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nbafan63
10-08-2009, 03:58 PM
I read many track&field athletes use a type of steroid cream known as "the clear" for performance enhancement. And the clear can not be tested. Athletes like Marion Jones used it through out her career and was never tested positive for enhancement drugs. Now, I'm no specialist in performance enhancement drugs. So my question is do you think some NBA players would use "the clear" cream for right before big games? Such as Game 6 or Game 7 of a playoff series just to give them that little extra speed and hops and endurance??

If so, which players do you think might use it?

Personally, I've read some reports from Wade's ex-business partner claiming that Wade uses steroids. And the funny thing is I can actually see Wade being on some sort of performance enhancement drugs.

I don't think lebron uses steroid and I don't think Kobe uses steroids.

Dwight Howard though is questionable. He came into the league skinny as hell and in just about 1 summer he turned into Superman. No one guys THAT big that fast. I mean you can't possibly work out that much in that short period of time. You'd have to let your muscles rest and heal before you work out again.

Any GNC or trainers in here? What can I take that wont hurt me to get me as big as some of these athletes in the shortest amount of time? (given that I work out 3 times a week for 1.5 hours a day)

abe_froman
10-08-2009, 04:00 PM
probably,though i have no idea on who

Wilson
10-08-2009, 04:03 PM
If anyone does, it's all speculation. You can't really say that Wade does but Kobe and LeBron don't, there's nothing to base any of it on.

sofargone
10-08-2009, 04:11 PM
maybe

nbafan63
10-08-2009, 04:17 PM
If anyone does, it's all speculation. You can't really say that Wade does but Kobe and LeBron don't, there's nothing to base any of it on.

I based it off the Miami article. Wade's ex business partner claims that he does. And wade is blocking 2 shots a game for a guard. Pretty crazy huh??

Hellcrooner
10-08-2009, 04:17 PM
if you search for it in the web you would find the agreement between david stern, fiba and olymic comiteee in wich stern allows nba players alowed to play in olympics or fiba championships AS LONG as they are NOt TESTED by any other authority that its not the same NBA or USAF ......

guess why.

and that is not only for american playrs, pau gasol or dirk as they are nba players also CANT be tested outside nba, lucklily for spain , be serious take a rookie pau picture and llok at him in sophomore year ;)


90% of nba players are on drugs or enhancemente drugs, thats for sure

nbafan63
10-08-2009, 04:20 PM
if you search for it in the web you would find the agreement between david stern, fiba and olymic comiteee in wich stern allows nba players alowed to play in olympics or fiba championships AS LONG as they are NOt TESTED by any other authority that its not the same NBA or USAF ......

guess why.

and that is not only for american playrs, pau gasol or dirk as they are nba players also CANT be tested outside nba, lucklily for spain , be serious take a rookie pau picture and llok at him in sophomore year ;)


90% of nba players are on drugs or enhancemente drugs, thats for sure


>> If that's the case then what is it that they are taking?? I want whatever Dwights taking!! Anyone know?? I want to be superman in one summer also.

Wilson
10-08-2009, 04:23 PM
I based it off the Miami article. Wade's ex business partner claims that he does. And wade is blocking 2 shots a game for a guard. Pretty crazy huh??

Sorry, I misread the original post. Do you have a link to the article?

wileyisTOFU
10-08-2009, 04:24 PM
makes since, NBA yet to get any media on this at all.

Hellcrooner
10-08-2009, 04:24 PM
no you dont want it.

You dont want your DIck to go smaller

you dont want to have heart trouble when you are 40

you dont want to have a flaccid dick.

you dont want to die because a vein explodes in your brain.

you dont want your bones to be empty and break when you are 40


you dont want to get cancer

you dont want to get pancrethic diseases

and so on and on and on

ackar
10-08-2009, 04:27 PM
So maybe the name of this thread should be "does today modern athletes take performance enhancers?"

the simple answer is "yes" but it not as black and white as that. Let's move on....are you not entertained?

Pierzynski4Prez
10-08-2009, 04:29 PM
no you dont want it.

You dont want your DIck to go smaller

you dont want to have heart trouble when you are 40

you dont want to have a flaccid dick.

you dont want to die because a vein explodes in your brain.

you dont want your bones to be empty and break when you are 40


you dont want to get cancer

you dont want to get pancrethic diseases

and so on and on and on

good enough for me. I like my penis

MackSnackWrap
10-08-2009, 04:51 PM
i gues so

nbafan63
10-08-2009, 04:59 PM
Sorry, I misread the original post. Do you have a link to the article?

Sure. Here you go:

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2009/04/dwayne-wade-accused-of-steroid-use-by-disgruntled-business-partner.html

nbafan63
10-08-2009, 05:01 PM
no you dont want it.

You dont want your DIck to go smaller

you dont want to have heart trouble when you are 40

you dont want to have a flaccid dick.

you dont want to die because a vein explodes in your brain.

you dont want your bones to be empty and break when you are 40


you dont want to get cancer

you dont want to get pancrethic diseases

and so on and on and on



I've also heard that about Steroids, but here's the thing. Don't you think modern medicine would have gotten a lot better in the recent years? I mean look at this "the clear" stuff. No needles, no pills, just rub it on. You think teams pay millions on their athletes and let them take crappy steroids? I'm sure they've got really good stuff out there in recent years. Maybe with much much less side affects??

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 07:18 PM
no you dont want it.

You dont want your DIck to go smaller

you dont want to have heart trouble when you are 40

you dont want to have a flaccid dick.

you dont want to die because a vein explodes in your brain.

you dont want your bones to be empty and break when you are 40


you dont want to get cancer

you dont want to get pancrethic diseases

and so on and on and on

Steroids do not shrink your Dick. That is non sense. If you have done any credible research you would know this. It can shrink your balls if you have taken them over a long period of time. Because your balls realize you don't need any more testosteron so they stop producing until you stop taking it.

When females take certain types of steroids it actually turns the clitorious into a penis over a long period of time. Does it make any logical sense that it would shrink a man's penis. In some cases it increases size but is very rare.

heart trouble is propaganda. You can increase your cholesterol but its nothing serious. There has been a reported 12 people who have died from steroids. But not one of those reports are conclusive and most doctors say that those deaths were not from steroids.

Veins exploding in your brain? ha ha wow made up

Cancer had never been proven

Steroids actually increase your bone density.

I have done a lot of research on them. And your claims make no sense. Look up the makers of these drugs and the purposes of them and you will find what complications you can have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 07:23 PM
I've also heard that about Steroids, but here's the thing. Don't you think modern medicine would have gotten a lot better in the recent years? I mean look at this "the clear" stuff. No needles, no pills, just rub it on. You think teams pay millions on their athletes and let them take crappy steroids? I'm sure they've got really good stuff out there in recent years. Maybe with much much less side affects??

You have heard that about steroids on propaganda commercials. from good doctors you will find that there are very few side effects if taken properly.

I glad nobody here has said well NBA players aren't big so they must not be on steroids. I hear that claim all the time. I am sure it will come up soon.

Anybody who has researched steroids and seen people on and off steroids. Would know Lebron James is using them.

HiphopRelated
10-08-2009, 07:26 PM
Sure. Here you go:

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2009/04/dwayne-wade-accused-of-steroid-use-by-disgruntled-business-partner.html
That guy has zero credibility

and listing Wade's shot blocking as a reason is less than intelligent since that has FAR more to do with his timing

ChiSox219
10-08-2009, 07:33 PM
There was a video of Gilbert Arenas about a month back talking with I believe the Wizards strength coach. He was saying they monitored Arenas workouts because they did not want him to gain too much muscle mass and lose his quickness. Barry Bonds went from stealing 40+ bases and flying around the OF to barely being able to walk to first base.

That Wade accusation is nonsense, I really have question the OP's ability to analyze articles because your are using an accusation from "a disgruntled former business partner"

Also, if you want to get big like Dwight Howard, 1.5 hours a couple times a week isn't going to do it. These guys workout several hours everyday with professional trainers, diet, etc.

There might be some guys using but I'd bet those are likely the older players who are losing their natural physicality so they need a boost.

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 07:38 PM
There was a video of Gilbert Arenas about a month back talking with I believe the Wizards strength coach. He was saying they monitored Arenas workouts because they did not want him to gain too much muscle mass and lose his quickness. Barry Bonds went from stealing 40+ bases and flying around the OF to barely being able to walk to first base.

That Wade accusation is nonsense, I really have question the OP's ability to analyze articles because your are using an accusation from "a disgruntled former business partner"

Also, if you want to get big like Dwight Howard, 1.5 hours a couple times a week isn't going to do it. These guys workout several hours everyday with professional trainers, diet, etc.

There might be some guys using but I'd bet those are likely the older players who are losing their natural physicality so they need a boost.

Dwight Howard doesn't seem like he is taking anything looking at his physical look. You can tell if you have been around people who have. His frame is not hard to accomplish. But his speed and jumping ability is pretty amazing (There is hormones what increase your jumping and speed with major size). I wouldn't make any accusations on him. Lebron James I am almost positive he is taking.

If you eat 6-8 times a day. And lift 5 times a week you can gain size in a few months. But 20 pounds? and mostly muscle and staying in shape with low body fat going into training camp is almost impossible. When you look to gain 20 pounds quickly you will be gaining water and fat along with it. To cut down like that in 2-3 months is insane without using.

ChiSox219
10-08-2009, 07:41 PM
Dwight Howard doesn't seem like he is taking anything looking at his physical look. You can tell if you have been around people who have. His frame is not hard to accomplish. But his speed and jumping ability is pretty amazing (There is hormones what increase your jumping and speed with major size). I wouldn't make any accusations on him. Lebron James I am almost positive he is taking.

If you eat 6-8 times a day. And lift 5 times a week you can gain size in a few months. But 20 pounds? and mostly muscle and staying in shape with low body fat going into training camp is almost impossible. When you look to gain 20 pounds quickly you will be gaining water and fat along with it. To cut down like that in 2-3 months is insane without using.

Have you worked out with Tim Grover?

Vinny642
10-08-2009, 07:43 PM
I dont think many of the bigger star take them

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 07:50 PM
Have you worked out with Tim Grover?

No but I have researched him a lot and his workouts and everything I have seen has to make you more explosive rather than gaining pounds. He does amazing workouts for players and making them better but the science of gaining weight in that amount of time while staying cut is so hard to do. And tons of players are doing it every summer within 3 months.

And I have seen people "using" and have seen people eat perfectly and constantly workout and do tons of cardio and they still couldn't keep the water weight and fat off along with the large amount of muscle in a 3 month period. Very few people with really good genetics can do that.

Have you ever worked out with someone using roids and going on and off? Have you studied the drugs themselves? or just listened to the news?

rabzouz 96
10-08-2009, 08:07 PM
Dwight Howard doesn't seem like he is taking anything looking at his physical look. You can tell if you have been around people who have. His frame is not hard to accomplish. But his speed and jumping ability is pretty amazing (There is hormones what increase your jumping and speed with major size). I wouldn't make any accusations on him. Lebron James I am almost positive he is taking.

If you eat 6-8 times a day. And lift 5 times a week you can gain size in a few months. But 20 pounds? and mostly muscle and staying in shape with low body fat going into training camp is almost impossible. When you look to gain 20 pounds quickly you will be gaining water and fat along with it. To cut down like that in 2-3 months is insane without using.
you said many true things in your posts above, but i think you should do some more research on what steroids can do besides adding to the muscle growth from training. its more about recovery for the next day, or training when training on this level. it starts in hs/college niveau and about everyone on the d-1 college level uses em.

ChiSox219
10-08-2009, 08:07 PM
No but I have researched him a lot and his workouts and everything I have seen has to make you more explosive rather than gaining pounds. He does amazing workouts for players and making them better but the science of gaining weight in that amount of time while staying cut is so hard to do. And tons of players are doing it every summer within 3 months.

And I have seen people "using" and have seen people eat perfectly and constantly workout and do tons of cardio and they still couldn't keep the water weight and fat off along with the large amount of muscle in a 3 month period. Very few people with really good genetics can do that.

Have you ever worked out with someone using roids and going on and off? Have you studied the drugs themselves? or just listened to the news?

I don't claim to be an expert, though it seems you do. Are saying that the several NBA players that have worked with Grove and put on 10-20lbs were using steroids?

rabzouz 96
10-08-2009, 08:08 PM
I don't claim to be an expert, though it seems you do. Are saying that the several NBA players that have worked with Grove and put on 10-20lbs were using steroids?

you can pretty much bet on it.

caddiemaster
10-08-2009, 08:08 PM
There pot heads thats why dont allow testing/not roids!maybee a couple of em but once your in the nba theres no need.You get everything you need and not like baseball{mark maguire}roids arent a big advantage in b ball !maybee lebron..........or dwight...but most r just stoners!

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 08:36 PM
you said many true things in your posts above, but i think you should do some more research on what steroids can do besides adding to the muscle growth from training. its more about recovery for the next day, or training when training on this level. it starts in hs/college niveau and about everyone on the d-1 college level uses em.

I never stated that thats all they do? So please don't jump to the conclusion that I haven't done my research.

There are hundreds of different types of hormones that help with different things. Speed, agility, bone density, lubrication of the joints, obviously recovery is apart of the process but you cannot take a recovery hormone (deca) and not take Test and hold muscle. Which are the most common hormones used.

I am not going to state all of my knowledge about hormones and one post. So again please don't assume what i have researched and studied.

They all play apart. And to say recovery is more important than something else is false. They all play a part. And your Test levels are actually more important than your Deca levels. Which one is for holding muscle and the other is for recovering. They all play a part. And diet is more important than any hormone you take for gaining muscle.

Hellcrooner
10-08-2009, 08:53 PM
dude have you ever been to a gym where there were people preparig themselves for mr universe and that ****
' you know? those trying to be the next stallone or schwartzeneger?

well i used to lift weights in such a place and there were a lot of such people and beleive me the more **** they junked up the smaller dicks they had

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 08:59 PM
There pot heads thats why dont allow testing/not roids!maybee a couple of em but once your in the nba theres no need.You get everything you need and not like baseball{mark maguire}roids arent a big advantage in b ball !maybee lebron..........or dwight...but most r just stoners!

Again spoken from a person who has no knowledge of the subject.

There is multiple times of hormones that increase Speed, strength without gaining much mass. Your joints can improve and tendons.

So are you saying speed doesn't help you in B-ball? or strength?

or gaining confidence and awareness with hormones doesn't either?

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 09:03 PM
dude have you ever been to a gym where there were people preparig themselves for mr universe and that ****
' you know? those trying to be the next stallone or schwartzeneger?

well i used to lift weights in such a place and there were a lot of such people and beleive me the more **** they junked up the smaller dicks they had

I go to the gym 6 days a week. And have been for years. And personally know people who take it. And it has not shrunk anybodies. And I have talked to there girlfriends also.
It might be an illusion to you because there thighs get so much bigger so it physically looks smaller. But testosterone is what makes a man.

I have proof from tons of people that it doesn't shrink it. And I have science and medical proof it doesn't either.

Believe me I have studied this for years and been around it for years. And if there girlfriends and wifes noticed they would say something. lol

Hellcrooner
10-08-2009, 09:07 PM
well if you are so self assured take ot yourself.

Ware_Spencer
10-08-2009, 09:08 PM
well if you are so self assured take ot yourself.

;)

Hellcrooner
10-08-2009, 09:19 PM
but first take a look at this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8mzeRVuDBU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIVpknR1Re8&feature=PlayList&p=91A9B0DD633E20BC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnT9PVCSZYE



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggie_Lewis

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Jim%C3%A9nez_Sastre


and think twice about enhancing drugs

Trouble87
10-08-2009, 09:36 PM
ive never heard of "The Clear" but anything is possible... If a drug test cant detect it I'm sure some players would take a chance with it

Trouble87
10-08-2009, 09:52 PM
I go to the gym 6 days a week. And have been for years. And personally know people who take it. And it has not shrunk anybodies. And I have talked to there girlfriends also.
It might be an illusion to you because there thighs get so much bigger so it physically looks smaller. But testosterone is what makes a man.

I have proof from tons of people that it doesn't shrink it. And I have science and medical proof it doesn't either.

Believe me I have studied this for years and been around it for years. And if there girlfriends and wifes noticed they would say something. lol


Steroid abuse can lead to serious, even irreversible health problems. Some of the most dangerous among these include liver damage; jaundice (yellowish pigmentation of skin, tissues, and body fluids); fluid retention; high blood pressure; increases in LDL (“bad” cholesterol); and decreases in HDL (“good” cholesterol). Other reported effects include renal failure, severe acne, and trembling. In addition, there are some gender- and age-specific adverse effects:

* For men—shrinking of the testicles, reduced sperm count, infertility, baldness, development of breasts, increased risk for prostate cancer
* For women—growth of facial hair, male-pattern baldness, changes in or cessation of the menstrual cycle, enlargement of the clitoris, deepened voice

Link- http://www.drugabuse.gov/InfoFacts/Steroids.html

In moderation I think steroids aren't a complete bad thing but most people who are willing to take them don't have the best judgment. Abusing roids and "enhancement" drugs have horrible side effects down the line, even long after you've stopped using

SirCarlton
10-08-2009, 09:58 PM
steroids do nothing to you penis size..they shrink your balls

SirCarlton
10-08-2009, 10:00 PM
but i heard mt dew shrinks ur dick tho LOL OMGZ

nbafan63
10-08-2009, 10:39 PM
dude have you ever been to a gym where there were people preparig themselves for mr universe and that ****
' you know? those trying to be the next stallone or schwartzeneger?

well i used to lift weights in such a place and there were a lot of such people and beleive me the more **** they junked up the smaller dicks they had



Really? You saw all their penis? And I'm not doubting this because I have heard this too. However, do you think it could be relatively that they got so much bigger and their penis stayed the same size? I mean a skinny narrow boned guy will look to have a big penis because his background body size is small. While a big super buff guy might look like he has a tiny penis because his body is so huge. Make sense??

Or maybe you are right, maybe it shrinks your dick. But with modern science, you would think through trial and error that these steroid companies would modify the ingredients so that it wouldn't shrink your dick.

Rocco007
10-09-2009, 01:11 AM
See Ben Wallace...The shrinking machine...

Lebron is a good candidate...

downsos
10-09-2009, 01:36 AM
I'd think it would be foolish to think that there would be any sport that is immune from steroid use.

Sox Appeal
10-09-2009, 08:25 AM
It wouldn't surprise me at all, if we find out players from the 80's on used steroids.

Ace33Bone
10-09-2009, 08:49 AM
I feel that a lot of athlete use Performance Enhancing Drugs... I dont know how popular it is in basketball but i am sure a few people are using them... but i definitely know that in football and baseball it is very popular and I actually think that a lot of football players use banned substances but there is not the same amount of focus put on their usage as it is in baseball

aWiLL 20
10-09-2009, 09:31 AM
guaranteed that nba players are on it. I wish cheaters didn't prevail, but it's a fact in professional sports. Makes kids have a false sense of how good they can be with hard work. I personally think leBron james is a joke. Like someone mentioned, anyone who knows ANYTHING about 'roids knows this clown is on them. Along with a lot of NBA players. Just for ppl who are uneducated, PED's are not only used to get mass. There are ones available to run faster, jump higher, and not look like a tank. That is VERY attractive to a basketball player trying to get his million dollar paycheck.

PS- My boy Dirk is about as clean as they come! Everyone knows he's slow, can't jump, and he's skinny. If anyone in the NBA has natural talent without drugs it is him.

rabzouz 96
10-09-2009, 10:29 AM
guaranteed that nba players are on it. I wish cheaters didn't prevail, but it's a fact in professional sports. Makes kids have a false sense of how good they can be with hard work. I personally think leBron james is a joke. Like someone mentioned, anyone who knows ANYTHING about 'roids knows this clown is on them. Along with a lot of NBA players. Just for ppl who are uneducated, PED's are not only used to get mass. There are ones available to run faster, jump higher, and not look like a tank. That is VERY attractive to a basketball player trying to get his million dollar paycheck.

PS- My boy Dirk is about as clean as they come! Everyone knows he's slow, can't jump, and he's skinny. If anyone in the NBA has natural talent without drugs it is him.
lulz, im sorry to burst your bubble, but i know that dirk is on em. and lebron doesnt take any more of em than any other common nba player.he just has some mad genetics to start with.

Hellcrooner
10-09-2009, 10:32 AM
mmm dirk fALLS in the same categoy as pau, was very thin when cmoing to the leauge, and well not that thy are monsters now but still they are much much stronger.

they are as suspicious as anybody else

Fayzon10
10-09-2009, 11:01 AM
Hgh....

JasonJohnHorn
10-09-2009, 11:26 AM
Firstly, Marion Jones has tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, so that goes out the window there (though she did get away with it for about six years according to her). That said I don't think basketball is typically the type of sport where steroids are even a benefit. Steroids give you muscle, and the only positions that require muscle is power forward and center. Athleticism is far more inportant in the NBA and steroids usually limits athleticism. That said, runners to use it, specifically to get huge thighs, but if you look at NBA players, especially small forwards and guard, they are lean and need to be. Add muscle can slow perimeter plays down and steroids increases chances of injury.

In recent years there have been players who bulked up a lot early in their careers (Dwight Howard for example), but it is important to note that Howard came from highschool, he was naturally skinny and naturally filled out as he entered his 20's. His growth was likely a combination of weight training (he does work with elite trainers) and the natural growth of a young adult. He did get size throughout his rookie year and into the offseason, not just in the offseason, and he has maintaint his athleticism which isn't common in steroid users. Tell tale signs are heavy acne, aggressive behaviour, spaces between teeth, wide jaw and even growth of the head, none of which I have notice in Howard or any other NBA players.

Couple with that the NBA has one of the most hard core drug testing policies. Alonzo Morning for example, said that random test occur throughout the year at any time and even when he was in Africa doing charity work, the NBA had a test done randomly without any prior knowledge, and many players have been suspended for drugs (usually recreeational drugs such as pot), so I don't think the players would be likely to get away with it.

And using steroid right before a game won't help for that game.

Cheers

MaHaRaJaH
10-09-2009, 12:08 PM
I read many track&field athletes use a type of steroid cream known as "the clear" for performance enhancement. And the clear can not be tested. Athletes like Marion Jones used it through out her career and was never tested positive for enhancement drugs. Now, I'm no specialist in performance enhancement drugs. So my question is do you think some NBA players would use "the clear" cream for right before big games? Such as Game 6 or Game 7 of a playoff series just to give them that little extra speed and hops and endurance??
No, probably not because it doesn't "work that way", now using it throughout the season that's more likely. Steroids don't make you a "better" player (hard to prove anyway) however it gives you the energy to be Consistent. If Player A is dropping 30 pts a game, but the last month he's only putting up 15 pts a game, then steroids or PED will give you the energy you need to be ABLE to put up the 30. It's not a power serum that makes you super, just Consistent- which CAN make all the difference for a post season run.


And the funny thing is I can actually see Wade being on some sort of performance enhancement drugs.
I don't think lebron uses steroid and I don't think Kobe uses steroids.
Dwight Howard though is questionable. He came into the league skinny as hell and in just about 1 summer he turned into Superman.

Really, if you're gonna accuse one with out solid proof then everybody is equally likely. Looks are the popular target for "suspects", if it's for muscle building then yea it's the obvious thing to look for. But these atheletes are already fit they don't need Jay Cutler type muscles for what they do. They need it to be consistent (if they can't lug it through the season).


What can I take that wont hurt me to get me as big as some of these athletes in the shortest amount of time? (given that I work out 3 times a week for 1.5 hours a day)
You can take w.e you want so long as you do _not__abuse__it_.

MaHaRaJaH
10-09-2009, 12:12 PM
no you dont want it.

You dont want your DIck to go smaller

you dont want to have heart trouble when you are 40

you dont want to have a flaccid dick.

you dont want to die because a vein explodes in your brain.

you dont want your bones to be empty and break when you are 40


you dont want to get cancer

you dont want to get pancrethic diseases

and so on and on and on

It's your testicles and reversable.
As for the rest, please find me one solid source where they DO NOT USE hospital patients as the study subjects (obvious bias).

MaHaRaJaH
10-09-2009, 12:15 PM
Steroids do not shrink your Dick. That is non sense. If you have done any credible research you would know this. It can shrink your balls if you have taken them over a long period of time. Because your balls realize you don't need any more testosteron so they stop producing until you stop taking it.

When females take certain types of steroids it actually turns the clitorious into a penis over a long period of time. Does it make any logical sense that it would shrink a man's penis. In some cases it increases size but is very rare.

heart trouble is propaganda. You can increase your cholesterol but its nothing serious. There has been a reported 12 people who have died from steroids. But not one of those reports are conclusive and most doctors say that those deaths were not from steroids.

Veins exploding in your brain? ha ha wow made up

Cancer had never been proven

Steroids actually increase your bone density.

I have done a lot of research on them. And your claims make no sense. Look up the makers of these drugs and the purposes of them and you will find what complications you can have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

Finally somebody who did their Science Homework.

Hellcrooner
10-09-2009, 12:16 PM
you can check the links i posted earlier and tell me is a coincidence

MaHaRaJaH
10-09-2009, 12:20 PM
They all play a part. And diet is more important than any hormone you take for gaining muscle.

Exactly! Can't build muscles if you don't have the Protein to convert the fat.

Ware_Spencer
10-09-2009, 01:16 PM
Link- http://www.drugabuse.gov/InfoFacts/Steroids.html

In moderation I think steroids aren't a complete bad thing but most people who are willing to take them don't have the best judgment. Abusing roids and "enhancement" drugs have horrible side effects down the line, even long after you've stopped using

You can literally die from drinking too much water. Taking the recommended dosage for IB profen kills thousands of people a year. Steroids in moderation is perfectly fine. And even when guys take too much there isn't really any death threatening side effects.

After you stop using them there is things to increase your ball size back to normal within a week.

You can build up the Big boobs over years like on Fight Club. But it takes years of use. They become sensitive is when it starts like woman. But they have a drug to stop that if that happens also. More hair baldness is true but no major side effects.

Ware_Spencer
10-09-2009, 01:24 PM
Firstly, Marion Jones has tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, so that goes out the window there (though she did get away with it for about six years according to her). That said I don't think basketball is typically the type of sport where steroids are even a benefit. Steroids give you muscle, and the only positions that require muscle is power forward and center. Athleticism is far more inportant in the NBA and steroids usually limits athleticism. That said, runners to use it, specifically to get huge thighs, but if you look at NBA players, especially small forwards and guard, they are lean and need to be. Add muscle can slow perimeter plays down and steroids increases chances of injury.

In recent years there have been players who bulked up a lot early in their careers (Dwight Howard for example), but it is important to note that Howard came from highschool, he was naturally skinny and naturally filled out as he entered his 20's. His growth was likely a combination of weight training (he does work with elite trainers) and the natural growth of a young adult. He did get size throughout his rookie year and into the offseason, not just in the offseason, and he has maintaint his athleticism which isn't common in steroid users. Tell tale signs are heavy acne, aggressive behaviour, spaces between teeth, wide jaw and even growth of the head, none of which I have notice in Howard or any other NBA players.

Couple with that the NBA has one of the most hard core drug testing policies. Alonzo Morning for example, said that random test occur throughout the year at any time and even when he was in Africa doing charity work, the NBA had a test done randomly without any prior knowledge, and many players have been suspended for drugs (usually recreeational drugs such as pot), so I don't think the players would be likely to get away with it.

And using steroid right before a game won't help for that game.

Cheers

Steroids are not just for muscle mass. You are not educated enough on this subject.

You can produce lean dense muscle and increase you agility. I know the exact steroid that will do it. And one for each of them. Also increase your tendons. All those things can help with what you are talking about.

And the signs for steroids are not shown right away. The symptoms or side effects you are talking about does not come until years of use. So you cannot exclude anybody because they could be just getting started or using it in moderation. Some guys never show signs either. Everybody's body is different

And you are correct most steroids don't work for using them right before a game. It takes time to build up in the system because of the drug half-life.
BUT there is steroids that you can never take at all than take one before a game and it will increase you energy and almost feel amped and your awareness and confidence goes through the roof almost immediately. Your endurance increases almost immediately also.

Ware_Spencer
10-09-2009, 01:27 PM
Exactly! Can't build muscles if you don't have the Protein to convert the fat.

There is different theories on what happens to the fat. But from what I researched and what makes sense to me is that everyone has a certain amount of fat cells and muscle cells. And you can't change that. But you can shrink those cells and increase size.

So by eating right and exercising you can increase your muscle size by eating protein and carbs. And shrinking fat cells is harder to do but eating low fat foods with less carbs also helps. Cardio is the best method of course.

Ware_Spencer
10-09-2009, 01:32 PM
"The clear" is the brand name of the steroid.

The proper term is Tetrahydrogestrinone.

That is on the list of every major sport now and is tested because a sample was sent to the world anti-doping agency from a disgruntled coach. And that is the only reason they found the drug. It had been used for years.
But according to the major sports they test for it now.

Its a combination of gestrinone and trenbolone which are very powerful steroids.

But when guys like Lebron and other athletes are the face of the NBA? Do you really think they are going to risk the entire league and billions of dollars to bust him for drugs.

The just need to show good faith with testing and bust a few people here and there so the government doesn't get involved.

Hellcrooner
10-09-2009, 01:51 PM
on teh contrary is the league wich WONT riske its reputationg by reporting a positive from lebron

Ware_Spencer
10-09-2009, 02:22 PM
on teh contrary is the league wich WONT riske its reputationg by reporting a positive from lebron

On the contrary? but than your response says you agree with me but its hard to tell because you misspelled most of it. And it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Can you say that again please?

I am guessing you are saying that the league that doesn't report his positive drug test makes them look bad?

If that is what you are saying than maybe they don't drug test Lebron at all?

Is the league going to lose any more money by not testing him? The courts cannot prove that they were being bias because it is random. If they don't test him than if he ever gets caught than the blame goes to lebron and not the league. That is how the media will portray it.

ink
10-09-2009, 02:57 PM
Do NBA athletes dope? Sure. Why wouldn't they. Where there is big money to be made there are big doping issues. Pro sport is full of drug cheats because the risks seem worth it because of the $$$$$$.

And why do posters continue to confuse steroids with all other PED's? Steroids are only one form of PED. There are others that are not as easily detectable. It's a straw man to talk about whether steroids would help athletes or not all the time since steroids are not the only type of doping going on. Usually the athletes are far out in front of the drug testing police. The athlete's suppliers are the ones inventing and developing the PED's right? That's why we go through phases with these drugs. In the 80's (Carl Lewis, Ben Johnson era) it was all steroids and amphetamines. But that was almost 30 years ago!! Come on, catch up! At least read about BALCO and The Clear to get within 10 years of today's drug cheats.

AIsixersFK
10-09-2009, 03:36 PM
if lebron did it it started at the crib

GAWDtv
10-09-2009, 03:42 PM
First, I remember Dewight was huge for a kid coming out of high school. Look at some rookie picks.

As far as who's on what DeWight and LBJ look like HGH'ers.

OBredskin
10-09-2009, 03:44 PM
PEDs aren't the question....it's ILLEGAL PEDs.

Saying an athlete takes drugs is as true as saying your grandmother takes drugs, everyone is on some type of drug (coffee, nicotine, pot, junk food, pain-killers, etc). But the question is...are they taking the types of drugs that will give them an unfair advantage and is this drug identified as 'illegal' by the NBA? NBA is hard to measure against b/c there is no drug that can make you dribble better, it takes practice, you won't find a drug that will help you shoot a three pointer, or even shoot free throws...so my question is what drug or drugs could help a player in the NBA have an unfair advantage over any other player by taking the drug.

The saddest thing about steroids is that anyone who gains muscle or gets stronger it's immediately believed that the only way to have developed muscle is solely through the use of steroids. I think D. Howard and D. Wade are stronger than they were, but I just can't say that it's b/c of some steroid or PED and not practice and dedication.

MaHaRaJaH
10-09-2009, 06:05 PM
There is different theories on what happens to the fat. But from what I researched and what makes sense to me is that everyone has a certain amount of fat cells and muscle cells. And you can't change that. But you can shrink those cells and increase size.

So by eating right and exercising you can increase your muscle size by eating protein and carbs. And shrinking fat cells is harder to do but eating low fat foods with less carbs also helps. Cardio is the best method of course.

In layman's terms anyhow, but it all starts from protein synthesis and energy conversion and all that Fun Stuff.

The wonders a Jog can do for ya.

MaHaRaJaH
10-09-2009, 06:08 PM
BUT there is steroids that you can never take at all than take one before a game and it will increase you energy and almost feel amped and your awareness and confidence goes through the roof almost immediately. Your endurance increases almost immediately also.

You can run alot of ways with that one, for one thing Energy Drinks can do just as much. Just believing in something is enough to change hormone output all together.

nbafan63
10-10-2009, 06:14 AM
Firstly, Marion Jones has tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, so that goes out the window there (though she did get away with it for about six years according to her). That said I don't think basketball is typically the type of sport where steroids are even a benefit. Steroids give you muscle, and the only positions that require muscle is power forward and center. Athleticism is far more inportant in the NBA and steroids usually limits athleticism. That said, runners to use it, specifically to get huge thighs, but if you look at NBA players, especially small forwards and guard, they are lean and need to be. Add muscle can slow perimeter plays down and steroids increases chances of injury.

In recent years there have been players who bulked up a lot early in their careers (Dwight Howard for example), but it is important to note that Howard came from highschool, he was naturally skinny and naturally filled out as he entered his 20's. His growth was likely a combination of weight training (he does work with elite trainers) and the natural growth of a young adult. He did get size throughout his rookie year and into the offseason, not just in the offseason, and he has maintaint his athleticism which isn't common in steroid users. Tell tale signs are heavy acne, aggressive behaviour, spaces between teeth, wide jaw and even growth of the head, none of which I have notice in Howard or any other NBA players.

Couple with that the NBA has one of the most hard core drug testing policies. Alonzo Morning for example, said that random test occur throughout the year at any time and even when he was in Africa doing charity work, the NBA had a test done randomly without any prior knowledge, and many players have been suspended for drugs (usually recreeational drugs such as pot), so I don't think the players would be likely to get away with it.

And using steroid right before a game won't help for that game.

Cheers


Um, no you are wrong. Marion Jones never tested positive for PEDs in her career. She got busted for purchasing large quantity of "The Clear". And then she admitted she has been using it. It's well documented and you can search google.

As for Howard...you call that naturally filling out? He came into the league very young and skinny. So ofcourse he would grow and gain some weight. But take a look at his 1st yr pictures vs his 2nd yr pictures. No one gets that big in 1-1.5 yr without PEDs. He went from twig to semi superman in a very short amount of time. Hey everyone fills out over the years, but not in 1.5 year and you cant even call that "filling out". He straight became a body builder.

kArSoN RyDaH
10-10-2009, 06:44 AM
i honestly didnt even noe nba tests for steroids. and if they do i would think lebron uses them. the guy gets biggger and biggger everytime i see him. if basketball never worked out hed sure make a sweeet azzz nfl reciever.

Drunk Kosar 19
10-10-2009, 12:12 PM
IF lebron did take juice he'd be a 1 man wrecking crew

theuuord
10-10-2009, 12:42 PM
who cares?

MaHaRaJaH
10-10-2009, 03:31 PM
i honestly didnt even noe nba tests for steroids. and if they do i would think lebron uses them. the guy gets biggger and biggger everytime i see him. if basketball never worked out hed sure make a sweeet azzz nfl reciever.

400 years ago seeing a man live past 30 AND taller than 5'6 was miraculous.

MaHaRaJaH
10-10-2009, 03:35 PM
As for Howard...you call that naturally filling out? He came into the league very young and skinny. So ofcourse he would grow and gain some weight. But take a look at his 1st yr pictures vs his 2nd yr pictures. No one gets that big in 1-1.5 yr without PEDs. He went from twig to semi superman in a very short amount of time. Hey everyone fills out over the years, but not in 1.5 year and you cant even call that "filling out". He straight became a body builder.

Irrelevent since since an average person hit's your *peak* hormone years around 16-19, however with atheletes it's different for obvious reasons. Using a pictured and a "time frame" really does not prove squat since muscle mass is not always the intended output.

sofargone
10-10-2009, 04:09 PM
lebron and dwight probably started using steroids around age 14

rabzouz 96
10-10-2009, 06:38 PM
lebron and dwight probably started using steroids around age 14

as well as any other bball/football/baseball/... player on the better college level.

Ware_Spencer
10-11-2009, 12:34 PM
You can run alot of ways with that one, for one thing Energy Drinks can do just as much. Just believing in something is enough to change hormone output all together.

When you take energy drinks you are scattered brained but confident.

Steroids don't make you scatter brained. You think clearly. Very Big difference.

You are putting a synthetic into your body but its just more of what you already have.

Energy drinks is not more of what your body has. Its pushing your body into something thats not natural. I am not saying these steroids are natural but its just a synthetic copy of what you already have.

Ware_Spencer
10-11-2009, 12:42 PM
Lets get everything "Clear" first.

There is genetic freaks who literally have to do no cardio at all and can stay cut.

There is also freaks who have tons of endurance even when they don't exercise.

And there are freaks who can get big very quickly.
etc etc etc

But to have combination of all of these things is very rare without some help.

Even if you take steroids it does nothing for your body unless you train hard also. If you just inject yourself you will gain a bigger appetite and maybe more body hair. But you will not gain more muscle without proper diet and exercise.

So to be fast, have tons of endurance, strong, your head keeps increasing in size even into your 20's? and you keep gaining more muscle every year without water weight or fat just within an off-season is amazing.

A lot of these guys are using in my opinion. Some are using more than others and some have better genetics than others.
Its the combination of everything that is amazing and not something that is natural.

But I would say Steroids only account for 20-30 maybe 40 percent of your training. The rest is hard work in the gym and your eating habits.

Just Food for thought.....Protein shakes are synthetic also. So if people wanna talk about natural or not. That is not natural. Chemically made.

MaHaRaJaH
10-11-2009, 01:22 PM
When you take energy drinks you are scattered brained but confident.

Steroids don't make you scatter brained. You think clearly. Very Big difference.

You are putting a synthetic into your body but its just more of what you already have.

Energy drinks is not more of what your body has. Its pushing your body into something thats not natural. I am not saying these steroids are natural but its just a synthetic copy of what you already have.

Yes, but also you can do that by yourself just by believing ie Stress and Adrenaline output.

MaHaRaJaH
10-11-2009, 01:24 PM
Just Food for thought.....Protein shakes are synthetic also. So if people wanna talk about natural or not. That is not natural. Chemically made.

I agree! But also everybody should know there is no difference between Synthetic and Natural :D

Ware_Spencer
10-11-2009, 07:02 PM
Yes, but also you can do that by yourself just by believing ie Stress and Adrenaline output.

Not to the same effect or to the same levels. Dramatically different effect.

Hellcrooner
10-12-2009, 09:26 PM
hey ware spencer take this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Vandenbroucke_(cyclist)

he died today.


Just another name to add to the list of links i put in one of the ealrier posts.

dee279
10-12-2009, 09:43 PM
I read many track&field athletes use a type of steroid cream known as "the clear" for performance enhancement. And the clear can not be tested. Athletes like Marion Jones used it through out her career and was never tested positive for enhancement drugs. Now, I'm no specialist in performance enhancement drugs. So my question is do you think some NBA players would use "the clear" cream for right before big games? Such as Game 6 or Game 7 of a playoff series just to give them that little extra speed and hops and endurance??

If so, which players do you think might use it?

Personally, I've read some reports from Wade's ex-business partner claiming that Wade uses steroids. And the funny thing is I can actually see Wade being on some sort of performance enhancement drugs.

I don't think lebron uses steroid and I don't think Kobe uses steroids.

Dwight Howard though is questionable. He came into the league skinny as hell and in just about 1 summer he turned into Superman. No one guys THAT big that fast. I mean you can't possibly work out that much in that short period of time. You'd have to let your muscles rest and heal before you work out again.

Any GNC or trainers in here? What can I take that wont hurt me to get me as big as some of these athletes in the shortest amount of time? (given that I work out 3 times a week for 1.5 hours a day)

Do we have a Wade Hater?:eyebrow:

rabzouz 96
10-13-2009, 08:26 AM
hey ware spencer take this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Vandenbroucke_(cyclist)

he died today.


Just another name to add to the list of links i put in one of the ealrier posts.

um, what exactly should that show?

Hellcrooner
10-13-2009, 12:20 PM
that doping leads to the consecuences i told , heart disease, embolia etc etc etc.

MaHaRaJaH
10-13-2009, 03:01 PM
that doping leads to the consecuences i told , heart disease, embolia etc etc etc.

There is no proven correlation. That link didn't prove much either :S, there's consequences for everything you _take to much of_ -yes even water.

MaHaRaJaH
10-13-2009, 03:05 PM
Not to the same effect or to the same levels. Dramatically different effect.

It's enough to change the Game :)

theuuord
10-13-2009, 03:09 PM
that doping leads to the consecuences i told , heart disease, embolia etc etc etc.

um, correlation does not equal causation.

rabzouz 96
10-13-2009, 05:08 PM
that doping leads to the consecuences i told , heart disease, embolia etc etc etc.

he was a cocaine addict and had many more problems, there were many things that might have lead to his death, this proves nothing.(which doesnt mean that steroids have no side effects either)

rhymeratic
10-13-2009, 05:30 PM
I'm gonna have to say no on this one. Anyone who's played the game KNOWS that skill is required. No drug on this earth is gonna make you a better shooter. Look at Shaq & Ben Wallace and their freethrows as examples.

The only thing I could see is if there was something to help them with their endurance as the only thing that would ultimately limit you is that. But like bulking up etc, that doesn't really help a player in basketball as opposed to football/baseball.

Sure increased strength might help a little bit from getting around a pick or not bumped off a loose ball but in the end those are likely fouls anyway.

Average basketball player is only abusing weed and that's a part of basketball culture. Shoot it'll be legal soon enough "get it done Obama" and then it'll be a non issue.

Ware_Spencer
10-13-2009, 07:20 PM
I'm gonna have to say no on this one. Anyone who's played the game KNOWS that skill is required. No drug on this earth is gonna make you a better shooter. Look at Shaq & Ben Wallace and their freethrows as examples.

The only thing I could see is if there was something to help them with their endurance as the only thing that would ultimately limit you is that. But like bulking up etc, that doesn't really help a player in basketball as opposed to football/baseball.

Sure increased strength might help a little bit from getting around a pick or not bumped off a loose ball but in the end those are likely fouls anyway.

Average basketball player is only abusing weed and that's a part of basketball culture. Shoot it'll be legal soon enough "get it done Obama" and then it'll be a non issue.

strength is huge! how can you even say that. Low post players need that a lot. It takes strength to jump high. It takes strength to run faster.
Steroids can lube your joints, create lean quality muscle. They are not just for bulking.
I will say it again. There is hundreds of hormones. And they all serve different purposes.

Speed is just as important in the NBA as the NFL. And there is hormones that increase your speed. They used to give it to race horses.

If you look at the elite players in the league. What do they that the other players do not. Speed and strength. Usually players like Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Melo, etc can get to the hole even though they are bumped. It takes lot of strength to run into PF's and C's and still lay it up.

its not about just bulking. There is so many ways you can improve your game with hormones in basketball.

Hellcrooner
10-13-2009, 08:04 PM
Florence Griffitth

Hellcrooner
10-13-2009, 08:05 PM
i hae a better idea im going to start tellign names of WWE guys who died young in "misterious" circumstances.

Ware_Spencer
10-14-2009, 02:41 AM
i hae a better idea im going to start tellign names of WWE guys who died young in "misterious" circumstances.

Your just listing guys who have died in sports.

You have shown no proof in any of your links. Its pretty pathetic. At least show something.

But keep trying its funny hearing how your so confident with no proof. Keep going its entertaining.

theuuord
10-14-2009, 02:57 AM
i hae a better idea im going to start tellign names of WWE guys who died young in "misterious" circumstances.

and then i'll start naming all the celebrities who died at age 27 to prove that there is a mass murderer against 27-year-old celebrities.

oh, wait. i'm not an idiot.

rabzouz 96
10-14-2009, 07:32 AM
strength is huge! how can you even say that. Low post players need that a lot. It takes strength to jump high. It takes strength to run faster.
Steroids can lube your joints, create lean quality muscle. They are not just for bulking.
I will say it again. There is hundreds of hormones. And they all serve different purposes.

Speed is just as important in the NBA as the NFL. And there is hormones that increase your speed. They used to give it to race horses.

If you look at the elite players in the league. What do they that the other players do not. Speed and strength. Usually players like Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Melo, etc can get to the hole even though they are bumped. It takes lot of strength to run into PF's and C's and still lay it up.

its not about just bulking. There is so many ways you can improve your game with hormones in basketball.
this. plus recovery after training and having fresh legs for the next game day.

i hae a better idea im going to start tellign names of WWE guys who died young in "misterious" circumstances.
yeah,but most wwe guys are drug addicts as well. you gotta look at more of the thigs they do besides roids.

rhymeratic
10-14-2009, 08:27 AM
strength is huge! how can you even say that. Low post players need that a lot. It takes strength to jump high. It takes strength to run faster.
Steroids can lube your joints, create lean quality muscle. They are not just for bulking.
I will say it again. There is hundreds of hormones. And they all serve different purposes.

Speed is just as important in the NBA as the NFL. And there is hormones that increase your speed. They used to give it to race horses.

If you look at the elite players in the league. What do they that the other players do not. Speed and strength. Usually players like Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Melo, etc can get to the hole even though they are bumped. It takes lot of strength to run into PF's and C's and still lay it up.

its not about just bulking. There is so many ways you can improve your game with hormones in basketball.

Like I said b4, the key to it to me is endurance. The ONLY way I see them taking stuff is for endurance. Those who don't get tired play better, simple as that. Even still, with the rules of the game, power is no longer a mandatory item. Like there is only 1 shaq and they regulate him differently in games compared to other bigs because of it.

Basketball is different in that you can only move as fast as your body coordination with the ball. You don't want to be overly-hyped, more often than not you want to be calm to focus. These dudes are known weed-heads, plain and simple. Nothin more.

The ONLY guy that comes to mind in which he was doing stuff but looked like a fool for it was Kendal Gill way back in the day...

http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/gill_254_020930.jpg

And he ended up boxing in the end anyway.

MaHaRaJaH
10-14-2009, 09:31 AM
i hae a better idea im going to start tellign names of WWE guys who died young in "misterious" circumstances.

But before anybody does that everybody ignores how the beat themselves up and frequently take Pain Killers and other various substances to bear the pain.

Ware_Spencer
10-14-2009, 02:50 PM
Like I said b4, the key to it to me is endurance. The ONLY way I see them taking stuff is for endurance. Those who don't get tired play better, simple as that. Even still, with the rules of the game, power is no longer a mandatory item. Like there is only 1 shaq and they regulate him differently in games compared to other bigs because of it.

Basketball is different in that you can only move as fast as your body coordination with the ball. You don't want to be overly-hyped, more often than not you want to be calm to focus. These dudes are known weed-heads, plain and simple. Nothin more.

The ONLY guy that comes to mind in which he was doing stuff but looked like a fool for it was Kendal Gill way back in the day...

http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/gill_254_020930.jpg

And he ended up boxing in the end anyway.

You did it again. ha ha

You keep thinking that steroids are to just make you big. Wow you need to study up on the subject.

And the only amped you know is caffeine obviously. Big difference between the two

Hellcrooner
10-14-2009, 03:52 PM
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/doping-for-gold/the-dangers-of-doping#

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1840625.stm

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.ch2?pageCategory.id=932

http://www.wma.net/es/40news/20archives/1998/1998_11/index.html

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/News-Detail.63.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=63&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=2&cHash=16276c71a2


now STFU wise guy .


If they werent dangerous they would not be prohibited and EVERY athlete woudl take them

rabzouz 96
10-14-2009, 05:35 PM
Like I said b4, the key to it to me is endurance. The ONLY way I see them taking stuff is for endurance. Those who don't get tired play better, simple as that. Even still, with the rules of the game, power is no longer a mandatory item. Like there is only 1 shaq and they regulate him differently in games compared to other bigs because of it.

Basketball is different in that you can only move as fast as your body coordination with the ball. You don't want to be overly-hyped, more often than not you want to be calm to focus. These dudes are known weed-heads, plain and simple. Nothin more.

The ONLY guy that comes to mind in which he was doing stuff but looked like a fool for it was Kendal Gill way back in the day...

http://www.nba.com/media/timberwolves/gill_254_020930.jpg

And he ended up boxing in the end anyway.
nah you have a wrong image of roids and tha nba game.
dunno if it means anything to you or to this debate, but recently i talked to a guy who played d-1 college basketball and for the german junior national team but had to stop due to knee problems and knows some nba players like nowitzki and he told me that juicing there is as normal as eating breakfast for all the d-1 players and pros (thats why i said i know that dirk does em earlier in this thread) just because you wont have heavy legs after the games and training sessions, where normally you would be totally weary and broke down and in no shape to bring top performances the time after.

Ware_Spencer
10-14-2009, 07:55 PM
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/doping-for-gold/the-dangers-of-doping#

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1840625.stm

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.ch2?pageCategory.id=932

http://www.wma.net/es/40news/20archives/1998/1998_11/index.html

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/News-Detail.63.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=63&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=2&cHash=16276c71a2


now STFU wise guy .


If they werent dangerous they would not be prohibited and EVERY athlete woudl take them

Oh our government would never lie to us would they? ha ha

This is about profit. And if they give you something that actually heals you and fixes the problem you don't need to come back.

Drug companies make the most profit off of numbing the pain than actually fixing the problem.

The medical industry was actually against the ban of Steroids in the medical industry. Thousands and thousands of doctors.

FDA banned it. Not the doctors.

Hellcrooner
10-14-2009, 09:55 PM
Oh surprising the4 Medica INDUSTRY against governments bannign their PRODUCT tey sell adn all.

I recomend you to watch SICKO and learn one thing or two about Medicine and Medichal industry i your country.

Thanks god Obama is going to do seomthign about that.
If he is not shot in dallas or in atheater or in a restaurant becaus eof being so " comunist"

of course

theuuord
10-14-2009, 10:34 PM
Oh surprising the4 Medica INDUSTRY against governments bannign their PRODUCT tey sell adn all.

I recomend you to watch SICKO and learn one thing or two about Medicine and Medichal industry i your country.

Thanks god Obama is going to do seomthign about that.
If he is not shot in dallas or in atheater or in a restaurant becaus eof being so " comunist"

of course

Sicko has the average amount of mistruths in any Michael Moore film, which I believe is about 34 per minute.


How do you feel about the illegality of marijuana in America?

D-Will4Prez
10-14-2009, 10:35 PM
Dwight Howard uses a BlowFlex, not steroid cream lol :laugh:

MaHaRaJaH
10-15-2009, 07:41 AM
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/doping-for-gold/the-dangers-of-doping#

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1840625.stm

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/dynamic.ch2?pageCategory.id=932

http://www.wma.net/es/40news/20archives/1998/1998_11/index.html

http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/News-Detail.63.0.html?&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=63&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=2&cHash=16276c71a2


now STFU wise guy .


If they werent dangerous they would not be prohibited and EVERY athlete woudl take them

They already probably do, lol. You do realize a lot of the studies "they preform" are hospital patients who happen to be on that stuff. You can already see the obvious Bias associated with that.

MaHaRaJaH
10-15-2009, 07:43 AM
nah you have a wrong image of roids and tha nba game.
dunno if it means anything to you or to this debate, but recently i talked to a guy who played d-1 college basketball and for the german junior national team but had to stop due to knee problems and knows some nba players like nowitzki and he told me that juicing there is as normal as eating breakfast for all the d-1 players and pros (thats why i said i know that dirk does em earlier in this thread) just because you wont have heavy legs after the games and training sessions, where normally you would be totally weary and broke down and in no shape to bring top performances the time after.

The hidden truth about growing up to be very tall is your bones are more brittle which makes you more prone to injury. 'Specially the knee.

MaHaRaJaH
10-15-2009, 07:46 AM
I recomend you to watch SICKO and learn one thing or two about Medicine and Medichal industry i your country.

You do know Michael Moore has a strange habit of "lieing" lol, if not that "distorting the truth in a way where he looks liek the good guy".

Hellcrooner
10-15-2009, 11:09 AM
he seems oretty acurate to me.

ive been to usa several times and well nothing i saw does make me believe he is not true.

Of course he will magnificate some things or rsent them in a flamboyant and sometimes even a but distorted way but the reaity is there.

And since i live in a country with a social security system ( we are not broke, the state doe snot control us when we go to pee, we dont pay ANYTHING NEVER for our medical care, we ha ve not become comunist zombies, the earth hasnt opened under our feet , the quality of its is so good that a lot of foreigners in lcuding americans tha thave some heart problems come here and force a heart attack to get the attention here, etc etc)

I can tell you in SICKO he is right in the nail. in 80% of the film.

What he says about medicin in usa is true.

what he says about canadian, enlgish and french medicin is true.

He somwhat lies about the situation in CUba tough.

MaHaRaJaH
10-15-2009, 12:26 PM
he seems oretty acurate to me.

ive been to usa several times and well nothing i saw does make me believe he is not true.

Of course he will magnificate some things or rsent them in a flamboyant and sometimes even a but distorted way but the reaity is there.

And since i live in a country with a social security system ( we are not broke, the state doe snot control us when we go to pee, we dont pay ANYTHING NEVER for our medical care, we ha ve not become comunist zombies, the earth hasnt opened under our feet , the quality of its is so good that a lot of foreigners in lcuding americans tha thave some heart problems come here and force a heart attack to get the attention here, etc etc)

I can tell you in SICKO he is right in the nail. in 80% of the film.

What he says about medicin in usa is true.

what he says about canadian, enlgish and french medicin is true.

He somwhat lies about the situation in CUba tough.

What he says about Canadian medecine is not entirely true since a) the city he used happen to be a small one b) Canada's population is 33 million vs. USA's 330million (3rd largest in the world). So ofcourse Canada will have better care per patient than America.
My cousin was a doctor in England, India, and now in USA. To say America's healthcare system is the degree which Michael Moore presented it, is a lie. If anything he's right about the Pharmaceutical companies they are the REAL theives. But this is all Irrelevant! Since no peer reviewed studies show PEDs causes So many problems!

rabzouz 96
10-15-2009, 12:57 PM
The hidden truth about growing up to be very tall is your bones are more brittle which makes you more prone to injury. 'Specially the knee.

knees,back, ankles, most joints who have to hold the weight, but it depends on your anatomy.
a problem that comes along with this and with peds is that you can stress your body,joints and ligaments over their capability without feeling the natural warning signs such as severe pain,etc, also because other than muscles.the ligaments and joints wont improve in a drastic way from hormone intake, which can lead to future problems, which will prolly show after your career.
but i agree that theres too much misleading studies(or a lack of em on a general basis) on steroid intake and their toll on the human body, i wouldnt say theyre harmless though when taken in large amounts, but that depends heavily on the hormones one takes, a small example could be andreas munzer if youve heard something of him.
i also think that the days where natural athlets could compete lay behind us and have been surpassed for some time now.

MaHaRaJaH
10-15-2009, 01:04 PM
knees,back, ankles, most joints who have to hold the weight, but it depends on your anatomy.
a problem that comes along with this and with peds is that you can stress your body,joints and ligaments over their capability without feeling the natural warning signs such as severe pain,etc, also because other than muscles.the ligaments and joints wont improve in a drastic way from hormone intake, which can lead to future problems, which will prolly show after your career.
but i agree that theres too much misleading studies(or a lack of em on a general basis) on steroid intake and their toll on the human body, i wouldnt say theyre harmless though when taken in large amounts, but that depends heavily on the hormones one takes, a small example could be andreas munzer if youve heard something of him.
i also think that the days where natural athlets could compete lay behind us and have been surpassed for some time now.
Because there is barely any cartilage left, and you still continue to grow.
I would believe that if you can show me a Peer Reviewed Article (that does NOT USE hospital patients). Otherwise no correlation.
Because it's banned. lol.
Which is the First Law of Biology- Too much of anything is Bad for you, yes even water.

Good you gave a Very Important Point, if an athelete takes PEDs to make his "game better" you really think that's going to stop them from taking Other substances to ease pain? Biggest example of this is Wrestlers. They need their steroids to get big at the same time take vast amounts of other stuff so they can get slammed. And there is no off-season for WWE.

Ware_Spencer
10-19-2009, 09:06 PM
he seems oretty acurate to me.

ive been to usa several times and well nothing i saw does make me believe he is not true.

Of course he will magnificate some things or rsent them in a flamboyant and sometimes even a but distorted way but the reaity is there.

And since i live in a country with a social security system ( we are not broke, the state doe snot control us when we go to pee, we dont pay ANYTHING NEVER for our medical care, we ha ve not become comunist zombies, the earth hasnt opened under our feet , the quality of its is so good that a lot of foreigners in lcuding americans tha thave some heart problems come here and force a heart attack to get the attention here, etc etc)

I can tell you in SICKO he is right in the nail. in 80% of the film.

What he says about medicin in usa is true.

what he says about canadian, enlgish and french medicin is true.

He somwhat lies about the situation in CUba tough.

The Canadian Healthcare system does not work in cities with large populations. I have family in Nova Scotia and in Ontario. Ontario my family members have major problems and they have been on a list for over a year to have surgery. Death related problems. And they still cannot get in.
In Nova Scotia which is a very small population they can get care. There is still waiting lists thought for people with not serious illnesses.

Our situation is not working either but going into the Universal healthcare system is just more of the same rather than a different path. More government intervention and more regulations. Which has made things worse. Giving more freedom to the medical industry is what will fix things. To say the medical industry can't work that is ignorant.
We had one of the best health care system in the world before the Great Depression. It works just like every other market.
Look at the health care industry in laser eye surgery and plastic surgery. Prices have dramatically dropped over the years and the service has dramatically improved. And the government is barely intervening compared to every other medical industry....hmm I wonder why?

The Communist Manifesto
1. Abolition of Private Property
2. Heavy Progressive Tax income
3. Abolition of all rights of Inheritance
4. Confiscation of property of all emigrants and rebels
5. Central Bank
6. Government control of Communication & Transportation
7. Government Control of Factories & Agriculture
8. Government Control of Labor
9. Corporate Farms, regional planning
10. Government Control of Education

We already have the majority of these already checked off. And we do not have capitalism. Even Michael Moore has admitted that (I have it on video).
Parts of our economy have been socialistic for a long time. There is transition between everything. We are supposed to be a republic not a democracy. Even Karl Marx said Democracy always leads to Socialism.
When was the greatest time of America?
Answer: When we upheld the Constitution and didn't allow the government to get out of control.
We produced the highest quality product for the cheapest price in almost all industries.
And we did not have these Booms and busts in the economies until the Federal Reserve took control and scientifically created them.

What it cost to buy something for 1 dollar in 1800. It cost 58 cents in 1913. The price of things came down and the purchasing power went up.

Federal Reserve came into power 1913. What it cost to buy something for 1 dollar in 1913. Now costs over 20 dollars now.

Mayer Amschil Rothschild
"Give me control of a nation's money
and I care not who makes the laws."

Thomas Jefferson
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

We should study history. And realize which path to take. History is very clear. To think because we are American it won't happen to us is very arrogant.
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