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Zmaster52
11-24-2009, 09:04 PM
are you satisfied with the awards this year? if not, which award arent u happy with and why?

AL ROY: Andrew Bailey
NL ROY: Chris Coghlan

AL CY Young: Zack Greinke
NL CY Young: Tim Lincecum

AL MVP: Joe Mauer
NL MVP: Albert Pujols

Ian.
11-24-2009, 09:10 PM
I would be if Franklin Gutierrez won a GG.

:pity:

ShockerArt
11-24-2009, 09:20 PM
I would be if Franklin Gutierrez won a GG.

:pity:

Agreed. I can't believe he didn't win one.

They got the Cy Youngs and MVPs right. ROYs are really difficult because you're comparing all positions and a lot of the candidates don't play the full season.

dtmagnet
11-24-2009, 09:24 PM
I would have liked Aaron Hill to win the gold glove for second base, but we got two silver sluggers so I'm ok with it.

d79cheese
11-24-2009, 09:30 PM
this thread should have been titled "are non cardinal fans satisfied with the awards"

MelanconMadness
11-24-2009, 09:31 PM
Mvp, cy young, Roy

All satisfied me. Joe girardi should have won MOY, regardless of payroll because they didn't win 103 games, they didn't go to the playoffs, or they didn't win the world series last year with a higher payroll

They also made a few mistakes with the GG

MooseWithFleas
11-24-2009, 09:36 PM
I would be if Franklin Gutierrez and Chase Utley won GGs.

:pity:

Fixed to pertain to how I feel.

Ian.
11-24-2009, 10:08 PM
Fixed to pertain to how I feel.

Sorry. I was so blinded by rage that I missed the Utley snub.

mark1125
11-24-2009, 10:08 PM
Gold Glove awards are a joke anyways, so I don't even consider those.

As for the real awards, they were all appropriate. No complaints on any of them.

Ian.
11-24-2009, 10:10 PM
Gold Glove awards are a joke anyways, so I don't even consider those.

As for the real awards, they were all appropriate. No complaints on any of them.

I don't care if they're "real" or not. I want the most deserving to win them.

MooseWithFleas
11-24-2009, 10:21 PM
Gold Glove awards are a joke anyways, so I don't even consider those.

As for the real awards, they were all appropriate. No complaints on any of them.

They are a joke, but unfortunately for many of the uneducated public, they still hold weight in their eyes.

natepro
11-24-2009, 10:29 PM
Yeah, outside of the Gold Gloves, they did a pretty good job. Surprisingly.

donnie23
11-24-2009, 10:32 PM
Don't like AL ROY all the rest were fine.

Zmaster52
11-24-2009, 10:33 PM
really? Bailey had a fantastic year and a better one then many other rookies

SB75
11-24-2009, 10:34 PM
As far as MVP's and Cy's the deserving got them.

long ball
11-24-2009, 10:50 PM
I like all 6 of those. Bailey probably wouldn't have been my absolute first choice, but he's certainly not a bad one.

odiz
11-24-2009, 11:41 PM
I think Mccutchen and Andrus should have won the ROYs but Coghlan and Bailey aren't the worst picks. MVPs and Cys were right.

1903
11-24-2009, 11:49 PM
Happy? Hell no. Jeter should have won the AL and NL MVP, give him the MLB MVP.

Ian.
11-25-2009, 12:19 AM
really? Bailey had a fantastic year and a better one then many other rookies

It's probably because K's are overrated....

:laugh2:

Cheezombie
11-25-2009, 12:26 AM
It's probably because K's are overrated....

:laugh2:

huh?

sofargone
11-25-2009, 12:28 AM
from what youve listed i agree with the voters decisions, but i disagree with the gold glove voting...as usual

infernoscurse
11-25-2009, 12:34 AM
Happy? Hell no. Jeter should have won the AL and NL MVP, give him the MLB MVP.

and the cy young, i wonder what voters where thinking he clearly had a unbelievable 0.00 ERA and 90 k's comming out of the SS thats pretty good pitching stats

Ian.
11-25-2009, 12:36 AM
huh?

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=428716&page=8

Cheezombie
11-25-2009, 01:11 AM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=428716&page=8

Oh definitely I think a BB rate is more important than a K rate. But to act like Bailey wasn't a top 5 reliever in baseball is comedy.

Zaunnie
11-25-2009, 01:13 AM
I'm unhappy aboot Hanson being snubbed. That's aboot it.

Ian.
11-25-2009, 01:57 AM
Oh definitely I think a BB rate is more important than a K rate. But to act like Bailey wasn't a top 5 reliever in baseball is comedy.

Your lack of understanding of sarcasm is comedy.

Cheezombie
11-25-2009, 01:58 AM
Your lack of understanding of sarcasm is comedy.

No I understand sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is not so good through the innernettes though :(

mdlr52192
11-25-2009, 01:59 AM
minus gold gloves yeah they were fine....the O-Dog should be nowhere near a Gold Glove anymore

Ian.
11-25-2009, 02:05 AM
No I understand sarcasm. My sarcasm meter is not so good through the innernettes though :(

I forgive you.

ManRam
11-25-2009, 11:29 AM
They got all the big awards right.

Mell413
11-25-2009, 12:12 PM
I think McCutchen should have won the NL ROY

yankswin27
11-25-2009, 12:31 PM
I think this year they picked all the right people for every award (besides a few people getting snubbed in the GG voting). How in the world did Jones win a GG over Gutierrez? From what I saw this year (and based on his fielding stats), Franklin Gutierrez was the best defensive outfielder of the year. To give it to Adam Jones is just ridiculous. As for the NL, they screwed up on the 2B voting. Orlando Hudson has always been a very good defender, but you have to remember that he missed quite a few games this year. The winner should've been Chase Utley by a landslide, not even close.

Besides those two, the voters did fairly well I thought.

Telios9
11-25-2009, 12:40 PM
alroy how did Gordon not even make the top five in voting what the hell

sleepercell3
11-25-2009, 12:41 PM
everything except pitching i hate that the two Cy young's only have like 30 wins added together

Tone091
11-25-2009, 12:48 PM
I think this year they picked all the right people for every award (besides a few people getting snubbed in the GG voting). How in the world did Jones win a GG over Gutierrez? From what I saw this year (and based on his fielding stats), Franklin Gutierrez was the best defensive outfielder of the year. To give it to Adam Jones is just ridiculous. As for the NL, they screwed up on the 2B voting. Orlando Hudson has always been a very good defender, but you have to remember that he missed quite a few games this year. The winner should've been Chase Utley by a landslide, not even close.

Besides those two, the voters did fairly well I thought.

People really need to watch Adam Jones play, Gutierrez is a great OF but so is Adam. The only reason people are upset is because the M's front office got fleeced for him by the O's and this is the only way they have to defend the trade. In addition, if he were a Redsox or Yankee all would be well and there would be a 13 page debate over it.

Plus, the M's already had Ichiro who you know is going to get one automatically, which could be debated. Look at Nick Markakis for example.

Ohh, BTW I think they got the other awards correct also.

poodski
11-25-2009, 12:48 PM
NL ROY was wrong, but other than that and the GG's not terrible.

Ian.
11-25-2009, 01:18 PM
everything except pitching i hate that the two Cy young's only have like 30 wins added together


Scott Feldman had 17 wins...Oh, I forgot.....Wins are for stupid people.

Double_R
11-25-2009, 01:20 PM
The gold gloves were a joke

yankswin27
11-25-2009, 05:29 PM
alroy how did Gordon not even make the top five in voting what the hell

Are you kidding me, Beckham didn't make the top 5? That's unbelievable. To be honest, you can't really go wrong with any of those guys (Andrus, Bailey, Beckham, Porcello, etc.)

dodgersuck
11-25-2009, 06:03 PM
Timmy reclaimed his title as one of the two best pitchers in baseball so I'm happy

dodgersuck
11-25-2009, 06:03 PM
I think McCutchen should have won the NL ROY

Can't argue with that

koldjerky
11-25-2009, 07:19 PM
Honestly, they could have ****ed up every award outside of Greinke's Cy Young and I still would've been happy. This guy deserved it more than anyone in either league. With his low win total he defeated the most ridiculous voter odds.

CityofTreez
11-25-2009, 09:59 PM
The gold gloves were a joke

:clap::clap: for Chase Utley & Franklin Gutierrez

I agree with the Cy-Young, MVP's & ROY

mark10
11-25-2009, 10:42 PM
i ok with roy award

Ty Fast
11-26-2009, 12:58 AM
the only one i disagree with is the a.l manager of the year. the guy minny should have won, but the others were what i predictied

ritz
11-26-2009, 10:22 AM
Utley was robbed big time.

NCBoSoxfan21
11-26-2009, 12:55 PM
Mvp, cy young, Roy

All satisfied me. Joe girardi should have won MOY, regardless of payroll because they didn't win 103 games, they didn't go to the playoffs, or they didn't win the world series last year with a higher payroll

They also made a few mistakes with the GG

Girardi's first year as skipper: don't make playoffs.
Girardi's second year as skipper: Yankees buy three new players for a combined almost half a billion dollars and the Yankees win the WS

Yes that was Girardi's master managing skill that allowed that. Go away homer.

bartoron
11-26-2009, 02:47 PM
I wanted J.A. Happ to win NL Rookie of the Year, but other than that they're all good.

Gold Gloves, on the other hand, have always been and will continue to be a ****ing joke.

crewster735
11-26-2009, 03:33 PM
i think they got everything right. what actually upset the most was the NL MVP voting. Im not cutting albert down, they got it right. but the fact that Prince Fielder placed 4th place behind Hanley Ramirez(im ok with that for the most part) and Ryan Howard... really? Ryan Howard in front of Fielder?

Howard is a good player, in a stacked lineup. Fielder had much better numbers in a much worse lineup.

Keep in mind i think Albert deserved the award. but there was no love for Fielder this year. that upset me

dwright3b5
11-26-2009, 05:04 PM
I dont find anything wrong with the Cy young's and MVP's. But I dont know too much about the ROY players since I didn't follow baseball too much this year with the Mets sucking lol

bartoron
11-26-2009, 07:40 PM
i think they got everything right. what actually upset the most was the NL MVP voting. Im not cutting albert down, they got it right. but the fact that Prince Fielder placed 4th place behind Hanley Ramirez(im ok with that for the most part) and Ryan Howard... really? Ryan Howard in front of Fielder?

Howard is a good player, in a stacked lineup. Fielder had much better numbers in a much worse lineup.

Keep in mind i think Albert deserved the award. but there was no love for Fielder this year. that upset me

Prince Fielder should have been ahead of Ryan Howard.

1908_Cubs
11-26-2009, 08:07 PM
NL ROY was a joke. He had two good months. Last I checked, it's not Rookie of the Month, it's Rookie of the Year. McCutchen, Wells and Happ all should have finished ahead, Hanson as well.

Yes Coghlan was strong down in Aug and September. However, his BABIP was a very high .366 and his defense was pretty terrible (-11 UZR out in LF). I am really not expecting anything like that again.

Jimmy Shine
11-26-2009, 09:32 PM
Girardi's first year as skipper: don't make playoffs.
Girardi's second year as skipper: Yankees buy three new players for a combined almost half a billion dollars and the Yankees win the WS

Yes that was Girardi's master managing skill that allowed that. Go away homer.

Well stated. :clap:

(Im not a Sox fan, BTW)

Zmaster52
11-26-2009, 09:54 PM
NL ROY was a joke. He had two good months. Last I checked, it's not Rookie of the Month, it's Rookie of the Year. McCutchen, Wells and Happ all should have finished ahead, Hanson as well.

Yes Coghlan was strong down in Aug and September. However, his BABIP was a very high .366 and his defense was pretty terrible (-11 UZR out in LF). I am really not expecting anything like that again.

yeah, its not rookie of the month, its rookie of the year, and coghlan had a fantastic year all around

Mell413
11-26-2009, 10:52 PM
yeah, its not rookie of the month, its rookie of the year, and coghlan had a fantastic year all around

He did only have 2 good months and he was extremely lucky in those 2 months also. His BABIP was .425 for the last two months. He was crap the previous 3 months.

MDfootball36
11-27-2009, 01:08 AM
yanks won, thats all i care about

1908_Cubs
11-27-2009, 04:02 AM
yeah, its not rookie of the month, its rookie of the year, and coghlan had a fantastic year all around

Yeah dude, the -11 UZR and the sub 700 OPS pre-ASB were so fantastic. My bad. You're right. He was fantastic all year round. Man, I'm an idiot! Whatever was I thinking.....

Oh wait a second....year round mean pre-ASB counts as well. And sub .700 OPS sucks balls. Whoopsie. Guess I messed up there. I was right all along! Go figure!

todu82
11-27-2009, 09:33 AM
I agree with all the award choices.

Zmaster52
11-27-2009, 10:05 AM
Yeah dude, the -11 UZR and the sub 700 OPS pre-ASB were so fantastic. My bad. You're right. He was fantastic all year round. Man, I'm an idiot! Whatever was I thinking.....

Oh wait a second....year round mean pre-ASB counts as well. And sub .700 OPS sucks balls. Whoopsie. Guess I messed up there. I was right all along! Go figure!

-_- look at his full season, he hit .321 everyone has crappy months, he had the highest average for all rookies, how is that not deserving?

Ian.
11-27-2009, 11:07 AM
-_- look at his full season, he hit .321 everyone has crappy months, he had the highest average for all rookies, how is that not deserving?


.321 average. .390 OBP. Both good.

He has a career .321 minor league BABIP in six seasons so don't expect him to be a .321 career hitter, but he should be better than .305.

He was had a horrific season in the outfield that brought his value down a significant amount. If he could play decent defense, I'd have no issue with him winning the award.

Coghlan WAR: 2.3

Tommy Hanson WAR: 2.6
Happ WAR: 1.8
McCutchen WAR: 3.4
McGehee WAR: 2.2
Randy Wells WAR: 3.0
Garrett Jones WAR: 2.6

Two players in the top seven were less valuable than Coghlan.

THAT is how it isn't deserving. I forgot a high average means everything in baseball.

SJ5382
11-27-2009, 11:16 AM
GG's are a joke. I don't even consider them legit awards...

The rest look pretty good. Hanson and Happ may have deserved NL ROY.

Ian.
11-27-2009, 11:45 AM
GG's are a joke. I don't even consider them legit awards...

The rest look pretty good. Hanson and Happ may have deserved NL ROY.

Happ absolutely did not.

1908_Cubs
11-27-2009, 01:21 PM
Happ absolutely did not.

More than Coghlan? Yeah, Happ did. McCutchen, Wells, Happ and Hanson all were more deserving. Happ would have actually been the one I voted for last out of all of them, but he was more deserving than the winner. I'm really anti-Chris Coghlan.

1908_Cubs
11-27-2009, 01:24 PM
-_- look at his full season, he hit .321 everyone has crappy months, he had the highest average for all rookies, how is that not deserving?

My god. You don't get it do you? You're not understanding that a full season's numbers can be highly effected from two months, do you? Because before his miracle two months that were amazingly lucky according to his BABIP numbers - he wasn't anywhere close to deserving. The rest of the year he was not good. Thus, no, his full season was not good. Ugh.

I've explained this to you twice prior to this. Now a second person is explaining it to you for a third time. If you don't get it by now...then really, I give up.

donnie23
11-27-2009, 01:27 PM
It's probably because K's are overrated....

:laugh2:

Exactly! No seriously Andrus and Beckham were everyday players, and Bailey pitched roughly an inning a series.

d79cheese
11-27-2009, 05:05 PM
More than Coghlan? Yeah, Happ did. McCutchen, Wells, Happ and Hanson all were more deserving. Happ would have actually been the one I voted for last out of all of them, but he was more deserving than the winner. I'm really anti-Chris Coghlan.


just like couglhan and his "lucky" babip, happ was also quite lucky this year. his FIP was 4.33, creating the worse difference between someone's ERA and FIP (-1.40)

1908_Cubs
11-27-2009, 07:19 PM
just like couglhan and his "lucky" babip, happ was also quite lucky this year. his FIP was 4.33, creating the worse difference between someone's ERA and FIP (-1.40)

I never said he didn't. Re-read my post. Only that I'd have gone with Happ over Coglhan. That's the only point I was personally making. Not that I think Happ should have won anything, because, well, he shouldn't. But I'd have voted Happ over Coggy.

sofargone
11-27-2009, 07:26 PM
I never said he didn't. Re-read my post. Only that I'd have gone with Happ over Coglhan. That's the only point I was personally making. Not that I think Happ should have won anything, because, well, he shouldn't. But I'd have voted Happ over Coggy.

i love your sig

ZHAKIDD532
11-27-2009, 08:00 PM
I don't get either ROY pick. The Cy Youngs and MVPs are probably what I would've picked as well. And obviously Gold Gloves are given to good offensive players who were OK on defense.