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JordansBulls
01-02-2010, 11:39 PM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

Gators123
01-02-2010, 11:40 PM
Charlotte @ Cleveland
Indiana @ NY Knicks
San Antonio @ Toronto
Philadelphia @ Denver
Dallas @ LA Lakers

TheKing23
01-03-2010, 12:02 AM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

JnasD
01-03-2010, 12:09 AM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

I agree

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 12:23 AM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

_KB24_
01-03-2010, 12:54 AM
Mavrix man, mini sig bet??????

FaM0us Skins
01-03-2010, 12:55 AM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

_KB24_
01-03-2010, 12:56 AM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

Ryan328
01-03-2010, 01:53 AM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

Vinny642
01-03-2010, 02:25 AM
Give me the home teams

Cubs Win
01-03-2010, 03:01 AM
Mavrix man, mini sig bet??????

He just chooses to not truly fufill the bet despite losing it.

Jays Claw
01-03-2010, 02:47 PM
Charlotte @ Cleveland
Indiana @ New York
San Antonio @ Toronto
Philadelphia @ Denver
Dallas @ LA Lakers

GodsSon
01-03-2010, 03:11 PM
If NBA games went according to Mavrix's picks, the Raptors would go 0-82...

Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

JWO35
01-03-2010, 04:26 PM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

thedfactor
01-03-2010, 04:39 PM
Charlotte @ Cleveland 6:00 PM
Indiana @ NY Knicks 6:00 PM
San Antonio @ Toronto 6:00 PM NBA TV
Philadelphia @ Denver 8:00 PM
Dallas @ LA Lakers 9:30 PM

RaptorsFanatic
01-03-2010, 06:52 PM
Raptors and Lakers will win.

madiaz3
01-03-2010, 07:34 PM
i just **** my pants. gallinari baptized roy hibbert. also since im lazy is the LA/dallas game televised

madiaz3
01-03-2010, 08:05 PM
indiana is undermanned but they look miserable.

74-42 at half

summary of the night
http://www.nba.com/video/games/knicks/2010/01/03/0020900490_ind_nyk_play1.nba/index.html

never looked back since

Vinny642
01-03-2010, 08:14 PM
I am pretty much correct with everything look at them home teams!

SaimoNETS
01-03-2010, 08:39 PM
Knicks have a 101-59 lead right now!!!! :speechless:

JordansBulls
01-03-2010, 09:25 PM
Bobcats win in Cleveland tonight.:speechless:

DenButsu
01-03-2010, 09:28 PM
How does the Nuggets offense survive without Melo and Billups?

Sharing the ball. They're starting off shooting 6-8 with 5 assists.

SaimoNETS
01-03-2010, 09:29 PM
Bobcats win in Cleveland tonight.:speechless:

Its weird. they always seem to play well against good teams lol

LanceUpperCut
01-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Raptors over the Spurs

SA5195
01-03-2010, 10:05 PM
Raps win over the Spurs.

And Bosh becomes the Raps all time leading scorer!

bigsams50
01-03-2010, 10:17 PM
HOW BOUT THEM BOBCATS!!!!! lol

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 10:18 PM
No Dampier tonight :(

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 10:57 PM
Without Dampier to clean up the glass and defend the paint, we don't have a chance.

lakerboy
01-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Oh, there goes the excuse. Erick Dampier :D

lakerboy
01-03-2010, 11:07 PM
Oh Gasol is questionable now for the 2nd half.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:10 PM
Without Dampier to clean up the glass and defend the paint, we don't have a chance.

oh noes, what will the mavs do without superstar Damiper!

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:11 PM
Oh, there goes the excuse. Erick Dampier :D

Damp will be missed against the Lakers' strong front line.

rabueed
01-03-2010, 11:11 PM
Without Dampier to clean up the glass and defend the paint, we don't have a chance.

you know, we didn't have Gasol last time and you guys rocked us. You kept telling us to stop the excuses.

now you're using Dampier as an excuse? come on now...

see who's more important to their respective team, Dampier or Gasol? haha...


still too early in the game, but Lakers end the 1st 30-13.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:11 PM
so far at end of first, lakers 30 mavs 13

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:11 PM
oh noes, what will the mavs do without superstar Damiper!

The best rebounder and blocker on the team, you don't know basketball.

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:12 PM
you know, we didn't have Gasol last time and you guys rocked us. You kept telling us to stop the excuses.

now you're using Dampier as an excuse? come on now...

see who's more important to their respective team, Dampier or Gasol? haha...

I'm not giving excuses. Dampier is the only true center on our team. Best rebounder and shot blocker, he's having one of a season and he will truely be missed for this game.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:14 PM
The best rebounder and blocker on the team, you don't know basketball.

Really? the guy that has been telling other laker fans to stop using the gasol was out excuse and now u use one of the worst starters in the league being out for tonight as an excuse? Really shows how much u know :rolleyes:

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:14 PM
This is the worst I have seen us this entire year so far. We're playing terrible. We can't make shots or defend.

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:15 PM
Really? the guy that has been telling other laker fans to stop using the gasol was out excuse and now u use one of the worst starters in the league being out for tonight as an excuse? Really shows how much u know :rolleyes:

Dallas didn't have Howard that game, both teams were out with a significant starter.

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:16 PM
JNA you really don't know basketball...Dampier has been killing it this year.

rabueed
01-03-2010, 11:16 PM
I'm not giving excuses. Dampier is the only true center on our team. Best rebounder and shot blocker, he's having one of a season and he will truely be missed for this game.

i'm not saying dampier doesn't contribute, but they played well without him earlier this season, so that's no reason for them to lose.

and no Gasol atm, hopefully he's OK.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:19 PM
JNA you really don't know basketball...Dampier has been killing it this year.

yet compared to the other players on ur team, he has not such a HUGE factor.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:20 PM
Dallas didn't have Howard that game, both teams were out with a significant starter.

you had a player named marion, while he was out ur team was doing pretty fine without him.

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:22 PM
i'm not saying dampier doesn't contribute, but they played well without him earlier this season, so that's no reason for them to lose.

and no Gasol atm, hopefully he's OK.Yeah but playing a team like the Lakers with one of the best front lines in the NBA, if not the best, it's gonna be extremely hard. Dallas is playing without a true center.

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:23 PM
yet compared to the other players on ur team, he has not such a HUGE factor.Just stop, you clearly know nothing about basketball.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:23 PM
Yeah but playing a team like the Lakers with one of the best front lines in the NBA, if not the best, it's gonna be extremely hard. Dallas is playing without a true center.

the front line is not even doing much at all in terms of offense right now, farmar and the back court is killing u right now

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:24 PM
Just stop, I clearly know nothing about basketball.

you got it

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:24 PM
the front line is not even doing much at all in terms of offense right now, farmar and the back court is killing u right now

No it's the defense that's killing us. Our offense is only shooting 23%.

rabueed
01-03-2010, 11:25 PM
Yeah but playing a team like the Lakers with one of the best front lines in the NBA, if not the best, it's gonna be extremely hard. Dallas is playing without a true center.

well, Gasol is out too, so the best front line concept doesn't apply here. He played 6 minutes and is questionable for the second half.

regardless, Dallas is more than capable of winning, so that's not a reason for a bad game by them. Especially with the Lakers' effort as of late.

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:25 PM
you got it

What are you 12? This convo is over.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:27 PM
What are you 12? This convo is over.

I'm 22 wise ***. And this convo already ended with your stupidity

Lakersfan2483
01-03-2010, 11:37 PM
So far, this is the best game I have seen the Lakers play all year. Let's see if they can keep this up in the 2nd half. They have been excellent on both ends of the court tonight.

rabueed
01-03-2010, 11:40 PM
So far, this is the best game I have seen the Lakers play all year. Let's see if they can keep this up in the 2nd half.

you know why?

because this is the most effort the bench has put in all year. Farmar, Mbenga, and Brown are playing amazing.

Mavrix
01-03-2010, 11:40 PM
So far, this is the best game I have seen the Lakers play all year. Let's see if they can keep this up in the 2nd half.

And this is the absolute worst game I've seen the Mavs play this year. Lack of effort mixed in with horrible shooting.

JNA17
01-03-2010, 11:41 PM
you know why?

because this is the most effort the bench has put in all year. Farmar, Mbenga, and Brown are playing amazing.

if those guys would play like this all year lakers would be unstoppable

thedfactor
01-03-2010, 11:41 PM
Dallas needs to bring in some serious help. Dirk is a lone star with a leader in Kidd. But besides them, you never know what to expect from the others. I know we're 2nd out west, but second is only first loser.

Lakersfan2483
01-03-2010, 11:47 PM
you know why?

because this is the most effort the bench has put in all year. Farmar, Mbenga, and Brown are playing amazing.

It's about time the bench stepped up and produced, it's been frustrating waiting on those guys to get it together. When our bench actually shows up, we are almost unbeatable.

JordansBulls
01-03-2010, 11:47 PM
So far, this is the best game I have seen the Lakers play all year. Let's see if they can keep this up in the 2nd half. They have been excellent on both ends of the court tonight.

Well Dallas already won in LA this year, so I would expect them to come out on fire. Also against Houston on Tuesday.

Lakersfan2483
01-03-2010, 11:52 PM
Well Dallas already won in LA this year, so I would expect them to come out on fire. Also against Houston on Tuesday.

Yep, I expected a better effort from the Lakers and I have been pleastantly surprised tonight. Great game thus far. Everyone is contributing and competing on both ends.

JNA17
01-04-2010, 12:01 AM
damn bynum just schooling dirk

Lakersfan2483
01-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Great game by the Lakers tonight as they are up by 40 pts. after 3 quarters!!

JNA17
01-04-2010, 12:24 AM
103-63 lakers going into the 4th, dallas is just sad right now.

_KB24_
01-04-2010, 12:26 AM
Ok, I have never seen this before. Dirk and Kidd have a "+/-" combined of -62!????? Is that even possible?

JNA17
01-04-2010, 12:30 AM
This is hilarious, lakers playing their performance all season without gasol and artest!

Shady66
01-04-2010, 12:37 AM
This is hilarious, lakers playing their performance all season without gasol and artest!

What happend to Gasol? I checked the boxscore and saw that he started, but only played 7 and a half minutes.

Cubs Win
01-04-2010, 12:37 AM
Kidd took and missed 6 shots! All 3s! That doesn't seem like a good way to win.

Lakersfan2483
01-04-2010, 12:38 AM
What happend to Gasol? I checked the boxscore and saw that he started, but only played 7 and a half minutes.

He injured his hamstring in the 1st quarter.

iggypop123
01-04-2010, 12:39 AM
Ok, I have never seen this before. Dirk and Kidd have a "+/-" combined of -62!????? Is that even possible?

in the game against the kings hawes went nuts and had a - for his stat and fisher who was 1-10 was at +. the stat is useless

fast_break
01-04-2010, 12:49 AM
payback

bkmikeyy
01-04-2010, 12:52 AM
for the people that call gallo a one trick pony...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzVO-QoQk74

JNA17
01-04-2010, 12:55 AM
damn huge payback, dallas just sucks. 131-96 lakers.

GodsSon
01-04-2010, 12:55 AM
wow, Dallas got absolutely manhandled by LA today...pretty big statement win and shows that Dallas is not on the same level as the Lakers

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 01:00 AM
wow, Dallas got absolutely manhandled by LA today...pretty big statement win and shows that Dallas is not on the same level as the Lakers

It's just one game off the 2nd night of a back to back. Were people saying the Lakers weren't on the same level as the Mavericks when Dallas blew them out?
Hopefully Gasol/Artest are healthy for the January 13 game in Dallas, should be a good one.

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 01:03 AM
LOL dallas

GodsSon
01-04-2010, 01:04 AM
It's just one game off the 2nd night of a back to back. Were people saying the Lakers weren't on the same level as the Mavericks when Dallas blew them out?
Hopefully Gasol/Artest are healthy for the January 13 game in Dallas, should be a good one.

no, they werent...because it was early in the season and the lakers didnt have Gasol

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 01:06 AM
no, they werent...because it was early in the season and the lakers didnt have Gasol

For the last time Dallas didn't have Howard.

kblo247
01-04-2010, 01:12 AM
Oh well the Lakers lost Gasol, didn't have Artest or Walton to play SF, and waxed that ***!

Happy :)

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 01:13 AM
For the last time Dallas didn't have Howard.

Are you really comparing Howard to Gasol?

Statik1
01-04-2010, 01:13 AM
For the last time Dallas didn't have Howard.

Odom got him wayyyyy too high before the game. He couldn't handle that Cali ;)

I cant wait for the game in Dal. Should be a good one!

JNA17
01-04-2010, 01:20 AM
For the last time Dallas didn't have Howard.

lol at dallas fans comparing howard to gasol.

GodsSon
01-04-2010, 01:26 AM
For the last time Dallas didn't have Howard.

Gasol + Artest >>> Dampier + Howard...sorry man, the lakers just merked you guys tonight in what i already said was a big statement win

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 01:27 AM
Are you really comparing Howard to Gasol?

Of course, Howard is better offensively.

Statik1
01-04-2010, 01:30 AM
Of course, Howard is better offensively.

You smoke with Odom & Howard before the game to ? LMAO Howard will never ever be on the same level Gasol is.....

Statik1
01-04-2010, 01:31 AM
Gasol + Artest >>> Dampier + Howard...sorry man, the lakers just merked you guys tonight in what i already said was a big statement win

LOL haven't heard that one in awhile. It sure was a merking tonight!

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 01:34 AM
Of course, Howard is better offensively.

:facepalm:

Of course he is when Howard went 2-11 FG from the field in 23 minutes with 7 pts while Gasol went 3-3 FG 6 pts in 7 minutes

tr4shb0t
01-04-2010, 01:44 AM
the bad thing about embarrassing another playoff team is you usually lose to them the next game even if some zebras have to step in and make it happen. otherwise fans lose interest. mavs will win in Dallas next game. bogus foul trouble and touch fouls. book it.

MTar786
01-04-2010, 01:47 AM
For the last time Dallas didn't have Howard.

lol

dallas fans go nuts when they beat LA a couple months back.. was as if they won the championship

lakers OWN dallas today n still we feel no need to make much of this.. dallas isnt a team we need to worry much about

BTW next time u complain about playing without a player.. check out the other teams roster.. no artest, no gasol and no walton.
howard is a nobody compared to artest or gasol. so dont complain son

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 01:50 AM
:facepalm:

Of course he is when Howard went 2-11 FG from the field in 23 minutes with 7 pts while Gasol went 3-3 FG 6 pts in 7 minutes

I'm talking about overall career wise, Howard has posted the same, if not better ppg as Gasol as the 2nd option.

MTar786
01-04-2010, 01:51 AM
Of course, Howard is better offensively.

:facepalm:

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 01:51 AM
lol

dallas fans go nuts when they beat LA a couple months back.. was as if they won the championship

lakers OWN dallas today n still we feel no need to make much of this.. dallas isnt a team we need to worry much about

BTW next time u complain about playing without a player.. check out the other teams roster.. no artest, no gasol and no walton.
howard is a nobody compared to artest or gasol. so dont complain son

Walton is only averaging 10 mpg, why did you even mention him?

By the way this game came off the 2nd night of a back to back. Dallas was tired and it showed in their lack of effort.

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 01:52 AM
:facepalm:

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

kblo247
01-04-2010, 01:52 AM
lol

dallas fans go nuts when they beat LA a couple months back.. was as if they won the championship

lakers OWN dallas today n still we feel no need to make much of this.. dallas isnt a team we need to worry much about

BTW next time u complain about playing without a player.. check out the other teams roster.. no artest, no gasol and no walton.
howard is a nobody compared to artest or gasol. so dont complain son

On this current Mavs team he would be equal to Luke starting as Walton is always good for 11/5/5 when starting

MTar786
01-04-2010, 02:01 AM
Walton is only averaging 10 mpg, why did you even mention him?

By the way this game came off the 2nd night of a back to back. Dallas was tired and it showed in their lack of effort.

ok.. so no howard and u guys were on a back to back..
any more excuses u might want to add?

MTar786
01-04-2010, 02:03 AM
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

are u face palming yourself cuz u only realised now how dumb it sounds that u are comparing howard to gasol? or are u just facepalming urself cuz of the 30+ point loss?

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 02:21 AM
I'm talking about overall career wise, Howard has posted the same, if not better ppg as Gasol as the 2nd option.

Howard: PPG 15.5 / 45.7FG %
Gasol: PPG 18.8 / 52.1FG %

These are the stats for both players careers. What do you have to say now?

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 02:27 AM
Howard: PPG 15.5 / 45.7FG %
Gasol: PPG 18.8 / 52.1FG %

These are the stats for both players careers. What do you have to say now?

Gasol was the first option almost all of his career in Memphis. Howard has been the 2nd-4th option. In the past 3 seasons Howard has averaged more ppg than Gasol as the 2nd option.

DODGERS&LAKERS
01-04-2010, 02:28 AM
Come on now guys, it's one meaningless win in January. There is no need to gloat about it. Mavs fans might of done that, but every fan base gets excited when their team beats the champs. It only counts as one win. We only need to worry about being healthy come playoff time. Nothing else.

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 02:35 AM
Gasol was the first option almost all of his career in Memphis. Howard has been the 2nd-4th option. In the past 3 seasons Howard has averaged more ppg than Gasol as the 2nd option.

Stop making excuses man. According to what you posted earlier...


Of course, Howard is better offensively.

Stop trying to now twist it. If you like, post a thread on the NBA forum with a poll, on who is better offensively Howard or Gasol or anything else. See who gets the majority vote.

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 02:41 AM
Stop making excuses man. According to what you posted earlier...



Stop trying to now twist it. If you like, post a thread on the NBA forum with a poll, on who is better offensively Howard or Gasol or anything else. See who gets the majority vote.

Look kid, I've had this argument probably 5 times since I've been on this site and everyone other than Laker homers agree. When Howard is healthy and getting minutes he is bound for 20ppg as the 2nd option.

Last 3 seasons as 2nd option in Dallas:

18.9 ppg
19.9 ppg
18.0 ppg

Gasol's last 3 seasons as the 2nd option in LA:

18.9
18.9
18.8

ARMIN12NBA
01-04-2010, 02:47 AM
Look kid, I've had this argument probably 5 times since I've been on this site and everyone other than Laker homers agree. When Howard is healthy and getting minutes he is bound for 20ppg as the 2nd option.

Last 3 seasons as 2nd option in Dallas:

18.9 ppg
19.9 ppg
18.0 ppg

Gasol's last 3 seasons as the 2nd option in LA:

18.9
18.9
18.8

:laugh2: @ the simplistic notion that PPG=everything you need to know about offense.

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 02:47 AM
Look kid, I've had this argument probably 5 times since I've been on this site and everyone other than Laker homers agree. When Howard is healthy and getting minutes he is bound for 20ppg as the 2nd option.

Last 3 seasons as 2nd option in Dallas:

18.9 ppg
19.9 ppg
18.0 ppg

Gasol's last 3 seasons as the 2nd option in LA:

18.9
18.9
18.8

Oh oh I see, we are changing it up. We are changing it up from whos better offensively in the past 3 seasons right? BTW I ain't no kid, in fact, you may be the kid who actually thinks Howard is better then Gasol. I highly doubt anyone would say Howard is better then Gasol offensively. I'd say about 95% would say Gasol, the other 5 are Mavs homers. Post a thread amigo, lets see was PSD say. And if you do, don't sugar coat it. Put what you said earlier in saying "Howard is better than Gasol offensively" and nothing else. Don't forget to post a poll.:)

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 02:48 AM
:laugh2: @ the simplistic notion that PPG=everything you need to know about offense.

Yeah, its funny how he didn't even post both players field goal %

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 02:58 AM
lol @ only Laker homers replying to my posts. hahahahaha.

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 03:01 AM
lol @ only Laker homers replying to my posts. hahahahaha.

Stop trying to change the subject.

kblo247
01-04-2010, 03:05 AM
Ignore him as he couldn't man up for a sig bet let alone man up and say Howard can't lace Pau's shoes on the court on either end

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 03:05 AM
Stop trying to change the subject.

I'm not changing the subject, your posts are rediculous. You just assume Gasol is the better offensive player without factoring everything in.

I'm done arguing with a bunch of Laker homers. See you Jan.13 in Dallas.

ARMIN12NBA
01-04-2010, 03:07 AM
Yeah, its funny how he didn't even post both players field goal %

I don't even care about FG%. I am talking all-around offense which also includes passing and the ability to read and react to defenses. Pau is just a much, much better all-around offensive basketball player.

still1ballin
01-04-2010, 03:08 AM
I'm not changing the subject, your posts are rediculous. You just assume Gasol is the better offensive player without factoring everything in.

I'm done arguing with a bunch of Laker homers. See you Jan.13 in Dallas.

LOL you can't even spell ridiculous right and you say my posts are? Why is that? Explain? What? You don't want to debate because you have nothing else to say? You say that you have argued on this topic before with people non Laker homers, well, post that thread as I said, prove it to me that you are not lying.

As explain to me when you say "factoring in"

kblo247
01-04-2010, 03:09 AM
I'm not changing the subject, your posts are rediculous. You just assume Gasol is the better offensive player without factoring everything in.

I'm done arguing with a bunch of Laker homers. See you Jan.13 in Dallas.

Like what:

Post Game
Jumper
Foot Work
Using both hands
Passing
Reading defenses

ARMIN12NBA
01-04-2010, 03:23 AM
Like what:

Post Game
Jumper
Foot Work
Using both hands
Passing
Reading defenses

^ Pau wins in every category. The dude has a damn solid to good left hand which only adds to his offensive repertoire.

MTar786
01-04-2010, 03:46 AM
I'm not changing the subject, your posts are rediculous. You just assume Gasol is the better offensive player without factoring everything in.

I'm done arguing with a bunch of Laker homers. See you Jan.13 in Dallas.

Does your whole life revolve around dallas playing LA? we dont care about jan 13th.. we care about our next game.

Guys dont try to argue with mavrix. he's the biggest joke on PSD. he claims things and then changes and twists things up when you prove him wrong. this guy thought the mavs were going to be the number 1 rebounding team in the NBA.. hahahah what a joke this guy is. Then he claims dirk is one of the top rebounding players in the league :facepalm:

LakerKB24Fan
01-04-2010, 04:22 AM
I'm not changing the subject, your posts are rediculous. You just assume Gasol is the better offensive player without factoring everything in.

I'm done arguing with a bunch of Laker homers. See you Jan.13 in Dallas.

Didn't you lose some kind of sig bet with some raptors fan? how come you didn't change your sig?

Fool
01-04-2010, 10:20 AM
lol @ only Laker homers replying to my posts. hahahahaha.

lol at a Mavericks fan calling all Lakers fans homers, when in fact he's just hating. hahahhahahahhahahhahahhahhaha.

Gibby23
01-04-2010, 11:37 AM
Look kid, I've had this argument probably 5 times since I've been on this site and everyone other than Laker homers agree. When Howard is healthy and getting minutes he is bound for 20ppg as the 2nd option.

Last 3 seasons as 2nd option in Dallas:

18.9 ppg
19.9 ppg
18.0 ppg

Gasol's last 3 seasons as the 2nd option in LA:

18.9
18.9
18.8

Well, Gasol has only been in LA for almost 2 full years. You also forgot to mention that in the last 2 years as the 2nd option gasol has been to 2 finals and won the Championship last year. He is also the 2nd option right now on the team with the best record in the NBA and a team that has not lost 3 straight games since he has been in LA.

#1Mavericksfan
01-04-2010, 11:58 AM
Wow Lakers homers are all jumping on 1 Mavs fan why am I'm not suprised, the Fakers always beat teams on coming off a back to back game so I'm not even suprised the Fakers won this game, if Damp would have played the game would have not been a blow because Gooden can't guard the Lakers bigs but Damp would have put up a better fight, so Fakers fans enjoy this win and I hope the Fakers bring the same kind of game to Dallas.

Gibby23
01-04-2010, 12:12 PM
Wow Lakers homers are all jumping on 1 Mavs fan why am I'm not suprised, the Fakers always beat teams on coming off a back to back game so I'm not even suprised the Fakers won this game, if Damp would have played the game would have not been a blow because Gooden can't guard the Lakers bigs but Damp would have put up a better fight, so Fakers fans enjoy this win and I hope the Fakers bring the same kind of game to Dallas.

The Mavs are nowhere close to the Lakers. Like I said before, the Lakers will be 10 plus games ahead of the Mavs when the season ends. Already 5 ahead with more than half the season to go.

DirkIsTheBest
01-04-2010, 12:16 PM
Does your whole life revolve around dallas playing LA? we dont care about jan 13th.. we care about our next game.

Guys dont try to argue with mavrix. he's the biggest joke on PSD. he claims things and then changes and twists things up when you prove him wrong. this guy thought the mavs were going to be the number 1 rebounding team in the NBA.. hahahah what a joke this guy is. Then he claims dirk is one of the top rebounding players in the league :facepalm:

agreed. mavrix is in love with josh howard:puke:.

Fool
01-04-2010, 12:22 PM
Wow Lakers homers are all jumping on 1 Mavs fan why am I'm not suprised, the Fakers always beat teams on coming off a back to back game so I'm not even suprised the Fakers won this game, if Damp would have played the game would have not been a blow because Gooden can't guard the Lakers bigs but Damp would have put up a better fight, so Fakers fans enjoy this win and I hope the Fakers bring the same kind of game to Dallas.

:laugh: have fun being blown out again in dallas.

RaptorsFanatic
01-04-2010, 04:25 PM
My prediction was correct, my two favourite teams, Raptors and Lakers won!

LanceUpperCut
01-04-2010, 04:53 PM
Wow These post are making me hate the lakers and the Mavs and I use to like them both. Lakers try to be a little humble about one win and Dallas stop with the stupid excuses come on. Dallas was off just like LA against Cleveland all teams have great nights and all have **** nights.

Mavrix
01-04-2010, 09:09 PM
LOL you can't even spell ridiculous right and you say my posts are? Why is that? Explain? What? You don't want to debate because you have nothing else to say? You say that you have argued on this topic before with people non Laker homers, well, post that thread as I said, prove it to me that you are not lying.

As explain to me when you say "factoring in"I don't care how "ridiculous" is spelled and I don't need a spelling lecture on a sports forum. I'm not gonna go dig through threads I never started (almost impossible to track down specific posts) just to prove you wrong. As far as factoring in goes, you can't judge someones offense based off career PPG. for one, Gasol was the first option in Memphis 3 years ago which is why he got a couple of 20 ppg seasons. If you're going to compare 2 players you have to factor in wheather that player was the first/second/third option on his respective team. Gasol plays close to the basket and most of his buckets come off of put backs which results in a high FG%. Howard on the other hand is a slasher and jump shooter with the ability to shoot the 3 which results in an obvious lower FG%. As I said before, both players as the second option get similar ppg, with Howard's being slightly higher.


Does your whole life revolve around dallas playing LA? we dont care about jan 13th.. we care about our next game.

Guys dont try to argue with mavrix. he's the biggest joke on PSD. he claims things and then changes and twists things up when you prove him wrong. this guy thought the mavs were going to be the number 1 rebounding team in the NBA.. hahahah what a joke this guy is. Then he claims dirk is one of the top rebounding players in the league :facepalm:I haven't been proven wrong. I did say Dallas was going to be the number 1 rebounding team (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401480) in the NBA and was close, the Mavs are top 5. If you click the link you will be redirected to the thread I made in the offseason, I said Dallas would be first and LA would be second and most people agreed. LA is first and Dallas is 5th, that's a pretty close prediction if you ask anyone with a fully functional brain. If you also look back in that thread, I said that Dirk was one of the best rebounding PF's in the league, not one of the best. :facepalm:

By the way, reading over that thread, I just realized who you are. You're the worst debater on this site, and your lack of basketball knowledge is evident.


Didn't you lose some kind of sig bet with some raptors fan? how come you didn't change your sig?

I did, it's there.


Well, Gasol has only been in LA for almost 2 full years. You also forgot to mention that in the last 2 years as the 2nd option gasol has been to 2 finals and won the Championship last year. He is also the 2nd option right now on the team with the best record in the NBA and a team that has not lost 3 straight games since he has been in LA.

Why are you bringing up 2 finals and a championship? That's irrelevant to this discussion. Obviously if you have #24 on your team as the first option you're going to have a good chance at getting to the finals. Trade Dirk for Kobe and Dallas would instantly be better than LA. No Kobe = No playoffs for LA, Gasol or not.

RaptorizedKevin
01-05-2010, 01:53 AM
I don't care how "ridiculous" is spelled and I don't need a spelling lecture on a sports forum. I'm not gonna go dig through threads I never started (almost impossible to track down specific posts) just to prove you wrong. As far as factoring in goes, you can't judge someones offense based off career PPG. for one, Gasol was the first option in Memphis 3 years ago which is why he got a couple of 20 ppg seasons. If you're going to compare 2 players you have to factor in wheather that player was the first/second/third option on his respective team. Gasol plays close to the basket and most of his buckets come off of put backs which results in a high FG%. Howard on the other hand is a slasher and jump shooter with the ability to shoot the 3 which results in an obvious lower FG%. As I said before, both players as the second option get similar ppg, with Howard's being slightly higher.

I haven't been proven wrong. I did say Dallas was going to be the number 1 rebounding team (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401480) in the NBA and was close, the Mavs are top 5. If you click the link you will be redirected to the thread I made in the offseason, I said Dallas would be first and LA would be second and most people agreed. LA is first and Dallas is 5th, that's a pretty close prediction if you ask anyone with a fully functional brain. If you also look back in that thread, I said that Dirk was one of the best rebounding PF's in the league, not one of the best. :facepalm:

By the way, reading over that thread, I just realized who you are. You're the worst debater on this site, and your lack of basketball knowledge is evident.



I did, it's there.



Why are you bringing up 2 finals and a championship? That's irrelevant to this discussion. Obviously if you have #24 on your team as the first option you're going to have a good chance at getting to the finals. Trade Dirk for Kobe and Dallas would instantly be better than LA. No Kobe = No playoffs for LA, Gasol or not.

chill out. your calling laker fans hommers? when ur a homer urself? why dont yu change ur sig, yu lost to a raptor homer LOL. cant live up to ur words g?

Cubs Win
01-05-2010, 02:19 AM
chill out. your calling laker fans hommers? when ur a homer urself? why dont yu change ur sig, yu lost to a raptor homer LOL. cant live up to ur words g?

I guess he can't. He just can't man up.

#1Mavericksfan
01-05-2010, 10:56 AM
The Mavs are nowhere close to the Lakers. Like I said before, the Lakers will be 10 plus games ahead of the Mavs when the season ends. Already 5 ahead with more than half the season to go.

Hold on when did you say "the Mavs where nowhere close to the Lakers" you Lakers homer?...I don't remember you saying nothing like that after the Mavs beat the Lakers down in the first game and now you wonna say it....man please and I see why you think the Lakers are gonna be 10 games ahead of Dallas with that easy schedule Stern had made for his cash cow Lakers.

#1Mavericksfan
01-05-2010, 10:59 AM
:laugh: have fun being blown out again in dallas.

Fall back Lakers homer....and LOL if you think the Mavs are gonna play the same way in Dallas with a few days rest and Damp to guard Bynum this time.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 11:20 AM
Hold on when did you say "the Mavs where nowhere close to the Lakers" you Lakers homer?...I don't remember you saying nothing like that after the Mavs beat the Lakers down in the first game and now you wonna say it....man please and I see why you think the Lakers are gonna be 10 games ahead of Dallas with that easy schedule Stern had made for his cash cow Lakers.

I said it right after the Mavs beat the Lakers. I said the Lakers would be 10 plus games ahead of the Mavs by the end of the season, and so far so good with a 5 game lead.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 11:26 AM
Hold on when did you say "the Mavs where nowhere close to the Lakers" you Lakers homer?...I don't remember you saying nothing like that after the Mavs beat the Lakers down in the first game and now you wonna say it....man please and I see why you think the Lakers are gonna be 10 games ahead of Dallas with that easy schedule Stern had made for his cash cow Lakers.

Easy schedule. The Mavs are the team that has lost to Houston 2 times, the Warriors, the Grizz, the Wiz, a shorthanded Portland team, and the Hornets.

#1Mavericksfan
01-05-2010, 11:31 AM
I said it right after the Mavs beat the Lakers. I said the Lakers would be 10 plus games ahead of the Mavs by the end of the season, and so far so good with a 5 game lead.

Well you must have said in the Lakers forum because I don't remember seeing you say that in the main NBA forum, oh and of course that Lakers are gonna have a 5 game lead I mean with that easy schedule in all....and I could care less if the Mavs don't get the #1 sead the #2 or #3 sead is fine with me and I want all the pressure to be all on the Lakers come playoff time.

#1Mavericksfan
01-05-2010, 11:33 AM
Easy schedule. The Mavs are the team that has lost to Houston 2 times, the Warriors, the Grizz, the Wiz, a shorthanded Portland team, and the Hornets.

How many road games have the Lakers played?....as a matter of fact have many title contenders have they played?

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 11:37 AM
Well you must have said in the Lakers forum because I don't remember seeing you say that in the main NBA forum, oh and of course that Lakers are gonna have a 5 game lead I mean with that easy schedule in all....and I could care less if the Mavs don't get the #1 sead the #2 or #3 sead is fine with me and I want all the pressure to be all on the Lakers come playoff time.

The pressure has been on the Lakers for 2 years now and they have done a pretty good job (see the ring in my avatar).

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 11:38 AM
How many road games have the Lakers played?....as a matter of fact have many title contenders have they played?

The only title contenders the Lakers have played was the Cavs and Denver and the Lakers lost.

#1Mavericksfan
01-05-2010, 11:43 AM
The only title contenders the Lakers have played was the Cavs and Denver and the Lakers lost.

I rest my case.....I'm done.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 11:48 AM
I rest my case.....I'm done.

Just like the Mavs will be in the 1st or 2nd round.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 12:15 PM
chill out. your calling laker fans hommers? when ur a homer urself? why dont yu change ur sig, yu lost to a raptor homer LOL. cant live up to ur words g?

Chill out? I'm debating, where in that post do you see me calling someone a Lakers homer? You're the one that needs to "chill out".

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 12:53 PM
What the hell does that have to do with anything I posted on the previous page? Get your head out of your ***, stop being arrogant and give me a logical response to everything I just wrote.

And yes, I did own all of you, which is to why I still haven't gotten a decent response.

Ok. You say Josh Howard is a better 2nd option than Gasol (he isn't). You say Josh Howard is a better Offensive Player than Gasol (he isn't)

Gasols Offensive rating the last 3 years in LA as the 2nd option
2009-2010 123
2008-2009 126
2007-2008 128 for the time in LA and 119 for the year combined

Gasols FG% over the last 3 years in LA
2009-2010 55.2%
2008-2009 56.7
2007-2008 58.9 for the time in LA

Gasols Offensive rebounds
2009-2010 3.5
2008-2009 3.2
2007-2008 2.3 for the time in LA

Gasols assists
2009-2010 3.4
2008-2009 3.5
2007-2008 3.5 for the time in LA

Gasols PPG
2009-2010 16.8
2008-2009 18.9
2007-2008 18.8

Gasols Offensive Win Shares
2009-2010 2.4
2008-2009 9.8
2007-2008 6.4

Howards Offensive rating
2009-2010 96
2008-2009 106
2007-2008 111

Howards FG%
2009-2010 39.7%
2008-2009 45.1%
2007-2008 45.5%

Howards Offensive rebounds
2009-2010 0.8
2008-2009 1.1
2007-2008 1.6

Howards assists
2009-2010 1.4
2008-2009 1.6
2007-2008 2.2

Howards PPG
2009-2010 13.2
2008-2009 18.0
2007-2008 19.9

Howards Offensive Win Shares
2009-2010 -0.1
2008-2009 1.5
2007-2008 4.8
Howard is better in 1 offensive category in 1 year 2007-2008 ppg. Howard has also been getting worse each year in every single stat.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Ok. You say Josh Howard is a better 2nd option than Gasol (he isn't). You say Josh Howard is a better Offensive Player than Gasol (he isn't)

Gasols Offensive rating the last 3 years in LA as the 2nd option
2009-2010 123
2008-2009 126
2007-2008 128 for the time in LA and 119 for the year combined

Gasols FG% over the last 3 years in LA
2009-2010 55.2%
2008-2009 56.7
2007-2008 58.9 for the time in LA

Gasols Offensive rebounds
2009-2010 3.5
2008-2009 3.2
2007-2008 2.3 for the time in LA

Gasols assists
2009-2010 3.4
2008-2009 3.5
2007-2008 3.5 for the time in LA

Gasols PPG
2009-2010 16.8
2008-2009 18.9
2007-2008 18.8

Gasols Offensive Win Shares
2009-2010 2.4
2008-2009 9.8
2007-2008 6.4

Howards Offensive rating
2009-2010 96
2008-2009 106
2007-2008 111

Howards FG%
2009-2010 39.7%
2008-2009 45.1%
2007-2008 45.5%

Howards Offensive rebounds
2009-2010 0.8
2008-2009 1.1
2007-2008 1.6

Howards assists
2009-2010 1.4
2008-2009 1.6
2007-2008 2.2

Howards PPG
2009-2010 13.2
2008-2009 18.0
2007-2008 19.9

Howards Offensive Win Shares
2009-2010 -0.1
2008-2009 1.5
2007-2008 4.8
Howard is better in 1 offensive category in 1 year 2007-2008 ppg. Howard has also been getting worse each year in every single stat.

You can't count this year, it hasn't even been half a season yet and both players have been injured. Also Howard plays 10 less minutes per game because he's working his way back from an injury. Obviously if you play 10 less minutes you're going to score less. I also didn't say Howard was the better second option, just a better offensive player the past 3 seasons (not counting this season obviously) so don't put words in my mouth. And obviously your stats are going to decrease when your team keeps adding on to it's depth (Marion, Gooden, Thomas, Barea is getting a lot more minutes, etc.) And as I explained in my last post (if you actually took the time to read it instead of skimming) Pau gets most of his baskets from put backs and he plays around the rim (plays the 5 sometimes). Howard is a slasher/jump shooter that can hit the 3. Your FG% is obviously going to be less when you play different positions and have different games. It's like comparing Duncans FG% to Kobe's...Duncans is obviously going to always be better, does that mean he's better offensively? Hell no.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 04:20 PM
You can't count this year, it hasn't even been half a season yet and both players have been injured. Also Howard plays 10 less minutes per game because he's working his way back from an injury. Obviously if you play 10 less minutes you're going to score less. I also didn't say Howard was the better second option, just a better offensive player the past 3 seasons (not counting this season obviously) so don't put words in my mouth. And obviously your stats are going to decrease when your team keeps adding on to it's depth (Marion, Gooden, Thomas, Barea is getting a lot more minutes, etc.) And as I explained in my last post (if you actually took the time to read it instead of skimming) Pau gets most of his baskets from put backs and he plays around the rim (plays the 5 sometimes). Howard is a slasher/jump shooter that can hit the 3. Your FG% is obviously going to be less when you play different positions and have different games. It's like comparing Duncans FG% to Kobe's...Duncans is obviously going to always be better, does that mean he's better offensively? Hell no.
So if you take this year out and do 2008-2009, 2007-2008, and 2007-2006, Pau has had a higher ppg average 2 out of 3 years, better offensive rating all 3 years, better offensive rebounder all 3 years, better FG% all 3 years, and has averaged more assists than Howard every year of his career and Pau is a big man. he gets 2 or 3 assists per game more than Howard. pau is better in every category except 3 point %. Pau has also had more offensive win shares than Howard in every year of his career.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 04:36 PM
So if you take this year out and do 2008-2009, 2007-2008, and 2007-2006, Pau has had a higher ppg average 2 out of 3 years, better offensive rating all 3 years, better offensive rebounder all 3 years, better FG% all 3 years, and has averaged more assists than Howard every year of his career and Pau is a big man. he gets 2 or 3 assists per game more than Howard. pau is better in every category except 3 point %. Pau has also had more offensive win shares than Howard in every year of his career.

Wrong. Gasol only averaged .9 of a point more in ONE season. Howard averaged a point more in one season and they tied in ppg in another season. Why are you talking about rebounds again? We're talking about offense, obviously Gasol is going to get more rebounds as a 4/5. FG% is all on the position for the LAST time. Duncan has a higher FG% then Kobe, does that make him better offensively? When you're getting all those put backs and playing by the basket as a PF/C your FG% is going to be higher than a SF who slashes and shoots the 3. And again talking about assists which is totally irrelevant to my argument.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 04:47 PM
Wrong. Gasol only averaged .9 of a point more in ONE season. Howard averaged a point more in one season and they tied in ppg in another season. Why are you talking about rebounds again? We're talking about offense, obviously Gasol is going to get more rebounds as a 4/5. FG% is all on the position for the LAST time. Duncan has a higher FG% then Kobe, does that make him better offensively? When you're getting all those put backs and playing by the basket as a PF/C your FG% is going to be higher than a SF who slashes and shoots the 3. And again talking about assists which is totally irrelevant to my argument.

2008-2009
Gasol 18.9 ppg Howard 18 ppg (Gasol Wins)
Gasol 9.8 Offensive win shares Howard 1.5 offensive win shares (Gasol wins)

2007-2006
Gasol 18.9 ppg Howard 19.9 ppg (Howard wins)
Gasol 6.4 Offensive win shares Howard 4.8 offensive win shares (Gasol wins)

2006-2007
Gasol 20.8 ppg Howard 19.4 ppg (Gasol Wins)
Gasol 5.4 Offensive win shares Howard 5.0 offensive win shares (Gasol wins)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarjo01.html

Whay are assists irrelevant? Is it because Howard hasn't ever avaraged over 2.2 assists per game in any year? Assists are a big part of offensive, and Gasol kills Howard in that department alon with the stats above. Howard isn't better on offensive, and it's not close.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 05:14 PM
2008-2009
Gasol 18.9 ppg Howard 18 ppg (Gasol Wins)
Gasol 9.8 Offensive win shares Howard 1.5 offensive win shares (Gasol wins)

2007-2006
Gasol 18.9 ppg Howard 19.9 ppg (Howard wins)
Gasol 6.4 Offensive win shares Howard 4.8 offensive win shares (Gasol wins)

2006-2007
Gasol 20.8 ppg Howard 19.4 ppg (Gasol Wins)
Gasol 5.4 Offensive win shares Howard 5.0 offensive win shares (Gasol wins)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarjo01.html

Whay are assists irrelevant? Is it because Howard hasn't ever avaraged over 2.2 assists per game in any year? Assists are a big part of offensive, and Gasol kills Howard in that department alon with the stats above. Howard isn't better on offensive, and it's not close.In 06-07 Gasol averaged 20.8 as a FIRST option. What do assists have to do with a players personal offense?

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 05:19 PM
In 06-07 Gasol averaged 20.8 as a FIRST option. What do assists have to do with a players personal offense?

Assists are an offensive stat. Without assists Jason Kidd wouldn't be a good offensive player.

Gasols stats from 06-07 to now are pretty consistent. We are talking about the last 3 years and you want to take this year and 06-07 out to give Howard an edge and Gasol still is a far better offensive player, even by taking years out. Like Lebrons shirt "Check My Stats". The stats don't lie, even if you keep taking years out. This year Howard isn't that good at all.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 05:21 PM
Assists are an offensive stat. Without assists Jason Kidd wouldn't be a good offensive player.

Jason Kidd isn't a good offensive player and never has been lol. Assists are a contribution to your teams offense not personal offense.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 05:26 PM
Jason Kidd isn't a good offensive player and never has been lol. Assists are a contribution to your teams offense not personal offense.

:facepalm:

Why is it that players like Kidd, Nash, Cp3, and D will can get a high assist number every year no matter who they are playing with? Assists are a personal offensive stat like steals and blocks are a personal stat for D.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 05:49 PM
:facepalm:

Why is it that players like Kidd, Nash, Cp3, and D will can get a high assist number every year no matter who they are playing with? Assists are a personal offensive stat like steals and blocks are a personal stat for D.

Because they're all great passers? :facepalm:

And steals/blocks don't really account for how good a player is defensively. Stats like blocks, steals, fg%, 3pt% only go so far when describing a players offense/defense.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 06:00 PM
Because they're all great passers? :facepalm:

And steals/blocks don't really account for how good a player is defensively. Stats like blocks, steals, fg%, 3pt% only go so far when describing a players offense/defense.

So, how is Howard a better offensive player than Gasol? You have no stats to back up what you are saying. Howards PPG have only been higher than Gasol 1 thime in Howards career. Gasol is better at everything on offense every year. Howard has Gasol in PPG in 07-08 year, but that was the only time in his career he had a better offensive stat than Gasol. You could take the last 3 years, first 3 years, or the middle 3 years and the result will be Gasol coming out on top.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 06:13 PM
So, how is Howard a better offensive player than Gasol? You have no stats to back up what you are saying. Howards PPG have only been higher than Gasol 1 thime in Howards career. Gasol is better at everything on offense every year. Howard has Gasol in PPG in 07-08 year, but that was the only time in his career he had a better offensive stat than Gasol. You could take the last 3 years, first 3 years, or the middle 3 years and the result will be Gasol coming out on top.

Were not talking about careers, were talking about the period of time spent being the 2nd option of the team. Gasol beat Howard once by .9, Howard beat Gasol once by a point.

Howard's 3 seasons as the 2nd option averages out to 18.93 ppg
Gasol's 2 seasons as the 2nd option averages out to 18.85 ppg

It's close, but Howard is better offensively as the 2nd option.

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 06:26 PM
Were not talking about careers, were talking about the period of time spent being the 2nd option of the team. Gasol beat Howard once by .9, Howard beat Gasol once by a point.

Howard's 3 seasons as the 2nd option averages out to 18.93 ppg
Gasol's 2 seasons as the 2nd option averages out to 18.85 ppg

It's close, but Howard is better offensively as the 2nd option.

Then we include this year and Gasol blows Howard away. PPG is not the only aspect of Ofense. Gasol has higher Offensive win shares every year, is way more efficient, has a higher PER, and is better at getting others involved on offense. You can make a poll and Gasol would kill Howard.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 06:51 PM
Then we include this year and Gasol blows Howard away. PPG is not the only aspect of Ofense. Gasol has higher Offensive win shares every year, is way more efficient, has a higher PER, and is better at getting others involved on offense. You can make a poll and Gasol would kill Howard.

Did you forget the part where Gasol averages 10 more mpg? :facepalm:

I don't give a damn about a damn poll. Gasol would win off of reputation and because he's more liked around the league then Howard. And the fact that there's a hell of a lot more Laker fans on this site than Maverick fans would distort the results. Let me also throw in the fact that Gasol averaged more mpg in those 2 seasons as a 2nd option behind Kobe, so it's not even close. Argue with me all you want, but the numbers don't lie.

Cubs Win
01-05-2010, 06:59 PM
Not manning up to losing your bet yet Mavrix?

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 07:00 PM
Did you forget the part where Gasol averages 10 more mpg? :facepalm:

I don't give a damn about a damn poll. Gasol would win off of reputation and because he's more liked around the league then Howard. And the fact that there's a hell of a lot more Laker fans on this site than Maverick fans would distort the results. Let me also throw in the fact that Gasol averaged more mpg in those 2 seasons as a 2nd option behind Kobe, so it's not even close. Argue with me all you want, but the numbers don't lie.

They don't. Thats why Howard has a FG% at 39.7% and a -0.1 offensive win shares (that means he isn't really helping the team on offense). Compared to Gasol and his 2.4 win shares (that means he has contributed 2.4 wins to the lakers based on his offense).

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 07:59 PM
Not manning up to losing your bet yet Mavrix?

What's with your obsession with my sig? I already told you it's there, it's just not in black font. It's not in white font either.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 08:02 PM
They don't. Thats why Howard has a FG% at 39.7% and a -0.1 offensive win shares (that means he isn't really helping the team on offense). Compared to Gasol and his 2.4 win shares (that means he has contributed 2.4 wins to the lakers based on his offense).

You and I both know that Laker/Mavs wins don't come on the offensive end, it's defense that does it in both Carlisle and Jackson's systems so stop with the win share B.S. We don't even need to be discussing this season, Howard is working his way back from 2 ankle surgeries and he's finally starting to show signs of improvement.

still1ballin
01-05-2010, 09:51 PM
They don't. Thats why Howard has a FG% at 39.7% and a -0.1 offensive win shares (that means he isn't really helping the team on offense). Compared to Gasol and his 2.4 win shares (that means he has contributed 2.4 wins to the lakers based on his offense).

LOL dude just stop arguing with this kid. He has no logic. If he wants to think Howard is better than Gasol offensively then let him, but he is alone on that one. Debating with him is just a waste of time.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 10:16 PM
LOL dude just stop arguing with this kid. He has no logic. If he wants to think Howard is better than Gasol offensively then let him, but he is alone on that one. Debating with him is just a waste of time.

You're a waste of bandwidth on this website. I proved him wrong with facts, and if you can't see that then you lack a brain.

Why don't you back up all that **** talking with some logic as to why you think Gasol is better?

Edit: There's no point in arguing with Laker homers, they're always gonna think they're right depite facts and statistics. :facepalm:

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 10:38 PM
You're a waste of bandwidth on this website. I proved him wrong with facts, and if you can't see that then you lack a brain.

Why don't you back up all that **** talking with some logic as to why you think Gasol is better?

Edit: There's no point in arguing with Laker homers, they're always gonna think they're right depite facts and statistics. :facepalm:

Show me some facts and stats. You have non and just bring up PPG for 1 season.

Slimsim
01-05-2010, 10:38 PM
Well Gasol Help Lakers when another Championship While Howard almost got traded For admitting He smokes Weed.

ManRam
01-05-2010, 10:40 PM
Is someone really saying Howard is better than Pau offensively?

JNA17
01-05-2010, 10:44 PM
Is someone really saying Howard is better than Pau offensively?

spongebob and patrick said it best about people from texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvkjewgF8GQ&feature=related

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 10:59 PM
:cool:
Show me some facts and stats. You have non and just bring up PPG for 1 season.

Don't try and discredit everything I threw at you. You're just to arrogant to accept the fact that I'm right.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 11:02 PM
Is someone really saying Howard is better than Pau offensively?

As a second option, yup. Don't be lazy, go back and view all the stats. Howard averages more ppg in less mpg as a second option.

Mavrix
01-05-2010, 11:03 PM
spongebob and patrick said it best about people from texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvkjewgF8GQ&feature=related

This kid watches SpongeBob. :pity:

JNA17
01-05-2010, 11:22 PM
This kid watches SpongeBob. :pity:

once again, a kid from a backward state thinks another person still watches a show from nick because of one video.

Then again i would love to watch the old spongebob episodes, they were still funny :D

Gibby23
01-05-2010, 11:23 PM
As a second option, yup. Don't be lazy, go back and view all the stats. Howard averages more ppg in less mpg as a second option.

He also shot the ball 3 and 4 more times than Gasol in the 2 seasons you are talking about.

Cubs Win
01-05-2010, 11:32 PM
What's with your obsession with my sig? I already told you it's there, it's just not in black font. It's not in white font either.

Do you think it's not a ***** thing to do?

Mavrix
01-06-2010, 01:05 AM
He also shot the ball 3 and 4 more times than Gasol in the 2 seasons you are talking about.

Obviously? His FG% is lower as a result from it, we already discussed this.

Mavrix
01-06-2010, 01:05 AM
Do you think it's not a ***** thing to do?

No because it's there.

Damn you're so ****ing annoying. Get off my damn nuts.

Cubs Win
01-06-2010, 01:10 AM
No because it's there.

Damn you're so ****ing annoying. Get off my damn nuts.

:facepalm: You just have some growing up to do little guy, that's all.

Mavrix
01-06-2010, 01:17 AM
:facepalm: You just have some growing up to do little guy, that's all.

Lol I'm a little guy now. You're funny child. Stop annoying me, you're like a ****ing bee on a golf course that won't go away.

kblo247
01-06-2010, 01:23 AM
Obviously? His FG% is lower as a result from it, we already discussed this.

So in fact he isn't better as he wasn't more efficent, let alone was he better at the things I listed.

Go sit down and live in your fantasy world kid :facepalm:

Mavrix
01-06-2010, 01:29 AM
So in fact he isn't better as he wasn't more efficent, let alone was he better at the things I listed.

Go sit down and live in your fantasy world kid :facepalm:

You get 4 out of 5 facepalms for that sir:

{:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :)}

Your *** is just too lazy to read previous posts.

Here i'll help your lazy *** out.


FG% is all on the position for the LAST time. Duncan has a higher FG% then Kobe, does that make him better offensively? When you're getting all those put backs and playing by the basket as a PF/C your FG% is going to be higher than a SF who slashes and shoots the 3. And again talking about assists which is totally irrelevant to my argument.

Next time take the time to read instead of posting without knowing and making yourself look stupid.

kblo247
01-06-2010, 01:38 AM
You get 4 out of 5 facepalms for that sir:

{:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :)}

Your *** is just too lazy to read previous posts.

Here i'll help your lazy *** out.



Next time take the time to read instead of posting without knowing and making yourself look stupid.

You do the same as Josh does none of the following better than Pau:

Post Game
Jumper
Foot Work
Using both hands
Passing
Reading defenses

All of that pertains to being the better offensive player

Mavrix
01-06-2010, 01:55 AM
You do the same as Josh does none of the following better than Pau:

Post Game
Jumper
Foot Work
Using both hands
Passing
Reading defenses

All of that pertains to being the better offensive player

Howards jumper > Gasol's jumper
How would you know Gasol's footwork is better, I guarantee that you haven't seen Howard's footwork closely
Passing has nothing to do with personal offense
Howard uses both hands
Gasol is a 4/5, obviously he's been more experienced in the post where most of his game is played

kblo247
01-06-2010, 02:07 AM
Passing has to do with being an offensive player as you need to see the court and read defenses to get the best shot

Pau has a better mid-range j than Howard by far.

Using both hands and being better than Pau at using your right and left to score are two different things

You are a lost cause so I'm done talking to you, until you can man up and at least keep a sig bet