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JordansBulls
12-21-2009, 11:42 PM
The Chicago Bulls have just blown a 35-point lead tonight against the Sacramento Kings and we were outscored 33-10 in the 4th quarter.

1-800-STFU
12-21-2009, 11:44 PM
I want to down a bottle of Tylenol PM and chase it with a bottle of vodka. This is terrible.

bigsams50
12-21-2009, 11:44 PM
WOW. That has to be a record of some sort.

RaptorsFanatic
12-21-2009, 11:44 PM
LOL this is so weird we just made two threads with almost the exact same titles. haha...man that was one terrible loss.

Gators123
12-21-2009, 11:46 PM
One of the craziest games I have seen this year.

RaptorsFanatic
12-21-2009, 11:47 PM
Wow...I can't believe what I just saw. They were up by 35 and lost to Sacramento by 4. Outscored in the 4th quarter 33-10. They have lost 11 of their last 15.

Derrick Rose and Deng are really trying to their best to carry the load, but I am sorry the other players are just not playing the part. Salmons...really what happened to this guy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see a lot of free agents being attracted to a losing system. I AM NOT HATING AT ALL. What's happening? I am seriously shocked at today's loss.

The team really looks lost, deflated, tired, and not a group that supports each other. Rose needs to be more vocal out there, and honestly, from what I saw today, Del Negro is trying his best but the players are really letting everyone down.

Raph12
12-21-2009, 11:48 PM
Talk about being complacent.

DerekRE_3
12-21-2009, 11:49 PM
Ime udoka!!!!

arkanian215
12-21-2009, 11:51 PM
The Chicago Bulls have just blown a 35-point lead tonight against the Sacramento Kings and we were outscored 33-10 in the 4th quarter.

:facepalm: coming from a choke artist fan.

sacgiants1213
12-21-2009, 11:53 PM
If you don't like that, you don't like KINGS Basketball!

DerekRE_3
12-21-2009, 11:54 PM
If you don't like that, you don't like KINGS Basketball!

You tell em Mr. Grant Napear!!!

Raps18-19 Champ
12-21-2009, 11:56 PM
That is just embarrassing.

:facepalm:

DerekRE_3
12-21-2009, 11:57 PM
Ime Udoka > entire Chicago Bulls team in the 4th quarter.

Cubs Win
12-21-2009, 11:59 PM
Doesn't get much more embarrasing then losing to the Kings. Hopefully this can finally show the FO that Vinny needs to go.

Ni55anpat
12-22-2009, 12:02 AM
BUlls suck, fans need to stop going to games for this ****en ****** product.

# 1 in attendence....FU chicago fans lol

GrandDaddyPurp
12-22-2009, 12:04 AM
Jon Brockman owned them Bulls

jimbobjarree
12-22-2009, 12:05 AM
Ime udoka!!!!

bulls rapist!

JordansBulls
12-22-2009, 12:06 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2009122104



Tyreke Evans and the Sacramento Kings pulled off an incredible comeback, rallying from 35 points down in the second half to stun the Chicago Bulls 102-98 on Monday night.

The Bulls led 79-44 with 8:50 left in the third quarter and were still up 83-50 two minutes later before the Kings began dominating every facet of the game.

Kakaroach
12-22-2009, 12:08 AM
:ouch: Pretty much all to say about that. I thought the Clippers were horrible at blowing leads.

GodsSon
12-22-2009, 12:11 AM
Bulls are stinking it up this year

roshan3ai
12-22-2009, 12:11 AM
:laugh: That might be worse than the Knicks shooting 47 3's against the Bulls a few games back

sw20
12-22-2009, 12:14 AM
Doesn't get much more embarrasing then losing to the Kings. Hopefully this can finally show the FO that Vinny needs to go.This isnt last season buddy. Kings were 12-14 and Bulls were 10-15 coming into this game. Dont act like you lost to the worse team in the league.

runforrestrunx9
12-22-2009, 12:15 AM
The Chicago Bulls have just blown a 35-point lead tonight against the Sacramento Kings and we were outscored 33-10 in the 4th quarter.

:facepalm:wow

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 12:21 AM
Epic failure. Trade everyone on the Bulls roster tonight

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 12:25 AM
:facepalm:

kozelkid
12-22-2009, 12:30 AM
Everyone except Rose, Deng, Noah.
And you know why we lost, cause our Coach is a ********. How stupid do you have to be to play a 7 man rotation up 35. ****ing moron.

human marvel
12-22-2009, 12:34 AM
What a train wreck. Can Vinny go now?

Sly Guy
12-22-2009, 12:35 AM
This isnt last season buddy. Kings were 12-14 and Bulls were 10-15 coming into this game. Dont act like you lost to the worse team in the league.

good man, stick up for that team. Kings aren't a powerhouse, but they aren't a pushover either.

iced_earth4
12-22-2009, 12:36 AM
BUlls suck, fans need to stop going to games for this ****en ****** product.

# 1 in attendence....FU chicago fans lol

Ladies and Gentlemen a true Chicago sports fan. Way to stick by your team through thick and thin. :facepalm:

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 12:36 AM
Lawd Jesus.....:pity:

Fool
12-22-2009, 12:36 AM
Read the three first notifications on my phone, was happy.

Fell asleep, woke up to THIS. :facepalm:

SA5195
12-22-2009, 12:39 AM
Didn't see the game.

Good thing I didn't see it lol

ZebraCity916
12-22-2009, 12:40 AM
WOW. That has to be a record of some sort.

It was for the Kings. That was their biggest comeback win in the Sacramento era.

ZebraCity916
12-22-2009, 12:43 AM
Doesn't get much more embarrasing then losing to the Kings. Hopefully this can finally show the FO that Vinny needs to go.

Why is that embarrassing?? Kings have a better record than the Bulls even if the Bulls won.

avrpatsfan
12-22-2009, 12:43 AM
lakers blew a 30 point lead in the Finals. That's way worse IMO, but not for me :)

madiaz3
12-22-2009, 12:44 AM
Biggest comeback since a 36 point comeback in 96 with the Jazz coming back against the Nuggets.

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 12:45 AM
When we all were telling the Bulls to keep Gordon, they thought they were better without him. Who in the world lets their top scorer leave for the sake of saving money? The Bulls have a pattern of blaming the wrong person, first, it was Nocioni, then it was Hughes and Wallace, then Gordon, now it's either Thomas, Salmons, Hinrich or the coach. I think you should blame your front office for not getting good returns on players.

NYtilIdie
12-22-2009, 12:47 AM
WOW LOL!!!

Even the Nets aren't that bad to blow a 35 point lead. When I saw the score at halftime I thought "it would be cool if the Kings came back, but theres no chance in hell" and then I see this!

Its offical despite their decent record the Bulls have become the biggest joke in the league.
And it all started with Jarret Jack tying his shoes.

Teeboy1487
12-22-2009, 12:48 AM
lakers blew a 30 point lead in the Finals. That's way worse IMO, but not for me :) 24 point lead. Besides we got a ring the next year, so I'm over that :). I hope we settle the score this year though.

itsripcity32
12-22-2009, 12:50 AM
LoL

jim51990
12-22-2009, 12:51 AM
the bulls suck
and rose is thee most overrated players ever

aZekuiS
12-22-2009, 12:52 AM
lol. hilarious.

blazerman
12-22-2009, 12:52 AM
That's amazing, hats off to the Kings for not giving up after being down by 35points, I cant even remember 30 plus point comeback, 20 something yeah but 35, thats impressive.

If the Bulls keep playing like that their fanbase which is pretty big is gonna be raging if they're not already. Del Negro wont last much longer.

Kyle916
12-22-2009, 12:52 AM
The world continues to be introduced to Tyreke Evans.

itsripcity32
12-22-2009, 12:53 AM
i cant stop laughing

ZebraCity916
12-22-2009, 12:53 AM
The world continues to be introduced to Tyreke Evans.

:nod::clap:

king4day
12-22-2009, 12:54 AM
Tough loss.
This will be in their heads.
It was a home game and any big lead they have from now on, they need to learn to maintain.

ldc62
12-22-2009, 01:03 AM
Im getting fed up with these losses, but 'Reke Havoc is very very nasty. I still think Rose is better tho.

kozelkid
12-22-2009, 01:11 AM
When we all were telling the Bulls to keep Gordon, they thought they were better without him. Who in the world lets their top scorer leave for the sake of saving money? The Bulls have a pattern of blaming the wrong person, first, it was Nocioni, then it was Hughes and Wallace, then Gordon, now it's either Thomas, Salmons, Hinrich or the coach. I think you should blame your front office for not getting good returns on players.

Umm sorry but this post is VERY flawed.
I agree with you 100% with Gordon.
Nocioni? Hell no. He was a chucker, he played poor defense, he was bad. We improved immediately when he was shipped.
Hughes always sucked same with Wallace. FO made a legit mistake on Wallace and all the players we replaced with were bad contracts who sucked to begin with.
Salmons has sucked this year. I was hoping we'd ship him while he was hot (during the summer). Same with Kirk. And thomas is simply a bust...
FO is not as bad as you think it is. In fact most blame goes on JR cause he doesn't give any freedom to our FO and is the guy who made bonehead decisions like Kirk over Gordon.

barbjake
12-22-2009, 01:17 AM
the bulls suck
and rose is thee most overrated players ever

I don't log in much, but you are a ****ing idiot. The Bulls DO suck, but Rose is a 20 year old kid who has one of the worst coaches ever. He is not overrated, he is not allowed to play the way he can.
What Derrick Rose is, is one of the top points in the league, even with literally nobody to pass it to.

JordansBulls
12-22-2009, 01:17 AM
When we all were telling the Bulls to keep Gordon, they thought they were better without him. Who in the world lets their top scorer leave for the sake of saving money? The Bulls have a pattern of blaming the wrong person, first, it was Nocioni, then it was Hughes and Wallace, then Gordon, now it's either Thomas, Salmons, Hinrich or the coach. I think you should blame your front office for not getting good returns on players.

A team that would have no cap space next summer and that is a border line playoff team in the 1st place.

bahama0811
12-22-2009, 01:19 AM
Pathetic. Vinny should be fired tomorrow

IversonIsKrazy
12-22-2009, 01:32 AM
wow. i nvr watched the game, i watched until half-time, then went x-mas shopping, came back, and I just couldn't believe it, like wow, how is that possible...

HesterTrain
12-22-2009, 01:35 AM
When we all were telling the Bulls to keep Gordon, they thought they were better without him. Who in the world lets their top scorer leave for the sake of saving money? The Bulls have a pattern of blaming the wrong person, first, it was Nocioni, then it was Hughes and Wallace, then Gordon, now it's either Thomas, Salmons, Hinrich or the coach. I think you should blame your front office for not getting good returns on players.

They will open up the bank next year for your Wade and he will accept.

THE MTL
12-22-2009, 01:48 AM
Doesn't get much more embarrasing then losing to the Kings. Hopefully this can finally show the FO that Vinny needs to go.

OH yes it does like losing to the Nets when your the home team......(oh wait that was the Bulls too) LMAO! :D :D

iggypop123
12-22-2009, 01:49 AM
perfect time to fire del negro. cant wait to see evans against the lakers. he will impress but then have crap numbers

jim51990
12-22-2009, 01:55 AM
I don't log in much, but you are a ****ing idiot. The Bulls DO suck, but Rose is a 20 year old kid who has one of the worst coaches ever. He is not overrated, he is not allowed to play the way he can.
What Derrick Rose is, is one of the top points in the league, even with literally nobody to pass it to.

you have not watched many pgs playing right now because hes middle of the pack at best right now... for example 3 rookies jennings flynn and evans (i consider him a pg) are already better then him and thats not even going into the top pgs

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 01:56 AM
OH yes it does like losing to the Nets when your the home team......(oh wait that was the Bulls too) LMAO! :D :D

I guess you're right. We could be as horribly dysfunctional and irrelevant as the Knicks. So it could be worse than us Bulls fans have it.

blams
12-22-2009, 01:57 AM
I was at the game..... it was hilarious.

sean17c
12-22-2009, 01:59 AM
you have not watched many pgs playing right now because hes middle of the pack at best right now... for example 3 rookies jennings flynn and evans (i consider him a pg) are already better then him and thats not even going into the top pgs

stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb

CityofTreez
12-22-2009, 02:00 AM
I'm watching the game on Replay. The Bulls are looking good, but somewhere there is a collapse and I KNOW it's coming :clap:

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 02:04 AM
"it's a tough night to be a Chicago Bulls fan" Sportscenter.

Kyle916
12-22-2009, 02:05 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb

This post exemplifies ignorance at it's finest.

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 02:06 AM
I can't wait for the rookie/sophomore all star game.

NY4YA
12-22-2009, 02:07 AM
Umm sorry but this post is VERY flawed.
I agree with you 100% with Gordon.
Nocioni? Hell no. He was a chucker, he played poor defense, he was bad. We improved immediately when he was shipped.
Hughes always sucked same with Wallace. FO made a legit mistake on Wallace and all the players we replaced with were bad contracts who sucked to begin with.
Salmons has sucked this year. I was hoping we'd ship him while he was hot (during the summer). Same with Kirk. And thomas is simply a bust...
FO is not as bad as you think it is. In fact most blame goes on JR cause he doesn't give any freedom to our FO and is the guy who made bonehead decisions like Kirk over Gordon.

Hughes def does not suck. I want him back in a knicks Uni next Year. He was a big part of our winning streak.

Gators123
12-22-2009, 02:07 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb


Please tell me you are joking

29$JerZ
12-22-2009, 02:13 AM
Sacramento doing its thing :clap:

asandhu23
12-22-2009, 02:14 AM
WOW LOL!!!

Even the Nets aren't that bad to blow a 35 point lead. When I saw the score at halftime I thought "it would be cool if the Kings came back, but theres no chance in hell" and then I see this!

Its offical despite their decent record the Bulls have become the biggest joke in the league.
And it all started with Jarret Jack tying his shoes.

no way. Warriors own this title.

SFGiants4life
12-22-2009, 02:14 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb

this is internet LOL at its finest....rose a future HOF? please explain....Kings have a legitimate chance at a ring within the next couple of years with the young talented core they have....and Jennings might not be in the league in 5 years? this actually made me LOL

NightMayer1558
12-22-2009, 02:16 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb

And here you witness an example of the more ridiculous parts of our fanbase that garners our franchise and fanbase even less respect from everyone else.

But by no means am I asking for it. Our franchise is a trainwreck, no doubt.

I went out with my friends to go see Avatar (great movie, by the way) in the hopes that my Bulls would capitalize on the momentum from the rally to upset Atlanta, but unfortunately I came home to discover we couldn't even do that. Instead we found a way to humiliate ourselves even more after the whole Nets debacle. I don't care whose fault this is: VDN's, the player's, our F.O.'s, the refs, whatever. This game is just plain ****ing unacceptable.

Any team that has this happening to them should be screaming their heads off and calling for some others' heads.

JUST UNACCEPTABLE.

HuRRiCaNeS324
12-22-2009, 02:20 AM
I'm sure Wade is dying to go over there now. The Bulls look like a real intriguing team with a 10-16 record...

There's no way the Kings, the Bucks, the Thunder, the CLIPPERS (WITHOUT GRIFFIN MIND YOU), and Memphis, should have a better record than Chicago who supposedly was going to finish in the 5th seed. Lol and you guys said the Bulls are better than the Heat.

HuRRiCaNeS324
12-22-2009, 02:22 AM
this is internet LOL at its finest....rose a future HOF? please explain....Kings have a legitimate chance at a ring within the next couple of decades with the young talented core they have....and Jennings might not be in the league in 5 years? this actually made me LOL

fixed :)

kozelkid
12-22-2009, 02:33 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb

:facepalm:

please, please no one group Bulls fans with this

CityofTreez
12-22-2009, 02:35 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb

I feel bad for the Bulls forum to have to read this guys posts on a regular basis!

As for the Bulls, lol @ Derrick Rose defense. It is literally invisble

sean17c
12-22-2009, 02:44 AM
I feel bad for the Bulls forum to have to read this guys posts on a regular basis!

As for the Bulls, lol @ Derrick Rose defense. It is literally invisble

ok i was just talking trash

but the kings will not even win 30 games this year



if the kings could trade evans for rose, they would do it in a HEARTBEAT

SAME FOR JENNIngs

so all of u muunkeys can get out of here with those weak rookies.

everybody in the league is cosigning rose, saying he is special

kobe , bosh the celtics, wade

they are doing it for a reason

the bulls will be better when tyrus comes back

WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THE KINGS AND BUCKS WILL NOT!!!

bears88
12-22-2009, 02:56 AM
after this loss i hope theres a bright light at the end of the tunnel aka getting ride of VDN

MaHaRaJaH
12-22-2009, 02:59 AM
Ha Ha! you guys pulled a Raptors :)

bears88
12-22-2009, 02:59 AM
oh god the bears and the bulls must have the most stupidest Coaching Staffs and the most cheapest mangment in both the NFL and NBA

BlinkManJan02
12-22-2009, 03:16 AM
that's rough. i remember the Bucks blew a 20 point lead or so, i thought that was a lot. 35 is ridiculous haha. The players must feel pretty embarrassed.

sw20
12-22-2009, 03:20 AM
ok i was just talking trashYou got no business talking trash about other teams after what happened to your own team.

ZebraCity916
12-22-2009, 03:22 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb

:facepalm:

THE MTL
12-22-2009, 03:29 AM
I guess you're right. We could be as horribly dysfunctional and irrelevant as the Knicks. So it could be worse than us Bulls fans have it.

Ummm last time I checked you guys were as horrible and dysfunctional as the Knicks. Matter of fact, Knicks are improving while the Bulls are going the other way.

A few days ago, Knicks came back from 20 points down to beat the CLippers. Yall lost a 35 pt lead to a team cause of a man named Udoka lol.

ZebraCity916
12-22-2009, 03:37 AM
ok i was just talking trash

but the kings will not even win 30 games this year



if the kings could trade evans for rose, they would do it in a HEARTBEAT

SAME FOR JENNIngs

so all of u muunkeys can get out of here with those weak rookies.

everybody in the league is cosigning rose, saying he is special

kobe , bosh the celtics, wade

they are doing it for a reason

the bulls will be better when tyrus comes back

WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THE KINGS AND BUCKS WILL NOT!!!

Another :facepalm: for this guy. Really?? Tons of players are giving Evans props too. If you think that the Kings would trade Evans for Rose you need to be medicated. Rose is good and has a lot of potential but Evans is the all around better player and has the potential to be better than Rose in my opinion. Evans plays defense while Rose does not. The Bucks and the Kings both have better records than the Bulls so how do you figure that the Bucks aren't gonna make the playoffs and the Kings aren't gonna win 30 games?? Makes zero sense. Do you really think Tyrus Thomas is the missing piece?? Highly unlikely since the Bulls have been rumored to be shopping him around for the past couple months or so.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 03:38 AM
Ummm last time I checked you guys were as horrible and dysfunctional as the Knicks. Matter of fact, Knicks are improving while the Bulls are going the other way.

A few days ago, Knicks came back from 20 points down to beat the CLippers. Yall lost a 35 pt lead to a team cause of a man named Udoka lol.

The Knicks haven't had at least a .500 record since the 2000-2001 season. The Bulls did last year and have been at least .500 3 of the last 4 years. The Bulls have a young franchise player and some good players surrounding them. The Knicks have a few solid young players and only hope that they can sign a free agent who wants to sign with a losing team. Enough said.

THE MTL
12-22-2009, 03:42 AM
stop acting stupid.


you wish that you could trade evans or jennings for rose


hahah rose is a future hall of famer

jennings might not be in the league in 5 years

and evans and jennings will never win a ring

rose has the potential to win 4 or more

stop acting dumb


.....But seriously dude, Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings are ALREADY BETTER than Derrick Rose!

(Your other points need no reply cause ur just that stupid)

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 03:43 AM
Another :facepalm: for this guy. Really?? Tons of players are giving Evans props too. If you think that the Kings would trade Evans for Rose you need to be medicated. Rose is good and has a lot of potential but Evans is the all around better player and has the potential to be better thatn Rose in my opinion. Evans plays defense while Rose does not. The Bucks and the Kings both have a better records than the Bulls so how do you figure that the Bucks aren't gonna make the playoffs and the Kings aren't gonna win 30 games?? Makes zero sense. Do you really think Tyrus Thomas is the missing piece?? Highly unlikely since the Bulls have been rumored to be shopping him around for the past couple months or so.

I'm not agreeing with sean17c, he's an idiot, but Evans is clearly not the all around better player. Whenever Rose guarded him tonight he couldn't score worth a lick. Remember the block in the 1st quarter? If our genius head coach put Rose on Evans down the stretch this thread wouldn't exist because the Kings would not have come back to win. Meanwhile, Rose seemed to have no problem getting whatever shot he wanted while Evans was guarding him.

THE MTL
12-22-2009, 03:48 AM
The Knicks haven't had at least a .500 record since the 2000-2001 season. The Bulls did last year and have been at least .500 3 of the last 4 years. The Bulls have a young franchise player and some good players surrounding them. The Knicks have a few solid young players and only hope that they can sign a free agent who wants to sign with a losing team. Enough said.

Last time I checked the Bulls gave up their leading scorer of those three years of 0.500 for the pipe dream of 2010 as well. And all u can show are first round playoff loses and a second round playoff sweep! Not much you can brag about :/. Especially when your team is going in the wrong direction

THE MTL
12-22-2009, 03:51 AM
I'm not agreeing with sean17c, he's an idiot, but Evans is clearly not the all around better player. Whenever Rose guarded him tonight he couldn't score worth a lick. Remember the block in the 1st quarter? If our genius head coach put Rose on Evans down the stretch this thread wouldn't exist because the Kings would not have come back to win. Meanwhile, Rose seemed to have no problem getting whatever shot he wanted while Evans was guarding him.

I hate when ppl call players better than others for the pure fact that they cant guard them. It so much more to being the better player than the sheer fact of guarding the opposing player. Tim Duncan cant guard Parker. Kidd cant guard Gay.

ZebraCity916
12-22-2009, 03:59 AM
I'm not agreeing with sean17c, he's an idiot, but Evans is clearly not the all around better player. Whenever Rose guarded him tonight he couldn't score worth a lick. Remember the block in the 1st quarter? If our genius head coach put Rose on Evans down the stretch this thread wouldn't exist because the Kings would not have come back to win. Meanwhile, Rose seemed to have no problem getting whatever shot he wanted while Evans was guarding him.

Rose would be guarding him and then they would double and sometimes triple team him. It wasn't just a defensive effort by Rose. He may have stopped him sometimes, but it wasn't like Rose shut him down. Doesn't Rose have one of the worst defensive ratings in the NBA??

How do you figure Rose is the all around better player when Evans' averages is better in every catergory except for APG which Rose is only beating him by .5??

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 04:00 AM
Last time I checked the Bulls gave up their leading scorer of those three years of 0.500 for the pipe dream of 2010 as well. And all u can show are first round playoff loses and a second round playoff sweep! Not much you can brag about :/. Especially when your team is going in the wrong direction

Well first off, the Bulls have a better chance to land a premier free agent in 2010 than the Knicks. Second, how are the Bulls going in the wrong direction? It's tough to be going in the wrong direction with a Franchise PG in his 2nd year. MJ (the GOAT) was drafted in 1984 and didn't win a championship until 1991. It takes time for a front office to find exactly what players to surround a franchise player with as they try different ideas. I'm not comparing Derrick Rose to MJ, but Rose could very well retire as a Bull with a few championship rings. He could end up without any when he retires. This all depends on how successful the front office is at surrounding him with the right players. One thing is for sure though, Derrick Rose has championship work ethic, attitude, ability, and potential.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 04:10 AM
Rose would be guarding him and then they would double and sometimes triple team him. It wasn't just a defensive effort by Rose. He may have stopped him sometimes, but it wasn't like Rose shut him down. Doesn't Rose have one of the worst defensive ratings in the NBA??

How do you figure Rose is the all around better player when Evans' averages is better in every catergory except for APG which Rose is only beating him by .5??

Evans is the far and away go to guy with Martin out for the Kings. He has the ball in his hand all the time. Of course on a team like that, the stats will look better. In addition, some of the role players are much better shooters than what the Bulls currently have surrounding Rose. Especially at the PG position, I don't want a player like Evans who seemed to be a somewhat selfish player at times tonight, that got assists due to the fact the ball was in his hands so much rather than good passes. Rose however, often doesn't touch the ball after he first passes it in a set due to the incredible mind of Vinny Del Negro. If you think stats can tell everything, you have a lot of thinking to do. And yes, Rose shut Evans down when he guarded him. Of course every player will get help on D from teammates, but when Rose was guarding Evans, he was on lockdown.

Kingz4L
12-22-2009, 04:14 AM
Now that Evans is 9th in the MVP rankings (According to NBA.COM), do you think he should get MVP if Kings get in the playoffs after the bismal record last season?

sw20
12-22-2009, 04:21 AM
Now that Evans is 9th in the MVP rankings (According to NBA.COM), do you think he should get MVP if Kings get in the playoffs after the bismal record last season?Dont get too carried away. Beside, they will never give a MVP award to a rookie from a small market team.

sean17c
12-22-2009, 04:34 AM
.....But seriously dude, Tyreke Evans and Brandon Jennings are ALREADY BETTER than Derrick Rose!

(Your other points need no reply cause ur just that stupid)

you have to be one of the dumbest posters ive ever seen on here for saying something that stupid



rose is a franchise player


jennings is a bum who shoots waaayyy to much on a bad team.

and evans is the same thing.



wait until the end of the year.

comparing 2 bums who have had some good games who are on horrible teams

to the great rose.

not to mention half of our team has been hurt for most of the season

yall are dumb as hell

Kingz4L
12-22-2009, 04:40 AM
Dont get too carried away. Beside, they will never give a MVP award to a rookie from a small market team.

You got a point, but I hope he does get it since we are in the Western Conference and a 8th seed in the West is like a 4th-5th seed strenght vise in the East.

jmtapia
12-22-2009, 04:57 AM
Evans is the far and away go to guy with Martin out for the Kings. He has the ball in his hand all the time. Of course on a team like that, the stats will look better. In addition, some of the role players are much better shooters than what the Bulls currently have surrounding Rose. Especially at the PG position, I don't want a player like Evans who seemed to be a somewhat selfish player at times tonight, that got assists due to the fact the ball was in his hands so much rather than good passes. Rose however, often doesn't touch the ball after he first passes it in a set due to the incredible mind of Vinny Del Negro. If you think stats can tell everything, you have a lot of thinking to do. And yes, Rose shut Evans down when he guarded him. Of course every player will get help on D from teammates, but when Rose was guarding Evans, he was on lockdown.

Bulls 10-16
Kings 13-14

The kings were off as a team its very hard to take anything from this game. Evans missed like 4-5 lay ups or plays at the rim. Evans also had some passes that werent finished around the rim. He could have easily went for 30/8/5 with better luck.

What matters to me more is that Evans took over in the 4th quarter when his team needed him the most. Rose had a great game too but if he could stop Evans he would have done that in the last quarter when Evans went for 11 pts and could have boxed him out one one of his 8 rebounds.

Evans will be scary when Martin is able to keep teams honest...

jmtapia
12-22-2009, 04:58 AM
you have to be one of the dumbest posters ive ever seen on here for saying something that stupid



rose is a franchise player


jennings is a bum who shoots waaayyy to much on a bad team.

and evans is the same thing.



wait until the end of the year.

comparing 2 bums who have had some good games who are on horrible teams

to the great rose.

not to mention half of our team has been hurt for most of the season

yall are dumb as hell

lol... i guess any young PG is a bum other then Rose...:confused:

yuns554
12-22-2009, 05:05 AM
you have to be one of the dumbest posters ive ever seen on here for saying something that stupid



rose is a franchise player


jennings is a bum who shoots waaayyy to much on a bad team.

and evans is the same thing.



wait until the end of the year.

comparing 2 bums who have had some good games who are on horrible teams

to the great rose.

not to mention half of our team has been hurt for most of the season

yall are dumb as hell

dude you need to stop, you are taking the definiition of homer to a whole different level..

sw20
12-22-2009, 05:10 AM
you have to be one of the dumbest posters ive ever seen on here for saying something that stupid



rose is a franchise player


jennings is a bum who shoots waaayyy to much on a bad team.

and evans is the same thing.



wait until the end of the year.

comparing 2 bums who have had some good games who are on horrible teams

to the great rose.

not to mention half of our team has been hurt for most of the season

yall are dumb as hellRose- 15.8 FGA
Evans- 15.7 FGA

Yea who is shooting wayyy too much now?

Kings are 13-14. Bucks are 12-14. Bull are 10-16.
Who's the horrible team now?

Stop making yourself looking like an idiot kid.

Kyle916
12-22-2009, 05:12 AM
ok i was just talking trash

but the kings will not even win 30 games this year



if the kings could trade evans for rose, they would do it in a HEARTBEAT

SAME FOR JENNIngs

so all of u muunkeys can get out of here with those weak rookies.

everybody in the league is cosigning rose, saying he is special

kobe , bosh the celtics, wade

they are doing it for a reason

the bulls will be better when tyrus comes back

WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THE KINGS AND BUCKS WILL NOT!!!

More ignorance.

asandhu23
12-22-2009, 05:14 AM
oh god the bears and the bulls must have the most stupidest Coaching Staffs and the most cheapest mangment in both the NFL and NBA

nah that belongs to Oakland Raiders and Golden State Warriors ( also based in Oakland, in fact right to Raiders stadium )

Kyle N.
12-22-2009, 05:16 AM
Now that Evans is 9th in the MVP rankings (According to NBA.COM), do you think he should get MVP if Kings get in the playoffs after the bismal record last season?

I'm a Kings fan, and you're getting carried away. Stick to ROY talk. :)

Kingz4L
12-22-2009, 05:18 AM
Is it possible that we are already getting Evans haters here now (what did he play? 26 games?) its really sad when other people talk crap about the player that lead his team from a 35 point deficit. Kings were 17-65 last year..Evans is getting us wins w/o Martin and Garcia...and all the Bulls fans (or some of them) can think of is how Evans isnt better then Rose...Seriously give the guy the credit he deserves.

hyphy king 88
12-22-2009, 05:22 AM
^Not taking anything away from Evans but you have to credit Ime Udoka who also outscored the bulls in the 4th and finished with 17 points. Without him we most likely would have lost.

To sean17c:

I love Rose as a player and he is a great talent but you sound like an idiot dissing players who have been leading their repectful teams to decent records as rookies. Don't be such a homer dude.

yuns554
12-22-2009, 05:22 AM
Is it possible that we are already getting Evans haters here now (what did he play? 26 games?) its really sad when other people talk crap about the player that lead his team from a 35 point deficit. Kings were 17-65 last year..Evans is getting us wins w/o Martin and Garcia...and all the Bulls fans (or some of them) can think of is how Evans isnt better then Rose...Seriously give the guy the credit he deserves.

I think its just that one guy, cause we all know Evans is a beast

jmtapia
12-22-2009, 05:24 AM
^Not taking anything away from Evans but you have to credit Ime Udoka who also outscored the bulls in the 4th and finished with 17 points. Without him we most likely would have lost.

To sean17c:

I love Rose as a player and he is a great talent but you sound like an idiot dissing players who have been leading their repectful teams to decent records as rookies. Don't be such a homer dude.

its a team game... of course other players have to step up specially when you have to make up such a big difference in score... Evans scored 11 pts in hte 4th quarter and made big shot after big shot... Brockman should be given props too he kept a bunch of plays alive.

Kingz4L
12-22-2009, 05:25 AM
Im just saying that hes 9th in the list..why would he be there in the 1st place over Duncan...the guy should be given serious MVP "IF" we get 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs...we were 17-65 last year for gods sake...how bad would the Heat be w/o Wade...and how many of you were pissed he got robbed from a MVP season last year by leading the Heat to the playoffs.

Cubsfan365
12-22-2009, 05:32 AM
You guys call Bulls fans Tyreke haters, while everyone acts like Rose is just not a good player. All year people have been saying Derrick Rose is all hype from his rookie year and playoff series, and everyone is saying he is overrated. People pretty much anointed Evans and Jennings better than him in their first 20 NBA games. The truth is Rose had an ankle injury to start the season and is now playing even better than he did in his rookie season. In his last 8 games, he is averaging 21.8 ppg, 6.3 apg, 4.0 rpg, and he dominated Evans for three quarters tonight. So when all you say give credit where credit is due to Evans and Jennings, maybe you all should give credit to Rose and stop acting like he is mediocre at best.

Cubsfan365
12-22-2009, 05:34 AM
Im just saying that hes 9th in the list..why would he be there in the 1st place over Duncan...the guy should be given serious MVP "IF" we get 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs...we were 17-65 last year for gods sake...how bad would the Heat be w/o Wade...and how many of you were pissed he got robbed from a MVP season last year by leading the Heat to the playoffs.
Sacramento will not make the playoffs, so no need to even consider that. And why would a player from a 7th-8th seed deserve to get the MVP?

Bulls_fan90
12-22-2009, 05:35 AM
You guys call Bulls fans Tyreke haters, while everyone acts like Rose is just not a good player. All year people have been saying Derrick Rose is all hype from his rookie year and playoff series, and everyone is saying he is overrated. People pretty much anointed Evans and Jennings better than him in their first 20 NBA games. The truth is Rose had an ankle injury to start the season and is now playing even better than he did in his rookie season. In his last 8 games, he is averaging 21.8 ppg, 6.3 apg, 4.0 rpg, and he dominated Evans for three quarters tonight. So when all you say give credit where credit is due to Evans and Jennings, maybe you all should give credit to Rose and stop acting like he is mediocre at best.

He also didnt play half of the last qtr. And when Tyreke got hot, im pretty sure Kirk was on him.

hyphy king 88
12-22-2009, 05:36 AM
its a team game... of course other players have to step up specially when you have to make up such a big difference in score... Evans scored 11 pts in hte 4th quarter and made big shot after big shot... Brockman should be given props too he kept a bunch of plays alive.

Of course, but out of all the players on the Kings, who would have thought Ume would have those clutch shots. 9 points in a row from 3 is crazy. Evans was beast as usual and supposedly all Brockman was doing was eating on the bus (Westphal mentioned) and missing a couple games but comes up with those rebounds that gave the kings second chance points. I love how they are coming from names that aren't talked much.

Kingz4L
12-22-2009, 05:39 AM
I dont think Rose is a bad player at all...Both are the future of the league..and I agree that he got players that cant shoot around him but our players are 17-65 w/o evans...it dosnt get much worse than that (unless your a Nets fan)...its sad when you let Gordon go like that...but Evans makes guys open with his ability to finish below the rim, how else do you think were winning our games man.

sacgiants1213
12-22-2009, 05:45 AM
There's not many players that do more for their team than Tyreke Evans.

jmtapia
12-22-2009, 05:49 AM
You guys call Bulls fans Tyreke haters, while everyone acts like Rose is just not a good player. All year people have been saying Derrick Rose is all hype from his rookie year and playoff series, and everyone is saying he is overrated. People pretty much anointed Evans and Jennings better than him in their first 20 NBA games. The truth is Rose had an ankle injury to start the season and is now playing even better than he did in his rookie season. In his last 8 games, he is averaging 21.8 ppg, 6.3 apg, 4.0 rpg, and he dominated Evans for three quarters tonight. So when all you say give credit where credit is due to Evans and Jennings, maybe you all should give credit to Rose and stop acting like he is mediocre at best.

Derek Rose is a great young player and looked extra motivated in the first half but Evans outplayed everyone in the court in the last quarter in particular in the last 3 minutes of the game. Evans had ton of missed opportunities at the rim he scored 23 points pulled down 8 rebs and had 3 assist hardly contained at all. Hes just the type of player that will take his points and then look to dominate down the stretch... this wasnt the first time hes done this... Evans just knows when to take over.

Rose looks like a great young player... you can see that great potential. Everyone is talking about Evans because he delivered...so credit where its due. If the Kings would have folded and lost by 30 then Rose would be the subject of conversation but everyone knows it Evans is the player everyone is talking about and Evans keeps delivering and i think its clear that Evans outplayed Rose tonight.

Evans has been delivering down the stretch game in game out...

Cubsfan365
12-22-2009, 05:51 AM
Tyreke showed a lot of class when he was taunting the Bulls fans during timeouts too...:rolleyes:

heathonater
12-22-2009, 05:52 AM
very demoralizing loss for the bulls players and fans. definitely shows that a lead in the nba is never safe. this won't win del nergro any rewards for his coaching, because there is no way any team should be allowed to come from 35 points behind and win the game. he obviously didn't let his players know that they needed to continue to play hard and not to let the kings gain any moment in the game.

Kingz4L
12-22-2009, 05:58 AM
Tyreke showed a lot of class when he was taunting the Bulls fans during timeouts too...:rolleyes:

Really Cub?

We come back from 35 and your upset that he was taunting??
What do you think anyone would do after comming back from 35??

Stop hating dog, I know its painfull watching your team lose right now...believe me I've been through it for far too long myself..but I never fault anyone for beating us a certain way...cause I'm not a hater...just give the credit the guy deserves man (or the entire team if its too hard for you to admit he was clutch on that jumper).

jmtapia
12-22-2009, 06:00 AM
Tyreke showed a lot of class when he was taunting the Bulls fans during timeouts too...:rolleyes:

ill give you that but i think its more about him being young and doing these kinds of things against the best in athletes in the world... hes usually not like that though. i think he just got caught up, in all honesty sacramento has low attendance so im sure he gets extra pumped up to be in a full house.

CityofTreez
12-22-2009, 06:00 AM
ok i was just talking trash

but the kings will not even win 30 games this year



if the kings could trade evans for rose, they would do it in a HEARTBEAT

SAME FOR JENNIngs

so all of u muunkeys can get out of here with those weak rookies.

everybody in the league is cosigning rose, saying he is special

kobe , bosh the celtics, wade

they are doing it for a reason

the bulls will be better when tyrus comes back

WE WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS THE KINGS AND BUCKS WILL NOT!!!

Am I supposed to believe you? or are you just talking trash?

****ing Dipstick! Face it, your team allowed a developing young team in Sacramento steal a road win, when we've had 2 all year. The Bulls allowed Udoka & Brockman to punish you guys behind the perimeter & 3-point arc!

CityofTreez
12-22-2009, 06:02 AM
There's not many players that do more for their team than Tyreke Evans.

don't tell Seannie boi that! Actually, let him read that and I'll get BrockNasty on him! :clap:

sacgiants1213
12-22-2009, 06:06 AM
If you guys didn't want Tyreke to brag, then you should have prevented him from scoring. I mean, he's a 20 year old kid who scored 9 points in the final 2 minutes of the game. Of course emotions will get the best of him. He's young and he'll mature.

CityofTreez
12-22-2009, 06:13 AM
United Center is my house biotches

DerekRE_3
12-22-2009, 06:37 AM
Doesn't get much more embarrasing then losing to the Kings. Hopefully this can finally show the FO that Vinny needs to go.

Uh....we have a better record than you.

BigEric
12-22-2009, 06:49 AM
Bulls fans, don't take it all personal. He's a 20 year old kid who is leading a team that was supposed to be the worst in the NBA, to relevance. Ever since he was 6 years old, he could remember how he wanted to play in the NBA. When you're losing by 35 points, then come back to win, on the road, I think that warrants a little emotion. I don't understand how all of this Rose/Evans comparison crap started here, but you're hearing it from a Kings fan, Rose is a special player, but Evans is too. Instead of hating on what Tyreke was doing, you should be more concerned with your teams heart. The Sacramento Kings don't hold opponents to 10 points in a quarter, it just doesn't happen. You guys gotta take a look at what you have and consider what you need to do.

Lil Rhody
12-22-2009, 08:21 AM
Thats Amazing bwaahahaha

fredv
12-22-2009, 09:08 AM
Tyfreake, Dontanian and JayTea owned da ish!

sacramentosking
12-22-2009, 09:16 AM
tyreke is better and will be better than rose imo

chisox2010
12-22-2009, 09:26 AM
The Bulls are the best worst team in basketball. They have all the right players to be a contender but none of the heart from anyone of them except rose and deng. Also the coach being a **** is helping them any either. This team has the potential to be great but will never happen. Fire the coach and actually sign someone in the offseason and maybe you can salvage some respect for this team. The front office needs to do its job.

SANTHI
12-22-2009, 09:29 AM
BULLS FAN here..


umm idk how the hell we loss this one. I turn the game on like "whoa we're killin' these guys!!" then they slowlyyyy start creeping back... and wow I COULD NOT believe the ending to this story, but yeah I really like Tyreke Evans and I think the kid is gonna be an absolute PROBLEM, no doubt!

You guys seriously can't count Rose out neither though!!


lol but yeahh, so the Rose vs Evans rivalry has begunnnnnnnnnnnn

pacofunk64
12-22-2009, 10:03 AM
Evans is awesome while the Bulls continue to under achieve. I like to give coaches a chance but it's just obvious that Del Negro (with no prev experience) is just not ready to be a coach. I'd like to see what Bickerstaff can do, he at least has experience.

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 10:52 AM
I only hope none of you Bulls fans committed suicide...good mourning to all the Bulls fan out there. Please reply so we can be sure all of you are ok.

CQSox305
12-22-2009, 11:00 AM
In the 90's I saw them blow a 20 point lead. This is the biggest I ever heard of the bulls or any team for that matter blowing.

cubulls
12-22-2009, 11:14 AM
Epic loss :clap:

The Bulls continue to take suckiness to new levels. New coach any day now :pray:

Bob_at_york
12-22-2009, 11:19 AM
Here is what a Toronto writer had to say about the ramifications:


They go to New York to play tonight, dragging the weight of that collapse with them.

The point of this whole thing?

On Dec. 24, 2001, Tim Floyd was ousted as the Bulls coach.

On Dec. 24, 2007, Scott Skiles was fired as the Bulls coach.

Thursday, I believe, is Dec. 24.

Cue the scary music.
Link: http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 11:20 AM
Uh....we have a better record than you.

The Kings are a team we should beat as evidenced by the 1st half. When we don't make stupid mistakes and bad turnovers the Bulls are clearly the better team. Please don't tell me you've fallen into the trap of whoever has a better record is obviously better.

nico916
12-22-2009, 11:21 AM
Evans and Rose are two awesome young pg and have very bright futures ahead of them. We should give credit to where its due and for 3 quarters of basketball it belonged to Rose but none of that really matters if you don't close out, so big ups to Tyreke and the Kings. I watched the whole game and I actually stuck by my team all the way because I know that the chemistry that the Kings have and the chemistry that the Bulls are lacking left it possible to bust out an almost impossible win. I think we should all give a lot more credit to Brockman, Ime, and coach Westphal in making that actually possible. Coach had to try like a million different combination's till one worked and when your down 35 in the 3rd with 8 minutes left most coaches would have been throwing in the towel. This Kings team has really changed drastically this season due to the coaching staff and acquiring players with good attitudes who want to play and win. You guys gave us a fight for most of the game but your team is lacking something that makes em compete for the full 48 and I agree that it was stupid for your guys coach to only play a small rotation when you could have rested players. Don't blame injury's because every team has injury's including the kings (no Martin no Garcia). And for the guy's who are talking mess about Evans and Jennings and are also being stuck on Rose's jock know this, there are no excuses that you can make up for your team and the statement's you make about the young rookies. All 3 can ball and all 3 are doing the best with what they got and if you feel like the rooks got it better then its because they made a bad situation look easy breh breh. You can't talk about injury's cuz the Bucks and Kings got em. You can't talk about it being a completely different roster cuz the other two teams got that too and the Kings got a brand new staff. Tisk Tisk just stay faithful to your team but don't be such homers and accept it when you get out bested its ok.

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 11:35 AM
Doesn't get much more embarrasing then losing to the Kings. Hopefully this can finally show the FO that Vinny needs to go.

Why is that? The Kings are better than the Bulls.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 11:37 AM
Why is that? The Kings are better than the Bulls.

Yeah, you're right. The team with the better record is always better and always wins. :facepalm:

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 11:42 AM
Yeah, you're right. The team with the better record is always better and always wins. :facepalm:

They have a better record and are better player for player. They also play better as a team. Evans would be the Bulls best player and Thompson would be the Bulls 3rd best player. They are doing this without Kevin Martin (he could be the Bulls starting SG) and without Garcis (he is better than anyone on the Bulls bench). Yes, the Kings are better.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 11:44 AM
They have a better record and are better player for player. They also play better as a team. Evans would be the Bulls best player and Thompson would be the Bulls 3rd best player. They are doing this without Kevin Martin (he could be the Bulls starting SG) and without Garcis (he is better than anyone on the Bulls bench). Yes, the Kings are better.

You clearly don't know much about the Bulls and basketball in general. Rose is better than Evans right now, and will probably continue to be. Deng is better than Thompson and Noah is about equal to Thompson based on our system. Go take a lap.

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 11:48 AM
You clearly don't know much about the Bulls and basketball in general. Rose is better than Evans right now, and will probably continue to be. Deng is better than Thompson and Noah is about equal to Thompson based on our system. Go take a lap.

No he isn't and it's not even close. Evans is a 20, 5, and 5 guy as a rookie and getting better. Rose wasn't doing that last year or this year. Evans came to a bad team and is leading them to wins, Rose came to a semi bad team and they are still semi bad. Evans also has a better jumper and shoots the 3 better.

$KnicksAndKobe$
12-22-2009, 11:52 AM
Yeah, you're right. The team with the better record is always better and always wins. :facepalm:

All he said was that the Kings are better then the Bulls ... which they are since they beat the Bulls ... Logic is the key my friend

nico916
12-22-2009, 11:54 AM
As of right now the Kings are better than the Bulls and it has to do with the way the Kings have played more consistently together. When players play for each other like the way the Kings do then the talent level doesn't mean much. I keep up with damn near every team in the NBA and I will honestly admit that you guys when clicking are the better team but that's not the case and it is evident. If they were clicking they wouldn't give a crap about the coach and what he wanted and would have won the game.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 11:54 AM
No he isn't and it's not even close. Evans is a 20, 5, and 5 guy as a rookie and getting better. Rose wasn't doing that last year or this year. Evans came to a bad team and is leading them to wins, Rose came to a semi bad team and they are still semi bad. Evans also has a better jumper and shoots the 3 better.

It's much easier for Evans to put up those numbers on the Kings, especially without Martin there. Kobe or LeBron (the best player in the NBA) couldn't lead the Bulls to many more wins the way Vinny Del Negro coaches, so that's not on Rose (I wouldn't expect an ignorant poster like you to know that though). And from the Kings games I've seen, Rose definitely has a better jumper right now. You also act as if Rose isn't getting better anymore? Oh yeah, I forgot Rose is already 21 and in his second season. He's reached his peak. You're right.

BALLER71
12-22-2009, 11:54 AM
Yeah, you're right. The team with the better record is always better and always wins. :facepalm:

I'm pretty sure we can all agree that the Kings are better than the Bulls. Go take a lap.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 11:56 AM
All he said was that the Kings are better then the Bulls ... which they are since they beat the Bulls ... Logic is the key my friend

If you want to look at it that way:

Nov. 17: Bulls 101 Kings 87
Yesterday: Kings 102 Bulls 98

Bulls win by 10. Bulls>Kings Is that how this Knicks logic works?

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 11:58 AM
It's much easier for Evans to put up those numbers on the Kings, especially without Martin there. Kobe or LeBron (the best player in the NBA) couldn't lead the Bulls to many more wins the way Vinny Del Negro coaches, so that's not on Rose (I wouldn't expect an ignorant poster like you to know that though). And from the Kings games I've seen, Rose definitely has a better jumper right now. You also act as if Rose isn't getting better anymore? Oh yeah, I forgot Rose is already 21 and in his second season. He's reached his peak. You're right.

Right now Evans is better than Rose. Rose is good, but Evans is better. You call me ignorant and you are the one that said Kobe or Lebron couldn't lead the Bulls to many more wins becuse of the way Vinny coaches. If they had Kobe or Lebron, the Bulls would be one of the top teams in the east. Kobe or Lebron would tell Vinny what needs to be done.

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 11:59 AM
If you want to look at it that way:

Nov. 17: Bulls 101 Kings 87
Yesterday: Kings 102 Bulls 98

Bulls win by 10. Bulls>Kings Is that how this Knicks logic works?

That is where the better record come into play.

HouRealCoach
12-22-2009, 11:59 AM
You clearly don't know much about the Bulls and basketball in general. Rose is better than Evans right now, and will probably continue to be. Deng is better than Thompson and Noah is about equal to Thompson based on our system. Go take a lap.

If they had Thompson they wouldnt have been searching for a post player.... Noah isnt good as JT AT ALL, he's better on defense but on offense JT has him by a LONG SHOTTTTTTTTTTTTT

hyphy king 88
12-22-2009, 12:01 PM
If you want to look at it that way:

Nov. 17: Bulls 101 Kings 87
Yesterday: Kings 102 Bulls 98

Bulls win by 10. Bulls>Kings Is that how this Knicks logic works?

Dude your such a homer. Thats a stupid way to show whos a better team. Thats why they have wins/losses to show what team is better, duh. Rose and Evans are both great talents. Give credit when its due and stop being so bitter. Jeez.

$KnicksAndKobe$
12-22-2009, 12:01 PM
If you want to look at it that way:

Nov. 17: Bulls 101 Kings 87
Yesterday: Kings 102 Bulls 98

Bulls win by 10. Bulls>Kings Is that how this Knicks logic works?

Wow lol I am just saying the Kings are better then the Bulls ...
ye you won one game but they won a game too plus they got a better record then your team ...

Take a lap my friend ...

nico916
12-22-2009, 12:04 PM
I watched that first game and the Kings were out done by a team that was clicking on both ends especially on defense but last night your team lost a 35 pt lead and lost the game by 4. Your team CAN be better but they AREN'T better. I think its safe most of us are basing this off of so far in the season and so far your team is not better then Sacramento.

HouRealCoach
12-22-2009, 12:13 PM
Really what good is their to say about a team that has been playing under the radar for the full year, WONT make the playoffs, Their best player is looking like CRAP, They were playing at HOME and lost by 4 after building a 35 point lead.... When the Mavs played they were up by 30 and lost by 2 in LA.... I can officially say at this moment that BULLS SUCK and the only way that They will be contenders is if next year BOsh and Wade take less money to build that type of team, NEthing can happen....

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 12:19 PM
Really what good is their to say about a team that has been playing under the radar for the full year, WONT make the playoffs, Their best player is looking like CRAP, They were playing at HOME and lost by 4 after building a 35 point lead.... When the Mavs played they were up by 30 and lost by 2 in LA.... I can officially say at this moment that BULLS SUCK and the only way that They will be contenders is if next year BOsh and Wade take less money to build that type of team, NEthing can happen....

Averaging about 23/6 over the last 5 games is looking like crap? You ignorant Bulls bashers love to forget that he was playing hurt with an ankle injury for the first part of the year.

I'll give you guys this: The Bulls with Vinny Del Negro as a coach are about equal to the Kings, but with at least an average coach we would be noticably better than the Kings and easily over .500. Let's just hope the Bulls Front Office pulls out their Christmas Eve special and fires Vinny so this season can get turned around.

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 12:20 PM
Averaging about 23/6 over the last 5 games is looking like crap? You ignorant Bulls bashers love to forget that he was playing hurt with an ankle injury for the first part of the year.

I'll give you guys this: The Bulls with Vinny Del Negro as a coach are about equal to the Kings, but with at least an average coach we would be noticably better than the Kings and easily over .500. Let's just hope the Bulls Front Office pulls out their Christmas Eve special and fires Vinny so this season can get turned around.

The Bulls can't be equal with a worse record. In the West the Bulls would be a 6 or 7 win team right now.

hyphy king 88
12-22-2009, 12:21 PM
Talk about bashers.:rolleyes:

Bob_at_york
12-22-2009, 12:24 PM
Man, how long are you guys going to fight? Does it really matter if some people in an internet forum think their team is better than yours?

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Man, how long are you guys going to fight? Does it really matter if some people in an internet forum think their team is better than yours?

Im at work and it is a slow week. Just trying to kill some time. Im not even a Kings fan, just live in Sacramento.

Gators123
12-22-2009, 12:43 PM
It's much easier for Evans to put up those numbers on the Kings, especially without Martin there. Kobe or LeBron (the best player in the NBA) couldn't lead the Bulls to many more wins the way Vinny Del Negro coaches, so that's not on Rose (I wouldn't expect an ignorant poster like you to know that though). And from the Kings games I've seen, Rose definitely has a better jumper right now. You also act as if Rose isn't getting better anymore? Oh yeah, I forgot Rose is already 21 and in his second season. He's reached his peak. You're right.

That's hilarious.

BTW Jennings and Evans are better then Rose.

aZekuiS
12-22-2009, 12:45 PM
everytime I turn on espn this morning it's ppl making fun of the bulls lol.

nbaguy123
12-22-2009, 12:48 PM
bwahahahahahahahaha:laugh:
sorry thats just pathetic, (this coming from a raptors fan)

aZekuiS
12-22-2009, 12:48 PM
yeah I agree Evans & Jennings are better than Rose, but it's not Rose's fault he's overhyped, he's doing what he can.

_Supreme_
12-22-2009, 12:52 PM
All this arguing about the Bulls or Kings being better than the other is the same as a 7 year old and an 8 year old arguing about who has the biggest penis :D

theimortalone
12-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Wow, that is simply amazing. Vinny needs to go!

Ethix11
12-22-2009, 12:59 PM
Tyreke is putting up better numbers in than Rose in their rookie seasons. In fact, Evans is putting up better numbers his rookie season than Roses sophemore season. So how the hell is Rose better than Evans when the Kings dont even have their top scorer in Martin and the Bulls were supposed to get better by letting go of Gordon? Bulls won alot more games than the Kings last season and now the Kings are winning more games than the Bulls. For one Reason: Tyreke Evans. I havent seen Rose make a significant change in his team that was supposed to be a ¨5th seed¨. They were supposed to be better and now theyre worse. Rose =:facepalm:

blams
12-22-2009, 01:12 PM
That's hilarious.

BTW Jennings and Evans are better then Rose.

They're not better. They are more aggressive and have a better coach. Rose has 2x the talent of both of those guys combined. They have been very impressive so far, but it will easily wear off.

JordansBulls
12-22-2009, 01:25 PM
The Bulls can't be equal with a worse record. In the West the Bulls would be a 6 or 7 win team right now.

How you figure this? We've been losing because we have been playing the top teams in the league. Lakers twice, Celtics twice, Cavs twice, Hawks twice, Nuggets twice, Blazers, Spurs to name a few.

Gators123
12-22-2009, 01:26 PM
They're not better. They are more aggressive and have a better coach. Rose has 2x the talent of both of those guys combined. They have been very impressive so far, but it will easily wear off.

Rose isn't all that great, get off his nuts.

$KnicksAndKobe$
12-22-2009, 01:28 PM
How you figure this? We've been losing because we have been playing the top teams in the league. Lakers twice, Celtics twice, Cavs twice, Hawks twice, Nuggets twice, Blazers, Spurs to name a few.

And don't forget the Kings and the Nets

Sorry had to say that lol

fairandbalanced
12-22-2009, 01:28 PM
Derrick Rose just stated on ESPN that they'll take their anger out on NY tonight. Stay tuned folks.

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 01:28 PM
How you figure this? We've been losing because we have been playing the top teams in the league. Lakers twice, Celtics twice, Cavs twice, Hawks twice, Nuggets twice, Blazers, Spurs to name a few.

Because they also lost to the Bucks, Raps (2X), Nets, and blow 35n point leads to a team that had the worst record in the NBA last year without one of their best players.

Kakaroach
12-22-2009, 01:29 PM
Duhhh game thread/Bulls forum? Hopefully he does it for the Jazz fans lol.

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 01:31 PM
How you figure this? We've been losing because we have been playing the top teams in the league. Lakers twice, Celtics twice, Cavs twice, Hawks twice, Nuggets twice, Blazers, Spurs to name a few.

The Bulls are next to last in scoring and 28th in point differential. The Kings are 5th in scoring and 16th in differential.

Gators123
12-22-2009, 01:36 PM
Right.... :yawn:

Ray_R
12-22-2009, 01:42 PM
Ive Lauged after the game.then i cried myself to sleep.

Chronz
12-22-2009, 01:44 PM
Who? Oh GQ guy, if he would stop modeling or start balling Id take him seriously

GodsSon
12-22-2009, 01:45 PM
they'll take out their anger long enough to mount a 30 point lead, only to squander it in the 4th

Ray_R
12-22-2009, 01:45 PM
he better take out his anger on VDN

cubulls
12-22-2009, 01:49 PM
Rose lacks fire. Too much talk. shut the **** up and ball. I hope the Bulls get stomped so he ends up looking like an idiot for saying that.

Hustla23
12-22-2009, 01:54 PM
I think the Knickerbockers will still win.

We play much better at the garden.

Harrington has been off the last few games but we still managed to win because of Gallinari and Chandler's awesome play.

NJrockPD
12-22-2009, 01:57 PM
Rose lacks fire. Too much talk. shut the **** up and ball. I hope the Bulls get stomped so he ends up looking like an idiot for saying that.

Too much talk? When do you hear Rose talk trash? I think Rose making these comments is him expressing some fire.

theuuord
12-22-2009, 01:58 PM
I can imagine him saying that in a quiet, humble monotone.

and then he'll drop 50 on the Knicks.

Raph12
12-22-2009, 02:01 PM
Problem is that he thinks he's a star already, he was overhyped last season and now he is playing without the fire that he needs to prove himself.

coloradobuff
12-22-2009, 02:03 PM
Bulls blow a 35 point lead against the Kings last nite. I gotta think they will muster together a good effort in order to try and redeem themselves after the embarrassing tank job against Sacramento.



Agree?

DLeeicious
12-22-2009, 02:04 PM
Yeah I like them as a +6 for sure tonight.

Gibby23
12-22-2009, 02:05 PM
I would take the Knicks. Bulls are on a back to back and I think they get blown out again because Im sure they haven't moved on from the game last night.

yuns554
12-22-2009, 02:06 PM
Rose isn't all that great, get off his nuts.

Kobe sucks too..

Gators123
12-22-2009, 02:07 PM
Kobe sucks too..

wow

IRUAM #21
12-22-2009, 02:12 PM
Kobe sucks too..

rofl

yuns554
12-22-2009, 02:14 PM
Tyreke is putting up better numbers in than Rose in their rookie seasons. In fact, Evans is putting up better numbers his rookie season than Roses sophemore season. So how the hell is Rose better than Evans when the Kings dont even have their top scorer in Martin and the Bulls were supposed to get better by letting go of Gordon? Bulls won alot more games than the Kings last season and now the Kings are winning more games than the Bulls. For one Reason: Tyreke Evans. I havent seen Rose make a significant change in his team that was supposed to be a ¨5th seed¨. They were supposed to be better and now theyre worse. Rose =:facepalm:

Ok here we go, people need to stop comparing stats and say that certain players are better than others. Tyreke as of now is the number one option, Rose is a pass-first point guard, they play different roles on their team. Not taking anything away from Evans because he's one hell of a player but don't act like Rose sucks.

And for people saying Jennings is better COME ON..yea he had that 55 point game but hows he doin now?? he gets points because he takes a ridiculous amount of shots, hes barely shooting 40% right now.

Kannon81
12-22-2009, 02:14 PM
I don't know I never heard Rose talk like that. Maybe he is fed up. Would be nice if he does back of that talk. Meaning he better have 30+ points and 10+ assists. I doubt that will happen.

theuuord
12-22-2009, 02:15 PM
I don't know I never heard Rose talk like that. Maybe he is fed up. Would be nice if he does back of that talk. Meaning he better have 30+ points and 10+ assists. I doubt that will happen.

Against New York, anything is possible.

Hustla23
12-22-2009, 02:17 PM
Against New York, anything is possible.
Come on now. This isn't the Nets we're talking about.

I don't think Rose will put up any spectacular statline.

The Knicks were smart enough last game to completely drop off Rose and force him to shoot jumpshots.

Rose cannot hit jumpshots.

Also, we had Jeffries guarding him so anytime he got close to the rim, Jeffries's length helped to alter the effect of Rose's driving.

I think they'd stick to the same gameplan.

Except this time around I hope they don't shoot 5000 threes. Unless of course they're making them.

theuuord
12-22-2009, 02:20 PM
Come on now. This isn't the Nets we're talking about.

The Nets and the Knicks allow the exact same amount of points per possession (1.09). The Knicks play a much faster pace, thus allowing for bigger statlines from opposing star players.

m26555
12-22-2009, 02:22 PM
A guy whose team just blew a 35-point third quarter lead shouldn't be saying anything.

Kannon81
12-22-2009, 02:22 PM
i wanna see this team LOSE by 30 so we can get VDN fired.

_Supreme_
12-22-2009, 02:27 PM
Rose is a pass-first point guard

Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Steve Nash are pass-first point guards.

Derrick Rose really is a shooting guard in a point guard's role.

I definitely agree with you that people need to stop comparing all these players to eachother for "better than" purposes, but peace in the Middle East is more likely to happen first.

pelmen84
12-22-2009, 02:34 PM
Del Negro's coaching style is hustle... if there is no reason to hustle we lose the games...

Why would u hustle when u winning by 35, or losing by 35?


Have you ever heard any of Vinny's comments to the players during the game?

It goes something like that : We need to run the ball, make shots, and get stops

Anybody could say that...

And the plays that we run:

Rose brings the ball, passes to Noah, Noah hold the ball for 5 sec, passes back to Deng/Salmons they hold it for 5 sec... pass to somebody else... next thing you know 3 seconds on a shot clock.. miss... We have no half court offense whatsoever...


Other than that I am actually glad that Kings won... maybe Bulls fans will get a new Coach for Christmas...

Cubsfan365
12-22-2009, 02:39 PM
Right.... :yawn:
All you do is hate on the Bulls...every Bulls thread I see, you are in it just talking trash every single time.

Cubsfan365
12-22-2009, 02:41 PM
Who? Oh GQ guy, if he would stop modeling or start balling Id take him seriously
He has been "balling" lately. Clearly you don't follow Bulls games.

SA5195
12-22-2009, 02:42 PM
wow.

Imagine the knicks win. lol

coloradobuff
12-22-2009, 02:44 PM
So many of these nba guys seem like they are sleepwalking. I think bulls do opposite tonight, and get focused and put together a good effort.

drama1386
12-22-2009, 02:44 PM
all i gotta say is wow. i though for sure the bulls had the game in the bag, but blowing a 35-point lead?? the bulls need a new coach now...

btw, tyreke evans is a beast! now i'm a HUGE jennings fan, but evans is definately rookie of the year if he continues playing like this!

pelmen84
12-22-2009, 02:47 PM
I hope bulls lose by 30 points today

Chronz
12-22-2009, 02:47 PM
He has been "balling" lately. Clearly you don't follow Bulls games.
Hes been better, but I still see the same flaws even in those good games.

mikantsass
12-22-2009, 02:53 PM
Knicks will win and cover the spread

_Supreme_
12-22-2009, 02:56 PM
Chris Duhon has been "balling" too lately, so Rose better worry about his defense tonight.

jimbobjarree
12-22-2009, 02:56 PM
commme on Bulls. Someone put a twenty on for me

yuns554
12-22-2009, 02:58 PM
Hes been better, but I still see the same flaws even in those good games.

enlighten us

SirCalvin81
12-22-2009, 03:00 PM
i like the bulls +45 till the 4th quarter starts

DerekRE_3
12-22-2009, 03:01 PM
The Kings are a team we should beat as evidenced by the 1st half. When we don't make stupid mistakes and bad turnovers the Bulls are clearly the better team. Please don't tell me you've fallen into the trap of whoever has a better record is obviously better.

You made it sound like it's embarrassing to lose to the Kings, like we are the worst team in basketball. Please don't tell me you've fallen into the trap where teams don't improve from year to year and think the Kings are the same 17-65 team they were last year.

_Supreme_
12-22-2009, 03:03 PM
No single coach or player loses a 35 point lead and the game. That is just scapegoating.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 03:03 PM
If Rose was a big **** talker like Rondo this might not mean as much, but he seldom calls people/teams out which he didn't even totally do here, but New York better be ready. Thats all I'm saying.

CityofTreez
12-22-2009, 03:04 PM
One of ours posted this in the Kings Forum. If I didn't like the Bulls already, now I hate them!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXWKS_A4nmU

I want to know how our team stinks? What have we done to be an utter embarassment in the league this year? We beat all the teams we needed to beat: Knicks, Nets, Pacers, except the lowly T-Wolves on the road! kendall Gill is a joke and will always be a joke! The only thing I remember about him was MTV Cribs and he showed off his stupid traveling bus, which was pathetic. Oh yeah, wait, he was on Pros vs Joes, what a shame! :facepalm:

Cubsfan365
12-22-2009, 03:07 PM
Rose drops 40+ in the Garden tonight...he can get whatever he wants against the Knicks defense and is legitimately pissed off i think for the first time and ready to prove something

Ray_R
12-22-2009, 03:08 PM
I hope they lose but not blown out to see what the excuse is for not firing Vinny DelNegro. *******

blams
12-22-2009, 03:19 PM
Rose lacks fire. Too much talk. shut the **** up and ball. I hope the Bulls get stomped so he ends up looking like an idiot for saying that.

Actually the problem has been he doesn't talk. He needs to talk ****, he needs to become more of a leader, because he is arguably the most gifted PG ever. Anything less then a HOF career will be a disappointment

ecorrea
12-22-2009, 03:23 PM
link please?

blams
12-22-2009, 03:23 PM
Rose lacks fire. Too much talk. shut the **** up and ball. I hope the Bulls get stomped so he ends up looking like an idiot for saying that.

Actually the problem has been he doesn't talk. He needs to talk ****, he needs to become more of a leader, because he is arguably the most gifted PG ever. Anything less then a HOF career will be a disappointment. High expecations? Yes.

NYK|NYY
12-22-2009, 03:25 PM
I'm actually offended. I hope we flatten them.

Hoopsadvocate
12-22-2009, 03:26 PM
Dont know whats worse blowing that lead or reading the excuses some bulls fans posted on here. The kings are not that bad, better than the bulls in my opinion (and it seems like in many others) at worst there on the same level so to say theres nothing worse than losing to them is :facepalm:. Some of you are also way overrating D Rose. He showed promise in the playoffs last year but right now hes showing it may have been a fluke. I personally dont think so but what i do know is Tyreke Evans is and will be much better than D Rose.

ecorrea
12-22-2009, 03:30 PM
link please, i dont see anywhere rose saying that

bigsams50
12-22-2009, 03:30 PM
Knicks arnt as bad as people are saying. If the Bulls underestimate them they will be beaten

madiaz3
12-22-2009, 03:38 PM
The Nets and the Knicks allow the exact same amount of points per possession (1.09). The Knicks play a much faster pace, thus allowing for bigger statlines from opposing star players.

That's when you take the first 10 games into account. The Knicks stopped being disastrously bad after that time, for what reason, we don't know. We also score more than the Nets, not because of the pace, which is a whopping 97 to 95 difference between Nets and Knicks. Much faster pace? Try GS's 103 to Portlands 90. We score more because we have better scorers.

It took the Knicks shooting 49 threes for them to lose the game versus the Bulls, not happening this time around. Sadly enough Rose will be stopped by Jared Jeffries this game.

MJ-BULLS
12-22-2009, 03:40 PM
i have a feeling that were gonna lose to the knicks sure rose might say he will take his anger out on them but, when u lose a 35 point lead u start doubting urself and start thinking what else can we do to get a win now and days :shrug:

NYK|NYY
12-22-2009, 03:42 PM
It's time unleash our secret weapon: Jared F'in Jeffries!

Chronz
12-22-2009, 03:59 PM
enlighten us
You must be new, Ive commented on him quite frequently but Ill do it again.
He cant even hit shooters 10 feet away with dead on chest passes, like that overtime win the other day. Yes he had a good game but he had fundamental lapses that I NEVER see a good PG have. Ive counted a number of times this year where the catcher had to drop below his pocket area, and this totally disrupts the timing of a shot. Put it this way, in 1 month of watching Rose, your more likely to see him make these passes more than Jason Kidd the entire year.

Hes not very good at passing period actually, but the timing of his passes are worse because while he has good intentions, he takes too long to make the proper pass when he penetrates (allowing the defense to get back in position) or overpasses when he has an open shot, and the next lob pass he throws will probably be his first. Simply put he doesnt have any understanding of passing angles. He doesnt see things before they happen. Hes turnover prone, lacks range, his defense isnt where it should be given his natural abilities. But hey hes 21

Chronz
12-22-2009, 04:00 PM
That's when you take the first 10 games into account. The Knicks stopped being disastrously bad after that time, for what reason, we don't know. We also score more than the Nets, not because of the pace, which is a whopping 97 to 95 difference between Nets and Knicks. Much faster pace? Try GS's 103 to Portlands 90. We score more because we have better scorers.

It took the Knicks shooting 49 threes for them to lose the game versus the Bulls, not happening this time around. Sadly enough Rose will be stopped by Jared Jeffries this game.
Is JJ really guarding PG's? Is DAntoni using him like he used Marion

sean17c
12-22-2009, 04:01 PM
everyone is hating on the bulls. we understand, you kings fans, knicks fans, who have not made the playoffs in decades have something to be happy about for once.

yall saying hes overated, but in the last 5 games, he averaging 22, 6 and 4

everyone knows when t time comes back, we will be back to form, so let everyone have their fun for now.

DaBUU
12-22-2009, 04:11 PM
Problem is that he thinks he's a star already, he was overhyped last season and now he is playing without the fire that he needs to prove himself.

Not sure if you been watching the Bulls much lately, but he's been playing great as of late now that he's back to 100% health. He's surrounded by crap and is being coached by the worst coach in the league.

DaBUU
12-22-2009, 04:14 PM
It's time unleash our secret weapon: Jared F'in Jeffries!

Just hope we dont unleash our secret weapon known as
Aaron "The White Panther" Gray!

LanceUpperCut
12-22-2009, 04:21 PM
everyone is hating on the bulls. we understand, you kings fans, knicks fans, who have not made the playoffs in decades have something to be happy about for once.

yall saying hes overated, but in the last 5 games, he averaging 22, 6 and 4

everyone knows when t time comes back, we will be back to form, so let everyone have their fun for now.

Tyrus will do what :laugh:

DaBUU
12-22-2009, 04:23 PM
[QUOTE=Chronz;11769177]You must be new, Ive commented on him quite frequently but Ill do it again.
He cant even hit shooters 10 feet away with dead on chest passes, like that overtime win the other day. Yes he had a good game but he had fundamental lapses that I NEVER see a good PG have. Ive counted a number of times this year where the catcher had to drop below his pocket area, and this totally disrupts the timing of a shot. Put it this way, in 1 month of watching Rose, your more likely to see him make these passes more than Jason Kidd the entire year.

Hes not very good at passing period actually, but the timing of his passes are worse because while he has good intentions, he takes too long to make the proper pass when he penetrates (allowing the defense to get back in position) or overpasses when he has an open shot, and the next lob pass he throws will probably be his first. Simply put he doesnt have any understanding of passing angles. He doesnt see things before they happen. Hes turnover prone, lacks range, his defense isnt where it should be given his natural abilities. But hey hes 21[/QUO


Exactly he's 21 and learning how to play the point in the NBA. As many times as you've seen him miss a pass, I've seen him collapse the D and drop a beautiful pass into the hands of one his crap teammates that cant hold on. You're being a little dramatic about his lack of PG instincts, IMO. His range has been improving all year and when hes on and running the team his way (not vinnys crap sets he forces on him) he's a force. He cant be guarded, him learning passing angles is only a part of his game.

Giaps
12-22-2009, 04:26 PM
Bulletin board material....

DaBUU
12-22-2009, 04:29 PM
Rose isn't all that great, get off his nuts.

He'd be the best player on the Pistons. And yes the dude is better than Jennings by a long way, Evans is really good, but Rose is just as strong and way quicker. Hows that BG signing going? I see the pistons fighting for that top spot in the east with him!

bkmikeyy
12-22-2009, 04:30 PM
Derrick Rose is a really good point guard.
With that said, I don't think I have ever seen a more overrated and overhyped player by his fans. HOF career? There are 2-3 players from his draft class that I would want before him, let alone him even earn an All Star spot in a very PG weak eastern conference. Give me a break, he is definitely talented and is going to be a very good player, but Chicago fans make him seem like he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I guess it is because he is a hometown kid that people are clearly insane when they talk about him.

Chronz
12-22-2009, 04:30 PM
Exactly he's 21 and learning how to play the point in the NBA. As many times as you've seen him miss a pass, I've seen him collapse the D and drop a beautiful pass into the hands of one his crap teammates that cant hold on.
My point is that for as many times as he does it, better PG's make those brilliant passes TONS more than Rose without the lapses. And its your opinion that these are things he can and will learn, when my stance is more like you should know this **** already. The learning how to play the PG is an excuse that wont last long. Yes it happens in complex systems but Rose is playing in a pretty simple flex offense and is making dumb mistakes with BASIC stuff. If hes taking time to learn this, then I cant even imagine how long it'll take for him to know when to balance how to score and when to pass.


You're being a little dramatic about his lack of PG instincts, IMO.
We just have different standards when it comes to grading pointguards.


His range has been improving all year and when hes on and running the team his way (not vinnys crap sets he forces on him) he's a force. He cant be guarded, him learning passing angles is only a part of his game.

A part of the game that lesser talents than Rose already had mastered. He will get better, but I have never fallen to the hype. Hes going to have to get alot better and soon to get me buying.

DaBUU
12-22-2009, 04:32 PM
You made it sound like it's embarrassing to lose to the Kings, like we are the worst team in basketball. Please don't tell me you've fallen into the trap where teams don't improve from year to year and think the Kings are the same 17-65 team they were last year.

Kings arent a bad team at all, your just not supposed to lose a 35 point lead to ANYONE! Its about the Bulls, not the kings.

metsbulls1025
12-22-2009, 04:34 PM
A guy whose team just blew a 35-point third quarter lead shouldn't be saying anything.

Your right. He shouldn't be allowed to answer any questions from the media :rolleyes:

kozelkid
12-22-2009, 04:34 PM
everyone is hating on the bulls. we understand, you kings fans, knicks fans, who have not made the playoffs in decades have something to be happy about for once.

yall saying hes overated, but in the last 5 games, he averaging 22, 6 and 4

everyone knows when t time comes back, we will be back to form, so let everyone have their fun for now.


Please shut up. Honestly, you are making a mockery of all Bulls fans.


Derrick Rose is a really good point guard.
With that said, I don't think I have ever seen a more overrated and overhyped player by his fans. HOF career? There are 2-3 players from his draft class that I would want before him, let alone him even earn an All Star spot in a very PG weak eastern conference. Give me a break, he is definitely talented and is going to be a very good player, but Chicago fans make him seem like he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I guess it is because he is a hometown kid that people are clearly insane when they talk about him.

Don't group all Bulls fans into this. There are definitely us few who realize he has plenty of flaws. He's pretty average as a passer, his ts% is pretty bad cause he doesn't do well at selling fouls, and he isn't a good defender. With that said he has a ton of potential and I hope that with a competent coach, we can start seeing some of his true potential.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 04:37 PM
Bulletin board material....

I'm pretty sure Isiah Thomas traded away the bulletin board before he left. Either that or D'Antoni is frustrated with its flashy way of getting messages across and is keeping it on the bench. :p

Gators123
12-22-2009, 04:38 PM
He'd be the best player on the Pistons. And yes the dude is better than Jennings by a long way, Evans is really good, but Rose is just as strong and way quicker. Hows that BG signing going? I see the pistons fighting for that top spot in the east with him!


Ben Gordon has been injured and Hamilton and Prince have only played 3 games each and the pistons are still a better team then the bulls.

BTW Stuckey (20ppg 4rpg 4apg)is getting better while Rose has declined from last year.

kozelkid
12-22-2009, 04:40 PM
No single coach or player loses a 35 point lead and the game. That is just scapegoating.

Says the guy who doesn't watch the Bulls on a regular basis.
Really. Try this for size. This coach, when we were up by 35, decided to continue to play our starters for the rest of the game. Rose and Deng played over 40min, that's ****ing unacceptable. Not to mention continued to play Kirk on Evans when it clearly wasn't working. It's no wonder we lost, and at least 90% of the blame rightfully goes on Vinny.

bkmikeyy
12-22-2009, 04:40 PM
I'm pretty sure Isiah Thomas traded away the bulletin board before he left. Either that or D'Antoni is frustrated with its flashy way of getting messages across and is keeping it on the bench. :p

I'm pretty sure the Bulls have enough of their own problems. I'm also pretty sure Bulls fans are upset that D'Antoni said no thank you to the Bulls organization and they are stuck with some knucklehead. I'm also pretty sure the Bulls would love to re-swap picks in a draft that they got the amazing Tyrus Thomas and take the Isiah drafted Wilson Chandler instead.

CityofTreez
12-22-2009, 04:41 PM
Kings arent a bad team at all, your just not supposed to lose a 35 point lead to ANYONE! Its about the Bulls, not the kings.

blunders, turnovers, and missed opportunities hurt the Bulls on 12/21/2009!

DaBUU
12-22-2009, 04:42 PM
Ben Gordon has been injured and Hamilton and Prince have only played 3 games each and the pistons are still a better team then the bulls.

BTW Stuckey (20ppg 4rpg 4apg)is getting better while Rose has declined from last year.

He hasnt declined at all, he missed all of preseason and was hurt first month, over the last 5 games since hes been healthy hes averaging, 22 6 4. Hes back to breaking ankles and held Evans to 15 points through 3qrts, Evans torched Hinrich last night.

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 04:45 PM
You made it sound like it's embarrassing to lose to the Kings, like we are the worst team in basketball. Please don't tell me you've fallen into the trap where teams don't improve from year to year and think the Kings are the same 17-65 team they were last year.

Here's how I look at it: The Kings are a team that we match up well against and should beat. Until we started playing sloppily we had this game all but wrapped up. I know the Kings are better from last year; clearly Tyreke Evans is a good player and should become a great player. With that said, he's a rookie. When the number one option on a team hasn't played 30 career games, it should be easy to shut that team down. Which Rose did until Vinny decided Hinrich should guard Tyreke. That's why we should have beaten the Kings. But until Vinny goes, it appears no lead will be safe. He can't inspire effort regardless of the situation, in addition to his inability to draw up good plays and a lack of general coaching knowledge.

Gators123
12-22-2009, 04:46 PM
He hasnt declined at all, he missed all of preseason and was hurt first month, over the last 5 games since hes been healthy hes averaging, 22 6 4. Hes back to breaking ankles and held Evans to 15 points through 3qrts, Evans torched Hinrich last night.

And not even 2 weeks ago Stuckey was the Eastern conference Player of the week averaging 27 and 6 shooting 52%. So yeah to respond to your previous statement, Rose wouldn't be the best player on the pistons especially because he doesn't have the balls to take control of the game in the 4th like Stuckey can

kozelkid
12-22-2009, 04:53 PM
I'm pretty sure the Bulls have enough of their own problems. I'm also pretty sure Bulls fans are upset that D'Antoni said no thank you to the Bulls organization and they are stuck with some knucklehead. I'm also pretty sure the Bulls would love to re-swap picks in a draft that they got the amazing Tyrus Thomas and take the Isiah drafted Wilson Chandler instead.

(A) You do realize we were frontrunners for D'antoni until our owner decided to be cheap.
(B) Wilson ****ing Chandler? :laugh:
You knick fans overrate him so ****ing much. He's a good defender, but the guy's offense is pretty nonexistent. We'd have no use for him, especially considering our major issue right now is offense. Gallinari, however, is a different story. Weren't you guys also talking about how great Balkman was. :eyebrow:

Cubs Win
12-22-2009, 05:00 PM
I'm pretty sure the Bulls have enough of their own problems. I'm also pretty sure Bulls fans are upset that D'Antoni said no thank you to the Bulls organization and they are stuck with some knucklehead. I'm also pretty sure the Bulls would love to re-swap picks in a draft that they got the amazing Tyrus Thomas and take the Isiah drafted Wilson Chandler instead.

I'm pretty sure D'Antoni is upset he didn't go to the Bulls as well. Did you see his face when he got the 6th pick and could only watch as the Bulls won the 1st pick in the 2008 draft? He sat in to grab the 6th pick for the Knicks while he watched the team who he rejected get a potential superstar in what was thought to be a two-player draft at the top. I can still see the scene in my head. It's awesome!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-vsQBwum7s&feature=related
Watch it at 1:10 for a few seconds and then at 1:38 until 1:44.
If you want to see who wins you can watch until the end, but I think we know who won the 2008 NBA Draft Lottery. :D