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solelimited
10-06-2009, 02:33 PM
I know i am going to get hate for this but this is an opinion. Im not dissing lebron's game, but he wont win a title in cleveland.

1. He wants to be the highest paid player in the NBA history. Which means he's going to take up too much salary cap. The Cavs aren't a big market team, their ownership wont go over the cap too much. He's better off going to LA, or New York, where the owners will spend money.

2. Veterans dont want to go there. This offseason lebron tried to get every big name free agent to come to cleveland, but no one came. For some reason big name free agents dont want to play for the cavs.

3. Ownership makes some questionable choices. Bring in shaq? Signing anderson varejao to that huge contract.

There are probably others but i cant think of them right now. The truth is unless he can win 1 vs 5 in every playoff series they wont win.

AGAIN IM SAYING LEBRON IS BALLER, BUT THE OWNERSHIP IS NO GOOD.

IF im wrong please explain why.

lakerboy
10-06-2009, 02:37 PM
1.) Because of those cocky kids in LA
2.) Because of Dwight Howard
3.) Because of the wheelchaired dude in Boston.

abe_froman
10-06-2009, 02:41 PM
so your assuming he's gonna sit out the rest of the year?

solelimited
10-06-2009, 02:43 PM
so your assuming he's gonna sit out the rest of the year?

no im saying no matter how hard he tries to win in a championship in cleveland it wont happen. If he wants a title in his career, He'll leave cleveland and sign with the new york.

Pierzynski4Prez
10-06-2009, 02:48 PM
could i take one guess as to what team you are a fan of?

abe_froman
10-06-2009, 02:48 PM
no im saying no matter how hard he tries to win in a championship in cleveland it wont happen. If he wants a title in his career, He'll leave cleveland and sign with the new york.

because ny has some magical powers??

he's made the finals while in cle(that team was all that good),and this team is considered one of the elites.so i cant understand your reasoning except that your hoping lebron goes to ny.because there's a pretty good possibility that he could win it this year

what is gonna give you better chance at a championship,shaq and z or hamburger eddy and darko....hmmm

solelimited
10-06-2009, 02:49 PM
could i take one guess as to what team you are a fan of?

LOL not the knicks, but the lakers.

Pierzynski4Prez
10-06-2009, 02:50 PM
because ny has some magical powers??

he's made the finals while in cle(that team was all that good),and this team is considered one of the elites.so i cant understand your reasoning except that your hoping lebron goes to ny.because there's a pretty good possibility that he could win it this year

The Knicks just keep rolling out those title banners, why wouldn't he just leave now for there.

Pierzynski4Prez
10-06-2009, 02:52 PM
LOL not the knicks, but the lakers.

Sorry, I had you for NY. There is 99.9999% chance that Lebron will not be a Laker next year.

Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, those 3 contracts right there put you at the cap next year.

solelimited
10-06-2009, 02:54 PM
because ny has some magical powers??

he's made the finals while in cle(that team was all that good),and this team is considered one of the elites.so i cant understand your reasoning except that your hoping lebron goes to ny.because there's a pretty good possibility that he could win it this year

it is not possible. He cant beat Orlando or Boston. Lets say shaq is effective against dwight. They have zero answer for rashard lewis. if orlando spreads the floor like they did last year, there have no1 on that roster that could guard him. This doesn't even include vince carter on mo williams. They have mismatches all over the floor. Even if he can get past them with that current team, they wont touch la.

solelimited
10-06-2009, 02:56 PM
Sorry, I had you for NY. There is 99.9999% chance that Lebron will not be a Laker next year.

Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, those 3 contracts right there put you at the cap next year.

Yeah i know. Trust me LA doesn't need lebron. Ill make it 110% chance he wont be a Laker next year.

Shady66
10-06-2009, 03:03 PM
Yeah i know. Trust me LA doesn't need lebron. Ill make it 110% chance he wont be a Laker next year.


No *****

heattiltheend94
10-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Cleveland won't win because they can't beat title contenders

nipo10847
10-06-2009, 03:15 PM
no im saying no matter how hard he tries to win in a championship in cleveland it wont happen. If he wants a title in his career, He'll leave cleveland and sign with the new york.

Get the **** outta here!!...worst and meaningless thread ever!!!!.....Cav's front office doesn't do anything without the king's opinion. Lebron doesn't need a big market. Endorsements and money will follow him where ever he goes (even if he goes to a village) bcz he is the KING of modern basketball. And finally wtf NY has to offer him a championship???????....NY is a crap as a team. Cav's can win the championship any time bcz they already are a contender and one of the best teams in the league. Where does NY rank??? king is not gonna lose 3/4 more yrs to b part of a rebuilding process.

flea
10-06-2009, 03:16 PM
Lebron won't win a title in Cleveland...until he does.

hoop talk
10-06-2009, 03:20 PM
it is not possible. He cant beat Orlando or Boston. Lets say shaq is effective against dwight. They have zero answer for rashard lewis. if orlando spreads the floor like they did last year, there have no1 on that roster that could guard him. This doesn't even include vince carter on mo williams. They have mismatches all over the floor. Even if he can get past them with that current team, they wont touch la.

Don't you think Lebron would guard him?

solelimited
10-06-2009, 03:21 PM
Get the **** outta here!!...worst and meaningless thread ever!!!!.....Cav's front office doesn't do anything without the king's opinion. Lebron doesn't need a big market. Endorsements and money will follow him where ever he goes (even if he goes to a village) bcz he is the KING of modern basketball. And finally wtf NY has to offer him a championship???????....NY is a crap as a team. Cav's can win the championship any time bcz they already are a contender and one of the best teams in the league. Where does NY rank??? king is not gonna lose 3/4 more yrs to b part of a rebuilding process.

Ok from what your saying all these bad moves that they make is LeBron's own fault. NY WILL SPEND MONEY. THE CAVS WONT. BOTTOM LINE.

abe_froman
10-06-2009, 03:22 PM
Ok from what your saying all these bad moves that they make is LeBron's own fault. NY WILL SPEND MONEY. THE CAVS WONT. BOTTOM LINE.

why wouldnt they?

solelimited
10-06-2009, 03:28 PM
why wouldnt they?

Have they ever shown that they are willing too? I mean NBA franchises are still an investment, Owners still have certain limit to still make a profit. Rich people wont put out money unless they are certain there is a return on their investment. And spending 80+ million a season wont happen in cleveland.

Raph12
10-06-2009, 03:28 PM
NY would have to be a long-term thing, because right now, the Knicks have nothing to work with.

abe_froman
10-06-2009, 03:39 PM
Have they ever shown that they are willing too? I mean NBA franchises are still an investment, Owners still have certain limit to still make a profit. Rich people wont put out money unless they are certain there is a return on their investment. And spending 80+ million a season wont happen in cleveland.

yes,yes they have.they have spent alot of money to bring in sidekicks for lebron over the years.the owner bought the team just because of him and you'd be a damn fool to think any team(except the jazz) wont do any and everything they can to keep hold of their cash cows.

no lebron=no relevance(and losing the mil upon mil that he generates for the club)

rothbb23
10-06-2009, 03:42 PM
getting shaq was not a questionable call? Id trade sasha pavlovich for ben wallace, and everyone of you would do the same if not your just being stubborn.

The cavs will win the championship this year lebron can mesh with anyone including shaq

nipo10847
10-06-2009, 03:49 PM
Ok from what your saying all these bad moves that they make is LeBron's own fault. NY WILL SPEND MONEY. THE CAVS WONT. BOTTOM LINE.

Yes, larry huges, Nate Robinson will b awesome partners for the KING....lmao!!!...Cav's had the best record last yr and they got better this yr. They didn't lose any significant players but brought in Parker, Leon Powe, and Shaq. Therefore, Cavs dont need to spend more. they have everything so win it all. NY ranks 12/13 in the east. Lebron knows it. He is not gonna **** up his career.

TheKing23
10-06-2009, 03:54 PM
it is not possible. He cant beat Orlando or Boston. Lets say shaq is effective against dwight. They have zero answer for rashard lewis. if orlando spreads the floor like they did last year, there have no1 on that roster that could guard him. This doesn't even include vince carter on mo williams. They have mismatches all over the floor. Even if he can get past them with that current team, they wont touch la.

Hahahaha, what are you smoking??

"They have zero answer for Rashard Lewis"... THEY HAVE ZERO ANSWER FOR LEBRON JAMES!! 38.5 PPG, 8 RPG, 8 APG! Rashard Lewis can't win a series all by himself... LeBron can, and Orlando can't stop him. At least with Rashard they can put LeBron on him at the four (even though Varejao won't do a bad job)... he would get locked down. One of the main reasons for the Cavs losing was the lack of support, with the off season moves they've made I don't see that being a problem. All of the players added are upgrades and will take the pressure off LeBron.

Hedo was the main reason for the mismatch problems because of his height, ball-handling ability and shooting. Those problems don't exist now. With Cleveland making the move for Shaq they have someone who can limit Dwight and he was the guy we had no answer for.

As for your previous statements of the Cavs won't spend the money... Are you mad??!! Have you seen the salaries they currently have on the books... $81 million. The luxury tax level is $69.9 million... The Cavs are over the luxury tax by $12 million!! They will spend as much money as they need to keep LeBron. They are one of highest grossing teams in the NBA and that is because of LeBron, without him they would struggle to sell tickets, so whatever money they spend to keep him they will make back from advertisement, sponsors etc. They need him more than NY do and for this reason they will spend more money than NY will. Free agents don't wanna go there this year because it isn't as desirable as NY, Miami, Chicago. Free agents are worried that they'll sign a big contract there and LeBron will up and leave in 2010. When he re-signs, free agents will be queuing up to join the Cavs and establish a dynasty.

Finally, why would he leave a top 3 team in the NBA to go to a rebuilding project in NY??? If he wants to win rings he wouldn't go to a team that won't contend for a couple of years. Besides the Cavs can offer him the biggest contract due to having his bird rights, so if he's money orientated he'll stay as well. He'll get his million dollar contracts anywhere... IT'S LEBRON JAMES.

nipo10847
10-06-2009, 03:59 PM
Hahahaha, what are you smoking??

"They have zero answer for Rashard Lewis"... THEY HAVE ZERO ANSWER FOR LEBRON JAMES!! 38.5 PPG, 8 RPG, 8 APG! Rashard Lewis can't win a series all by himself... LeBron can, and Orlando can't stop him. At least with Rashard they can put LeBron on him at the four (even though Varejao won't do a bad job)... he would get locked down. One of the main reasons for the Cavs losing was the lack of support, with the off season moves they've made I don't see that being a problem. All of the players added are upgrades and will take the pressure off LeBron.

Hedo was the main reason for the mismatch problems because of his height, ball-handling ability and shooting. Those problems don't exist now. With Cleveland making the move for Shaq they have someone who can limit Dwight and he was the guy we had no answer for.

As for your previous statements of the Cavs won't spend the money... Are you mad??!! Have you seen the salaries they currently have on the books... $81 million. The luxury tax level is $69.9 million... The Cavs are over the luxury tax by $12 million!! They will spend as much money as they need to keep LeBron. They are one of highest grossing teams in the NBA and that is because of LeBron, without him they would struggle to sell tickets, so whatever money they spend to keep him they will make back from advertisement, sponsors etc. They need him more than NY do and for this reason they will spend more money than NY will. Free agents don't wanna go there this year because it isn't as desirable as NY, Miami, Chicago. Free agents are worried that they'll sign a big contract there and LeBron will up and leave in 2010. When he re-signs, free agents will be queuing up to join the Cavs and establish a dynasty.

Finally, why would he leave a top 3 team in the NBA to go to a rebuilding project in NY??? If he wants to win rings he wouldn't go to a team that won't contend for a couple of years. Besides the Cavs can offer him the biggest contract due to having his bird rights, so if he's money orientated he'll stay as well. He'll get his million dollar contracts anywhere... IT'S LEBRON JAMES.


Good Post. Now solelimited will get it. If not then let him have his dreams.

dollabillz124
10-06-2009, 04:03 PM
we have a team this year that will contend for a championship. lets all just sit back and enjoy the ride

Giaps
10-06-2009, 04:15 PM
NY would have to be a long-term thing, because right now, the Knicks have nothing to work with.
I disagree. The long term picture of NY without Lebron vs CLE without Lebron is much better in NY. Right now CLE can win and NY can't but that is entirely to do with Lebron.

Longterm outlook without Lebron on each team:
CLE: Mo Williams, Varejao, West, Gibson, Hickson*, Powe* Moon, Parker, 2011 capspace
NY: Chandler, Gallinari, Hill, Douglas, Lee*, Robinson*, Harrington*, 2010 capspace, 2011 cap space

*Guys who will be FAs in 2010 but may be retained

ziglur
10-06-2009, 04:33 PM
James wont win with the way his teams play. In the finals last year he tried too do it all and the rest of the team stood and watched him. They didnt play like a team. He looks great but the other players need too play defense and be more involved in the game. If they arent good enough to do it they shouldnt win anyway. James improved his mentaity last year but he tries too do it all. He was soft in the past when the game was on the line, but hes grown, now hes much stronger at the end. Kobe lets odom, fisher,and gasol get involved more in the outcome of the game ,He turns it up a notch when he needs too.

TheKing23
10-06-2009, 04:45 PM
James wont win with the way his teams play. In the finals last year he tried too do it all and the rest of the team stood and watched him. They didnt play like a team. He looks great but the other players need too play defense and be more involved in the game. If they arent good enough to do it they shouldnt win anyway. James improved his mentaity last year but he tries too do it all. He was soft in the past when the game was on the line, but hes grown, now hes much stronger at the end. Kobe lets odom, fisher,and gasol get involved more in the outcome of the game ,He turns it up a notch when he needs too.

Well that's where Shaq will help. LeBron has never had a true 2nd option or inside presence (Mo is great, but he is pretty much a spot up shooter).

It's also the first time LeBron will have a veteran on the team who has done it all... He'll listen to Shaq's advice and won't go down the same route he did against Orlando (a do it all mentality).

zamudio_jorge
10-06-2009, 04:56 PM
Get the **** outta here!!...worst and meaningless thread ever!!!!.....Cav's front office doesn't do anything without the king's opinion. Lebron doesn't need a big market. Endorsements and money will follow him where ever he goes (even if he goes to a village) bcz he is the KING of modern basketball. And finally wtf NY has to offer him a championship???????....NY is a crap as a team. Cav's can win the championship any time bcz they already are a contender and one of the best teams in the league. Where does NY rank??? king is not gonna lose 3/4 more yrs to b part of a rebuilding process.

LOL the king of what??? first he need to win at least a nba finals game and yes like you say he dont need NY to be a superstar thanks to the marketing who made you belive he is the KING. rofl

NYKnicks4511
10-06-2009, 05:04 PM
NY would have to be a long-term thing, because right now, the Knicks have nothing to work with.

Excuse my bias but that is not true at all.

New York still won 33 games last year without a real center, with no premier player or number one option, and the Knicks made deadline moves to free up cap space. We pretty much had a bunch of young guys competing night in and night out.

As opposed to

The Cavaliers who were the laughing stock of the NBA before they scored LBJ. Excluding LeBron, Shaq may very well retire after this season (even more so if he gets hurt) and is playing on his final fumes, Mo Williams who is a solid player but without LeBron no way is he an all star, Anderson Varejao who gets easy feeds from LeBron and is highly overpaid, Zydrunas who can't bang like a real man is an average center, Delonte West who (sadly because I like the kid a lot) has depression etc., and pretty much the Cavs have less young talent (see comparison below).

All Players < 25 yrs. old.
JJ Hickson, Danny Green, Jawad Williams, Darnell Jackson, Boobie Gibson and Leon Powe
vs.
Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Darko Milicic.

Pretty much every young Cavalier listed above has little to no star power, and will pretty much be a career backup/6th man or supporting player (if they're lucky.)
With the Knicks youngin's there is a lot of potential in Wilson Chandler and Gallinari (people will get to know them this season ;)), we all know David Lee led the league in Double-Doubles last year, Nate while erratic at times, is a huge spark off the bench, Jordan Hill has tremendous upside, and Toney Douglas despite being a rookie, plays like a seasoned veteran. Darko is a low risk high reward player, he'll get solid minutes hopefully.

Just my two cents, I think the Knicks have more to offer than most people think (other than MSG, big money, and *cough* the greatest fans in the world :clap:).

zamudio_jorge
10-06-2009, 05:10 PM
Hahahaha, what are you smoking??

1.- "They have zero answer for Rashard Lewis"... THEY HAVE ZERO ANSWER FOR LEBRON JAMES!! 38.5 PPG, 8 RPG, 8 APG! Rashard Lewis can't win a series all by himself... LeBron can, and Orlando can't stop him. At least with Rashard they can put LeBron on him at the four (even though Varejao won't do a bad job)... he would get locked down. One of the main reasons for the Cavs losing was the lack of support, with the off season moves they've made I don't see that being a problem. All of the players added are upgrades and will take the pressure off LeBron.

2.- Hedo was the main reason for the mismatch problems because of his height, ball-handling ability and shooting. Those problems don't exist now. With Cleveland making the move for Shaq they have someone who can limit Dwight and he was the guy we had no answer for.

3.- As for your previous statements of the Cavs won't spend the money... Are you mad??!! Have you seen the salaries they currently have on the books... $81 million. The luxury tax level is $69.9 million... The Cavs are over the luxury tax by $12 million!! They will spend as much money as they need to keep LeBron. They are one of highest grossing teams in the NBA and that is because of LeBron, without him they would struggle to sell tickets, so whatever money they spend to keep him they will make back from advertisement, sponsors etc. They need him more than NY do and for this reason they will spend more money than NY will. Free agents don't wanna go there this year because it isn't as desirable as NY, Miami, Chicago. Free agents are worried that they'll sign a big contract there and LeBron will up and leave in 2010. When he re-signs, free agents will be queuing up to join the Cavs and establish a dynasty.

4.- Finally, why would he leave a top 3 team in the NBA to go to a rebuilding project in NY??? If he wants to win rings he wouldn't go to a team that won't contend for a couple of years. Besides the Cavs can offer him the biggest contract due to having his bird rights, so if he's money orientated he'll stay as well. He'll get his million dollar contracts anywhere... IT'S LEBRON JAMES.

1.- maybe a series but not a championship
2.- carter is better and hedo is not a great shooter, cavs will have the same or more problems against magic.
3 and 4.- agreed

zamudio_jorge
10-06-2009, 05:13 PM
I disagree. The long term picture of NY without Lebron vs CLE without Lebron is much better in NY. Right now CLE can win and NY can't but that is entirely to do with Lebron.
Longterm outlook without Lebron on each team:
CLE: Mo Williams, Varejao, West, Gibson, Hickson*, Powe* Moon, Parker, 2011 capspace
NY: Chandler, Gallinari, Hill, Douglas, Lee*, Robinson*, Harrington*, 2010 capspace, 2011 cap space

*Guys who will be FAs in 2010 but may be retained

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

29$JerZ
10-06-2009, 05:24 PM
:facepalm:

Bringing up the Knicks is a taboo here.

commonsense12
10-06-2009, 05:32 PM
Get the **** outta here!!...worst and meaningless thread ever!!!!.....Cav's front office doesn't do anything without the king's opinion. Lebron doesn't need a big market. Endorsements and money will follow him where ever he goes (even if he goes to a village) bcz he is the KING of modern basketball. And finally wtf NY has to offer him a championship???????....NY is a crap as a team. Cav's can win the championship any time bcz they already are a contender and one of the best teams in the league. Where does NY rank??? king is not gonna lose 3/4 more yrs to b part of a rebuilding process.

Lets be honest you get more endorsements in NY and LA then in cleveland. Going to NY or LA would increase his earning power tremendously.

SteveNash
10-06-2009, 05:53 PM
I know i am going to get hate for this but this is an opinion. Im not dissing lebron's game, but he wont win a title in cleveland.

1. He wants to be the highest paid player in the NBA history. Which means he's going to take up too much salary cap. The Cavs aren't a big market team, their ownership wont go over the cap too much. He's better off going to LA, or New York, where the owners will spend money.

They have one of the highest payrolls in the NBA. LeBron provides plenty of cash for Cleveland to go well over the salary cap.


2. Veterans dont want to go there. This offseason lebron tried to get every big name free agent to come to cleveland, but no one came. For some reason big name free agents dont want to play for the cavs.

What big free agents were they going to be able to get? They had no cap room, and most of their assets that could be used in a sign and trade weren't that great. The only real free agent I remember spurning the Cavs was Michael Redd.


3. Ownership makes some questionable choices. Bring in shaq? Signing anderson varejao to that huge contract.

Signing Shaq was a good move, all they gave up was Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic, two players they didn't really need, two players the Suns didn't even want. Varejao signing may have been a bit high, but the owner was willing to pay so I don't see how it hurts them.

magichatnumber9
10-06-2009, 06:03 PM
L.A fans you guys are just setting yourselves up for the firestorm of the century. All of us PSD basketball fans are gonna have fun with you when the season is over. Trust me, you will wish you were as modest as Celtics fans were the other year.

TheKing23
10-06-2009, 06:09 PM
1.- maybe a series but not a championship
2.- carter is better and hedo is not a great shooter, cavs will have the same or more problems against magic.
3 and 4.- agreed

1. We don't even need him to win a series on his own, I was just stating he could. The upgrades we made in the offseason make us one of the deepest teams in the league.

2. Carter is a more prototypical 2 guard. Last year Delonte (6'3) was guarding Hedo (6'10)... That's a 7 inch difference now. Delonte and Parker will both be able to defend Carter better than if Hedo was still there. Hedo is a better 3 point shooter (38.5% career to Vince's 37.6%, not huge but a slight difference), which is the main weapon of the Magic. After all Parker was bought in to help defend the bigger guards. Shaq will do a better job defending Dwight than Big Z did and LeBron could play some time at the 4 to defend Rashard when he plays the 4.

Overall, I think the Cavs and Magic have both made good upgrades this offseason. But I think the Cavs have done enough to combat the problems we had against them last season.

celticsfan18ty
10-06-2009, 06:40 PM
because as long as boston has the big three orlando has them scrubs and the lakers have kobe lebron aint winning nothing try the D league lebron should go to the D league so he can get a championship thats the only way. he just all show he still has something to prove

nipo10847
10-06-2009, 07:12 PM
Lets be honest you get more endorsements in NY and LA then in cleveland. Going to NY or LA would increase his earning power tremendously.

As I said, his name is Lebron James. Endorsements will follow to the end the world whereever he goes. Let's take an example:

Who is NY's best player now? Let's say : David Lee. Does he earns more than Lebron?????... Obviously NOT. Does he live in NY?? ..YES. There we go buddy--> The difference is a two word name "LEBRON JAMES" aka "The KING." Lebron doesn't need NY for endorsements. PERIOD.

JNA17
10-06-2009, 07:13 PM
:facepalm:

Raph12
10-06-2009, 07:30 PM
Excuse my bias but that is not true at all.

New York still won 33 games last year without a real center, with no premier player or number one option, and the Knicks made deadline moves to free up cap space. We pretty much had a bunch of young guys competing night in and night out.

As opposed to

The Cavaliers who were the laughing stock of the NBA before they scored LBJ. Excluding LeBron, Shaq may very well retire after this season (even more so if he gets hurt) and is playing on his final fumes, Mo Williams who is a solid player but without LeBron no way is he an all star, Anderson Varejao who gets easy feeds from LeBron and is highly overpaid, Zydrunas who can't bang like a real man is an average center, Delonte West who (sadly because I like the kid a lot) has depression etc., and pretty much the Cavs have less young talent (see comparison below).

All Players < 25 yrs. old.
JJ Hickson, Danny Green, Jawad Williams, Darnell Jackson, Boobie Gibson and Leon Powe
vs.
Danilo Gallinari, Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, David Lee, Nate Robinson, Darko Milicic.

Pretty much every young Cavalier listed above has little to no star power, and will pretty much be a career backup/6th man or supporting player (if they're lucky.)
With the Knicks youngin's there is a lot of potential in Wilson Chandler and Gallinari (people will get to know them this season ;)), we all know David Lee led the league in Double-Doubles last year, Nate while erratic at times, is a huge spark off the bench, Jordan Hill has tremendous upside, and Toney Douglas despite being a rookie, plays like a seasoned veteran. Darko is a low risk high reward player, he'll get solid minutes hopefully.

Just my two cents, I think the Knicks have more to offer than most people think (other than MSG, big money, and *cough* the greatest fans in the world :clap:).

Lol, sorry if you took offence to my post, let me elaborate further. Cleveland is a win now team, Cleveland without Lebron would beat New York. If Lebron joins NY, they will not be instant contenders, he will have to wait a couple of seasons before being in the "Top 5 teams" talk again.

JNA17
10-06-2009, 07:39 PM
Lol, sorry if you took offence to my post, let me elaborate further. Cleveland is a win now team, Cleveland without Lebron would beat New York. If Lebron joins NY, they will not be instant contenders, he will have to wait a couple of seasons before being in the "Top 5 teams" talk again.

This. Even without lebron on the cavs, cavs still beat the knicks.

If knicks fans are really gonna relay on players like danilo gallinari, david "worse then amare on defense" lee, a midget SG (nate robinson), and Hill who will hardly get any playing time for the next 2 seasons most likely, as a bait to get lebron? Or even to be a top team anywhere near the future, then they are in for quite a disappointment.

Chronz
10-06-2009, 07:39 PM
you underestimate just how much revenue bron brings to his city, they will keep him happy at ALL costs

ChitownbullsBG7
10-06-2009, 10:17 PM
I know i am going to get hate for this but this is an opinion. Im not dissing lebron's game, but he wont win a title in cleveland.

1. He wants to be the highest paid player in the NBA history. Which means he's going to take up too much salary cap. The Cavs aren't a big market team, their ownership wont go over the cap too much. He's better off going to LA, or New York, where the owners will spend money.

2. Veterans dont want to go there. This offseason lebron tried to get every big name free agent to come to cleveland, but no one came. For some reason big name free agents dont want to play for the cavs.

3. Ownership makes some questionable choices. Bring in shaq? Signing anderson varejao to that huge contract.

There are probably others but i cant think of them right now. The truth is unless he can win 1 vs 5 in every playoff series they wont win.

AGAIN IM SAYING LEBRON IS BALLER, BUT THE OWNERSHIP IS NO GOOD.

IF im wrong please explain why.



Because your NUMBER 1 reason has nothing to do with winning a championship.

Is that a good enough reason of saying that you are wrong?

ko8e24
10-06-2009, 10:34 PM
Because your NUMBER 1 reason has nothing to do with winning a championship.

Is that a good enough reason of saying that you are wrong?

he saying that lebron will want so much money, cavs will be over the tax threshold and will be unable to sign other marquee name(s) that could be 2nd or 3rd options to lebron, which could increase his chances of winning a title if he found consistent 2nd and 3rd option to go with him to battle against the other 29 teams in the association.

Toenail Clipper
10-06-2009, 10:38 PM
Why not go to the Clippers?
25 million a season, playoff team, Los Angeles.
If he does go I hope that the team ruins him.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

_KB24_
10-06-2009, 10:40 PM
1.) He can stay with Cleveland and still get one of the best deals FAIL

2.) I guess Moon, Parker, and that big guy......whats his name......dont fit FAIL

3.) See above for further explanation FAIL

So basically 1-3 are false unless you have a bias against them. The reason I see Cleveland not winning it all because is of the Lakers and Celtics. I don't think that Cleveland would be able to take on either team to prevail in a 7 Game Series. What Lebron will do in 2010 only time will tell...

PS I can guarnSHEED that he will not be coming to LA anytime soon.

Statik1
10-06-2009, 10:49 PM
1.) Because of those cocky kids in LA
2.) Because of Dwight Howard
3.) Because of the wheelchaired dude in Boston.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

TheKing23
10-06-2009, 10:51 PM
1.) He can stay with Cleveland and still get one of the best deals FAIL

2.) I guess Moon, Parker, and that big guy......whats his name......dont fit FAIL

3.) See above for further explanation FAIL

So basically 1-3 are false unless you have a bias against them. The reason I see Cleveland not winning it all because is of the Lakers and Celtics. I don't think that Cleveland would be able to take on either team to prevail in a 7 Game Series. What Lebron will do in 2010 only time will tell...

PS I can guarnSHEED that he will not be coming to LA anytime soon.

I personally don't see the Celtics as main competition... Of course the Lakers are the team to beat and offer the Cavs the biggest challenge but Boston seem like they're on their last legs, particularly KG and Ray Allen.

If I was a Celtics fan, those workout videos of KG limping would be seriously worrying me. The Magic are a more dangerous prospect in my opinion.

heyhey06
10-06-2009, 10:58 PM
no im saying no matter how hard he tries to win in a championship in cleveland it wont happen. If he wants a title in his career, He'll leave cleveland and sign with the new york.

That will make him more money but will not get him a title. NEW YORK-right.

NYKnicks4511
10-08-2009, 09:43 PM
Lol, sorry if you took offence to my post, let me elaborate further. Cleveland is a win now team, Cleveland without Lebron would beat New York. If Lebron joins NY, they will not be instant contenders, he will have to wait a couple of seasons before being in the "Top 5 teams" talk again.

No offense taken, just puzzled and kind of amused :P

You're right, Cleveland is a 'win now team'. But it's no sure bet that they'd beat the Knicks without LeBron, without King James their offensive continuity will drop severely. While Clev. may have old man Shaq and Mo Williams, it is safe to say that the games will be competitive and the Cavs by no means would be guaranteed to win.

I'm not going to put any more on paper, just telling everyone to watch out for Chandler and Gallo, they're busting out this season. :)
My bold prediction is that Toney Douglas becomes the starter/gets major starting minutes before the season ends. FInally we'll have some Defense.

d-baller23
10-08-2009, 10:44 PM
There is only one reason..... Orlando Magic

PrettyBoyJ
10-08-2009, 10:56 PM
Right now Cavs dont have what it takes to beat the Celtics or Magics... Both are deep with talent.. LeBron + Cavs = No RIngs

Drunk Kosar 19
10-08-2009, 11:20 PM
Lebron will go to sh*tty NY and pair again with the magical larry "homeless bum" Hughes, and take less money...keep dreaming big apple, not happening.

HuRRiCaNeS324
10-08-2009, 11:30 PM
Wrong! Lebron is just too nasty for him not to win a championship. All he needs is one person to be his sidekick and that's it. Mo Williams is an awesome player and is one of my favorite PG, but i don't really see him being that guy.

You're prolly praying he leaves Cleveland so your preferred team can sign him next year which ain't happening cuz he's staying.

bigsams50
10-09-2009, 07:07 AM
Wrong! Lebron is just too nasty for him not to win a championship. All he needs is one person to be his sidekick and that's it. Mo Williams is an awesome player and is one of my favorite PG, but i don't really see him being that guy.

You're prolly praying he leaves Cleveland so your preferred team can sign him next year which ain't happening cuz he's staying.

This^

wallerstud06
10-09-2009, 10:02 AM
Umm Lebron wont win a championship as long as Kobe is still around...plus orlando is alot deeper this year. Also after Kobe retire we will see the Trailblazer emerge as a major contender for years to come...They are a Kevin Durant player away from becoming a dynasty. No team lebron is on can beat them in a seven game series.

Drunk Kosar 19
10-09-2009, 01:20 PM
Orlando is NOT deeper this year

BkOriginalOne
10-09-2009, 02:03 PM
Going to NY or BK won'y bring Lebron a title. He has to play with young talent that is also in the top 10, something he hasn't even been close to since playing with Boozer as a rook.

Cavs are just assuming that no matter group of guys they get, LBJ can always carry them over the hump. That's bad management. Even MJ had assurances like Pippen and Rodman - guys who were all stars and matchup problems. But guys who also excell at the defensive end of the floor.
Who is the best defensive player that Lebron has played with? Varejao - the non scoring threat, that's not going to get the job done.

macc
10-09-2009, 02:20 PM
Hahahaha, what are you smoking??

"They have zero answer for Rashard Lewis"... THEY HAVE ZERO ANSWER FOR LEBRON JAMES!! 38.5 PPG, 8 RPG, 8 APG! Rashard Lewis can't win a series all by himself... LeBron can, and Orlando can't stop him. At least with Rashard they can put LeBron on him at the four (even though Varejao won't do a bad job)... he would get locked down. One of the main reasons for the Cavs losing was the lack of support, with the off season moves they've made I don't see that being a problem. All of the players added are upgrades and will take the pressure off LeBron.

Hedo was the main reason for the mismatch problems because of his height, ball-handling ability and shooting. Those problems don't exist now. With Cleveland making the move for Shaq they have someone who can limit Dwight and he was the guy we had no answer for.

As for your previous statements of the Cavs won't spend the money... Are you mad??!! Have you seen the salaries they currently have on the books... $81 million. The luxury tax level is $69.9 million... The Cavs are over the luxury tax by $12 million!! They will spend as much money as they need to keep LeBron. They are one of highest grossing teams in the NBA and that is because of LeBron, without him they would struggle to sell tickets, so whatever money they spend to keep him they will make back from advertisement, sponsors etc. They need him more than NY do and for this reason they will spend more money than NY will. Free agents don't wanna go there this year because it isn't as desirable as NY, Miami, Chicago. Free agents are worried that they'll sign a big contract there and LeBron will up and leave in 2010. When he re-signs, free agents will be queuing up to join the Cavs and establish a dynasty.

Finally, why would he leave a top 3 team in the NBA to go to a rebuilding project in NY??? If he wants to win rings he wouldn't go to a team that won't contend for a couple of years. Besides the Cavs can offer him the biggest contract due to having his bird rights, so if he's money orientated he'll stay as well. He'll get his million dollar contracts anywhere... IT'S LEBRON JAMES.


Really man? I mean really? The Cavs had the best record in the NBA last year but you're saying Lebron didn't have any support. "think" about that for a min................................nope keep thinking.............................
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ok now go outside and practice falling down. .................................................. .................................................. ..........ok glad you're back. Now hopefully you realize how ignorant a statement that was. In any case does it not bug you that the Cavs couldn't beat contenders? I mean they had a record of somthing like 2-7 against the top 3 teams in the NBA. Then they face the Magic in the finals and almost get swept. Showing how weak they were against the first top team they faced in the playoffs.

The Magic didn't have to stop Lebron last year, they stopped everyone else which worked out successfully, plus they did it without their all star point guard.

The Cavs lost to a Magic team with a backcourt of Alston/Lee (rookie) and destroyed you guys, now you're talking about a backcourt of Nelson(all star)/Carter (8 time allstar) and you're telling me you have a better chance this year? It's called the "pick and roll" Cleveland still can't stop it.

Plus don't get me started on the 2nd unit because thats not even debatable. Both Orlando and Boston are much deeper than Cleveland.


Bottom line is Cleveland couldn't beat great teams last year and I don't think they improved enough to beat great teams this year. There is simply noone on that roster outside of LBJ that scares me. On Boston you got Pierce, Garnett, Allen, and Sheed who are all capable of lighting it up and droppin 30 + on you. On Orlando you have Nelson, Carter, Lewis & Howard who are capable as well. To me they are just to deep for Cleveland.

macc
10-09-2009, 02:33 PM
Orlando is NOT deeper this year




Same goes to you. Go out side and practice falling down. Not sayin, i'm just sayin...

JabberJaw
10-09-2009, 02:39 PM
Everyone on here is thinking that when people say he has a chance in NY that people are talking about Lebron playing with the current crap players. If you think Lebron is attracting people to Cleveland now, imagine what he would do in the number 1 media market in the nation. The Knicks would also be more inclined to take on some big name players and exceed the cap, to make a run at a title, because they can make that money up in the backend. New Yorkers are dying to be relevant again. If the Knicks got Lebron, the stars would follow. They can afford it. The Lakers are set, and the Clippers front office is run by 3rd graders. So that takes away that option. Boston couldn't afford him. New York would be a logical choice. It would take a year or so, but that is one place that could afford to put the necessary pieces around "the King", to make a strong run at a championship.
While the Cavs are "contenders", they do face matchup problems with the leagues elite. They won't match up well with Boston, Orlando, Lakers or Spurs. Just an observation. But you never know. Hopefully he will have a focused, injury-free Shaq and all their pieces fall in place. That is what will need to happen to have a chance against the NBA's elite.