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KobeBeatJeeesus
10-02-2009, 10:42 PM
Like the title says, why is there a movie about Lebron and not Jordan (space jam doesnt count), or Kobe, or Magic, or Shaq, or Tim Duncan, or some of the other perennial all time greats. Am I the only one who thinks that the hype behind this guy is sort of disgusting? Discuss.

Toenail Clipper
10-02-2009, 10:49 PM
I don't mind. No one's really gonna watch this movie and so its not like its gonna become a #1 movie this week. However, if it does, then I'll get mad

1-800-STFU
10-02-2009, 10:49 PM
Why is Transformers 3 coming out???!?!

One of the great mysteries of the universe.

NetsPaint
10-02-2009, 10:54 PM
When is the 1946 Finals coming to DVD?

NBAfan4life
10-02-2009, 11:01 PM
The movie is being made to try and make his boys some money. The movie is about them as much as Lebron i think it is just a way to get them off LB's teat

Don Starks
10-02-2009, 11:01 PM
cause lebron makes himself available to do stuff like that, and kobe did that terrible spike lee movie that was on espn last year. i read that book "shooting stars" and it sucked. the writing honestly was bad, it sounded like Lebron just sat down and told a story, which sounds terrible when you are reading it. i thought buzz bissinger would fix it up and make it presentable but it was poorly done. he just talks about his friends and about what great players they were, but the question i kept asking myself while reading it was " why should i care about any of these people?" other then the fact that they were pals with lebron theres no reason to care about the story, i mean there have been a ton of basketball state champion teams and no one has written books about them. if these guys were that good wouldnt they all be playing in the NBA? also he trys to make his friend little dru sound really passionate but he ends up sounding more like a punk who was impossible to coach.

MackSnackWrap
10-02-2009, 11:03 PM
Why cant there be a lebron movie??

jim51990
10-02-2009, 11:05 PM
whats the kobe movie gunna be about Colorado ????

SirCalvin81
10-02-2009, 11:13 PM
whats the kobe movie gunna be about Colorado ????

awesome

ATL2010
10-02-2009, 11:16 PM
When are we going to get good porn? That is the real question my friend

SirCalvin81
10-02-2009, 11:16 PM
man tough times growing up in akon ohio and being scouted in the 6th grade

DCB/LAL
10-02-2009, 11:17 PM
whats the kobe movie gunna be about Colorado ????

Whats Lebrons gonna be about??? A king without the GOLD??? A King Without a RING???

Don Starks
10-02-2009, 11:20 PM
Whats Lebrons gonna be about??? A king without the GOLD??? A King Without a RING???

lame, jims was better.

ko8e24
10-02-2009, 11:24 PM
uhh, we're all pretty sure we know that this is gonna become another kobe vs lebron thread. Mods please close this.

KobeBeatJeeesus
10-03-2009, 12:01 AM
uhh, we're all pretty sure we know that this is gonna become another kobe vs lebron thread. Mods please close this.


How do you figure? I asked why other players who are truly the greatest players of all time dont have movies made about them, but a guy with no rings and not very much accomplished gets a movie. How is that in any way Kobe vs Lebron? Im asking you to make it everyone vs Lebron and tell me why specifically him.

b_rad23
10-03-2009, 12:13 AM
What do you call that Spike Lee movie last year? That wasn't about Kobe????

KobeBeatJeeesus
10-03-2009, 12:27 AM
That wasn't really a movie though. That was just analysis on a game.

Mrphilly
10-03-2009, 12:56 AM
Like the title says, why is there a movie about Lebron and not Jordan (space jam doesnt count), or Kobe, or Magic, or Shaq, or Tim Duncan, or some of the other perennial all time greats. Am I the only one who thinks that the hype behind this guy is sort of disgusting? Discuss.
Why are you a hater???? Are you trying to tell me that you have to have a ring or be the greatest of all time to have a movie? Maybe its an entertaining story, and you don't have to be the greatest to have an entertaining story. It has to be better than anything Shaq, Magic, or Kobe has done in film or television.

BkOriginalOne
10-03-2009, 01:53 AM
Lebron is the most hyped pro athelete who hasn't won a title.

KobeBeatJeeesus
10-03-2009, 02:15 AM
I just want to know why they would make a movie about lebron before they make one for Jordan or somebody more historical. Why would you make a movie about a sad career?

abe_froman
10-03-2009, 02:30 AM
I just want to know why they would make a movie about lebron before they make one for Jordan or somebody more historical. Why would you make a movie about a sad career?

because that what the producers wanted.and when does being perennial allstar and an mvp encompass a sad carrer

IRUAM #21
10-03-2009, 02:35 AM
JeeesusBeatKobe.

ChiSox219
10-03-2009, 02:49 AM
I just want to know why they would make a movie about lebron before they make one for Jordan or somebody more historical. Why would you make a movie about a sad career?

Because there are already dozens of movies about MJ

ZebraCity916
10-03-2009, 03:24 AM
MJ has had movies which I believe one of them was shown in IMAX theaters and Kobe had a day in the life movie last year I believe. His career is sad?? Really?? That gets a big :facepalm: He's only 24 and he's a MVP. He's one of the youngest ever to win that. Stop hating.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:26 AM
**** Lebron. He isn't **** without a championship.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:27 AM
MJ has had movies which I believe one of them was shown in IMAX theaters and Kobe had a day in the life movie last year I believe. His career is sad?? Really?? That gets a big :facepalm: He's only 24 and he's a MVP. He's one of the youngest ever to win that. Stop hating.0 championships buddy. A big fat ZERO.

Yup, he sure deserves to star in a movie

ZebraCity916
10-03-2009, 03:29 AM
**** Lebron. He isn't **** without a championship.

Does that go for Dirk too since he hasn't won a championship??

stawka
10-03-2009, 03:29 AM
0 championships buddy. A big fat ZERO.

Yup, he sure deserves to star in a movie

Yeah you're right. He has about the same Championships as all those guys in your sig combined :clap:

ZebraCity916
10-03-2009, 03:30 AM
0 championships buddy. A big fat ZERO.

Yup, he sure deserves to star in a movie

It's about 4 other people too, buddy.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:30 AM
Does that go for Dirk too since he hasn't won a championship??

Yup because Dirk stars in movies. :facepalm:

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:32 AM
Yeah you're right. He has about the same Championships as all those guys in your sig combined :clap:

Yeah and every guy in my sig has starred in a movie :clap:

ZebraCity916
10-03-2009, 03:32 AM
Yup because Dirk stars in movies. :facepalm:

Wow, really?? :facepalm:

You say LeBron isn't **** cause he hasn't won a ring. So does the same go for Dirk??

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:34 AM
Wow, really?? :facepalm:

You say LeBron isn't **** cause he hasn't won a ring. So does the same go for Dirk??

Yup. No player is **** without winning a championship :facepalm:

Don't think I'm a ****ing homer just because I root for the Mavericks.

ZebraCity916
10-03-2009, 03:37 AM
Yup. No player is **** without winning a championship :facepalm:

Don't think I'm a ****ing homer just because I root for the Mavericks.

I didn't say you're a homer nor did I imply that at all.:facepalm:

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:38 AM
I didn't say you're a homer nor did I imply that at all.:facepalm:

Then why would you bring up Dirk? :facepalm:

ZebraCity916
10-03-2009, 03:53 AM
Then why would you bring up Dirk? :facepalm:

Because he is a great player that has accomplished just as much if not more (probably more) than LeBron. I saw him on you're sig and he was the player I chose. Let's pick a different player. John Stockton. He's never won a ring but is in the Hall Of Fame and is one of, if not the, best PG of all time. Is he **** cause he's never won a ring??

stawka
10-03-2009, 04:55 AM
Dude... Just STFU!

You're saying LeBron is nothing because he has no rings.Like I said earlier, that means all 5 of those guys would = nothing because they all combine for no rings. While we're at it, Malone/Stockton/Ewing and all the other greats are NOTHING because they don't have rings.

ZebraCity916
10-03-2009, 05:04 AM
Dude... Just STFU!

You're saying LeBron is nothing because he has no rings.Like I said earlier, that means all 5 of those guys would = nothing because they all combine for no rings. While we're at it, Malone/Stockton/Ewing and all the other greats are NOTHING because they don't have rings.

Thank you. :clap:

theuuord
10-03-2009, 11:56 AM
the LeBron hate here is just bubbling at all times.

Jordan didn't win one til he was 27. LeBron is 24. in his first game this season will be the youngest player to 13,000 points by far, has already won an MVP, has taken a team full of nobodies to the NBA Finals, and dominated both the game of basketball and the public eye since he was drafted.



i can't wait until it's like 2020, LeBron likely has six championships and has broken the scoring record, and we'll all look back on these threads and laugh and laugh and laugh.

ManRam
10-03-2009, 12:07 PM
the LeBron hate here is just bubbling at all times.

Jordan didn't win one til he was 27. LeBron is 24. in his first game this season will be the youngest player to 13,000 points by far, has already won an MVP, has taken a team full of nobodies to the NBA Finals, and dominated both the game of basketball and the public eye since he was drafted.



i can't wait until it's like 2020, LeBron likely has six championships and has broken the scoring record, and we'll all look back on these threads and laugh and laugh and laugh.

Seriously. This site alone has turned me into a LeBron fan. The amount of crap he gets, for nothing at all, is ridiculous. He can do no good...even though he was the perfect role model and person the first 5+ years in the league...and than two stupid, media-hyped, non-stories are enough for people to make it seem like he's Satan.

I hope he does win at least 6 (as long as he isn't stopping my Magic from winning them)...and shatters Jordan's record, a guy who was a far worse human being than LeBron could even imagine being.

theuuord
10-03-2009, 12:14 PM
Seriously. This site alone has turned me into a LeBron fan. The amount of crap he gets, for nothing at all, is ridiculous. He can do no good...even though he was the perfect role model and person the first 5+ years in the league...and than two stupid, media-hyped, non-stories are enough for people to make it seem like he's Satan.

I hope he does win at least 6 (as long as he isn't stopping my Magic from winning them)...and shatters Jordan's record, a guy who was a far worse human being than LeBron could even imagine being.

I'm rooting for the Magic to win this year. just to get the monkey off Dwight and Vince's back. after that, LeBron, wreak havoc on this league, please.

JWO35
10-03-2009, 12:19 PM
Where's Darko's Movie?

Darko Milicic: The Man, The Myth, The Bust!

bigsams50
10-03-2009, 12:57 PM
Seriously. This site alone has turned me into a LeBron fan. The amount of crap he gets, for nothing at all, is ridiculous. He can do no good...even though he was the perfect role model and person the first 5+ years in the league...and than two stupid, media-hyped, non-stories are enough for people to make it seem like he's Satan.

I hope he does win at least 6 (as long as he isn't stopping my Magic from winning them)...and shatters Jordan's record, a guy who was a far worse human being than LeBron could even imagine being.

I agree with how much lebron hate is going on around here, he doesnt speak to the media and all of a sudden he's ignorant and cocky. The dude has had literally nobody on his team, and he's getting bashed for not winning, even though he took his team by himself to the finals a few years back. Since my cats have no chance, im rooting for lebron to bring home the hardware this year, even though i hate shaq

SeoulBeatz
10-03-2009, 01:13 PM
please stop *****ing.

this is a Reality TV era.

back in Jordan's time people wold have NEVER gone to the theatres to see a sports documentary.

but now with the rise of reality tv and documentary-type shows in the past decade people are more inclined to see what really goes on behind the scenes.

its nothing to do with the player, just a changing of the times.

quit the *****ing and lebron hating.

WITZ
10-03-2009, 01:19 PM
Haha how am I not suprised this was started by a laker fan :facepalm: .

BkOriginalOne
10-03-2009, 01:31 PM
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ManRam
10-03-2009, 01:44 PM
The documentary/movie is supposed to be very good actually. It was very warmly received at the Toronto Film Festival. The only negative reviews I can find are ones saying that they wanted more, or that it didn't really focus on LeBron enough, which means that there is a great story to tell.

I'm kind of excited now. Didn't think much of it until I looked it up...

Raps08-09 Champ
10-03-2009, 02:22 PM
Cuz someone wanted to make a documentary about Lebron.

If you really mind that Lebron has a documentary and guys like Jordan, Magic, Shaq or Kobe don't, then make one yourself.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 02:50 PM
Because he is a great player that has accomplished just as much if not more (probably more) than LeBron. I saw him on you're sig and he was the player I chose. Let's pick a different player. John Stockton. He's never won a ring but is in the Hall Of Fame and is one of, if not the, best PG of all time. Is he **** cause he's never won a ring??

You could name every hall of famer that hasn't won a championship and I could tell you right now the player you name has never gotten as much hype and attention in their career than Lebron James. I believe that a players accomplishments are what summarize their careers.

In this case were talking about a player that gets all the hype. He has been given the title of best player in the league numerous times and he hasn't won anything, therefore he isn't ****. Can you name me any player that has been named the best player in the league numerous times without anything?

abe_froman
10-03-2009, 02:52 PM
You could name every hall of famer that hasn't won a championship and I could tell you right now the player you name has never gotten as much hype and attention in their career than Lebron James. I believe that a players accomplishments are what summarize their careers.

In this case were talking about a player that gets all the hype. He has been given the title of best player in the league numerous times and he hasn't won anything, therefore he isn't ****. Can you name me any player that has been named the best player in the league numerous times without anything?

bob mcadoo and mj

theuuord
10-03-2009, 02:52 PM
You could name every hall of famer that hasn't won a championship and I could tell you right now the player you name has never gotten as much hype and attention in their career than Lebron James. I believe that a players accomplishments are what summarize their careers.

In this case were talking about a player that gets all the hype. He has been given the title of best player in the league numerous times and he hasn't won anything, therefore he isn't ****. Can you name me any player that has been named the best player in the league numerous times without anything?

why do you feel the need to justify individual accolades with team accomplishments?

say Kobe Bryant played with pre-schoolers. he was as good as he always was, but they wouldn't win a game, because all they had was Kobe. would that make him any less great as an individual player?

what54!?
10-03-2009, 03:07 PM
if he wants to make a movie about himself let him its a good bussines move. Now how many people see it idk.....

JabberJaw
10-03-2009, 03:07 PM
Who cares if they're making a movie about him? If you don't like it, don't see it. If it fails then i'm sure they will think twice about making another Lebron movie. If you want to watch it for free, just tune into sportscenter every night during the season. You get everything from Lebron tying his shoes to making a game winning shot. It's amazing!
haha, in all seriousness though. Who cares? Don't like it, don't watch it. It's simple.

ElMarroAfamado
10-03-2009, 03:12 PM
Because he is a great player that has accomplished just as much if not more (probably more) than LeBron. I saw him on you're sig and he was the player I chose. Let's pick a different player. John Stockton. He's never won a ring but is in the Hall Of Fame and is one of, if not the, best PG of all time. Is he **** cause he's never won a ring??

its obviously not the same...
john Stockton never carried himself like he thought he was gods gift to the world....he was a humble...quiet..player that just got the job done without saying a peep...for how many years?

please dont compare stock to lebron james
:facepalm:

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:17 PM
bob mcadoo and mj

They've both won championships bud. :facepalm:

theuuord
10-03-2009, 03:18 PM
They've both won championships bud. :facepalm:

MJ was called the best player in the league countless times before 1991.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:18 PM
why do you feel the need to justify individual accolades with team accomplishments?

say Kobe Bryant played with pre-schoolers. he was as good as he always was, but they wouldn't win a game, because all they had was Kobe. would that make him any less great as an individual player?

If he was that great he would make those pre schoolers around him good. Isn't that a big part of what an MVP is...making your teammates better?

theuuord
10-03-2009, 03:22 PM
If he was that great he would make those pre schoolers around him good. Isn't that a big part of what an MVP is...making your teammates better?

that wasn't my question.



as for your question:
and taking a team of nobodies to the Finals two years ago and to 66 wins this year isn't making your teammates better?

Mo Williams had the best season of his career this year. Delonte West's production shot up after his trade from Seattle. The Cavs have had a bunch of nobodies and LeBron James pretty much his entire tenure in Cleveland. How can you say he doesn't make his teammates better?

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:23 PM
MJ was called the best player in the league countless times before 1991.

Okay first off, don't ever, ever compare MJ to Lebron. Ever.

MJ was on a completely different level than Lebron in so many aspects. It's unfair to compare the 2 even before MJ won a championship.

I should have said other than MJ.

abe_froman
10-03-2009, 03:24 PM
They've both won championships bud. :facepalm:

they were both proclaimed best in the league before they did,just like lebron;who only has another 10/15 years to win one..omg how will he ever do that

theuuord
10-03-2009, 03:28 PM
Okay first off, don't ever, ever compare MJ to Lebron. Ever.

MJ was on a completely different level than Lebron in so many aspects. It's unfair to compare the 2 even before MJ won a championship.

I should have said other than MJ.

stop changing the subject and then adding your own exceptions. no one is saying anything about comparing LeBron to MJ.

fredo832
10-03-2009, 03:30 PM
The thing about this thread is that it all leads to people hating on Lebron. Now I dont like Kobe or Lebron or Dirk. But this was made by a Kobe lover and we all know Kobe lovers hate Lebron lovers which then got interuppted by a Dirk lover and we all know that Mavericks hate on just about everyone in the league, now before you go and get on me Mavrix I do believe yall have a better team this year and yall will contend against the Lakers. But anyways back to the point this is all jealousy coming out of a Lakers fan and can you only imagine what Lebron lovers are going to say if Kobe comes out with a documentary as well? They are going to say he is trying to take any sort of fame Lebron gets so Kobe can have all the fame. I believe Lebron made this movie for people here to rememeber him years to come as a team player that might or maybe might not win any championships. You dont need to win a championship to become a great or a hall of famer guys. Yao Ming will most likely go into the Hall of fame without winning a championship,if Im not mistaken Chris Paul will most likely go into the hall of fame without a championship. Now it doesnt take a championship to become a legend or a hall of famer.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:38 PM
that wasn't my question.



as for your question:
and taking a team of nobodies to the Finals two years ago and to 66 wins this year isn't making your teammates better?

Mo Williams had the best season of his career this year. Delonte West's production shot up after his trade from Seattle. The Cavs have had a bunch of nobodies and LeBron James pretty much his entire tenure in Cleveland. How can you say he doesn't make his teammates better?Nobodies? A big 3 consisting of James, Big Z, and Larry Hughes (when he was a scoring threat), with role players like Drew Gooden and Pavlovic...I don't see those players as nobodies. That team had a deeper bench then last years Lakers.

Last year Mo Williams was an all star and was a great 2nd option. West had better numbers in Boston with less minutes than last year. Still had Big Z, and good role players like Varejao, Wallace, Gibson, Smith and Szczerbiak.

If James doesn't win it all this year with Shaq who is still capable of averaging 17 and 8, Mo Williams, West, Parker, Moon, Big Z, Varejao, and Powe then I'd doubt he'd ever get a ring. That is a deep *** team.

All I'm saying is the guy doesn't deserve all the hype he gets until he gets his first ring and that goes for every player considered the best and given so much hype over nothing.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:39 PM
stop changing the subject and then adding your own exceptions. no one is saying anything about comparing LeBron to MJ.


MJ was called the best player in the league countless times before 1991.

You're obviously comparing him to Lebron.

Mavrix
10-03-2009, 03:45 PM
The thing about this thread is that it all leads to people hating on Lebron. Now I dont like Kobe or Lebron or Dirk. But this was made by a Kobe lover and we all know Kobe lovers hate Lebron lovers which then got interuppted by a Dirk lover and we all know that Mavericks hate on just about everyone in the league, now before you go and get on me Mavrix I do believe yall have a better team this year and yall will contend against the Lakers. But anyways back to the point this is all jealousy coming out of a Lakers fan and can you only imagine what Lebron lovers are going to say if Kobe comes out with a documentary as well? They are going to say he is trying to take any sort of fame Lebron gets so Kobe can have all the fame. I believe Lebron made this movie for people here to rememeber him years to come as a team player that might or maybe might not win any championships. You dont need to win a championship to become a great or a hall of famer guys. Yao Ming will most likely go into the Hall of fame without winning a championship,if Im not mistaken Chris Paul will most likely go into the hall of fame without a championship. Now it doesnt take a championship to become a legend or a hall of famer.
I agree with what you're saying but being a hall of famer is one thing and being considered the best player and be given so much hype and being featured in movies and what not isn't necessary. I'm not a Dirk "lover", although I support my team. All I'm saying is Lebron doesn't deserve all of this hype without accomplishing anything. My argument is that you don't deserve to be discussed as the best player and be given extra attention, movies, etc without backing it all up with an accomplishment. Granted taking your team to the finals is great, but he won't be remembered for that. Every great player is remembered by their accomplishments.

fredo832
10-03-2009, 03:50 PM
I agree with what you're saying but being a hall of famer is one thing and being considered the best player and be given so much hype and being featured in movies and what not isn't necessary. I'm not a Dirk "lover", although I support my team. All I'm saying is Lebron doesn't deserve all of this hype without accomplishing anything. My argument is that you don't deserve to be discussed as the best player and be given extra attention, movies, etc without backing it all up with an accomplishment. Granted taking your team to the finals is great, but he won't be remembered for that. Every great player is remembered by their accomplishments.

Ok you make a good point. But Im not trying to defend Lebron or anything but he has made many accomplishments since entering the NBA I cant list them all or know exactly what they are but he has made accomplishments for being the youngest player to reach a certain amount of points or stuff like that. Like I said Im not very sure on what, and all I have to say is that I hope the Mavericks can stay healthy to crush the Lakers cause I will admit I hate the Lakers and I hate the Mavericks but from what I see the Mavericks might be the only team this year to keep up with the Lakers. I would like Mark Cuban to come and buy the Houston Astros so maybe he can make our team a winning team.

ChiSox219
10-03-2009, 03:52 PM
Nobodies? A big 3 consisting of James, Big Z, and Larry Hughes (when he was a scoring threat), with role players like Drew Gooden and Pavlovic...I don't see those players as nobodies. That team had a deeper bench then last years Lakers.

Last year Mo Williams was an all star and was a great 2nd option. West had better numbers in Boston with less minutes than last year. Still had Big Z, and good role players like Varejao, Wallace, Gibson, Smith and Szczerbiak.

If James doesn't win it all this year with Shaq who is still capable of averaging 17 and 8, Mo Williams, West, Parker, Moon, Big Z, Varejao, and Powe then I'd doubt he'd ever get a ring. That is a deep *** team.

All I'm saying is the guy doesn't deserve all the hype he gets until he gets his first ring and that goes for every player considered the best and given so much hype over nothing.

Oh boy :facepalm:

I don't get why people hate Lebron, he plays in the Bulls division and torches us and I don't hate him, so why do you hate him so much?

Lakers fans I understand, they are jealous.

abe_froman
10-03-2009, 03:54 PM
Oh boy :facepalm:

I don't get why people hate Lebron, he plays in our division and torches us and I don't hate him, so why do you hate him so much?

Lakers fans I understand, they are jealous.

those on top are always going to have detractors just for that reason

PennyMy#1
10-03-2009, 03:55 PM
Why is there a gonna be a lebron movie ?


Uhm, cause there are people who will pay for it, to see it.

ThuglifeJ
10-03-2009, 03:56 PM
theyre just promoting LeBron once again. Which is lame because his story isnt even that great. I mean his story is "a really talented player who has been dominating since young." You could really make a movie about almost anyone in this league and make them out to have some story, mabye not as good, but mabye better.

How hard could LeBron's life have been. He's been scouted since he was young and was never poor or whatever... I remember hearing "I had to move schools it was tough"

w.e in all honesty WHO CARES jus dont watch the movie

ThuglifeJ
10-03-2009, 03:58 PM
Oh boy :facepalm:

I don't get why people hate Lebron, he plays in the Bulls division and torches us and I don't hate him, so why do you hate him so much?

Lakers fans I understand, they are jealous.



because lebron is a prick. Dont try to hide that. It bothers some ppl

theuuord
10-03-2009, 04:02 PM
Mavrix, you're still not answering my question.

say Kobe Bryant played with pre-schoolers. he was as good as he always was, but they wouldn't win a game, because all they had was Kobe. would that make him any less great as an individual player?


You're obviously comparing him to Lebron.

no, i'm talking about two players who were considered the best in the league at one point or another. Hakeem Olajuwon was the best player in the NBA during the years Jordan left. Doesn't mean I think the two are comparable. please refrain from putting words in my mouth.




Nobodies? A big 3 consisting of James, Big Z, and Larry Hughes (when he was a scoring threat), with role players like Drew Gooden and Pavlovic...I don't see those players as nobodies. That team had a deeper bench then last years Lakers.

Larry Hughes rivals Antoine Walker as one of the lowest-efficiency scorers ever. He was never a true scoring threat. He was a threat only to shoot a lot. He has no business being a primary cog on a playoff team, much less a Finals team.
As for Big Z, no one has ever accused him of being a championship-caliber post player. That being said, he's a good player, and an efficient player.
Naming Larry Hughes and Ilgauskas as two of a big 3 is laughable. Even you have to concede that.

Take James off the 2007 team and your core is Hughes, Z, Varejao, Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble, and Pavlovic. That team would struggle to win 30 games.



Last year Mo Williams was an all star and was a great 2nd option. West had better numbers in Boston with less minutes than last year. Still had Big Z, and good role players like Varejao, Wallace, Gibson, Smith and Szczerbiak.

Mo Williams became an all-star by default after Jameer Nelson broke his leg. As for West, he had his best season of his career last year after cutting down his turnovers, improving his defense, and having his highest offensive rating.

You keep naming average role players. Without James that entire team is average role players and Mo Williams, the defaulted "All-Star."
That's a lottery team.


If James doesn't win it all this year with Shaq who is still capable of averaging 17 and 8, Mo Williams, West, Parker, Moon, Big Z, Varejao, and Powe then I'd doubt he'd ever get a ring. That is a deep *** team.

That's total bull and you know it. There are five teams this year (Cavs, Celtics, Magic, Lakers, Spurs) who are all stacked. Outside of LeBron and Shaq every single one of those teams is deeper.


All I'm saying is the guy doesn't deserve all the hype he gets until he gets his first ring and that goes for every player considered the best and given so much hype over nothing.

and all I'm saying is that to harp on a 24 year old for not having a ring when he has never had a real team surrounding him (and even now, they're relying on a 37 year old center) when the greatest player of all time didn't win one until he was 27 is nitpicking at best and plain idiocy at worst.

theuuord
10-03-2009, 04:02 PM
because lebron is a prick. Dont try to hide that. It bothers some ppl

Ever met him? I have. He's no prick.

Bashna
10-03-2009, 04:12 PM
1: The worth of a player SHOULD NEVER BE DETERMINED BY THE AMOUNT OF RINGS HE HAS! it's ridiculous how many variables go into winning a championship, it includes luck, management, teammates, tons of things that are COMPLETELY out of the players hands.

2: Lebron James is 24, he has another 12-18 possible years to win a championship, and has come very close with a group of baddies multiple years.

3: He has YET to have a team ANYWHERE CLOSE to having the good 2nd/3rd/Bench options that kobe, shaq, duncan, etc have had. Mo williams was NOT a good 2nd option until he was with lebron, delonte west is awful and streaky, Big Z is dying of old age, Varejao rarely does anything but play "okay" defense, pavlovich is a better cheerleader than a player, lets be serious here...He has not had anywhere close to a good supporting cast since he began his career.

4: Shaq could very well average 17-8, but remember hes an 36+ year old 300pound 7'1 center, I'm definitely looking forward to the shaq-lebron combo, but it's not the same shaq Wade and Kobe had, so if lebron DOES win it with the aged shaq, it says ALOT, and if he doesn't, it's less of a deal than you're making it as the Lakers are stacked, Celtics are decently built, Orlando is stacked with bench and role players, and the list goes on...you put lebron in place of ANYONE of those teams star players and i'd bet every cent i own on them winning the championship.


Back on topic, the movie is ment to be inspiring and shows his struggles growing up and finding a home in basketball and his friends/teammates, who the *** cares if he gets a movie? Don't like it? Don't watch. Theres a demand for more lebron everything, so they supply it, junior high economics people. lastly, i agree with others in this thread, I became a LBJ fan more or less because hes the best player in the league, AND because of the amount of Kobe homers that hate him, and other people in general that dislike him simply because he demands respect via his game. It's asinine to think anything but the truth, and the truth is Lebron is the best player in the league today, and at the young age of 24 he has done GREAT things, and he is going to have an A M A Z I N G career, and i'd love to see him match jordan in everyway, and as much as people dislike it, Lebron james is very very very very similar to jordan in tons of ways, so if you don't like that idea, get with the times, idiot.


In conclusion, he earned a movie, he's an amazing player, he deserves respect, and gets hated on for NO reason WAY to much...Yes he's hyped, but every star gets hyped, why does lebron get SO much hype? Because he's the 'STAR' of all the STARS. Hes #1. get over it.

Hustla23
10-03-2009, 04:14 PM
It's a sad world when rapists get more love than someone who refuses to shake someone's hand.

WITZ
10-03-2009, 04:17 PM
Did U just call Larry Hughes a scoring threat :laugh: & naming players like Ben Wallace and Wally Z. just invalidates your point of good role players Even boobie who played hurt most of last year was not good ,keep trying.

Bashna
10-03-2009, 04:20 PM
It's a sad world when rapists get more love than someone who refuses to shake someone's hand.
:clap: i lol'd.

fredo832
10-03-2009, 04:24 PM
it's a sad world when rapists get more love than someone who refuses to shake someone's hand.

lmfao!!!!

Litchris12
10-03-2009, 04:30 PM
It's a sad world when rapists get more love than someone who refuses to shake someone's hand.



lol where u hear that from?

magichatnumber9
10-03-2009, 04:32 PM
What do you call that Spike Lee movie last year? That wasn't about Kobe????
I would rather watch the T.O show then sit through that garbage again.

FachoinaNYY
10-03-2009, 04:50 PM
Like the title says, why is there a movie about Lebron and not Jordan (space jam doesnt count), or Kobe, or Magic, or Shaq, or Tim Duncan, or some of the other perennial all time greats. Am I the only one who thinks that the hype behind this guy is sort of disgusting? Discuss.

because the people making it believe there will be a market for it... its as simple as that. Welcome to America and Capitalism!

If you don't like it, don't see it.

dumb thread.

ManRam
10-03-2009, 05:09 PM
because the people making it believe there will be a market for it... its as simple as that. Welcome to America and Capitalism!

If you don't like it, don't see it.

dumb thread.

This isn't all about LeBron either. In fact, critics who have been critical about it have noted that there wasn't enough LeBron James attention in the movie. It's about his high school team and coach. It's supposed to be amazing. It's not all about him, like Kobe Doin' Work was all about Kobe.

I'm sure this story, with the footage they have, is a lot more interesting than footage of Kobe's high school team, or Jordan's, or anyone else's.

I don't get how this can actually anger people...especially when they have no idea what it is even about. The people who made the movie really wanted to do this. It wasn't LeBron begging for the spotlight. You can't blame him for being the most marketable and popular athlete out there. He just is. He's likable, he's hated, he's amazing, he's not boring, he's not obnoxious either. Hell, I didn't even know what his voice sounded like for a few seasons, seemed like he never wanted the spotlight.

If you hate him...fine. Don't watch the movie. Let the rest of us enjoy it.

bigsams50
10-03-2009, 05:20 PM
It's a sad world when rapists get more love than someone who refuses to shake someone's hand.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

rabzouz 96
10-03-2009, 07:30 PM
Mo Williams became an all-star by default after Jameer Nelson broke his leg. As for West, he had his best season of his career last year after cutting down his turnovers, improving his defense, and having his highest offensive rating.

You keep naming average role players. Without James that entire team is average role players and Mo Williams, the defaulted "All-Star."
That's a lottery team.

lulzors as if mo williams wouldve even been considered all star material if he stayed on the bucks. the sole reason he was in the game was because he played on lebrons winning team. hed never have made it to the game on his former team,nor would he be considered as one of the best eastern pgs nor an all star.

kobelaughsatall
10-03-2009, 08:05 PM
It's a sad world when rapists get more love than someone who refuses to shake someone's hand.

Really? isn't the kobe "rapist" joke a little out dated now. There was no rape get over it. The joke isn't even humorous like it once was:bang:

mrmike101
10-03-2009, 08:27 PM
Really? isn't the kobe "rapist" joke a little out dated now. There was no rape get over it. The joke isn't even humorous like it once was:bang:

A lot of people thought it was funny. You should just keep beating your head against the wall on behalf of kobe, thats funny too.

theuuord
10-03-2009, 08:28 PM
A lot of people thought it was funny. You should just keep beating your head against the wall on behalf of kobe, thats funny too.

honestly i didn't even think it was that funny. neither of those things has anything to do with the basketball court.

kobelaughsatall
10-03-2009, 09:14 PM
honestly i didn't even think it was that funny. neither of those things has anything to do with the basketball court.

at least someone here has some common sense

Storch
10-03-2009, 09:22 PM
Im down to watch the movie if anyone has a pirated version. :laugh2:

TO Rapz
10-03-2009, 09:42 PM
The thing about this thread is that it all leads to people hating on Lebron. Now I dont like Kobe or Lebron or Dirk. But this was made by a Kobe lover and we all know Kobe lovers hate Lebron lovers which then got interuppted by a Dirk lover and we all know that Mavericks hate on just about everyone in the league, now before you go and get on me Mavrix I do believe yall have a better team this year and yall will contend against the Lakers. But anyways back to the point this is all jealousy coming out of a Lakers fan and can you only imagine what Lebron lovers are going to say if Kobe comes out with a documentary as well? They are going to say he is trying to take any sort of fame Lebron gets so Kobe can have all the fame. I believe Lebron made this movie for people here to rememeber him years to come as a team player that might or maybe might not win any championships. You dont need to win a championship to become a great or a hall of famer guys. Yao Ming will most likely go into the Hall of fame without winning a championship,if Im not mistaken Chris Paul will most likely go into the hall of fame without a championship. Now it doesnt take a championship to become a legend or a hall of famer.

:clap:
but yes lebron is *******
MJ > Kobe > Lebron=Wade> Dirk

Trouble87
10-03-2009, 10:07 PM
there was a Yao movie... did you question that as well?

real question... Why is there a thread about why there is a Lebron movie?

SA5195
10-03-2009, 10:15 PM
Really who cares?

Ethix11
10-03-2009, 11:27 PM
No other player besides MJ gets as much hype as Lebron James. The media takes advantage of that since hes still playing and they sell the fact that many people want to watch a movie about a guy they think will be the best player ever. With that said, if you took a poll right now to see how many people thought Lebron was already better than Kobe, you would at least get a 50-50 response. Theres enough millions to go around there. Why not Kobe? Well why not Lebron?

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 01:36 AM
Really? isn't the kobe "rapist" joke a little out dated now. There was no rape get over it. The joke isn't even humorous like it once was:bang:
The sad thing is I wasn't even joking.

Even if Kobe didn't rape anybody, he still cheated on his wife and family. It's one of the most despicable things you can do. And if he did actually rape her, then, even worse.

Yet, Lebron becomes crucified for becoming upset and not shaking someone's hand or confiscating a video.

Utter ridiculousness.

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 01:38 AM
No other player besides MJ gets as much hype as Lebron James. The media takes advantage of that since hes still playing and they sell the fact that many people want to watch a movie about a guy they think will be the best player ever. With that said, if you took a poll right now to see how many people thought Lebron was already better than Kobe, you would at least get a 50-50 response. Theres enough millions to go around there. Why not Kobe? Well why not Lebron?
I wonder when all the people who demand objectivity would actually adhere to it and see the fact that Lebron is better than Kobe.

ZebraCity916
10-04-2009, 02:41 AM
its obviously not the same...
john Stockton never carried himself like he thought he was gods gift to the world....he was a humble...quiet..player that just got the job done without saying a peep...for how many years?

please dont compare stock to lebron james
:facepalm:

How did I compare them??

He said that LeBron isn't **** without a ring. So is John Stockton **** also cause he doesn't have a ring??

And this has nothing to do with who is humble and who thinks he's Gods gift to the world.

ARMIN12NBA
10-04-2009, 02:42 AM
It's going to be an awful movie anyways. Who would want to see this piece of crap film? A huge waste of time.

ARMIN12NBA
10-04-2009, 02:45 AM
The sad thing is I wasn't even joking.

Even if Kobe didn't rape anybody, he still cheated on his wife and family. It's one of the most despicable things you can do. And if he did actually rape her, then, even worse.

Yet, Lebron becomes crucified for becoming upset and not shaking someone's hand or confiscating a video.

Utter ridiculousness.

He didn't rape her...And Lebron cheated on his girlfriend too bud. Does that make one better than the other? No. They are humans. Get over the fact that they are not superhuman. I really hope this isn't an equivalent to the moment you found out that Santa Claus didn't exist. :rolleyes:

ARMIN12NBA
10-04-2009, 02:47 AM
I wonder when all the people who demand objectivity would actually adhere to it and see the fact that Lebron is better than Kobe.

There is no actual "fact." Once you get the idea that there is fact out of your mind, then you can make a legitimate argument.

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 02:53 AM
He didn't rape her...And Lebron cheated on his girlfriend too bud. Does that make one better than the other? No. They are humans. Get over the fact that they are not superhuman. I really hope this isn't an equivalent to the moment you found out that Santa Claus didn't exist. :rolleyes:
Cheating on your girlfriend is completely different than cheating on your wife and betraying your whole family. And there's still doubts as to whether he raped her or not.

I know people make mistakes. I'm making the point that one person who commits one action of a significantly greater consequence doesn't receive nearly as much **** as one person who didn't do the same.

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 02:54 AM
There is no actual "fact." Once you get the idea that there is fact out of your mind, then you can make a legitimate argument.
Facts = statistics

Lebron's statistics > Kobe's statistics

Pretty easy proof, huh?

ZebraCity916
10-04-2009, 03:00 AM
Why is there a gonna be a lebron movie ?


Uhm, cause there are people who will pay for it, to see it.

Exactly!!!! That's all it is!!!!

The movie was made cause people will pay to see it just like Disney movies.

Stop the madness.

ko8e24
10-04-2009, 02:16 PM
When Did PSD become an Ethics Course?? :hide:

theuuord
10-04-2009, 02:23 PM
When Did PSD become an Ethics Course?? :hide:

lol seriously. people get away with some of the most unethical crap in the world here.

fredv
10-04-2009, 02:37 PM
Uhm.. so that the people who helped him get where he is (his friends, teammates, family) can get some money through the film? Its a way of giving back to the community...

KobeBeatJeeesus
10-04-2009, 05:07 PM
His career is sad?? Really?? That gets a big :facepalm: He's only 24 and he's a MVP. He's one of the youngest ever to win that. Stop hating.

I would be pretty damn sad if I got swept against the Spurs, had to call Kobe captain in the olympics, lose in game 7 to the celtics, win the mvp and have the leagues best record but lose in 5 (which should have been 4) to Orlando. His future is "promising", but so were Stockton and Malone's.

KobeBeatJeeesus
10-04-2009, 05:16 PM
there was a Yao movie... did you question that as well?

real question... Why is there a thread about why there is a Lebron movie?

Yao is sort of the first of his kind. How many other gigantic asian players do you see in the NBA that are as good as he is? If you cant engage in intelligent conversation then dont bother posting anything at all.

ARMIN12NBA
10-04-2009, 05:53 PM
Cheating on your girlfriend is completely different than cheating on your wife and betraying your whole family.

:facepalm: Cheating on your girlfriend (who is also the mother of your children) is just as bad as cheating on your wife or your girlfriend who is not a mother.


And there's still doubts as to whether he raped her or not.

Nope. If you were a young adult who could comprehend the details of the situation/case during 2004, then there are absolutely no doubts whatsoever as to whether or not he raped Kate Faber.


I know people make mistakes. I'm making the point that one person who commits one action of a significantly greater consequence doesn't receive nearly as much **** as one person who didn't do the same.

They both did the same. They are both humans. They both are not superman. The quicker you understand it, the less you build up one human being into something immortal.


Facts = statistics

Lebron's statistics > Kobe's statistics

Pretty easy proof, huh?

Obviously, the terms "context" and "the means to an end" mean absolutely nothing to you.

In FACT, the farther you get through your education, you will learn that fact do NOT equal statistics.

You will learn how to analyze the context of statistics and how they apply to a particular situation.

VARIABLES are also an enormously huge aspect of analyzing and determining the importance of statistics. I am not sure of your education background, but if you are a youth (My Cousin Vinny style), then you will learn soon enough bud.

ThuglifeJ
10-04-2009, 05:57 PM
LeBron thinks hes god gift to the world.. I read that along this unneccesary thread.

But it's very true.

ZebraCity916
10-04-2009, 06:36 PM
I would be pretty damn sad if I got swept against the Spurs, had to call Kobe captain in the olympics, lose in game 7 to the celtics, win the mvp and have the leagues best record but lose in 5 (which should have been 4) to Orlando. His future is "promising", but so were Stockton and Malone's.

Losing game 7 to the Celtics isn't that bad. That's just basketball. Getting swept in the Finals is sad but that's what happens when you're the best player on the team and have to do all the work. Best record and lose in 5 is kinda sad. It's not like he addressed Kobe as captain. Like called him Captain instead of Kobe so it's not that big of a deal.

What do you mean by that last line that I bolded??

bigsams50
10-04-2009, 07:26 PM
I would be pretty damn sad if I got swept against the Spurs, had to call Kobe captain in the olympics, lose in game 7 to the celtics, win the mvp and have the leagues best record but lose in 5 (which should have been 4) to Orlando. His future is "promising", but so were Stockton and Malone's.

Well thts not as bad as losing in 5 games in the finals while having Shaq payton and malone on the team. Lebron got swept when he had nobody on his team, kobe lost in 5 with 3 HOFers, even though payton and malone were well past their primes, they were better than what lebron had

IndiansFan337
10-04-2009, 07:37 PM
Like the title says, why is there a movie about Lebron and not Jordan (space jam doesnt count), or Kobe, or Magic, or Shaq, or Tim Duncan, or some of the other perennial all time greats. Am I the only one who thinks that the hype behind this guy is sort of disgusting? Discuss.

a.) It is a documentary
b.) It is not solely about LeBron, it is about the national champion St. V-M high basketball team of 2003
c.) Kobe does have a documentary, directed by Spike Lee

:pity:

Just because you may not be a fan of his, does not mean that this story should go untold. This team was unbelievable all the way through high school. They were an entertaining bunch, not a hype machine. How can you say it is a hype machine when LeBron James is now an NBA MVP, Dru Joyce & Romeo Travis were All-Mac 1st Team players at The University of Akron & now play professional basketball in Germany, and Sian Cotton & Willie McGee both went to college on football scholarships. That is not hype, it is an unbelievable story. This team had to move their games from their high school gym to The University of Akron's JAR arena to meet the high demand of local fans. They sold out the JAR's 5,000+ seating capacity when the college team couldn't even accomplish that feat. The coach from their first two years in HS is now The University of Akron men's basketball coach & he led them to the NCAA Tourney & MAC Championship last season & they have recorded four straight 20 win seasons. This movie is not only about LeBron. It is not hype. It is a tremendous accomplishment. It is a wonderful story.

I saw the documentary on Friday night & I suggest that any of you who are in the markets it is shown do the same.

Xeroprime99
10-04-2009, 07:49 PM
The League and All the other LBJ Faithful have to Cup The balls while on their knees. Seriously Who cares about what a Team Did in HighSchool? I'd rather watched a movie about the Rise and Fall of the Fab 5.

D-Leethal
10-04-2009, 08:27 PM
and people wonder why Laker fans get such a bad rap.............got I hate the NBA forum

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 08:46 PM
:facepalm: Cheating on your girlfriend (who is also the mother of your children) is just as bad as cheating on your wife or your girlfriend who is not a mother.



Nope. If you were a young adult who could comprehend the details of the situation/case during 2004, then there are absolutely no doubts whatsoever as to whether or not he raped Kate Faber.



They both did the same. They are both humans. They both are not superman. The quicker you understand it, the less you build up one human being into something immortal.



Obviously, the terms "context" and "the means to an end" mean absolutely nothing to you.

In FACT, the farther you get through your education, you will learn that fact do NOT equal statistics.

You will learn how to analyze the context of statistics and how they apply to a particular situation.

VARIABLES are also an enormously huge aspect of analyzing and determining the importance of statistics. I am not sure of your education background, but if you are a youth (My Cousin Vinny style), then you will learn soon enough bud.
Haha, is all this sarcastic talk supposed to impress anybody but yourself? It doesn't make you or your post seem any more intelligent. So let's leave the sarcasm aside and be serious for a second ;)

I agree, some statistics are skewed and altered due to the circumstances in which they were produced, but those are not the statistics I was referring to.

Somebody can score more points per game than another person but that person may be a ball hog or take too many shots, or shoot at a bad percentage, etc. That is a good example of someone having greater stats but being a less efficient player.

So let's look at statistics that solely measure efficiency and not quantity.

I think even you'll agree that efficiency is a greater and more objective determinant of ability.

Let's go through this step by step.

PER is a pretty ****** statistic IMO merely because it heavily relies on superficial stats like points, rebounds, so it's not surprising that Lebron posts a PER of 31.1 and Kobe a PER of 24.4 ,so let's disregard that.

When it comes to True Shooting %, this measures a player's complete shooting efficiency by accounting for the differing values in threes, twos, and free throws and how the player performs shooting wise.

Lebron TS% = 59.1 %
Kobe TS% = 56.1%

Which means even though Lebron doesn't have a jumper, he more than makes up for it with his slashing ability, finishing around the rim, and ability to draw fouls and convert on the line. So even though Kobe, has a better jumper, Lebron is more efficient shooting wise.

Which leads us to offense. Once again, despite all the skills and tricks and what have you that Kobe can do and Lebron can't, Lebron is a better offensive player. Why? Because he possesses an offensive rating of 122 and Kobe possesses an offensive rating of 115. Offensive rating measures how many points can be attributed to a player when on the floor per 100 possessions. Has nothing to do with the amount of shots, what kind of shots, nothing. Just shows who had a better rate of scoring.

A natural segway would be defense. Conversely, defensive rating measures how many points are scored on the player when on the floor per 100 possessions. Pretty concrete statistic if you ask me. Lebron has the better defensive rating of 99 compared to Kobe's defensive rating of 106.

Percentages offer a view of how efficient a player was in a particular category as we very well know that simple amounts of particular stats can be misleading. For example, rebounding percentage measures how effective a player is in obtaining rebounds when available, and not simply if a player was on the floor for a longer time than another player and accumulated more rebounds that way. The same methodology goes for assist percentage, blocking percentage, and steal percentage.

Coincidentally Lebron posts:

Offensive Rebounding % = 4.3
Defensive Rebounding % = 19
Assist % = 38
Block % = 2.4
Steal % = 2.4

Kobe posts:

Offensive Rebounding % = 3.5
Defensive Rebounding % = 12.8
Assist % = 23.8
Block % = 1.0
Steal % = 2.1

In every single category Lebron > Kobe.

So we can see that, relatively objectively, we can determine that Lebron is a more efficient scorer, better defender, better rebounder, better shot blocker, and better passer.

When Lebron is better than Kobe in every fundamental aspect of basketball, how can people say that Kobe is better?

I used the most objective statistics available to justify my case that Lebron is better than Kobe.

If you are not going to use statistics to argue your point, then I can't imagine how logical or factual of an argument you can make. We use statistics as a pre-determined objective medium with which to compare.

You have to admit it's a lot more credible than just one's subjective observation, no?

Here are a couple of tables just recapping what I said and my sources.

Lebron :


Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS
2003-04 19 CLE NBA 79 3122 18.3 .488 .438 3.5 11.8 7.6 27.8 2.2 1.3 13.9 28.2 99 104 2.5 2.6 5.1
2004-05 20 CLE NBA 80 3388 25.7 .554 .504 3.8 17.0 10.2 32.9 2.8 1.1 11.8 29.7 114 103 9.6 4.5 14.1
2005-06 21 CLE NBA 79 3361 28.1 .568 .515 2.6 17.1 9.8 32.8 2.0 1.5 10.7 33.6 115 104 11.9 4.3 16.1
2006-07 22 CLE NBA 78 3190 24.5 .552 .507 3.0 16.6 9.6 29.1 2.1 1.3 11.5 31.0 112 100 7.9 5.6 13.5
2007-08 23 CLE NBA 75 3027 29.1 .568 .518 4.9 17.8 11.1 37.3 2.4 2.1 11.4 33.5 116 104 10.4 4.4 14.9
2008-09 24 CLE NBA 81 3054 31.7 .591 .530 4.3 19.0 11.9 38.0 2.4 2.4 11.0 33.8 122 99 13.3 6.3 19.6
Career NBA 472 19142 26.2 .555 .503 3.6 16.5 10.0 32.9 2.3 1.6 11.6 31.6 113 103 55.6 27.8 83.4


Kobe:


Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS
1996-97 18 LAL NBA 71 1103 14.4 .544 .477 4.9 8.7 6.8 13.8 2.3 1.6 18.5 24.7 101 105 0.5 1.4 1.8
1997-98 19 LAL NBA 79 2056 18.5 .548 .469 4.5 8.7 6.7 16.0 1.8 1.3 12.4 27.2 110 106 4.6 1.9 6.5
1998-99 20 LAL NBA 50 1896 18.9 .549 .482 3.3 12.7 8.1 17.5 2.0 1.9 14.7 25.3 106 104 3.8 1.5 5.3
1999-00 21 LAL NBA 66 2524 21.7 .546 .488 4.6 12.9 8.8 22.4 2.2 1.7 11.8 26.8 110 98 6.1 4.5 10.6
2000-01 22 LAL NBA 68 2783 24.5 .552 .484 4.3 11.8 8.1 23.0 2.1 1.1 11.1 31.8 112 105 9.2 2.2 11.4
2001-02 23 LAL NBA 80 3063 23.2 .544 .479 4.1 11.7 7.9 25.9 2.0 0.8 10.7 30.4 112 103 9.1 3.9 12.9
2002-03 24 LAL NBA 82 3401 26.2 .550 .483 3.5 15.3 9.3 27.2 2.8 1.4 11.4 32.9 111 103 11.1 4.0 15.1
2003-04 25 LAL NBA 65 2447 23.7 .551 .468 4.7 12.0 8.3 24.4 2.4 0.8 10.8 29.1 112 102 7.9 3.0 11.0
2004-05 26 LAL NBA 66 2689 23.3 .563 .482 4.0 12.4 8.2 28.5 1.7 1.4 14.3 31.7 111 111 7.1 1.0 8.1
2005-06 27 LAL NBA 80 3277 28.0 .559 .491 2.6 12.7 7.6 24.1 2.4 0.7 9.0 38.7 114 105 11.7 3.7 15.4
2006-07 28 LAL NBA 77 3140 26.1 .580 .502 2.8 13.5 8.2 25.5 1.8 0.9 10.9 33.6 115 109 11.0 2.3 13.3
2007-08 29 LAL NBA 82 3192 24.2 .576 .503 3.4 14.1 9.0 23.9 2.4 0.9 11.3 31.4 115 105 9.8 4.5 14.3
2008-09 30 LAL NBA 82 2960 24.4 .561 .502 3.5 12.8 8.2 23.8 2.1 1.0 9.7 32.2 115 106 8.9 4.2 13.0
Career NBA 948 34531 23.6 .558 .488 3.7 12.6 8.2 23.6 2.2 1.1 11.4 31.2 112 105 100.8 38.1 138.8


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

WITZ
10-04-2009, 08:51 PM
It's going to be an awful movie anyways. Who would want to see this piece of crap film? A huge waste of time.

Hating at its finest :facepalm: ,It can't be any worse then "Kobe Doin Work" I would love to hear what U thought of that.

theuuord
10-04-2009, 08:58 PM
Which leads us to offense. Once again, despite all the skills and tricks and what have you that Kobe can do and Lebron can't, Lebron is a better offensive player. Why? Because he possesses an offensive rating of 122 and Kobe possesses an offensive rating of 115. Offensive rating measures how many points can be attributed to a player when on the floor per 100 possessions. Has nothing to do with the amount of shots, what kind of shots, nothing. Just shows who had a better rate of scoring.

that's not what offensive rating measures. offensive rating does not measure the amount of points a player scores per 100 possessions. offensive rating measures the amount of points produced per 100 possessions. that being said, points produced is an extremely complicated and extremely effective formula. if you want to learn more about it, i suggest you take some high-level math classes and read "Basketball on Paper" by Dean Oliver.


A natural segway would be defense. Conversely, defensive rating measures how many points are scored on the player when on the floor per 100 possessions.

again, that's not what it measures. the same stuff from above applies here.

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 09:05 PM
that's not what offensive rating measures. offensive rating does not measure the amount of points a player scores per 100 possessions. offensive rating measures the amount of points produced per 100 possessions. that being said, points produced is an extremely complicated and extremely effective formula. if you want to learn more about it, i suggest you take some high-level math classes and read "Basketball on Paper" by Dean Oliver.



again, that's not what it measures. the same stuff from above applies here.
Yes, I know.... Please don't put words in my mouth.

I said the points are attributed to the player which means the same exact thing as "points being produced with the contribution of a player" or whatever.

They have to do with the game as a whole with the player being a factor.

I know what I'm talking about thank you.

jakesmail123
10-04-2009, 09:15 PM
why not?
lebron is the greatest right now and if he wants to make a movie he can.
im definately going to watch it

ZebraCity916
10-04-2009, 09:26 PM
why not?
lebron is the greatest right now and if he wants to make a movie he can.
im definately going to watch it

That's the thing though. He has no part of the movie besides being in it. He didn't come up with the idea that I know of. He has no part in producing it, directing it, or writing it. It's a documentary.

jakesmail123 I'm not trying to attack you or anything. I'm just trying to make it clear for all thew LeBron haters that he's not behind the making of this movie at all besides the fact that he's in it.

ManRam
10-04-2009, 09:53 PM
It just baffles me how people turn everything LeBron related into something negative. First he didn't shake hands. GASP!! How dare he?!?! Especially since hand shaking in the NBA is so prevalent (and for you non-sarcastic people, that sentence was just that). Then he got dunked on at a camp, and Nike wouldn't release it. OMG! How dare he be so evil. Only a Satan worshiper would do that (do what?? nothing). And now, a documentary is being created about his high school team, a team that won the national championship, and might be the most well known HS team ever. How dare LeBron allow this!! Such sacrilege.

Seriously. Give it up. If you hate him, don't watch it. If you love him, who cares if people hate him?

I personally think it looks very interesting. It isn't a LeBron movie, LeBron is just one of 5 main characters. It's getting very good reviews as well. Give it up.

theuuord
10-04-2009, 10:24 PM
Yes, I know.... Please don't put words in my mouth.

I said the points are attributed to the player which means the same exact thing as "points being produced with the contribution of a player" or whatever.

They have to do with the game as a whole with the player being a factor.

I know what I'm talking about thank you.

I'm not buying what you're selling. for offensive rating you said "Just shows who had a better rate of scoring." That would be the last thing you would say if you knew what offensive rating (and points produced) measured, because it's way more than that. Anyone who understands the concept of points produced would avoid wording it like that, because the entire reason we have points produced is to avoid that common misconception.

as for defensive rating, you said "Conversely, defensive rating measures how many points are scored on the player when on the floor per 100 possessions." that's not what it measures at all. also, you called it a "concrete statistic," which is DEFINITELY the last thing you say about defensive rating - even Oliver, the creator of it, points out that it is extremely flawed as a defensive measure.

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 10:45 PM
I'm not buying what you're selling. for offensive rating you said "Just shows who had a better rate of scoring." That would be the last thing you would say if you knew what offensive rating (and points produced) measured, because it's way more than that. Anyone who understands the concept of points produced would avoid wording it like that, because the entire reason we have points produced is to avoid that common misconception.

as for defensive rating, you said "Conversely, defensive rating measures how many points are scored on the player when on the floor per 100 possessions." that's not what it measures at all. also, you called it a "concrete statistic," which is DEFINITELY the last thing you say about defensive rating - even Oliver, the creator of it, points out that it is extremely flawed as a defensive measure.
Whatever man. I'm not getting into a semantics argument with you. I said it was the points attributed to a player and to attribute means to "relate or be a source of" which fits perfectly.

" A better rate of scoring " can mean a million different things in different contexts but I'm telling you it refers to what I said before.

" How many points are scored on the player " more or less refers to how the opponent did offensively when the player was on the floor because if a basket was made and the player was on defense, he was more or less responsible in significant or insignificant form, depending on the context, to that event.

It doesn't even matter how I worded it because these specifics in semantics are not entirely relevant to the effect of the argument I was having with the guy who doesn't happen to be you. :facepalm:

WITZ
10-04-2009, 11:01 PM
It just baffles me how people turn everything LeBron related into something negative. First he didn't shake hands. GASP!! How dare he?!?! Especially since hand shaking in the NBA is so prevalent (and for you non-sarcastic people, that sentence was just that). Then he got dunked on at a camp, and Nike wouldn't release it. OMG! How dare he be so evil. Only a Satan worshiper would do that (do what?? nothing). And now, a documentary is being created about his high school team, a team that won the national championship, and might be the most well known HS team ever. How dare LeBron allow this!! Such sacrilege.

Seriously. Give it up. If you hate him, don't watch it. If you love him, who cares if people hate him?

I personally think it looks very interesting. It isn't a LeBron movie, LeBron is just one of 5 main characters. It's getting very good reviews as well. Give it up.
:clap: :clap: :clap: Well said and coming from a magic fan I respect that.

loveofthegame87
10-04-2009, 11:23 PM
The only difference between this and any other nba player story is that this was documented. There's a lot of players that came from a hard upbringing win hs championships and went to the nba. The main thing is that we shouldn't hate him for his hustle. As for the crazy rapist comment made by hustla23 that wasn't cool; thats like someone calling you a child molester and your not. People can't be mad if lebron doesn't shake his opponents hands he doesn't shake little kids hands either thats why a kid called him a "jerk".

Hustla23
10-04-2009, 11:25 PM
The only difference between this and any other nba player story is that this was documented. There's a lot of players that came from a hard upbringing win hs championships and went to the nba. The main thing is that we shouldn't hate him for his hustle. As for the crazy rapist comment made by hustla23 that wasn't cool; thats like someone calling you a child molester and your not. People can't be mad if lebron doesn't shake his opponents hands he doesn't shake little kids hands either thats why a kid called him a "jerk".
lol Okay.

I formally apologize for making that comment.

It wasn't all that serious, but whatever.

Ace33Bone
10-05-2009, 09:51 AM
I dont see the problem with the movie... i mean I would like to see a Kobe movie or something as well but since it hasn't happened yet then no big deal... But i am definitely going to see this movie when it hits theaters

ManRam
10-07-2009, 10:05 PM
Here's a pretty solid review...

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/movies/id.345/title.more-than-a-game

I know a lot of people want it to suck...but I've heard a lot more positivity than negativity. Most of the negativity is from people who want more LeBron, which is the reason a lot of people are upset that "he has a movie", even though it's hardly about him.

Can't wait to see it.

Spurred1
10-07-2009, 11:18 PM
Why on Earth is this even a thread? The answer of why a movie with Lebron would be made is $$$.
As for being swept by the Spurs in the Finals, LeBron was the only player the Spurs were concerned with stopping because the other players were limited in their skills and would not be able to carry the team to victory.
Nobody stopped Tony Parker, another reason the Cavs got swept.

But I don't get why LeBron is so detested by some on here. The hatred displayed by some on PSD is sort of obsessive.
So what if he hasn't won any rings yet? He most likely will in the future, and if he doesn't, it won't take away from what he has accomplished. There are a lot of great players without rings.

JayW_1023
10-08-2009, 10:23 AM
There are a lot of great players without rings.

And alot of great movies with nba players.


Like Kazaam!

Lil Rhody
10-08-2009, 10:33 AM
just more NBA propaganda to make you think the king is the king. IMO kings have jewerly on their fingers.... like Russell, Magic, Bird, Jordan, and hate to say it Kobe... i know im forgeting people but this is a list off my head