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Fresno
11-07-2009, 09:14 PM
http://4.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kspir2Jjea1qzn4pgo1_400.jpg


What he once looked like:
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/images/more/sammy/SAMMY15a.jpg


Anybody else alarmed at seeing someone do this, gotta wonder what makes anyone look in the mirror and want to bleach their face.

BradHolt4CYoung
11-07-2009, 09:16 PM
he is one ugly motha ****er

Fresno
11-07-2009, 09:17 PM
http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__42/ept_sports_mlb_experts-823170739-1257552578.jpg?ymC7kKCDdiKowv.t

Another picture.

Thats horrible, he also has contacts on aswell.

Serious racial complex going on with Sammy.

BradHolt4CYoung
11-07-2009, 09:18 PM
Sammy Sosa's Wikipedia page:


Sammy Sosa's skin appears to have lightened considerably. Photographs taken at an event in Las Vegas reveal a surprisingly light pigmentation on the former slugger. While no cause has been established at this time, the web site Midwest Sports Fans speculates that steroid use could be responsible:

There appears to be at least some evidence suggesting that steroid use could be one of the lifestyle choices that increases a person's likelihood of becoming symptomatic with vitiligo.[citation needed]

Towelie
11-07-2009, 09:19 PM
Now that Jacksons dead someone needed to take his place.

Fresno
11-07-2009, 09:21 PM
Sammy Sosa's Wikipedia page:

Holy hell.

:speechless:

Mark McGwire must look like the Michelin Man by now.

bcransom
11-07-2009, 09:22 PM
He looks absolutely hideous.

Sick Of It All
11-07-2009, 09:23 PM
so steroids did that?

I just have to chuckle at that.

NYK|NYY
11-07-2009, 09:24 PM
Zombie

1-800-STFU
11-07-2009, 09:26 PM
Zombie

Wow thats exactly what i thought

Speedrunner86
11-07-2009, 09:27 PM
oh god he absolutely looks terrible

gocubs2118
11-07-2009, 09:27 PM
I hope he doesn't die, I would cry for days.

The 6-4-3
11-07-2009, 09:35 PM
holy jesus christ what he **** happened?
but look at the bright side, he has one fine *** ***** next to him.

Zaunnie
11-07-2009, 09:37 PM
he's a vampire.

Your Name Here
11-07-2009, 09:52 PM
he's a vampire.

Zombie vampire.

The only way to kill him now is to shoot in him the head with garlic bullets.

Brosiff
11-07-2009, 09:53 PM
he looks ****ing horrible, but atleast he has a fine *** girl with him. :)

Skippy15
11-07-2009, 10:04 PM
damn.....dont know what else to say

Paulliwali
11-07-2009, 10:14 PM
wow

EastCoastBaller
11-07-2009, 10:20 PM
why would he do this?????????????

JDIsMyGod23
11-07-2009, 10:20 PM
RWB and Poodski will deny that he even bleached his skin.

Fresno
11-07-2009, 10:23 PM
RWB and Poodski will deny that he even bleached his skin.

:laugh:

They'll point out that theres no proof because they didn't find any skin whitening cream and suggest hes whitened rapidly in recent years due to age.

Telios9
11-07-2009, 10:25 PM
wtf he looks like a creeper

Fresno
11-07-2009, 10:26 PM
he looks ****ing horrible, but atleast he has a fine *** girl with him. :)

You consider that hot?

If reports came out that she had a ding dong, would you be completely shocked?

nymetsrule
11-07-2009, 10:28 PM
Why is everything on the right side of that girl higher up/bigger than the left side?


Nose, Lips, Boobs...all shifted to one side.

Havoc Wreaker
11-07-2009, 10:31 PM
Bahahahahahahahaa

This Thread = $

:laugh2: :laugh:

Fresno
11-07-2009, 10:37 PM
Why is everything on the right side of that girl higher up/bigger than the left side?


Nose, Lips, Boobs...all shifted to one side.

I know right.

Makes me wonder if her left walnut is bigger than her right cashew.

LeBron2NYK
11-07-2009, 10:48 PM
I actually know his daughter, part of me wants to ask WTF is he doing.

BradHolt4CYoung
11-07-2009, 10:58 PM
I actually know his daughter, part of me wants to ask WTF is he doing.

do it for Sammy's own good. Does he own a mirror?

Dark Donnie
11-07-2009, 11:02 PM
Why is everything on the right side of that girl higher up/bigger than the left side?


Nose, Lips, Boobs...all shifted to one side.

I can't stop laughing at your sig :laugh2:

nymetsrule
11-07-2009, 11:06 PM
I can't stop laughing at your sig :laugh2:

:)

KB24PG16
11-07-2009, 11:18 PM
wow

michigansports8
11-07-2009, 11:30 PM
well she has big jugs but looks a little fat.

Bruno
11-07-2009, 11:34 PM
I saw this earlier today, it's so strange.

NYYankeesWin#27
11-07-2009, 11:49 PM
looks like a zombie lol

sawxfan
11-07-2009, 11:52 PM
Steroids are not the cure for narcissism.

Couldn't find the portrait of him as centaur.

http://www.shoppingblog.com/pics/arod_kissing_mirror.jpg

braun_is_g8d
11-08-2009, 12:16 AM
he prolly has vitilago you *****

J4KOP99
11-08-2009, 12:20 AM
"They'll never know it's me. Now I can live the rest of my life without anymore steroid questions."

Johann
11-08-2009, 12:22 AM
do ya see the crease on the bottom-mid part of her 'dress'...its not a ccrease.....:S

j-bay
11-08-2009, 12:26 AM
have you guys ever thought it might be a pigment in his skin

Your Name Here
11-08-2009, 12:33 AM
he prolly has vitilago you *****

g8d?

That doesn't even make sense. Why would Braun be gated?

Gibby
11-08-2009, 12:37 AM
he prolly has vitilago you *****

if thats true, i wonder how some people who made comments here will respond.

braun_is_g8d
11-08-2009, 12:42 AM
g8d?

That doesn't even make sense. Why would Braun be gated?

hes uh... gated in heaven because hes gOd

yea...

SirCalvin81
11-08-2009, 12:45 AM
hes ****in creepy

CQSox305
11-08-2009, 12:58 AM
Got a light skinned friend look like Michael Jackson, got a dark skinned friend look like Michael Jackson. Lol :laugh2:

iggypop123
11-08-2009, 01:12 AM
he probably has the same crap web du bois had when he was old

redwhitenblue
11-08-2009, 01:26 AM
RWB and Poodski will deny that he even bleached his skin.
It most likely has nothing to do with bleach or steroids. A skin disease called Vitiligo. As stated in the wikipedia page quoted, there is some correlation made by a researcher.

However, that correlation is crap. All the correlation is a few people named who have used steroids and had Vitiligo. I guess in that case steroids can be the cause for just about anything.

To quote Kirel
That article suggests that maybe, steroids could kinda maybe be at cause, and goes on to cite people who had it happen *WHILE* taking them, but no one who developed it 15 years after hte fact.

Its weak sauce that is only even considered because people want it to be the cause. 2% of the population is what, 160, 200 million people world wide?
The likelihood that this has anything to do with steroids is very, very small. For most saying he used in 1998, it would've taken 10 years to suddenly develop. . . doesn't make sense.

theproof
11-08-2009, 01:29 AM
I see dead people.

Seriously, the dude looks like a ****ing ghost

Ron!n
11-08-2009, 01:32 AM
Exactly what RWB says, he probably has Vitiligo which has no direct correlation with steroid use.

On the other hand id like to know how/why his eyes changed color. Sammy isn't green-eyed.

1903
11-08-2009, 01:35 AM
Someone should tell Sammy that Halloween ended last month, the guy looks like a zombie from Zombieland.

DjD3990
11-08-2009, 02:24 AM
Wow!

Big Zo
11-08-2009, 02:25 AM
Michael Jackson's spirit has taken over his body.

redwhitenblue
11-08-2009, 02:33 AM
Exactly what RWB says, he probably has Vitiligo which has no direct correlation with steroid use.

On the other hand id like to know how/why his eyes changed color. Sammy isn't green-eyed.
Probably is contacts, and possibly because with the new lighter skin color his dark eyes could seriously be freaky.

Tkais9009
11-08-2009, 02:35 AM
that was honestly kinda scary

johnnylee722
11-08-2009, 02:39 AM
I wonder if he can speak English now too...

Matt-the-great
11-08-2009, 02:55 AM
that girl has lopsided titties

Punkindrublic03
11-08-2009, 02:56 AM
wtf sammy!

MaHaRaJaH
11-08-2009, 03:06 AM
It most likely has nothing to do with bleach or steroids. A skin disease called Vitiligo. As stated in the wikipedia page quoted, there is some correlation made by a researcher.

However, that correlation is crap. All the correlation is a few people named who have used steroids and had Vitiligo. I guess in that case steroids can be the cause for just about anything.

To quote KirelThe likelihood that this has anything to do with steroids is very, very small. For most saying he used in 1998, it would've taken 10 years to suddenly develop. . . doesn't make sense.
Oh thank you!

nickster16301
11-08-2009, 03:15 AM
i dont think he ment to do this....you look at the beginning of his career he was as black as 3:00 am and got lighter as his career progressed and now that we havnt followed him and havnt seen or heard from him in a while you couldnt be eased in the whiteness

hoggin88
11-08-2009, 03:15 AM
That is terrifying.

redwhitenblue
11-08-2009, 03:30 AM
According to a former employee of the Cubs, he's doing a skin rejuvenation process involving putting some moisturizer on his face that has a side effect of discoloration.

2004
11-08-2009, 06:41 AM
truly horrifying. soon he'll be rocking a fake nose

N.Z's #1 Dodger
11-08-2009, 06:59 AM
rwb and poodski will deny that he even bleached his skin.


:laugh:

They'll point out that theres no proof because they didn't find any skin whitening cream and suggest hes whitened rapidly in recent years due to age.


:d:d:d

fanofclendennon
11-08-2009, 08:49 AM
truly horrifying. soon he'll be rocking a fake nose

Well, when you think about it, at times during his playing career he too appeared to be wearing one glove for no good reason.

nymetsrule
11-08-2009, 09:48 AM
Someone should tell Sammy that Halloween ended last month, the guy looks like a zombie from Zombieland.

Having a bunch of preteen girls in your sig is sort of creepy. :laugh2:

TheBlackHole
11-08-2009, 09:52 AM
he prolly has vitilago you *****

I seriously doubt it. I have a friend that has vitilago that I've known for around 7 years, and the areas that he has it havent spread that much if at all in that time. He has had it since he was a kid, and its only on his hands, feet, elbows, and knees and its alot lighter than what Sosa looks like. Not to mention it appears as spots.

redwhitenblue
11-08-2009, 12:00 PM
I seriously doubt it. I have a friend that has vitilago that I've known for around 7 years, and the areas that he has it havent spread that much if at all in that time. He has had it since he was a kid, and its only on his hands, feet, elbows, and knees and its alot lighter than what Sosa looks like. Not to mention it appears as spots.
Which is common, then makeup is used to make the skin all appear one color.

Tragedy
11-08-2009, 12:25 PM
lmfao, this is hideous.


Exactly what RWB says, he probably has Vitiligo which has no direct correlation with steroid use.

On the other hand id like to know how/why his eyes changed color. Sammy isn't green-eyed.
My first thoughts (vitiligo).

jbake_11
11-08-2009, 12:39 PM
he kinda looks like mark cuban

MDfootball36
11-08-2009, 02:25 PM
thats ****ing creepy

bahama0811
11-08-2009, 02:29 PM
Wow, that's disgusting.

Cassidy28
11-08-2009, 02:29 PM
WTF SAMMY

You used to be the man....

I75
11-08-2009, 02:37 PM
That photo was taken at the New Moon premiere.

Where's KG?
11-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Probably not Vitiligo. It would be more patchy/blotchy. His entire face, ears and all has changed color. Here is an article that talks about it. Any way you look at it....scary

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/286492-sammy-sosa-sports-a-new-face-michael-jacksons-disease-or-surgery

asmarks18
11-08-2009, 03:37 PM
Disgusting. Please tell me that's photo shopped.

floyd!!
11-08-2009, 03:52 PM
**** that white mother****er! look at this piece of *** to his left!

Kyben36
11-08-2009, 03:54 PM
I have to say, although he does look bad, I never figured that Bleaching your skin would actualy make you look normal, I guese MJ kinda ruined that idea for me. RIP Michael.

1903
11-08-2009, 03:56 PM
Wait, so steroids turned Sammy into a vampire?

dodgersuck
11-08-2009, 04:35 PM
I definetly think he intentionally did that to his skin because he also did some wierd **** to his hair to like straighten it and make it look less curly

Fresno
11-08-2009, 04:47 PM
A skin rejuvination progress?

RWB do you actually believe that load of crap?

Trouble87
11-08-2009, 04:50 PM
he clearly has in green contacts... dude did that skin lightening to himself. Trying to become a white boy. In some cultures a darker skin is looked down upon. Maybe he did this to appear more attractive in the minds of others.

Fresno
11-08-2009, 04:52 PM
he clearly has in green contacts... dude did that skin lightening to himself. Trying to become a white boy. In some cultures a darker skin is looked down upon. Maybe he did this to appear more attractive in the minds of others.

Maybe to get himself into the HOF?:)

kRispy
11-08-2009, 05:14 PM
he still has his halloween costume on in those pictures :P

FachoinaNYY
11-08-2009, 05:38 PM
holy **** thats scary... jesus I hope he didnt do that on purpose.

Zmaster52
11-08-2009, 05:59 PM
ahhh. MJ all over again..

Rndy
11-08-2009, 06:06 PM
ahhh. MJ all over again..

I don't really see where you are going with this. You are either trying to be a dick. or you are just that clueless. Jackson had Vitilligo something I suffered with for 5 years before light treatment returned my pigment. The picture from Sammy although hard to tell seems like Vitilligo due to the change of colors near the eyes. There is nothing at all funny about Vitilligo and it can really mess with you mentally.

BradHolt4CYoung
11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
I don't really see where you are going with this. You are either trying to be a dick. or you are just that clueless. Jackson had Vitilligo something I suffered with for 5 years before light treatment returned my pigment. The picture from Sammy although hard to tell seems like Vitilligo due to the change of colors near the eyes. There is nothing at all funny about Vitilligo and it can really mess with you mentally.

MJ did not have vitilligo. he had a lot of problems with his body, but the skin change was all him.

And I think Sammy did it to get attention. Ever since he retired he made a statement about him waiting to be elected to the HOF, he just want attention.

Rndy
11-08-2009, 06:35 PM
MJ did not have vitilligo. he had a lot of problems with his body, but the skin change was all him.

And I think Sammy did it to get attention. Ever since he retired he made a statement about him waiting to be elected to the HOF, he just want attention.

Really? he didn't have Vitiligo? What a freak.



That sucks for you, but I really don't think that is what is going on here with Sosa or Jacko.


I had it when I was very young I was one of the lucky people that a light treatment worked for. It is a horrible thing to go through and I wouldn't wish it on anybody.

Ethix11
11-08-2009, 06:35 PM
hes scary looking

Lincecum4CY
11-08-2009, 07:12 PM
holy shizzzzzz who was he for halloween?

redwhitenblue
11-08-2009, 07:41 PM
A skin rejuvination progress?

RWB do you actually believe that load of crap?
Why not, you believed the load of crap about steroids having anything to do with it.

That idea, from an ex-employee, makes a lot more sense. IMO it's that or the disease.

(To the poster who earlier said his whole face, ears, etc has changed, many times when you have that disease you use makeup to try and make everything the same color.)

Speedrunner86
11-08-2009, 07:45 PM
ITT: people pretend to know more than they do, and somehow they know exactly what goes on in other's personal lives.

ccspence8
11-08-2009, 08:43 PM
He's trying to get a part in Twilight

Tragedy
11-08-2009, 08:47 PM
MJ did not have vitilligo. he had a lot of problems with his body, but the skin change was all him.

And I think Sammy did it to get attention. Ever since he retired he made a statement about him waiting to be elected to the HOF, he just want attention.
How do you know this?

bmurphy28
11-09-2009, 02:44 AM
he is even uglier than before

Ron!n
11-09-2009, 06:08 AM
Sammy Sosa tells friends he is comfortable in his own skin.

But a widely circulated photo of the former Cubs slugger makes his skin color appear several shades lighter.

"He's not trying to be Michael Jackson," said former Cubs employee Rebecca Polihronis, who talks frequently with Sosa.

Sosa was photographed recently during an appearance at Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino in Las Vegas.

"He is going through a rejuvenation process for his skin," Polihronis said. "Women have it all of the time. He was surprised he came out looking so white. I thought it was a body double. Part of (the photo appearance) is just the lighting.

"He is in the middle of doing a cleansing process to his skin. The picture is deceiving. He said, 'If you saw me in person, you would be surprised. When you see me in person, it is not going to seem like the picture.'

"People who saw him in person did not react the same way. He can't believe it is such a big deal."

Polihronis, the former Cubs Care/Community Relations manager for the team, said Sosa told her he has used moisturizing treatment at night on his face.

"He has always been concerned with the way he looks," she said. "Probably just bad timing going to an awards show."

Among the possible side effects for some laser skin rejuvenation methods include discoloration of the skin. The treated area may become lighter or darker in appearance.

"He was doing a dermatological skin process after years and years (of playing baseball) in the sun," Polihronis said. "It did come out looking weird (in the picture)."


Skin Rejuvenation + Bad Lighting = Zombie Sosa.

Ron!n
11-09-2009, 06:29 AM
Keep telling yourself that....I think this fool (Sosa) is just ******** enough to do this for purely vain reasons.
Yeah and he'd deny doing it so that hed gain even more fame..... :rolleyes:

The Schmooze
11-09-2009, 10:29 AM
Wow he looks absolutely horrible. I knew I messed up on Halloween, I should have been Sammy-Lite!

Of course I dont believe that this is just a "skin-rejuvenation" thing, since Sosa's word is as good as garbage, but we'll see

The Ooh Child
11-09-2009, 10:53 AM
I'm not sure if this is vitilligo or zombiism, but we should probably kill Sammy just to make sure.

Also, I guess someone told Sammy that banging a hermy is worth 2 points :speechless:

JayAllDay
11-09-2009, 11:44 AM
I blame Twilight

Fresno
11-09-2009, 12:40 PM
MJ did not have vitilligo. he had a lot of problems with his body, but the skin change was all him.

And I think Sammy did it to get attention. Ever since he retired he made a statement about him waiting to be elected to the HOF, he just want attention.

Michael Jackson did have vitiligo, it was proven in his autopsy.

I thought that case was closed months ago regarding the skin speculation.

Why would Sammy Sosa on the other hand be going through a skin rejuvination process? I dont know any women who are going through a skin rejuvination process, and I highly doubt they come out lighter.

Fresno
11-09-2009, 12:41 PM
Wow he looks absolutely horrible. I knew I messed up on Halloween, I should have been Sammy-Lite!

Of course I dont believe that this is just a "skin-rejuvenation" thing, since Sosa's word is as good as garbage, but we'll see

Yeah I think a skin rejuvenation thing is just a cover-up by a friend.

The man looks like Count Dracula.

The Schmooze
11-09-2009, 01:28 PM
Yeah I think a skin rejuvenation thing is just a cover-up by a friend.

The man looks like Count Dracula.

Of course we could ask him, but as you know since his Grand Jury appearance, Sammy Sosa is unable to speak the English language :p

TheBlackHole
11-09-2009, 02:21 PM
Why not, you believed the load of crap about steroids having anything to do with it.

That idea, from an ex-employee, makes a lot more sense. IMO it's that or the disease.

(To the poster who earlier said his whole face, ears, etc has changed, many times when you have that disease you use makeup to try and make everything the same color.)

Except you would have seen signs of it on his hands arms or whatever. It doesnt just pop up out of nowhere and cover you in a year or two. Not only that, the color of his skin in the picture is darker than what your skin would look like with vitilago. It leaves you with no pigmentation at all so it kind of looks almost completely white, not like the color of Sosa.

redwhitenblue
11-09-2009, 02:54 PM
Michael Jackson did have vitiligo, it was proven in his autopsy.

I thought that case was closed months ago regarding the skin speculation.

Why would Sammy Sosa on the other hand be going through a skin rejuvination process? I dont know any women who are going through a skin rejuvination process, and I highly doubt they come out lighter.
And the other options...ppsssstt, bleaching of the skin is also, in definition, a skin-rejuvenating process.

However, I'm simply amazed that this "cannot be the disease" simply because you don't want it to be.

redwhitenblue
11-09-2009, 02:56 PM
Except you would have seen signs of it on his hands arms or whatever. It doesnt just pop up out of nowhere and cover you in a year or two. Not only that, the color of his skin in the picture is darker than what your skin would look like with vitilago. It leaves you with no pigmentation at all so it kind of looks almost completely white, not like the color of Sosa.
Who says some signs haven't been there the last couple years. . . we haven't seen Sosa since Texas in 2007. And if he had some signs on his hands or arms, do you think anyone would've noticed. And it doesn't go straight to white, it doesn't one day go from black to white, it progresses lighter and lighter.


BTW, no one is saying he's covered in it. Only has enough to wear makeup to try and make the skin appear one color.

Rndy
11-09-2009, 06:54 PM
Except you would have seen signs of it on his hands arms or whatever. It doesnt just pop up out of nowhere and cover you in a year or two. Not only that, the color of his skin in the picture is darker than what your skin would look like with vitilago. It leaves you with no pigmentation at all so it kind of looks almost completely white, not like the color of Sosa.


You are kind of right. Vitilligo starts off completely white. But undergoing a light treatment for Vitilligo will turn the white into a darker shade which is either your exact color skin or something a little different. If he does have Vitilligo I would say he either dyed his entire skin(something that I was thinking about before the light treatment.) Or the light treatment did this which is very possible because it does random spots at a time it can fix a spot on your left eye and leave the one on your right with 0 pigment. It could be he just hasn't finished his treatment that is if it is indeed Vitilligo.

Cursed Rangers
11-09-2009, 07:41 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Not-to-worry-Sammy-Sosa-is-just-rejuvenating-hi?urn=mlb,201086

Those pictures crack me up. What type of man goes through a skin rejuvenation process? He also looks like he has gained 50 pounds

Gangreenseason
11-09-2009, 11:04 PM
It is interesting that all i see is skin rejuvanating vitiligo and steroid use for sosa and his lightened skin tone.

No one is talking about the racial self hatred component to this. Dominicans like most people of african descent always view lighter skin as more beautiful. Dark skin people are bleachin their skin in Jamaica, Africa, Brazil, the Dominican and India.

It just make me sad to see this, Real Sad

thefeckcampaign
11-10-2009, 08:33 AM
It is interesting that all i see is skin rejuvanating vitiligo and steroid use for sosa and his lightened skin tone.

No one is talking about the racial self hatred component to this. Dominicans like most people of african descent always view lighter skin as more beautiful. Dark skin people are bleachin their skin in Jamaica, Africa, Brazil, the Dominican and India.

It just make me sad to see this, Real SadThis is the first thing I thought of myself. His girlfriend is of lighter skin. It's unfortunate, but obviously he has some serious insecurity issues.

Assman22
11-10-2009, 09:11 AM
Bleach has been veddy veddy good to me!

Mr.ATLHawks
11-10-2009, 09:16 AM
This is the first thing I thought of myself. His girlfriend is of lighter skin. It's unfortunate, but obviously he has some serious insecurity issues.

Well quite honestly everywhere in the world darker skinned people are discriminated on. Especially in Dominican Republic and every other place that has been named. Do I agree with this? No. You can blame Sammy Sosa, I can blame the world. Until people stop discriminating in the world you will continue to see stuff like this.

BTW I feel sorry for the girl (who is not ugly at all) b/c she has to wake up next the Green Goblin every morning before he puts his face on.

The Schmooze
11-10-2009, 12:20 PM
Well quite honestly everywhere in the world darker skinned people are discriminated on. Especially in Dominican Republic and every other place that has been named. Do I agree with this? No. You can blame Sammy Sosa, I can blame the world. Until people stop discriminating in the world you will continue to see stuff like this.

BTW I feel sorry for the girl (who is not ugly at all) b/c she has to wake up next the Green Goblin every morning before he puts his face on.

and she looks thrilled to be taking pictures with Count Chocula, doesnt she?

B.JenningsMVP
11-10-2009, 08:39 PM
What the ****!.. Hella ****ing ugly

djeller1139
11-10-2009, 10:01 PM
Ewww.

RamsfanNY
11-11-2009, 02:34 PM
He looks ridiculous.