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Fresno
11-17-2009, 07:28 PM
Monta Ellis' status with the Warriors could be determined when his agent meets with team management on Thursday, and the result could be a trade.

Multiple sources say that the Warriors, at coach Don Nelson's urging, have contacted other teams about trading Ellis, and it now appears likely that formal trade talks could come to fruition Thursday. Ellis and Nelson's relationship has nearly completely deteriorated, with Nelson telling Ellis, who was addressing the team in an attempt to be a leader, to 'be quiet' being the final straw. The Warriors will have just seven healthy players for Tuesday night, meaning almost all of them are worth holding right now.

Rotoworld

GoatMilk
11-17-2009, 07:34 PM
utah?

naw, Monta is too black :p

abe_froman
11-17-2009, 07:37 PM
bulls? lol

Verbal Christ
11-17-2009, 07:39 PM
the magic need a PG

bahama0811
11-17-2009, 07:41 PM
Knicks...

GoatMilk
11-17-2009, 07:41 PM
the magic need a PG

not THAT bad

they'll be fine with JWill and AJ til Nelson gets back

*Superman*
11-17-2009, 07:41 PM
I wish the Magic got him, no way though, we would have to give Meer, because his contract is way to big. Wow Warriors looking to rebuild. And they need to fire Nelson.

jimbobjarree
11-17-2009, 07:42 PM
a d will and monta backcourt :drool:

Fresno
11-17-2009, 07:46 PM
a d will and monta backcourt :drool:

Opposing guards will be drooling knowing how easy it will be to pick that backcourt apart on offense.

:)

HoopsDrive
11-17-2009, 07:47 PM
Warriors and Hornets imploding in 1.5 years... holy ****

Watch Knicks grab this sucka

zambo4president
11-17-2009, 07:49 PM
An Ellis and Rose backcourt would be ridiculously fast. So many steals.

Mavrix
11-17-2009, 07:49 PM
Josh Howard (expiring) Barea (expiring) for Ellis and Turiaf

Fresno
11-17-2009, 07:49 PM
Monta to Minnesota. Book It.

Flynn
Ellis
Gomes
Love
Jefferson

m26555
11-17-2009, 07:50 PM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

cmellofan15
11-17-2009, 07:51 PM
Raymond Felton and Monta in the backcourt?

*Superman*
11-17-2009, 07:54 PM
What about this. To the Pacers for TJ Ford and Rush?

GS gets an expiring

aman_13
11-17-2009, 07:55 PM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

I agree.

Fresno
11-17-2009, 07:55 PM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

Because the new GM is Don Nelson's close friend.

And Monta Ellis has proven in the past that he is an idiot, same goes for S-Jax.

Do you see Nelson clashing with Morrow? Watson? Azubuike? Maggette? Curry?

Getting rid of the problem players will make the Warriors better as a team.

Toenail Clipper
11-17-2009, 07:57 PM
Monta Ellis for Marcus Camby, sounds like the best deal in town. lmaooo

HoopsDrive
11-17-2009, 07:58 PM
Like half the teams have already been mentioned here that would look good with Ellis iin so wth:

Calderon
Ellis
Turk
Bosh
Barg

what54!?
11-17-2009, 08:00 PM
Nelson is running GS to the ground. Sad. Lose yet another good player and won't play the ones he has

LT.CARDWISIE
11-17-2009, 08:00 PM
Sixers need a scorer

TheKing23
11-17-2009, 08:02 PM
Come to Cleveland and win a ring for the king...

PG: Mo Williams
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: LeBron James
PF: Anderson Varejao
C: Shaquille O'Neal

Maybe this is why Ferry didn't pull the trigger on the Jackson deal... Knowing if he waited he might be able to cherry pick Monta for Big Z/Delonte, Hickson and a pick or two.

J4KOP99
11-17-2009, 08:02 PM
Ellis is a player you can build around. Golden State is ****ing themselves over with this one.


When it is so clear that the team HAS to trade a certain player, it is hard to get good value because the rest of the league knows GS's desperate.


Wherever Ellis goes, he will make a huge splash.

Wisdom Listens
11-17-2009, 08:02 PM
Monta to Minnesota. Book It.

Flynn
Ellis
Gomes
Love
Jefferson

That's one hell of an undersized backcourt. It could work though. If it does happen get ready for 30 threads talking about how obsessed the Wolves are with PG's.

Kakaroach
11-17-2009, 08:02 PM
Fire Nelson, don't trade away Ellis. Anywho, any team that can offer the Warriors expirings and picks will get him.

Kdirt
11-17-2009, 08:05 PM
Ellis is a player you can build around. Golden State is ****ing themselves over with this one.


When it is so clear that the team HAS to trade a certain player, it is hard to get good value because the rest of the league knows GS's desperate.


Wherever Ellis goes, he will make a huge splash.

You cant build around a guy thats barely 6'3 in pumps as a SG, has almost zero PG skills because of a low basketball IQ, and relies on his speed too much. I'll take a young player and an expiring for him.

zambo4president
11-17-2009, 08:06 PM
It's funny that the Warriors 2 best players both just happened to be team cancers.

jim51990
11-17-2009, 08:07 PM
ray allen and jr giddens for monta and claxtion

ManRam
11-17-2009, 08:08 PM
He'd be a great fit in Chicago as a SG. I still think they are a scorer away from almost contending. Salmons is struggling...they need his scoring. Ellis would help a ton.

mavwar53
11-17-2009, 08:08 PM
Looks like fans of every team want him, hopefully GM's feel the same way

Kdirt
11-17-2009, 08:08 PM
ray allen and jr giddens for monta and claxtion

DEAL !!

2010 here we come.

Wisdom Listens
11-17-2009, 08:10 PM
ray allen and jr giddens for monta and claxtion

If the Celtics want to give up all hope of winning a championship this season, that trade would be perfect. And who the hell is Claxtion?

J4KOP99
11-17-2009, 08:10 PM
DEAL !!

2010 here we come.

This is an honest question. What do you guys have other than Monta Ellis. I know some guys have potential, but other than Ellis, there isn't much on that Warriors roster.


Are Warriors fans alright with rebuilding right now?

Kdirt
11-17-2009, 08:13 PM
This is an honest question. What do you guys have other than Monta Ellis. I know some guys have potential, but other than Ellis, there isn't much on that Warriors roster.


Are Warriors fans alright with rebuilding right now?

Stephen Curry? Anthony Randolph? Andris Biedrins?

All excellent assets for any team to have. We almost got Amare for Beans. And everyone who knows basketball knows what Randolph is going to become.

ManRam
11-17-2009, 08:14 PM
He's starting tonight. If it was really incredibly imminent, and if the team was fed up with him...I feel like they'd bench him. Hmm...

HT9Canada
11-17-2009, 08:14 PM
I could see Philly trading for him. Ellis and Iguodala backcourt.

Kdirt
11-17-2009, 08:15 PM
^^ Yes, I want to rebuild. Some dont. I realize we dont have a great team, but we have young talent. Id rather get expirings and go hard for 2010 free agents and get a high draft pick.

ManRam
11-17-2009, 08:15 PM
Stephen Curry? Anthony Randolph? Andris Biedrins?

All excellent assets for any team to have. We almost got Amare for Beans. And everyone who knows basketball knows what Randolph is going to become.

Exactly. All are potential still mainly (maybe not Biedrins). The Warriors don't have many players besides Ellis that have reached their potential...aka ready to win. Too much potential...not enough good actual players.

arkanian215
11-17-2009, 08:18 PM
you sixers need guys who shoot threes.

nyanks79
11-17-2009, 08:24 PM
Big Z and 1st. Z expires and he hasnt worked to well with Shaq, and the Cavs get a SG and another scorer.

HoopsDrive
11-17-2009, 08:26 PM
^OH MAN, the Cavs are gonna wet themselves if the Warriors bite on that

blackjack_119
11-17-2009, 08:28 PM
Three team trade:

Chicago Receives
Monta Ellis ($11M)

Portland Receives
Kirk Hinrich ($9.5M)

Golden State Receives
Andre Miller ($6.5M)
Jerryd Bayless ($2.1M)

The deal would have to wait for four weeks (the earliest that Portland can trade Miller) but every team involved would be happy:

Chicago gets a great young SG to put next to Derrick Rose who's salary doesn't impact the 2010 Free Agency because they are trading away Kirk Hinrich.

Portland gets a PG who is better suited to play next to Brandon Roy

GS gets the up-tempo, high bbiq, veteran PG who can actually run Nellie Ball effectively and a 21 year old Bayless who is the prototypical Don Nelson player (although he has a nasty habit of playing defense which Nelson will have to rid him of.)

Kdirt
11-17-2009, 08:30 PM
Big Z and 1st. Z expires and he hasnt worked to well with Shaq, and the Cavs get a SG and another scorer.

i would take that.

HoopsDrive
11-17-2009, 08:33 PM
^^Bulls are gonna be so happy if that trade happens

Kind of makes sense, although GS is not getting enough value for Ellis, but then again, with the way they been handling things lately can't doubt anything.

mp3
11-17-2009, 08:36 PM
i can see ellis going to the nuggets for some reason. maybe ellis for jr smith.
billups
ellis
melo
martin
nene
pretty dam good

B.JenningsMVP
11-17-2009, 08:40 PM
FIRE NELSON ALREADY omg... Monta's d0pe hahahahha

asandhu23
11-17-2009, 08:41 PM
:sad2:

HoopsDrive
11-17-2009, 08:42 PM
^lol nice sig haha

Toenail Clipper
11-17-2009, 08:43 PM
Baron Davis for Monta Ellis and Anthony Morrow, that will resurrect the team

bigsams50
11-17-2009, 08:45 PM
He could work in cleveland. Him Lebron Mo Shaq

HouRealCoach
11-17-2009, 08:55 PM
Monta needs to be on a team with a good PG in a running system....

Stunner
11-17-2009, 08:55 PM
Three team trade:

Chicago Receives
Monta Ellis ($11M)

Portland Receives
Kirk Hinrich ($9.5M)

Golden State Receives
Andre Miller ($6.5M)
Jerryd Bayless ($2.1M)

The deal would have to wait for four weeks (the earliest that Portland can trade Miller) but every team involved would be happy:

Chicago gets a great young SG to put next to Derrick Rose who's salary doesn't impact the 2010 Free Agency because they are trading away Kirk Hinrich.

Portland gets a PG who is better suited to play next to Brandon Roy

GS gets the up-tempo, high bbiq, veteran PG who can actually run Nellie Ball effectively and a 21 year old Bayless who is the prototypical Don Nelson player (although he has a nasty habit of playing defense which Nelson will have to rid him of.)

where do i sign

Cain18
11-17-2009, 09:03 PM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

its because the owners and front office are stupid, and all of the fans over here hate it, but we cant do crap, we just keep wishing to hear that larry ellison will make a better offer on the team..... other than that, the warriors are going to fall apart

kikeyanez
11-17-2009, 09:04 PM
^^ Yes, I want to rebuild. Some dont. I realize we dont have a great team, but we have young talent. Id rather get expirings and go hard for 2010 free agents and get a high draft pick.


if they trade monta they better throw in bietrus or maggettes contract in there too!

asandhu23
11-17-2009, 09:05 PM
if they trade monta they better throw in bietrus or maggettes contract in there too!

:confused: Andris Biedrins and Mickael Pietrus have a son?

asmarks18
11-17-2009, 09:06 PM
Monta needs to be on a team with a good PG in a running system....

Howard and Barea for Ellis and Turiaf. A 2nd rounder or two could be thrown in if possible. Kidd could teach him a few things on how to run the point and Ellis would be his future replacement. Plus this would help the Mavs greatly on defense. Kidd can still play some smart defense with some steals and defensive rebounds but we do need someone to guard the young and quick PG's and Ellis fits that role.

PG: Kidd/ Beaubois/ Ellis
SG: Ellis/ Jet/ Ross/ Carroll
SF: Matrix/ Thomas/ Singleton
PF: Dirk/ Humphries
C: Damp/ Gooden/ Turiaf

I would love for our lineup to look like that but I bet there is little to no chance we do the trade. Cuban is too attached to his players. Makes sense for both teams but wishful thinking I suppose.

J4KOP99
11-17-2009, 09:06 PM
Stephen Curry? Anthony Randolph? Andris Biedrins?

All excellent assets for any team to have. We almost got Amare for Beans. And everyone who knows basketball knows what Randolph is going to become.

Stephen Curry has proven nothing.


The other 2 are big men. If you are going to be a good team, you will need a good guard who can penetrate, and score. Can't win with just big men, especially two young ones.

goldenstater
11-17-2009, 09:10 PM
Baron Davis for Monta Ellis and Anthony Morrow, that will resurrect the team

you think you would get monta and morrow for baron:facepalm: get real!

Cash
11-17-2009, 09:12 PM
Kirk Hinrich and Jerome James for Monta.

Bulls get a great scoring SG, something they are currently lacking(also sends the struggling Salmons to the bench) and the Warriors get a very solid PG/SG that can be a great team leader and will show the Warriors what the word defense means. GS also gets a 6M expiring in James while the Bulls lose about 2M in next years FA.

Bishnoff
11-17-2009, 09:13 PM
Nelly :facepalm:

FOBolous
11-17-2009, 09:19 PM
come to Houston :) all we lack is a consistent scorer

AI4MVP
11-17-2009, 09:19 PM
Three team trade:

Chicago Receives
Monta Ellis ($11M)

Portland Receives
Kirk Hinrich ($9.5M)

Golden State Receives
Andre Miller ($6.5M)
Jerryd Bayless ($2.1M)

The deal would have to wait for four weeks (the earliest that Portland can trade Miller) but every team involved would be happy:

Chicago gets a great young SG to put next to Derrick Rose who's salary doesn't impact the 2010 Free Agency because they are trading away Kirk Hinrich.

Portland gets a PG who is better suited to play next to Brandon Roy

GS gets the up-tempo, high bbiq, veteran PG who can actually run Nellie Ball effectively and a 21 year old Bayless who is the prototypical Don Nelson player (although he has a nasty habit of playing defense which Nelson will have to rid him of.)


so all chicago gives up is kirk hinrich and they get monta ellis?! fail

and portland gives up andre miller and jarred bayless and they get kirk hinrich? almost a bigger fail

ko8e24
11-17-2009, 09:21 PM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.


he just wants his 21 wins to surpass Lenny Wilkens, and the owner is ******** not to understand this.

ko8e24
11-17-2009, 09:22 PM
oh, and Farmar + Ammo for Ellis

Do it Mitch!

Lakerfrk
11-17-2009, 09:27 PM
obviously the best deal for the Warriors is

Monta for Farmar/Vujacic/Walton...... DUH!


(Im obviously joking)

Clutch6
11-17-2009, 09:30 PM
Monta for Elton Brand!!!

AI4MVP
11-17-2009, 09:38 PM
all i know is that the warriors can get alot for monta. hes awsome

Raps18-19 Champ
11-17-2009, 09:39 PM
Ilgauskas and West for Ellis and filler.

C-Shaq, Varejao
PF-Hickson, Powe
SF-James, Moon
SG-Ellis, Parker
PG-Williams, Gibson

Cash
11-17-2009, 09:43 PM
all i know is that the warriors can get alot for monta. hes awsome

He is being a bigger D Bag than Jackson was. If the best you could get out of that deal was Raja Bell, Monta isn't going to get you a whole lot more.

AI4MVP
11-17-2009, 09:52 PM
theres no denying his talent tho.

everyone keeps comparing brandon jennings to allen iverson. its not even close. jennnigs is far to good of a passer and not selfish enough to be compared to AI

Monta Ellis is the perfect comparison to ALlen Iverson in this league. He can pretty much get to the hole anytime he wants to, and his jumper is getting pretty consistent. hes also been shooting the three point ball extremely well.

Monta Ellis=undersized shooting guard that can score at will but is a defensive liability at times=Allen Iverson

Fresno
11-17-2009, 09:53 PM
I guess people also have forgotten Ellis is owed $55 Million over the next 5 seasons.

Regardless thats a lot of money for an unproven player who's FG% has gone down by 10% in the last 2 seasons.

Fresno
11-17-2009, 09:57 PM
theres no denying his talent tho.

everyone keeps comparing brandon jennings to allen iverson. its not even close. jennnigs is far to good of a passer and not selfish enough to be compared to AI

Monta Ellis is the perfect comparison to ALlen Iverson in this league. He can pretty much get to the hole anytime he wants to, and his jumper is getting pretty consistent. hes also been shooting the three point ball extremely well.

Monta Ellis=undersized shooting guard that can score at will but is a defensive liability at times=Allen Iverson
:facepalm:x100

Im guessing you're under 13 and only saw Iverson during his final few years in Philly and then with Denver.

Because Monta Ellis is not even in the same realm of prime Allen Iverson, Iverson at 24 was the most unstoppable guard in the NBA.

Taking 8 shots from 3 this season doesn't make anyone a good shooter.

Jennings is not a better passer than prime Iverson.

AI4MVP
11-17-2009, 09:58 PM
if rondo is gettin pid 55 mill then so should monta

AI4MVP
11-17-2009, 09:59 PM
x100

Im guessing you're under 13 and only saw Iverson during his final few years in Philly and then with Denver.

Because Monta Ellis is not even in the same realm of prime Allen Iverson, Iverson at 24 was the most unstoppable guard in the NBA.

Taking 8 shots from 3 this season doesn't make anyone a good shooter.

Jennings is not a better passer than prime Iverson.

ok ****** as u can see by my fukin sig im a huge AI fan and know what he did in philly. im talking about right now.

whether u want to believe it or not, Monta Ellis is a poor mans AI

and yes jennings is a better passer then even prime AI and if u havent noticed it yet then in time u will

asandhu23
11-17-2009, 10:05 PM
This era is over. i don't the fans are going to believe again for a long while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZeJDN0Ue00

JasonJohnHorn
11-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Seriously, I don't know why anybody would want Monta Ellis. His contract is huge, and he's not a strong ball handler, and not big enough to play shooting guard, and he's already showed he has a potentially toxic personality as he has contributed to the issues in Goldenstate, and last season broke his contract and got injured as a result. He's a great talent, and would be great coming off the bench for a team that has a secondary ball handler outside of the point guard, but a bench player is not worth a contract the size of Ellis's.

Big fish, little pond.

Giants-49ers-Ws
11-17-2009, 10:10 PM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

exactly as a warriors fan it is ****ing ********...nelson needs to go, ellis needs to stay..he's our best player

Cash
11-17-2009, 10:14 PM
theres no denying his talent tho.

everyone keeps comparing brandon jennings to allen iverson. its not even close. jennnigs is far to good of a passer and not selfish enough to be compared to AI

Monta Ellis is the perfect comparison to ALlen Iverson in this league. He can pretty much get to the hole anytime he wants to, and his jumper is getting pretty consistent. hes also been shooting the three point ball extremely well.

Monta Ellis=undersized shooting guard that can score at will but is a defensive liability at times=Allen Iverson

This isn't a video game. Talent is about 20% of a players evaluation. The other 80% is based off a players personality, character, and contract. No team is going to trade for Monta based purley off talent. Any team that tries to get him, is taking a risk of him breaking a teams chemistry and becoming a cancer of sort. The only thing that AI and Ellis have in common is height and attitude. Both believe the world is after them. He needs to go to a team with a established veteran leadership. Teams like Denver and Chicago have those type of teams, and they also are two teams that need a scoring SG, that isn't the main focus of the offense.

AI4MVP
11-17-2009, 10:17 PM
exactly as a warriors fan it is ****ing ********...nelson needs to go, ellis needs to stay..he's our best player

agreed.

Teeboy1487
11-17-2009, 10:21 PM
This era is over. i don't the fans are going to believe again for a long while.

Very sad sig man. That team was so fun to watch. I feel bad for all warrior fans.

AddiX
11-17-2009, 10:24 PM
I think Ellis is a great talent who will be a career loser.The guy has all the game in the world but I've yet to see him play winning ball. Not a chance the Knicks go after this scrub, we already had Marbury. And Ellis with all his talent still doesnt have the skills Marbs use to.

clutchski
11-17-2009, 10:46 PM
I'd love Ellis in Toronto, but damn our defense would be even worse...

SluggeR
11-17-2009, 10:47 PM
When was the last time nelson coached winning ball? I think the cavs will make a push for him.

shaq
hickson
bron
ellis
mo

AI4MVP
11-17-2009, 11:35 PM
if he gets traded to the cavs then the warriors could possibly become the worst team in the history of the nba. if he does get traded for the cavs, the warriors are obvioulsy not gunna get any great players back. prolly Z and a first round pick or something like that.

Mikki Moore
Vladamir Radmanovic
Anthony Morrow
Corey Maggetee
Stephen Curry

JnasD
11-17-2009, 11:57 PM
Come on Knicks

AI4MVP
11-18-2009, 12:13 AM
This is the trade that will happen and i believe is best for both teams:

Dallas Receives:
Monta Ellis

Golden State Receivies:
Josh Howard
2nd Round Pick

cantstopthee
11-18-2009, 12:16 AM
rip n stucky

dibacco59
11-18-2009, 12:16 AM
sixers are about to get dalembert (12 mil) off the books for kenny thomas and scalabrini . . . if that trade goes down i think we have a shot at ellis

lmaohahaha
11-18-2009, 12:23 AM
the magic need a PG

Plz do explain how in the world this guy would play PG and be productive in terms of winning and team/floor leadership. Not only is this guy a pure 2 guard, he's the complete opposite of a floor general

VCaintdead17
11-18-2009, 12:30 AM
I'd love to see him start at the 2 for the Pacers. A Granger-Ellis combo would be boss.

SirCarlton
11-18-2009, 12:41 AM
After Ellis scored 23 tonight, I was thinking...with all the warriors untapped talent, if he is traded do they average over/under 100ppg?

I vote yes but not by much.

zambo4president
11-18-2009, 12:43 AM
No. Who is gonna score? Raja?Morrow?They can't be the go to guy on a team.

SirCarlton
11-18-2009, 12:46 AM
i figure group effort from maggette curry morrow and randolph..plus biedrins once he gets back

The_Mac22
11-18-2009, 12:52 AM
Monta for Boozer.

ll_eric_ll
11-18-2009, 12:59 AM
Josh Howard for Monta Ellis is a pretty even trade......Dallas will receive a starting 2 with speed, and Golden State gets an "expiring" former allstar.

I think this would make Dallas a better team if this deal goes down,...but Howard's value is low right now, Dallas may have to sweeten the deal up with a 2nd round pick.

If Dallas really wants to get this deal done I would think they would have the first crack at it since the MAVS' GM is in tight with Don Nelson(His Son:D).

Dallas' Starting 5 if trade happens:

Kidd
Ellis
Marion
Dirk
Damp
:drool:

Kyben36
11-18-2009, 01:07 AM
Yes, The fact is, The Wariors a great at drafting players that can score, the problem is, Thats all the most of them can do.

Look at all these scorers

Morrow
Curry
Maggette
Randolph
Raja
Vlad

WITZ
11-18-2009, 01:08 AM
Depends who they get back, they do run'n'gun so it is possible.

HoopsDrive
11-18-2009, 01:09 AM
My bet is on over. Team full of players that can score and nothing else... they'll still be entertaining but not contend for anything.

Also, this depends on what they get for Ellis but in case they just get expirings, picks or unproven players than my bet is still on over.

montazingmvp
11-18-2009, 01:10 AM
^^ Yes, I want to rebuild. Some dont. I realize we dont have a great team, but we have young talent. Id rather get expirings and go hard for 2010 free agents and get a high draft pick.

rebuild? are you freaking ********? what do you think the warriors have been doing for the past 15 years...trying to rebuild...newsflash it isn't working. at some point you have to give the players on a team, atleast a year to prove what they can do. and try and build around a few players and see where it goes. as opposed to having a bad start to a season (possibly due to injuries) and then quickly without thought completely blowing up the team.

please man, rebuilding hasn't been working and it isn't going to start soon...

the only thing the warriors have been good at for the past 15 years, is giving up there best players and keeping the bad ones...maybe we should start doing the opposite...

phoenix_bladen
11-18-2009, 01:13 AM
rebuild? are you freaking ********? what do you think the warriors have been doing for the past 15 years...trying to rebuild...newsflash it isn't working. at some point you have to give the players on a team, atleast a year to prove what they can do. and try and build around a few players and see where it goes. as opposed to having a bad start to a season (possibly due to injuries) and then quickly without thought completely blowing up the team.

please man, rebuilding hasn't been working and it isn't going to start soon...

the only thing the warriors have been good at for the past 15 years, is giving up there best players and keeping the bad ones...maybe we should start doing the opposite...


warriors have a terrible management and so does the clippers

unless they get a new owner and management those teams will always suck

montazingmvp
11-18-2009, 01:17 AM
He is being a bigger D Bag than Jackson was. If the best you could get out of that deal was Raja Bell, Monta isn't going to get you a whole lot more.

how is he being a bigger dbag...? has he gone public with a trade request? no


all he's done is say he's frustrated that he lost his best friend on the team, stephen jackson? what is so dbaggish about that?

i swear do you have any clue what you are talking about

montazingmvp
11-18-2009, 01:19 AM
warriors have a terrible management and so does the clippers

unless they get a new owner and management those teams will always suck

well aware...the only way these teams get good if they get lucky with a #1 pick and choose correctly...

the clippers may have just done that...unfortunately for the warriors getting lucky never happens for them

Toenail Clipper
11-18-2009, 01:21 AM
warriors have a terrible management and so does the clippers

unless they get a new owner and management those teams will always suck

don't forget grizzlies too!

AI4MVP
11-18-2009, 01:28 AM
Josh Howard for Monta Ellis is a pretty even trade......Dallas will receive a starting 2 with speed, and Golden State gets an "expiring" former allstar.

I think this would make Dallas a better team if this deal goes down,...but Howard's value is low right now, Dallas may have to sweeten the deal up with a 2nd round pick.

If Dallas really wants to get this deal done I would think they would have the first crack at it since the MAVS' GM is in tight with Don Nelson(His Son).

Dallas' Starting 5 if trade happens:

Kidd
Ellis
Marion
Dirk
Damp


i already posted this trade idea in this thread

i think its a fabulous idea

kurivaimu
11-18-2009, 01:39 AM
I think the knicks would be a good fit for Ellis. They play a fast paced syle which suits Ellis, he'd be amazing in the D'Antoni system.
Maybe the numbers could match if you put in cancer Larry Hughes who also should have a big contract.
Though, this would meen that the knicks would loose some of the projected cap space for 2010, however, i think the NYK with ELLIS would be more attractive to big name free agents than the NYK with useless ***** (exlude nate, chandler, gallinari, lee from *****)

John408
11-18-2009, 01:39 AM
I wish the Magic got him, no way though, we would have to give Meer, because his contract is way to big. Wow Warriors looking to rebuild. And they need to fire Nelson.

The Warriors should trade Ellis for Rashard Lewis or Gortat....They would fit well with the Warriors...but I know they'd hate it there..lol

John408
11-18-2009, 01:41 AM
I think the knicks would be a good fit for Ellis. They play a fast paced syle which suits Ellis, he'd be amazing in the D'Antoni system.
Maybe the numbers could match if you put in cancer Larry Hughes who also should have a big contract.
Though, this would meen that the knicks would loose some of the projected cap space for 2010, however, i think the NYK with ELLIS would be more attractive to big name free agents than the NYK with useless ***** (exlude nate, chandler, gallinari, lee from *****)

Ellis for Lee straight up...or Ellis for Gallinari.

PHX2daDEATH
11-18-2009, 01:43 AM
I think the knicks would be a good fit for Ellis. They play a fast paced syle which suits Ellis, he'd be amazing in the D'Antoni system.
Maybe the numbers could match if you put in cancer Larry Hughes who also should have a big contract.
Though, this would meen that the knicks would loose some of the projected cap space for 2010, however, i think the NYK with ELLIS would be more attractive to big name free agents than the NYK with useless ***** (exlude nate, chandler, gallinari, lee from *****)



This makes the most sense

Ellis and Bell for Chandler, Curry and Jeffries..

John408
11-18-2009, 01:43 AM
rebuild? are you freaking ********? what do you think the warriors have been doing for the past 15 years...trying to rebuild...newsflash it isn't working. at some point you have to give the players on a team, atleast a year to prove what they can do. and try and build around a few players and see where it goes. as opposed to having a bad start to a season (possibly due to injuries) and then quickly without thought completely blowing up the team.

please man, rebuilding hasn't been working and it isn't going to start soon...

the only thing the warriors have been good at for the past 15 years, is giving up there best players and keeping the bad ones...maybe we should start doing the opposite...

LOL...you are absolutely correct.....this is a forever rebuilding organization...nuff said.

koreancabbage
11-18-2009, 02:05 AM
the poll is pretty ******** ROFL

theducksmuggler
11-18-2009, 02:09 AM
a 7 player trade for 2 rebuilding teams the 76ers and Warriors
76ers send:
Samuel Dalembert
Willie Green
Elton Brand
Warriors send
Monta Ellis\
Ronny Turiaf
Raja Bell
Speedy Claxton

It works wat u think haah it would bE CRAZZZZZZZY

Confusion
11-18-2009, 02:45 AM
the magic need a PGNot as bad as some teams though. :rolleyes:

Gnac76
11-18-2009, 02:59 AM
Dalembert and lou williams for monta and biendrins

The warriors do it cuz they just acquired vlad rads 6 mil contract which expires in 2011, turiaf's contract expires in 2011 and dalemberts contract expires in 2011... leaving them around 15-16 mil under the cap (even assuming its going down to 51-53 mil) allowing them to pursue a big name FA. Also they get lou williams who is like a poor mans monta ellis. The warriors arent gonna be making noise n e time soon so they might as well try to acquire expirings so they can sign impact FA's.

The sixers do it cuz there able to improve their team by acquiring a guy capable of efficiently playing C and a play maker in ellis.

Yes in principal dalembert and lou is a lopsided trade for monta and biendrins but when you consider how much cap room the warriors will have it doesn't seem as lopsided.

albertc86
11-18-2009, 03:00 AM
Man... Golden State can't do anything right. Why can't this franchise retain any talent? They always give it up or lose it.

asandhu23
11-18-2009, 03:17 AM
Man... Golden State can't do anything right. Why can't this franchise retain any talent? They always give it up or lose it.

our management sucks. Our coach doesn't give a ****. our owner loves money way too much to realize better win records would attract more people and better win records come with good investments in good players. thats pretty much it.

asandhu23
11-18-2009, 03:18 AM
the poll is pretty ******** ROFL

Warriors' management is ********.

xwashableclothx
11-18-2009, 03:25 AM
Michael Redd n Roko Ukic
For
Monta Ellis n Speed Claxton


Jennings and Ellis backcourt :cheer:

caseyv415
11-18-2009, 03:30 AM
I told everybody Monta is a cancer before the season even started. Ever since falling off his moped and getting a lifetime of ink over 1 summer the kids play has decreased and so has his commitment. Results are obvious.. In the Contra Costa Times today Monta was quoted saying "They traded our best scorer, now whos going to carry us, ME thats who!"
What a joker, get this azzhead off the squad right now :pray: Thank God!
Rebuilding never seemed so dire.
Josh Howard 4 Monta = ANYDAY!

AI4MVP
11-18-2009, 03:35 AM
Michael Redd n Roko Ukic
For
Monta Ellis n Speed Claxton


Jennings and Ellis backcourt

as long as he comes in knowing that this is jennings' team, then im down

Raph12
11-18-2009, 03:35 AM
The Warriors should trade Ellis for Rashard Lewis or Gortat....They would fit well with the Warriors...but I know they'd hate it there..lol

LMFAO at Monta for Rashard Lewis, he is on a completely different level and they wouldn't trade him for anyone on that GS roster.

AI4MVP
11-18-2009, 03:43 AM
LMFAO at Monta for Rashard Lewis, he is on a completely different level and they wouldn't trade him for anyone on that GS roster.

why does ur sig rep 5 different teams? not hating or anything just wondering.

thedfactor
11-18-2009, 04:04 AM
Monta needs to be on a team with a good PG in a running system....Jason Kidd and Dallas equals nice fit.


This is the trade that will happen and i believe is best for both teams:

Dallas Receives:
Monta Ellis

Golden State Receivies:
Josh Howard
2nd Round PickI like it. I would even add Barea to the deal.


why does ur sig rep 5 different teams? not hating or anything just wondering.Good question.

tredigs
11-18-2009, 04:07 AM
LMFAO at Monta for Rashard Lewis, he is on a completely different level and they wouldn't trade him for anyone on that GS roster.

Completely disagree. Do you realize how talented Monta is? If I had to choose one or the other, no strings attached, I'd take Monta. He's a 20/5/5 type player right now and he's on the up 'n up. Rashard is aging and who knows how much whatever juice he was taking was helping him.

But that deal actually could work for both teams, since Rashard could give a veteran presence and a big man who can shoot to that young run and gun offense. Magic would get an all star caliber 1/2 guard who can help them hold a top seed during their playoff push with Jameer Nelson out.

Don't think the deal will happen, because the Magic probably wouldn't disrespect Rashard like that, and especially afterhearing that Raja Bell is definitely having his surgery, but it's far from laughable.

Raph12
11-18-2009, 04:12 AM
why does ur sig rep 5 different teams? not hating or anything just wondering.

I'm a fan of the sport first and foremost, so basically if a team is good, I like to watch them play.

Idc if people want to label me a bandwagon fan, I won't be losing any sleep at night so w/e.

Raph12
11-18-2009, 04:29 AM
Completely disagree. Do you realize how talented Monta is? If I had to choose one or the other, no strings attached, I'd take Monta. He's a 20/5/5 type player right now and he's on the up 'n up. Rashard is aging and who knows how much whatever juice he was taking was helping him.

But that deal actually could work for both teams, since Rashard could give a veteran presence and a big man who can shoot to that young run and gun offense. Magic would get an all star caliber 1/2 guard who can help them hold a top seed during their playoff push with Jameer Nelson out.

Don't think the deal will happen, because the Magic probably wouldn't disrespect Rashard like that, and especially afterhearing that Raja Bell is definitely having his surgery, but it's far from laughable.

A 6'10" SF/PF with a shooting touch any guard would be envious of, a strong post game, great defense, versatility and in-the-gym range is much more rare than a run-and-gun PG who puts up 20-5-5 on a terrible team. If Lewis played for GS, he would put up 22-7-3-1-1 easy.

Plus, Orlando doesn't need another scorer, they need a point guard with great playmaking abilities, who can shoot lights out, while playing great defense, sort of like a Kirk Hinrich type of guy.

Trading a guy who has so much impact on a game with all the mismatches he can present, for a run-of-the-mill quick combo guard is quite laughable actually.

jmethlo
11-18-2009, 04:30 AM
No. Who is gonna score? Raja?Morrow?They can't be the go to guy on a team.

Raja Bell will be out for a while, he going to have surgery on his wrist next week...

tredigs
11-18-2009, 04:50 AM
A 6'10" SF/PF with a shooting touch any guard would be envious of, a strong post game, great defense, versatility and in-the-gym range is much more rare than a run-and-gun PG who puts up 20-5-5 on a terrible team. If Lewis played for GS, he would put up 22-7-3-1-1 easy.

Plus, Orlando doesn't need another scorer, they need a point guard with great playmaking abilities, who can shoot lights out, while playing great defense, sort of like a Kirk Hinrich type of guy.

Trading a guy who has so much impact on a game with all the mismatches he can present, for a run-of-the-mill quick combo guard is quite laughable actually.

You're right that Lewis' numbers would improve a bit, but Monta's would not take much of a dip if he was in an organization with a strong presence down low and other go to gaurds. His assists would increase, and so would his fg%. He's more than willing to pass, and he's good at it, he's just been one of the go-to guys so it makes sense for him to play the style he does.

It's funny to see you call Monta Ellis a "run of the mill combo guard" while jocking Kirk-F'n-Hinrich. Kirk is NOT a lights out shooter man, we're not in Kansas anymore. The guy is an overpriced college star who struggled to fully adapt to the pro game.

Again, not an ideal trade, but it's not baseless. Moving on.

abe_froman
11-18-2009, 05:14 AM
It's funny to see you call Monta Ellis a "run of the mill combo guard" while jocking Kirk-F'n-Hinrich. Kirk is NOT a lights out shooter man, we're not in Kansas anymore. The guy is an overpriced college star who struggled to fully adapt to the pro game.


really dont know much about him do you?

tredigs
11-18-2009, 05:35 AM
really dont know much about him do you?

I'm all ears...

tadmanny
11-18-2009, 05:47 AM
A 6'10" SF/PF with a shooting touch any guard would be envious of, a strong post game, great defense, versatility and in-the-gym range is much more rare than a run-and-gun PG who puts up 20-5-5 on a terrible team. If Lewis played for GS, he would put up 22-7-3-1-1 easy.

Plus, Orlando doesn't need another scorer, they need a point guard with great playmaking abilities, who can shoot lights out, while playing great defense, sort of like a Kirk Hinrich type of guy.

Trading a guy who has so much impact on a game with all the mismatches he can present, for a run-of-the-mill quick combo guard is quite laughable actually.


Knowing that you only "watch good teams play," I can see why you would think this because the Warriors are far from good. However, if I had to choose between the two, I would pick Monta. His quickness and athletic ability allow him to get to the rim whenever he pleases. He could honestly drive and make a layup on every play. He also has an excellent midrange game and has improved his three point shooting. If there's anything to hate about Lewis, it's that he is undersized for a PF in the West and has more of an outside game. For Monta, I would take Lewis, plus more. The kid is only 24 and he is THAT GOOD.

Giants-49ers-Ws
11-18-2009, 05:49 AM
I am seriously going to consider not rooting for the warriors if ellis is traded..when baron left; ellis was appointed face of the franchise...he needs to be that face as he is by far the best player on the roster...and curry and randolph are years away from being the same ttpe of impact player.....all the warriors have done for 15 years is **** around as they've made the playoffs once and in the meantime let star players go such as chris webber, antawn jamison, gilbert arenas.. as well as jason richardson, baron davis, stephen jackson and practically the whole entire rest of the "We Believe" team...this team is extremely frustrating as they are a constant revolving door, changing their face every season...they've had several years of poor drafting as well which is another reason why they've made the postseason once in 15 YEARS!!! when half the league makes it...keep monta, keep the young players, sell the team and wipe out everything else

caddiemaster
11-18-2009, 06:47 AM
Id say a bag of peanuts,,,1/2 eaten,would be fair!He sucks!Big mouth no game!I cant stand him,yeah buy him a motorcycle and let him drive it on highway 1 and its byyyyyeeeeeeeeee mooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnntttttttttttttttttttteeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!loser cant even ride a moped what a joke!

kikeyanez
11-18-2009, 06:49 AM
if i were the dubbs i'd trade monta ellis,brandon wright to the la clippers for marcus camby an blake griffin


this trade will give us 9 million more off the books this up coming offseason! we'll be around 29 million under the cap with a young core of talented yng players! imagne blake griffin,Ar4,morrow,curry,biedruis a top 5 pick in draft plus 29 million to play wit? hello!! if that cant convince a player like joe johnson,dwanye wade an yeah maybe even labron i dont know what can

davg31
11-18-2009, 07:06 AM
How many players on my fantasy team are going to get thrown around in trades! It almolst always hurts their value.

Trouble87
11-18-2009, 07:27 AM
Magic are going to pull the trigger on this I feel it

TheKing23
11-18-2009, 08:22 AM
if i were the dubbs i'd trade monta ellis,brandon wright to the la clippers for marcus camby an blake griffin


this trade will give us 9 million more off the books this up coming offseason! we'll be around 29 million under the cap with a young core of talented yng players! imagne blake griffin,Ar4,morrow,curry,biedruis a top 5 pick in draft plus 29 million to play wit? hello!! if that cant convince a player like joe johnson,dwanye wade an yeah maybe even labron i dont know what can

Who's labron?

Oh, and good luck with getting the Clippers to give up their franchise player...

kobebabe
11-18-2009, 09:57 AM
Who in the world gave Nelson permission to demand for prayers to be traded? How would they listen to him and not the players? Do that organization have a clue what they r doing? Its crazy what is going on down there.
If the worriors are that damn, we can exploit them and take Monta for Sasha and farmer...LOL!

Ill21
11-18-2009, 10:32 AM
Knicks get : Monte Ellis and 2010 1st round draft pick
Warriors get : eddy curry, Chris duhon and jarred jeffires

Jay22Redd
11-18-2009, 10:35 AM
Tmac/Dorsey/1stRounder for Monta/Biedrins

DenButsu
11-18-2009, 10:37 AM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

Man, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Sure, Ellis made a huge and badly irresponsible mistake.

But when we consider the (very) limited success that has been achieved in spite of the revolving door of talent that has waltzed through Golden State's gates (see what I did there?), to blame their star player instead of incompetent management and coaching is just beyond ridonkulous.

Lo Porto
11-18-2009, 11:03 AM
Ellis makes so much sense in Utah. Other than the racist "he's too white for Utah" stuff, he fits perfectly in terms of scheme. Deron has been best in his career playing next to a combo guard. His best days in college were playing next to Dee Brown. In Utah, his best days were playing next to Derek Fisher. Even at the Olympics, he excelled playing next to Kidd and Paul. Ellis and Deron would create tons of mismatches. Defensively, they'd have some work to do but SF actually gets better defending with Brewer switching from SG to SF since AK, Korver, & CJ have problems defending SF.

Utah should try to make a play at Ellis if they're smart. AK would be a nice fit in Nellie's offense, and Boozer could definitely be involved if GS put more on the table. The trade parts are there for both teams.

Could be: Ellis & Claxton for AK. OR Ellis & Turiaf for Boozer & expiring. OR Ellis, Turiaf, Claxton & George for Booz & AK.

LionBryan
11-18-2009, 11:21 AM
Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

I don't know, maybe because he's DON NELSON?

miller74
11-18-2009, 11:22 AM
Raptors
Calderon and O'Bryant for Ellis
salaries match the trade would work, would this be fair trade or would raps have to give more?

bryan_22221
11-18-2009, 11:54 AM
I don't know, maybe because he's DON NELSON?


Here's a question...

HOW HAS DON NELSON NOT BEEN CANNED YET?

The fact that the Warriors are seriously taking Nelson's side over an incredible young player like Ellis' is sickening.

Because Don Nelson, Larry Riley, Chris Cohan and Robert Rowell all the guys who run the warriors are BFF. Thats why Mullin was fired! Thats why Baron Davis is gone! Thats why SJax is gone (which I dont care by the way cause I hated that prick)! and thats why Ellis is probably gonna be gone. because if you have a problem with Don, you have a problem with the GM, the President, and the Owner cause they are all butt buddies! They will not fire Don Nelson, especially since he said when his contract is up he would work for free. the only way Don Nelson goes is if they sell the team and it doesnt look like thats gonna happen like we thought it might. The warriors are screwed!

TheKing23
11-18-2009, 11:58 AM
Knicks get : Monte Ellis and 2010 1st round draft pick
Warriors get : eddy curry, Chris duhon and jarred jeffires

:facepalm:

Why would Golden State take on the inflated contracts of Curry and Jeffries... Oh yeah, because of the deal clincher, Chris Duhon...

Throw in a top 10 pick and this deal stills favors the Warriors too much :facepalm:

The Warriors want expirings, young talent and picks to start a rebuilding process around Steph Curry, Anthony Randolph and Anthony Morrow.

Send him to Cleveland for Big Z/Delonte West and JJ Hickson and a 2010 first rounder... Makes more sense.

PG: Mo Williams
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: LeBron James
PF: Anderson Varejao
C: Shaquille O'Neal

mavwar53
11-18-2009, 12:13 PM
Raptors
Calderon and O'Bryant for Ellis
salaries match the trade would work, would this be fair trade or would raps have to give more?

He is not going to be dealt for a pure PG, that is what they drafted curry for

Are curry and calderon just gonna pass the ball back and forth to each other.

Hellcrooner
11-18-2009, 12:17 PM
for gods sake i hope its not lakers.

ellis is overpayed and overated as hell

Hellcrooner
11-18-2009, 12:18 PM
He is not going to be dealt for a pure PG, that is what they drafted curry for

Are curry and calderon just gonna pass the ball back and forth to each other.
curry can pplay te two spot.

Maybe a longer deal wiht raptors

Calderon and Bosh for Ellis Biedrins and randolph

miller74
11-18-2009, 12:19 PM
curry was anything but a PURE pg when i saw him play last year. calderon taking the ball away from him could make it easier for him, calderon pass first guy, and curry is a great shooter, seems like a fit to me

miller74
11-18-2009, 12:20 PM
curry can pplay te two spot.

Maybe a longer deal wiht raptors

Calderon and Bosh for Ellis Biedrins and randolph

I would say do it but Bosh is leaving for a contender next year, i dont think GS would do it knowing bosh will bolt

Hellcrooner
11-18-2009, 12:25 PM
he probay woldnt bolt GS its a nice place to live and with calderon, curry, maggette and biedrins you got a nice playoff contending team

loki34
11-18-2009, 12:26 PM
Utah deal makes the most sense
Bozzer or ak for ellis/filler

miller74
11-18-2009, 12:30 PM
he probay woldnt bolt GS its a nice place to live and with calderon, curry, maggette and biedrins you got a nice playoff contending team

ya maybe, as a raptor fan i do it. i know hes leaving, but i dont care a max contract player he has to be able to play defense and make his teammates better. bosh doesnt know the meaning of the phrase "kick out"

Raph12
11-18-2009, 12:31 PM
You're right that Lewis' numbers would improve a bit, but Monta's would not take much of a dip if he was in an organization with a strong presence down low and other go to gaurds. His assists would increase, and so would his fg%. He's more than willing to pass, and he's good at it, he's just been one of the go-to guys so it makes sense for him to play the style he does.

It's funny to see you call Monta Ellis a "run of the mill combo guard" while jocking Kirk-F'n-Hinrich. Kirk is NOT a lights out shooter man, we're not in Kansas anymore. The guy is an overpriced college star who struggled to fully adapt to the pro game.

Again, not an ideal trade, but it's not baseless. Moving on.

Lewis' numbers would skyrocket if he was the focal point on the team, in Seattle playing behind Ray Allen he avged 22+ppg-7rpg-2.5apg-1spg-1bpg, I'm sure if he played as the focal point of the offense or even as the second option behind Jacks in GS, he could reproduce those numbers.

As for Monta, back in 2007-08 (his last full season), he avged 20ppg-5rph-4apg-1.5spg-0.3bpg, now on the Magic, where he'd be the third option at best (behind Dwight and Vince), his scoring numbers would dip a bit and the rest would look similar to what they were before, if anything his percentages and/or assists would see a slight increase. Like I said before, they don't need another scorer, they need a guy who can shoot lights-out (not Monta), has great playmaking abilities (Monta is lacking) and can play great defense as well (nothing needs to be said).

Idk why you are so against Kirk Hinrich, he shoots over 40% from the arc, is a great playmaker and plays fantastic defense.

Raph12
11-18-2009, 12:34 PM
...

ManRam
11-18-2009, 12:39 PM
:facepalm:

Why would Golden State take on the inflated contracts of Curry and Jeffries... Oh yeah, because of the deal clincher, Chris Duhon...

Throw in a top 10 pick and this deal stills favors the Warriors too much :facepalm:

The Warriors want expirings, young talent and picks to start a rebuilding process around Steph Curry, Anthony Randolph and Anthony Morrow.

Send him to Cleveland for Big Z/Delonte West and JJ Hickson and a 2010 first rounder... Makes more sense.

PG: Mo Williams
SG: Monta Ellis
SF: LeBron James
PF: Anderson Varejao
C: Shaquille O'Neal

I like Hickson, and when Delonte is on the court he is incredibly valuable. But I really like that trade for Cleveland. It would help them out a lot I think.

Saltinuts40
11-18-2009, 01:47 PM
Three team trade:

Chicago Receives
Monta Ellis ($11M)

Portland Receives
Kirk Hinrich ($9.5M)

Golden State Receives
Andre Miller ($6.5M)
Jerryd Bayless ($2.1M)

The deal would have to wait for four weeks (the earliest that Portland can trade Miller) but every team involved would be happy:

Chicago gets a great young SG to put next to Derrick Rose who's salary doesn't impact the 2010 Free Agency because they are trading away Kirk Hinrich.

Portland gets a PG who is better suited to play next to Brandon Roy

GS gets the up-tempo, high bbiq, veteran PG who can actually run Nellie Ball effectively and a 21 year old Bayless who is the prototypical Don Nelson player (although he has a nasty habit of playing defense which Nelson will have to rid him of.)

Bayless' potential and the leadership qualities of Miller are worth it.

tredigs
11-18-2009, 03:09 PM
Lewis' numbers would skyrocket if he was the focal point on the team, in Seattle playing behind Ray Allen he avged 22+ppg-7rpg-2.5apg-1spg-1bpg, I'm sure if he played as the focal point of the offense or even as the second option behind Jacks in GS, he could reproduce those numbers.

As for Monta, back in 2007-08 (his last full season), he avged 20ppg-5rph-4apg-1.5spg-0.3bpg, now on the Magic, where he'd be the third option at best (behind Dwight and Vince), his scoring numbers would dip a bit and the rest would look similar to what they were before, if anything his percentages and/or assists would see a slight increase. Like I said before, they don't need another scorer, they need a guy who can shoot lights-out (not Monta), has great playmaking abilities (Monta is lacking) and can play great defense as well (nothing needs to be said).

Idk why you are so against Kirk Hinrich, he shoots over 40% from the arc, is a great playmaker and plays fantastic defense.

Well, Jacks doesn't play for Golden State, so he wouldn't have to worry about that anymore. But considering the warriors are all about the 6 second transition layup/kickout 3 ball, it's tough to imagine him being too much of an offensive focus anyway like he would under another coach with a similar roster. That said, he'd be great on the team.

But, still, your analysis of Monta as a player is WAY off base. Monta is lacking in playmaking abilities? Really? The guy can take it to the hole on anyone in the league with ease and either bring it in for the easy layup or kick it out to the three point threat. He's patented this move in GS. You have to understand that in 07/08 it was only his 3rd year in the league, and he was the THIRD option on the team (behind Baron and No-Longer-Captain Jackson), he only shot 15 times a game and put up 20+ (fg% was 533). Since then he's always been the 2nd option to Jacks. And don't let Monta hyping his own defense (stupid comment) make it seem like he isn't worth his cake on that end, he'll get you 1.5-2 steals a game easy and is getting consistently better with head to head against bigger 2 guards.

As for Captain Kirk, the guy has only shot 40% from 3 twice in his career, and I think is generally overrated in that area stemming from the college days. I just never thought he was that good, although I do agree that he'd be a good fit for the Magic. Just not a comparable player to Monta, though.

jimbobjarree
11-18-2009, 03:12 PM
Utah deal makes the most sense
Bozzer or ak for ellis/filler

I'd even do both for Ellis and expirings

wileyisTOFU
11-18-2009, 03:44 PM
utah?

naw, Monta is too black :p

:clap::clap::clap:

jimbobjarree
11-18-2009, 03:55 PM
:clap::clap::clap:

I believe Utah has the same number of white players as your Rockets :shrug:

TheKing23
11-18-2009, 04:09 PM
I like Hickson, and when Delonte is on the court he is incredibly valuable. But I really like that trade for Cleveland. It would help them out a lot I think.

Yeah, I would personally love that trade to happen, but Hickson has been playing really well recently... Maybe swap Hickson with Boobie, but still I would love to see Monta in a Cavs uniform.

sixer04fan
11-18-2009, 04:13 PM
So the choices are "100 or over" or "greater than 100"

hmmm...

PHX2daDEATH
11-18-2009, 04:34 PM
i would hope the Suns stay away from Monta..i wouldnt even trade Barbosa straight up for him..Warriors would be smart to try to squeeze josh howard from dallas

olrales
11-18-2009, 04:50 PM
i would hope the Suns stay away from Monta..i wouldnt even trade Barbosa straight up for him..Warriors would be smart to try to squeeze josh howard from dallas

There's eleven pages of trade speculation and you are the first one to signal this!! :facepalm:LOL! Kind of funny how we all talked about a trade and nobody really answered the question rightly caus' choices were the same!! lol! funny!:clap:

olrales
11-18-2009, 04:51 PM
So the choices are "100 or over" or "greater than 100"

hmmm...

LOL!! didn't quote the good guy...I'm not even better...:facepalm: I wanted to talk about this quote! LOL!

Young and Stupid
11-18-2009, 05:07 PM
LOL!! didn't quote the good guy...I'm not even better...:facepalm: I wanted to talk about this quote! LOL!

One of the top 10 most convoluted and confusing posts in PSD history.

thedfactor
11-18-2009, 05:19 PM
i would hope the Suns stay away from Monta..i wouldnt even trade Barbosa straight up for him..Warriors would be smart to try to squeeze josh howard from dallasI hope Dallas deals JHo for Ellis. It's good for both teams.

futureman
11-18-2009, 06:26 PM
a d will and monta backcourt :drool:

Don't need Monta with the way Maynor is playing.

esscobar05
11-18-2009, 07:23 PM
Because the new GM is Don Nelson's close friend.

And Monta Ellis has proven in the past that he is an idiot, same goes for S-Jax.

Do you see Nelson clashing with Morrow? Watson? Azubuike? Maggette? Curry?

Getting rid of the problem players will make the Warriors better as a team.

You are sick in the head...... Nellie has torn this team apart!!
Watson has already wondered why the team matched the Magic offer.. He said that he wanted to leave but the Warriors matched there offer.. Morrow is trying to get a name for himself Curry is a rookie.. Nellie is a virus that has contaianminated the Dubz.. Get rid of his fat azz ASAP.. Then fire Rowan..