_M_B
02-10-2010, 05:03 PM
1.Kobe Bryant
2.LeBron James
3.Dwyane Wade
4.Carmelo Anthony
5.Chris Paul
6.Tim Duncan
7.Dirk Nowitzki
8.Steve Nash
9.Dwight Howard
10.Kevin Durant

J_M_B
02-10-2010, 05:05 PM
LOL at Kobe #1 and Pierce #5

:confused:

Slow down there buddy..

alencp3
02-10-2010, 05:46 PM
1.James-no arguing here
2.Kobe
3.Wade
4.Durant
5.Carmelo
5.CP3
6.Dirk
7.Howard
8.Roy
9.D-Will
10.Morrison

anyone agrees?

RichAltman
02-10-2010, 05:58 PM
That Fox list is probably not entirely accurate, but it certainly does include a lot of the NBA's greatest players. It's hard to put a number on a player's skill unless you look purely at their statistics. But I think many would agree that a player's skill is not always directly reflected by his statistics. In any case, Bryant, Wade, and James definitely belong on that list. They are consistently good, not only individually but as team players. I found great basketball memorabilia for each of those players at Hollywood Collectibles (http://www.hollywoodcollectibles.com).

Vinny642
02-10-2010, 06:00 PM
1.Kobe Bryant
2.Tim Duncan
3.LeBron James
4.Carmelo Anthony
5.Dirk Nowitzki
6.Kevin Durant
7.Dwayne Wade
8.Deron Williams
9.Brandon Roy
10.Steve Nash

Is this list serious?

fresh prince
02-10-2010, 06:25 PM
Well then you're out of your mind. Kobe was playing FANTASTIC during that stretch. Competing for the MVP? Sure. Playing better than LeBron? No chance.

As for H/A: SIX teams in the entire NBA have winning records on the road. SIX. You don't think that indicates that players have a harder time playing on the road?

Regardless, LeBron was playing better ball then anyway.

You tried to slip in some Kobe homerism amidst all that "reason," but I called you on it.

Teams have a tough time winning on the road yes. But great players do not play worse because they are on the road.

In fact the best players play better on the Road than at home because their teams need greater contributions from them in order to win.

Just take a look:

Kobe on the Road vs at Home:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/season_splits.html

Road: 28.5 PPG
Home: 27.5 PPG

Lebron on the Road vs at Home:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron_james/season_splits.html

Road: 31 PPG
Home: 28.5 PPG

philab
02-10-2010, 07:18 PM
Teams have a tough time winning on the road yes. But great players do not play worse because they are on the road.

In fact the best players play better on the Road than at home because their teams need greater contributions from them in order to win.

Just take a look:

Kobe on the Road vs at Home:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kobe_bryant/season_splits.html

Road: 28.5 PPG
Home: 27.5 PPG

Lebron on the Road vs at Home:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron_james/season_splits.html

Road: 31 PPG
Home: 28.5 PPG

I looked those stats up too. What you've provided is misleading.

First, that's points only. Second, you didn't account for minutes.

Kobe plays over 2 MPG more on the road, probably because blowouts are more likely at home. When you account for those 2 MPG, Kobe's Home PPG average exceeds his Away PPG significantly. All his other stats (the ones that can be found on H/A splits; sadly no PER, WS, TS%, etc.) are better at home without compensating for those minutes. After compensating, Kobe plays statistically better at home than on the road -- across the board.

LeBron's the same way to a degree. True, even accounting for MPG differences his Away PPG exceed his Home PPG (31:29.1, only the ratio is meaningful after converting). However, his assists are almost 2 APG higher, a HUGE margin. His rebounds are higher on the road as well, although this is at least in part due to his declining rebounds generally over the past month (Hickson or Shaq or something? Don't know why.). The big one, though, is that LeBron shoots over .040 better at home -- .529 vs. .488.

And keep in mind that LeBron's H/A balance, while still skewed, wasn't nearly as skewed as Kobe's H/A balance (17/4 at one point). Considering that Kobe is the one who clearly performs better at home than on the road (see above), I think I've got a pretty damn good argument.

fresh prince
02-10-2010, 08:02 PM
I looked those stats up too. What you've provided (see above), I think I've got a pretty damn good argument.

As long as you say so! :laugh2:


I would say the safer summary is there really is not a large difference in Road play for super stars. Its been long documented that role players production is the most effected by home and away splits.

Kobe and Lebron are amazing in any gym on the planet.

ChiSox219
02-10-2010, 08:40 PM
As long as you say so! :laugh2:


I would say the safer summary is there really is not a large difference in Road play for super stars. Its been long documented that role players production is the most effected by home and away splits.

Kobe and Lebron are amazing in any gym on the planet.

Kobe for his career:

Home FG%/3P%: .465/.361
Road FG%/3P%: .445/.321

Home A/T: 1.72
Road A/T: 1.48

sargon21
02-10-2010, 08:41 PM
IMO howard's not a top 10 player in the league

fresh prince
02-10-2010, 09:20 PM
Kobe for his career:

Home FG%/3P%: .465/.361
Road FG%/3P%: .445/.321

Home A/T: 1.72
Road A/T: 1.48


Kobe's career stats are nearly identical Home Vs Away.

Home:

25. 6 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.8 APG 1.6 SPG

Road:

25. 0 PPG 5.3 RPG 4.5 APG 1.4 SPG

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3118/splits?year=career&type=Fielding

Youre only furtHer proving my point.

Nice try tho... cherry picking the only 2 slight discrepancies.

JNA17
02-10-2010, 09:32 PM
the top 3 is good, and maybe melo at 4, but i don't really like it otherwise

td0tsfinest
02-10-2010, 09:52 PM
fox sucks

Pierce should not be no. 5.

aWiLL 20
02-11-2010, 12:15 AM
charley rosen is such a joke.

JordansBulls
02-12-2010, 11:47 AM
IMO howard's not a top 10 player in the league

You are joking right?