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JordansBulls
11-28-2009, 04:54 PM
Since we are a few weeks into the season we can now start talking about the early MVP candidates.

Here is NBA.com's list at the moment.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/11/27/racetomvp.week4/index.html



1. LeBron James, Cavaliers (11-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
15 38 29.7 6.9 8.0 1.5 0.7 .524 .364 .787
Last Week's Rank - 6
You knew it was eventually going to come to this. It took four weeks, but The King has made it to the top of the Race, pushing aside Steve Nash. It's not that Nash did anything wrong; it's that James did everything so right. And The Race wonders if LeBron will ever give up the top spot for the remaining, well, five months of the season. He got here by averaging 35.5 points, 7.6 assists and 8.0 rebounds while making 55 percent of his shots in three victories last week – all, The Race notices, without Shaquille O'Neal in the lineup due to injury, thank you very much. Perhaps O'Neal's return is the only way LeBron gives somebody else a chance in The Race. We should know more about that on Wednesday, when the Cavaliers face O'Neal's former team, the Phoenix Suns.

2. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (11-3)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
14 37.9 30.1 5.2 3.6 2.1 0.2 .488 .188 .857
Last Week's Rank - 2
Hmmm, LeBron and Kobe at the top of The Race. Who could have predicted that? Only a prehistoric troglodyte could have missed on that two-horse finish. The only surprise is it took so long for them to be standing side-by-side. Alas, Kobe's 30-point, 5.5-assist, 5.5-rebound week that garnered two more victories for the defending world champs has righted the NBA makeup. With Pau Gasol back as his wingman, it can only get Kobe more opportunities to pile up stats.

3. Steve Nash, Suns (12-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
15 32.7 16.7 2.5 11.9 0.3 0.2 .529 .453 .936
Last Week's Rank - 1
Nash reminds The Race of Raphael: An exceptional artist in his own right, but always overshadowed by da Vinci and Michelangelo (you are responsible for connecting the dots). Nash had 20 points and nine assists in one game last week, and 11 points and 16 assists in another. Both games were wins, by the way. He shot 75 percent from the field. And it still wasn't enough to keep him from losing his top spot. Should be interesting to see how Nash fares in that game against Cleveland and O'Neal since Nash has been pretty vocal about what a mistake it was for GM Steve Kerr to abandon the team's uptempo philosophy and pursue the lumbering big man.

4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (11-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
15 38.5 26.9 8.9 2.8 1.2 1.6 .457 .353 .891
Last Week's Rank - 5
Nowitzki is playing out of his mind right now, averaging 27 points and nine rebounds while leading the Mavericks to six victories in their last seven games. In the same way that The Race thinks Kevin Durant may one day revolutionize his position, Nowitzki has already done that for a 7-footer. Hubie Brown the other day said the German is the best jump shooting big man in the history of the game. On top of that, he can put the ball on the floor and runs so well. He's got a big game on Saturday night against Cleveland that should be an interesting matchup.

5. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets (11-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
15 35.9 29.7 6.1 3.5 1.7 0.3 .484 .333 .853
Last Week's Rank - 4
The Race had to raise an eyebrow when Anthony fawned over Allen Iverson's retirement announcement. It was our impression that Anthony was only too happy to see Iverson depart Denver, which has allowed Anthony to become a premier scorer in the league. He is averaging 29.7 a game on 48.4 percent shooting, and, because of his strength, size and skills, has perhaps the widest array of scoring mechanisms in the game.

6. Dwyane Wade, Heat (9-5)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
14 38.6 27.8 4.9 5.3 2.1 1.3 .428 .288 .787
Last Week's Rank - 7
The Race would like to think that the Wade "shot" that Michael Beasley put back to beat the Orlando Magic the other day was actually a "pass" by Wade, given his extreme skill. Though, given his 6-for-22 shooting night, it may just have been an airball. Still, the guy usually delivers, the reason he is averaging 28 points and 5.3 rebounds a game, carrying the Heat in the East.

7. Paul Pierce, Celtics (11-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
15 35.8 20.1 5.0 4.1 1.1 0.5 .510 .484 .843
Last Week's Rank - 8
The Race was starting to wonder what to do with Pierce. His numbers are not overpowering but he continues to help the talented Celtics win. Then, in his last two games, Pierce has averaged 30 points, six assists and 7.5 rebounds, putting up very MVP-like numbers to keep him in good standing. The Race is a big proponent of shooting percentage, and Pierce's 51 percent from the field and 48.4 percent from 3-point range means he has a very discerning eye for shot selection.

8. Brandon Roy, Blazers (12-5)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
17 36.6 19.4 4.2 5.0 0.3 0.2 .450 .344 .787
Last Week's Rank - 9
A scout recently told The Race: "He doesn't really have MVP numbers, but he is my favorite player to watch in the league. He just knows how to play the game. He'll sit back and let his teammates get into the game, but when it is time to take over in the fourth quarter, he does it every time." That is just about spot-on, and why the young Trail Blazers are among the best in the conference.

9. Joe Johnson, Hawks (11-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
15 38.9 22.5 5.5 4.7 1.0 0.1 .445 .333 .862
Last Week's Rank - 3
Johnson went from the talk of the league last week to almost out of The Race, his Hawks dropping two in a row and Johnson performing at a very average level – his 6-for-18 shooting performance in a loss to New Orleans bringing him back to earth. The Race chooses to look for now at his overall body of work – 22.5 points, 5.5 rebounds, 4.7 assists – and not just a down week while assessing whether he is deserving of the league's highest honor.

10. Kevin Durant, Thunder (8-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
15 38.6 27.1 6.8 3.1 1.5 0.8 .450 .250 .855
Last Week's Rank - N/A
The newcomer to The Race, though it is our suspicion that he will have a regular appearance among these candidates in the coming years. The thing that stands out about him is he has incredible length but gets his shot off so quickly coming off screens that defenders have a hard time getting a hand up. Once he adds strength and experience, he'll be very difficult to stop. Plus, he has his team a third of the way to last season's victory total of 23, which should not be overlooked.



Create your own list of the top 10 MVP candidates thus far this year.

Kakaroach
11-28-2009, 05:03 PM
Hey JB, dunno if you wanna but here's ESPN's: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/awards?page=awards-091124

randomness
11-28-2009, 05:10 PM
Since we are a few weeks into the season we can now start talking about the early MVP candidates.

Here is NBA.com's list at the moment.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/11/27/racetomvp.week4/index.html




Create your own list of the top 10 MVP candidates thus far this year.

My list:

1. LeBron James
2. Steve Nash
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Dwayne Wade
7. Brandon Roy
8. Joe Johnson
9. Brandon Jennings
10. Chris Bosh/Dwight Howard/Kevin Durant

Iodine
11-28-2009, 05:14 PM
Marko Jaric

sofargone
11-28-2009, 05:16 PM
Marko Jaric

He'll have to outplay Darko Milicic down the stretch

Deezy Dee 24.
11-28-2009, 05:20 PM
Marko Jaric has a fine wife so i could double that.
Dirk for MVP
but Marc Gasol for the all star team

DirkIsTheBest
11-28-2009, 05:20 PM
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Steve Nash
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Joe Johnson
6. LeBron James
7. Brandon Jennings
8. Chris Bosh
9. Paul Pierce
10. Gerald Wallace

sofargone
11-28-2009, 05:22 PM
1. Dirk Nowitzki
2. Steve Nash
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Carmelo Anthony
5. Joe Johnson
6. LeBron James
7. Brandon Jennings
8. Chris Bosh
9. Paul Pierce
10. Gerald Wallace
is it because hes the best?

Iodine
11-28-2009, 05:25 PM
He'll have to outplay Darko Milicic down the stretch

Darko's a *****. I mean the only reason he will average a quad double is because steals are so easy to get

Kakaroach
11-28-2009, 05:31 PM
is it because hes the best? :laugh: Nice lol, but Dirk has been great this year.

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 05:31 PM
1. Carmelo Anthony
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Kobe Bryant (yea buddy, step up ur game even more, I as a Laker fan am expecting more from you....and more on top of that. I am confident you will get your 2nd career league mvp this yr.)
4. LeBron James
5. Steve Nash
6. Joe Johnson
7. Paul Pierce
8. Dwyane Wade
9. Dwight Howard
10. Kevin Durant

JordansBulls
11-28-2009, 05:38 PM
Hey JB, dunno if you wanna but here's ESPN's: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/awards?page=awards-091124

Thanks, but it seems it was last updated on 11/17 while NBA.com was 11/27

jimbobjarree
11-28-2009, 05:42 PM
Gerald Wallace








everyone else

Iodine
11-28-2009, 05:46 PM
Gerald Wallace








everyone else

What sucks though is because his team gets no coverage and even though there playing better this season everyone is like :O dere da katz dey sux"

Basel
11-28-2009, 05:53 PM
Melo's stats are off the charts


30.9 PPG
49% FG
86% FT
6.1 RPG
3.6 APG
1.6 SPG
PER 27.9

Nuggets are 12-4 despite of injuries and suspensions. People are acknowledging Steve Nash, Wade, Kobe and Lebron James as the favorites, but I think Melo is playing a whole lot better than all of them. Melo has both MVP type numbers and wins.



Lay down your case why Melo is not the favorite to win the MVP this season.

ChiSox219
11-28-2009, 05:54 PM
Lebron.

sofargone
11-28-2009, 05:54 PM
as long as darko milicic is in the league it will be damn near impossible for him to win the MVP (melo)

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 05:56 PM
well, if u saw the mvp discussion thread, u'd see that up to this point, melo is my pick for mvp. he is the most dominant scorer (in terms of getting buckets and easy points) in the game today while bryant is the best overall scorer in the game today. Im a Laker fan and I have Kobe at #3 for mvp behind melo and dirk.

and JB, please move this to the mvp discussion thread. that is why this thread is there, and this message is to all of you who have the desire to create new mvp-type threads.

Iodine
11-28-2009, 05:57 PM
as long as darko milicic is in the league it will be damn near impossible for him to win the MVP (melo)

Unless your Jaric, Jawad Williams, or JJ Hickson

lmaohahaha
11-28-2009, 05:59 PM
Unless your Jaric, Jawad Williams, or JJ Hickson

Or unless you're DJ Mbenga, Premo Brezec, Erick Dampier, or Sammy Dalembert

sofargone
11-28-2009, 05:59 PM
Unless your Jaric, Jawad Williams, or JJ Hickson
give those guys a couple of years and i see your point, but it looks like darko has it wrapped up this year

sofargone
11-28-2009, 06:00 PM
Or unless you're DJ Mbenga, Premo Brezec, Erick Dampier, or Sammy Dalembert

DJ mbenga is some homo DJ only kobe bryant would hire

Vinny642
11-28-2009, 06:00 PM
Chris Paul is leading the league in 3 point %, what a beast. He wont win MVP but he'll be 4-10. But watch out for the Hornets

Iodine
11-28-2009, 06:04 PM
give those guys a couple of years and i see your point, but it looks like darko has it wrapped up this year

Jawad's darko diss on How to be an MC motha****a volume 33: reloaded murderd darko in my opinion

DirkIsTheBest
11-28-2009, 06:04 PM
is it because hes the best?

yes, Dirk Is The Best. he has been the best player in the league this year.

ManRam
11-28-2009, 06:09 PM
Chris Paul is leading the league in 3 point %, what a beast. He wont win MVP but he'll be 4-10. But watch out for the Hornets

He wont finish top 5, I doubt top 10. When he was healthy, his team sucked. Chris Paul is great...but he isn't even close to being an MVP candidate, and I don't think he can make up for lost time when he gets back.

I'll go with...

1. LeBron: amazing numbers, Shaq's been injured, carrying the franchise again
2. Melo: this is his team, not Billups' right now
3. Nash: leading the surprise team of the year so far IMO, ridiculous shooting percentages
4. Kobe: should get a lot of love for winning without Pau
5. Dirk: just being Dirk
6. Joe Johnson: I might have him higher than most...but I don't care
7. Brandon Roy: best player on a really, really good team
8. Wade: having a down year, Heat are off to a good start regardless
9.Durant: not shooting as well as last year, but scoring and rebounding totals are great
10. Pierce: having a good year, especially since Ray-Ray and KG aren't carrying as much of the weight...but I almost think this is Rondo's team now

Vinny642
11-28-2009, 06:15 PM
He wont finish top 5, I doubt top 10. When he was healthy, his team sucked. Chris Paul is great...but he isn't even close to being an MVP candidate, and I don't think he can make up for lost time when he gets back.

I'll go with...

1. LeBron: amazing numbers, Shaq's been injured, carrying the franchise again
2. Melo: this is his team, not Billups' right now
3. Nash: leading the surprise team of the year so far IMO, ridiculous shooting percentages
4. Kobe: should get a lot of love for winning without Pau
5. Dirk: just being Dirk
6. Joe Johnson: I might have him higher than most...but I don't care
7. Brandon Roy: best player on a really, really good team
8. Wade: having a down year, Heat are off to a good start regardless
9.Durant: not shooting as well as last year, but scoring and rebounding totals are great
10. Pierce: having a good year, especially since Ray-Ray and KG aren't carrying as much of the weight...but I almost think this is Rondo's team now

Bower- Coach of the Year
Collison/ Thorton- All Rookie first or second team.

We sucked because of Byron Scotts rotation, now we are playing Collison and Thorton and are beasting.

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 06:17 PM
Bower- Coach of the Year
Collison/ Thorton- All Rookie first or second team.

We sucked because of Byron Scotts rotation, now we are playing Collison and Thorton and are beasting.

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sofargone
11-28-2009, 06:18 PM
Bower- Coach of the Year
Collison/ Thorton- All Rookie first or second team.

We sucked because of Byron Scotts rotation, now we are playing Collison and Thorton and are beasting.
probably not

Iodine
11-28-2009, 06:19 PM
Bower- Coach of the Year
Collison/ Thorton- All Rookie first or second team.

We sucked because of Byron Scotts rotation, now we are playing Collison and Thorton and are beasting.

I finally get to use my favorite thing again


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Vinny642
11-28-2009, 06:22 PM
probably not

I know but its possible, I am thinking Thorton- All Rookie 2nd Team

FlakeyFool
11-28-2009, 06:27 PM
if the MVP was awarded today, its Steve Nash, no doubt.

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 06:57 PM
if the MVP was awarded today, its Steve Nash, no doubt.

:rolleyes:

um, he prolly wasn't even in the top 10 for voting for league mvp last season. the suns are "not for real". trust me on this one. they are still a shell of 04-05/05-06

FlakeyFool
11-28-2009, 07:04 PM
:rolleyes:

um, he prolly wasn't even in the top 10 for voting for league mvp last season. the suns are "not for real". trust me on this one. they are still a shell of 04-05/05-06

I guess you missed the part where I said "if it was awarded today"

And I disagree with them "not being for real." I think they might be, maybe.

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 07:31 PM
I guess you missed the part where I said "if it was awarded today"

And I disagree with them "not being for real." I think they might be, maybe.

if it was awarded today, it would go to melo, plain and simple. 50 pts, putting up big numbers while still being unselfish with the ball, rebounding very well, and unlike steve nash, plays pretty solid defense.

sofargone
11-28-2009, 09:22 PM
if the suns arent real then whos playing the raptors tomorrow?

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 09:37 PM
if the suns arent real then whos playing the raptors tomorrow?

dan majerle

sofargone
11-28-2009, 09:40 PM
dan majerle

thunder dan?

AllTheWay
11-28-2009, 09:47 PM
Lebron is putting up crazy ****ing numbers.

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 10:10 PM
Lebron is putting up crazy ****ing numbers.

i kno bro, 30 pt 8 board 8 dimes, shooting career highs in fg%, 3pt% and ft%

Kakaroach
11-28-2009, 10:18 PM
Right now its between LeBron, Kobe, and Nash. You could debate all 3, should be interesting to see how long Nash can keep it up and if Kobe continues to put numbers with Gasol back in the line-up.

Shady66
11-28-2009, 11:19 PM
Anybody the suns record is wrong?
anyways my top 5 as of now

1) Melo
2) Nash
3) Kobe
4) Dirk
5) Lebron

ko8e24
11-28-2009, 11:23 PM
2 yrs ago, I predicted Bryant would win MVP, and he did. Last yr, I predicted Bron-Bron would win MVP, and he did. This yr, I'm predicting that Bryant will win his 2nd mvp of his career, and dammit he will!

VIP1349
11-29-2009, 12:41 AM
Currently I'd have to go with Melo' as the MVP of the Season thus far, dude has carried us on his back while we didn't have JR, K-Mart, 'Bird', and such. I am a little biased however I'd assume sooner or later his stats will go down, though he's shown no sign that's going to be the case. But I don't see how he's not the current MVP with the numbers he's putting it up.

AllTheWay
11-29-2009, 12:46 AM
i kno bro, 30 pt 8 board 8 dimes, shooting career highs in fg%, 3pt% and ft%

Yeah I had just taken a look at em......really carrying that team. If the Cavs are at the top of the league again, it will be his.

AllTheWay
11-29-2009, 12:47 AM
Currently I'd have to go with Melo' as the MVP of the Season thus far, dude has carried us on his back while we didn't have JR, K-Mart, 'Bird', and such. I am a little biased however I'd assume sooner or later his stats will go down, though he's shown no sign that's going to be the case. But I don't see how he's not the current MVP with the numbers he's putting it up.

Because Lebron's are better, hard as it is to believe.

ko8e24
11-29-2009, 02:26 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (11/28/09)

Kobe Bryant: 20 pts, 6 rebs, 6 assts, 5 stls in a 130-97 rout of the Warriors @ GS

LeBron James: 25 pts, 5 rebs, 12 assts in a 111-95 victory @ home against the Mavs

Dirk Nowitzki: 27pts, 9 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 111-95 loss to the Cavs @ CLE

Dwight Howard: 25 pts, 20 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 4 blks in a 100-98 road win over Bucks

Brandon Roy: 19 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assts, 3 stls in a 108-92 loss on the road to the Jazz

ko8e24
11-29-2009, 02:30 AM
Yeah I had just taken a look at em......really carrying that team. If the Cavs are at the top of the league again, it will be his.

but the thing is, the fact that his team failed miserably in the ecf when cavs were expected to make it to finals for that big kobe vs lebron showdown, i think he may have loss some supporters from last yrs voting. They prolly won't be inclined to vote this yr for a guy who "may not" make it to the finals (like last yr), especially with Orlando still being there and with a much improved and healthy Boston Celtics squad.


PS: no knock on Lebron, but so many of his mvp voters prolly felt that the cavs would win the title, or at the very least, get out of the east last season. no doing so may make them biased "against him" perhaps for this season's mvp voting, no matter how great his numbers may be, and prolly even if cavs crack 60 wins.



And i think Celtics and Magic will end up with more wins than Cavs this season.

tr4shb0t
11-29-2009, 02:41 AM
In no particular order these are the only candidates IMO:

Lebron - if the Cavs can get top 2 in east by season end. he is playing great team ball
Melo - haven't seen him play too much but his stats are good and he seems to be the consistent one for Denver
Kobe - yea he's got help, but he still dominates and more importantly he elevates his teammates to play their best
Dwight - he's gotta start playing like he's the best because right now Bynum is playing better

I would say Dirk deserves it as well, but I don't see the Mavs finishing top 2 in west. And Wade is not playing that great.

AllTheWay
11-29-2009, 02:53 AM
but the thing is, the fact that his team failed miserably in the ecf when cavs were expected to make it to finals for that big kobe vs lebron showdown, i think he may have loss some supporters from last yrs voting. They prolly won't be inclined to vote this yr for a guy who "may not" make it to the finals (like last yr), especially with Orlando still being there and with a much improved and healthy Boston Celtics squad.


PS: no knock on Lebron, but so many of his mvp voters prolly felt that the cavs would win the title, or at the very least, get out of the east last season. no doing so may make them biased "against him" perhaps for this season's mvp voting, no matter how great his numbers may be, and prolly even if cavs crack 60 wins.



And i think Celtics and Magic will end up with more wins than Cavs this season.

All very much true, but if the voters vote the way they are supposed to vote, i.e. based off only this year's regular season, then BronBron is the best choice right now.

Don't get me wrong, I want Kobe to win his second one pretty badly, but right now, It would be Lebron's.

ko8e24
11-29-2009, 05:07 PM
Wow, in a 19 pt victory @ Toronto, Nash posts 20 pts, 3 boards, 16 dimes and 1 stl. Just flat out astonishing!

And in a loss to the Pistons in Detroit by 6 pts, Joe Johnson struggles mightily by going just 5/19 from the field and missing all 5 3pts attempts for just 10 pts, 2 boards and 3 dimes. Yikes!

still1ballin
11-29-2009, 07:13 PM
Kobe

TheWatcher34
11-29-2009, 08:27 PM
so far it's been nash...

kinnikuman24
11-29-2009, 08:54 PM
still really early but i think dirk is doing the best with the least.

ko8e24
11-29-2009, 09:22 PM
still really early but i think dirk is doing the best with the least.

:confused:

mavs are one of the deepest teams in the league

dirk, j-kidd, terry, marion, gooden, dampier, barrea, thomas (and howard is gonna come back soon)

Kakaroach
11-29-2009, 10:38 PM
Deron Williams is having a good year so far. He's averaging 19.5 with 10 assists a game. Not that I expect him to win it or anything, but perhaps a dark-horse.

jimbobjarree
11-29-2009, 10:47 PM
^Jazz will have to get one of the top seeds for that to happen, even if we got top seed the league would still ignore us, best we can hope for is DWill&Booz to the allstar game

knickerbockerny
11-29-2009, 11:01 PM
Kobe is looking like the MVP right now, with the dark horse being Melo

_KB24_
11-29-2009, 11:09 PM
It's funny to see all these candidates we're throwing in. It is alright for now, but once again, this is going to come down to a handful.....

1. Wade- His stats have gone down (Yes only 27 ppg :speechless: ) but he will be the usual Wade by years end.

2. Lebron- Sick numbers and a great team. Nothing more to say.

3. Kobe- Best player on the best team. Playing amazing defense and may finally win the DPOY.

4. Dwight- May be playing with the deepest team in the NBA, but he is the anchor of that team.

5. Melo- Finally getting the recognition he deserves. I've been saying from the get-go that he is on par with Wade and Bron. This may be the year he finally gets the glory he has been in pursuit for.

Nash and Dirk may be playing great but so are the people above. I would be SURPRISED to see either of them finish in the Top 3 by years end.

sofargone
11-29-2009, 11:16 PM
still really early but i think dirk is doing the best with the least.
WOW dirk is top 5 imo but his supporting cast is amazing

Lakers2000
11-29-2009, 11:50 PM
In no particular order these are the only candidates IMO:

Lebron - if the Cavs can get top 2 in east by season end. he is playing great team ball
Melo - haven't seen him play too much but his stats are good and he seems to be the consistent one for Denver
Kobe - yea he's got help, but he still dominates and more importantly he elevates his teammates to play their best
Dwight - he's gotta start playing like he's the best because right now Bynum is playing better

I would say Dirk deserves it as well, but I don't see the Mavs finishing top 2 in west. And Wade is not playing that great.
I agree completely.:clap:

ko8e24
11-30-2009, 01:12 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (11/29/09)

Kobe Bryant: 30 pts, 8 rebs, 7 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk (all in first 3 qtrs, did not play 4th qtr) in a 106-87 defeat of the Nets @ LA

Carmelo Anthony: 32 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 106-100 loss @ home to the T'Wolves

Steve Nash: 20 pts, 3 rebs, 16 assts, 1 stl in a 113-94 road win over Raptors

Dwight Howard: 24 pts, 16 rebs, 1 assts, 2 stls, 2 blks in a 114-102 road win over Knicks

Paul Pierce: 15 pts, 1 reb, 2 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 92-85 road win over Heat

Joe Johnson: 10 pts, 2 rebs, 3 assts in a 94-88 road loss to the Pistons

Kevin Durant: 25 pts, 9 rebs, 6 assts, 2 stls, 3 blks in a 100-91 home loss to the Rockets

Dwyane Wade: 27 pts, 5 rebs, 6 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 92-85 home loss to the Celtics

kArSoN RyDaH
11-30-2009, 01:29 AM
yeaa kobe is ballin on defense man. averagin 2.3 steals per game. on top of averagin just about 30 ppg. i wouldnt doubt it if he gets DPOY. altho id like to see him get mvp.

ko8e24
11-30-2009, 01:46 AM
yeaa kobe is ballin on defense man. averagin 2.3 steals per game. on top of averagin just about 30 ppg. i wouldnt doubt it if he gets DPOY. altho id like to see him get mvp.

well, MJ got both MVP and DPOY in either 86-87 or 87-88, so there is a precedent of a player earning both prestigious honors.

_KB24_
11-30-2009, 01:54 AM
JB, can you start up a DPOY thread?

nipo10847
11-30-2009, 01:58 AM
2 yrs ago, I predicted Bryant would win MVP, and he did. Last yr, I predicted Bron-Bron would win MVP, and he did. This yr, I'm predicting that Bryant will win his 2nd mvp of his career, and dammit he will!:clap::clap:

I hope u wont be hurt ;)

ko8e24
11-30-2009, 02:29 AM
:clap::clap:

I hope u wont be hurt ;)

naw, won't be too butt hurt if my favorite player of my favorite team gets his 2nd league mvp to go along with his 2nd finals mvp and 5th nba title. and a bit of a sprinkle of dpoy on top of all of that. and a cherry on top.

WadeCounty
11-30-2009, 02:52 AM
not making a list but wade should be nowhere near the top 7 as of now

marques724
11-30-2009, 11:40 AM
Unless the lakers win 70 games I highly doubt Kobe win MVP when you consider what he has around him.

Raph12
11-30-2009, 12:56 PM
Howard's play has been outstanding as of late, in his last 3 games he's avging 23.7ppg, 17.7rpg, 2apg, 3.3bpg and 1.3spg, on 71.1% shooting from the field.

After the loss to the Heat, SVG said he wants Howard to be the #1 option on offense and be more aggressive on defense, and since then, his touches have seen an increase from that point on and his defense looks to be over the top again.

If D12 can keep his numbers close to this production for a full season while the Magic win the East, I can't see anyone else winning MVP or DPOY.

ko8e24
11-30-2009, 03:33 PM
Unless the lakers win 70 games I highly doubt Kobe win MVP when you consider what he has around him.

ok

BKdoubleStacker
11-30-2009, 03:48 PM
Unless the lakers win 70 games I highly doubt Kobe win MVP when you consider what he has around him.

then how did nash rob kobe two years in a row??:confused::confused:

look at when kobe scored 35 ppg that one year when nash stole it, he had smush freaking parker and kwame brown starting.

nash had stoudamire, marion, barbosa, bell, richardson, johnson, diaw etc.

abe_froman
11-30-2009, 04:01 PM
then how did nash rob kobe two years in a row??:confused::confused:

look at when kobe scored 35 ppg that one year when nash stole it, he had smush freaking parker and kwame brown starting.

nash had stoudamire, marion, barbosa, bell, richardson, johnson, diaw etc.

nash lead a turn around of the suns to top in the league,kobe while putting up amazing numbers could barely get into the playoffs..that and his efficiency was crazy

JordansBulls
11-30-2009, 05:08 PM
JB, can you start up a DPOY thread?

Maybe half way thru the year we can. Everyone would want a thread based on each thing. Such as ROY, 6th man, COY, etc.

JordansBulls
11-30-2009, 05:09 PM
Lakers will have to get or tie for the best record in the league for Kobe to get it. The same goes for Lebron.

kinnikuman24
11-30-2009, 08:27 PM
:confused:

mavs are one of the deepest teams in the league

dirk, j-kidd, terry, marion, gooden, dampier, barrea, thomas (and howard is gonna come back soon)

when howard comes back they should be real good. i dont really think dampier gooden or terry are that good. i know terry is a good sixth man. marion and kidd look old out there. but your right he has more help than i remembered at least on paper.

JWO35
11-30-2009, 08:37 PM
lol if Brandon Jennings wins MVP...he should legally changed his name to G.O.A.T

Lakersfan2483
11-30-2009, 09:15 PM
Top MVP candidates thus far are:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Nash
5. Melo
6. Dirk

ko8e24
12-01-2009, 03:33 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (11/30/09)

Dirk Nowitzki: 28 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assts in a 104-102 home win over the 76ers

thapharcyd
12-01-2009, 05:06 AM
Top MVP candidates thus far are:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Nash
5. Melo
6. Dirk

Hmm I agree for the most part but I would move Nash to 2 or 3... Cuz as of right NOW Suns have best record and that is because of Nash... Now come end of season your prediction here will probably be more accurate

BKdoubleStacker
12-01-2009, 06:00 PM
nash lead a turn around of the suns to top in the league,kobe while putting up amazing numbers could barely get into the playoffs..that and his efficiency was crazy

...and kobe had a **** team...yet he single handily got them into the playoffs

and yet kobe shouldnt win it this year because he has talent around him???

and leading a turn around is irrelevant considering the talent he had around him...

if nash had the 2006 team kobe had they wouldnt of even sniffed .500

Lakersfan2483
12-01-2009, 06:09 PM
...and kobe had a **** team...yet he single handily got them into the playoffs

and yet kobe shouldnt win it this year because he has talent around him???

and leading a turn around is irrelevant considering the talent he had around him...

if nash had the 2006 team kobe had they wouldnt of even sniffed .500

True, in 06 Kobe didn't have one of the best power forwards in Amare, veterans like Grant Hill, J. Rich and Barbosa. Nash makes that team go, but that team has talent and 2 all star players. If Kobe had that team in 06, they would have gone to the Western Conf. Finals at the minimum..... Kobe carried a team of drunken sailors to 45 wins playing along side zero, count them, zero all stars..... (Smush, Kwame and Walton were all starters and Odom has always been inconsistent and that's just being polite)

Hawkeye15
12-01-2009, 08:47 PM
Top MVP candidates thus far are:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Nash
5. Melo
6. Dirk

so far, this is correct

ko8e24
12-01-2009, 10:19 PM
Nash's teammates in 2004-2005: Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson, Smush Parker (played just 5 games), Leandro Barbosa, Zarko Cabarkapa, Steven Hunter, Jim Jackson, Casey Jacobsen, Maciej Lampe, Walter McCarty, Bo Outlaw, Paul Shirley, Yuta Tabuse, Jackson Vroman, Jake Voskuhl


Nash't teammates in 2005-2006: Amare Stoudemire (played only 3 games due to injury), Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Brian Grant, Leandro Barbosa, Sharrod Ford, Eddie House, Jared Reiner, James Jones, Jim Jackson (played 27 games, then cut and signed by Lakers), Andre Barrett, Pat Burke, Josh Davis, Tim Thomas, Kurt Thomas, Dijon Thompson, Nikoloz Tskitishvili, Lucas Tischer




Just look at all those bolded names.

_KB24_
12-01-2009, 10:57 PM
I have a feeling ESPN and the NBA already have a lock for the MVP.....

ko8e24
12-02-2009, 01:40 AM
I have a feeling ESPN and the NBA already have a lock for the MVP.....

ssssshhhh, don't let the lebron fans know


lol

NYKnicks4511
12-02-2009, 01:56 AM
1. Eddy Curry
2. Jerome James

I think Curry has really stepped his game up. Not only has he become the Jenny Craig of the NBA but his goatee is quite stylish and sexy for a man of his size. His exquisite facial features are a sight to behold as he gracefully frolicks up the court, while spraying liquid diamonds of sweat into the crowd. He truly is the MVP frontrunner this season.

NOT SO FAST.
Jerome James and his tiny ears are creeping up on Curry, he loves taking long walks on the beach, stargazing, and benchwarming with his 'Cinnabuns'. He's definitely a sleeper in this year's race.

Raph12
12-02-2009, 02:12 AM
Top MVP candidates thus far are:

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Wade
4. Nash
5. Melo
6. Dirk
^

so far, this is correct

Remove Wade completely and put Dwight at #6 and you got yourself a list.

GoatMilk
12-02-2009, 02:15 AM
the lakers are going to have too good a record to not have an award winner.

no 6th man
Phil never wins COY. it'll go to ATL's Woodson
DPoy, idk if they have someone to win it. Artest has been great as usual, but i dont know
ROY, no

so Kobe will win MVP

ko8e24
12-02-2009, 03:15 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/01/09)

Kobe Bryant: 18 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assts, 2 stls in a 110-99 home win over the Hornets

Steve Nash: 20 pts, 3 rebs, 8 assts, 1 blk in a 126-99 road loss to the Knicks

Paul Pierce: 8 pts, 2 rebs, 2 assts in a 108-90 road win over the Bobcats

Carmelo Anthony: 25 pts, 7 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl in a 135-107 home win over the Warriors

Dwyane Wade: 22 pts, 5 rebs, 12 assts, 1 stl in a 107-100 road win over Trailblazers

Brandon Roy: 25 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts, 1 stl in a 107-100 home loss to the Heat

ko8e24
12-03-2009, 01:18 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/02/09)

Kevin Durant: 33 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assts, 3 stls, 1 blk in a 117-106 home win over 76ers

Dirk Nowitzki: 24 pts, 7 rebs, 8 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 117-101 road win over Nets

Joe Johnson: 12 pts, 6 rebs, 11 assts, 1 stl in a 146-115 home win over Raptors

LeBron James: 12 pts, 8 rebs, 10 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 107-90 home win over Suns

Steve Nash: 14 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts, 1 stl in a 107-90 road loss to Cavaliers

Dwight Howard: 19 pts, 10 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl in a 118-104 home win over Knicks

ko8e24
12-04-2009, 02:12 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/03/09)

Carmelo Anthony: 22 pts, 3 rebs, 1 asst, 1 blk in a 114-96 home win over Heat

Dwyane Wade: 25 pts, 10 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl in a 114-96 road loss to Nuggets

Paul Pierce: 8 pts, 2 rebs, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 90-83 road win over Spurs

BlondeBomber41
12-04-2009, 02:33 AM
Wade was awful tonight. Regardless of the #'s he ended up with, during the time that the game was actually a contest he shot like 1-10 from the field.

ko8e24
12-04-2009, 05:20 PM
Here is NBA.com's List at the Moment

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/12/04/racetomvp.week5/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (14-3)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
17 36.6 28.8 5.3 4.0 2.3 0.2 .489 .292 .857

Last Week's Rank - 2
There is a very good chance that the remainder of the season settles in this way, Kobe and LeBron flip-flopping between the top spot and No. 2 based on how their teams do collectively or how they do individually. In this case, Bryant earns his first seat in the throne for two reasons: His teams finds itself on a seven-game win streak and, well, he's really good. The win streak has as much to do with the return of Pau Gasol because Kobe continues to play at a high level. But Bryant is incorporating both Gasol and Andrew Bynum into the Lakers' offense, taking fewer shots but elevating his assist total in the last week.

2. LeBron James, Cavaliers (13-5)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
18 37.7 28.2 6.8 8.1 1.3 0.7 .518 .333 .783

Last Week's Rank - 1
The Race found it convenient that less than 12 hours after predicting that Shaquille O'Neal could be the one factor that stands in the way of James accumulating every honor out there for the foreseeable future, the Cavs dropped the first game in O'Neal's return from injury. However, they more than redeemed themselves when they forged victories over Dallas and then Phoenix, O'Neal's former team against which you knew he wanted revenge for sullying his reputation. James had 25 and 12 in the Dallas victory, then nearly had a triple-double of 12 points, 10 assists and eight rebounds vs. the Suns.

3. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs (14-5)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
19 38.1 27.0 8.4 3.1 1.1 1.5 .473 .350 .888

Last Week's Rank - 4
If anybody can understand a bit of what Tiger Woods is going through, it's Nowitzki, who had an entire raft of domestic turmoil become public last year. The German seems to have put those issues behind him -- which were easier to do since he never married the girl -- and a weight seems to have been lifted from Nowitzki. He continues to play at an extremely high level, currently averaging career highs in points (27), assists (3.1) and blocks (1.3). Makes one wonder just how good Tiger can be once he gets past this mess.

4. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets (14-5)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
19 36.0 30.2 5.9 3.4 1.4 0.3 .489 .353 .869

Last Week's Rank - 5
Anthony continues to be the only player in the league who has scored at least 20 points in each of the game in which he's participated this year. His worst game, in fact, may have come this week, a 22-point, three-rebound, one-assist effort in which he shot just 6-for-17. However, it came during a blowout victory over Dwyane Wade's Miami Heat, which came two days after a 28-point blowout of Golden State. Anthony has helped the Nugs win six of their past seven games and he continues to expand his arsenal. An interesting matchup comes this week, when the Nuggets and Anthony happen to face Philadelphia and newly acquired guard Allen Iverson, Anthony's former teammate.

5. Dwight Howard, Magic (15-4)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
19 32.6 18.2 12.3 1.5 1.0 1.8 .652 --- .568

Last Week's Rank - N/A
Howard has been oddly quiet this year, perhaps in part because he is trying to figure out how to mesh with three other quality players on the floor at the same time. He went two consecutive games without a block a few weeks back, unheard of for the defensive player of the year. But he has been a monster of late, recording 10 consecutive double-doubles, including a 25-point, 20-rebound, four-block effort in a win over Milwaukee last week, a game in which he actually took (and missed) a 3-pointer. The Magic have won nine of 10 to sit atop the East, and Howard's recent contributions should not go unnoticed.

6. Steve Nash, Suns (14-5)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
19 32.3 16.5 2.8 11.5 0.4 0.2 .523 .441 .944

Last Week's Rank - 3
The Suns and Nash have hit hard times, Phoenix getting thumped on back-to-back nights by New York -- yes, the Knicks -- and Cleveland in a matchup against Shaquille O'Neal. The Suns lost by an average of 22 points, and for only the third time this season Nash had back-to-back games of less than double-digit assists. He had a combined 10 turnovers to just 13 assists in those games, an unheard of ratio for him. The Suns get a likely reprieve against Sacramento on Saturday, but the next day they get the Lakers, against whom Nash had one of his worst games of the year.

7. Kevin Durant, Thunder (10-8)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
18 39.3 27.7 7.1 3.3 1.7 0.9 .457 .288 .867

Last Week's Rank - 10
Unlike Milwaukee's Brandon Jennings, who made a brief appearance in The Race, only to then shoot 30 percent and average 11 points less in his next five games, Durant has actually played better. Here is a statistical oddity with him, however: He is averaging a career-high 27.7 points a game, yet his 3-point percentage has gone from 42.2 percent last year to 28.8 percent this year, a significant drop-off -- which means he is required to score far more points inside the arc and at the free throw line. Coincidentally, it is the exact same 3-point percentage he had his rookie season, a difficult anomaly to achieve given the number of shots that are hoisted.

8. Dwyane Wade, Heat (10-8)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
18 38.3 26.7 5.1 5.7 1.9 1.1 .427 .250 .763

Last Week's Rank - 6
Wade obviously remains one of the league's top talents, but, like the Suns, the Heat is struggling. (What is it with the Thermal teams in the month of December? Somewhere in that question is a statistical analysis.) Miami has lost three of its last four and its record has dropped to 10-8. Wade has actually been pretty pedestrian in the recent stretch, and he has shot less than 50 percent from the field in nine of his last 11 games. The Race still doesn't think Wade has a great deal of talent around him; perhaps he or his opponents -- is starting to realize that.

9. Tim Duncan, Spurs (9-7)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
14 31.9 18.4 11.1 3.6 0.4 2.0 .534 --- .739

Last Week's Rank - N/A
It is obvious that Duncan -- and this incarnation of the Spurs for that matter -- is in the twilight of his career. But after struggling early on, Duncan has manufactured some very impressive games of late, eclipsing 20 points in seven of his last nine games and allowing the Spurs to win five of their past six. He is shooting a career-high 54.9 percent from the field and his rebounds and assists both are up over a year ago. Keep an eye on Duncan as a sleeper -- but that is assuming his teammates remain healthy, a big part of his success at this point.

10. Brandon Roy, Blazers (12-8)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 37.0 20.0 4.5 5.2 0.6 0.2 .443 .342 .800

Last Week's Rank - 8
This spot could go to a number of people really, and Toronto's Chris Bosh deserves a mention somewhere along the way. But as well as Bosh is playing, The Race finds it difficult to consider among the MVPs a player on a team with a 7-13 record, which should be far better than that. Paul Pierce and Joe Johnson have been downright average, which means that Roy gets this spot almost by default. Roy actually had a very good statistically, averaging 23 points and six assists, but his Blazers are in the midst of a three-game losing streak. Monta Ellis's recent exploits also deserve a mention in here.

ko8e24
12-04-2009, 05:25 PM
This is ESPN's Award Watch for the MVP

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/awards?page=awards-091201

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
16 36.9 .490 .279 .850 2.3 0.3 5.4 4.0 29.5 26.2
Get used to seeing Kobe here. The Lakers have won six in a row and he is averaging 26.2 points, 6.8 rebounds and 6.4 assists in the five games since Pau Gasol returned. (Last week: 2 | Team record: 13-3)

2. LeBron James, Cavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
17 37.9 .523 .347 .783 1.3 0.6 6.7 8.0 29.2 31.2
The league's top all-around player has the Cavs rolling, and although his criticism of Mike Brown didn't make his coach happy, it showed his teammates he has their back. (Last week: 3 | Team record: 12-5)

3. Steve Nash, Suns

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
17 32.4 .531 .443 .939 0.4 0.2 2.6 12.1 16.4 23.5
The biggest advantage the two guys above have on Nash is their D. Nash, who has tallied at least 16 assists six times this season, has the Suns in first place in the West. (Last week: 1 | Team record: 14-3)

4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
18 38.3 .468 .361 .885 1.1 1.5 8.5 2.8 27.2 26.2
The Mavericks are one of the league's biggest surprises. Dirk is having arguably the best season of his career and is dominating games in the fourth quarter. (Last week: 4 | Team record: 13-5)

5. C. Anthony, Nuggets

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
17 36.5 .493 .356 .864 1.5 0.3 6.0 3.5 31.0 27.7
The league's leading scorer ran all over the Knicks for 50 points on 17-of-28 shooting (15-for-16 free throws). He has scored at least 20 points in every game this season. (Last week: 5 | Team record: 12-5)

6. Dwight Howard, Magic

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
18 32.9 .643 .000 .561 0.9 1.9 12.4 1.4 18.1 24.8
He is hitting the glass hard, pulling down at least 16 boards in each of his last four games to take over as the league leader in rebounds. He is also starting to score more points. (Last week: 10 | Team record: 14-4)

7. Dwyane Wade, Heat

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
16 38.6 .425 .265 .776 2.1 1.3 4.8 5.4 27.1 24.8
This season is starting to resemble 2008-09, when Miami's win total hurt Wade's MVP chances. Miami has lost six of its past 10 despite his ability to stuff the box score. (Last week: 7 | Team record: 9-7)

8. Joe Johnson, Hawks

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
17 38.6 .432 .316 .866 1.0 0.1 5.2 4.4 21.0 17.2
The Hawks have been playing poorly and the finger pointing starts with JJ, who is shooting 33 percent over his past five games. He has just 19 points in his past two games. (Last week: 6 | Team record: 12-5)

9. Brandon Roy, Blazers

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
19 36.6 .451 .338 .800 0.5 0.2 4.4 5.2 19.7 19.1
Greg Oden has improved in every category. Now it is up to Roy to figure out a way to keep Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge happy while still finding enough touches for himself. (Last week: 8 | Team record: 12-7)

10. Kevin Durant, Thunder

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
17 39.1 .456 .242 .860 1.6 0.9 7.2 3.4 27.4 24.0
Can Durant win MVP? Not this season. But he deserves props for having the Thunder in position to challenge for a playoff spot, while taking the next step toward stardom. (Last week: NR | Team record: 9-8)

Kakaroach
12-04-2009, 08:39 PM
Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer might get some recognition as the season goes on and the Jazz improve, but I don't expect them to get it.

_KB24_
12-04-2009, 09:00 PM
Man, hopefully Wade will play great tonight and it should be a nice battle between him and Kobe.

Zefflin
12-05-2009, 03:03 AM
Like usual, Kobe and Wade battled fiercley. But Kobe outshines and gets the victory. Keep the MVP steamroller building.

still1ballin
12-05-2009, 03:14 AM
Kobe



















the rest

_KB24_
12-05-2009, 03:31 AM
^^

Kobe

Wade
Lebron








The Rest

Chronz
12-05-2009, 03:47 AM
Clipper Fans



The rest









Kobe Fans

ko8e24
12-05-2009, 04:09 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/04/09)

Kobe Bryant: 33 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assts, 3 stls in a 108-107 win at home against the Heat (Kobe with the game winning 3 pt bank shot over D-Wade from 30 ft at the Buzzer!)

Dwyane Wade: 26 pts, 7 rebs, 9 assts, 2 blks in a 108-107 loss @ Lakers

LeBron James: 23 pts, 6 rebs, 11 assts in a 101-87 home win over the Bulls

Joe Johnson: 29 pts, 8 rebs, 8 assts in a 114-107 home loss to the Knicks

Kevin Durant: 36 pts, 5 rebs, 2 stls in a 105-87 home loss to the Celtics

Dirk Nowitzki: 16 pts, 10 rebs, 1 asst, 1 stl in a 98-82 road loss to the Grizzlies

Highlight
12-05-2009, 04:10 AM
Clipper Fans



The rest









Kobe Fans

I see what you did there! :)

_KB24_
12-05-2009, 05:59 AM
Clipper Fans



The rest









Kobe Fans

We're in a league of our own....... :D

saintdrew
12-05-2009, 02:54 PM
i think right now it should be between nash and melo for the mvp.

runforrestrunx9
12-05-2009, 03:17 PM
^^

Kobe

Wade
Lebron








The Rest
gotta put melo in there

C-Dub
12-05-2009, 03:24 PM
carmelo anthony

Lakersfan2483
12-05-2009, 03:37 PM
Top Candidates

Kobe
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Nash
Dirk
Howard

Lakersho
12-05-2009, 04:05 PM
melo so far, noone else close...

Lakersfan2483
12-05-2009, 04:48 PM
melo so far, noone else close...

I disagree with that completely, Kobe and Bron are right up there with him.

ko8e24
12-05-2009, 05:05 PM
I disagree with that completely, Kobe and Bron are right up there with him.

i would say at this point, especially with this recent 8 game winning streak, the game winner, and the fact that he's 2nd in the league in scoring (yes behind Melo's 30.1 ppg) at 29.1 ppg, he's 3rd in the league in SPG at 2.33 a game behind the Celtics Rondo (2.55) and Warriors Monta Ellis (2.44). He's also shooting a career high in FG% (48.9%), he's much more efficient, and he's is Mr. Clutch and Mr. 4th qtr.


And also, wut I see is the difference between Melo and Kobe is that Melo's defense is improving vastly, but Kobe's defense is consistent. Also, Melo is known as the "easiest scorer" in the league, but Kobe is the "best all-around, most prolific scorer, most dangerous scorer" in the league. Also, Kobe can score by manufacturing his own shot or playing off the ball. He also orchestrates a lot of the Lakers' offense and efficiently gets other teammates involved. (BOth he and Fisher do that). But it seems Melo still has a lack of good playmaking abiliities, and I feel Chauncey Billups plays that role on that team, which makes it even easier for Carmelo to score because he doesn't have to expend much energy on getting the other guys going.

Thats why thru the first 20 games or so, I'd pick Kobe as #1, and Melo as #2, in the MVP voting.


But damn that Melo guy is pretty freakin awesome!

still1ballin
12-05-2009, 05:48 PM
Top Candidates

Kobe
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Nash
Dirk
Howard

I love your sig dude:)

iggypop123
12-05-2009, 07:07 PM
even if the lakers win 70 voters wouldn't give it to kobe. since he got his 1 they will move on and forget about him

ko8e24
12-05-2009, 07:20 PM
even if the lakers win 70 voters wouldn't give it to kobe. since he got his 1 they will move on and forget about him

lol i hope not, that would just suck

JordansBulls
12-05-2009, 08:20 PM
Top Candidates

Kobe
Melo
Lebron
Wade
Nash
Dirk
Howard

Since all the mega stars except Wade are on elite teams this year, I believe the teams who end up with the #1 seed in the east and west that star player will finish #1 and #2 in MVP voting this year.

Lakersfan2483
12-05-2009, 08:36 PM
Since all the mega stars except Wade are on elite teams this year, I believe the teams who end up with the #1 seed in the east and west that star player will finish #1 and #2 in MVP voting this year.

It looks as if it's going to happen that way, as you mentioned most of the superstars are on really good teams and so it's going to come down to who has the top record.

Lakersfan2483
12-05-2009, 08:37 PM
I love your sig dude:)

Thanks man, I just changed it today as I am still excited over that shot he hit last night. Man, that was a great shot.:):cool:

Lakersfan2483
12-05-2009, 08:39 PM
i would say at this point, especially with this recent 8 game winning streak, the game winner, and the fact that he's 2nd in the league in scoring (yes behind Melo's 30.1 ppg) at 29.1 ppg, he's 3rd in the league in SPG at 2.33 a game behind the Celtics Rondo (2.55) and Warriors Monta Ellis (2.44). He's also shooting a career high in FG% (48.9%), he's much more efficient, and he's is Mr. Clutch and Mr. 4th qtr.


And also, wut I see is the difference between Melo and Kobe is that Melo's defense is improving vastly, but Kobe's defense is consistent. Also, Melo is known as the "easiest scorer" in the league, but Kobe is the "best all-around, most prolific scorer, most dangerous scorer" in the league. Also, Kobe can score by manufacturing his own shot or playing off the ball. He also orchestrates a lot of the Lakers' offense and efficiently gets other teammates involved. (BOth he and Fisher do that). But it seems Melo still has a lack of good playmaking abiliities, and I feel Chauncey Billups plays that role on that team, which makes it even easier for Carmelo to score because he doesn't have to expend much energy on getting the other guys going.

Thats why thru the first 20 games or so, I'd pick Kobe as #1, and Melo as #2, in the MVP voting.


But damn that Melo guy is pretty freakin awesome!

It's going to be a close race, we will have to wait and see how all the teams finish record wise.

tr4shb0t
12-05-2009, 09:30 PM
When was the last time MVP won a title too? Wasn't it Duncan a few years back?

ko8e24
12-05-2009, 10:13 PM
When was the last time MVP won a title too? Wasn't it Duncan a few years back?

yes, Duncan in 2003. Before that it was Shaq in 2000, and then MJ did it in 96 & 98

_KB24_
12-05-2009, 10:52 PM
yes, Duncan in 2003. Before that it was Shaq in 2000, and then MJ did it in 96 & 98

And the Mamba shall do it this year......

ko8e24
12-05-2009, 10:55 PM
And the Mamba shall do it this year......

oh hell yeah!

MJ-BULLS
12-06-2009, 12:07 AM
my top 3 mvp's as of right now has to be kobe by a hair if u would of asked me a week ago i would of gone with melo, but since the lakers have the best record have to give it to kobe.

kobe
melo
lebron

ko8e24
12-06-2009, 04:57 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/05/09)

Carmelo Anthony: 34 pts, 7 rebs, 2 assts, 1 blk in a 106-99 road win over the Spurs

Joe Johnson: 31 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 80-75 road win over the Mavericks

Dirk Nowitzki: 32 pts, 9 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 4 blks in a 80-75 home loss to the Hawks

Steve Nash: 32 pts, 2 rebs, 6 assts in a 115-107 home win over the Kings

Brandon Roy: 28 pts, 3 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls in a 90-89 home win over the Rockets

Dwight Howard: 17 pts, 8 rebs, 2 assts, 2 stls, 2 blks in a 126-118 road win over the Warriors

Tim Duncan: 26 pts, 6 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 4 blks in a 106-99 home loss to the Nuggets

Raph12
12-06-2009, 12:41 PM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/05/09)

Carmelo Anthony: 34 pts, 7 rebs, 2 assts, 1 blk in a 106-99 road win over the Spurs

Joe Johnson: 31 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 80-75 road win over the Mavericks

Dirk Nowitzki: 32 pts, 9 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 4 blks in a 80-75 home loss to the Hawks

Steve Nash: 32 pts, 2 rebs, 6 assts in a 115-107 home win over the Kings

Brandon Roy: 28 pts, 3 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls in a 90-89 home win over the Rockets

Vince Carter: 27 pts, 5 rebs, 7 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 126-118 road win over Warriors

Carter having a good night doesn't qualify him as the MVP candidate to represent the Orlando Magic.

It's like with the Spurs, no matter how much Parker and Ginobli have done for the team, it all still starts and finishes with Tim Duncan (or in this case, Dwight Howard).

ko8e24
12-06-2009, 03:40 PM
Carter having a good night doesn't qualify him as the MVP candidate to represent the Orlando Magic.

It's like with the Spurs, no matter how much Parker and Ginobli have done for the team, it all still starts and finishes with Tim Duncan (or in this case, Dwight Howard).

I apologize, I mean to put Dwight Howard in there, not VInce Carter, lol. I just knew in the back of my mind that I had to put a member of the Orlando Magic in there, lol. And I've also added Timmy D's performance since he is on the nba.com mvp list.

Raph12
12-07-2009, 12:07 AM
I apologize, I mean to put Dwight Howard in there, not VInce Carter, lol. I just knew in the back of my mind that I had to put a member of the Orlando Magic in there, lol. And I've also added Timmy D's performance since he is on the nba.com mvp list.

It's cool, Dwight was stuck on the bench with foul trouble most of the game. But even despite his below avg stats (19-8-2-2-2), it was his strong play in the first that helped get them the big lead, and his great defense in the fourth that helped ice the game. You see it isn't always the player with the greatest stats that is the most valuable to their team, it is the player with the largest impact on the game.

For example:
Dwight = Magic's MVP
Duncan = Spurs' MVP
Garnett = Celtics' MVP

Every other elite team is pretty self-explanitory... and yes Garnett is more valuable than Pierce.

ko8e24
12-07-2009, 03:09 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/06/09)

Dwyane Wade: 34 pts, 5 rebs, 10 assts, 1 stl, 4 blks in 115-102 road win over the Kings (A MONSTER NIGHT FOR D-WADE)

Kobe Bryant: 26 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 108-88 home win over the Suns

LeBron James: 14 pts, 5 rebs, 10 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 101-86 road win over the Bucks

Steve Nash: 12 pts, 10 assts in a 108-88 road loss to the Lakers

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Highlight
12-07-2009, 06:54 PM
Like others have stated, this MVP race is going to come down to team record.

Whichever team has the top record, they will probably end up with the MVP. I don't think anyone from Boston will win it just because their offense is so balanced.

It will probably be either Melo, Kobe, or Lebron. I really don't see anyone else winning it. I want to put Dwayne in that group, but Miami will not win enough games for him to even be considered, which sucks. I also want to put Dwight in that group, but with Vince taking over so much of the offensive load, people will look past Dwight, which might not be right, but I have a strong feeling they will. The media will be happy giving Dwight another DPOY award, and calling it fair. Same with Nash and Dirk. I just don't know if their teams will win enough games. At this point Denver, LA, Cleveland, Boston, and Orland will win a grip of games.

Denver, Cleveland, LA, Orlando, and Boston will be in the race for the top record. No disrespect to Phoenix, Dallas, or Atlanta, I just feel that those 5 teams have been the most consistent so far. I could see Phoenix and Dallas competing for it, but I think most would agree that those 5 teams will be the ones at the top. Out of those 5 teams, 3 of them have the top MVP candidates and I feel one of those will win it.

ko8e24
12-07-2009, 07:11 PM
Like others have stated, this MVP race is going to come down to team record.

Whichever team has the top record, they will probably end up with the MVP. I don't think anyone from Boston will win it just because their offense is so balanced.

It will probably be either Melo, Kobe, or Lebron. I really don't see anyone else winning it. I want to put Dwayne in that group, but Miami will not win enough games for him to even be considered, which sucks. I also want to put Dwight in that group, but with Vince taking over so much of the offensive load, people will look past Dwight, which might not be right, but I have a strong feeling they will. The media will be happy giving Dwight another DPOY award, and calling it fair.

Denver, Cleveland, LA, Orlando, and Boston will be in the race for the top record. No disrespect to Phoenix, Dallas, or Atlanta, I just feel that those 5 teams have been the most consistent so far. I could see Phoenix and Dallas competing for it, but I think most would agree that those 5 teams will be the ones at the top. Out of those 5 teams, 3 of them have the top MVP candidates and I feel one of those will win it.


and his name is Kobe Bean Bryant

Highlight
12-07-2009, 07:32 PM
and his name is Kobe Bean Bryant

Lets hope so, haha. As long as LA keeps on winning like they are now, Kobe will win his 2nd MVP.

But like I said, Melo and Lebron has just as good as a chance. And we can't over look Dwight, Nash, Dirk etc.

Mavrix
12-07-2009, 07:38 PM
Like others have stated, this MVP race is going to come down to team record.

Whichever team has the top record, they will probably end up with the MVP. I don't think anyone from Boston will win it just because their offense is so balanced.

It will probably be either Melo, Kobe, or Lebron. I really don't see anyone else winning it. I want to put Dwayne in that group, but Miami will not win enough games for him to even be considered, which sucks. I also want to put Dwight in that group, but with Vince taking over so much of the offensive load, people will look past Dwight, which might not be right, but I have a strong feeling they will. The media will be happy giving Dwight another DPOY award, and calling it fair. Same with Nash and Dirk. I just don't know if their teams will win enough games. At this point Denver, LA, Cleveland, Boston, and Orland will win a grip of games.

Denver, Cleveland, LA, Orlando, and Boston will be in the race for the top record. No disrespect to Phoenix, Dallas, or Atlanta, I just feel that those 5 teams have been the most consistent so far. I could see Phoenix and Dallas competing for it, but I think most would agree that those 5 teams will be the ones at the top. Out of those 5 teams, 3 of them have the top MVP candidates and I feel one of those will win it.

Dallas hasn't been healthy all season long, it's not fair to put them in the same sentence as Phoenix and Atlanta when they've been fully healthy all year long. Dallas has been missing Howard for all but three games this season. The first 2 games Howard played in were wins, the third one he only played in the first half against the Spurs when he re-hurt his ankle and didn't come back in.

Highlight
12-07-2009, 08:32 PM
Dallas hasn't been healthy all season long, it's not fair to put them in the same sentence as Phoenix and Atlanta when they've been fully healthy all year long. Dallas has been missing Howard for all but three games this season. The first 2 games Howard played in were wins, the third one he only played in the first half against the Spurs when he re-hurt his ankle and didn't come back in.

I agree that they haven't been healthy, so it is true that they could start playing amazing basketball when they ARE healthy, but they don't have much room to lose now that they aren't healthy.

In my opinion, there's only one way Dirk wins MVP, and that's if his stats stay the way they are and they have a commanding lead in the West like Dallas did when he first won the award.

What sucks for Dirk is the media will always remember how Dirk won the MVP and then his team lost in the first round. That's not fair to him because it's built a bias and now the voters will be reluctant to give it to Dirk even if he deserves it.

I'm not sure if you agree with me, but that's the way I see it and it isn't fair in my eyes, but we can't do anything about that. All I know is, Dirk will have a tough time winning that award.

ko8e24
12-08-2009, 12:21 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/07/09)

Kevin Durant: 28 pts, 9 rebs, 4 assts, 3 stls, 1 blk in a 104-88 home win over Warriors

Brandon Roy: 27 pts, 6 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls in a 93-84 road loss to the Knicks

Tim Duncan: 23 pts, 11 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 104-101 road loss to the Jazz

Carmelo Anthony: 14 pts, 4 rebs, 1 asst in a 93-83 road win over 76ers

Mavrix
12-08-2009, 05:52 AM
I agree that they haven't been healthy, so it is true that they could start playing amazing basketball when they ARE healthy, but they don't have much room to lose now that they aren't healthy.

In my opinion, there's only one way Dirk wins MVP, and that's if his stats stay the way they are and they have a commanding lead in the West like Dallas did when he first won the award.

What sucks for Dirk is the media will always remember how Dirk won the MVP and then his team lost in the first round. That's not fair to him because it's built a bias and now the voters will be reluctant to give it to Dirk even if he deserves it.

I'm not sure if you agree with me, but that's the way I see it and it isn't fair in my eyes, but we can't do anything about that. All I know is, Dirk will have a tough time winning that award.

I completely agree on everything :clap:

JordansBulls
12-08-2009, 09:09 AM
Carter having a good night doesn't qualify him as the MVP candidate to represent the Orlando Magic.

It's like with the Spurs, no matter how much Parker and Ginobli have done for the team, it all still starts and finishes with Tim Duncan (or in this case, Dwight Howard).

You don't think Vince has a shot to win MVP? I say he has a shot like Pierce did on the C's in 2008 or Kobe on the Lakers in the early 2000's.

Raph12
12-08-2009, 02:00 PM
You don't think Vince has a shot to win MVP? I say he has a shot like Pierce did on the C's in 2008 or Kobe on the Lakers in the early 2000's.

I think he has no chance of being placed ahead of Dwight Howard... it's like saying Tony Parker would win it over Tim Duncan if the Spurs finish 1st in the West/league.

The team is 4-1 without Carter and Lewis both not in the lineup, I kind of think that has something to do with Dwight Howard.

Unless Howard is injured for a significant amount of time and the team does well without him, Carter should never be placed above him in MVP voting.

ko8e24
12-09-2009, 01:24 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/08/09)

LeBron James: 43 pts, 13 rebs, 6 assts, 1 blk in a 111-109 OT road loss to the Grizzlies (A MONSTER MONSTER night for LeBron)

Dwight Howard: 25 pts, 11 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls, 7 blks in a 97-86 road win over the Clippers (A MONSTER MONSTER night for D.Howard)

Carmelo Anthony: 34 pts, 7 rebs, 2 assts in a 107-95 road loss to the Bobcats

Dirk Nowitzki: 33 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assts, 1 blk in a 102-101 home win over the Suns

Steve Nash: 27 pts, 2 rebs, 8 assts in a 102-101 road loss to the Mavericks

Raph12
12-09-2009, 02:41 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/08/09)

LeBron James: 43 pts, 13 rebs, 6 assts, 1 blk in a 111-109 OT road loss to the Grizzlies (A MONSTER MONSTER night for LeBron)

Dwight Howard: 25 pts, 11 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls, 7 blks in a 97-86 road win over the Clippers (A MONSTER MONSTER night for D.Howard)

Carmelo Anthony: 34 pts, 7 rebs, 2 assts in a 107-95 road loss to the Bobcats

Dirk Nowitzki: 33 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assts, 1 blk in a 102-101 home win over the Suns

Steve Nash: 27 pts, 2 rebs, 8 assts in a 102-101 road loss to the Mavericks

It was Dwight's bday, 24 years old, he was bound to be a bit more aggressive.

Zefflin
12-09-2009, 04:38 AM
LeBron James: 43 pts, 13 rebs, 6 assts, 1 blk in a 111-109 OT road loss to the Grizzlies (A MONSTER MONSTER night for LeBron)

If Lebron can't beat the Grizz in OT, it doesn't qualify as a monster night, regardless of his stat line.

Highlight
12-09-2009, 06:18 AM
I completely agree on everything :clap:

Thanks man. Glad we're on the same page. :)

Highlight
12-09-2009, 05:48 PM
If Lebron can't beat the Grizz in OT, it doesn't qualify as a monster night, regardless of his stat line.

Eh, that's pushing it.

I know if Kobe had the same type of game and LA lost, people would still say he had a "monster night".

It will take time for Cleveland to get used to Shaq, but once they figure it out, come playoff time, that team will be tough to beat.

A monster night is a monster night. Good for LBJ.

Zefflin
12-09-2009, 06:55 PM
I know if Kobe had the same type of game and LA lost, people would still say he had a "monster night".

I wouldn't. A loss is a loss. Now if they lost vs an actual good team it would be a different story.

Highlight
12-09-2009, 08:15 PM
I wouldn't. A loss is a loss. Now if they lost vs an actual good team it would be a different story.

Memphis is very talented in my opinion. They are the type of team that will beat good teams here and there because they are so young and talented.

And yes, a loss is a loss, but in my opinion, having a good game, is a good game. We can agree to disagree if that would make it easier. :)

jsumadchat
12-09-2009, 08:30 PM
just wondering how things are being determined by you guys? is it just success of the team? why arent you guys giving chris bosh any love?

24.3ppg
12.3rpg
1.7asts
1.1blks
75.7%FT
50.0%3pt
48.8%FG

he leads the league in double-doubles and 20 and 10 performances. i think he at least warrants a little recognition.

Highlight
12-09-2009, 09:05 PM
just wondering how things are being determined by you guys? is it just success of the team? why arent you guys giving chris bosh any love?

24.3ppg
12.3rpg
1.7asts
1.1blks
75.7%FT
50.0%3pt
48.8%FG

he leads the league in double-doubles and 20 and 10 performances. i think he at least warrants a little recognition.

His numbers across the board are amazing, but when it comes to winning the MVP, if your team isn't winning games, there's a 0 percent chance you will win it.

He does deserve recognition, but no one will consider him a candidate for the MVP, unless his team starts the majority of their ball games. I hope that makes a little sense. That's just how the system is in the NBA today.

jsumadchat
12-09-2009, 09:40 PM
His numbers across the board are amazing, but when it comes to winning the MVP, if your team isn't winning games, there's a 0 percent chance you will win it.

He does deserve recognition, but no one will consider him a candidate for the MVP, unless his team starts the majority of their ball games. I hope that makes a little sense. That's just how the system is in the NBA today.

i figured that, lol. but dwade was still in MVP talks a couple of years ago and we all know how bad the heat were for a while.

Highlight
12-09-2009, 09:50 PM
i figured that, lol. but dwade was still in MVP talks a couple of years ago and we all know how bad the heat were for a while.

Yeah, that's true. Miami ended the season 4 games over .500 and the other thing is, Wade receives a LOT more attention than Bosh.

That's for multiple reasons including: Him winning a ring, getting finals MVP, and being exciting to watch. (Not that Bosh isn't, but I think most fans would agree, watching Wade or a "flashy" guard is more fun than watching most PF's play).

He deserved all the attention he got though. He had one hell of a season last year.

Bosh should receive a bit more credit though. Not sure if the media will give him any though...

iggypop123
12-09-2009, 10:32 PM
people were just looking for an excuse not to have kobe as #2. bosh has beast numbers but they might be the worst defense in the last 10 yrs

ko8e24
12-09-2009, 10:58 PM
just wondering how things are being determined by you guys? is it just success of the team? why arent you guys giving chris bosh any love?

24.3ppg
12.3rpg
1.7asts
1.1blks
75.7%FT
50.0%3pt
48.8%FG

he leads the league in double-doubles and 20 and 10 performances. i think he at least warrants a little recognition.


2005-2006 Kobe Bryant (Lakers: 45-37, a much more competitive Western Conference, #7 Seed in the West)

35.4ppg (Most since MJ's 37.1 PPG in the late '80s)
5.3rbg
4.5apg
1.8spg
0.7bpg
85.0%FT
34.7%3pt
45.0%FG

27 games of 40+ pts, 4 consecutive games of 45+ points, 5 games of 50+ pts

81 pt game (against the Raptors), 62 pts in 3 qtrs (against the Mavericks)


MVP: Steve Nash


So, no love for Bosh in terms of MVP candidates

Highlight
12-10-2009, 12:04 AM
2005-2006 Kobe Bryant (Lakers: 45-37, a much more competitive Western Conference, #7 Seed in the West)

35.4ppg (Most since MJ's 37.1 PPG in the late '80s)
5.3rbg
4.5apg
1.8spg
0.7bpg
85.0%FT
34.7%3pt
45.0%FG

27 games of 40+ pts, 4 consecutive games of 45+ points, 5 games of 50+ pts

81 pt game (against the Raptors), 62 pts in 3 qtrs (against the Mavericks)


MVP: Steve Nash


So, no love for Bosh in terms of MVP candidates

When I think about that season, I am just in aww of how amazing that season was. Every night was fun to watch.

Freaking amazing.... just freaking amazing.

Lost Art
12-10-2009, 12:43 AM
Kobe = MVP thus far in the season

jsumadchat
12-10-2009, 12:49 AM
2005-2006 Kobe Bryant (Lakers: 45-37, a much more competitive Western Conference, #7 Seed in the West)

35.4ppg (Most since MJ's 37.1 PPG in the late '80s)
5.3rbg
4.5apg
1.8spg
0.7bpg
85.0%FT
34.7%3pt
45.0%FG

27 games of 40+ pts, 4 consecutive games of 45+ points, 5 games of 50+ pts

81 pt game (against the Raptors), 62 pts in 3 qtrs (against the Mavericks)


MVP: Steve Nash


So, no love for Bosh in terms of MVP candidates

lol that was a beastly season for kobe. and i remember the kobe-hate that was going on at that time too. the general consensus was that he was selfish and a bad teammate. lol we all know how thats blown up in everyones faces.

_KB24_
12-10-2009, 01:29 AM
Kobe in 06 & 07 was the most prolific, dangerous scorer in the history of the NBA. Yes, better than the guy who wears 23......

ko8e24
12-10-2009, 01:52 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/09/09)

Kobe Bryant: 27 pts, 6 rebs, 8 assts, 2 stls, 2 blks in a 101-77 home win over the Jazz

Brandon Roy: 29 pts, 7 rebs, 5 assts in a 102-91 road win over the Pacers

LeBron James: 27 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 95-85 road loss to the Rockets

Tim Duncan: 17 pts, 8 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl, 2 blks in a 118-106 home win over the Kings

Joe Johnson: 12 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls in a 118-83 home win over the Bulls

Raph12
12-10-2009, 11:22 AM
2005-2006 Kobe Bryant (Lakers: 45-37, a much more competitive Western Conference, #7 Seed in the West)

35.4ppg (Most since MJ's 37.1 PPG in the late '80s)
5.3rbg
4.5apg
1.8spg
0.7bpg
85.0%FT
34.7%3pt
45.0%FG

27 games of 40+ pts, 4 consecutive games of 45+ points, 5 games of 50+ pts

81 pt game (against the Raptors), 62 pts in 3 qtrs (against the Mavericks)


MVP: Steve Nash


So, no love for Bosh in terms of MVP candidates

That was such an exciting season; Kobe 35.4ppg, Iverson 33.0ppg, Lebron 31.4ppg, Arenas 29.3ppg... all career-bests.

It was a year to remember as far as scoring goes.

still1ballin
12-10-2009, 12:39 PM
kobe = mvp thus far in the season

+1

Tblaze
12-10-2009, 01:47 PM
My votes for kobe as well right now

ko8e24
12-10-2009, 06:35 PM
ESPN NBA AWARDS WATCH for the 09-10 MVP updated on 12/08/09

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/Awards-091208/awards-watch

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
19 36.9 .492 .327 .852 2.3 0.2 5.5 3.9 28.9 26.3
He plays with the West's most talented starting five, but I can't believe the e-mails saying that Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol are the main reasons the Lakers are rolling. (Last week: 1 | Team record: 16-3)

2. LeBron James, Cavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 37.3 .512 .333 .776 1.2 0.7 6.7 8.4 27.3 29.6
During the Cavs' win streak, he has been scoring less and dishing more. He has four straight double-doubles and continues to prove that his skill set is unmatched. (Last week: 3 | Team record: 15-5)

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
21 36.2 .479 .340 .867 1.3 0.3 5.9 3.2 29.6 25.7
The league's leading scorer was held below 20 points for the first time in Denver's win over Philly. He has helped the Nuggets open up a 3-game lead on the Jazz and Blazers. (Last week: 5 | Team record: 16-5)

4. Dwight Howard, Magic

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 32.6 .646 .000 .573 1.0 1.8 12.1 1.5 18.1 24.6
Foul trouble has limited his time on the court this season, but he is still first in field goal percentage, second in rebounding and double-doubles, and 11th in shot blocking. (Last week: 6 | Team record: 16-4)

5. Steve Nash, Suns

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
21 32.4 .520 .453 .953 0.3 0.2 2.6 11.1 17.0 23.0
He has given out just 29 assists in his past four games and the Suns have struggled, winning only once. They are 9-0 when he gets 11 assists and 6-6 when he doesn't. (Last week: 3 | Team record: 15-6)

6. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
21 38.4 .464 .327 .884 1.1 1.5 8.5 2.9 26.7 25.4
He is putting up big numbers, but needs some help on the offensive end from his teammates. In a loss to the Hawks on Saturday, he scored 32 of Dallas' 75 points. (Last week: 4 | Team record: 14-7)

7. Joe Johnson, Hawks

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 38.6 .444 .286 .863 1.0 0.1 5.5 4.9 21.5 18.3
After a three-game stretch where he couldn't find the basket, he has resumed his dominating ways, tallying 29 points against the Knicks and scoring 31 against Dallas. (Last week: 8 | Team record: 14-6)

8. Paul Pierce, Celtics

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 35.5 .494 .440 .856 1.1 0.5 4.6 3.8 18.6 19.7
The Celtics have reeled off seven victories in a row, and Pierce, their leading scorer, has played consistently well. He is shooting a career high on 2s and 3s. (Last week: NR | Team record: 16-4)

9. Dwyane Wade, Heat

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 38.5 .430 .240 .763 1.8 1.3 5.2 6.1 27.1 25.4
The Heat have dropped four of six. In the two wins, Wade leaned heavily on his teammates, notching double digits in assists (12 against Portland; 10 versus the Kings). (Last week: 7 | Team record: 11-9)

10. Kevin Durant, Thunder

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 39.6 .463 .289 .880 1.8 0.9 7.1 3.2 28.1 24.4
He's here for getting the Thunder to believe they can not only compete but win every game. Who thought OKC would be a game behind Utah and Portland in the division? (Last week: 10 | Team record: 11-9)

Raph12
12-10-2009, 09:01 PM
ESPN NBA AWARDS WATCH for the 09-10 MVP updated on 12/08/09

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/Awards-091208/awards-watch

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
19 36.9 .492 .327 .852 2.3 0.2 5.5 3.9 28.9 26.3
He plays with the West's most talented starting five, but I can't believe the e-mails saying that Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol are the main reasons the Lakers are rolling. (Last week: 1 | Team record: 16-3)

2. LeBron James, Cavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 37.3 .512 .333 .776 1.2 0.7 6.7 8.4 27.3 29.6
During the Cavs' win streak, he has been scoring less and dishing more. He has four straight double-doubles and continues to prove that his skill set is unmatched. (Last week: 3 | Team record: 15-5)

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
21 36.2 .479 .340 .867 1.3 0.3 5.9 3.2 29.6 25.7
The league's leading scorer was held below 20 points for the first time in Denver's win over Philly. He has helped the Nuggets open up a 3-game lead on the Jazz and Blazers. (Last week: 5 | Team record: 16-5)

4. Dwight Howard, Magic

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 32.6 .646 .000 .573 1.0 1.8 12.1 1.5 18.1 24.6
Foul trouble has limited his time on the court this season, but he is still first in field goal percentage, second in rebounding and double-doubles, and 11th in shot blocking. (Last week: 6 | Team record: 16-4)

5. Steve Nash, Suns

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
21 32.4 .520 .453 .953 0.3 0.2 2.6 11.1 17.0 23.0
He has given out just 29 assists in his past four games and the Suns have struggled, winning only once. They are 9-0 when he gets 11 assists and 6-6 when he doesn't. (Last week: 3 | Team record: 15-6)

6. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
21 38.4 .464 .327 .884 1.1 1.5 8.5 2.9 26.7 25.4
He is putting up big numbers, but needs some help on the offensive end from his teammates. In a loss to the Hawks on Saturday, he scored 32 of Dallas' 75 points. (Last week: 4 | Team record: 14-7)

7. Joe Johnson, Hawks

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 38.6 .444 .286 .863 1.0 0.1 5.5 4.9 21.5 18.3
After a three-game stretch where he couldn't find the basket, he has resumed his dominating ways, tallying 29 points against the Knicks and scoring 31 against Dallas. (Last week: 8 | Team record: 14-6)

8. Paul Pierce, Celtics

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 35.5 .494 .440 .856 1.1 0.5 4.6 3.8 18.6 19.7
The Celtics have reeled off seven victories in a row, and Pierce, their leading scorer, has played consistently well. He is shooting a career high on 2s and 3s. (Last week: NR | Team record: 16-4)

9. Dwyane Wade, Heat

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 38.5 .430 .240 .763 1.8 1.3 5.2 6.1 27.1 25.4
The Heat have dropped four of six. In the two wins, Wade leaned heavily on his teammates, notching double digits in assists (12 against Portland; 10 versus the Kings). (Last week: 7 | Team record: 11-9)

10. Kevin Durant, Thunder

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
20 39.6 .463 .289 .880 1.8 0.9 7.1 3.2 28.1 24.4
He's here for getting the Thunder to believe they can not only compete but win every game. Who thought OKC would be a game behind Utah and Portland in the division? (Last week: 10 | Team record: 11-9)

Replace Pierce with KG and you got yourself a pretty good list.

ko8e24
12-11-2009, 12:29 AM
Replace Pierce with KG and you got yourself a pretty good list.

I totally agree with that notion

ManRam
12-11-2009, 12:37 AM
Replace Pierce with Rondo and you got yourself an even better list ;)

I'm only 50% joking. I do think he is the team's MVP right now...but not even close to the league's.

ko8e24
12-11-2009, 02:43 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/10/09)

Carmelo Anthony: 40 pts, 6 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 101-99 road loss to the Pistons

Dwight Howard: 18 pts, 10 rebs, 1 asst, 1 stl, 2 blks in a 120-111 road loss to the Jazz

Paul Pierce: 12 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assts, 2 stls in a 104-102 road win over the Wizards

Kakaroach
12-11-2009, 07:49 PM
I still think the way Melo has played he's got to be the MVP with Kobe a very close second.

ko8e24
12-11-2009, 08:24 PM
NBA.com's Race to the MVP Updated: 12/11/09

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/12/11/racetomvp.week6/index.html

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (17-3)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 37.0 28.8 5.5 4.1 2.2 0.3 .493 .328 .847

Last Week's Rank - 1
Kobe is the MVP race's first repeat performer at the top. Prior to this, The Race had started to feel like Liz Taylor, a different man at the alter every week. But right after Kobe was named No. 1 last week, he hit that incredible fallaway buzzer beater that he deemed lucky. Coincidence? We think not. The Race saw Monta Ellis take four steps and get called for traveling in the same situation last week. It's only lucky if you don't get the shot off. But if Kobe gets it off, it's got a chance. That's what MVP's do.

2. LeBron James, Cavaliers (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 37.7 28.0 6.9 8.2 1.1 0.7 .504 .344 .790

Last Week's Rank - 2
LeBron almost wins this spot by default, which is a little like Penelope winning the runner-up spot by default over Gisele (which means you are wondering who won that contest as well. The Race will leave it to your imagination.) James was going to get knocked down a notch this week because the Cavs have lost two straight. But the Nuggets and the Mavs also have lost two games this week, throwing the universe out of whack but keeping The Race intact. Of more concern is whether Shaq's presence is being felt negatively on the floor again; after all, one of the losses was to Memphis.

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets (16-7)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 36.7 30.3 5.9 3.1 1.2 0.4 .487 .345 .869

Last Week's Rank - 4
You could argue Carmelo and Dirk as the third and fourth best players in the league until the cows come home (which always makes The Race wonder where exactly they went.) The Nuggets dropped two games this week, though it appears through no fault of 'Melo, who had 40 points in a loss to Detroit. He did, however, score just 14 points in a victory over Philly, the first time this season Anthony has not scored at least 20 points in a game. Still, he leads the league in scoring at 30.3 per, which for now, gives him the nod over Dirk.

4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 38.5 27.0 8.5 2.9 1.0 1.5 .471 .327 .890

Last Week's Rank - 3
At 31, he is averaging a career-high 27 points a game, and also averaging a career-high 1.5 blocks, which means he is finally putting everything together on both ends. Even better, he is turning over the ball less than he has his entire career, meaning he is making the best decisions. The Race read somewhere this week that Mark Cuban will never get rid of The Big German. Umm, why would it ever be a consideration?

5. Dwight Howard, Magic (17-5)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 33.5 18.4 12.0 1.6 1.0 2.0 .643 .000 .592

Last Week's Rank - 5
Nine double-doubles in his last nine games. A seven-game win streak. A jovial personality. It's time for Howard to take the next step in career. The Race thinks that is only to going to come through maturity -- and perhaps a little heartbreak in the playoffs. But Howard is an exceptionally talented player based on physical skills alone. When the mental part catches up, he will be a force.

6. Dwyane Wade, Heat (11-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 38.5 27.1 5.2 6.0 1.8 1.3 .430 .240 .763

Last Week's Rank - 6
Did The Race hear Wade call out his teammates recently, saying they need to get him open more often? There is a fine line between sour grapes and frustration, and sometimes it's difficult to decipher where that line lies. Wade, however, has been carrying an increasingly heavy burden, evidenced by his shooting percentage of 43, down from 49 a year ago.

7. Kevin Durant, Thunder (11-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 39.6 28.1 7.1 3.1 1.8 0.8 .464 .289 .880

Last Week's Rank - 7
Durant just keeps motoring along as the league's best young talent. He is particularly highlighted now that Greg Oden is out for the year. We always thought those two would forever be linked and compared in their careers. And they will. But it may no longer ever be a comparable race. Which is too bad. Nonetheless, Durant continues to impress and recently became the second-youngest player in the history of the league to score 3,000 points, behind only the guy at the top of this list.

8. Steve Nash, Suns (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 32.8 17.5 2.6 11.0 0.3 0.2 .524 .474 .957

Last Week's Rank - 6
Only a few weeks ago, Nash was No. 1. Now, like the Suns, he has dropped dramatically. As Phoenix struggles, Nash seems to have changed his focus from distributing to scoring. He had 32 against Sacramento last week, 27 in a one-point loss to Dallas. He has double-digit assists in only one of his last five games, something that happened in 10 of his first 15.

9. Brandon Roy, Trail Blazers (14-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 37.3 21.0 4.6 4.9 0.6 0.1 .456 .329 .805

Last Week's Rank - 10
This is what The Race likes to see out of a candidate: Greg Oden goes down, Roy senses that his team needs something around which to rally, and he ramps up his game to accommodate. In the game Oden went down, he had 28, leading the Blazers to a one-point victory. The next game Roy had 27. Then he went for 29. Normally he allows his team to get involved. Now he is elevating his game when they need him. Wise beyond his experience.

10. Tyreke Evans, Kings (9-12)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 36.1 20.1 5.0 5.1 1.5 0.2 .464 .262 .774

Last Week's Rank - n/a
There are two different views of expectations that enable The Race to have some fun and throw Evans in the mix. First, there are the expectations of the Toronto Raptors, who should have a far better record than they do and whose record is keeping Chris Bosh from accompanying this journey on a regular basis. The Kings have a winning percentage that is similar to Toronto's, but they were not expected to be nearly as good as that. And because they are overachieving, the rookie Evans needs to be recognized for his 20.1 points, 5.0 rebounds and 5.1 assists. Evans is a beast, and should only get better given he is playing the position most difficult to learn as a rookie.



**Note, rookie Tyreke Evans is in the Top 10. Couple of weeks ago, Brandon Jennings was in the top 10. That shows us that these two rooks are something special, and hopefully will be the future of the NBA. :clap:

drama1386
12-11-2009, 08:31 PM
NBA.com's Race to the MVP Updated: 12/11/09

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/12/11/racetomvp.week6/index.html

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (17-3)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 37.0 28.8 5.5 4.1 2.2 0.3 .493 .328 .847

Last Week's Rank - 1
Kobe is the MVP race's first repeat performer at the top. Prior to this, The Race had started to feel like Liz Taylor, a different man at the alter every week. But right after Kobe was named No. 1 last week, he hit that incredible fallaway buzzer beater that he deemed lucky. Coincidence? We think not. The Race saw Monta Ellis take four steps and get called for traveling in the same situation last week. It's only lucky if you don't get the shot off. But if Kobe gets it off, it's got a chance. That's what MVP's do.

2. LeBron James, Cavaliers (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 37.7 28.0 6.9 8.2 1.1 0.7 .504 .344 .790

Last Week's Rank - 2
LeBron almost wins this spot by default, which is a little like Penelope winning the runner-up spot by default over Gisele (which means you are wondering who won that contest as well. The Race will leave it to your imagination.) James was going to get knocked down a notch this week because the Cavs have lost two straight. But the Nuggets and the Mavs also have lost two games this week, throwing the universe out of whack but keeping The Race intact. Of more concern is whether Shaq's presence is being felt negatively on the floor again; after all, one of the losses was to Memphis.

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets (16-7)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 36.7 30.3 5.9 3.1 1.2 0.4 .487 .345 .869

Last Week's Rank - 4
You could argue Carmelo and Dirk as the third and fourth best players in the league until the cows come home (which always makes The Race wonder where exactly they went.) The Nuggets dropped two games this week, though it appears through no fault of 'Melo, who had 40 points in a loss to Detroit. He did, however, score just 14 points in a victory over Philly, the first time this season Anthony has not scored at least 20 points in a game. Still, he leads the league in scoring at 30.3 per, which for now, gives him the nod over Dirk.

4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 38.5 27.0 8.5 2.9 1.0 1.5 .471 .327 .890

Last Week's Rank - 3
At 31, he is averaging a career-high 27 points a game, and also averaging a career-high 1.5 blocks, which means he is finally putting everything together on both ends. Even better, he is turning over the ball less than he has his entire career, meaning he is making the best decisions. The Race read somewhere this week that Mark Cuban will never get rid of The Big German. Umm, why would it ever be a consideration?

5. Dwight Howard, Magic (17-5)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 33.5 18.4 12.0 1.6 1.0 2.0 .643 .000 .592

Last Week's Rank - 5
Nine double-doubles in his last nine games. A seven-game win streak. A jovial personality. It's time for Howard to take the next step in career. The Race thinks that is only to going to come through maturity -- and perhaps a little heartbreak in the playoffs. But Howard is an exceptionally talented player based on physical skills alone. When the mental part catches up, he will be a force.

6. Dwyane Wade, Heat (11-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 3805 27.1 5.2 6.0 1.8 1.3 .430 .240 .763

Last Week's Rank - 6
Did The Race hear Wade call out his teammates recently, saying they need to get him open more often? There is a fine line between sour grapes and frustration, and sometimes it's difficult to decipher where that line lies. Wade, however, has been carrying an increasingly heavy burden, evidenced by his shooting percentage of 43, down from 49 a year ago.

7. Kevin Durant, Thunder (11-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 39.6 28.1 7.1 3.1 1.8 0.8 .464 .289 .880

Last Week's Rank - 7
Durant just keeps motoring along as the league's best young talent. He is particularly highlighted now that Greg Oden is out for the year. We always thought those two would forever be linked and compared in their careers. And they will. But it may no longer ever be a comparable race. Which is too bad. Nonetheless, Durant continues to impress and recently became the second-youngest player in the history of the league to score 3,000 points, behind only the guy at the top of this list.

8. Steve Nash, Suns (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 32.8 17.5 2.6 11.0 0.3 0.2 .524 .474 .957

Last Week's Rank - 6
Only a few weeks ago, Nash was No. 1. Now, like the Suns, he has dropped dramatically. As Phoenix struggles, Nash seems to have changed his focus from distributing to scoring. He had 32 against Sacramento last week, 27 in a one-point loss to Dallas. He has double-digit assists in only one of his last five games, something that happened in 10 of his first 15.

9. Brandon Roy, Trail Blazers (14-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 37.3 21.0 4.6 4.9 0.6 0.1 .456 .329 .805

Last Week's Rank - 10
This is what The Race likes to see out of a candidate: Greg Oden goes down, Roy senses that his team needs something around which to rally, and he ramps up his game to accommodate. In the game Oden went down, he had 28, leading the Blazers to a one-point victory. The next game Roy had 27. Then he went for 29. Normally he allows his team to get involved. Now he is elevating his game when they need him. Wise beyond his experience.

10. Tyreke Evans, Kings (9-12)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 36.1 20.1 5.0 5.1 1.5 0.2 .464 .262 .774

Last Week's Rank - n/a
There are two different views of expectations that enable The Race to have some fun and throw Evans in the mix. First, there are the expectations of the Toronto Raptors, who should have a far better record than they do and whose record is keeping Chris Bosh from accompanying this journey on a regular basis. The Kings have a winning percentage that is similar to Toronto's, but they were not expected to be nearly as good as that. And because they are overachieving, the rookie Evans needs to be recognized for his 20.1 points, 5.0 rebounds and 5.1 assists. Evans is a beast, and should only get better given he is playing the position most difficult to learn as a rookie.



**Note, rookie Tyreke Evans is in the Top 10. Couple of weeks ago, Brandon Jennings was in the top 10. That shows us that these two rooks are something special, and hopefully will be the future of the NBA. :clap:

jennings and evans are the future of the NBA! i can't wait to watch both of them progress throughout their long careers! btw, tyreke evans is an f'n beast! what a great talent.

ko8e24
12-12-2009, 02:29 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/11/09)

LeBron James: 33 pts, 7 rebs, 7 assts, 1stl, 2 blks in a 104-99 home win over the Trailblazers

Kevin Durant: 32 pts, 10 rebs, 4 assts, 2 blks in a 102-94 road win over the Grizzlies

Brandon Roy: 23 pts, 3 rebs, 6 assts, 3 stls in a 104-99 road loss to the Cavaliers

Dirk Nowitzki: 25 pts, 5 rebs, 1 asst, 1 blk in a 106-93 road win over the Heat

Dwyane Wade: 28 pts, 11 rebs, 5 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 106-93 home loss to the Mavericks

Joe Johnson: 20 pts, 3 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls in a 111-89 road win over the Raptors

Kobe Bryant: 20 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts, 1 stl, 1 blk in a 104-92 home win over the Timberwolves

Steve Nash: 20 pts, 7 rebs, 18 assts in a 106-103 home win over the Magic

Dwight Howard: 10 pts, 18 rebs, 2 assts, 1 stl in a 106-103 road loss to the Suns

DerekRE_3
12-12-2009, 03:01 AM
I'm absolutely shocked that Evans is in the top 10 right now. So awesome.

drobe86
12-12-2009, 01:30 PM
1. Kevin Durant
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Lebron James
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Kobe Bryant/Steve Nash


Those are the only real contenders......

ko8e24
12-12-2009, 04:45 PM
1. Kevin Durant
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Lebron James
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Kobe Bryant/Steve Nash


Those are the only real contenders......


:pity: and :facepalm:

I think this kid's barely 8 yrs old to have come up with something so absurd

YankeeLove2
12-12-2009, 06:55 PM
lebron has the best overall stats
but as of right now i would cast my vote for Kobe

Lakersfan2483
12-12-2009, 07:10 PM
The race really has not changed, the top candidates are: Kobe, Lebron, Melo, Wade, Nash, Dirk and Howard.

JordansBulls
12-12-2009, 07:32 PM
NBA.com's Race to the MVP Updated: 12/11/09

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/12/11/racetomvp.week6/index.html

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers (17-3)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 37.0 28.8 5.5 4.1 2.2 0.3 .493 .328 .847

Last Week's Rank - 1
Kobe is the MVP race's first repeat performer at the top. Prior to this, The Race had started to feel like Liz Taylor, a different man at the alter every week. But right after Kobe was named No. 1 last week, he hit that incredible fallaway buzzer beater that he deemed lucky. Coincidence? We think not. The Race saw Monta Ellis take four steps and get called for traveling in the same situation last week. It's only lucky if you don't get the shot off. But if Kobe gets it off, it's got a chance. That's what MVP's do.

2. LeBron James, Cavaliers (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 37.7 28.0 6.9 8.2 1.1 0.7 .504 .344 .790

Last Week's Rank - 2
LeBron almost wins this spot by default, which is a little like Penelope winning the runner-up spot by default over Gisele (which means you are wondering who won that contest as well. The Race will leave it to your imagination.) James was going to get knocked down a notch this week because the Cavs have lost two straight. But the Nuggets and the Mavs also have lost two games this week, throwing the universe out of whack but keeping The Race intact. Of more concern is whether Shaq's presence is being felt negatively on the floor again; after all, one of the losses was to Memphis.

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets (16-7)
G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 36.7 30.3 5.9 3.1 1.2 0.4 .487 .345 .869

Last Week's Rank - 4
You could argue Carmelo and Dirk as the third and fourth best players in the league until the cows come home (which always makes The Race wonder where exactly they went.) The Nuggets dropped two games this week, though it appears through no fault of 'Melo, who had 40 points in a loss to Detroit. He did, however, score just 14 points in a victory over Philly, the first time this season Anthony has not scored at least 20 points in a game. Still, he leads the league in scoring at 30.3 per, which for now, gives him the nod over Dirk.

4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 38.5 27.0 8.5 2.9 1.0 1.5 .471 .327 .890

Last Week's Rank - 3
At 31, he is averaging a career-high 27 points a game, and also averaging a career-high 1.5 blocks, which means he is finally putting everything together on both ends. Even better, he is turning over the ball less than he has his entire career, meaning he is making the best decisions. The Race read somewhere this week that Mark Cuban will never get rid of The Big German. Umm, why would it ever be a consideration?

5. Dwight Howard, Magic (17-5)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 33.5 18.4 12.0 1.6 1.0 2.0 .643 .000 .592

Last Week's Rank - 5
Nine double-doubles in his last nine games. A seven-game win streak. A jovial personality. It's time for Howard to take the next step in career. The Race thinks that is only to going to come through maturity -- and perhaps a little heartbreak in the playoffs. But Howard is an exceptionally talented player based on physical skills alone. When the mental part catches up, he will be a force.

6. Dwyane Wade, Heat (11-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 38.5 27.1 5.2 6.0 1.8 1.3 .430 .240 .763

Last Week's Rank - 6
Did The Race hear Wade call out his teammates recently, saying they need to get him open more often? There is a fine line between sour grapes and frustration, and sometimes it's difficult to decipher where that line lies. Wade, however, has been carrying an increasingly heavy burden, evidenced by his shooting percentage of 43, down from 49 a year ago.

7. Kevin Durant, Thunder (11-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 39.6 28.1 7.1 3.1 1.8 0.8 .464 .289 .880

Last Week's Rank - 7
Durant just keeps motoring along as the league's best young talent. He is particularly highlighted now that Greg Oden is out for the year. We always thought those two would forever be linked and compared in their careers. And they will. But it may no longer ever be a comparable race. Which is too bad. Nonetheless, Durant continues to impress and recently became the second-youngest player in the history of the league to score 3,000 points, behind only the guy at the top of this list.

8. Steve Nash, Suns (15-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
22 32.8 17.5 2.6 11.0 0.3 0.2 .524 .474 .957

Last Week's Rank - 6
Only a few weeks ago, Nash was No. 1. Now, like the Suns, he has dropped dramatically. As Phoenix struggles, Nash seems to have changed his focus from distributing to scoring. He had 32 against Sacramento last week, 27 in a one-point loss to Dallas. He has double-digit assists in only one of his last five games, something that happened in 10 of his first 15.

9. Brandon Roy, Trail Blazers (14-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 37.3 21.0 4.6 4.9 0.6 0.1 .456 .329 .805

Last Week's Rank - 10
This is what The Race likes to see out of a candidate: Greg Oden goes down, Roy senses that his team needs something around which to rally, and he ramps up his game to accommodate. In the game Oden went down, he had 28, leading the Blazers to a one-point victory. The next game Roy had 27. Then he went for 29. Normally he allows his team to get involved. Now he is elevating his game when they need him. Wise beyond his experience.

10. Tyreke Evans, Kings (9-12)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
20 36.1 20.1 5.0 5.1 1.5 0.2 .464 .262 .774

Last Week's Rank - n/a
There are two different views of expectations that enable The Race to have some fun and throw Evans in the mix. First, there are the expectations of the Toronto Raptors, who should have a far better record than they do and whose record is keeping Chris Bosh from accompanying this journey on a regular basis. The Kings have a winning percentage that is similar to Toronto's, but they were not expected to be nearly as good as that. And because they are overachieving, the rookie Evans needs to be recognized for his 20.1 points, 5.0 rebounds and 5.1 assists. Evans is a beast, and should only get better given he is playing the position most difficult to learn as a rookie.



**Note, rookie Tyreke Evans is in the Top 10. Couple of weeks ago, Brandon Jennings was in the top 10. That shows us that these two rooks are something special, and hopefully will be the future of the NBA. :clap:

Tyreke Evans:speechless:

GrandDaddyPurp
12-12-2009, 10:30 PM
Tyreke !!

ko8e24
12-13-2009, 01:45 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/12/09)

Dirk Nowitzki: 36 pts, 6 rebs, 2 assts, 3 stls, 1 blk in a 98-97 overtime home win over the Bobcats

Carmelo Anthony: 32 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls in a 105-99 home win over the Suns

Steve Nash: 28 pts, 2 rebs, 7 assts, 1 blk in a 105-99 road loss to the Nuggets

Brandon Roy: 23 pts, 8 rebs, 6 assts in a 108-101 double overtime road loss to the Bucks

Tyreke Evans: 18 pts, 5 rebs, 5 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 120-100 home win over the Timberwolves

Kobe Bryant: 16 pts, 6 rebs, 5 assts, 1 stl in a 102-94 road loss to the Jazz

Paul Pierce: 14 pts, 3 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 106-80 road win over the Bulls

TheWatcher34
12-13-2009, 06:33 PM
Nash

ko8e24
12-13-2009, 06:40 PM
Nash

suns have lost 4 of the last 6....but thanx for the input, lol

cheetos185
12-13-2009, 06:50 PM
Jared jeffries for MVP every PG's worst nightmare :D

Edit back to point i pick lebron because lakers can win without kobe (sometimes) and so can nuggets but cavs can't win without lebron

ko8e24
12-13-2009, 07:26 PM
Jared jeffries for MVP every PG's worst nightmare :D

:pity: comments like those that make this great thread look crappy.


Just pick one of the obvious choices-kobe, bron, dirk, melo, wade, nash, dwight


and then give ur explanation as to why you pick that guy, simple.

TheWatcher34
12-13-2009, 07:38 PM
suns have lost 4 of the last 6....but thanx for the input, lol

yes, Steve Nash has been most valuable so far this season. the suns have dropped some games lately due to their nasty schedule playing constantly on the road against tough opponents and back to back games. Very soon even your LA Lakers will drop some games as their schedule is getting tougher.

JayW_1023
12-13-2009, 08:02 PM
So far it's Kobe, Melo or Dirk.

MELO 15
12-13-2009, 08:10 PM
The obvious answer for me would be Melo, he is truly the hardest cover in the nba, he has elevated his game, I remembered a time when people would say he needs to play defense, well people, guess what he's playing some D, and he wants to guard the opponents best player, and I will attribute that to kobe, they have been best of friends and he has been working with Melo, since THE REDEEM TEAM, and into this season. And when asked both kobe and phil J admitted to not wanting to see the nuggets till the west finals, and a big reasos for that is beause of Melo's play. This man deserves being the MVP thus far.

ko8e24
12-14-2009, 04:50 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/13/09)

LeBron James: 44 pts, 7 rebs, 6 assts, 4 stls, 1 blk in a 102-89 road win over the Thunder

Kevin Durant: 29 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assts, 4 stls, 1 blk in a 102-89 home loss to the Cavaliers

Joe Johnson: 21 pts, 3 rebs, 10 assts, 4 stls in a 130-107 home win over the Nets

Dwyane Wade: 25 pts, 4 rebs, 4 assts in a 118-90 home loss to the Grizzlies

ko8e24
12-14-2009, 11:59 PM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/14/09)

Dwight Howard: 21 pts, 23 rebs, 1 asst, 4 blks in a 106-98 home win over the Pacers

Carmelo Anthony: 31 pts, 5 rebs, 2 assts in a 102-93 home win over the Thunder

Kevin Durant: 32 pts, 10 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 102-93 road loss to the Nuggets

Paul Pierce: 19 pts, 2 rebs, 6 assts, 1 stl, 2 blks in a 110-105 road win over the Grizzlies

Dirk Nowitzki: 10 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 94-90 home win over the Hornets

BlondeBomber41
12-15-2009, 12:01 AM
Dirk only took 11 shots tonight, I dont know why he was so unselfish. No biggie though, got the win.

ko8e24
12-15-2009, 06:55 PM
ESPN.com's Awards Watch UPDATED: 12/15/09

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/Awards-091215/awards-watch

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
22 36.8 .481 .300 .845 2.1 0.3 5.5 4.2 27.8 25.3
He was off in the Lakers' loss to the Jazz, scoring 16 points on 7-for-24 shooting with six turnovers. Considering he had a broken finger and was feeling ill, he gets a pass here. (Last week: 1 | Team record: 18-4)

2. LeBron James, Cavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
24 37.8 .511 .368 .783 1.3 0.8 6.9 8.0 28.8 30.6
Cleveland is just 2-2 in its past four games, but don't blame James, who has scored at least 43 twice during that span. He's the only player in the league with a PER over 30. (Last week: 2 | Team record: 17-7)

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
25 37.1 .487 .361 .873 1.2 0.3 6.0 3.1 30.4 25.6
The Nuggets have the second-most wins in the league thanks to Anthony, who continues to get points with ease. He has scored at least 30 points in four straight games. (Last week: 3 | Team record: 18-7)

4. Dwight Howard, Magic

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
24 34.3 .633 .000 .584 1.0 2.0 12.7 1.6 18.2 24.1
The Pacers tried to be physical with him on Monday. The result? He had 21 points and 23 rebounds. He is sixth in the NBA in blocks, second in shooting and first in rebounding. (Last week: 4 | Team record: 18-6)

5. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
25 38.7 .467 .346 .888 1.1 1.4 8.2 2.8 26.6 24.8
He continues to come up big, including Saturday against the Bobcats. He scored 18 of his 36 points in the fourth and OT and hit the game winner with 1.8 seconds left. (Last week: 6 | Team record: 18-7)

6. Steve Nash, Suns

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
24 33.2 .529 .460 .940 0.3 0.2 2.8 11.1 18.0 23.6
The former MVP is enjoying one of his best seasons ever late in his career. Unfortunately, the Suns have fallen to 6-8 in games he doesn't get at least 11 assists. (Last week: 5 | Team record: 16-8)

7. Joe Johnson, Hawks

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
23 37.3 .449 .300 .874 1.2 0.0 5.2 5.1 21.0 19.2
He has scored in double digits in every game but one. In Sunday's win against the Nets (Atlanta's fourth straight) he had 21 points and 10 assists (second double-double). (Last week: 7 | Team record: 17-6)

8. Paul Pierce, Celtics

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
24 35.3 .481 .444 .835 1.1 0.5 4.4 3.8 18.0 19.1
He recently went over 19,000 points for his career. You could make a case that Rajon Rondo is Boston's most important player, but PP is the team's most consistent player. (Last week: 8 | Team record: 20-4)

9. Deron Williams, Jazz

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
22 39.2 .485 .360 .750 1.2 0.2 4.4 10.3 20.4 21.3
He has been unstoppable at times, averaging 25 points and 11.6 assists in the past five games. He is one of two players in the top 15 in scoring and top five in assists. (Last week: NR | Team record: 14-10)

10. Pau Gasol, Lakers

G MIN FG% 3P% FT% STL BLK RPG AST PTS PER
11 34.5 .578 .000 .902 0.5 1.3 11.5 4.1 17.6 26.2
The Lakers are 10-1 since he returned. He has grabbed at least 20 boards in both of the past two games and continues to show he is one of the best passing big men. (Last week: NR | Team record: 18-4)




Kevin Durant is not on this list anymore, and I'm surprised. Brandon Roy and Dwyane Wade are off the list. Deron Williams and Pau Gasol have moved up into the Top 10.

Mavrix
12-15-2009, 07:09 PM
Why the hell is Gasol in the Top 10? He's not even the first option on his team.

Shady66
12-15-2009, 08:02 PM
Pretty good list, Pau shouldnt be there though. Also, i never realized how high Nashs fg% was.

rapswin98
12-15-2009, 08:10 PM
i think pau deserves to be up there his numbers are similar to howard's.

rapswin98
12-15-2009, 08:15 PM
If the lakers continue this pace, the award will go to kobe.

bigsams50
12-15-2009, 09:15 PM
Glad to see Deron Williams getting some love. Dude's sick, but he never gets the recognition

Kakaroach
12-15-2009, 10:07 PM
Glad to see Deron Williams getting some love. Dude's sick, but he never gets the recognition Was just about to post that. First he gets the player of the week award and now he gets some MVP recognition. Guess people actually notice him now.

ko8e24
12-16-2009, 12:14 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/15/09)

Kobe Bryant: 42 pts, 2 rebs, 3 assts, 3 stls in a 96-87 road win over the Bulls

Steve Nash: 25 pts, 3 rebs, 13 assts, 1 stl in a 116-104 home win over the Spurs

LeBron James: 23 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assts, 2 stls in a 99-89 home win over the Nets

Pau Gasol: 10 pts, 16 rebs, 2 assts, 2 blks in a 96-87 road win over the Bulls

Tyreke Evans: 19 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 95-88 road loss to the Trailblazers

Raph12
12-16-2009, 12:42 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/15/09)

Kobe Bryant: 42 pts, 2 rebs, 3 assts, 3 stls in a 96-87 road win over the Bulls

Steve Nash: 25 pts, 3 rebs, 13 assts, 1 stl in a 116-104 home win over the Spurs

LeBron James: 23 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assts, 2 stls in a 99-89 home win over the Nets

Pau Gasol: 10 pts, 16 rebs, 2 assts, 2 blks in a 96-87 road win over the Bulls

Gasol seemingly got shutdown offensively, but I never watched the game... who was guarding him?

ko8e24
12-16-2009, 12:45 AM
Gasol seemingly got shutdown offensively, but I never watched the game... who was guarding him?

Noah, lol. He was a beast. Like Gasol had 16 board, but Noah had like 20 boards (12 or so on the offensive glass) and 6 rejections. A lot of them on Gasol

Raph12
12-16-2009, 01:10 AM
Noah, lol. He was a beast. Like Gasol had 16 board, but Noah had like 20 boards (12 or so on the offensive glass) and 6 rejections. A lot of them on Gasol

Damn, didn't know Noah to be so adept defensively.

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 12:27 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates:

Pau Gasol: 26 pts, 22 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl, 4 blks in a 107-106 OT road win over the Bucks (First 20+ pt 20+ reb game of his career)

Kobe Bryant: 39 pts, 7 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl in a 107-106 OT road win over the Bucks (Game Winner at the BUZZER)

Carmelo Anthony: 38 pts, 9 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 111-101 home win over the Rockets

LeBron James: 36 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assts, 3 stls, 1 blk in a 108-101 road win over the 76ers

Dirk Nowitzki: 35 pts, 11 rebs, 2 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 100-86 road win over the Thunder

Tyreke Evans: 26 pts, 6 rebs, 6 assts, 2 blks in a 112-109 home win over the Wizards

Joe Johnson: 26 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls in a 110-97 home win over the Grizzlies

Deron Williams: 20 pts, 4 rebs, 14 assts in a 108-92 road win over the Nets

Dwight Howard: 18 pts, 14 rebs, 8 blks in a 118-99 home win over the Raptors

Jack of Blades
12-17-2009, 12:35 AM
Dirk for MVP :pray:

Raph12
12-17-2009, 12:51 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates:

Pau Gasol: 26 pts, 22 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl, 4 blks in a 107-106 OT road win over the Bucks (First 20+ pt 20+ reb game of his career)

Kobe Bryant: 39 pts, 7 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl in a 107-106 OT road win over the Bucks (Game Winner at the BUZZER)

Carmelo Anthony: 38 pts, 9 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 111-101 home win over the Rockets

LeBron James: 36 pts, 6 rebs, 7 assts, 3 stls, 1 blk in a 108-101 road win over the 76ers

Dirk Nowitzki: 35 pts, 11 rebs, 2 assts, 2 stls, 1 blk in a 100-86 road win over the Thunder

Joe Johnson: 26 pts, 8 rebs, 3 assts, 2 stls in a 110-97 home win over the Grizzlies

Deron Williams: 20 pts, 4 rebs, 14 assts in a 108-92 road win over the Nets

Dwight Howard: 18 pts, 14 rebs, 8 blks in a 118-99 home win over the Raptors

DAMN!!! So many guys beasting tonight!

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 12:56 AM
DAMN!!! So many guys beasting tonight!

for sure man, and most important thing, they all led their respective teams to a W

BlondeBomber41
12-17-2009, 01:11 AM
I love the hidden Laker fan homerism by ko8e24 in this thread. When Dirk hits the game winner against Charlotte no mention is made of it, but when Kobe does it it certainly is mentioned.

rabueed
12-17-2009, 02:02 AM
I love the hidden Laker fan homerism by ko8e24 in this thread. When Dirk hits the game winner against Charlotte no mention is made of it, but when Kobe does it it certainly is mentioned.

it's not homerism, he's just supporting his team and respective players. It isn't his job to point out Dirk's big shot, he could care less.

I swear, people love using the homer term too much, especially against LA fans. So we appreciate our team, what's your point? Kobe hit a great shot, so did Dirk. However, i'm more passionate about Kobe's shot than Dirk's, so i'm quick to mention what Kobe did. Dirk's was nice, but not something that amazed me, he isn't my team's superstar.

quit calling ppl out and being disrespectful.

tredigs
12-17-2009, 02:09 AM
Roy on the original list... :facepalm:

He's closer to LVP than M. My vote's for Dirk so far.
And up until tonight's no show, I thought Durant had had the best month so far.

rabueed
12-17-2009, 02:17 AM
yeah, i'm going with:

1. Kobe
2. Dirk
3. Melo

they're are definitely carrying their respective teams to victory after victory. Dirk is having a better season than his MVP one. Kobe is playing insane, even with another broken finger. And can Melo be more efficient on offense than he is right now?

BlondeBomber41
12-17-2009, 02:18 AM
it's not homerism, he's just supporting his team and respective players. It isn't his job to point out Dirk's big shot, he could care less.

I swear, people love using the homer term too much, especially against LA fans. So we appreciate our team, what's your point? Kobe hit a great shot, so did Dirk. However, i'm more passionate about Kobe's shot than Dirk's, so i'm quick to mention what Kobe did. Dirk's was nice, but not something that amazed me, he isn't my team's superstar.

quit calling ppl out and being disrespectful.

Its suppose to be a unbiased thread where people can talk about the MVP race. When one player does something and you acknowledge it but dont acknowledge it when another player does it, thats wrong.

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 02:19 AM
I love the hidden Laker fan homerism by ko8e24 in this thread. When Dirk hits the game winner against Charlotte no mention is made of it, but when Kobe does it it certainly is mentioned.

Not at the buzzer, technically with 1.8 seconds left he hit the shot. And I'm sure I've mentioned a Dirk game winner at the buzzer when they beat the Bucks at Milwaukee


PS: wut a coincidence :D

rabueed
12-17-2009, 02:31 AM
Its suppose to be a unbiased thread where people can talk about the MVP race. When one player does something and you acknowledge it but dont acknowledge it when another player does it, thats wrong.

who says he was being biased? He just failed to note it, you don't know why he did so.

He doesn't have to mention all the MVP candidates' stats, but he does for all PSDers who visit this thread. He like Kobe and the Lakers, he added a little note regarding it. If he never mentioned it about Dirk, what's the big deal? He's not a Maverick fan, you are, you should mention it. Plus, we all know how good Dirk's been playing, game winner and all, you don't think it caught our eye?

unbiased thread aside, you honestly are telling me that not one person in here has defended their respective team's MVP candidate more so than others? :rolleyes:

even you just now defended Dirk, so don't give me any :bs:

quit trying to stir up trouble, dude, it was uncalled for.

BlondeBomber41
12-17-2009, 02:39 AM
who says he was being biased? He just failed to note it, you don't know why he did so.

He doesn't have to mention all the MVP candidates' stats, but he does for all PSDers who visit this thread. He like Kobe and the Lakers, he added a little note regarding it. If he never mentioned it about Dirk, what's the big deal? He's not a Maverick fan, you are, you should mention it. Plus, we all know how good Dirk's been playing, game winner and all, you don't think it caught our eye?

unbiased thread aside, you honestly are telling me that not one person in here has defended their respective team's MVP candidate more so than others? :rolleyes:

even you just now defended Dirk, so don't give me any :bs:

quit trying to stir up trouble, dude, it was uncalled for.

You dont get it. When a poster is managing a thread like this its his job to post just the facts and be totally unbiased. He can argue all he wants for Kobe after the stats are posted, but to not put something for a player but do it for his favorite player is bias. I dont know how you dont understand that.

If there is gonna be a stickied MVP discussion thread that runs all season then it needs to be run by someone who is only posting unbias info. Im not saying that I have anything against him or think he isn't doing a good job, its just something that needed to be addressed.

This has nothing to do with me defending Dirk, it just so happens the Dirk thing stood out to me because it was so recent.

Raph12
12-17-2009, 02:41 AM
for sure man, and most important thing, they all led their respective teams to a W

20-20 for Gasol, 8 blks for Superman, gamewinners for Kobe and Dirk, and stat-stuffers for everyone (LBJ, Melo, D-Will and JJ), with victories across the board... talk about making a case for the MVP award.

With Evans making a case for ROY.

BlondeBomber41
12-17-2009, 02:41 AM
Not at the buzzer, technically with 1.8 seconds left he hit the shot. And I'm sure I've mentioned a Dirk game winner at the buzzer when they beat the Bucks at Milwaukee


PS: wut a coincidence :D

Well if you are gonna discredit Dirks shot because it left 1.8 seconds on the clock you should probably mention that Kobe missed on his first attempt to win the game and thats why it took overtime to win. :cool:

I'd rather leave 1.8 seconds on the clock then miss and go to overtime, but thats just me. :shrug:

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 02:48 AM
Well if you are gonna discredit Dirks shot because it left 1.8 seconds on the clock you should probably mention that Kobe missed on his first attempt to win the game and thats why it took overtime to win. :cool:

I'd rather leave 1.8 seconds on the clock then miss and go to overtime, but thats just me. :shrug:

im not discrediting or anything, but a buzzer beater is a buzzer beater. its just makes it a more dramatic thing.

dont worry, this doesn't affect Dirk's quest for the MVP at all, lol

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 02:50 AM
and from here on out, I will make an effort to look at everyone's game winners (at the buzzer of final possession shots)

and I will mention it from here on out, don't worry

Lakersfan2483
12-17-2009, 02:55 AM
Front runners for the MVP award right now are Kobe, Lebron, Howard, Melo and Dirk....

rabueed
12-17-2009, 02:55 AM
You dont get it. When a poster is managing a thread like this its his job to post just the facts and be totally unbiased. He can argue all he wants for Kobe after the stats are posted, but to not put something for a player but do it for his favorite player is bias. I dont know how you dont understand that.

If there is gonna be a stickied MVP discussion thread that runs all season then it needs to be run by someone who is only posting unbias info. Im not saying that I have anything against him or think he isn't doing a good job, its just something that needed to be addressed.

This has nothing to do with me defending Dirk, it just so happens the Dirk thing stood out to me because it was so recent.

he pointed out that it was a buzzer beater, that's the facts. Dirk's wasn't, so he didn't mention it. end of story.

and Kobe missing in regulation should have been mentioned? That's dumb, dude, no sense in discrediting Kobe. He may not have credited Dirk for his almost-buzzer beater, but he didn't discredit him for anything.

if you think you can run it better, go ahead.

and you think it needs to be addressed, that's fine. But do it in a more friendly manner, not offensive like the manner you chose. Because what you said insults multiple Laker fans, not just one.

i'm so sick of the term "homer"!

IRUAM #21
12-17-2009, 02:55 AM
I've yet to see Mark Blount mentioned.

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 03:07 AM
oh btw, Kobe is the frontrunner for MVP

5 games of 40+ already this season
2 game winner
Top 5 in ppg
Top 5 in steals per game
Shooting a career high in FG%
AMAZING first 11 games w/o Pau (9-2) (While Drew was playing solid as well with 20-10, can't forget that)
Lakers tied with Celtics for best record in NBA (20-4)
Giving hell to his opponents down in the post.

Raph12
12-17-2009, 03:45 AM
Yo ko8e24, I noticed you didn't have TimmyD's stats up there. I know he isn't in the NBA's Top 10 for the R2MVP, but neither is Evans, sooooo.

Anyways, for anyone who cares here is the big fundamental's statline:
27pts-15rebs-4asts-4blks-1stl in a road victory

BlondeBomber41
12-17-2009, 01:34 PM
Yo ko8e24, I noticed you didn't have TimmyD's stats up there. I know he isn't in the NBA's Top 10 for the R2MVP, but neither is Evans, sooooo.

Anyways, for anyone who cares here is the big fundamental's statline:
27pts-15rebs-4asts-4blks-1stl in a road victory

Or Pau Gasol for that matter...

DirkIsTheBest
12-17-2009, 01:40 PM
Dirk >>>>>>>> Kobe

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 04:00 PM
Yo ko8e24, I noticed you didn't have TimmyD's stats up there. I know he isn't in the NBA's Top 10 for the R2MVP, but neither is Evans, sooooo.

Anyways, for anyone who cares here is the big fundamental's statline:
27pts-15rebs-4asts-4blks-1stl in a road victory

Well, Evans is actually in the Top 10 for NBA.com's Race to the MVP. But they update that list on NBA.com every Friday, so tomorrow, there will be a new list.

And to DirkBomber......Pau is actually on the list of the updated ESPN Awards Watch for the MVP


To everyone, just remember this, ESPN Awards Watch for the MVP is updated every Tuesday, and NBA.com Race to the MVP is updated every Friday.

ko8e24
12-17-2009, 04:03 PM
Dirk >>>>>>>> Kobe

Okay, not gonna say anything bad about Dirk cuz he's one of my all time favotite players to watch in NBA History.


That being said, you gotta grow up kid.

rabueed
12-17-2009, 06:44 PM
The question is, who is more valuable to their respective team?

Now I rarely watch Dallas games, so I can't speak on behalf of Dirk. However, every time I watch a Laker game, whenever Kobe exits the game, the Lakers look both defensively and offensively out-of-sync. Most of the time i'm sitting there waiting for Phil to put him back in because we are giving away the game. I can safely say that the Lakers would probably lose 15-20 games more without him IMO. Don't hold this against me if you disagree, just my thought.

that said, i'm not sure how Dallas would do without Dirk. I know he carries them offensively, and his defense has picked up this year. I just have a small sample size to judge his play. Also, since team success matters severely in deciding the MVP, the Lakers have the advantage there atm.

iggypop123
12-17-2009, 08:42 PM
Dirk >>>>>>>> Kobe

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

TheKing23
12-17-2009, 08:51 PM
The question is, who is more valuable to their respective team?

Now I rarely watch Dallas games, so I can't speak on behalf of Dirk. However, every time I watch a Laker game, whenever Kobe exits the game, the Lakers look both defensively and offensively out-of-sync. Most of the time i'm sitting there waiting for Phil to put him back in because we are giving away the game. I can safely say that the Lakers would probably lose 15-20 games more without him IMO. Don't hold this against me if you disagree, just my thought.

that said, i'm not sure how Dallas would do without Dirk. I know he carries them offensively, and his defense has picked up this year. I just have a small sample size to judge his play. Also, since team success matters severely in deciding the MVP, the Lakers have the advantage there atm.

Well if we're gonna use as a way of finding the MVP it would be LeBron no doubt... The Cavs would be a sub 20 win team without him. The team looks nervous and unconvincing when he isn't on the floor and we still have no legit 2nd option (Mo Williams? A 37 year old Shaq?)

Raph12
12-17-2009, 08:58 PM
Well, Evans is actually in the Top 10 for NBA.com's Race to the MVP. But they update that list on NBA.com every Friday, so tomorrow, there will be a new list.

And to DirkBomber......Pau is actually on the list of the updated ESPN Awards Watch for the MVP


To everyone, just remember this, ESPN Awards Watch for the MVP is updated every Tuesday, and NBA.com Race to the MVP is updated every Friday.

Hmm, didn't realize that lol, guess your in the clear for that one. But Duncan's stellar night deserved some mentioning so I'm glad I was the one to bring it up.

rabueed
12-18-2009, 12:11 AM
Well if we're gonna use as a way of finding the MVP it would be LeBron no doubt... The Cavs would be a sub 20 win team without him. The team looks nervous and unconvincing when he isn't on the floor and we still have no legit 2nd option (Mo Williams? A 37 year old Shaq?)

Oh, I definitely agree with you. Lebron is easily the most valuable player to their respective team in the entire league.

However, if the season concluded today, Lebron wouldn't be voted MVP because of lack of team success. The reason Kobe would more than likely be voted for MVP is because of his individual play as well as team success.

The league has consistently taken into account team success when regarding the MVP award. I don't agree with the league on this matter, but that's the way the dice rolls. IMO Kobe was easily the most important player for their respective team in 04-05, but he didn't win the MVP for lack of team success. I was mad then, and I still think accounting for team success isn't fair. :shrug:

don't get me wrong, Cleveland and Dallas are having above .500 seasons, but the Lakers are the top dog next to the Celtics atm, and with Kobe's injured finger, I don't see why he wouldn't get MVP (if the season ended today, that is).

sunnydayin'zona
12-18-2009, 12:28 AM
steve nash for mv3.

ko8e24
12-18-2009, 02:02 AM
Oh, I definitely agree with you. Lebron is easily the most valuable player to their respective team in the entire league.

However, if the season concluded today, Lebron wouldn't be voted MVP because of lack of team success. The reason Kobe would more than likely be voted for MVP is because of his individual play as well as team success.

The league has consistently taken into account team success when regarding the MVP award. I don't agree with the league on this matter, but that's the way the dice rolls. IMO Kobe was easily the most important player for their respective team in 04-05, but he didn't win the MVP for lack of team success. I was mad then, and I still think accounting for team success isn't fair. :shrug:

don't get me wrong, Cleveland and Dallas are having above .500 seasons, but the Lakers are the top dog next to the Celtics atm, and with Kobe's injured finger, I don't see why he wouldn't get MVP (if the season ended today, that is).

05-06...35.4 ppg (45-37, 7th seed, tooks Suns to 7 games, but choked after 3-1 lead)

04-05...didn't make playoffs (34-48)

ko8e24
12-18-2009, 02:03 AM
Hmm, didn't realize that lol, guess your in the clear for that one. But Duncan's stellar night deserved some mentioning so I'm glad I was the one to bring it up.

ya for sure. Timmy D would be a legit MVP contender if the Spurs weren't barely over .500. But he did have a monster night

ko8e24
12-18-2009, 02:27 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates

Brandon Roy: 27 pts, 8 rebs, 4 assts, 3 stls in a 105-102 home win over the Suns

Dwyane Wade: 25 pts, 3 rebs, 7 assts, 3 blks in a 104-86 home win over the Magic

Dwight Howard: 17 pts, 14 rebs, 2 blks in a 104-86 road loss to the Magic

Steve Nash: 16 pts, 5 rebs, 13 assts, 2 stls in a 105-102 road loss to the Trailblazers

rabueed
12-18-2009, 05:38 AM
05-06...35.4 ppg (45-37, 7th seed, tooks Suns to 7 games, but choked after 3-1 lead)

04-05...didn't make playoffs (34-48)

my bad, thanks for the correction. :up:

Kakaroach
12-18-2009, 08:04 PM
Deron Williams is so under-rated, he's not even in the top 10 in the NBA.com MVP rankings. :pity:

DerekRE_3
12-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Deron Williams is so under-rated, he's not even in the top 10 in the NBA.com MVP rankings. :pity:

Tyreke Evans is up to 9th. :D

ko8e24
12-18-2009, 09:21 PM
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/12/18/racetomvp.week7/index.html

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers, (20-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
24 37.5 28.9 5.4 4.1 2.1 0.3 .485 .295 .846

Last Week's Rank - 1
The Race was listening to Jeff Van Gundy on a broadcast the other night, and Van brought up an interesting concept: "I think Kobe just comes up with stuff to challenge himself," he said. Breaking one's own finger to make the game more invigorating is a novel idea, indeed, but Van's point is well taken: How do you fracture a finger, then go for 42 one night and 39 the next, including the game-winner? Because your game is extraordinarily sick, that's how. This is the Lakers' star's third consecutive week at No. 1

2. LeBron James, Cavaliers (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 38.0 28.9 6.8 8.0 1.4 0.7 .507 .368 .782

Last Week's Rank - 2
This is a big week for James, who has led his team to four consecutive victories by averaging 34 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in that span. On Sunday, James faces Dirk Nowitzki in Dallas, which should be a fine matchup. Then on Monday, the Cavs go to Phoenix, where Shaquille O'Neal is, well, highly likely to get booed. The Cavs won the first game of that revenge series, we'll see how this one goes down.

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 37.3 30.7 6.1 3.1 1.2 0.4 .483 .371 .879

Last Week's Rank - 3
The Race was listening to the radio the other day, and the guy on the mike said that Kobe Bryant and LeBron James are the only untradeable commodities in the NBA right now. And The Race thought: I can't imagine Denver giving up Anthony for anybody (especially since Kobe and LeBron are apparently not available). Since his season-low 14 points, Anthony has averaged 35 points a game.

4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 38.7 26.9 8.3 2.8 1.2 1.4 .476 .370 .888

Last Week's Rank - 4
Does everybody have an easy schedule right now, or what? Like the players above him, Nowitzki has the Mavericks on a five-game win streak – though somebody's streak has to come to an end in the aforementioned Sunday showdown with Cleveland. Interestingly, Nowitzki threw up a 10-spot two games ago against New Orleans, easily his lowest output of the season. He did not even score less than that during the preseason.

5. Dwight Howard, Magic (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 34.3 18.1 12.8 1.5 1.0 2.3 .636 .000 .588

Last Week's Rank - 5
The Race is starting to see some consistency in its standings, as it predicted so many weeks ago that it would. Howard, at 5 for the second straight week, is beginning to elevate his game to a new level. When El Capitan had 18 points, 14 rebounds and eight blocks against Toronto, it was the third time he this year he had at least 15, 10 and eight. Nobody else in the league has done that even once this year.

6. Dwyane Wade, Heat (13-11)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
24 37.5 26.6 5.2 6.0 1.5 1.2 .433 .259 .758

Last Week's Rank - 6
The Race would really like to see Wade's shooting percentages come up. He is shooting a career-low 43.3 percent from the field. To put that in perspective, his previous low was 46.5 point – and that came during his rookie year, when he was trying to figure out everything. He also is shooting just 26 percent from 3-point range. If he started making more shots, his scoring average of 26.6 would be closer to the 30.2 he averaged last season.

7. Brandon Roy, Trail Blazers (16-11)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
27 38.2 21.6 4.8 5.1 0.8 0.1 .444 .330 .787

Last Week's Rank - 9
This is The Race's first shakeup of the week, Roy moving up from No. 9 to No. 7. It's because he has his team on a two-game win streak after it came off a four-game road trip in the East. Roy is averaging 26 points, seven assists and seven rebounds in those games. He'll have to keep it up this week, however; in succession, the Blazers face Orlando, Miami, Dallas and San Antonio on the road, then return home to host Denver with Carmelo.

8. Steve Nash, Suns (17-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 33.6 18.2 2.8 11.3 0.4 0.2 11.3 .453 .941

Last Week's Rank - 8
Nash is doing what he can to help the Suns, averaging nearly 13 assists a game over the past four games. However, he needs some help; the Suns have lost six of their past nine games and are looking mortal again. Nash appears as if he is trying to decide whether to score or distribute. The Suns seem like a better team when he dishes.

9. Tyreke Evans, Kings, (11-13)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 36.0 20.3 5.1 5.0 1.5 0.4 .472 .244 .779

Last Week's Rank - 10
The kid played in his first nationally broadcast game on Tuesday night and fared exceedingly well, scoring 24 points to go with six assists, six rebounds and two blocks, both on Gilbert Arenas. Now that he is getting exposure, it will be interesting to see how Evans responds. But he seems like a down-to-earth chap – and it helps he is residing in Sacramento rather than New York or LA.

10. Tim Duncan, Spurs (13-10)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
21 32.1 20.1 10.6 3.3 0.5 2.1 .554 .000 .766

Last Week's Rank - n/a
We have to go with Tim Duncan over Kevin Durant for the final spot. While Durant's Thunder have lost three in a row, including a loss to Dallas in which Durant had 12 points and four turnovers, Duncan just keeps plugging along at a high level of play. He is averaging 20 points, 10 rebounds and three assists, and just because he is not flashy does not mean he should be forgotten. Almost healthy, the Spurs have won four of five, putting Duncan back in the upper echelon of players.

Raph12
12-18-2009, 09:32 PM
http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/12/18/racetomvp.week7/index.html

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers, (20-4)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
24 37.5 28.9 5.4 4.1 2.1 0.3 .485 .295 .846

Last Week's Rank - 1
The Race was listening to Jeff Van Gundy on a broadcast the other night, and Van brought up an interesting concept: "I think Kobe just comes up with stuff to challenge himself," he said. Breaking one's own finger to make the game more invigorating is a novel idea, indeed, but Van's point is well taken: How do you fracture a finger, then go for 42 one night and 39 the next, including the game-winner? Because your game is extraordinarily sick, that's how. This is the Lakers' star's third consecutive week at No. 1

2. LeBron James, Cavaliers (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 38.0 28.9 6.8 8.0 1.4 0.7 .507 .368 .782

Last Week's Rank - 2
This is a big week for James, who has led his team to four consecutive victories by averaging 34 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists in that span. On Sunday, James faces Dirk Nowitzki in Dallas, which should be a fine matchup. Then on Monday, the Cavs go to Phoenix, where Shaquille O'Neal is, well, highly likely to get booed. The Cavs won the first game of that revenge series, we'll see how this one goes down.

3. Carmelo Anthony, Nuggets (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 37.3 30.7 6.1 3.1 1.2 0.4 .483 .371 .879

Last Week's Rank - 3
The Race was listening to the radio the other day, and the guy on the mike said that Kobe Bryant and LeBron James are the only untradeable commodities in the NBA right now. And The Race thought: I can't imagine Denver giving up Anthony for anybody (especially since Kobe and LeBron are apparently not available). Since his season-low 14 points, Anthony has averaged 35 points a game.

4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavericks (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 38.7 26.9 8.3 2.8 1.2 1.4 .476 .370 .888

Last Week's Rank - 4
Does everybody have an easy schedule right now, or what? Like the players above him, Nowitzki has the Mavericks on a five-game win streak though somebody's streak has to come to an end in the aforementioned Sunday showdown with Cleveland. Interestingly, Nowitzki threw up a 10-spot two games ago against New Orleans, easily his lowest output of the season. He did not even score less than that during the preseason.

5. Dwight Howard, Magic (19-7)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 34.3 18.1 12.8 1.5 1.0 2.3 .636 .000 .588

Last Week's Rank - 5
The Race is starting to see some consistency in its standings, as it predicted so many weeks ago that it would. Howard, at 5 for the second straight week, is beginning to elevate his game to a new level. When El Capitan had 18 points, 14 rebounds and eight blocks against Toronto, it was the third time he this year he had at least 15, 10 and eight. Nobody else in the league has done that even once this year.

6. Dwyane Wade, Heat (13-11)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
24 37.5 26.6 5.2 6.0 1.5 1.2 .433 .259 .758

Last Week's Rank - 6
The Race would really like to see Wade's shooting percentages come up. He is shooting a career-low 43.3 percent from the field. To put that in perspective, his previous low was 46.5 point and that came during his rookie year, when he was trying to figure out everything. He also is shooting just 26 percent from 3-point range. If he started making more shots, his scoring average of 26.6 would be closer to the 30.2 he averaged last season.

7. Brandon Roy, Trail Blazers (16-11)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
27 38.2 21.6 4.8 5.1 0.8 0.1 .444 .330 .787

Last Week's Rank - 9
This is The Race's first shakeup of the week, Roy moving up from No. 9 to No. 7. It's because he has his team on a two-game win streak after it came off a four-game road trip in the East. Roy is averaging 26 points, seven assists and seven rebounds in those games. He'll have to keep it up this week, however; in succession, the Blazers face Orlando, Miami, Dallas and San Antonio on the road, then return home to host Denver with Carmelo.

8. Steve Nash, Suns (17-9)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
26 33.6 18.2 2.8 11.3 0.4 0.2 11.3 .453 .941

Last Week's Rank - 8
Nash is doing what he can to help the Suns, averaging nearly 13 assists a game over the past four games. However, he needs some help; the Suns have lost six of their past nine games and are looking mortal again. Nash appears as if he is trying to decide whether to score or distribute. The Suns seem like a better team when he dishes.

9. Tyreke Evans, Kings, (11-13)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
23 36.0 20.3 5.1 5.0 1.5 0.4 .472 .244 .779

Last Week's Rank - 10
The kid played in his first nationally broadcast game on Tuesday night and fared exceedingly well, scoring 24 points to go with six assists, six rebounds and two blocks, both on Gilbert Arenas. Now that he is getting exposure, it will be interesting to see how Evans responds. But he seems like a down-to-earth chap and it helps he is residing in Sacramento rather than New York or LA.

10. Tim Duncan, Spurs (13-10)

G MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG FG% 3P% FT%
21 32.1 20.1 10.6 3.3 0.5 2.1 .554 .000 .766

Last Week's Rank - n/a
We have to go with Tim Duncan over Kevin Durant for the final spot. While Durant's Thunder have lost three in a row, including a loss to Dallas in which Durant had 12 points and four turnovers, Duncan just keeps plugging along at a high level of play. He is averaging 20 points, 10 rebounds and three assists, and just because he is not flashy does not mean he should be forgotten. Almost healthy, the Spurs have won four of five, putting Duncan back in the upper echelon of players.

Oh yeah, TimmyD helping to return his team to form.

Next stop on the R2MVP route, Evans exit.

ko8e24
12-19-2009, 01:07 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/18/09)

Honorable Mention- Chris Paul: 30 pts, 9 rebs, 19 assts, 1 stl in a 98-92 home win over the Nuggets :speechless:

Kevin Durant: 27 pts, 6 rebs, 1 asst, 1 blk in a 109-98 home win over the Pistons

LeBron James: 26 pts, 10 rebs, 8 assts, 3 blks in a 85-82 home win over the Bucks

Carmelo Anthony: 17 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl in a 98-92 road loss to the Hornets

Joe Johnson: 12 pts, 9 rebs, 7 assts, 1 stl in a 96-83 home win over the Jazz

Tyreke Evans: 10 pts, 4 rebs, 8 assts, 2 stls in a 112-96 road loss to the Timberwolves

Dirk Nowitzki: 5 pts, 2 rebs, 1 asst in a 116-108 OT home loss to the Rockets (left game in 1st qtr due to injury)

Paul Pierce: 9 pts, 6 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 98-97 home loss to the 76ers

Deron Williams: 2 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assts, 2 stls in a 96-83 road loss to the Hawks


Note: Some guys may not be on NBA.com/Espn.com lists, but they have been in there the last 2-3 wks or so.

b_rad23
12-19-2009, 01:14 AM
Deron and Paul Pierce were healthy?

If so :pity:

outside of lebron's game a lot of mediocre stat lines

ko8e24
12-19-2009, 01:26 AM
Deron and Paul Pierce were healthy?

If so :pity:

outside of lebron's game a lot of mediocre stat lines

im not sure what happened to d-will, but pierce didn't box out brand on the game winning tip with 8 seconds left when there was a switchup defensively for the celts

Raph12
12-19-2009, 01:48 AM
Numbers for today's main MVP candidates (12/18/09)

Honorable Mention- Chris Paul: 30 pts, 9 rebs, 19 assts, 1 stl in a 98-92 home win over the Nuggets :speechless:

Kevin Durant: 27 pts, 6 rebs, 1 asst, 1 blk in a 109-98 home win over the Pistons

LeBron James: 26 pts, 10 rebs, 8 assts, 3 blks in a 85-82 home win over the Bucks

Carmelo Anthony: 17 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assts, 1 stl in a 98-92 road loss to the Hornets

Joe Johnson: 12 pts, 9 rebs, 7 assts, 1 stl in a 96-83 home win over the Jazz

Tyreke Evans: 10 pts, 4 rebs, 8 assts, 2 stls in a 112-96 road loss to the Timberwolves

Dirk Nowitzki: 5 pts, 2 rebs, 1 asst in a 116-108 OT home loss to the Rockets (left game in 1st qtr due to injury)

Paul Pierce: 9 pts, 6 rebs, 3 assts, 1 stl in a 98-97 home loss to the 76ers

Deron Williams: 2 pts, 3 rebs, 4 assts, 2 stls in a 96-83 road loss to the Hawks


Note: Some guys may not be on NBA.com/Espn.com lists, but they have been in there the last 2-3 wks or so.

DAMN! Outside of Lebron and Durant, these statlines for these so-called MVP candidates, look more like they are from mediocre role players.

ko8e24
12-19-2009, 01:52 AM
DAMN! Outside of Lebron and Durant, these statlines for these so-called MVP candidates, look more like they are from mediocre role players.

i know, the total opposite of 2 nights ago, when all the candidates had big scoring games and victories.


ps: might be outta town for a few wks, will see yall in 2010

Raph12, If you kinda wanna take over this MVP thread thing, that'll be kool. thanx, peace.

Raph12
12-19-2009, 01:58 AM
i know, the total opposite of 2 nights ago, when all the candidates had big scoring games and victories.


ps: might be outta town for a few wks, will see yall in 2010

Raph12, If you kinda wanna take over this MVP thread thing, that'll be kool. thanx, peace.

I would love to man, but unfortunately I won't be here for Xmas time, gonna be spending it with friends in Dominican, no communication devices allowed lol... sorry bro.

Enjoy your holiday though:cheers:

ko8e24
12-19-2009, 02:14 AM
I would love to man, but unfortunately I won't be here for Xmas time, gonna be spending it with friends in Dominican, no communication devices allowed lol... sorry bro.

Enjoy your holiday though:cheers:

Kool man, you enjoy your holidays too


Oh btw, another honorable mention

Honorable Mention- Gilbert Arenas: 45 pts, 3 rebs, 13 assts, 1 blk in a 118-109 road win over the Warriors (his former team) :speechless:



Perhaps Agent Zero is close as possible to being BACK!

Raph12
12-19-2009, 02:19 AM
Kool man, you enjoy your holidays too


Oh btw, another honorable mention

Honorable Mention- Gilbert Arenas: 45 pts, 3 rebs, 13 assts, 1 blk in a 118-109 road win over the Warriors (his former team) :speechless:



Perhaps Agent Zero is close as possible to being BACK!

I think he did it to silence his critics a bit, I read something today about Arenas *****ing about how people are being too hard on him, and how since he isn't scoring 29ppg people think he's lost it, he said he's getting 20 and 7 which puts him among the best PGs in the game, but people still won't get off his back and blah, blah, blah, etc, etc...

I guess this maybe is his way of saying he can do what he used to do if he wants :shrug:

AI4MVP
12-19-2009, 02:22 AM
LeBron James is guna get MVP. nothing against Kobe, but without Kobe the lakers would still be a playoff team. If u take the cavs off LeBron they are a lottery team in the east. please dont tell me that a team with Mo Williams (although hes a very good player) would be good

ko8e24
12-19-2009, 02:32 AM
LeBron James is guna get MVP. nothing against Kobe, but without Kobe the lakers would still be a playoff team. If u take the cavs off LeBron they are a lottery team in the east. please dont tell me that a team with Mo Williams (although hes a very good player) would be good

cliche cliche cliche, blah blah blah for the last 5 yrs. come up with something new. I can use the old (but very very true fact) that his cavs got best record in nba last season, 66-16, 39-2 at home (losses to Lakers led by Kobe-this yr's League MVP and the to-be REPEAT FINALS MVP, and the Philadelphia 76ers by a single point on the last game of the regular season....which LeBron didn't play)



Don't give me that crap about him not having good teammates. That may have been the case with 2007 when he led Cavs to finals, but not last yr, and especially not this yr.



Got rid of Sczerbiak, Pavlovic, Joe Smith and Ben Wallace..


replaced with Shaq, Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon, and Leon Powe (who will be back soon from torn ACL injury)


Shaq, Parker and Moon are upgrades over Pavlovic, Wallace and Wally. Perhaps the only idfference, Joe Smith > Leon Powe. But one's guy is really old (Smith), and the other one coming back from serious injury (Powe)

ARMIN12NBA
12-19-2009, 02:37 AM
LeBron James is guna get MVP. nothing against Kobe, but without Kobe the lakers would still be a playoff team. If u take the cavs off LeBron they are a lottery team in the east. please dont tell me that a team with Mo Williams (although hes a very good player) would be good

Proportions.

The Lakers height (championship?) versus the Cavs height (2nd round?) are completely different.

The Lakers fall to a 5-8th seed and a 1st or 2nd round exit without Kobe would be comparable to the Cavs dip out of the playoffs without Lebron.

It is ALL ABOUT PROPORTIONS.

It is similar to last year when people were saying that Wade should be MVP as opposed to Lebron because Wade's team would only win 15 games without him. The problem? They won 43 with him. Lebron's team would fare better without him, but their height with him was 66 wins. The proportions even out. Lebron deserved the MVP.

Same logic applies here.

basketfan4life
12-19-2009, 04:57 AM
LeBron James is guna get MVP. nothing against Kobe, but without Kobe the lakers would still be a playoff team. If u take the cavs off LeBron they are a lottery team in the east. please dont tell me that a team with Mo Williams (although hes a very good player) would be good

if this was the case,kobe shoul have been the league mvp from 2005 to 2008,but we all learned that this is not the case,sure kobes supporting cast is better than lebron's,but if lebron wants to win the mvp he must keep his team +-3 with lakers,he can't get it winning under sixty while kobeslakers is going for 65-70 wins.no way at all...

also,my personal oppinion is that kobe is having a better year than lebron till now...don't come to me with just stats and don't forget that kobe played half of the games without gasol.

still1ballin
12-19-2009, 12:51 PM
Dwade4mvp!

Lakersfan2483
12-19-2009, 02:12 PM
Kobe is in the driver seat right now with Lebron on the passenger side. Those 2 guys are the top candidates along with Melo, Howard and Dirk.