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ko8e24
10-30-2009, 09:44 PM
Where will these 3 future hall of famers end up on the NBA's all time scoring list. I say these 3 players because of the top 30, they are the 3 active ones on the list.

#5-Shaquille O'Neal-Cleveland Cavaliers (28,255 pts)
Former Teams: Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Lakers, Miami Heat, Phoenix Suns

#13-Kobe Bryant-Los Angeles Lakers (25,486 pts)
Former Teams: N/A

#23-Kevin Garnett-Boston Celtics (22,017 pts)
Former Teams: Minnesota Timberwolves

Where will each end up in the rankings, and estimate the amount of points each player will end up with for their careers.

All Time Leaders: Points
Player G FG FT PPG PTS
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 1,560 15,837 6,712 24.6 38,387
2. Karl Malone 1,476 13,528 9,787 25.0 36,928
3. Michael Jordan 1,072 12,192 7,327 30.1 32,292
4. Wilt Chamberlain 1,045 12,681 6,057 30.1 31,419
5. Shaquille O'Neal 1,170 11,196 5,862 24.1 28,255
6. Moses Malone 1,329 9,435 8,531 20.6 27,409
7. Elvin Hayes 1,303 10,976 5,356 21.0 27,313
8. Hakeem Olajuwon 1,238 10,749 5,423 21.8 26,946
9. Oscar Robertson 1,040 9,508 7,694 25.7 26,710
10. Dominique Wilkins 1,074 9,963 6,031 24.8 26,668
11. John Havlicek 1,270 10,513 5,369 20.8 26,395
12. Alex English 1,193 10,659 4,277 21.5 25,613
13. Kobe Bryant 1,008 8,849 6,471 25.3 25,486
14. Reggie Miller 1,389 8,241 6,237 18.2 25,279
15. Jerry West 932 9,016 7,160 27.0 25,192
16. Patrick Ewing 1,183 9,702 5,392 21.0 24,815
17. Allen Iverson 914 8,467 6,375 26.7 24,368
18. Charles Barkley 1,073 8,435 6,349 22.1 23,757
19. Robert Parish 1,611 9,614 4,106 14.5 23,334
20. Adrian Dantley 955 8,169 6,832 24.3 23,177
21. Elgin Baylor 846 8,693 5,763 27.4 23,149
22. Clyde Drexler 1,086 8,335 4,698 20.4 22,195
23. Kevin Garnett 1,107 8,800 4,240 19.9 22,017
24. Gary Payton 1,335 8,708 3,265 16.3 21,813
25. Larry Bird 897 8,591 3,960 24.3 21,791
26. Hal Greer 1,122 8,504 4,578 19.2 21,586
27. Walt Bellamy 1,043 7,914 5,113 20.1 20,941
28. Bob Pettit 792 7,349 6,182 26.4 20,880
29. David Robinson 987 7,365 6,035 21.1 20,790
30. George Gervin 791 8,045 4,541 26.2 20,708

Updated: 03/11/2010 02:22:33

ko8e24
10-30-2009, 10:06 PM
Take these things into consideration

Kevin Garnett-coming back from knee injury, is in his 15th season, and the Celtics have a lot of depth, especially in the front court with the additions of Rasheed Wallace and Shelden Williams, so KG's minutes will be down in the regular season to perhaps be fresh for the playoffs. With Pierce and Ray Ray doin their thing, Rondo being a young up and rising player (he showed wut hez capable of doing in last yrs playoffs against the Baby Bulls), and Sheed's scoring production off the bench, I don't see KG avg more than 15 PPG for the 09-10 season. Don't know if KG will play all 82 games of the regular season. (it'll depend on his knee, as well as Coach Rivers making that decision)

Kobe Bryant-I see his numbers and minutes going down, but still being the #1 option avg at least 25 PPG for the 09-10 season, in his 14th yr (An old 31 yr old), and with a deep squad with the scoring of Pau, and rising star in Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, and the addition of Ron Artest (a more consistent scorer than Ariza). Just like the last 2 yrs, I see Kobe playing all 82 games (not jinxing it)

Allen Iverson-A veteran in his 14th season on a team (1-yr deal) with young guys who love to score like Mayo, Gay and Z-Bo (hez been in the nba for a quile a while now, so he aint that young), and with a young and up and coming guy in Marc Gasol, I see AI avg at the most 19 PPG, again, on a low field goal percentage. Question is, when does he officially play his 1st regular season game as a Memphis Grizzly, and how many games will he actually end up playing for the season?? Answer: 3 games

Now back with the 76ers of Philly in his 2nd stint, but being bothered by knee problems.


Shaquille O'Neal-In his 18th season, final yr of his contract, playing with Lebron James, but he's 37+ yrs old. We don't know if he'll play all 82 games, cuz Mike Brown might do with what Terry Porter/Alvin Gentry did with Shaq last season with the Suns, not making him playing that many back-to-back games. And with Big Z and Varejao backing up Shaq, he won't play major minutes.

sofargone
10-30-2009, 10:09 PM
karl malone will move to 1st cause karl malone wants to

Garnett is bound to go to 22 or 21
kobe will move up into top 10 for sure, the others im not sure, im pretty sure shaq wont go any higher

i.got.the.nutz
10-30-2009, 10:18 PM
Kobe will be in the top 3 when its all said and done. Its only a matter of time.

TheKing23
10-30-2009, 10:38 PM
Kobe will finish top 5 but I can't see him scoring another 10,000 points in his career to move above Jordan ... He would need to average about 24 a game for the next five years, and I can't see that happening... Maybe a few more years of 20+ and he will get top 5 but not top 3. Shaq won't go any higher because of the gap between him and Wilt. KG will be top 15 and AI could get top 10, depending on what he does after this year.

stawka
10-30-2009, 11:13 PM
Kobe will slide into 3rd, 4th or 5th, bumping Shaq into number 6. Iverson and KG won't crack the 10

ko8e24
10-30-2009, 11:55 PM
I will be keeping the scoring list updated every nite after the culmination of all nba games that night.

flea
10-31-2009, 12:00 AM
Lol, why?

TheKing23
10-31-2009, 12:02 AM
Yeah, why? Just do it at the end of the season...

ko8e24
10-31-2009, 01:28 AM
Yeah, why? Just do it at the end of the season...

lol, i dunno, cuz im weird, lol. naw, i prolly do it once in a while, or whenever i feel like it :D

ko8e24
11-05-2009, 02:09 AM
Now that "Mr. Self-less" has officially played a pair of regular season games with the Grizzlies, I have updated the NBA scoring list of the greats: Shaquille O'Neal, Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, and Kevin Garnett. :)

AIverson
11-05-2009, 03:55 AM
Iverson will get to 30,000 for sure.

Don't care too much about the others.

Raph12
11-05-2009, 03:58 AM
AI and Kobe could both get 28000 putting them at 5 and 6, while Shaq will likely stay where he is or drop if Kobe/AI takes over his spot. Kg isn't moving...

ko8e24
11-05-2009, 04:11 AM
Iverson will get to 30,000 for sure.

Don't care too much about the others.

oh how innocent u are.

i dont see AI playing beyond prolly 2010-2011 (and thats being generous)


he's already created a new reputation of a guy who hates to come off the bench under any circumstances. knowing that he has that type of attitude, teams will not want him, plain and simple. doesn't matter how great of an individual career he's had, he'z had trouble wid organizations, and already started causing trouble after his 1st regular season game with the grizz comin' off the bench.

he's 31, in his 14th season hes gonna score a few more thousand points, but i doubt he hits 30,000. I say 28 K at the most.

DenButsu
11-05-2009, 04:35 AM
KG will probably work his way into the 16th/17th spot area where AI and Kobe are now.

AI will probably break 25,000+ some and work his way up to that 12th/13th area. His scoring will be coming more slowly now, especially if he's coming off the bench.

Shaq won't pass Wilt, so he'll stay put behind him there, but will probably drop to 6th when Kobe passes him.

I think Kobe's probably got about 7-8,000 more or so left in him if he stays healthy and doesn't retire while he's still got gas in the tank. So I think he'll pass Shaq's 27.6 thou, and either get close to Wilt, or pass by him (and outside chance him and MJ).

Highlight
11-05-2009, 04:55 AM
Why aren't playoff points not accounted for in this!?

It doesn't make sense to me. Anyone know why!?

I always thought points in the playoffs were accounted for on career points lists, but after adding up all of Jordan's regular season games I came out to 32,292. He has nearly 6000 more points coming in the playoffs. He should have 38000 + points or so.

Kareem would come out to 44,000 points if his 5700 playoff points were added to his total.

Hopefully someone has a good reason, so I can better understand why they are not accounted for. :(

DenButsu
11-05-2009, 05:26 AM
Why aren't playoff points not accounted for in this!?

It doesn't make sense to me. Anyone know why!?

I always thought points in the playoffs were accounted for on career points lists, but after adding up all of Jordan's regular season games I came out to 32,292. He has nearly 6000 more points coming in the playoffs. He should have 38000 + points or so.

Kareem would come out to 44,000 points if his 5700 playoff points were added to his total.

Hopefully someone has a good reason, so I can better understand why they are not accounted for. :(

I think basically playoff stats are just regarded separately from regular season stats. I've never heard or read a reason why or anything, but I would guess that it would basically create a more even measuring stick for evaluating individual performance over seasons/careers.

Chronz
11-05-2009, 05:42 AM
Why aren't playoff points not accounted for in this!?

It doesn't make sense to me. Anyone know why!?

I always thought points in the playoffs were accounted for on career points lists, but after adding up all of Jordan's regular season games I came out to 32,292. He has nearly 6000 more points coming in the playoffs. He should have 38000 + points or so.

Kareem would come out to 44,000 points if his 5700 playoff points were added to his total.

Hopefully someone has a good reason, so I can better understand why they are not accounted for. :(

Because your taking this too seriously. Raw point tallies are insignificant when comparing across eras, therefore the placing of players from different generations is insignificant. Think of it this way, the rebounding # from the 60's will NEVER be duplicated, but its not for lack of rebounding talent. Cute milestones and all, but other than that what purpose does it serve?

abe_froman
11-05-2009, 05:53 AM
Why aren't playoff points not accounted for in this!?

It doesn't make sense to me. Anyone know why!?

I always thought points in the playoffs were accounted for on career points lists, but after adding up all of Jordan's regular season games I came out to 32,292. He has nearly 6000 more points coming in the playoffs. He should have 38000 + points or so.

Kareem would come out to 44,000 points if his 5700 playoff points were added to his total.

Hopefully someone has a good reason, so I can better understand why they are not accounted for. :(
because it punishes people for the sole sin of being on a bad team(even if they themself are good)and rewarding others just for being on a good one

giving an advantage to some players over others,as they get more games in which to accumulate stats and thus giving them favor over everyone else(you only get 82 games to get your points,while mj or kaj get 100 games in which to get theirs;and thats unfair)

but its not just basketball that does this,no postseason stats count in any sport

Raph12
11-05-2009, 11:03 AM
Because your taking this too seriously. Raw point tallies are insignificant when comparing across eras, therefore the placing of players from different generations is insignificant. Think of it this way, the rebounding # from the 60's will NEVER be duplicated, but its not for lack of rebounding talent. Cute milestones and all, but other than that what purpose does it serve?

I'm pretty sure that if guys like Dwight Howard played 48mpg like Chamberlain did, 22rpg is not a very hard feat to accomplish.

Howard has had a double-double in the first quarter a bunch of times, so give him 48mins each night and I'm sure he eventually puts up those type of rebounding numbers.

With that being said, it will never happen so w/e.

TheMicrowave
11-05-2009, 11:07 AM
Kobe will crack the top the top 6 definitely IMO. If he scores as many points as he did last year this year he will move up to the number 11 spot. Next year he has to score about 1900 points to move to the number 6. I see him definitely being 6 All time before it is said and done.

asandhu23
11-05-2009, 11:17 AM
Why aren't playoff points not accounted for in this!?

It doesn't make sense to me. Anyone know why!?

I always thought points in the playoffs were accounted for on career points lists, but after adding up all of Jordan's regular season games I came out to 32,292. He has nearly 6000 more points coming in the playoffs. He should have 38000 + points or so.

Kareem would come out to 44,000 points if his 5700 playoff points were added to his total.

Hopefully someone has a good reason, so I can better understand why they are not accounted for. :(

i agree. if Wilt's playoff points were added to his total... goddamn. :speechless:

BkOriginalOne
11-05-2009, 11:21 AM
Kobe will def break in the top 10, AI should be higher but hasn't played Allen Iverson Bball since Denver. AI might finish just under 27k if teams don't want him.

Raph12
11-05-2009, 11:36 AM
i agree. if Wilt's playoff points were added to his total... goddamn. :speechless:

**** Sandhu, I can't keep my eyes off your damn sig... you really can control my mind lol.

Highlight
11-05-2009, 02:21 PM
i agree. if Wilt's playoff points were added to his total... goddamn. :speechless:

Actually Wilt didn't have that many playoff points. It's probably due to the amount of games there were per series and how many series were played.

Jordan has the most points in the playoffs if I'm not mistaken, but it does make sense that they don't include playoff points just because they're have been many changes in how the playoffs are run.

Now there are more teams and more games played in the playoffs where as in the past there wasn't as many games and as many series' played.

82 games per season has been the norm for a while and it does seem like the "fairest" way to calculate who has scored most.

It's just that career points are way more highly regarded then career playoff points, when they should each be regarded similar to one another. (It does suck for those players with terrible teams, but that doesn't mean that career playoff points should be overlooked. Have lots of playoff points "could" mean that you were very clutch and showed up when it really counted.)

Highlight
11-05-2009, 02:26 PM
Because your taking this too seriously. Raw point tallies are insignificant when comparing across eras, therefore the placing of players from different generations is insignificant. Think of it this way, the rebounding # from the 60's will NEVER be duplicated, but its not for lack of rebounding talent. Cute milestones and all, but other than that what purpose does it serve?

I wouldn't say I am taking this too seriously. I just had an honest question. I really didn't realize that, and to be honest, I don't think many other people realized that either.

But yeah, I understand what you are saying in the rest of your post. Comparing players from complete different eras doesn't even make sense to me. I don't know how people can compare players like Shaq to players like Bill Russell. People do it all the time, but I feel it's quite insignificant.

Chronz
11-05-2009, 05:00 PM
I'm pretty sure that if guys like Dwight Howard played 48mpg like Chamberlain did, 22rpg is not a very hard feat to accomplish.

Howard has had a double-double in the first quarter a bunch of times, so give him 48mins each night and I'm sure he eventually puts up those type of rebounding numbers.

With that being said, it will never happen so w/e.
Even with 48 minutes he wouldnt touch those marks, my point is he doesnt have to in order to have superior rebounding #'s. Like Rodman is the best rebounder of all time but he doesnt have the huge rebounding tallies that those guys have, ya dig?

Chronz
11-05-2009, 05:02 PM
I wouldn't say I am taking this too seriously. I just had an honest question. I really didn't realize that, and to be honest, I don't think many other people realized that either.

But yeah, I understand what you are saying in the rest of your post. Comparing players from complete different eras doesn't even make sense to me. I don't know how people can compare players like Shaq to players like Bill Russell. People do it all the time, but I feel it's quite insignificant.
Your not getting my point, its not that you cant compare players across different eras, I do it all the time. What Im saying is you cant do it with raw tallies like Total PTS, Total Reb or their per game counterparts.

MiamiHeat
11-05-2009, 05:05 PM
I really don't see the point in this thread

:shrug:

asandhu23
11-05-2009, 06:54 PM
I'm pretty sure that if guys like Dwight Howard played 48mpg like Chamberlain did, 22rpg is not a very hard feat to accomplish.

Howard has had a double-double in the first quarter a bunch of times, so give him 48mins each night and I'm sure he eventually puts up those type of rebounding numbers.

With that being said, it will never happen so w/e.

right... but can Dwight do that with the outside factors like playing point guard for Harlem Globetrotters in the offseason? Banging 20 chicks a night? Playing league volleyball in Santa Monica?

Chronz
11-06-2009, 04:05 PM
Dont forget the halftime cigarette sessions, but yes its amazing how much Wilt had going on. The guy was into everything, he did more for Volleyball in that day and age than any star the league had at the time. You know your good when you can popularize a sport that youve never played until you used it as a method of rehabilitation.

JasonJohnHorn
11-06-2009, 05:11 PM
Shaq and AI have been great scorers in the past, but their glories days are gone. Shaq missed too much time due to injury, and Iverson's game has slipped dramatically in terms of his level of play. He's still great, but there will be no more 20+ points per game seasons. Garnett has never been a huge scorer, just a consistent one. He's never had a 30 point-per-game season, that's not his style. Bryant is the only one who could crack the top five. He's already at 24000 essentially. Scoring around 25 points a game for the next three years should give Kobe 7 thousand and at that point he will be 34 and still capable of playing high level basketball due to his conditioning. At 38 and 39 Jodan still post 20+ points a game. Kobe has the conditioning and talent to score another 10 000 points over the next 6 or 7 years, it just really depends on how he wants to end his career. If he wants to retire on top, then he'll likely retire before he scores enough to pass Malone, but because Jordan took several season off throughout his career, Kobe could easily pass Jordan.

The more interesting question is where will LeBron James end up on this list. Wilt didn't start playing until he was 23, and Kareem and Malone didn't start until 22 and Jordan didn't start until he was 21. James will never match Jordan's 35+ career high, and seems more comfortable scoring between 25-30, but he started at age 19 and started at 20+ a game, unlike Kobe who didn't average 20+ until his fourth season, by which time James already had a 30+ season. So Bryant got a slower start and if James stays steady with a 25+ a game average, then he should be able to finish on the top of the list by the end of his career if he plays as long as Malone or Kareem, and given he has a great power game, it should be easier for him to maintain his offensive effectiveness late in his career. At the end of this season James will like have over 15 000 career points and he's only 25. That's pretty scary considering the fact that most players haven't even hit their prime yet by that point. Before the age of 26, James will have already scored more points in his career than many all-stars score in their entire career and he's got a solid 10 years and high level basketball, and given his conditioning, I think its clear he'll be able to play that level, even into his late 30's.

ko8e24
11-07-2009, 07:16 AM
With Bryant and Iverson going head-to-head in Lakers vs Grizzlies game, AI scored 8 pts of the bench for the grizz while Mamba scored game high 41 for the lakeshow.

Bryant has surpassed the Answer for 16th all time on scoring list

ko8e24
11-21-2009, 06:20 PM
Shaq is injured, AI currently has no team, and KG and Kobe are still ballin. Updated list.

bigsams50
11-21-2009, 06:24 PM
Shaq is injured, AI currently has no team, and KG and Kobe are still ballin. Updated list.

Scoring wise kobe more-so than KG lol

ko8e24
11-21-2009, 06:29 PM
Scoring wise kobe more-so than KG lol

even so, I like giving recognition of the pioneers of this generation, aka Shaq, AI (although dude got no team, which is why he is not bolded, cuz he ain't currently active), Mamba, and the Big Ticket.


I just feel these 4 guys have done so much post-Jordan era, they kept the NBA alive, and I as a fan truly truly appreciate for what they have all done for the league, and have paved the way for guys like Lebron, D-wade, Melo, CP3, Howard, Dirk, Amare and young guns tryin to make names for themselves in Bynum and Jennings.

bigsams50
11-21-2009, 06:31 PM
even so, I like giving recognition of the pioneers of this generation, aka Shaq, AI (although dude got no team, which is why he is not bolded, cuz he ain't currently active), Mamba, and the Big Ticket.


I just feel these 4 guys have done so much post-Jordan era, they kept the NBA alive, and I as a fan truly truly appreciate for what they have all done for the league, and have paved the way for guys like Lebron, D-wade, Melo, CP3, Howard, Dirk, Amare and young guns tryin to make names for themselves in Bynum and Jennings.

I respect that

ko8e24
11-21-2009, 06:33 PM
I respect that

thanx yo..


oh, and even though they not on the list, big big big respects to the Big Fundamental, J-Kidd, and Nash

bigsams50
11-21-2009, 06:34 PM
thanx yo..


oh, and even though they not on the list, big big big respects to the Big Fundamental, J-Kidd, and Nash

Im surprised TD isnt on it. He's had a great career

ko8e24
11-29-2009, 05:23 PM
List updated, it makes me feel sad not bolding Allen Iverson's name and statistics, but it is what it is at this point.

After looking at the numbers for each player:

I think Shaq will stay put at #5 all-time behind Wilt Chamberlain at season's end. He will have played 18 NBA Seasons.

KG will pass Hal Greer, Larry Bird, Gary Payton and Clyde Drexler to reach #22 all-time behind Elgin Baylor at season's end. He will have played 15 NBA Seasons.

Kobe will surpass Patrick Ewing, Jerry West and Reggie Miller to reach #12 all-time behind John Havliceck at season's end. He will have played 14 NBA Seasons.

SA5195
11-29-2009, 06:28 PM
Kobe IMO will be in the top 3, he's not even close to being done.

ko8e24
12-02-2009, 05:22 PM
Welcome back to the list of active players AI :clap:

Lakeshow86
12-02-2009, 05:35 PM
I see Shaq staying at where hes at. He will move down the list as soon as kobe is done. Garnett isnt scoring that much anymore so i dont see him going past #10. Iverson may pass Shaq at #6. It all depends on how long each plays. If kobe plays up into his 40's i see him passing Kareem. He will pass jordan though before hes 37 i bet.

ko8e24
12-03-2009, 11:27 PM
There you go Sixers fan, AI is back and bolded on this prestigious NBA Scoring List :clap:

Raph12
12-04-2009, 01:04 AM
Dont forget the halftime cigarette sessions, but yes its amazing how much Wilt had going on. The guy was into everything, he did more for Volleyball in that day and age than any star the league had at the time. You know your good when you can popularize a sport that youve never played until you used it as a method of rehabilitation.

Dude do you have any footage of him playing volleyball? because I'd love to see a 7 footer playing vball... I played in high school and despite my unique athleticism for a guy my size, watching someone like Chamberlain play would be a treat to say the least.

ko8e24
12-07-2009, 10:24 PM
Allen Iverson in his first game back as a Sixer

34 min 4/11 FG 3/4 FT 5 reb 6 assts 1 stl 11 pts


UPDATED

kArSoN RyDaH
12-07-2009, 10:32 PM
i think kobe will end up #1 after about 5-7 seasons from now. but i do think he will after lebrons career end up #2. only because of lebrons first two years where he outscored kobe because kobe was on the bench.

ko8e24
12-07-2009, 10:43 PM
i think kobe will end up #1 after about 5-7 seasons from now. but i do think he will after lebrons career end up #2. only because of lebrons first two years where he outscored kobe because kobe was on the bench.

no man, kobe is not gonna reach #1. The highest I think he'll get to is #4, maybe #3. But he'll definitely finish in the top 5

kArSoN RyDaH
12-07-2009, 10:45 PM
no man, kobe is not gonna reach #1. The highest I think he'll get to is #4, maybe #3. But he'll definitely finish in the top 5

no no no bro trust me hell end up being #1 then fall to #2. someone did the math in another thread but it said he only has to average 23 points per game a season for the next 6-7 years and hell beat it or smthn in tht range.. when mj retired he was averagin 23 ppg into his 40's so i gtta believe kobe can average that into his 40s and kobe has said he will play well into his 40s . :D

_KB24_
12-07-2009, 11:02 PM
Kobe cracks the top 5.

Iverson, if given the chance, can still get to the top 10, but I doubt he plays more than 1 more season.

Shaq will not move up anymore.

KG can go fcuk himself and I hope that he doesn't pass Bird.

GAWDtv
12-08-2009, 03:03 PM
I don't see Shaq passing Wilt, in the next ten year I could see Kobe moving way up, like another 10 to 14 thousand points putting him behind or ahead of Kareem for 1st place. However it will be shortlived as LBJ will surpass that in 15 years or so as he is the fatest mover on this chart EVER. I see AI passing Wilt and Shaq with another 5000 pts or so over the next 4 years. KG should break into the top 10, below Hakeem.

ko8e24
12-08-2009, 03:07 PM
I don't see Shaq passing Wilt, in the next ten year I could see Kobe moving way up, like another 10 to 14 thousand points putting him behind or ahead of Kareem for 1st place. However it will be shortlived as LBJ will surpass that in 15 years or so as he is the fatest mover on this chart EVER. I see AI passing Wilt and Shaq with another 5000 pts or so over the next 4 years. KG should break into the top 10, below Hakeem.

but will Lebron be smart enough to conserve his body and not go into the paint everytime like a wrecking train to play a possible 20 seasons in the nba?

Chronz
12-08-2009, 03:15 PM
but will Lebron be smart enough to conserve his body and not go into the paint everytime like a wrecking train to play a possible 20 seasons in the nba?

I dont see why he wouldnt, why do Laker fans always bring this up?

More importantly however, he wont need to completely change his game, hes always going to be a physical presence who thrives in the paint.

ko8e24
12-08-2009, 03:18 PM
I dont see why he wouldnt, why do Laker fans always bring this up?

okay fine, here's another argument


is he really intent on spending the next 13-14 yrs of his life playing just basketball. or he is interested in playing other sports like football (like the Cleveland Browns, lol) or will he possibly just want to become the first billionaire athlete with a bit of bball, but mostly endorsements, shoe lines, etc. etc. or will he go overseas to get the big-time money without having to pay taxes and all of that. we don't know what he'll do cuz that just his personality and his approach to everything

TheKing23
12-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Kobe won't overtake Kareem or Malone... He might overtake Jordan and should overtake Wilt making him top 5, but the only person who stands a chance at passing Kareem is LeBron... Which I fully expect him to do if he plays his cards right.

Chronz
12-08-2009, 03:41 PM
okay fine, here's another argument


is he really intent on spending the next 13-14 yrs of his life playing just basketball. or he is interested in playing other sports like football (like the Cleveland Browns, lol) or will he possibly just want to become the first billionaire athlete with a bit of bball, but mostly endorsements, shoe lines, etc. etc. or will he go overseas to get the big-time money without having to pay taxes and all of that. we don't know what he'll do cuz that just his personality and his approach to everything

Yea thats probably a bigger threat to Brons (consequently a compliment to Kobes) legacy, if his ego and lust for cash get in the way. Much bigger chance of that happening than Bron for some reason fading away as soon as he hits 30.

Chronz
12-08-2009, 03:42 PM
Kobe won't overtake Kareem or Malone... He might overtake Jordan and should overtake Wilt making him top 5, but the only person who stands a chance at passing Kareem is LeBron... Which I fully expect him to do if he plays his cards right.

He wont bro, and he shouldnt have to. Its just not in the nature of his game

TheKing23
12-08-2009, 03:45 PM
He wont bro, and he shouldnt have to. Its just not in the nature of his game

What's not in the nature of his game?

Chronz
12-08-2009, 04:05 PM
What's not in the nature of his game?
To put up the kind of scoring #'s Kareem did, he doesnt have legendary PG's feeding him quality looks. That combined with the pace of the game assures that the record is safe for all eternity

Mavrix
12-08-2009, 04:20 PM
This is in numerical order, starting from highest ranked to lowest ranked at the end of each respective career. I have done the math and came to this conclusion:

Kobe will finish at 3rd ahead of MJ . If he stays in the league for 5 more seasons (retires at age 36) and averages only 23ppg at 75 games per season (not as injury prone) he'll end up with around 33,000 points. I can easily see this happening.

Shaq will stay at 5th. Even if he plays 3 more seasons and averages 12ppg for 70 games in both seasons he still won't have enough to be 4th. Shaq won't be here in 3 years anyway.

AI will finish at 6th . If he plays 3 more seasons at a clip of 17ppg and only 70 games a season he'll end up with 27,600 points right behind Shaq for 6th.

KG will end up in 13th-15th. If he plays another 3 seasons at a clip of only 15.5 ppg and only 70 games a season he'll have 24,831 career points making him 15th.

TheKing23
12-08-2009, 04:53 PM
To put up the kind of scoring #'s Kareem did, he doesnt have legendary PG's feeding him quality looks. That combined with the pace of the game assures that the record is safe for all eternity

Have you seen the PG's he's had feeding him up until now in his career? That hasn't stopped him becoming the youngest player ever to score X amount of points, regularly setting new records and having a career average of 27.5 PPG.

LeBron is 24 and has 13,538 points. If was to continue scoring at his current career average of 27.5 PPG, he would reach and surpass Kareem's record at the tender age of 35. Of course this isn't taking into account injuries or any problems like that, but I would say this proves LeBron has a great chance at passing Kareem on the all-time scoring list.

Hawkeye15
12-08-2009, 05:50 PM
Kobe should pass MJ

ko8e24
12-08-2009, 08:20 PM
Have you seen the PG's he's had feeding him up until now in his career? That hasn't stopped him becoming the youngest player ever to score X amount of points, regularly setting new records and having a career average of 27.5 PPG.

LeBron is 24 and has 13,538 points. If was to continue scoring at his current career average of 27.5 PPG, he would reach and surpass Kareem's record at the tender age of 35. Of course this isn't taking into account injuries or any problems like that, but I would say this proves LeBron has a great chance at passing Kareem on the all-time scoring list.

Sorry yo, but at this moment of time in the nba, the list only applies to 4 legends. Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, and Kevin Garnett.

LeBron James is not on this list...yet....so no use of talking about him. :D

look at the title of the thread....plain and simple.

Hawkeye15
12-08-2009, 08:28 PM
its too bad MJ took 2 years off basically. You could add 5000 pts

kArSoN RyDaH
12-08-2009, 08:31 PM
its too bad MJ took 2 years off basically. You could add 5000 pts

yeaa well kobes first 2 years might as well not count anywayz. but jordan made up for that by averagin 30+ points throughout his career. against sub par defenses if i might add. the thing about scorers today is they are going up against tougher defenses so scorers like kobe lbj ai all have to go through more to get points.

TheKing23
12-08-2009, 08:47 PM
Sorry yo, but at this moment of time in the nba, the list only applies to 4 legends. Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, and Kevin Garnett.

LeBron James is not on this list...yet....so no use of talking about him. :D

look at the title of the thread....plain and simple.

Coming from the same guy that brings up Kobe in most threads you post in...

Fact of the matter is, someone said Kobe would overtake Kareem and then I stated my opinion that LeBron is the only player who stands a chance at this. It's not off topic, it's the perfect thread to bring up this point.

No need to get all butt hurt because LeBron stands a better chance at getting the record than your beloved Kobe.

kArSoN RyDaH
12-08-2009, 08:52 PM
Coming from the same guy that brings up Kobe in most threads you post in...

Fact of the matter is, someone said Kobe would overtake Kareem and then I stated my opinion that LeBron is the only player who stands a chance at this. It's not off topic, it's the perfect thread to bring up this point.

No need to get all butt hurt because LeBron stands a better chance at getting the record than your beloved Kobe.

actually they both at one point in their careers will be #1. i believe kobe will pass kareems record because he only has to average 23 ppg for about 6-7 seasons before he breaks it. and lebron well lebron is ahead of the game in terms of scoring having a tremendous first 2 seasons which kobe didnt have because he was on the bench. but kobe will be #1 soon thereafter will be passed by lebron is lebron n him stay on the pace they are at. i believe jordan was averagin 23 ppg in his last season in the nba before he retired while he was in his 40s or late 30s so i have to believe kobe can do the same.


and regarding your comment as to him posting about kobe in every thread. i have seen you do the exact same thing so if you really wanna go there you post about lebron all the time in threads and start arguments against kobe when no arguments are even happening. so just leave it at that.

ko8e24
12-08-2009, 08:53 PM
Coming from the same guy that brings up Kobe in most threads you post in...

Fact of the matter is, someone said Kobe would overtake Kareem and then I stated my opinion that LeBron is the only player who stands a chance at this. It's not off topic, it's the perfect thread to bring up this point.

No need to get all butt hurt because LeBron stands a better chance at getting the record than your beloved Kobe.

thats the point, no need to bring his name in when the thread is exclusively about 4 nba legends who are the elderstatemen of the league. bringing lebron into the whole thing will make it another kobe vs lebron thing. yes he has the potential to pass him blah blah blah, but its too premature to talk about lebron.

TheKing23
12-08-2009, 09:48 PM
yeaa well kobes first 2 years might as well not count anywayz. but jordan made up for that by averagin 30+ points throughout his career. against sub par defenses if i might add. the thing about scorers today is they are going up against tougher defenses so scorers like kobe lbj ai all have to go through more to get points.

I'm sorry but did you not watch basketball in the 80/90's?

The game favors the offensive player so much more now with the removal of hand check rule, zone defense and Kobe and LeBron getting free throws if someone does as much as blow on them.

Hawkeye15
12-08-2009, 09:49 PM
yeaa well kobes first 2 years might as well not count anywayz. but jordan made up for that by averagin 30+ points throughout his career. against sub par defenses if i might add. the thing about scorers today is they are going up against tougher defenses so scorers like kobe lbj ai all have to go through more to get points.

your entire post is ridiculous. Jordan didn't come into the league until he was 21 bud. ANd he played against the no hand check rule. A prime MJ in today's game would average whatever he wanted to. Minimum 38 ppg in his youth. For christs sake, he avged 37 ppg in a league where you were actually allowed to foul a guy.
No offense, but how old are you? Just curious

sp1derm00
12-08-2009, 10:29 PM
your entire post is ridiculous. Jordan didn't come into the league until he was 21 bud. ANd he played against the no hand check rule. A prime MJ in today's game would average whatever he wanted to. Minimum 38 ppg in his youth. For christs sake, he avged 37 ppg in a league where you were actually allowed to foul a guy.
No offense, but how old are you? Just curious

Not likely with the changes that allow advanced defenses. Since the change, the NBA's average FG% has gone down. Jordan would probably still put up the same averages though.

Also, as witnessed in last year's Finals, both Pietrus and Courtney Lee handchecked Kobe with no whistles. Kobe averaged well over 30ppg in that series not because he got a lot of FT's, but because he shot the mid-range ball really well.

I don't think the argument that Kobe couldn't play against hand-checking applies.

HouRealCoach
12-08-2009, 10:36 PM
Kobe will be in the Top 5 when he's done and MAYBE top 3

BkOriginalOne
12-08-2009, 10:51 PM
KG will make it to the top 15.
AI will make it to the top 10.
Kobe will be in the top 5, pushing out Shaq - he's going to be just behind Jordan.

ko8e24
12-08-2009, 11:32 PM
And the Big Ticket officially moves up to 25th overall, passing Hal Greer on the NBA Scoring List :clap:

kArSoN RyDaH
12-08-2009, 11:35 PM
your entire post is ridiculous. Jordan didn't come into the league until he was 21 bud. ANd he played against the no hand check rule. A prime MJ in today's game would average whatever he wanted to. Minimum 38 ppg in his youth. For christs sake, he avged 37 ppg in a league where you were actually allowed to foul a guy.
No offense, but how old are you? Just curious

im 19 i only had the opportunity to see jordan when i was about 10 yrs old. but yea i know his stats and have done numerous reports on him for my college statistics class and am well aware of his accomplishments.

Hawkeye15
12-09-2009, 02:42 PM
Not likely with the changes that allow advanced defenses. Since the change, the NBA's average FG% has gone down. Jordan would probably still put up the same averages though.

Also, as witnessed in last year's Finals, both Pietrus and Courtney Lee handchecked Kobe with no whistles. Kobe averaged well over 30ppg in that series not because he got a lot of FT's, but because he shot the mid-range ball really well.

I don't think the argument that Kobe couldn't play against hand-checking applies.

very likely. Defenses are not better today. Offenses are worse. And I am not saying Kobe may not adjust to physical contact, but we don't know. You KNOW Jordan would adjust to not being touched.
And why would it not apply? Players on the perimeter are given more freedom today.

ko8e24
01-03-2010, 01:20 AM
Kicking off the new year 2010, the list has been updated

kblo247
01-03-2010, 01:29 AM
very likely. Defenses are not better today. Offenses are worse. And I am not saying Kobe may not adjust to physical contact, but we don't know. You KNOW Jordan would adjust to not being touched.
And why would it not apply? Players on the perimeter are given more freedom today.

Hand checking was allowed while he won 3 rings and went to four Finals iirc and in fact the Spurs were infamous for it along with Bowen's other tricks.


2001 playoffs vs spurs
Game 1 - 45 points ( team high ), 10 reb, 3 ast, 54% fg's
Game 2 - 28 points ( team high ), 7 reb, 6 ast, 46% fg's
Game 3 - 36 points ( team high ), 9 reb, 8 ast, 52%fg's
Game 4 - 24 points, 2reb, 11 assists, 52%fg's

2002 playoffs vs spurs
Game 1 - 22 points, 2 reb, 4ast, 44%fg's
Game 2 - 26 points ( team high ), 4reb, 6 ast, 48% fg's
Game 3 - 31 points ( team high ), 6 reb, 6 ast, 48%fg's
Game 4 - 28 points ( team high ), 7reb, 3 ast, 37%fg's
Game 5 - 26 points ( team high ), 8reb, 5 ast, 50%fg's

2003 playoffs vs spurs
Game 1 - 37 points ( team high ), 4reb, 2 ast, 42%fg's
Game 2 - 27 points ( team high ), 6reb, 1 ast, 37%fg's
Game 3 - 39 points ( team high ), 4reb, 4ast, 44%fg's
Game 4 - 35 points ( team high ), 7reb, 3ast, 42%fg's
Game 5 - 36 points ( team high ), 7reb, 6ast, 48%fg's
Game 6 - 20 points, 2reb, 6ast, 47%fg's

2004 playoffs vs spurs
Game 1 - 31 points ( team high ), 10 reb, 4ast, 38%fg's
Game 2 - 15 points, 5reb, 8 ast, 42%fg's
Game 3 - 22 points, 6reb, 6ast, 54%fg's
Game 4 - 42 points ( team high ), 6reb, 5ast, 55%fg's
Game 5 - 22 points ( team high ), 4reb, 5ast, 40%fg's
Game 6 - 26 points ( team high ), 7reb, 7 ast, 50%fg's

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Oh well, Kobe now needs 16 to pass Ewing on the all time list

montazingmvp
01-03-2010, 02:16 AM
yeaa well kobes first 2 years might as well not count anywayz. but jordan made up for that by averagin 30+ points throughout his career. against sub par defenses if i might add. the thing about scorers today is they are going up against tougher defenses so scorers like kobe lbj ai all have to go through more to get points.

wow, whats better than casual basketball fans claiming things that they cannot possibly prove....

i mean c'mon dude, when you say this, "the thing about scorers today is they are going up against tougher defenses so scorers like kobe lbj ai all have to go through more to get points"...

does it really not bother you in the slightest bit that you yourself know that this completely fabricated garbage, garbage that you could not even begin to prove. were not idiots here, buddy...you can't just make weightless claims and expect us to believe you

kblo247
01-03-2010, 02:35 AM
wow, whats better than casual basketball fans claiming things that they cannot possibly prove....

i mean c'mon dude, when you say this, "the thing about scorers today is they are going up against tougher defenses so scorers like kobe lbj ai all have to go through more to get points"...

does it really not bother you in the slightest bit that you yourself know that this completely fabricated garbage, garbage that you could not even begin to prove. were not idiots here, buddy...you can't just make weightless claims and expect us to believe you

I won't agree that it is tougher w/o hand checking but people need to admit that the league change when they made doubling guys legal

montazingmvp
01-03-2010, 03:08 AM
I won't agree that it is tougher w/o hand checking but people need to admit that the league change when they made doubling guys legal

the thing is nothing changed when they made it legal...

because players were regularly being doubled and triple teamed before the rule was put in place...

its one of those rules that existed but was not actually enforced..

TmacBryant
01-03-2010, 03:25 AM
i see kobe beating jordan but not kareem. if i did my math right he averages around 1,700 points a season totaling to 24,000 right now. if he plays for 6 more seasons he will be at 10,000 more points breaking jordans record. But his stats will definietly go down, so probably 8.5-9,000 points ... but even that will beat jordans record. if kobe plays for 8-9 seasons instead of six he could be kareem's but i dont see it happening.

PrettyBoyJ
01-03-2010, 03:54 AM
The way Kobe is playin he's gonna pass Shaquille for 5th on the list and prob finish with 29,000- 30,000 points..
Shaquille is playing his last days I doubt if he plays another season he'll get any significant playing time..
A.I. Well he's not the same A.I. Evryone grew to love he prob finish wit 26,000- 28,000
KG is on a team wit too many options so he doesn't need to go out and score a lot of points so he prob finish wit 25,000

ko8e24
01-04-2010, 05:26 AM
i see kobe beating jordan but not kareem. if i did my math right he averages around 1,700 points a season totaling to 24,000 right now. if he plays for 6 more seasons he will be at 10,000 more points breaking jordans record. But his stats will definietly go down, so probably 8.5-9,000 points ... but even that will beat jordans record. if kobe plays for 8-9 seasons instead of six he could be kareem's but i dont see it happening.


of course it will 4-5 yrs down the line, but he's proving us wrong this season with a sudden significant increase in ppg

post-shaq era


2004-2005 27.6 ppg (26 y.o.)
2005-2006 35.4 ppg (27 y.o.)
2006-2007 31.6 ppg (28 y.o.)
2007-2008 28.3 ppg (29 y.o.)
2008-2009 26.8 ppg (30 y.o.)
2009-2010 30.2 ppg (31 y.o.)

ko8e24
01-13-2010, 03:38 AM
Since JasonJohnHorn brought it up, I've updated it

Iron24th
01-13-2010, 04:42 AM
Kobe will be in top 10 before the end of the playoffs.

ko8e24
01-13-2010, 11:55 PM
Kobe will be in top 10 before the end of the playoffs.

Well, the all-time scoring list actually consists of points scored in regular season games, not the playoffs. But before the playoffs begin, Kobe should be in the Top 12 in all-time scoring.

ko8e24
02-02-2010, 12:02 AM
Kobe Bryant, with 44 pts in a road loss to the Memphis Grizzlies (:() becomes the Los Angeles Lakers all-time Leading Scorer, surpassing his mentor and the man responsible for bringing Kobe to Los Angeles..The LOGO, Mr. Clutch, Jerry West. Kobe also becomes the 14th all-time scorer in NBA History.



Kevin Garnett, a current member of the Boston Celtics, and a future Hall of Famer, by scoring 19 pts in a road win over the Washington Wizards, surpasses former iconic Boston Celtic and Hall of Famer, the legendary Larry Bird for 24th all-time on the NBA Scoring List.



Congratulations to both of these future Hall of Famers!

We are truly blessed to see them in action! :clap:

ko8e24
02-02-2010, 12:33 AM
Oh ya, with Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, and Ray Allen all hitting the 20,000 mark this season, I'm thinking of starting a new thread very soon to incorporate those 3 guys to go along with Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson, and Kevin Garnett.

ko8e24
02-12-2010, 04:31 AM
All-star break......updated!

ko8e24
02-25-2010, 01:48 AM
The great Kobe Bryant climbing the ladder. Tonite, passed Reggie Miller for 13th all time. 316 pts away from surpassing Alex English for #12 all-time.