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ManRam
12-23-2009, 06:26 PM
I love Bill. Great read here.

Whole article here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/091223&sportCat=nba



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The short-term point: We're headed for a particularly feverish trading season. Heading into Christmas, I can't remember a longer list of teams that absolutely have to make a move for one of three reasons:

Group A: To save money and/or shed cap space for next season (and the next two to three seasons).
Group B: To get something for a franchise player before he flees in free agency.
Group C: To give away a top-shelf player as a way to shed an unpalatable contract or three.

And we have Group D: Boston, Dallas, Cleveland, Miami, Houston, Portland and the Lakers … or as they're more commonly known, "The Teams That Can't Wait To Take Advantage Of Someone In Group A, B or C." I am including Miami despite its nightly Monet painting; the Heat have $50-plus million in expiring contracts for panic trades in case Dwyane Wade plays the "I don't want to waste another season in my prime, I'm leaving in July for Chicago or New York if you don't get me some help for the 2010 playoffs" card. Which, by the way, should be happening within the next five weeks. There's only so many times you can kick it to Mario Chalmers for a wide-open three and watch it clang off the rim.

So where do we stand? Let's figure out the identity of the sellers, along with their payroll situations and free advice from the VP of Common Sense and Picasso of the ESPN Trade Machine. (By the way, both nicknames are mine. I can't have enough nicknames. I'm like Apollo Creed.) All projected 2010-11 payrolls do not have salaries for 2010 draft picks factored in, obviously.

(Important note: I am excluding the Nets, who are being sold right now to Mutant Russian Mark Cuban and won't do anything major before February. I'm also excluding Utah, which jumped the gun on me by shedding cap space in the deal with the Zombie Sonics: Matt Harpring's expiring contract and impressive rookie Eric Maynor for nothing. How dare you jump the gun on my column, Utah! You couldn't have waited a day?)

New York Knicks (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $83.1 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $27.3 million

• The VP's Take: They need to clear $18 million of Eddy Curry/Jared Jeffries contracts before next summer's LeBron Sweepstakes, either by trade or by spiking their Gatorade with heroin. The second move would be a criminal act; the first move could only happen if they threw their last two lottery picks (Danilo Gallinari AND Jordan Hill) into the trade (or trades). They need to carve out $45-48 million in cap space so they can lure LeBron, Bosh and either Wade or Joe Johnson as The Ultimate Big Three. Everything else will take care of itself.

• Mitigating Factor: Knicks GM Donnie Walsh has been offering Al Harrington around for ECs (expiring contracts), then insisting the other team takes Curry or Jeffries as well. Gee, thanks, Donnie! Really, you're throwing one of them in for me free of charge? How nice of you! He's the annoying guy in your fantasy league whose e-mails you finally just start deleting. Donnie, you need to get a little more realistic. And soon.

• The VP's Verdict: Trade! Trade! I am thinking something like this …

Fake Trade 1a: Gallinari, Curry and $3 million to Minnesota for the Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal ECs. Basically, Minnesota would be paying $10 million next year to get Gallinari for 2011, 2012 and 2013. Total financial commitment: $23 million. Isn't a lottery pick and potential 50-40-90 percentage guy worth $23 million over three years (just $9 million for the last two), especially for a team stupidly playing the "we're waiting for Ricky Rubio, so tuck yourself in and enjoy three years of losing and misery!" card? Of course.

Fake Trade No. 1b: Jeffries, Hill and $3 million to Sacramento for Kenny Thomas' EC. Same principle, less money: You just bought a lottery pick for the price of Jeffries' 2010-11 contract ($6.5 million, and by the way, he's a valuable defender). The same offer could work for the Nets (Bobby Simmons), Zombie Sonics (Etan Thomas) and Blazers (Steve Blake/Travis Outlaw). Someone will bite.

Back to the Knicks: Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas did so much damage to that franchise that, really, there's a certain symmetry in them emerging from the 2000s without keeping a single lottery pick thanks to the aforementioned two trades. But if they cleared the decks completely, couldn't they seduce LeBron with the offer of building his own franchise from scratch in America's biggest city -- the metropolis where basketball matters the most, in a market he could potentially own like no New York athlete since Namath, in one of the two cities that would respect his privacy and allow him to pursue all the non-basketball things he wants to pursue -- and put himself on the map for eternity as the guy who saved basketball in New York City? Anyone can win a title. Not anyone can own New York for a few years.

Look, I change my mind on this topic almost every month. I have no idea how it will play out. None. I just know the Knicks have a chance to offer LeBron James something that nobody else has ever been offered in sports history: A blank canvas and unlimited resources for a potential top-10 player of all time who is just hitting his prime to build his own All-Star team. It's unprecedented. If Gallinari and Hill have to be sacrificed to make it happen, you do it. You don't even think twice.

Milwaukee Bucks (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $68.3 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $51.6 million

• VP's Advice: Need a contender to bite on Michael Redd's contract ($35M remaining through 2011), and if that team is stupid enough to take Dan Gadzuric's contract as well ($14M through 2011), even better. It's the Jennings/Bogut Era now. A surprisingly fun one, by the way. Who knew?

• Mitigating Factor: None. Although it would help if Gadzuric showed a pulse for the first time in five years. I wish NBA teams could motivate players the same way I motivate my daughter during the holiday season. Wait, do you want me to tell Santa that you did that? I'm talking to him tomorrow! I'm going to tell him that you did that!

• VP's Verdict: Wait six weeks. If Redd heats up, they might be able to rope Cleveland into a "Shaq for Redd/Gadzuric" panic trade. Regardless, they're under the tax, and more importantly, people give a crap about basketball in Wisconsin again. Two 2009 lottery picks revived NBA franchises … and neither of them were named "Griffin" or "Rubio"? Flabbergasting.

Golden State Warriors (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $65.9 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $52.1 million

• VP's Take: No plan, no identity, and no idea what they're doing. All bets are off. They might be dumb enough to use Anthony Randolph (a top-10 talent among the under-25 guys, even if he's a little nuts) or Andris Biedrins to get someone to bite on Corey Maggette's contract ($40 million remaining through 2013). Let's hope not. They should be building around Randolph, Biedrins, Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry and giving them the lion's share of minutes.

• Mitigating Factor: It wouldn't shock me if they dealt Randolph, Biedrins, Ellis and Curry in the same trade. It also wouldn't shock me if Don Nelson coached a game naked from the waist down, or if their devoted fans organized the first-ever boycott of a professional sports team that actually worked. Can an entire franchise get Tyson Zone status?

(Random note: One of my favorite movies growing up was called "Inside Moves." It's about a lovable bar of cripples and sad sacks in San Francisco. The bartender is a Warriors season-ticket holder who had a promising basketball career derailed by a bum knee. I won't spoil the ending for you, but it's important to note that when this movie was being made, somebody asked, "Who should be the favorite team for the gimp bartender? Wait, I got it … the Warriors!" And this was 1980. At least with the Clippers, you can blame Donald Sterling for their problems. Who do you blame for three-plus decades of Warriors dysfunction? I mean, other than God?)

• VP's Verdict: Don't trade, G-State. But if you do, here's an idea …

Fake Trade No. 2 (three-way): Tracy McGrady's EC to the Knicks; Randolph, Eddy Curry and Cuttino Mobley's EC to Houston; Gallinari to the Warriors. New York wipes Curry off the books. Houston takes a $10 million hit next year for a chance to hit superstar pay dirt with Randolph. Golden State gets something for Randolph before he inadvertently sabotages his trade value for good by crying during all five games of a road trip. And Gallinari realizes his destiny as a NellieBaller. Everyone wins.

(Well, except for the Warriors fans. They always lose. It's just the rule. I have no doubt that Anthony Randolph can only fail for Golden State, and I have no doubt that he will come back to haunt them somewhere else. Maybe they're better off just keeping him and continuing to destroy him mentally until he goes Sprewell on someone. Or as Don Nelson calls it, "Plan A.")

Indiana Pacers (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $66.9 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $65.7 million (OVER)

• VP's Take: The Pacers should be a small-market team that pays one big star (in this case, Danny Granger) and a bunch of scrappy role players. Right now, they're in no-man's land -- destined to win 35 to 42 games a year, with no chance of growing into something better than that. Why not just bottom out? Like what David Kahn tried to do in Minnesota, only not as clumsy and caked in double-talk.

• Mitigating Factor: Any "bottoming out" needs to include the team dumping Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy and/or T.J. Ford (making $60.3 million combined through 2011). On the Untradeable Scale from 1 to Gilbert Arenas, Murphy is a 2, Dunleavy is a 6.5 (because of knee issues) and T.J. Ford is an 8.

• VP's Verdict: Move those Dunleavy/Murphy contracts while they're in uniforms and not street clothes or walking casts. For example …

Fake Trade 3a: Murphy and Dunleavy to Cleveland for Shaq's EC. Love the Murphy fit for Cleveland because he can shoot threes and rebound; they could play him, Varejao, LeBron, West and Williams at crunch time. Anything Dunleavy gives them is a bonus. For Indiana, they can buy out Shaq (saving a couple of million), then save another $23 million next season. And you thought professional basketball couldn't be salvaged in Indiana! Let's celebrate by hitting a local strip club and firing gunshots into the air. What, too soon?

Fake Trade 3b: Murphy, Dunleavy and Travis Diener to Utah for Andrei Kirilenko, Kosta Koufos and Kyle Korver's EC. Admittedly, this trade makes no sense -- I just wanted to break the record for "most white guys in an all-white trade."

Minnesota Timberwolves (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $64.3 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $37.9 million

• VP's Take: The only "seller" not worth discussing -- they have almost $23 million in expiring contracts to play with, but it would be crazy for them to add 2010-11 payroll when they aren't going anywhere and have made it VERY clear that they don't care for two years. Word on the street is that they won't even discuss Rubio trades with other teams. That's amazing. Look, there is no bigger Rubio fan than me. But he's not a sure thing. This isn't like waiting for Larry Bird to finish his 1978-79 Indiana State season … and even worse, it's two seasons and potentially three. If you're a floundering NBA doormat struggling to generate revenue, and you just spent the past 10 years proving to your fan base that they shouldn't have faith in the decision-making for the team, can you really play the "Just Be Patient" card?

Being a Wolves fan is like sitting in an airport gate waiting for news on a delayed flight. Do you think we'll take off today? Any word yet? Only it's going to be like that for the next two years. At least.

(You know what would be really funny? Minnesota ending up with the No. 1 pick next spring. Again, I love Rubio … but John Wall is a sure thing. He's a cross between Dwyane Wade and Derrick Rose. You keep Wall over Rubio 100 times out of 100. Watching David Kahn sheepishly shop Rubio's rights a year late would be high comedy. Look, we still love Ricky, this doesn't change how we feel about him. But when you have a chance to add Rudy Fernandez and Nicolas Batum to your team, you have to do it.)

Charlotte Bobcats (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $67.0 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $59.8 million

• VP's Take: I don't mind watching these guys. They play hard, they're well-coached and Gerald Wallace's rebounding binge ranks up there with Kevin Porter being a four-time assist leader and E.C. Coleman making first-team All-Defense as one of the most random NBA things that's ever happened. If they upgraded Boris Diaw ($27 million through 2012), they might even be a mildly frisky Round 1 opponent. On the flip side, they're leading the league in Monets and paying $50.5 million combined through 2011 to Tyson Chandler, DeSagana Diop and Nazr Mohammed … or as they're more commonly known, "50.5 Million That We Should Have Just Set On Fire."

(Important note: Did you know DeSagana Diop will earn $7.342 million just for the 2012-13 season? I think the Mark Cuban Big Man Scholarship Fund is my favorite NBA charity. The NBA really DOES care.)

• Mitigating Factor: Larry Brown is permanently wired in "short-term right now we gotta fix this and get better!" mode, only they're getting destroyed financially and can only hope to win 37 to 40 games (good enough to make the playoffs in the crappy Eastern Conference, but still).

• VP's Verdict: Go for it this year and tank long-term. For example …

Fake Trade 4a: Diaw, D.J. Augustin and Gerald Henderson to Phoenix for Amar'e Stoudemire and Taylor Griffin (cap throw-in). Charlotte satiates Brown's short-term competitive disorder, gets a 20-point scorer AND gets out of Diaw's deal. If Amar'e leaves after the season, so be it. Phoenix saves $6 million (including the tax), adds two young assets and gets something for Amar'e. One danger: Nash pulls a "BROOKS WAS HERE" in his hotel room when he hears about the trade. Otherwise, I like it.

Fake Trade 4b: Chandler and Wallace to the Clippers for Marcus Camby, Al Thornton and the Rasual Butler/Ricky Davis ECs. Camby is a one-year upgrade on Chandler who replaces Wallace's rebounding; Thornton/Butler could replace Wallace's scoring; and the deal saves Charlotte $3 million-plus this year, then another $20 million next year. Again, have you seen their home games? They hosted Detroit on Tuesday and it looked like it was "Get Your Own Row Night."

L.A. Clippers (group A)

2009-10 payroll: $59.7 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $39.0 million

• VP's Take: A frontcourt logjam looming with Blake Griffin coming back soon. Can't mess with his minutes. He's a stud. That means trading Chris Kaman (near impossible) or getting something for Marcus Camby (expiring this summer) while he's healthy. And if they save money, that's a bonus. Remember, they're owned by the cheapest man alive.

• Mitigating Factor: Mike Dunleavy doesn't see it that way, explaining their decision to keep Camby like this: "When you have a stock that's going up, you don't want to sell it. When it's going down, nobody wants to buy it. So we just want to freeze, do nothing and continue to suck the soul from our fans." Fine, I made the last sentence up. He said the other two, though.

• VP's Verdict: Camby's stock WILL go down. Time to sell. Right now. Today. We even have the perfect suitor: the Trail Blazers, who tragically lost both of their centers in a four-week span. What about …

Fake Trade 5: Camby to Portland for the Outlaw/Blake ECs and the rights to Victor Claver (Portland's 2009 No. 1, currently stashed in Europe). Pretty good haul for the dirt-cheap Clips -- they end up with a $4.5 million profit swing and a highly regarded European for someone who was leaving anyway.

(Important note: If the Clips had a real owner, they'd be shopping Kaman and offering the rights to Minnesota's 2011 pick to get it done, just to clear cap space for LeBron and another big-ticket free agent this summer. Sadly, Donald Sterling's skills lie in housing discrimination, not owning a basketball team. Too bad.)

Memphis Grizzlies (group B)

2009-10 payroll: $54.4 million
Projected 2010-2011 payroll: $47.4 million

• The VP's Take: Can you have a feel-good season when you're 13-15? Apparently so. Like always with the Grizzlies, there's a problem looming: Rudy Gay (playing well) has moved into the deadly Iguodala Zone for non-franchise players who will get overpaid, and even worse, start believing this makes them a franchise player. You don't want to shell out $75 million for Rudy if you're doing everything short of passing a hat around at home games like the Grizzlies. It might make more sense to flip Rudy and dump Marko Jaric's contract ($14.7M through 2011) in the deal. Repeat: might.

• Mitigating Factor: Chris Wallace is in charge. Open the window, pour a glass of reason and toss it out the window.

• VP's Verdict: I say keep the Gay-Mayo Era going through the spring, then hope Rudy gets attached to playing on what has become an immensely fun Grizzlies team. If he isn't feeling it, sign-and-trade him in July. Don't panic now. Do you hear me, Guy Who Traded Pau Gasol Three Weeks Before The 2008 Trade Deadline? DON'T PANIC NOW.

Toronto Raptors (group B)

2009-10 payroll: $68.2 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $47.5 million (not counting Chris Bosh's $17.1 million player option for 2010)

• VP's Take: As I wrote last July, there's nothing more dangerous than a GM worried about his job who dumps the team's long-term interests to protect the short-term. Everything Bryan Colangelo did last summer screamed, "I need to keep my job!!!" Now the Raptors are hamstrung with an overpaid, below-.500 roster that doubles as the worst defensive team of this decade -- seriously, what did they think would happen when Jose Calderon, Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani were three of the team's best four guys? -- and Chris Bosh seems like a mortal lock to leave. You can't do the Frank Drebin Memorial "Please disperse, nothing to see here, please disperse" routine. Raptors fans are too smart. They get it.

• Mitigating Factor: By dealing Bosh, Colangelo would be effectively saying, "I made some mistakes, we need to press the RESET button and start over." Translation: "Fire me, I deserve it." Since nobody would ever sabotage their own job like that, he will probably keep Bosh, make a smaller trade and pray things turn around. If they don't, the Raptors will get nothing for him. Not fair to the Raptor Truthers. At all.

• VP's Verdict: Bosh doesn't have nearly as much trade value as Chris Paul because he's obviously fleeing in six months. Still, they should be using him to retool and dump the Marcus Banks/Reggie Evans ECs ($9.8 million owed in 2011). A trade like Bosh, Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks to Houston for T-Mac, Luis Scola, a 2010 No. 1 pick and $3 million makes a little sense, but Colangelo would never do it. He'd be better off keeping Bosh and making believe he might stay. One scenario DOES make sense though …

• Fake Trade 6: Bosh/Evans/Banks to Dallas for Erik Dampier (team option for 2010-11, making him valuable since he can be used as an EC for a summer trade to a team that would then waive him to chop payroll) and Josh Howard (EC). I like this one because it keeps Toronto competitive for 2009-10 and again this summer if they want to flip Dampier (for instance, they could send him to New York for a Gallinari/Curry package). And for Dallas … I mean … could you win the title with Dirk, Bosh, Marion, Kidd and Terry as your crunch-time five? I feel like you could. Even with Dirk's hair looking like it does.

And while we're here …

• Fake Trade 7a: Jose Calderon to the Lakers for Adam Morrison (EC), Jordan Farmar and $3 million. Time for Toronto to cut the cord with Calderon (owed $37.5 million through 2013), the league's No. 1 desperately-needs-a-change-of-scenery guy right now. He can't defend anyone, has lost his mojo and plays with zero confidence against the Nashes and Pauls. I don't know what happened to him. (And yes, I know his stats aren't much different than they were in 2007. I just know what I see.) But in L.A.? He could be rejuvenated as a Steve Kerr-type shooter in that system; he'd have shot-blockers to protect him defensively; he'd have Phil Jackson rebuilding his confidence and giving him Gabriel Garcia Marquez books; and he'd get reunited with Team Spain buddy Pau Gasol. Meanwhile, Toronto makes money this year, saves 2011-2012-2013 cash and doesn't lose much with Farmar and Jarrett Jack running the show. Win-win.

• Fake Trade 7b: Calderon to the Celtics for Eddie House (EC), Tony Allen (EC), Glen Davis and $3 million. Celts get the third guard they need; Toronto dumps Calderon's contract, pockets $3 million and gets a useful banger in Big Baby.

(Crap. That's not nearly as good as the Lakers trade. I feel sick. Forget I mentioned this.)

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Too long to post everything. Here's whole article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/091223&sportCat=nba


Long read...but most everything Simmons basketball related is worth it.

ManRam
12-23-2009, 06:39 PM
A few things of note he says:

Knicks: Clear Eddy and Jared's contracts by the start of next summer. Danilo probably will have to be packaged for any deal to happen.

Bucks: Need to move Redd, and if lucky, Gadzuric. Cleveland might be an option.

Warriors: No clue what they are doing. Unpredictable. Shouldn't trade, but will.

Indiana: Stuck in no-man's land with one star and scrappy role players. Move Murphy and Dunleavy while healthy (for Shaq??)

Minnesota: A seller not worth discussing. Tons of expirings they shouldn't deal.

Charlotte: Upgrade Diaw, have 3 overpaid iffy bigmen (Diop, Nazr, Tyson make 50.4 million). Go big this year? Or build for the future?

Clippers: Logjam upfront. Kaman is tough to move, Camby is an expiring, might not get much. Need to sell Camby now.

Grizzlies: Move Gay (compares him to Iggy, a non-franchise overpaid player) and dump Jaric.

Toronto: Move Bosh and Calderon. Has some ideas.

New Orleans: A ton of bad contracts, luxury tax, can't win a title, losing money. Trade CP3 if the deal is right. Can't move West bc it would upset Paul. Tough situation.

Washington: Gilbert is going to financially destroy this team. He says they need to clean house. Move Jamison and Butler for Shaq's expiring. Make a move for Boozer. Do whatever. Blow it up.

Detroit: "Confusing mess of overpaid perimeter guys and underpaid perimeter guys". If no one bites on Rip and Maxiell, move Prince.

Philly: Get rid of Iggy, Brand and Sammy. All of them.

Sacramento: Martin has great value. Move him and Kenny for future assets.

HuRRiCaNeS324
12-23-2009, 06:41 PM
Bill Simmons is a bollo

AddiX
12-23-2009, 06:44 PM
I read this earlier, what a terrible article in every way possible.

ManRam
12-23-2009, 06:46 PM
Bill Simmons is a bollo

Good insight.


I read this earlier, what a terrible article in every way possible.

Elaborate. I think most of his ideas are well thought out and reasonable. His hate for Iggy is a bit bothersome, but besides that, I agree with him about what these teams should do.

Chronz
12-23-2009, 06:52 PM
Haters explain yourselves

LanceUpperCut
12-23-2009, 06:55 PM
Wow American Press really has no clue whats going on with the Raptors at all. Maybe he leaves but anyone who says hes gone for sure really is just hating on Canada's team. I still believe Bosh has a better chance at staying then Wade does. Thier definitely not the worst defensive team of the decade ya they had a rough start with all the new players and tough sch. but are getting better every game.

ManRam
12-23-2009, 07:01 PM
Wow American Press really has no clue whats going on with the Raptors at all. Maybe he leaves but anyone who says hes gone for sure really is just hating on Canada's team.

Why would he want to stay? Toronto wont win anything anytime soon. They aren't really in a pretty financial situation, have too many bad contracts and bad players. That team needs a major face lift, why should he endure 4-5 more years of mediocrity when he can get out of there now. He can go to not only a better team, but a team with a shot at winning, and a much larger market. If I'm him, I'm sick of not getting respect. Where he plays, sadly, is the reason why.

It's no guarantee, but it is definitely the consensus that he leaves. Call it hating, I call it using a brain.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-23-2009, 07:03 PM
there's no chance that the knicks trade Gallo

Lakersfan2483
12-23-2009, 07:06 PM
It's going to be interesting to see what the Blazers are going to do about their current predicament. They have lost Oden and Pryzbilla for the year, so I expect them to make a move. Teams like New York, Washington, Philly may also make some moves. Obviously, New York wants to shed salary so they can go after Wade, Lebron, Bosh or any of the other major free agents next year.

Also, I am curious to see if Boozer remains in Utah for the rest of the year or will he be traded to a team like the Heat. I think if Riley can pull off that type of a major deal, it will entice Wade to re-sign.

Lakersfan2483
12-23-2009, 07:10 PM
I love Bill's idea about the Lakers acquiring Jose Calderon for Jordan Farmar and Morrison. I would take that deal any day of the week!

LanceUpperCut
12-23-2009, 07:11 PM
Why would he want to stay? Toronto wont win anything anytime soon. They aren't really in a pretty financial situation, have too many bad contracts and bad players. That team needs a major face lift, why should he endure 4-5 more years of mediocrity when he can get out of there now. He can go to not only a better team, but a team with a shot at winning, and a much larger market. If I'm him, I'm sick of not getting respect. Where he plays, sadly, is the reason why.

It's no guarantee, but it is definitely the consensus that he leaves. Call it hating, I call it using a brain.

Do you not notice all the Raptor fans on here just as many as any of the other so called big markets. Oh wait he can go to New York or Chicago they look great. Who are all the bad players? Toronto's attendance is better than alot of teams in the league like Miami , Orlando, Cleveland and New Jersey so were is he going to go.

Storch
12-23-2009, 07:12 PM
Wow! that calderon for morrison and farmar trade sounds really nice. I'd do it for sure.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-23-2009, 07:19 PM
Wow! that calderon for morrison and farmar trade sounds really nice. I'd do it for sure.

Calderon has a really ugly contract!:(

iggypop123
12-23-2009, 07:19 PM
if the lakers would trade for an expensive pg it would be for hinrich not calderon

Young and Stupid
12-23-2009, 07:26 PM
How can anyone say they don't like Bill Simmons. As a sports-writer I strive to be as entertaining of a writer as he is. Bill Simmons is the GOAT.

astrosmaniac
12-23-2009, 07:36 PM
i would love to get paul for the rockets!

Paul-Ariza-Battier-Landry-Yao next year :drool:

Derick713
12-23-2009, 07:50 PM
I think the Trade Deadline will be more interesting than 2010 Free Agency. There’s a good chance that the Raptors will trade Chris Bosh. Teams like the Hornets, Wizards, Warriors, and 76ers have interesting players that could be dumped so they can have future flexibility.

FOR EXAMPLE- The Cavs might build their future before the trading deadline since they don’t have cap space to make major additions in 2010.

THE FUTURE OF THE CAVS FRONCOURT-

1.) Emeka Okafor
2.) David West
3.) Elton Brand
4.) Chris Kaman
5.) Samuel Dalembert
6.) Anthony Randolph

FUTURE SECODN OPTIONS-

1.) Corey Maggette
2.) Michael Redd
3.) Richard Jefferson
4.) Tracy McGrady

FUTURE GLUE GUYS-

1.) James Posey
2.) Darius Songlia
3.) Marcus Camby



THE CAV MAJOR TRADE- If the Cavs offered Two First Round Picks and salary cap relief I think the Raptors would have to bite.

A TRADE THE RAPTORS CAN’T REFUSE-

CAVS GET-
Chris Bosh
Reggie Evans
Marcus Banks

RAPTORS GET-
2010 AND 2012 First Round Picks
2011 Second Round Pick
Rights to Christian Eyenga
JJ Hickson
Shaquille O’Neal

shep33
12-23-2009, 07:51 PM
I love Bill's idea about the Lakers acquiring Jose Calderon for Jordan Farmar and Morrison. I would take that deal any day of the week!

It wouldn't happen ever though. Jerry Buss is already paying up the ying-yang for the team he's got now. Now he's gotta take on Calderon's 37 mill... too much. Plus i think Calderon is overrated, i actually like him, but i dunno, i'd rather keep Farmar who has been playing great lately and combine him with Brown and Fish for a decent backcourt. I'd rather have Hinrich over Calderon.

GodsSon
12-23-2009, 08:03 PM
The section on the Raptors is horrible...why would we trade Bosh to Dallas for Erica??? what sense does that make??...for one, having all that cap space does us no good since no good FA's would sign here with Bosh gone...secondly, if teams like GS have been willing to trade away young pieces for a guy like Bosh/Amare then im sure a team would pony up and offer good value for a player of Bosh's calibre...what a garbage read

ManRam
12-23-2009, 08:14 PM
I do think this trade deadline will be the best in a long time. The NFL trade deadline is a joke. MLB is occasionally good, but never surprising. I think this year we have a chance to see a surprising and exciting deadline. A lot of factors are creating an interesting situation.

And GodsSon...you get Josh Howard in that deal...not just Eric"a". Better to get something than nothing. I don't like it either, but it's a realistic type of deal they could get. Get a good player, and still get some cap space as well with Dampier's expiring.

YankeeLove2
12-23-2009, 08:20 PM
go for amare bobcats

GodsSon
12-23-2009, 08:22 PM
^^ and even then its a **** deal...Dallas got themselves in that mess by giving the guy a 7 year deal worth an insane amount of money; so let them eat the rest of that contract up...other then that, i want nothing Dallas has to offer

prodigy
12-23-2009, 08:23 PM
I would love for my cavs to get Murphy. But we need shaq for Howard.

Murphy for Z/Jackson

Cavs get a good talent in Murphy who can pass, score and rebound.

Pacers get Expiring contract and a young big in Jackson.

The Cavs could get Z back after the pacers buy him out.

bigsams50
12-23-2009, 08:25 PM
go for amare bobcats

:pray:

boriquaabe
12-23-2009, 08:27 PM
Here is very entertaining articles written by Bill Simmons.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/091223&sportCat=nba

For knick fans he basically suggests what many non-knick fans have been saying. In order for Walsh to get rid of Curry or Jeffries contract they are going to have to pair them with Gallinari or Jordan Hill. He explains that in order to have enough money to offer Lebron and another max contract player they have to clear those 2 contracts off the books. And giving Lebron the chance to help build an all star roster of his choice those deals are going to have to be done. The opportunity would be unprecedented for Lebron. Whether you agree or not it is a good read for any die hard NBA fan. One trade that is extremely interesting is his proposed 3 team trade where the knicks would get Mcgrady and his expiring, Houston would get Anthony randolph,Eddy curry and Cuttino's expiring and Golden state would acquire Gallinari.

Jays Claw
12-23-2009, 08:29 PM
I always like what Bill Simmons has to say. This long but interesting article points out true facts. However, some of these projected trades seem a bit far fetched. For example, the New Orleans Hornets would be hesitant to deal Chris Paul. Why? Because if they do, the team would suffer a major loss in attendance and not many sponsors would want to sponsor a team with no star. They are already low on attendance and dealing him away would make things worse.

Kakaroach
12-23-2009, 08:29 PM
On a tradeable scale from 1 to Gilbert Arenas :laugh: Great find, and that was a great read.

Toenail Clipper
12-23-2009, 08:29 PM
What would the Knicks do with Tmac?

madiaz3
12-23-2009, 08:32 PM
Knicks have always expressed trading Chandler before they did Danilo...they are of similar value at the moment. Besides if its for a shot at lebron why do we trade our PF instead of our SF in chandler. This article is the first time I have heard of anyone saying NYK must trade danilo...

SchyGuy11
12-23-2009, 08:34 PM
nothing about the bulls? they are a team that needs to make moves

TheKing23
12-23-2009, 08:36 PM
I would love for my cavs to get Murphy. But we need shaq for Howard.

Murphy for Z/Jackson

Cavs get a good talent in Murphy who can pass, score and rebound.

Pacers get Expiring contract and a young big in Jackson.

The Cavs could get Z back after the pacers buy him out.

I would rather get Antawn Jamison if he's available... He can shoot the three and is a much more capable defender than Murphy.

If the Wizards continue to suck I wouldn't be surprised to see Jamison in a Cavs uni come the end of February.

TheKing23
12-23-2009, 08:37 PM
There's another thread 3 pages deep containing this article.

commonsense12
12-23-2009, 08:37 PM
He was all hard up about the Knicks trading Gallo. Personally i think if they did trade him they are just dumb. I would rather wait the extra year amd let Curry and JJ expiring and gran another good player in 2011 then let Gallo go. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Jays Claw
12-23-2009, 08:38 PM
^ Do you really want the Cleveland Cavaliers to pick up an injury prone Antawn Jamison?

Hellcrooner
12-23-2009, 08:38 PM
^let him expire and have the money to add wade or lebron + stou or bosh + joe johnson or ray allen?

boriquaabe
12-23-2009, 08:42 PM
There's another thread 3 pages deep containing this article.

Oops...sorry i thought the article just came out... merge it if you like.

Mcgrady would just expire and clear some money off the books.

yup..the article was just published today. I think it has enough information to have it's own thread. Some of it is hilarious.

I see another thread...merge please..thanks


How can anyone say they don't like Bill Simmons. As a sports-writer I strive to be as entertaining of a writer as he is. Bill Simmons is the GOAT.

Agreed... Simmons knowledge of the NBA is second to none. Dude is absolutely entertaining and his sense of humor is just my style. Not liking him or what he writes says more about the person criticizing him than simmons himself.


He was all hard up about the Knicks trading Gallo. Personally i think if they did trade him they are just dumb. I would rather wait the extra year amd let Curry and JJ expiring and gran another good player in 2011 then let Gallo go. Doesnt make sense IMO.

Behind closed doors I don't think the Knicks plans for the future include anyone on the team right now.I also think no one is untouchable right now. I like gallo alot also but would you sacrifice a chance at a Wade/lebron duo for Gallo... I think that would be dumb.


I always like what Bill Simmons has to say. This long but interesting article points out true facts. However, some of these projected trades seem a bit far fetched. For example, the New Orleans Hornets would be hesitant to deal Chris Paul. Why? Because if they do, the team would suffer a major loss in attendance and not many sponsors would want to sponsor a team with no star. They are already low on attendance and dealing him away would make things worse.


ALot of it is tongue in cheek. I think they would try and move West before Paul. How has attendance been as of late? I think the scrutiny and bad press would prevent a Paul trade anyway.

MELO 15
12-23-2009, 09:33 PM
Ican't see the raptors trade away for an expiring, because for one, who would want to go there. They need to bring in guy who can still help then if giving that rolle, wich is why I propose this trade

nuggets get
bosh

raptors get
NENE & JR Smith

I think both teams win, nuggets get what they've wanted in a big.
Toronto gets two guys who if giving the opportunity can flourish, especially JR, Whom I think is a top ten talent in this league.

TheKing23
12-23-2009, 09:51 PM
^ Do you really want the Cleveland Cavaliers to pick up an injury prone Antawn Jamison?

Injury prone?

He's played 302 of a possible 328 games in the last four seasons... That's hardly injury prone.

I would LOVE to get him... A consistent 20/10 guy, who can spread the floor with his shooting when playing alongside Shaq. He has the lateral quickness to match up with the faster, more athletic PF's in the league that usually cause us trouble (Rashard Lewis, Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett).

rapswin98
12-23-2009, 10:28 PM
I think the Trade Deadline will be more interesting than 2010 Free Agency. Thereís a good chance that the Raptors will trade Chris Bosh. Teams like the Hornets, Wizards, Warriors, and 76ers have interesting players that could be dumped so they can have future flexibility.

FOR EXAMPLE- The Cavs might build their future before the trading deadline since they donít have cap space to make major additions in 2010.

THE FUTURE OF THE CAVS FRONCOURT-

1.) Emeka Okafor
2.) David West
3.) Elton Brand
4.) Chris Kaman
5.) Samuel Dalembert
6.) Anthony Randolph

FUTURE SECODN OPTIONS-

1.) Corey Maggette
2.) Michael Redd
3.) Richard Jefferson
4.) Tracy McGrady

FUTURE GLUE GUYS-

1.) James Posey
2.) Darius Songlia
3.) Marcus Camby



THE CAV MAJOR TRADE- If the Cavs offered Two First Round Picks and salary cap relief I think the Raptors would have to bite.

A TRADE THE RAPTORS CANíT REFUSE-

CAVS GET-
Chris Bosh
Reggie Evans
Marcus Banks

RAPTORS GET-
2010 AND 2012 First Round Picks
2011 Second Round Pick
Rights to Christian Eyenga
JJ Hickson
Shaquille OíNealthe raps get raped:pity:

Giaps
12-23-2009, 10:56 PM
Trade Gallinari for expiring contracts just to get rid of Curry?

FAIL.

TaylorMays
12-23-2009, 11:12 PM
trade mcgrady to the knicks for anything on their roster?
FAIL.

boriquaabe
12-23-2009, 11:28 PM
Giaps how much do you really know about what kind of player gallinari will be? We need the cap space more than any one player on this team...sorry.

Wizard of O's
12-24-2009, 12:02 AM
there's no chance that the knicks trade Gallo

really why?

if they can dump payroll and have the cap space to acquire two max free agents. then why wouldnt they?

id rather have lebron than gallinari. cant do so without creating space and cant create cap space without adding something somebody wants on top of eddy curry.

boriquaabe
12-24-2009, 01:01 AM
really why?

if they can dump payroll and have the cap space to acquire two max free agents. then why wouldnt they?

id rather have lebron than gallinari. cant do so without creating space and cant create cap space without adding something somebody wants on top of eddy curry.

That's the point precisely. Some people that have developed attachments to any one on this team are not going to be happy. I am committed to not getting overly excited on this team until next year. I could care less what happens this season and I've maintained this attitude since Thomas was finally replaced and Walsh was brought in.

iggypop123
12-24-2009, 01:13 AM
id rather have joe johnson and another FA than gallinari. even scraps from 2010 are good

TEXASTITAN
12-24-2009, 01:25 AM
Pretty dumb if you think about it considering the tmac trade idea....Tmac's 23 million EC is 80% insured is the hottest commodity in the NBA and then throw in the fact that he can still play 10 pts 3 assists the other night in what 8 minutes. Houston should have their pick of the litter come trade deadline and they will make out like they are stealing. Everyone can downplay the 23 million he's making but when the insurance company is paying 80% of it and it expires and the potential is there that he will give you 20 a game because he's in a contract year and he's got no choice. A blockbuster trade is on the horizion and the tmac deal will be the trade deadline headline.

jimbobjarree
12-24-2009, 01:30 AM
ak, korver, knicks pick for kmart, k9

works pretty well for both teams so long as kmart can stay healthy

Giaps
12-24-2009, 02:09 AM
trade mcgrady to the knicks for anything on their roster?
FAIL.
Sure buddy... I'll take the Knicks young players over the Rockets' 10/10. And McGrady is nothing more than an expiring contract... don't over value it.

ARMIN12NBA
12-24-2009, 03:13 AM
You have Chris Paul, one of the 10 best players in the league. (The other nine: LeBron, Kobe, Dirk, Melo, Nash, Howard, Wade, Brandon Roy and LeBron again. He counts twice.)

:confused: :facepalm:

aNYer
12-24-2009, 03:39 AM
really why?

if they can dump payroll and have the cap space to acquire two max free agents. then why wouldnt they?

id rather have lebron than gallinari. cant do so without creating space and cant create cap space without adding something somebody wants on top of eddy curry.

We can afford a max and over $10 million after that. If we trade Jeffries we get another max. To trade Jeffries we have Lee (unless we decide to keep him) Nate, Harrington, and Hughes. Lee is worth moth then just a dump but if thats what it comes to thats what it comes to. And while no one mentioned is great every single one of them, including Jeffries can fill a niche a playoff team my be lacking.

sunnydayin'zona
12-24-2009, 03:54 AM
Here, look. We built you a super-team: Okafor, Chris Paul, Mo Williams, you and Varejao, with Delonte West, Anthony Parker and February Buyout Big Man X coming off the bench. We can win four straight titles with this team. CP3 makes your life easier. Stay here. Just stay.



He'd have to consider it. Right? Great trade. Also, Knicks fans and Hornets fans are now drinking. Heavily. And the Cavs fans are doing shots in celebration. You have to love a fake trade that causes three different fan bases to immediately switch to hard alcohol.

bahaha

Tulanehockey
12-24-2009, 04:05 AM
Does Simmons realize he proposed a trade that would put Shaq and Arenas on the Wizards at the same time?! They would never be able to call themselves the Bullets again after Arenas Columbine's their entire front office...

aNYer
12-24-2009, 04:09 AM
good point tulane

fredv
12-24-2009, 06:20 AM
Sure buddy... I'll take the Knicks young players over the Rockets' 10/10. And McGrady is nothing more than an expiring contract... don't over value it.

Rockets worst player >>> Knicks BEST player

we don't need to start a 5 year campaign to try and lure a max free agent lol. I bet you guys get no one next year how funny would that be.


Oh and please, CP3 to Houston :drool:

fredv
12-24-2009, 06:24 AM
We can afford a max and over $10 million after that. If we trade Jeffries we get another max. To trade Jeffries we have Lee (unless we decide to keep him) Nate, Harrington, and Hughes. Lee is worth moth then just a dump but if thats what it comes to thats what it comes to. And while no one mentioned is great every single one of them, including Jeffries can fill a niche a playoff team my be lacking.

Apparently the Knicks have already tried doing a deal like that (Jeffries+The trash you mentionned for EC). But no team has bought into it. As Bill Simmons said, you guys need to add real prospects such as Gallinari AND Hill.
I'd rather get two max free agents if I were you, because from what i've heard Miami can do it , and they already have a way better supporting cast than you guys...

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-24-2009, 08:11 AM
Apparently the Knicks have already tried doing a deal like that (Jeffries+The trash you mentionned for EC). But no team has bought into it. As Bill Simmons said, you guys need to add real prospects such as Gallinari AND Hill.
I'd rather get two max free agents if I were you, because from what i've heard Miami can do it , and they already have a way better supporting cast than you guys...

NO, why the 2 max free agents want to come to the knicks???
To play with duhon, hughes, or harrington??

Gallo is the real deal, they need talented players to attract max contract players, those max contract players don't sign with no-talent team.

jetsfan28
12-24-2009, 08:31 AM
I love Simmons, but he's WAY off on the Knicks here. You can't basically assume you'll get 2 max contracts. If you could use future picks, MAYBE even Hill (but preferably not Hill, and only for Curry) to get rid of Jeffries or Curry, you might do it. But without Gallinari, there's nothing to entice an FA. And the chances of getting 2 max guys are slim to none anyway, it makes more sense for them to take their chance with Gallinari, Hill, maybe Lee, and room for 1 max.

spreadeagle
12-24-2009, 08:48 AM
Plz can we get more than Adam Morrison n Farmar for Jose.Hes at a low right now.You need to wait till he comes back from injury,has a hot streak then trade him at a high to a contender @ the deadline

fredv
12-24-2009, 08:52 AM
If someone here thinks LBJ, Wade, Amare or Bosh are going to go to NY to play with Gallinari you guys are waaaaay off lol. They probably don't know how good he is. And if free agents want that much young talent, then OKC is the spot to go.
Players will go to NY not for the team, not for the organization or the coach (because frankly all of that sucks), they will go there because its NEW YORK.

Kakaroach
12-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Trade Gallinari for expiring contracts just to get rid of Curry?

FAIL. It may be the only way you get rid of his ugly contract, but if I were a Knicks fan I would hate it if Walsh did that. Nice Sac-town and Jazz trade in there, I would love it if we got Kevin Martin to pair along D. Will.

blastmasta26
12-24-2009, 12:05 PM
I liked the article but I doubt the Knicks would even think about moving Gallo just to get rid of Curry's contract. Moving Hill is a much more likely alternative.

The Ooh Child
12-24-2009, 12:20 PM
That was a pretty enjoyable read, but I think most of the trade proposals are a tad ridiculous. I think I am warming up to the idea of packaging Iggy with Brand.

CrotchetyOldMan
12-24-2009, 12:33 PM
All you Knicks fans need to realize that your chances of getting Lebron are 0 percent if you don't clear room for a second max contract...AND get rid of Larry Hughes...You need that second superstar level player to even have a chance of getting the king, and I don't believe that he or hughes are interested in playing with each other again...

prodigy
12-24-2009, 03:58 PM
I would rather get Antwan Jamison if he's available... He can shoot the three and is a much more capable defender than Murphy.



WELL DUHHHH!!!!!!!!!

But Jamison will be tough to get. Not sure if the Wizards would even deal with us.

blazerman
12-24-2009, 06:15 PM
I thought this B Simmons was a dumb*** after reading that the Blazers would go 42-40 (it's like he knew we'd lose half the team to longterm injuries).

Anyway, after reading this story I actually think the guy is pretty insightful onm the NBA. I like articles that get to the heart of the matter for each team and then showing some potential deals that are realistic and could potentially happen.

Of course they're will be fans that wont let go of the reality of a certain player/players on their favorite team could be dealt for one reason or another (Raptors/ Knicks fans in particular about Bosh and Gallinari, dont blame they at all though). I bet if the Raptors hold onto Bosh all season and then he leaves via FA then alot of Raptors fans will say, why and the hell didnt they trade him at the deadline, they know he was gonna leave anyway. Now Gallinari is a bit different, Knicks fans dont want to give him up because they think he is a big attraction for FA's, news flash it is the big Apple and the attraction of the big stage in MSG, not Gallinari and Bill Simmons was only saying that "if the Knicks wanted to try for the third big name", then sacrifice Gallo and Hill to dump the only things holding up(JJ/Curry) the opportunity of the 3 big names instead of 2. With 2 combo deals then the Knicks could set the stage to get Wade or Johnson to add to Bosh and Lebron. Dont you knicks fans think that some of the big names will talk to each other before games and say,"what do you think NY, it could be all ours together, let's do it then give each other a hug and play out the rest of the season and sign on the dotted line in NY this summer and then lobby together for the 3rd wheel (easy sell to me), I could see that happening.

So the decision in NY is do you keep Gallo and Hill in hopes of attracting bignames or do you use them as sweeteners to dump Curry and Jeffries and let the first two big names attract the third big name (I think LeBron and Bosh could easily attract the third guy Wade/Amare/Johnson or whoever alot better than Gallo and Hill combined).

Now as far as the two Blazers deals he proposed, I like them both, first Hill and Jeffries would help this yr and Portland wouldnt care much about adding Jeffries salary as long as he served a purpose to the team and size and defense is what's needed, so I could see Portland doing the Blake/Outlaw for Hill/Jeffries deal. And it would be the first step for the Knicks in getting rid of one of the two ugly contracts (JJ/Curry). And Outlaw could be resigned for cheap and be the baqckup 3/4 and could you imagime a gazell like Outlaw in DAntoni's system off the bench and he is clutch and is a really good 3pt shooter, it would make it easier for NY to send Gallo away in another deal with Curry so they could get the 3rd superstar, something to think about.

The 2nd deal, Camby for Blake/Outlaw expiring's and Victor Claver (his rights), now that would be tough to swallow for me because Camby could walk at season's end and if he did want to re up with the Blazers, can he play with another limited offensive ctr at the same time and be effective or would that mean that Pryzbilla would opt out and the Blazers just lose him for nothing. Lots of if's with this one with no security of him staying in Portland past the remainder of this yr. Although if Portland had a Camby/Aldridge/Oden/Pryzbilla frontcourt we'd lead the league in blocks by at least 100 over the next closet team, haha (little inside scoring but on the flipside other teams wouldnt either with Camby/Oden/Pryzbilla in the paint and two of them at the same time quite often (all three are mobile too), tough call because Claver is a serious talent,kinda like a 6'10" Rudy Fernandez with similar skills, Im not sure I would wabt Portland to do that for potentially a 3 or 4 month security blanket at center.

madiaz3
12-24-2009, 06:55 PM
If someone here thinks LBJ, Wade, Amare or Bosh are going to go to NY to play with Gallinari you guys are waaaaay off lol. They probably don't know how good he is. And if free agents want that much young talent, then OKC is the spot to go.
Players will go to NY not for the team, not for the organization or the coach (because frankly all of that sucks), they will go there because its NEW YORK.

Lebron already knows :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-2d9IQj2Vs#t=8m40s

Wade will know after Christmas

blastmasta26
12-24-2009, 07:32 PM
All you Knicks fans need to realize that your chances of getting Lebron are 0 percent if you don't clear room for a second max contract...AND get rid of Larry Hughes...You need that second superstar level player to even have a chance of getting the king, and I don't believe that he or hughes are interested in playing with each other again...
Well Hughes is expiring, so that's not a problem. And the reason we are trying to move Jeffries and/or Curry is to clear room for two max contracts.

bal_ravens
12-24-2009, 09:44 PM
I didn't read the article, so maybe I should, but you said Butler AND Jamison for Shaq? :s

I could see us keeping Jamison and trading Butler out west for an expiring. Would make alot more sense.

JWO35
12-24-2009, 09:56 PM
Really Trade Tayshaun Prince for a bunch of bums and Glen Davis(while still keeping Maxiell).

homestarunner93
12-24-2009, 10:23 PM
What a terrible article. Simmons should have used his time in a different manner, because that article was a waste of a few hours of his life.

Evolution23
12-24-2009, 10:26 PM
All you Knicks fans need to realize that your chances of getting Lebron are 0 percent if you don't clear room for a second max contract...AND get rid of Larry Hughes...You need that second superstar level player to even have a chance of getting the king, and I don't believe that he or hughes are interested in playing with each other again...

:facepalm: Larry Hughes expires this summer

ink
12-24-2009, 10:46 PM
Wow! that calderon for morrison and farmar trade sounds really nice. I'd do it for sure.

It would be Calderon for Farmar (no thanks to end of the bench players like Morrison) and I don't see the incentive for the Raptors. Of course the Lakers would do it! lol.

Tulanehockey
12-25-2009, 04:58 AM
I didn't read the article, so maybe I should, but you said Butler AND Jamison for Shaq? :s

I could see us keeping Jamison and trading Butler out west for an expiring. Would make alot more sense.


Dude, do you not realize Shaq and Arenas hate each other? There's a reason Arenas brought a gun into the locker room. If that trade goes down, (insert untimely and politically incorrect mass shooting joke).

Seriously though, I just bought simmons' book and am pissed he hasn't realized that Shaq can't be on the Wizards and that the Bulls needed to be in that article, and also that I got his book for under twenty when it's $30 in the stores.

Apophis
12-25-2009, 05:58 AM
If there is any untouchable Knick.. It would be Gallinari... They are not going to trade him away at a chance that we may get one of the free agents... What happens if no one signs... so basically we get rid of Gallinari for nothing...

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Rego247
02-22-2011, 03:17 PM
bump of the century.

Create
02-22-2011, 03:26 PM
Got excited for no reason.

OnslaughtXX6
02-22-2011, 03:30 PM
lmao

Bullsfan22
02-22-2011, 03:50 PM
I'm reading The book of basketball it's a good book he has probably forgotten more about sports than you guys know.

ttam68
02-22-2011, 03:54 PM
Very, very random

believeinNYK
02-22-2011, 04:09 PM
Thought this was new....

Klivlend
02-22-2011, 04:14 PM
You got me.

xabial
02-22-2011, 04:27 PM
there's no chance that the knicks trade Gallo

Since everyone else is mindlessly bumping this article...



Wrong...