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ChiSox219
11-13-2009, 01:31 AM
http://hoopnumbers.com/allAnalysisView?analysis=RAPM&discussion=False&leaders=True&year=2009optimizedNow_multiYear


2008-2009 season numbers (league-wide ranking) (3 year analysis, time weighted)

Rank Player RAPM
1 LeBron James 5.958
2 Lamar Odom 5.635
3 Kevin Garnett 4.645
4 Ray Allen 4.478
5 Chris Paul 4.152
6 Rashard Lewis 4.070
7 Steve Nash 3.674
8 Yao Ming 3.548
9 Dwyane Wade 3.349
10 Kobe Bryant 3.284
11 Home Court Advantage 3.138
12 J.R. Smith 3.108
13 Dirk Nowitzki 3.028
14 Andrei Kirilenko 3.004
15 Tony Parker 2.996
16 Matt Bonner 2.862
17 Rasheed Wallace 2.832
18 Ronald Murray 2.762
19 Peja Stojakovic 2.738
20 Josh Howard 2.625
21 Ron Artest 2.608
22 Jameer Nelson 2.595
23 Rajon Rondo 2.582
24 Brandon Roy 2.569
25 Pau Gasol 2.567
26 Tim Duncan 2.503
27 Jason Kidd 2.451
28 Hedo Turkoglu 2.431
29 Jamario Moon 2.396
30 Thaddeus Young 2.387
31 Chauncey Billups 2.377
32 Joakim Noah 2.325
33 Paul Millsap 2.289
34 Shane Battier 2.277
35 Andre Iguodala 2.268
36 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 2.249
37 Kirk Hinrich 2.137
38 Dwight Howard 2.103
39 Delonte West 2.054
40 Danny Granger 2.026
41 Deron Williams 1.992
42 Nicolas Batum 1.970
43 Chris Bosh 1.934
44 Amir Johnson 1.917
45 Paul Pierce 1.878
46 LaMarcus Aldridge 1.865
47 Al Harrington 1.844
48 Rudy Fernandez 1.800
49 Joel Przybilla 1.795
50 Ben Wallace 1.774

An interesting mix of players but this is supposed to be the most accurate APM to date. For those that don't know, the supposed claim is Home Court Advantage is worth 3 points per game and this stat supports that claim.

Chronz
11-13-2009, 01:38 AM
Al Thornton is definitely among the worst, dont know why Odom always seems to rate highly by these metrics. Suppose theres a reason why GMs consider him one of the toughest mismatches, he just makes life easier for his teammates.


As expected there is alot of noise but not a bad snap shot of players influence for their roles.

Gibby
11-13-2009, 02:11 AM
lol at 13. "Home court advantage"

theuuord
11-13-2009, 02:20 AM
Forgive me but i'm not exactly sure what this measures.

AllTheWay
11-13-2009, 02:28 AM
Al Thornton is definitely among the worst, dont know why Odom always seems to rate highly by these metrics. Suppose theres a reason why GMs consider him one of the toughest mismatches, he just makes life easier for his teammates.


As expected there is alot of noise but not a bad snap shot of players influence for their roles.

Ya, just a mix of everything he does that contributes to it. Lakers are not even missing a beat without Pau by plugging in Lamar.

ChiSox219
11-13-2009, 02:47 AM
lol at 13. "Home court advantage"

What's there to LOL about? There are 12 players in the league (theoretically) more valuable than HCA.


Forgive me but i'm not exactly sure what this measures.

Read this: http://hoopnumbers.com/allAnalysisView?analysis=RAPM&discussion=True

Gibby
11-13-2009, 03:30 AM
What's there to LOL about? There are 12 players in the league (theoretically) more valuable than HCA.



Read this: http://hoopnumbers.com/allAnalysisView?analysis=RAPM&discussion=True

is supposed to be a list players. HCA is already factored into the equation so why should be listed as a player.

Raph12
11-13-2009, 01:40 PM
Not surprised Shard Lewis is at #6, he's a very underrated player.

SteveNash
11-13-2009, 03:54 PM
382 Kevin Durant -3.711

ChiSox219
11-13-2009, 04:10 PM
382 Kevin Durant -3.711

Durant is a very odd case that someone should probably look into closely as a case study. This season his +/- is much more on par with him his teammates. Nonetheless the RAPM data supports the article from ESPN/TrueHoop:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/7047/the-kevin-durant-conundrum


And yet, a shocking piece of news: The Thunder have, over the last two years, consistently performed worse than normal when Durant is on the floor. Any way you slice the +/- numbers, he's one of the Thunder's worst players.

You read that correctly. Kevin Durant, uniformly regarded as an out-of-this-world NBA player, has been killing his team.

Sometimes +/- can punish players simply for being on bad teams, but this is more than that. Mavericks' statistical expert Wayne Winston's in-depth lineup data shows that every one of Durant's key teammates -- Russell Westbrook, Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, Nick Collison -- gets better, in many cases far better, results playing with less heralded teammates Thabo Sefolosha or Kyle Weaver while Durant sits.

In fact, almost nobody on the Thunder has a +/- rating as poor as Durant's. Winston rates Durant's performance "in the lowest 10% of all NBA players."


Theory #4: Anyone that young, playing those kinds of minutes, is likely to see his team get outscored.
There may be something to this.

Kevin Durant has played 5,653 minutes in his first two NBA seasons. Good teams generally don't play 19- and 20-year-olds those kinds of minutes. In fact, bad teams don't often do it, either.

There may be an inevitability to his poor performance. Since the mid-1990s only a handful of players as young as Durant have played the kinds of minutes he has over two seasons -- and only LeBron James has more field goal attempts. Durant has been in an unusual situation that almost never produces good results until the player matures.

At the same age as Durant, some had better bottom line results than Durant -- LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard -- but they all had more veteran teammates. Young Kevin Garnett in Minnesota, on the other hand, had Thunder-style youth around him, and performed only slightly better than Durant (according to Win Shares) in terms of helping his team win while he was on the court.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
11-13-2009, 04:16 PM
LINK is dead