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11-02-2009, 05:45 PM
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Monday, November 2nd at Citizens Bank Park | 7:57 PM ET

AJ Burnett, RHP(1-0, 3.35)

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WHIP: .1.18
K/9: 7.82
BB/9: 4.26

Cliff Lee, LHP (3-0, 0.54)

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WHIP: 0.69
K/9: 8.10
BB/9: 081


Scouting Report:


Yankees:After a rocky first three innings in Game 2 in which he threw 61 pitches, Burnett settled down in his first World Series start and was near unhittable, outdueling Phillies starter Pedro Martinez as the Yankees won, 3-1, to even the Classic at a game apiece. Burnett struck out nine and walked two while turning in his third quality start in four postseason outings. He is 1-0 with a 3.55 ERA in those contests, but take out one bad first inning against the Angels and his ERA is a sterling 2.13.

Phillies:The Phillies pin their World Series championship hopes on left-hander Cliff Lee, who has been incredible this postseason. He is 3-0 with a 0.54 ERA in four postseason starts. That is the best ERA of any pitcher in a single postseason who has pitched 30 or more innings. It is the seventh-best single postseason ERA of all time. Lee threw a complete game against the Yankees in Game 1. He allowed no earned runs and no walks and struck out 10 to pick up the 6-1 victory. They don't need perfection, but they need something close from him if the Phillies are going to extend the Series and send it back to New York for Game 6 on Wednesday.



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Fool
11-02-2009, 06:11 PM
I like the Phillies in this one, but still the Yankees in the series.

DieHardColtsfan
11-02-2009, 06:16 PM
AJ Lets lock it up... Earn the World Series MVP with CC having the ALCS MVP... Smokin Ace's

Pensx3
11-02-2009, 06:23 PM
^ DieHardColtsfan --> How are you a Yankees/Knicks fan but also a Flyers fan? I feel like you cant be fans of a Philly team and a NY team?? And the Colts???

This will be a good game tonight, good pitching matchup. Cole Hammels and Brad Lidge might as well not even go to these games...

TheRuckus
11-02-2009, 06:55 PM
It's a long road back from 3-1, but I still believe in my team. And there's no one I'd rather have on the mound right now with our season on the line than Lee (even if it might have been the better decision to let him pitch last night).

Here's to what will hopefully be the start of another Phillies comeback and Yankees implosion.

Strike89
11-02-2009, 07:02 PM
Can't wait for the game. Should be good pitching wise (assuming we get the good Burnett tonight).

Toxeryll
11-02-2009, 07:10 PM
lee with a shutout win book it

bahama0811
11-02-2009, 07:12 PM
Go Phillies!! I really don't want the Yankees to win.

bullocks
11-02-2009, 07:14 PM
Phillies win this game, Yankees in 6.

Toxeryll
11-02-2009, 07:14 PM
at least make the series interesting, phillies..

GoatMilk
11-02-2009, 07:38 PM
too many wild cards for me to pick the yanks

AJ on 3 days rest
Gardner in there to face a tough lefty instead of Melky
Swisher batting 5th
no Posada

Lee's been dominant.

i like the phils tonight

oak2455
11-02-2009, 07:41 PM
Yanks win tonight get a few runs in the first few innings then Philly feels out of it..... both pitch great but its Mo for another save and THHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

Hustla23
11-02-2009, 07:54 PM
Phillies suck.

Yankees easy

MelanconMadness
11-02-2009, 07:58 PM
The phillies looked dead and like they accepted defeat in the 9th last night. If the phillies don't jump on Burnett early and get the Yankees hitters pressing, it's over

Hustla23
11-02-2009, 08:04 PM
I wonder if the Yankees will feel sympathetic and let the poor Phillies win a game just so they're not embarrassed for getting swept on their own field.

That would be a "classy" thing to do

iggypop123
11-02-2009, 08:09 PM
^ DieHardColtsfan --> How are you a Yankees/Knicks fan but also a Flyers fan? I feel like you cant be fans of a Philly team and a NY team?? And the Colts???

This will be a good game tonight, good pitching matchup. Cole Hammels and Brad Lidge might as well not even go to these games...

seriously that shouldn be allowed. like the many SF giants fans that like the lakers. seriously people wtf is wrong with those people

MelanconMadness
11-02-2009, 08:11 PM
WEre not a "generous" ballclub. Well win 27-0 if we can.

IRUAM #21
11-02-2009, 08:25 PM
seriously that shouldn be allowed. like the many SF giants fans that like the lakers. seriously people wtf is wrong with those people

I've noticed a lot of Yankee/Lakers/Packers fans :confused:

thewupk
11-02-2009, 08:41 PM
lol @ Guillen. Jeter is better than Ruth

MelanconMadness
11-02-2009, 08:49 PM
27 outs to number 27

bullocks
11-02-2009, 09:02 PM
i know its early but lee looks kinda off tonite

MelanconMadness
11-02-2009, 09:03 PM
Lee doesn't look off, it's the same stuff, the Yankees just aren't chasing them (thus far)

MelanconMadness
11-02-2009, 09:05 PM
Arod for MVP

bullocks
11-02-2009, 09:05 PM
a-rod's at it again :P

Westbrook36
11-02-2009, 09:12 PM
Ugh not looking good..

bullocks
11-02-2009, 09:15 PM
only the 1st inning.

cano is in the worst slump :(

plus two big bats are out of the lineup tonite. posada and matsui.

badkins1121
11-02-2009, 09:17 PM
3-1 Phils :D

i.got.the.nutz
11-02-2009, 09:18 PM
Damn Utley is clutch

YankeeFan28
11-02-2009, 09:18 PM
Utley is a monster

Dark Donnie
11-02-2009, 09:19 PM
That's why Utley is the . first HR for The Phils with a man on.


Burnett is a hand killer...broke Werth's wirst before.

YankeeFan28
11-02-2009, 09:20 PM
That's why Utley is the . first HR for The Phils with a man on.


Burnett is a hand killer...broke Werth's wirst before.

I think a guy bunting is opt to be a lot closer to the plate. Quite unfortunate though

i.got.the.nutz
11-02-2009, 09:20 PM
That was a strike-

TheRuckus
11-02-2009, 09:28 PM
a-rod's at it again :P

So is Utley. ;)

donnie23
11-02-2009, 09:28 PM
Lousy start for AJ, lucky to settle down and get out of it.

Fred
11-02-2009, 09:49 PM
shane is hurt

i.got.the.nutz
11-02-2009, 10:10 PM
Phillies should sit Cliff Lee.

Zaunnie
11-02-2009, 10:11 PM
suck it burnett.

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 10:14 PM
Happiest man in America right now? Joe Buck.

bullocks
11-02-2009, 10:15 PM
thank god the yanks won last night

i usually dont say this, but this games over. yanks in 6 anyways.

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 10:16 PM
Gotta be honest, assuming the Yankees don't come back, this is probably going 7 games. Cannot imagine Andy pitching well on short rest.

YankeeFan28
11-02-2009, 10:22 PM
Over/Under on how many Yankees will choke/2004 threads

bullocks
11-02-2009, 10:23 PM
andy's a battler tho. hell battle and give it his all. burnett is just shaky. once he loses it hes done.

it was the right move to start him tho. first i wanted gaudin to start but u gotta drive the nail in the coffin when u can and burnett was our best choice.

oak2455
11-02-2009, 11:17 PM
andy's a battler tho. hell battle and give it his all. burnett is just shaky. once he loses it hes done.

it was the right move to start him tho. first i wanted gaudin to start but u gotta drive the nail in the coffin when u can and burnett was our best choice.

I agree, plus this game isnt over still have some sort of run and G*d forbid if we can get into that pullpen:pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:

oak2455
11-02-2009, 11:18 PM
andy's a battler tho. hell battle and give it his all. burnett is just shaky. once he loses it hes done.

it was the right move to start him tho. first i wanted gaudin to start but u gotta drive the nail in the coffin when u can and burnett was our best choice.

Plus Gaudin hasnt pitched in a year......really a month

GoatMilk
11-02-2009, 11:33 PM
utley is something else

wow.

tied Reggie Jackson for most HR in a World Series

Twins Fan 7
11-02-2009, 11:36 PM
Is Chase Utley human?

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 11:36 PM
I hope we don't pitch to Utley next game, especially with Howard after him.

Dark Donnie
11-02-2009, 11:38 PM
Is Chase Utley human?

No he is not:)


I hope we don't pitch to Utley next game, especially with Howard after him.

He's gonna break that K record. I guess he has to connect on one eventually.

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 11:39 PM
I hope Lee pitches a complete game.

GoatMilk
11-02-2009, 11:39 PM
lol phil coke blows

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 11:40 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, Phill Coke!

IRUAM #21
11-02-2009, 11:40 PM
lmao at that sad *** song they played.

Dark Donnie
11-02-2009, 11:40 PM
I hope Lee pitches a complete game.

he'll probably come out now.

i.got.the.nutz
11-02-2009, 11:44 PM
Utley is ridiculous

Jerms
11-02-2009, 11:44 PM
And people wondered why Joe suddenly started going with Marte..

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 11:44 PM
#rallycaps

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 11:47 PM
Why is Lee still throwing?

bullocks
11-02-2009, 11:48 PM
Maybe to rest Phillies bullpen.

Atleast Lee's done for the series.

Hustla23
11-02-2009, 11:49 PM
haha Burnett is as consistent as Ron Artest's vocabulary.

nithanyo
11-02-2009, 11:51 PM
They should pull Lee, and keep him in the pen for the rest of the series. Especially with the phillies pen being pretty prutal

GoatMilk
11-02-2009, 11:52 PM
charlie should have brought in Francisco for Ibanez, not Victorino

hahahahahah

classic philly implosion right here

iggypop123
11-02-2009, 11:52 PM
should have rested him

NYK|NYY
11-02-2009, 11:52 PM
Are they taking requests? Lidge please

Fins4Life
11-02-2009, 11:54 PM
Comeback special coming up

Fins4Life
11-02-2009, 11:55 PM
o yea, chan ho, i smell food!

Dark Donnie
11-02-2009, 11:56 PM
Maybe to rest Phillies bullpen.

Atleast Lee's done for the series.

If it go tto 7 Lee can pitch. They already said he could throw instead of his scheduled side session on Thursday. About 40-50 pitches.

iggypop123
11-03-2009, 12:00 AM
to think people actually demanded matt kemp for cano. lol

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 12:18 AM
Oh boy, this thing is not over.

NYK|NYY
11-03-2009, 12:18 AM
Alright Mr. Clutch lets see what you got.

i.got.the.nutz
11-03-2009, 12:19 AM
DAMN! I thought this game was over

NYK|NYY
11-03-2009, 12:19 AM
Lidge is getting up! So close.

Sportfan
11-03-2009, 12:20 AM
I bet the Phillies FO is calling up the sox right after the game for Papelbon's price

Sportfan
11-03-2009, 12:21 AM
double play!

EaglesJackson10
11-03-2009, 12:21 AM
There will be suicides in the Philly area if they blew a 6 run lead in 2 innings. I might be one of them.

NYK|NYY
11-03-2009, 12:21 AM
Frustrating.

bomber0104
11-03-2009, 12:21 AM
he is so clutch

EaglesJackson10
11-03-2009, 12:21 AM
I bet the Phillies FO is calling up the sox right after the game for Papelbon's price

I hope so even though i dislike him. I certainly wouldnt mind him on the phils.

Sportfan
11-03-2009, 12:22 AM
1 more strike

BTownTeamsRKing
11-03-2009, 12:24 AM
I hope so even though i dislike him. I certainly wouldnt mind him on the phils.

we will give u JD Drew with Pap, if we get Werth in return. that man is a monster.

Sportfan
11-03-2009, 12:24 AM
If it go tto 7 Lee can pitch. They already said he could throw instead of his scheduled side session on Thursday. About 40-50 pitches.
Nope. They needed to limit him to under 100 pitches for him to even throw an inning Game 7. He threw 112, it'd be very risky to give him an inning or 2

Sportfan
11-03-2009, 12:25 AM
we will give u JD Drew with Pap, if we get Werth in return. that man is a monster.
:facepalm:

Sportfan
11-03-2009, 12:26 AM
Game 7 is coming. Book it

iggypop123
11-03-2009, 12:28 AM
yankees had it they choked. at least for them a philly lead is never safe its almost like lets hope we win out

Dark Donnie
11-03-2009, 12:28 AM
My ****ing heart :(

VenezuelanMet
11-03-2009, 12:30 AM
THANK ****ING GOD.

I would have gone insane if we had another 5 game WS. Go to seven.

NYK|NYY
11-03-2009, 12:30 AM
Well, I enjoy Phillies bullpen.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 12:31 AM
They live another day. Epic, epic, epic game. There's only been 5 games, but this has been the best series since 01. With that, Pedro got it done once, and the Yankees won't let him get away with it again, even though we won that game

i.got.the.nutz
11-03-2009, 12:32 AM
I don't see Pedro having another night like he did in game 2

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 12:33 AM
yankees had it they choked. at least for them a philly lead is never safe its almost like lets hope we win out
How did the Yankees have it? They were down the entire game other than before the Phillies had an at bat in the 1st inning.

iggypop123
11-03-2009, 12:36 AM
How did the Yankees have it? They were down the entire game other than before the Phillies had an at bat in the 1st inning.

1st and third with 0 outs the phillies scambling to find a releiver with texiera and arod potentially up. DP ruined it

PhillyForLife90
11-03-2009, 12:36 AM
Not over yet...man this has been one insane series. I have a feeling its going to go up to seven games.

DieHardColtsfan
11-03-2009, 12:36 AM
This damn stress is unbearable..

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 12:37 AM
1st and third with 0 outs the phillies scambling to find a releiver with texiera and arod potentially up. DP ruined it
That's not choking, it happens. They had a good hitter at the plate that gets the job done a lot, but you can't always get it done. What can you do.

Now, when I think of "choking" I think of a major blow - The Mets collapsing or the Yankees in 2004.

VenezuelanMet
11-03-2009, 12:38 AM
Derek Jeter has failed America, how could he GIDP in such a crucial situation?

NYK|NYY
11-03-2009, 12:39 AM
I can take solace in the fact that the Yankees probably win this game if Aj matches Lee, not that it helps any.

GoatMilk
11-03-2009, 12:41 AM
bottom line, Phil Coke sucks.

those 2 HR were the game

what a goon

NYK|NYY
11-03-2009, 12:41 AM
Hopefully the threat of a late Yankee rally tempers the 2004 references over the next day or so.

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 12:42 AM
1st and third with 0 outs the phillies scambling to find a releiver with texiera and arod potentially up. DP ruined it
:pity:

Great game, :cheers:.

One at a time boys. I have a good feeling about this.

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 12:42 AM
This damn stress is unbearable..
Not gonna lie, I'm pretty happy I'm not a fan of either team, or I'd be dead by now.

DieHardColtsfan
11-03-2009, 12:44 AM
Not gonna lie, I'm pretty happy I'm not a fan of either team, or I'd be dead by now.

LOL, feeling like Cole Hamels right now.

bullocks
11-03-2009, 12:50 AM
would have rather lost 8-2 then be teased like that.

****ing phill coke fml!

Mr. October
11-03-2009, 12:51 AM
I don't see Pedro having another night like he did in game 2

Considering Lee wasn't Lee-esque tonight, I'd agree although it seems Pedro thrives on moments like this.

It would be pretty great to win it against Pedro. Maybe its fate?

ILikeThePhils
11-03-2009, 12:52 AM
That's not choking, it happens. They had a good hitter at the plate that gets the job done a lot, but you can't always get it done. What can you do.

Now, when I think of "choking" I think of a major blow - The Mets collapsing or the Yankees in 2004.


or Jonathan Broxton

732_Franchise
11-03-2009, 12:52 AM
I knew the Phillies were gonna take tonight I didn't think any less despite the late rally but make no mistake Game 6 in the bronx behind the Hall Of Fame arm of Andy Pettitte & Sandman Rivera this series will end. Give props to the Philadelphia Phillies they are taking this to the next level of rallying but I believe this will end Wednesday.

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 12:53 AM
or Jonathan Broxton
Twice.

DieHardColtsfan
11-03-2009, 12:53 AM
I knew the Phillies were gonna take tonight I didn't think any less despite the late rally but make no mistake Game 6 in the bronx behind the Hall Of Fame arm of Andy Pettitte & Sandman Rivera this series will end. Give props to the Philadelphia Phillies they are taking this to the next level of rallying but I believe this will end Wednesday.

Bro I sure hope your right!

GoatMilk
11-03-2009, 12:55 AM
are you guys really bagging on Broxton?

cmon.

SMFH


anyways, Pettite wont be playoff Pettite in game 6.
Phils have a GREAT shot if Pedro can stay with him.

More-Than-Most
11-03-2009, 12:57 AM
What a crazy series... Not sure how much more my heart can take... These 2 teams could end up playing against each other this time next year as well.

GoatMilk
11-03-2009, 01:00 AM
What a crazy series... Not sure how much more my heart can take... These 2 teams could end up playing against each other this time next year as well.

no

More-Than-Most
11-03-2009, 01:00 AM
Considering Lee wasn't Lee-esque tonight, I'd agree although it seems Pedro thrives on moments like this.

It would be pretty great to win it against Pedro. Maybe its fate?


Maybe... But this may be Padro last time to get back at his daddy for all the child abuse. Also look for Werth/Pettite matchup again.

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 01:03 AM
no
Uh, very possible. Each team will have similar teams next year.

ILikeThePhils
11-03-2009, 01:05 AM
He probably thinks the Dodgers will find a way to beat the Phillies in 2010.

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 01:07 AM
He probably thinks the Dodgers will find a way to beat the Phillies in 2010.
That's also possible.

PrettyBoyJ
11-03-2009, 01:27 AM
Yankees gonna win tomorrow.. Look like Johnny Damon ir Arod might take MVP

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 01:28 AM
Yankees gonna win tomorrow.. Look like Johnny Damon ir Arod might take MVP
Or CC..Or Rivera.

koldjerky
11-03-2009, 01:29 AM
Uh, very possible. Each team will have similar teams next year.

Yeah, he thinks the Dodgers will finally beat them in the NLCS.

koldjerky
11-03-2009, 01:29 AM
Or CC..Or Rivera.

or Utley or Lee?

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 01:31 AM
Burnett’s pitching line – 2 innings, 6 earned runs, 4 hits, 2 walks, and a hit batsman – ranks among the worst in Series history, in duration and ineffectiveness. Only two pitchers – Russ Ortiz(notes) of the 2002 Giants and Mordecai Brown of the 1906 Cubs – have given up more runs in as short a stint. His start was the shortest by anyone since Roger Clemens(notes) lasted only two innings for Houston in Game 1 in 2005 because of a bad hamstring.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ge-burnettgamefive110209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

732_Franchise
11-03-2009, 01:34 AM
are you guys really bagging on Broxton?

cmon.

SMFH


anyways, Pettite wont be playoff Pettite in game 6.
Phils have a GREAT shot if Pedro can stay with him.



Pettitte will show up this is whut he's about trust me be worried.

koldjerky
11-03-2009, 01:37 AM
Pettitte will show up this is whut he's about trust me be worried.

Like Burnett was?

I'm not saying he can't, but Jesus, you guys are way over confident.

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 01:38 AM
Like Burnett was?

I'm not saying he can't, but Jesus, you guys are way over confident.
I've certainly seen a lot of over confidence from people in this series.

I don't understand why anyone wants to talk trash. They look so bad if/when they're wrong in the end.

CityofTreez
11-03-2009, 02:02 AM
Thank God

-Mark Texiera- Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chase Utley own the YanKMe's :clap::clap::clap:

732_Franchise
11-03-2009, 02:03 AM
Like Burnett was?

I'm not saying he can't, but Jesus, you guys are way over confident.



Your wrong I didn't expect Burnett to win tonight check my previous posting but if its anybody in this situation who I trust it is the best pitcher yet winning pitcher in MLB Playoff history with 17 wins Andy Pettitte.

732_Franchise
11-03-2009, 02:08 AM
I've certainly seen a lot of over confidence from people in this series.

I don't understand why anyone wants to talk trash. They look so bad if/when they're wrong in the end.


See Tragedy that's the thing I'm not trash talking I am just making my point known I have more faith in Pettitte in this situation than anyone else he has done this many times before. Going against Pedro will just elevate his mechanics especially playing at home this will be a game no doubt I just think Pettitte will finish it.

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 02:11 AM
See Tragedy that's the thing I'm not trash talking I am just making my point known I have more faith in Pettitte in this situation than anyone else he has done this many times before. Going against Pedro will just elevate his mechanics especially playing at home this will be a game no doubt I just think Pettitte will finish it.
Oh, I wasn't specifically talking about you..Or anyone for that matter. Just generalized.

kyubi256
11-03-2009, 02:28 AM
Cliff Lee is seriously showing why he's gonna enjoy this offseason... that contract extension talk will be so exciting for him!

Though his line wasn't so good... it was 8-2 in the 8th inning before he gave up the 3 runs. He probably got tired or allowed more error to get through the inning

732_Franchise
11-03-2009, 02:34 AM
Oh, I wasn't specifically talking about you..Or anyone for that matter. Just generalized.



Oh I know one person that dude "oak#" he was in the game 4 thread page 31 I think just braggin about 2nite saying its over just completely over looking Cliff Lee likes he's from the pirates or something kind of pissed me off.

732_Franchise
11-03-2009, 02:36 AM
Cliff Lee is seriously showing why he's gonna enjoy this offseason... that contract extension talk will be so exciting for him!

Though his line wasn't so good... it was 8-2 in the 8th inning before he gave up the 3 runs. He probably got tired or allowed more error to get through the inning


Oh yeah def congrats to cliff lee tonight he shut my yanks down hes a beast but how much per year ur thinkin he is worth? I'm think Johan Santana type money.

kyubi256
11-03-2009, 02:43 AM
Oh yeah def congrats to cliff lee tonight he shut my yanks down hes a beast but how much per year ur thinkin he is worth? I'm think Johan Santana type money.

Being 31 I don't think he'd get Johan deal... especially since he isn't coming with Johan's history (close but not there). The age would hurt him for Johan money... cause he is getting away from his prime.

I think he can safely expect AJ Burnett money, maybe even a little better.

5 years 90M

732_Franchise
11-03-2009, 02:56 AM
Being 31 I don't think he'd get Johan deal... especially since he isn't coming with Johan's history (close but not there). The age would hurt him for Johan money... cause he is getting away from his prime.

I think he can safely expect AJ Burnett money, maybe even a little better.

5 years 90M


You know whut I didn't even think about his age to be honest damn he's 31? Yikes! Well I wouldn't say end of his prime look at whut Mussina did for us in his last year or Pettitte being 37 now?

GoatMilk
11-03-2009, 03:52 AM
Uh, very possible. Each team will have similar teams next year.

of course, but 2007 showed us anything can happen

lol why are we talking about next year's WS
this one has been fantastic

bullocks
11-03-2009, 04:37 AM
Like Burnett was?

I'm not saying he can't, but Jesus, you guys are way over confident.

I hope your not comparing Burnett to Pettite when it comes to composure and post season pressure.

I think most NY fans knew the Phills would win tonite with Lee going. It's just disappointing because Lee wasn't that strong.

Ralf Jones
11-03-2009, 08:32 AM
I've certainly seen a lot of over confidence from people in this series.

I don't understand why anyone wants to talk trash. They look so bad if/when they're wrong in the end.

pretty much..with trash talk from both sides the only certainty is that one side is gonna look stupid in the end.
Although the yankees lost.they didn't go withering into the night.they made it exciting at the end.and i think that'l' carry over for them into game 6.should be another interesting game

waffles
11-03-2009, 09:32 AM
Or CC..Or Rivera.
or Chase Utley.

The series isn't over, and as much as I love Pettitte and CC on the mound over the next two game, anything can happen. Pettitte seemed really exhausted after grinding out his last start and now he's starting on three days rest.

Eh, who knows? It will be very exciting.

NYK|NYY
11-03-2009, 11:03 AM
This is going seven, just has that feel.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 11:14 AM
No intellegent Yankee fan went into game 5 confident we would take it over cliff lee. But Pedro is far far far different from cliff lee, and you saw first hand what we did to cliff lee the 2nd time around as opposed to game 1. Pettitte on 3 days rest is a little scary, any Yankees fan will be a little worried, but pettitte on 3 days rest is still better than Pedro on full, especially with a dh

as for MVP

Yankees: arod or mariano
phillies: chase utley

koldjerky
11-03-2009, 11:41 AM
I hope your not comparing Burnett to Pettite when it comes to composure and post season pressure.

I think most NY fans knew the Phills would win tonite with Lee going. It's just disappointing because Lee wasn't that strong.

Ok, well how about the same Andy Pettite that saw his ERA skyrocket after his last outing?

Pedro has been nothing short of exceptional, considering his expectations, this post season and his "playoff composure" shouldn't be overlooked either. i don't care where he is pitching, with the way he is pitching I'm not so sure to write this game off either.

koldjerky
11-03-2009, 11:44 AM
No intellegent Yankee fan went into game 5 confident we would take it over cliff lee. But Pedro is far far far different from cliff lee, and you saw first hand what we did to cliff lee the 2nd time around as opposed to game 1. Pettitte on 3 days rest is a little scary, any Yankees fan will be a little worried, but pettitte on 3 days rest is still better than Pedro on full, especially with a dh

as for MVP

Yankees: arod or mariano
phillies: chase utley

i don't see where you get that? How do you want to compare that? The only thing Pettite has on Pedro right now is that he pitched a whole season. Pedro has pitched as well, if not better than Pettite this post season.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 12:03 PM
Pedro has 2 starts pettitte had 4. 3 of which against AL teams. And yes it's because pettitte has pitched the whole season, while Pedro hasn't proved much of anything since he left Boston.

I also forgot to mention that Burnett is now available in the pen and apparently demanded that he is the first pitcher Joe turns to in the bullpen whether it's 3 innings or 3 pitches.

Tragedy
11-03-2009, 12:05 PM
No intellegent Yankee fan went into game 5 confident we would take it over cliff lee. But Pedro is far far far different from cliff lee, and you saw first hand what we did to cliff lee the 2nd time around as opposed to game 1. Pettitte on 3 days rest is a little scary, any Yankees fan will be a little worried, but pettitte on 3 days rest is still better than Pedro on full, especially with a dh

as for MVP

Yankees: arod or mariano
phillies: chase utley
Andy historically is not good on 3 days rest, and Pedro proved to be very, very good in Game 2. Have confidence that the Yankees are going to win, that's fine, but don't act like Pedro sucks.

BTownTeamsRKing
11-03-2009, 12:15 PM
Pedro vs. the yankees again.

first time was a draw. (yes i know yankees won, but Pedro was fooling them all night. the phillies couldn't hit a damn thing)

Go Pedro!

oak2455
11-03-2009, 12:18 PM
Andy historically is not good on 3 days rest, and Pedro proved to be very, very good in Game 2. Have confidence that the Yankees are going to win, that's fine, but don't act like Pedro sucks.

Listen we are going to see on Wednesday, but I do think the Yankees take it on Wednesday..... Listen Pedro was great in game two but Jorgie will be playing instead of Molina BIG difference in the lineup....and Pedro will be out by the 4th, then comes the Philly Bullpen:jumpy::jumpy::jumpy::jumpy::jumpy::jumpy:: jumpy::jumpy::jumpy::jumpy:

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 12:22 PM
Andy historically is not good on 3 days rest, and Pedro proved to be very, very good in Game 2. Have confidence that the Yankees are going to win, that's fine, but don't act like Pedro sucks.

AJ Burnett was 4-0 with a 2 era on 3 days rest. It literally means nothing.

No one said Pedro sucks, but looking at pettittes 2 starts against the angels, and even the one against the phillies when he said he didn't have it because of the delay, I would take those 3 starts over pedros 2. If thr ump makes the right call in the Pedro game, it's based loaded, 1 out with teix and arod up, so 3 eR in 6 innings could have been 5 eR

VRP723
11-03-2009, 12:27 PM
Chase Utley should be MVP no matter who wins

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 12:34 PM
Chase Utley should be MVP no matter who wins
I would agree, but A-Rod does deserve some credit.

MooseWithFleas
11-03-2009, 12:37 PM
No intellegent Yankee fan went into game 5 confident we would take it over cliff lee. But Pedro is far far far different from cliff lee, and you saw first hand what we did to cliff lee the 2nd time around as opposed to game 1. Pettitte on 3 days rest is a little scary, any Yankees fan will be a little worried, but pettitte on 3 days rest is still better than Pedro on full, especially with a dh

as for MVP

Yankees: arod or mariano
phillies: chase utley

And you saw what we did to Burnett the 2nd time around as opposed to game 1. I'd like to mention that Lee was still fantastic in 7 innings of work, he started to run out of gas in the 8th but Chollie stretched him because it was a must win and our BP has been shaky to say the least.

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 12:50 PM
No intellegent Yankee fan went into game 5 confident we would take it over cliff lee. But Pedro is far far far different from cliff lee, and you saw first hand what we did to cliff lee the 2nd time around as opposed to game 1. Pettitte on 3 days rest is a little scary, any Yankees fan will be a little worried, but pettitte on 3 days rest is still better than Pedro on full, especially with a dh

as for MVP

Yankees: arod or mariano
phillies: chase utley
Oh come on. Lee pitched 7 Solid innings of 2 run baseball. It would've been 1 run, but Howard had a WTF moment, and didn't hold Hinske at third.

He got stretched into the 8th for obvious reasons and that's why his line looks "good" and not "great". But he dominated, again. On the other hand, Burnett....not so much.

Yanks All Day
11-03-2009, 12:55 PM
The Yankees need to do a better job of swinging at fastballs early against Pedro this time around, and laying off the off-speed pitches later in the counts that dip out of the zone. If Pedro gets ahead in counts, it is going to be a long night. But if they swing at good pitches and work Pedro to about 95 pitches in 6 innings and dip into the bullpen earlier, I like the Yankees chances.

Conversely, Andy Pettitte needs to attack the Phillies early in the count and AVOID CHASE UTLEY. Ryan Howard looks like he can't hit a ball off a tee lately, and Utley is hitting the ball out of the park regularly. Why wouldn't you pitch around Utley, or at least very, very carefully?

I think the Yankees score early, go cold for 3-4 innings, and win late. Maybe score 2 or 3 in the 7th and take the game 5-3, with Mariano closing out the first World Series in the New Yankee Stadium.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 01:18 PM
Burnett is on off all season. And lee wasn't dominant. He pitched a good game, but he was hittable last night, we just couldn't score.

Pedro also faced Molina 3 or 4 times. You think posada is Molina? I don't think Pedro will give up 10 runs, but I can def see him give up 4 or 5 in 5 innings. All pettitte had to go is 6 and joba/marte can pitch the 7th and Mariano for 2. Pettitte has been in this spot many timed, maybe not 3 days rest, but the overreaction of how that makes a difference is ridiculous. When you know this is the last game you pitch, possibly of your career for pettitte, it doesn't matter if it's 3 days or 100

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 01:21 PM
Jeter
Damon (now hitting)
teixiera
rodriguez (now hitting)
posada
matsui
swisher
cano
gardner

Much different than

jeter
Damon (struggling)
teixiera
rodriguez (struggling)
matsui
cano
hairston
cabrera
Molina

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 01:29 PM
Burnett is on off all season. And lee wasn't dominant. He pitched a good game, but he was hittable last night, we just couldn't score.

Pedro also faced Molina 3 or 4 times. You think posada is Molina? I don't think Pedro will give up 10 runs, but I can def see him give up 4 or 5 in 5 innings. All pettitte had to go is 6 and joba/marte can pitch the 7th and Mariano for 2. Pettitte has been in this spot many timed, maybe not 3 days rest, but the overreaction of how that makes a difference is ridiculous. When you know this is the last game you pitch, possibly of your career for pettitte, it doesn't matter if it's 3 days or 100
Hittable? Besides that 8th inning, he allowed only 5 hits :confused:

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 01:44 PM
10 strkeouts against 27 outs. 3 strikeouts againstd 21 outs

yes, he was hittable in game 5 compared to game 1.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 01:49 PM
And why are you discounting an inning? He still pitched in the 8th, it wasn't an illusion. If he didn't think he had what it took to go back out there in the 8th, Charlie would have went to the pen. If Phil coke didn't give up 2 home runs it would have been 6-5. If Burnett didn't have a bad 1st and 3rd inning we may have won.

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 01:59 PM
10 strkeouts against 27 outs. 3 strikeouts againstd 21 outs

yes, he was hittable in game 5 compared to game 1.

I didn't know you meant hittable as in people hitting the ball, even if they were outs. You can still be dominant and not strike out a lot of guys, can's you? He dominated through 7, plain and simple, why can't you guys just acknowledge that and have to try and downplay it?


And why are you discounting an inning? He still pitched in the 8th, it wasn't an illusion. If he didn't think he had what it took to go back out there in the 8th, Charlie would have went to the pen. If Phil coke didn't give up 2 home runs it would have been 6-5. If Burnett didn't have a bad 1st and 3rd inning we may have won.

Haha, that's not the same.

I'll be the first one to agree that the "IF" game is ridiculous, but in this case, it applies. As soon as he walked Hinske and then Jeter singled to right, he should've been out of that game, our bullpen has been struggling so Charlie had the need to stretch him. No way in HELL, any other Manager in any situation, leaves a pitcher who is obviously tired and a lefty, face the best hitter on the other team who is a righty (A-Rod) with the chance to put the opposing team back in the game with one swing of the bat, but Charlie did, what does that tell you?

CityofTreez
11-03-2009, 02:03 PM
If Burnett didn't have a bad 1st and 3rd inning we may have won.

Rules for no argument!

nyyfan4life
11-03-2009, 02:06 PM
Rules for no argument!

Read his entire response in context and you will understand.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 02:12 PM
So blame it on thr bullpen or Charlie, don't discount the Yankees offense because lee struggled. He pitched 9 the other night and gave up a hit with 0 outs in a 4 run game. Same as the 8th inning last night. He also threw 20 more pitches in game 1. Not to mention the Yankees have been comeback kids all season, they attack pitchers after 1 or 2 times through a lineup. That's their game, don't discount the Yankees offense for what they have done all season. Don't use the excuse that if he didn't pitch the 8th he was dominant. His line was 7 innings, 5 ER, 3 strikeouts, and 3 walks vgood game,but not dominant no matter how you try and pass off excuses

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 02:13 PM
So blame it on thr bullpen or Charlie, don't discount the Yankees offense because lee struggled. He pitched 9 the other night and gave up a hit with 0 outs in a 4 run game. Same as the 8th inning last night. He also threw 20 more pitches in game 1. Not to mention the Yankees have been comeback kids all season, they attack pitchers after 1 or 2 times through a lineup. That's their game, don't discount the Yankees offense for what they have done all season. Don't use the excuse that if he didn't pitch the 8th he was dominant. His line was 7 innings, 5 ER, 3 strikeouts, and 3 walks vgood game,but not dominant no matter how you try and pass off excuses
kthxbye.

MooseWithFleas
11-03-2009, 02:15 PM
^^ That's about how I felt when reading this.

CityofTreez
11-03-2009, 02:18 PM
Read his entire response in context and you will understand.

I know. I did, and i disregarded everything the minute he said: if, may, would of won.

bringinwood
11-03-2009, 02:24 PM
Pettitte hasn't pitched on 3 days rest since 06... That's what was said on the postgame show...

The way Pedro has been pitching this postseason and not being sure what you are going to get out of Pettitte on 3 days rest ??? I'm more confident with Pedro... He's more of a sure thing...

Not only that, after Shane got plunked last night, the Phils seemed to wake up... Same thing happened last year in the Dodgers series when Kuroda threw at Vic's head...

They may have awoken a sleeping giant...
If Howard finds his swing between now and tomorrow... It could be an interesting 2 games...

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 02:30 PM
Well then it's now official. If you feel like the manager should take a pitcher out because your bullpen sucks, any runs given up after that should now be disregarded. Thanks for clearing that up guys

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm glad you feel more comfortable about a guy who shut down an nl style lineup and had them chasing pitched well out of the strikezone and got outpitched by a guy that got shelled for 5 runs in 3 innings, well 3 runs in 2 innings since the new ruling is that earned runs don't count when uou believe the manager should take out the pitcher for someone in the bullpen but can't because there is no one better to put in

TheRuckus
11-03-2009, 02:35 PM
Christ, people are acting like Pettitte is the second coming of Christy Matthewson.

-He gave up four runs in six innings in Game 3.
-He's going on short rest for the first time this year.
-His career postseason ERA is near 4. Not terrible, but not OMFG HE IZ TEH GRATEST OF ALL TYEM.

For those who would retort with anecdotes of Pettitte's magical, mystical dominance in the playoffs, I submit the following games:

2001 World Series, Game 6: Pettitte had a chance to clinch the Yankees' fifth championship in six seasons. Instead, he gave up six runs in two innings and the Yankees lost 15-2.
2002 ALDS, Game 2: Pettite could have given the Yankees a 2-0 lead against the Angels with a solid performance. Instead, he allowed four runs in three innings.
2003 ALCS, Game 6: Another clinching game. Pettitte allowed four runs in five innings.

Bottom line- you may feel confident with Pettitte on the mound in a potential clincher. That's entirely your prerogative. It is mine to recall that we're talking about a guy whose regular season and postseason career numbers are pretty goddamn similar, so he has no mythical power to dominate in the playoffs.

It's by no means impossible or even improbable that Pettitte pitches great tomorrow and wins it for the Yankees. But some people need to stop acting like it's a ****ing certainty.

donnie23
11-03-2009, 02:40 PM
I don't think either pitcher will be dominant. I expect it to be a bullpen game.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 02:45 PM
I think more people are acting like Pedro pitching a gem tomorrow is more of a certainty than people saying so of pettitte. Like I sad before, all pettitte has to give us is 6 innings of us being at all in the game and the Yankees would win. Last time I checked there wasn't a thread made about how "unreal" pettitte is

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 02:59 PM
I don't think either pitcher will be dominant. I expect it to be a bullpen game.
I don't know who should be more nervous when that happens, Yankees or Phillies :ohno:

Except when it gets to the ninth, we have to keep :ohno: while you guys let out a :sigh: of relief

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Sadly there is no "more nervous" when it comes to our bullpens. Every Yankee and phillies fan, believer or not will be kneeling on the ground praying to anyone who will listen when the bullpens are to be used around the 6th or 7th for both teams. Only bright spot in both pens, thank god, plays for the Yankees, and he will be able to pitch at least 2 innings, and from what I hear, he may be able to go I'm the 7th

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 03:32 PM
Bare with me as this does not have much merit, though it still has some merit in my opinion as well as a few "experts". Not much but some nonetheless. Technically, pedro is throwing on short rest as well as pettitte. Pedro hasn't pitched on 5 days rest since september 30th. Pitching on 5 days rest for most of august and all of September, then sitting for about 10 days, pitching, then another 12, and pitching. This MAY hurt him, as his body may have gotten used to the long rest over the last month. I'm not saying it will impact him, but it may

donnie23
11-03-2009, 03:44 PM
^makes sense, like I said, I don't think either will be sharp. I give the edge to the Yanks in a bullpen game based on one man, the hammer of God!

TheRuckus
11-03-2009, 04:26 PM
Fair enough. What fans of both teams need to keep in mind is that any pitcher on any given night can be beaten. Even Rivera has a few huge blown saves on his resume.

I could see ANYTHING happening tomorrow night, and Thursday night if it does go 7. All bets are off at this stage. I'll say this much: we may not win this time, but this World Series has been much more entertaining (and nerve-wracking) than last year's.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 04:39 PM
It's been better than 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997

it's as even as you can possibly get

donnie23
11-03-2009, 04:40 PM
Fair enough. What fans of both teams need to keep in mind is that any pitcher on any given night can be beaten. Even Rivera has a few huge blown saves on his resume.

I could see ANYTHING happening tomorrow night, and Thursday night if it does go 7. All bets are off at this stage. I'll say this much: we may not win this time, but this World Series has been much more entertaining (and nerve-wracking) than last year's.

Of course anything can happen, but I'm a homer and thus I'm picking the Yanks.

donnie23
11-03-2009, 04:41 PM
It's been better than 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2000, 1999, 1998, 1997

it's as even as you can possibly get

'02 was pretty good, as was '97.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 04:46 PM
2002 was good, but I still think this one has been better. Same for 97

i.got.the.nutz
11-03-2009, 04:58 PM
Fair enough. What fans of both teams need to keep in mind is that any pitcher on any given night can be beaten. Even Rivera has a few huge blown saves on his resume.

I could see ANYTHING happening tomorrow night, and Thursday night if it does go 7. All bets are off at this stage. I'll say this much: we may not win this time, but this World Series has been much more entertaining (and nerve-wracking) than last year's.

This

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 05:26 PM
Heyman is making a big deal about the phillies "stealing" signs. Everyteam does this when you have a runner at 2nd for a good amount of time

YankeeFan28
11-03-2009, 06:13 PM
Heyman is making a big deal about the phillies "stealing" signs. Everyteam does this when you have a runner at 2nd for a good amount of time

Yeah but there's been times that Posada went through multiple signs with no one on base...

dodgerdave
11-03-2009, 07:23 PM
I thought this series was going to be a lot like the 1993 (Phils/Blue Jays) and 2002 World Series (Angels/Giants), where there was a complete explosion of offense from both sides. Although we've seen more offense the last game or two, it certainly is not at the level of the 1993 or 2002 Series.

Strike89
11-03-2009, 07:25 PM
I hate off days, especially after Game 5 turned out to be interesting in the later innings.

Can't wait till tomorrow.

ryguy553
11-03-2009, 07:50 PM
Lol too the guy discounting Lee's performance. The runs directly resulted from a botched ground out, where Jimmy couldn't get the ball out of the webbing of his glove, and a very catchable ball that Ibanez whiffed on (would've been an out if Benny francisco was in the game). Lee still pitched a hell of a game last night without his best stuff.

TheRuckus
11-03-2009, 08:46 PM
Francisco was in the game...just not replacing Ibanez like he should've been. N.B. the awful, awful throw to home. I can understand wanting to sit Vic with the hand thing, but at least put Werth in center, as he's ten times the outfielder Francisco is.

Charlie's decision-making in this series has been pretty bad. I hope it doesn't cost us a repeat.

ryguy553
11-03-2009, 10:00 PM
Francisco was in the game...just not replacing Ibanez like he should've been. N.B. the awful, awful throw to home. I can understand wanting to sit Vic with the hand thing, but at least put Werth in center, as he's ten times the outfielder Francisco is.

Charlie's decision-making in this series has been pretty bad. I hope it doesn't cost us a repeat.

I think it already has. Not pitching Lee in game 4 in my eyes is a mistake that has put them in a real bind.

donnie23
11-03-2009, 11:22 PM
Heyman is making a big deal about the phillies "stealing" signs. Everyteam does this when you have a runner at 2nd for a good amount of time

The accusations are not against players but that the team uses somebody in the OF to relay the signals to the hitter. Sounds far fetched, but Larry Bowa seems to think they do it.

MooseWithFleas
11-03-2009, 11:24 PM
^^^ Oh man, Chollie's interview on that topic was HILARIOUS!

donnie23
11-03-2009, 11:25 PM
^^^ Oh man, Chollie's interview on that topic was HILARIOUS!

All of his interviews are hilarious. The guy is awesome.

MooseWithFleas
11-03-2009, 11:27 PM
Indeed, I would love to have dinner with the guy. Class act and hilarious guy.

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 11:50 PM
Lol too the guy discounting Lee's performance. The runs directly resulted from a botched ground out, where Jimmy couldn't get the ball out of the webbing of his glove, and a very catchable ball that Ibanez whiffed on (would've been an out if Benny francisco was in the game). Lee still pitched a hell of a game last night without his best stuff.

No one is discounting his outing, but to say he had a hell of a game is overstating. No matter how you spin it, he still gave up 5 earned runs over 7 innings. Obviously good enough to win, but not a he'll of a game. Errors and mistake are a human element to the game, it's what makes baseball far from a guarantee unlike the NFL and NBA

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 11:53 PM
The accusations are not against players but that the team uses somebody in the OF to relay the signals to the hitter. Sounds far fetched, but Larry Bowa seems to think they do it.

Yeah i didn't realize that until a few hours ago when a friend of mine at the bar clued me in. I thought francessa and heyman were talking about runners on base. If that story is true, it's not good for baseball, and should be looked into, but bowa could be bitter about the end of his Philly days. Though you could say bowa is also bitter towards the Yankees in regards to Joe torres incident

MelanconMadness
11-03-2009, 11:56 PM
Charlie manuel and mike scoacia (sp) are the 2 best managers in the game, followed by francona. I love charlie and mike, they always seem to make the right calls to win games. I really felt for Charlie when he was on the verge of tears after game 4. I'm glad this team showed fight for him last night

Havoc Wreaker
11-03-2009, 11:56 PM
You just don't get it.

koldjerky
11-03-2009, 11:56 PM
No one is discounting his outing, but to say he had a hell of a game is overstating. No matter how you spin it, he still gave up 5 earned runs over 7 innings. Obviously good enough to win, but not a he'll of a game. Errors and mistake are a human element to the game, it's what makes baseball far from a guarantee unlike the NFL and NBA

But you're the same guy saying Pettite is "ready" for game 6 tomorrow when his last outing (against the same lineup) he gave up 4 earned in 6.

I don't understand how you can be so confident in this guy and basically saying you'd be happy if he gave you the same result because Pedro won't be better than that. He pitched in Yankee stadium before, albeit not against Posada and Swisher.

Apophis
11-04-2009, 12:00 AM
I read in the newspaper that in the other game Philile Fans were throwing coins at the Yankees Outfielders...Whats up with that? (and I am not judging all phillie fans.. ) Whoever did that were idiots..

Here is the article...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2009/11/02/2009-11-02_citizens_bank_park_.html?r=sports%2Fbaseball%2F yankees


PHILADELPHIA - The fans at Citizens Bank Park better be more careful with their money from now on.

Additional security was installed in the outfield for Sunday night's Game 4 after fans spent the early innings of Game 3 on Saturday throwing coins at Yankees outfielders Nick Swisher and Melky Cabrera.

Bonnie Clark, the Phillies' vice president of communications, said in an e-mail message Sunday that the Phillies were advised by umpires and Yankees security during Game 3 that fans were throwing coins at the outfielders.

"We alerted our security people and directed more resources to that area Sunday night after learning of the matter

You can read the rest in the link..

MelanconMadness
11-04-2009, 12:07 AM
Yes pettitte is ready, but I haven't said, and you can check, that pettitte will do anything more that hopefully getting into the 6th for joba/marte then Mariano. Im as confident that pettitte will pitch a good game as I am that Pedro will. They will both likely pitch poorly, and the one who gives up 5 runs instead of 6, will likely win

and yes it was confirmed Philly fans were throwing coins at swisher and melky in games 3 and 4

MelanconMadness
11-04-2009, 12:11 AM
You just don't get it.

No, from the start I got that Charlie only stuck with him because of the bullpen has struggled, but that doesn't make those runs go away. He gave them up, whether it was on him or Charlie. He pitched well enough for his team to win, but if you can discount bad innings because managers trusted them, alot of pitchers in the league would seem much better, Burnett is a good an example of a pitcher that was stretched 1 inning too far during the season

iggypop123
11-04-2009, 12:37 AM
^^^ Oh man, Chollie's interview on that topic was HILARIOUS!

another grady little. you laugh everytime his mouth opens

GoatMilk
11-04-2009, 01:12 AM
ubda ubda ubda we're starting pedro ubda ubda ubda

i hate hearing him talk.

Apophis
11-04-2009, 12:37 PM
I have today's post and the centerfold poster of Pedro is ****in hilarious. LMAO..

But here is the cover...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/69068017.html?cmpid=15585797


Last week, it was Shane Victorino.

Today, it's Pedro Martinez.

The cover of Wednesday's New York Post shows the Phillies' Game 6 starter in a diaper. The headline reads "Spank him, Yanks: Daddy to whup Pedro tonight."

Martinez pitched Game 2 at Yankee Stadium, allowing three earned runs in six-plus innings during the Phillies' 3-1 loss. Fans peppered him with "Who's your daddy?" chants throughout.

Martinez has spoke candidly about pitching at Yankee Stadium and even gave the fans a smile as he left the mound last Thursday.

Before Game 1, the Post mocked Victorino on its cover, calling Philadelphia and its fans "second-rate."

Victorino was pictured in a skirt with the headline "Gotham Trembles: The Frillies are coming to town!"

http://media.philly.com/images/110409_pedronypost_410.jpg

MooseWithFleas
11-04-2009, 12:54 PM
^ :laugh:

MelanconMadness
11-04-2009, 01:01 PM
Peppered him with whose your daddy chants? The only time that was chanted was when Pedro was taken out

NYK|NYY
11-04-2009, 02:15 PM
Crowd better be electric the whole night through