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fairandbalanced
01-01-2010, 06:56 PM
I have no idea why the treads about Arenas and his teammate is closed. Can we please be free to talk about thing we want to talk about? I personally think a lot of moderators are abusing their power and if you continue this behaviour, there will be no one left on PSD.

Back on topic,
The league is investigating whether Arenas had accessed any of his unloaded firearms while engaged in the dispute prior to a team practice at the Verizon Center on Dec. 21.

The District of Columbia has stringent gun laws that prohibit the carrying of weapons, openly or concealed.

Both players could be subject to penalties and fines.

This story is getting bigger and bigger, it's front page on Foxnews and it's receiving national attention. David Stern will be forced to punish them harshly to prove to the public that he cares about the NBA's image.

JDizzle
01-01-2010, 07:00 PM
probably big big fine... and suspension.. life ban seems a lil crazy. another wizards season in the *******

ink
01-01-2010, 07:03 PM
I have no idea why the treads about Arenas and his teammate is closed. Can we please be free to talk about thing we want to talk about? I personally think a lot of moderators are abusing their power and if you continue this behaviour, there will be no one left on PSD.


Hardly. Racism is not allowed on PSD. Period. That's why one thread was closed. Your other thread was closed because we only needed one thread on the topic.

fairandbalanced
01-01-2010, 07:06 PM
Hardly. Racism is not allowed on PSD. Period. That's why one thread was closed. Your other thread was closed because we only needed one thread on the topic. And we don't need these slanted, unbalanced threads from you all the time man.


:facepalm:

I am actually fair and balanced mane

fairandbalanced
01-01-2010, 07:09 PM
this will be close in 5 minutes

NO, unless we decide to act immature. INK actually has a solid point, no need to bring racism or bias into general forum threads.

ink
01-01-2010, 07:13 PM
:facepalm:

I am actually fair and balanced mane

OK I'll take that back to some extent, but we've talked about this in the past.

Let's move on and get back to Arenas and Crittenton. The forum should be able to talk about the incident without getting into racist generalizations. It's a pretty pathetic incident, and you're right that Stern will have to do something to make it clear how far over the line they just went.

bal_ravens
01-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Couple of games suspended. Unloaded guns, nobody hurt, happened over a month ago. I need proof of this happening! Videos of them holding up their I.Ds while the actions are occurring.

Trouble87
01-01-2010, 07:19 PM
I voted for hefty fine

although a situation like this should garner a hefty fine and 20+ game suspension

behavior like that is inexcusable and will lead to worse things if it's not dealt with

ManRam
01-01-2010, 07:25 PM
I vote other. A hefty suspension, not lifetime. A large fine too.

bal_ravens
01-01-2010, 07:28 PM
Oops, didnt see the suspensions for couple of games. That is what I wanted to choose.

azkarraga
01-01-2010, 07:36 PM
If this is not a life ban, what is?

Besides, life ban is what the wizard need.

theimortalone
01-01-2010, 07:38 PM
suspension for 20-30 games and a hefty fine.

ManRam
01-01-2010, 07:44 PM
If this is not a life ban, what is?

Besides, life ban is what the wizard need.

Shooting someone in the locker room is a lifetime ban. Not drawing unloaded guns. Again, I think the league will make a huge statement, but not a lifetime ban...not at all.

RocketsRule
01-01-2010, 07:46 PM
Shooting someone in the locker room is a lifetime ban. Not drawing unloaded guns. Again, I think the league will make a huge statement, but not a lifetime ban...not at all.

Agreed, the harshest punishment would be a suspension for the rest of the season, but even that seems highly unlikely.

ink
01-01-2010, 07:47 PM
The league also has to balance how much they want to punish the players with how much they want to punish the Wizards. Whether Arenas is a plus or a minus to his team on the court, it's still a big loss to any team to lose one of their starters for an extended period. Salary cap relief perhaps?

loudif31
01-01-2010, 07:49 PM
If there is proof or witnesses then it has to be a lifetime ban. Anything less is ridiculous. We are talking about pulling a gun on a teammate. Regardless if the guns were loaded, or if it "was meant as a joke" - and I'm sure we will hear all about this kind of stuff in the coming days, if guns were pulled they need to be gone.

Gators123
01-01-2010, 07:53 PM
Life ban. Thugs don't deserve to make millions.

steveshane67
01-01-2010, 07:54 PM
wheres the option for voting for something in between suspension of a couple of games and life ban? i mean theres a HUGE HUGE differences between those two options.

anyways, as i alluded to in an earlier thread, if both hibachi and crittendon knew the guns were unloaded, then they might as well pulled out bananas at each other. while i dont condone their actions, ppl are WAY WAY overreacting.

i only wished ppl would get this up in arms over stuff that actually matters.

Gators123
01-01-2010, 08:05 PM
And I cant believe some people think they shouldn't be punished at all. I don't know Where you guys work but if I pulled a gun at my Job I would be fired and put in jail. Just because they are famous and make millions doesn't mean they shouldn't have to suffer the consequences.

ink
01-01-2010, 08:13 PM
wheres the option for voting for something in between suspension of a couple of games and life ban? i mean theres a HUGE HUGE differences between those two options.

fairandbalanced, this is an example of what I was talking about. The fair option would be to say:

- couple of games
- lengthy suspension
- suspended for the season
- suspended for life

I made those changes in the poll after a few people requested them.

If Sprewell got a season long suspension for choking his coach, what's the standard for pulling a gun on a teammate in the locker room?

JerzeyFresh
01-01-2010, 08:13 PM
They should be put in jail for a long time and banned from the league for life. They put themselves and alot of other people in harm, this is a terroristic threat and they should never play another professional basketball game again

bal_ravens
01-01-2010, 08:15 PM
If I post pictures of me smoking pot on facebook or such, I could be fired. Yet people like Michael Beasley can get away with it?

Being a celeb does make a difference, like it or not. People are way more forgiving.

Cliff Robinson knocked the crap out of a female officer, Melo was caught with weed twice, Chris Webber assaulted two cops and had weed in his car. Allen Iverson assaulted his wife and pretty much hunted her down with his guns.

Pretty sure most of these people were back in the league. So enough with the ban talking.

ManRam
01-01-2010, 08:15 PM
Yeah. Sprewell physically harmed a coach. That's worse than this I think.

I think they'll think about that when they issue their penelties.

Kakaroach
01-01-2010, 08:18 PM
Shooting someone in the locker room is a lifetime ban. Not drawing unloaded guns. Again, I think the league will make a huge statement, but not a lifetime ban...not at all. These are my thoughts too. They didn't fire, but I wanna see a season-long ban without pay.

Alwaysballin247
01-01-2010, 08:30 PM
My guess is they will be suspended for the rest of the season with no pay

Yankee Lifer
01-01-2010, 08:52 PM
I say Life Ban. I definatly am a type of person who feels people should be given another chance but a gun is unacceptable. He is a public figure who has a lot of kids that idolize him.
I actually own a gun and feel that athletes if worthy ofcourse should have carrying permits because they need a little extra protection. I also feel that they should not be able to carry into there work or practice facility because the security provided should be enough. He obviously was either planning on useing it or trying to make someone think he would use it and either of those are unacceptable in the situation that accured.
I dont want my son idolizing a wanna be thug and thats how he acted. He for sure is Agent ZERO.

BlondeBomber41
01-01-2010, 08:59 PM
Season long suspension.

IndyFan
01-01-2010, 09:01 PM
given the suspensions handed out in the sprewell and brawl in the palace, i would expect the suspension to be between the rest of the season and a whole year. the suspensions will be without pay, but the wiz will still have to pay the money and will not get any salary cap relief. the league [ie the CBA] doesn't give the team any relief in long suspensions. to avoid suspending players solely to get cap space.

the only way the WAS can get out from under the contract is arenas getting arrested and convicted. then the contract could be voided for conduct detrimental or improper behavior. then the contract is gone and so is the salary cap hit.

:)

magichatnumber9
01-01-2010, 09:07 PM
If there's proof they could get locked up for 3-5.

DisturbedFTW83
01-01-2010, 09:15 PM
they had guns in the locker room? no place is safe damn, i guess malice at the palace spooked agent ZERO.. either way, i chose lengthy suspension. the whole year without pay sounds reasonable. no way should a celebrity be flaunting a gun (loaded or unloaded). especially one's who kids idolize.

smith&wesson
01-01-2010, 09:25 PM
If i get caught with a gun, im getting time plain and simple. how are these guys any different ?? other then they are role models so if anything a bigger example needs to be made of them. do i want my kid looking up to a dumb a$$whole ?? no i dont. as a fan i would really like to see these guys get banned. what message does it send to kids if these guys get a slapp on the wrist ... it sends the mesage that you can walk around with a gun and get away with it.

gilbert man i used to be a fan of yours. now i think your just a wankster. a real g wouldnt pull a strap over stupidness and then not even use it. thats a bltch move

nstojic
01-01-2010, 09:25 PM
"No soup for you!! come back, 1 year"

suspend their dumb ***** for a season. If I brought a gun to work, I'd be canned on the spot and the police would be involved...there's no place for this kind of thug crap in society, let alone, pro sports...

mervinout
01-01-2010, 09:29 PM
Plax anybody, yes his gun was loaded, but still nyc made an example of him, if plax is going to get the book thrown at him they should too. NO guns allowed in the arena should be held with a zero tolerance.

smith&wesson
01-01-2010, 09:30 PM
fairandbalanced, this is an example of what I was talking about. The fair option would be to say:

- couple of games
- lengthy suspension
- suspended for the season
- suspended for life

I made those changes in the poll after a few people requested them.

If Sprewell got a season long suspension for choking his coach, what's the standard for pulling a gun on a teammate in the locker room?



They deserve jail time plain and simple.

HouRealCoach
01-01-2010, 09:32 PM
Suspended for season... I use 2 Luv Arenas WTF happened?

smith&wesson
01-01-2010, 09:35 PM
And I cant believe some people think they shouldn't be punished at all. I don't know Where you guys work but if I pulled a gun at my Job I would be fired and put in jail. Just because they are famous and make millions doesn't mean they shouldn't have to suffer the consequences.

Exactly, If they are a hazard to society they need to learn a lesson. and an example should be made so other players no better then to start waiving guns and keeping them in the locker room. what happends if a fight breaks out ? guys run back to the locker room for theyre straps ?? absolutley ridiculous.

ink
01-01-2010, 09:44 PM
They deserve jail time plain and simple.

:laugh2:

Says the guy whose username (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Smith_&_Wesson_9mm_Model_SW9VE.jpg) is the name of a gun.

blazerman
01-01-2010, 09:47 PM
These hoodrats need to keep that crap away from the game that has allowed these bums the quality of life they get to live, ban for season if not more.

Kids see they're bball hero's doing this stuff and think it's ok 4 them to act like thugs if somebody owes them some money. Worse yet maybe someone on a losing team decides to shoot someone on the other team just because they lost the game or because the guy fouled him hard or celebrated in his face.

Suspend these type of fools longterm and why would Arenas welch on a bet the dude is makes 20 million a yr, that is so weak. I hope the whole Cavs team makes that hoe of a girlfriend squeal next time they they play in DC. I didnt think you could be unhappy with a 150 mil plus in the bank, you'd think that kinda money would keep a women satisfied all by itself, damn Gil's women must really be a sluuut.

Poor Gil has it so bad with NBA star status, Mega money and healthy children (well Shaq and Tigers kids are healthy anyway), I just lost all respect for that bum. Crittenton is just as stupid as Arenas too.

INMETSITRUST
01-01-2010, 10:02 PM
:laugh2:

Says the guy whose username (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cc/Smith_&_Wesson_9mm_Model_SW9VE.jpg) is the name of a gun.

So what if his screen name is smith&wesson. Smith&Wesson isn't the name of a gun it's the name of a gun manufacturer. It doens't mean that he condones violence with a gun and he obviously doesn't support what happend in the locker room. I think they both need lifetime bans. This has nothing to do with them being role models. This has to do with they drew weapons on each other in a locker room. How is anyone on that team suppose to feel safe after anything like this. LIFETIME BAN and if they don't ban them for life they need to be searched before entering the locker room from now on. That is after being suspended for the rest of the year with no pay.

ink
01-01-2010, 10:20 PM
So what if his screen name is smith&wesson.

It's a joke man. Relax. :cheers:

INMETSITRUST
01-01-2010, 10:23 PM
It's a joke man. Relax. :cheers:

I'm cool, it's cool :cool:

TheShock45
01-01-2010, 10:27 PM
If this is not a life ban, what is?

Besides, life ban is what the wizard need.

getting two technical fouls only to get into a fight with your teammates, coaches and refs and then while being escorted out of the areana you take off all your clothes and taunt the crowd, only to realize later on in life you need basketball in your life so you dress up like a woman and play in the wnba for the charlotte banshee's and learn the values of hardwork, teamwork and discipline

umh34
01-01-2010, 10:31 PM
Life ban!! are you kidding me. thats jail time for multiple years. thats insane.

nstojic
01-01-2010, 10:56 PM
It's a joke man. Relax. :cheers:


I'm cool, it's cool :cool:


let's settle this NBA style :guns::guns::guns::D

fairandbalanced
01-01-2010, 11:25 PM
let's settle this NBA style :guns::guns::guns::D

:facepalm:

S.J.Basketball
01-01-2010, 11:37 PM
I vote other. This is an obvious attempt to change the team name back to the Washington Bullets.

barreleffact
01-01-2010, 11:44 PM
These hoodrats need to keep that crap away from the game that has allowed these bums the quality of life they get to live, ban for season if not more.

Kids see they're bball hero's doing this stuff and think it's ok 4 them to act like thugs if somebody owes them some money. Worse yet maybe someone on a losing team decides to shoot someone on the other team just because they lost the game or because the guy fouled him hard or celebrated in his face.

Suspend these type of fools longterm and why would Arenas welch on a bet the dude is makes 20 million a yr, that is so weak. I hope the whole Cavs team makes that hoe of a girlfriend squeal next time they they play in DC. I didnt think you could be unhappy with a 150 mil plus in the bank, you'd think that kinda money would keep a women satisfied all by itself, damn Gil's women must really be a sluuut.

Poor Gil has it so bad with NBA star status, Mega money and healthy children (well Shaq and Tigers kids are healthy anyway), I just lost all respect for that bum. Crittenton is just as stupid as Arenas too.

you sound ignorant from your second word and then YOU bring up kids. what if kids read tht they would think its ok to speak that way? good thing kids dont read! they dont read newspapers and they dont watch the news. sure kids will find out but they wont see it live and they werent around. in trith kids see worse things from their parents and families every day. kidd beat his wife, jordan punched teammates, refs gamble on games, shaq fathered gilberts kids, dirks wife beats him. is any of that ok? no. neither is this but its not such a huge ordeal either. the weapons were unloaded. they shouldnt hae been there but it was registered in virginia at least.

and thats low to bring up his baby momma. thats very very low. you have no idea what he goes thru everyday. yes hes rich...and he EARNED his money regardless of how much it is he played to get it and worked even when nobody thought anything of him at all. so just because hes a hard working man he should b ok that his lover cheats? that she cheated with a rival no less. and that the kids he wakes up to evryday might be shaqs? he didnt deserve that and thats a very mind altering ego shattering personality changing situation. udk his stress. well maybe you do because its amplified by the fact that it isnt a private event anymore.

anyway, the nba should make a statement. season long ban. nothing less. look into it for legal matters to find out if the guns are registered and if they dont comply then suspend them longer.
you people go overboard talkin bout o if 2 playes fight one might get a gun, or he might shoot the crowd, or the cavs should gangbang gils girl. pathetic. 2 ppl handling affairs in the wrong way but still inbetween the only 2 ppl involved is one thing. yall try to make them sound like malicous murderers, fiends, etc

BADKNEES
01-02-2010, 12:51 AM
Suspend them for the season...no pay
Make their return conditional upon anti-gun PSA campaign
If they broke the law, they should and probably will be prosecuted.

effen5
01-02-2010, 12:57 AM
Remember they were gambling as well and you know how stern feels about that with the whole tim donaghy situation, and bring and pulling a gun gives you jail time...they easily deserve a life ban and jail time as well.

BADKNEES
01-02-2010, 01:19 AM
Remember they were gambling as well and you know how stern feels about that with the whole tim donaghy situation, and bring and pulling a gun gives you jail time...they easily deserve a life ban and jail time as well.

Great point effen

It will be disappointing if the league merely slaps them on the wrist for this stunt. The message sent would make the league look worse than it already does.

TheShock45
01-02-2010, 01:24 AM
we allready know the nba players do bad things haha that was proven when chris anderson got suspended two years for drug use and everyone was like damnnnnnnn he must of done something REAL serious cause everyone allready knew most of the players (and coaches) were potheads.

we've had druguse, gambling, half the league gets no attendence and now they are pulling guns out on each other haha yea the nba just keeps getting better and better

1-800-STFU
01-02-2010, 01:25 AM
Those stiff penalties sure are going to hurt once their assses get them. They'll be sore tomorrow.

HesterTrain
01-02-2010, 01:39 AM
I just saw on ESPN how if they are convicted could face up to 5 years minimum in prison. If Plaxico Burress was sent to jail for gun charges. Both of these guys should go to Jail.

barreleffact
01-02-2010, 01:49 AM
plaxico burress had a loaded weapon that discharged....in public! VERY different scenario

Ray_R
01-02-2010, 01:55 AM
If I was theWizards ill be pushing for the League to give him a life time Ban. That would most likely give them the right to rip up his contract and let them start over. Face it Wizards made a dumb move by giving Arenas that Awful contract. THey cant trade him becuase no one wants him.

barreleffact
01-02-2010, 02:02 AM
did anyone make the wiz offer that contract? that would be the ultimate low blow from the franchise basicly saying theyd **** on any player

Giantwarrior
01-02-2010, 02:17 AM
Washington DC law: Brandishing a firearm/gun outside of the home is a felony charge and punishable up to 5 years in prison.

arenas and critt screwed up big time.

i say out for season and possible jail time up to a year.

Giantwarrior
01-02-2010, 02:20 AM
I just saw on ESPN how if they are convicted could face up to 5 years minimum in prison. If Plaxico Burress was sent to jail for gun charges. Both of these guys should go to Jail.

different states have different laws...dummy

C'mon Man !

KobeIs
01-02-2010, 02:22 AM
i'm expecting a big fine, them not being payed and a long suspension.

effen5
01-02-2010, 02:39 AM
plaxico burress had a loaded weapon that discharged....in public! VERY different scenario

No its not a different scenario....

Plax was charged with one count of weapons possession and one count of Reckless Endangerment.

Reckless Endangerment:


Reckless endangerment is a crime consisting of acts that create a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person. The accused person isn't required to intend the resulting or potential harm, but must have acted in a way that showed a disregard for the foreseeable consequences of the actions. The charge may occur in various contexts, such as, among others, domestic cases, car accidents, construction site accidents, testing sites, domestic/child abuse situations, and hospital abuse. State laws and penalties vary, so local laws should be consulted.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/reckless-endangerment/


It also doesn't matter that the guns were not loaded....the point is, it is illegal to have a gun outside your home...


If there are any PSD lawyers here, and I am incorrect, could you please correct me?

Jonathan2323
01-02-2010, 02:41 AM
only arenas and crittenten could've defended little nate tonight

blazerman
01-02-2010, 02:45 AM
you sound ignorant from your second word and then YOU bring up kids. what if kids read tht they would think its ok to speak that way? good thing kids dont read! they dont read newspapers and they dont watch the news. sure kids will find out but they wont see it live and they werent around. in trith kids see worse things from their parents and families every day. kidd beat his wife, jordan punched teammates, refs gamble on games, shaq fathered gilberts kids, dirks wife beats him. is any of that ok? no. neither is this but its not such a huge ordeal either. the weapons were unloaded. they shouldnt hae been there but it was registered in virginia at least.

and thats low to bring up his baby momma. thats very very low. you have no idea what he goes thru everyday. yes hes rich...and he EARNED his money regardless of how much it is he played to get it and worked even when nobody thought anything of him at all. so just because hes a hard working man he should b ok that his lover cheats? that she cheated with a rival no less. and that the kids he wakes up to evryday might be shaqs? he didnt deserve that and thats a very mind altering ego shattering personality changing situation. udk his stress. well maybe you do because its amplified by the fact that it isnt a private event anymore.

anyway, the nba should make a statement. season long ban. nothing less. look into it for legal matters to find out if the guns are registered and if they dont comply then suspend them longer.
you people go overboard talkin bout o if 2 playes fight one might get a gun, or he might shoot the crowd, or the cavs should gangbang gils girl. pathetic. 2 ppl handling affairs in the wrong way but still inbetween the only 2 ppl involved is one thing. yall try to make them sound like malicous murderers, fiends, etc

Im ignorant, man your the ignorant one if you think that what Arenas and Crittenton did is ok and say "people like me go way overboard' for saying what I said.

Every game I go to their is security to make sure that people dont bring weopons into the arena and it pisses me off that these two players brought guns into an arena, when the NBA strictly forbids it. I have a 5yr old son that I take to games quite often and if it was a Blazer that did that I'd have gone off even worse. I dont give a **** if the guns were registered or not it's illegal to bring them into an arena regardless of if there loaded or not.

I highly doubt both guns were unloaded, who's dumb enough to pull an unloaded gun on somebody, I know if my life is being threatened with a gun, I'd make sure my is loaded if I felt my life is in danger and I'd use it too.

I dont care how depressed Arenas is about the kid thing because after seeing how he is so willing to pull a gun on somebody, I wouldnt be surprised if he is an abuser in some form or another to his women.

Oh yeah only a coward pulls a gun on somebody in the first place over something like that, they need to handle beefs with their fists if violence is what they think is neccasary, somebody will take a few lumps but at least you both live to see another day. And what kind of father is Arenas if he wants to pull guns on somebody he owes money too anyway, what the hell does that say about what kind of father he is if he is so willing to pull a gun on another person over a debt. Im not sure how old his kids are but when kids see or hear about something they're parents do they think if my daddy did that it must be ok, happens all to often and you know it.
And yeah I called him a hoodrat because that's what he is, I grew up on a reservation and it was as violent as any getto or anywhere else for that matter and I fought almost daily not because I wanted to( I couldnt just say no, I dont want to fight, anybody who knows something about tough hoods will tell you you never show fear or backdown from anyone regardless if you want to fight or not) and never once did I feel the need to pull a gun on somebody because I lost a fight. My son will know all about what is right and wrong and my son also lives good because of my ability to get down (div 1 wrestling scholarship back in the day) and it allowed me to get my degree and get myself off that reservation and provide a better life for me and my family (I dont handle disputes with violence unless it is neccasary but back growing up I didnt have that choice). Get your facts straight before you run your mouth.

I was joking about Arenas' hoe of a girlfriend anyway( sorry if that offended you, my bad and yes it was rude but this subject doesnt sit well with me) but it wouldnt surprise me one bit if she did. This is a thread to speak your mind on the subject of Arenas and Crittenton and they're dumb *** squabble that they had to resort to gun violence to solve, they're both weak punks shoulda caught a beatdown from teammates for even attempting to pull guns in a small lockerroom with 12 or more guys. Who's to really say those guns werent loaded, sounds like damage control to me. And all this over an illegal bet anyway, Im just surprised they're teammates didnt do something to them for jepordizing they're safety in the lockerroom.

You sound like a public defender by the way (well at least they werent loaded and they were probably registered, haha that was just stupid) man they had them in an illegal place and by pulling them they endangered everybody around them, Im sure they're teammates wifes and kids didnt appreciate those two clowns pulling guns in a small room where there husband and father were getting dressed.