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sunnydayin'zona
11-06-2009, 11:11 PM
Just beat the celtics in TD Garden, leading the entire game.
So the question is...are the suns considered a legitimate title contender now?

Phoenix Suns (5-1)
Field Goals Rebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
G. Hill F 24:28 4-9 1-1 3-3 -4 0 4 4 2 4 0 1 0 1 12
A. Stoudemire F 33:25 8-13 0-0 6-6 -9 0 7 7 2 4 0 1 1 1 22
C. Frye C 37:19 3-7 1-4 1-2 +5 0 5 5 2 3 2 1 0 1 8
J. Richardson G 38:15 10-16 6-7 8-11 +7 1 9 10 2 2 1 2 0 2 34
S. Nash G 35:34 5-11 3-6 3-4 -7 1 2 3 12 3 0 6 0 1 16
J. Dudley 30:42 3-6 2-5 2-2 +14 1 1 2 3 1 2 0 0 0 10
L. Amundson 17:59 3-4 0-0 0-2 +10 3 2 5 0 2 0 1 1 0 6
G. Dragic 15:21 1-4 0-1 0-0 +12 1 2 3 3 0 2 2 0 0 2
E. Clark 06:57 0-4 0-0 0-0 +7 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 1 1 0
L. Barbosa DNP - Coach's Decision
J. Collins DNP - Coach's Decision
T. Griffin DNP - Coach's Decision
R. Lopez DNP - Coach's Decision
A. Tucker DNP - Coach's Decision

Total 240 37-74 13-24 23-30 7 32 39 26 21 7 15 3 7 110
50.0% 54.2% 76.7% Team Rebs: 6 Total TO: 16
Boston Celtics (6-1)
Field Goals Rebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
P. Pierce F 41:33 5-15 2-5 4-6 -2 0 4 4 6 2 0 3 1 0 16
K. Garnett F 34:50 13-20 0-0 0-0 +9 3 5 8 4 1 2 0 1 0 26
K. Perkins C 24:40 4-6 0-0 4-8 -1 0 7 7 1 1 0 2 4 0 12
R. Allen G 31:16 7-11 2-4 0-0 +3 3 4 7 4 5 2 1 0 0 16
R. Rondo G 37:45 7-12 0-1 0-3 +4 2 0 2 11 3 3 1 0 1 14
M. Daniels 23:01 4-7 0-1 1-1 -14 2 2 4 3 3 1 3 0 1 9
R. Wallace 24:26 4-12 0-6 0-0 -8 1 4 5 1 3 1 1 0 1 8
S. Williams 11:46 1-1 0-0 0-0 -14 0 4 4 0 2 0 0 1 0 2
E. House 10:39 0-3 0-1 0-0 -12 1 0 1 0 2 0 1 0 0 0
J. Giddens 00:05 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
T. Allen DNP - Coach's Decision
G. Davis DNP - Coach's Decision
L. Hudson DNP - Coach's Decision
B. Scalabrine NWT - Back Spasms
B. Walker DNP - Coach's Decision

Total 240 45-87 4-18 9-18 12 30 42 30 22 9 12 7 3 103
51.7% 22.2% 50.0% Team Rebs: 8 Total TO: 12
Technical Fouls BOS 2nd Qtr 0:00 Kendrick Perkins
PHX 2nd Qtr 0:00 Channing Frye
BOS 2nd Qtr 0:00 Kendrick Perkins Scoring Lead Changes: 11
Times Tied: 7
ARENA STATS

Arena: TD Garden, Boston, MA
Officials: #22 B. Spooner, #19 J. Capers, #31 S. Wall
Attendance:18,624
Duration: 2:20

Toenail Clipper
11-06-2009, 11:13 PM
no, they're just a playoff team.
and whatever you wrote looks so confusing that i don't wanna read it. lol

Blackification
11-06-2009, 11:15 PM
suns fan and the answer is no.. still a long time way to go.

gcoll
11-06-2009, 11:15 PM
I think they're contenders, but not just because we beat the Celtics. That seems a bit shortsighted.

Good win, but it's only one game.

sunnydayin'zona
11-06-2009, 11:18 PM
sorry guys you can prolly tell im a bit excited about the win.

posted within 5 minutes of the end of the game haha

Punkindrublic03
11-06-2009, 11:19 PM
You can't say they are and you can't say that they aren't. We're only six games into the season. Way too early to make any conclusions about any team. We can decide if they are contenders when May comes Around.

Duncan = Donkey
11-06-2009, 11:22 PM
im a suns fan, and NO WE ARNT CONTENDERS.
we have a long way to go. great win tonight though.

LeBron2NYK
11-06-2009, 11:26 PM
The funny thing is they really aren't better than last years team which missed the playoffs strictly from a talent perspective, maybe Shaq and Marion were just cancers? Maybe with them gone Amare finally catches up to Dwight Howard (because before Amare's surgery he was thought to be the league's next great big man, not superman).

Spurred1
11-06-2009, 11:28 PM
A bit premature. They are off to a good start, beating the Celtics in their arena.

bahama0811
11-06-2009, 11:30 PM
It's only six games in. Give it a month or two and then ask again.

Raps08-09 Champ
11-06-2009, 11:30 PM
Good start but still too early.

I see a top 4 seed the way things look.

Really surprised that offense prevailed over defense though.

Raph12
11-06-2009, 11:33 PM
Well they got blown out by a Magic team without Carter, Lewis and Howard (for 24+mins); but they beat the Celts on their home floor sooooo... it's way too early to tell bro.

theimortalone
11-06-2009, 11:35 PM
No, we aren't legitimate contenders yet, the win in Boston was very impressive, but it doesn't mean we are contenders just like that . Like everyone is saying, the season is still really young.

STAT32
11-06-2009, 11:39 PM
Not yet... With each passing day it looks as if the run n' gun offense is gonna take the league by storm once again.

GodsSon
11-06-2009, 11:47 PM
they'll be good, but no...unless they make a big move to add another piece at the deadline; hopefully working out better then the shaq deal

Shady66
11-06-2009, 11:48 PM
If only Channing could be consistant on the road

ManChild
11-06-2009, 11:56 PM
Well they also got blown out coming off a back to back missing Leandro Barbosa (who is instant offense) and a not fully in shape Amare and oldies. However, the Magic are a very good team. It is still early, but nice win Suns.

JordansBulls
11-07-2009, 12:24 AM
Just beat the celtics in TD Garden, leading the entire game.
So the question is...are the suns considered a legitimate title contender now?

Phoenix Suns (5-1)
Field Goals Rebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
G. Hill F 24:28 4-9 1-1 3-3 -4 0 4 4 2 4 0 1 0 1 12
A. Stoudemire F 33:25 8-13 0-0 6-6 -9 0 7 7 2 4 0 1 1 1 22
C. Frye C 37:19 3-7 1-4 1-2 +5 0 5 5 2 3 2 1 0 1 8
J. Richardson G 38:15 10-16 6-7 8-11 +7 1 9 10 2 2 1 2 0 2 34
S. Nash G 35:34 5-11 3-6 3-4 -7 1 2 3 12 3 0 6 0 1 16
J. Dudley 30:42 3-6 2-5 2-2 +14 1 1 2 3 1 2 0 0 0 10
L. Amundson 17:59 3-4 0-0 0-2 +10 3 2 5 0 2 0 1 1 0 6
G. Dragic 15:21 1-4 0-1 0-0 +12 1 2 3 3 0 2 2 0 0 2
E. Clark 06:57 0-4 0-0 0-0 +7 0 0 0 0 2 0 1 1 1 0
L. Barbosa DNP - Coach's Decision
J. Collins DNP - Coach's Decision
T. Griffin DNP - Coach's Decision
R. Lopez DNP - Coach's Decision
A. Tucker DNP - Coach's Decision

Total 240 37-74 13-24 23-30 7 32 39 26 21 7 15 3 7 110
50.0% 54.2% 76.7% Team Rebs: 6 Total TO: 16
Boston Celtics (6-1)
Field Goals Rebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
P. Pierce F 41:33 5-15 2-5 4-6 -2 0 4 4 6 2 0 3 1 0 16
K. Garnett F 34:50 13-20 0-0 0-0 +9 3 5 8 4 1 2 0 1 0 26
K. Perkins C 24:40 4-6 0-0 4-8 -1 0 7 7 1 1 0 2 4 0 12
R. Allen G 31:16 7-11 2-4 0-0 +3 3 4 7 4 5 2 1 0 0 16
R. Rondo G 37:45 7-12 0-1 0-3 +4 2 0 2 11 3 3 1 0 1 14
M. Daniels 23:01 4-7 0-1 1-1 -14 2 2 4 3 3 1 3 0 1 9
R. Wallace 24:26 4-12 0-6 0-0 -8 1 4 5 1 3 1 1 0 1 8
S. Williams 11:46 1-1 0-0 0-0 -14 0 4 4 0 2 0 0 1 0 2
E. House 10:39 0-3 0-1 0-0 -12 1 0 1 0 2 0 1 0 0 0
J. Giddens 00:05 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
T. Allen DNP - Coach's Decision
G. Davis DNP - Coach's Decision
L. Hudson DNP - Coach's Decision
B. Scalabrine NWT - Back Spasms
B. Walker DNP - Coach's Decision

Total 240 45-87 4-18 9-18 12 30 42 30 22 9 12 7 3 103
51.7% 22.2% 50.0% Team Rebs: 8 Total TO: 12
Technical Fouls BOS 2nd Qtr 0:00 Kendrick Perkins
PHX 2nd Qtr 0:00 Channing Frye
BOS 2nd Qtr 0:00 Kendrick Perkins Scoring Lead Changes: 11
Times Tied: 7
ARENA STATS

Arena: TD Garden, Boston, MA
Officials: #22 B. Spooner, #19 J. Capers, #31 S. Wall
Attendance:18,624
Duration: 2:20

Depends on how well Frye and Richardson play.

King P
11-07-2009, 12:25 AM
Defense Wins Championships

Just remember that

daleja424
11-07-2009, 12:27 AM
yes. they are contenders. they are back to playing phoenix suns basketball and can score with anyone right now. They are probably the 3rd-4th best team in the west but will make noise in the playoffs. I would not be at all surprised to see them in the Finals (although the Lakers are more likely)

Nirvanaskurdt
11-07-2009, 12:54 AM
The Suns are playoff contenders ;) I think they need one more solid piece to make a run at a title and bring Phoenix its first championship :) Big win tonight.. GO SunS :D

_KB24_
11-07-2009, 01:11 AM
Not legitimate, but contenders nonetheless. I feel that you guys are better than both Portland and Dallas when healthy, but the Nuggets, Spurs, and Lakers are still ahead of you.

king4day
11-07-2009, 01:16 AM
Contenders for the Playoffs? Yes.
But it'll be really hard for the team, built as is, to contend with LA, Boston, Orlando, and the Cavs.
Fortunately, the east has the best teams in the league and the West's best is just one team. (Elite I mean)

BTownTeamsRKing
11-07-2009, 01:40 AM
only if j-rich goes6 of 7 from 3.

JPHX
11-07-2009, 04:36 AM
Hell no.

ARMIN12NBA
11-07-2009, 04:47 AM
Of course not.

gcoll
11-07-2009, 05:12 AM
only if j-rich goes6 of 7 from 3.
Eh. He won't have to once Barbosa gets back.

jd_azsportsfan
11-07-2009, 06:00 AM
i think we have to wait till we play lakers spurs and nugguets to see how we match up

Tom81
11-07-2009, 07:29 AM
im a suns fan, and NO WE ARNT CONTENDERS.
we have a long way to go. great win tonight though.

agreed

raptor fan
11-07-2009, 11:13 AM
the suns are definitely not championship contenders, they still have to add a lot more pieces to get there.

KB24PG16
11-07-2009, 11:20 AM
theyre a solid team anything can happen in the playoffs

thephoenixson28
11-07-2009, 11:35 AM
I might put them up there but I want to see how we match up with teams like the lakers, nuggets, and spurs. The Suns are number 1 in the Nba in scoring but also play defense. People might not believe they play defense but just watch them play. Celtic and heat fan know what I'm talking about. Yeah we lost to orlando but it was a back to back game and hill,richardson,frye, and nash all had bad games. I'm not taking anything away from orlando I would put them maybe at number 1. Just like my sig expect the unexpected.

thephoenixson28
11-07-2009, 11:45 AM
At least the suns are getting respect now

Sly Guy
11-07-2009, 12:49 PM
making claims on contenders and playoff teams is pointless this early in the season. You haven't even seen them play each team yet. When that happens, you've got more of an idea as to where each team stands, right now 5-1 could mean good, or it could mean statistical anamoly.

fishfan79
11-07-2009, 12:51 PM
nothing changes in a few games

CowboysKB24
11-07-2009, 01:23 PM
After 6 games... you can't tell anything. It is too early. Good start though and great win over the Celtics.

CowboysKB24
11-07-2009, 01:24 PM
At least the suns are getting respect now

If they stay this pace of winning, of course they will get respect. If they end up the 7th seed or not in the playoffs like last year... they will get no respect. It is pretty simple.

LakersOrNothing
11-07-2009, 01:39 PM
nice win over the celtics. suns looking good

i doubted the suns before the season started and looking back i may have made an mistake. they're only a few games in, lets see what happens in a few months. right now, they are looking like contenders. hopefully they keep that pace, i'd love to see Lakers get some revenge on the Suns in the playoffs! :p :D

BluejaysFan08
11-07-2009, 01:46 PM
after one game. Nope.

STAT32
11-07-2009, 01:51 PM
I'm fairly certain we are 6 games in and we just beat two previously undefeated teams on the road. Just sayin though...

Giantwarrior
11-07-2009, 01:59 PM
the suns are...the suns. are they contenders? no. are they a playoff team? yes. they arent even a top 4 team in the west. you cant really judge them until mid season. they are not as good or as deep as their 2006 season.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
11-07-2009, 02:21 PM
maybe a legit 45 win team

STAT32
11-07-2009, 02:26 PM
Hahahahah did you just say we're not as deep as our 06 team? That comment is idiotic on sooooo many levels. For one thing, Mike D'antoni was known for only playing 7 players, maybe 8 on a good night. Alvin Gentry has been an absolute genius when it comes to bench development. Our bench has yet to be outplayed this season, just ask the Celtics what they think of our bench. Hell, ask Doc Rivers.

Steve Nash/Goran Dragic
Jason Richardson/Leandro Barbosa
Grant Hill/Jared Dudley/Earl Clark
Amare Stoudemire/Louis Amundson
Channing Frye/Jarron Collins/Robin Lopez

Our bench has been phenomenal this season.

BlinkManJan02
11-07-2009, 02:40 PM
sorry guys you can prolly tell im a bit excited about the win.

posted within 5 minutes of the end of the game haha

haha, it was a good win!

thephoenixson28
11-07-2009, 03:30 PM
the suns are...the suns. are they contenders? no. are they a playoff team? yes. they arent even a top 4 team in the west. you cant really judge them until mid season. they are not as good or as deep as their 2006 season. weren't you the one that said golden state would finish in front of the suns and that we will not make the playoffs. I'm not sure if it was you but you used to come to the suns forum and talk stuff. Well I'm just saying we are underrated and fairandbalance should've made us in a poll that said that not just overrated. Let me tell you guys did you honestly think we would've had this record I don't think so.

PHX2daDEATH
11-07-2009, 03:58 PM
This team is going to play with a chip on their shoulder after every loss.. is it going to take us beating the Lakers too, to be called contenders? All i've heard on these boards and on TV is how the Suns are a 7th seed..8th seed.. aren't better then the CLIPPERS or the THUNDER or the WARRIORS..ha! i said it before the Season this team has the potential to be the best Suns team Since Nash signed, they have chemistry and a unity not too many other teams have.. they have so far the best bench in the league.. yep i said it in the league.

Duncan = Donkey
11-07-2009, 07:40 PM
weren't you the one that said golden state would finish in front of the suns and that we will not make the playoffs. I'm not sure if it was you but you used to come to the suns forum and talk stuff. Well I'm just saying we are underrated and fairandbalance should've made us in a poll that said that not just overrated. Let me tell you guys did you honestly think we would've had this record I don't think so.

yer thats him alright, he'd come into the suns forum and talk **** about them and how golden state would make the playoffs and the suns wouldnt.

king4day
11-07-2009, 08:25 PM
the suns are...the suns. are they contenders? no. are they a playoff team? yes. they arent even a top 4 team in the west. you cant really judge them until mid season. they are not as good or as deep as their 2006 season.

This is the deepest Suns team in the Nash era. It was before the season started and the bench (sometimes 10 deep) has proven they can play.

CowboysKB24
11-08-2009, 12:39 AM
This team is going to play with a chip on their shoulder after every loss.. is it going to take us beating the Lakers too, to be called contenders? All i've heard on these boards and on TV is how the Suns are a 7th seed..8th seed.. aren't better then the CLIPPERS or the THUNDER or the WARRIORS..ha! i said it before the Season this team has the potential to be the best Suns team Since Nash signed, they have chemistry and a unity not too many other teams have.. they have so far the best bench in the league.. yep i said it in the league.

And you said the same thing when Shaq was signed. You said the same thing when Nash was MVP. You have thought the Suns were going to be contenders for the past five years. They're good, but I see the Suns have big trouble playing bigger teams. Amare is not a true center and can not play good defense. It is still early. These first 7 games really don't mean much. When it is half over... well see.

Ty Fast
11-08-2009, 12:47 AM
Hell No. They can not play defence. STILL.

thephoenixson28
11-08-2009, 01:00 AM
Hell No. They can not play defence. STILL. I don't think you seen any games this season if you don't know ask a celtic fan or a heat fan if we play defense. Just cuz we are number 1 in offense doesn't mean we don't play defense.

iggypop123
11-08-2009, 01:17 AM
i have my dobuts about them giving a healthy laker team any trouble

Ty Fast
11-08-2009, 01:55 AM
I don't think you seen any games this season if you don't know ask a celtic fan or a heat fan if we play defense. Just cuz we are number 1 in offense doesn't mean we don't play defense.

are you calling me a liar? i stand by my origianal post

Raph12
11-08-2009, 02:12 AM
I don't think you seen any games this season if you don't know ask a celtic fan or a heat fan if we play defense. Just cuz we are number 1 in offense doesn't mean we don't play defense.

You are NOT number one in offense, Orlando is (best offensive rating in the league, the Suns are at #4)... just cuz you are number one in PPG, doesn't mean you are number one in offense. ;)

ZebraCity916
11-08-2009, 02:15 AM
I don't think you can call them contenders right now but if they are still on a terror like this after the All-Star break then I would call them a contender. Not yet though in my opinion.

Giantwarrior
11-08-2009, 02:21 AM
weren't you the one that said golden state would finish in front of the suns and that we will not make the playoffs. I'm not sure if it was you but you used to come to the suns forum and talk stuff. Well I'm just saying we are underrated and fairandbalance should've made us in a poll that said that not just overrated. Let me tell you guys did you honestly think we would've had this record I don't think so.

no, you have the wrong person.

ElMarroAfamado
11-08-2009, 02:26 AM
any team with chris dudley AND amundson on their team is not doing anything anytime soon
especially when both of them are out on the floor (their bench sucks)

Shady66
11-08-2009, 02:39 AM
any team with chris dudley AND amundson on their team is not doing anything anytime soon
especially when both of them are out on the floor (their bench sucks)

Chris dudley?!?!?!

Its J dud :)

And our bench is great, so far this season (without Barbosa even) Theyv held leads when our starters needed a break, and even gained on them. Louis Amundson plays great D, blocks shots, grabs all the boards, and is great energy guy. Same with J dud, but instead of blocking shots he plays lock down D, and hits his open shots. This is out deepest bench in a long time.

Shady66
11-08-2009, 02:40 AM
are you calling me a liar? i stand by my origianal post

Youv obviously not seen any suns games this year.
And when did he say ur a liar lmao

thapharcyd
11-08-2009, 04:28 AM
Suns could be a contender with a better SF/C... they need like Gerald Wallace and Bynum... Or just Chris Paul instead of Nash, haha

thapharcyd
11-08-2009, 04:38 AM
any team with chris dudley AND amundson on their team is not doing anything anytime soon
especially when both of them are out on the floor (their bench sucks)

Haha, well it is JARED Dudley... and I think the coach of the Celtics even disagrees with you on your uneducated statement... In regards to the game against the Celtics... This is Doc Rivers...

"but I thought the two most important guys on the floor tonight was (Louis) Amundson and (Jared) Dudley. I thought those two guys’ effort, energy, defensive denials, keeping the ball alive – I thought those two guys set the entire tone for the game. When they came in the game, I thought the game changed. And, hell, it’s rare when I’ll say ‘Keep Grant Hill on the floor,’ but we wanted him on the floor instead of Dudley, the way Dudley was playing. He was just a thorn in our butt. I mean, the biggest, one of their biggest plays is that back-cut down the stretch. But he did it all game. He was absolutely fantastic tonight. I thought Dudley was – him and Amundson – I thought those two were fantastic.”

rockets2
11-08-2009, 04:58 AM
If they had a better bench and a rebounding center, yes. but there not going to beat the lakers in a 7 game series

Tblaze
11-08-2009, 07:43 AM
The problem with their playing style is, that it isnt effective come playoff time.. They prooved that in the past... During the playoffs defense becomes that more important, and they don't have that..

PHX2daDEATH
11-08-2009, 07:46 AM
any team with chris dudley AND amundson on their team is not doing anything anytime soon
especially when both of them are out on the floor (their bench sucks)

You dont watch this team obviously.. Suns are at their best when Lou and Dudley are on the floor with Amare.. they are even good when Dragic is playing instead of Nash..Id like you to go look at the box-score of that celtics game and look at the +/- of the Suns bench.. the bench hasnt even been fully healthy with R-lo and LB out..right now I'd put our bench against any other one in the league except Orlando... yes that includes the Lakers..

I think Lou and Dudley's effort on D has been contagious to Amare Stoudemire,

rockets2
11-08-2009, 07:58 AM
You dont watch this team obviously.. Suns are at their best when Lou and Dudley are on the floor with Amare.. they are even good when Dragic is playing instead of Nash..Id like you to go look at the box-score of that celtics game and look at the +/- of the Suns bench.. the bench hasnt even been fully healthy with R-lo and LB out..right now I'd put our bench against any other one in the league except Orlando... yes that includes the Lakers..

I think Lou and Dudley's effort on D has been contagious to Amare Stoudemire,

Boston, portland, magic, spurs, utah, dallas, denver and maybe even houston with guys like landry, lowry and budingers has a better bench

thephoenixson28
11-08-2009, 08:46 AM
You are NOT number one in offense, Orlando is (best offensive rating in the league, the Suns are at #4)... just cuz you are number one in PPG, doesn't mean you are number one in offense. ;) That's what I meant ppg

thephoenixson28
11-08-2009, 08:48 AM
are you calling me a liar? i stand by my origianal post Now I am, with a capital L

goku
11-08-2009, 12:32 PM
I don't think you seen any games this season if you don't know ask a celtic fan or a heat fan if we play defense. Just cuz we are number 1 in offense doesn't mean we don't play defense.

they play a zone defense which isnt something you can play a full season they wont beat the lakers or spurs in a series or even denver or portland

Shady66
11-08-2009, 01:06 PM
they play a zone defense which isnt something you can play a full season they wont beat the lakers or spurs in a series or even denver or portland

They only do this a few minutes a game to disrupt the opposing teams offense.

Hawkeye15
11-08-2009, 02:52 PM
they don't have the defense to do anything serious in the playoffs.

Bashna
11-08-2009, 05:54 PM
ITT: A bunch of people who DONT watch the suns.


I'm not saying the suns are better than the Celtics, Cavs, Magic, Or Lakers... But outside of those 4, we can surprise any team. And LOL @ Those who say our defense is absent, proving further you haven't watched the suns this season. Amare is getting blocks, Frye is standing his ground and not giving up easy baskets, Nash is still a great help-defender, Hill J-rich dudley and amundson are great defensive players, and we're doing pretty damn well on the Boards. IF we had a rebounding center, yes we'd be better... But that goes true with every team, if Lebron had X, if Kobe had Y, etc etc etc Its silly to throw out hypotheticals when you don't really understand how this team plays. Yes, we're up-tempo, Yes we're more offensive oriented. No we're not the best defensive team in the league, but we're easily a 12-16 Defensive team, middle of the pack is good enough when you're gonna be the best offensive team in the league.

The Suns aren't exactly title contenders, but they definitely shouldn't be tossed aside. We're fairly talented, our bench has come alive this season, we're doing good on Defense, Nash is dishing out assists left and right, J-rich is playing like a monster, and IF/WHEN Amare gets back to his offensive form, and if we start making our free throws, we can easily surprise and upset teams. We're better than we have been given credit for, and although its only 7 games in, we've shown we can win on the road, and have closed out games much better than we used to.

ManChild
11-08-2009, 07:34 PM
The Suns played horribly against the Wiz in the first half (15 TOs) and still won by 12. That does not prove that they are contenders, but it proves that they are extremely talented.

tr4shb0t
11-08-2009, 07:42 PM
What did Nash do over the summer? He is playing great. Spurs should have done what he did.

ManChild
11-08-2009, 07:46 PM
For people saying the Suns don't have a bench, the Suns bench outplayed the benches of

Miami
Boston
Washington

on their road trip. Even Doc Rivers had to praise the efforts of Louis Amudson and Jared Dudley. Our bench is all hustle and grit. Now that Barbosa is back, our bench is deadly.

ElMarroAfamado
11-08-2009, 07:55 PM
For people saying the Suns don't have a bench, the Suns bench outplayed the benches of

Miami
Boston
Washington

on their road trip. Even Doc Rivers had to praise the efforts of Louis Amudson and Jared Dudley. Our bench is all hustle and grit. Now that Barbosa is back, our bench is deadly.

dudley and amundson remind me of mark madsen type players
that teams ignore cuz they really suck but as soon as they see they can get the ball in the hoop (usually off "madsenesque hustle plays" ) then they regret underestimating them....

i have seen this team play and Steve Nash is just playing on a whole nother level i remember when he played against the Clips he shot like 100 % in the 4th....Amare is good...Jason Richardson....Barbosa......
but eh

Shady66
11-08-2009, 08:19 PM
What did Nash do over the summer? He is playing great. Spurs should have done what he did.

He did absolutely nothing :)

_KB24_
11-08-2009, 08:45 PM
Are the Suns still perfect?

JasonJohnHorn
11-08-2009, 08:52 PM
No depth, no defence, and a weak reboudning team. Obviously their offence is so good that they can make up for some of those issues, but in a seven game series against a great defensive team (like the spurs, lakers and celtics), the Suns will have a hard time, especially since two of their key plays are on the wrong side of 35 in Hill and Nash. That said, they will be fun to watch.

If only their front office was willing to spend some money. Marion got dumped for Shaq. Joe Johnson was left go for next to nothing. They gave away two draft picks to get somebody to take on Kurt Thomas's contract. They bought out Big Ben. The amount of talent that has gone through this squad in the years since Nash came is crazy. They could easily have been the best team in the league right now if the front office had made an effort to keep this squad together.

Shady66
11-08-2009, 08:53 PM
Are the Suns still perfect?

6-1, lost to Orlando.

Team*Chicago
11-08-2009, 09:23 PM
If they keep playing this well and end the season with just under 15 losses then yes they are title contenders.

Spurred1
11-08-2009, 09:27 PM
If they keep playing this well and end the season with just under 15 losses then yes they are title contenders.

I seriously doubt that will happen. Celtics and Lakers might end up with under 15 losses, but even that is debatable. Regardless, at this very early point, only a couple of teams actually look like contenders. We'll have a better idea once the season progresses-things always look pretty different towards the end.

evadatam5150
11-08-2009, 09:41 PM
Just beat the celtics in TD Garden, leading the entire game.
So the question is...are the suns considered a legitimate title contender now?

Phoenix Suns (5-1)

Suns are 6-1.. Seven games into the season tells you nothing about the real composition of a team.. they've played well thus far but to base what their chances are at the end of the season this early on is simply moronic.. So I'll just say a big fat NO for no other reason than the fact that they're still the Suns and as we all know the Suns do one thing exceptionally well.. Fold..

You asked... :D

ManChild
11-08-2009, 10:55 PM
No depth, no defence, and a weak reboudning team. Obviously their offence is so good that they can make up for some of those issues, but in a seven game series against a great defensive team (like the spurs, lakers and celtics), the Suns will have a hard time, especially since two of their key plays are on the wrong side of 35 in Hill and Nash. That said, they will be fun to watch.

If only their front office was willing to spend some money. Marion got dumped for Shaq. Joe Johnson was left go for next to nothing. They gave away two draft picks to get somebody to take on Kurt Thomas's contract. They bought out Big Ben. The amount of talent that has gone through this squad in the years since Nash came is crazy. They could easily have been the best team in the league right now if the front office had made an effort to keep this squad together.

You obviously have not watched any Suns game. Their bench has outplayed every team that they beat (including the Celtics), and on their current road trip, Barbosa was missing and their bench still outplayed the opposing teams' benches. Against the Celtics elite defense, they dropped 110 points, hit 13 threes in their house, and our bench outplayed the Celtics bench. Our defense is in the middle of the pack, and we have actually out rebounded a few teams and only lost the rebounding battle to teams that have out rebounded us by a few digits. Please watch a Suns game before posting.