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AlexTmz2
09-30-2009, 01:36 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-top-10-power-forwards-of-the-last-decade;_ylt=AuEH4YMIX8ZWBm1jtPqhYf.8vLYF?urn=nba,1 93073


10. Karl Malone

Malone only played until 2004, but the (arguable, if Bob Pettit's in the room) greatest power forward ever was pretty damn potent when he did suit up. Averaged in the low 20s per game, about eight and a half boards, four assists, and provided a staunch, ornery, defensive effort.

The Mailman could have easily played on after 2003-04, when he registered a 17.8 PER at age 40 while working in a new offense with the Lakers for the first time in nearly 20 years. But after a campaign that saw him miss 40 games (after missing 10, mostly by suspension, combined games in the 18 seasons previous), a frustrated Malone moved on. To shooting things.


9. Chris Bosh(notes)
This spindly scorer was an immediate hit in Toronto, showcasing a veteran's knack for putting the ball in the hole almost right away. Though Vince Carter(notes) complained that the Raptors could have used a 2003 lottery pick in a trade to secure veteran talent, Raptor fans knew what they had.

19.6 points and nine rebounds a game so far, and he just turned 25 last March.


8. Chris Webber(notes)

Remember, this list isn't a ranking of all-time power forwards, just the ones that played from 1999-00 until last season. And as great as Webber was at his peak, early in the decade, he was more or less done by late 2005-06; he missed most of 2003-04, and was one of the league's worst defenders from 2004 until his final sprint with the Warriors in 2007-08.

At that peak, though, he was masterful. An all-around terror who worked the low and high post to perfection, setting screens, finding cutters, scoring with the hook or jumper ... he was fantastic.


7. Rasheed Wallace(notes)
Wallace looked like a washout last season, and he hasn't really ventured into the post since the first George W. Bush administration, but his sound shooting and defensive aptitude made him a stalwart contributor on several great Trail Blazer and Pistons teams.

He also put those teams in peril with selfish play (under the guise of acting selfless), repeated technical fouls, and a churlish attitude that left him at odds with teammate after teammate in Portland. But you can't deny his on-court accomplishments. Unfortunately.


6. Antawn Jamison(notes)
Jamison gets a lot of stick for the things he doesn't do — move bodies in the paint, grab ferocious rebounds, dominate defensively — but he's so damn good at what he does do that you can't deny him a significant placement on this list.

He can score. About 20 a night. Eight rebounds, rarely turns it over. Very rarely — 1.7 turnovers per game on his career, in almost 37 minutes a contest. And he works defensively, while trying to find the open man. There's a reason the similarly-scoring Zach Randolph(notes) didn't make the top 10, while Jamison is all the way up at number six, and it has to do with the lack of team-killing ideals in areas outside of putting the ball in the hole.

And unlike Wallace and Malone, Jamison is still going strong. And unlike Bosh, he put in a few years of going strong before Chris even made it to the NBA.


5. Elton Brand(notes)

We're fully aware that Brand has missed nearly two full seasons recently, and that he may never return to the form that saw him mentioned as an MVP candidate in 2005-06, but his peaks were just so good that we couldn't drop him any lower.

Even in the face of constant double-teaming while stuck on lousy Bulls or Clippers teams, Brand has still averaged 20 and 10 on his career, with a combined three blocks/steals, and 2.6 assists. And yet, he's unfairly maligned as if it were his fault he tore his Achilles, hired Tim Floyd, or drafted


4. Shawn Marion(notes)
It's an oft-repeated cliché, but it remains the truth — Shawn Marion rarely, very rarely, has a play called for him.

And yet, in a career that started the season this list began, he's averaged almost 18 points per game. It doesn't end there, as he's grabbed about 10 rebounds, averaged a combined 3.1 blocks/steals, dished two assists, and turned the ball over a miniscule 1.6 times a contest. Alongside fantastic defense, and an ability to spread the floor that helps a team and doesn't always show up in newspaper box scores.


3. Pau Gasol(notes)

This isn't a case of someone just coming into his own, Gasol's per-minute, pace-adjusted stats from last season were about what he was coming through with back in 2004-05. Sure, his defense has markedly improved, to the point of being nearly dominant in the playoffs last spring, but this man has been a beast for years. Great to see the rest of the world catch up.

18.8 points, 8.7 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 2.2 combined blocks/steals, in 35.7 minutes per game. And he's only 28. The guy's presence in your high or low post makes your offense much, much better, even if he isn't scoring or registering an assist. That counts.


2. Dirk Nowitzki(notes)
It would be a pity if Nowitzki ended his career as undervalued, overall, because it's hard to find a greater decade of power forward work in the annals of NBA history.

23.6 points on about 48 percent shooting on the decade, with 8.9 rebounds, a steal, a block, and a shockingly low amount of turnovers. Only about eight and a half percent of the possessions that Nowitzki has used up over the course of the decade have ended in turnovers, a sterling number.


1. Kevin Garnett(notes)
Somehow, Dirk is topped. By a player who still doesn't seem to get the credit he deserves.

Despite the hype, the yelling, the commercials, the fawning on-air tributes from Bill Russell, and (a second time, just to be sure) all the yelling. I still don't think people appreciate how great Kevin Garnett has been, over these years, especially defensively.

That's OK, though. Because, despite all the yelling (have you heard the yelling?), I don't think KG cares much. I don't think he gives a toss where he's ranked, even if he is ranked as the greatest power forward of the last decade.

Hawkeye15
09-30-2009, 01:39 PM
where the F is Tim Duncan? He plays PF. Obviously this writer sees him as a C

DerekRE_3
09-30-2009, 01:42 PM
where the F is Tim Duncan? He plays PF. Obviously this writer sees him as a C

He plays Center now but for most of this decade he was a PF so I'm not sure why the writer is considering him a Center.

Strumpy
09-30-2009, 01:44 PM
Didn't everyone in the world agree that Timmy is a PF?
Apparently this guy didn't get the memo....

AlexTmz2
09-30-2009, 01:46 PM
Yeah, they list him at C but they didnt know any better.

Kings Faithful
09-30-2009, 01:48 PM
I hope this isn't in order... because the notion that some of these guys are ahead of Karl Malone and Chris Webber is laughable. And I believe Duncan is a PF even though he plays C alot.

marques724
09-30-2009, 01:51 PM
Where the hell is Duncan

Mavrix
09-30-2009, 01:54 PM
I hope this isn't in order... because the notion that some of these guys are ahead of Karl Malone and Chris Webber is laughable. And I believe Duncan is a PF even though he plays C alot.

The article says of the last decade. Malone was in his prime in the 90's

king4day
09-30-2009, 01:54 PM
lol, Marion a better PF than Webber? He's a SF and only played about 3-4 years as PF and that was on and off. Can't have him at 3 but Amar'e not there at all.
And yea, Duncan is tops in this list.

Storch
09-30-2009, 01:55 PM
Wheres robert horry and all his rings? haha jk. :laugh2:

AlexTmz2
09-30-2009, 01:55 PM
How the **** is Shawm Marion ahead of Karl Malone and Chris Webber.

Storch
09-30-2009, 01:55 PM
Im glad to see that Webber got some love.

SeoulBeatz
09-30-2009, 02:07 PM
How the **** is Shawm Marion ahead of Karl Malone and Chris Webber.


because they both only played for half of the past decade and didnt produce as much because they were on the decline.

jesus people.

JordansBulls
09-30-2009, 02:12 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-top-10-power-forwards-of-the-last-decade;_ylt=AuEH4YMIX8ZWBm1jtPqhYf.8vLYF?urn=nba,1 93073


10. Karl Malone

Malone only played until 2004, but the (arguable, if Bob Pettit's in the room) greatest power forward ever was pretty damn potent when he did suit up. Averaged in the low 20s per game, about eight and a half boards, four assists, and provided a staunch, ornery, defensive effort.

The Mailman could have easily played on after 2003-04, when he registered a 17.8 PER at age 40 while working in a new offense with the Lakers for the first time in nearly 20 years. But after a campaign that saw him miss 40 games (after missing 10, mostly by suspension, combined games in the 18 seasons previous), a frustrated Malone moved on. To shooting things.


9. Chris Bosh(notes)
This spindly scorer was an immediate hit in Toronto, showcasing a veteran's knack for putting the ball in the hole almost right away. Though Vince Carter(notes) complained that the Raptors could have used a 2003 lottery pick in a trade to secure veteran talent, Raptor fans knew what they had.

19.6 points and nine rebounds a game so far, and he just turned 25 last March.


8. Chris Webber(notes)

Remember, this list isn't a ranking of all-time power forwards, just the ones that played from 1999-00 until last season. And as great as Webber was at his peak, early in the decade, he was more or less done by late 2005-06; he missed most of 2003-04, and was one of the league's worst defenders from 2004 until his final sprint with the Warriors in 2007-08.

At that peak, though, he was masterful. An all-around terror who worked the low and high post to perfection, setting screens, finding cutters, scoring with the hook or jumper ... he was fantastic.


7. Rasheed Wallace(notes)
Wallace looked like a washout last season, and he hasn't really ventured into the post since the first George W. Bush administration, but his sound shooting and defensive aptitude made him a stalwart contributor on several great Trail Blazer and Pistons teams.

He also put those teams in peril with selfish play (under the guise of acting selfless), repeated technical fouls, and a churlish attitude that left him at odds with teammate after teammate in Portland. But you can't deny his on-court accomplishments. Unfortunately.


6. Antawn Jamison(notes)
Jamison gets a lot of stick for the things he doesn't do — move bodies in the paint, grab ferocious rebounds, dominate defensively — but he's so damn good at what he does do that you can't deny him a significant placement on this list.

He can score. About 20 a night. Eight rebounds, rarely turns it over. Very rarely — 1.7 turnovers per game on his career, in almost 37 minutes a contest. And he works defensively, while trying to find the open man. There's a reason the similarly-scoring Zach Randolph(notes) didn't make the top 10, while Jamison is all the way up at number six, and it has to do with the lack of team-killing ideals in areas outside of putting the ball in the hole.

And unlike Wallace and Malone, Jamison is still going strong. And unlike Bosh, he put in a few years of going strong before Chris even made it to the NBA.


5. Elton Brand(notes)

We're fully aware that Brand has missed nearly two full seasons recently, and that he may never return to the form that saw him mentioned as an MVP candidate in 2005-06, but his peaks were just so good that we couldn't drop him any lower.

Even in the face of constant double-teaming while stuck on lousy Bulls or Clippers teams, Brand has still averaged 20 and 10 on his career, with a combined three blocks/steals, and 2.6 assists. And yet, he's unfairly maligned as if it were his fault he tore his Achilles, hired Tim Floyd, or drafted


4. Shawn Marion(notes)
It's an oft-repeated cliché, but it remains the truth — Shawn Marion rarely, very rarely, has a play called for him.

And yet, in a career that started the season this list began, he's averaged almost 18 points per game. It doesn't end there, as he's grabbed about 10 rebounds, averaged a combined 3.1 blocks/steals, dished two assists, and turned the ball over a miniscule 1.6 times a contest. Alongside fantastic defense, and an ability to spread the floor that helps a team and doesn't always show up in newspaper box scores.


3. Pau Gasol(notes)

This isn't a case of someone just coming into his own, Gasol's per-minute, pace-adjusted stats from last season were about what he was coming through with back in 2004-05. Sure, his defense has markedly improved, to the point of being nearly dominant in the playoffs last spring, but this man has been a beast for years. Great to see the rest of the world catch up.

18.8 points, 8.7 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 2.2 combined blocks/steals, in 35.7 minutes per game. And he's only 28. The guy's presence in your high or low post makes your offense much, much better, even if he isn't scoring or registering an assist. That counts.


2. Dirk Nowitzki(notes)
It would be a pity if Nowitzki ended his career as undervalued, overall, because it's hard to find a greater decade of power forward work in the annals of NBA history.

23.6 points on about 48 percent shooting on the decade, with 8.9 rebounds, a steal, a block, and a shockingly low amount of turnovers. Only about eight and a half percent of the possessions that Nowitzki has used up over the course of the decade have ended in turnovers, a sterling number.


1. Kevin Garnett(notes)
Somehow, Dirk is topped. By a player who still doesn't seem to get the credit he deserves.

Despite the hype, the yelling, the commercials, the fawning on-air tributes from Bill Russell, and (a second time, just to be sure) all the yelling. I still don't think people appreciate how great Kevin Garnett has been, over these years, especially defensively.

That's OK, though. Because, despite all the yelling (have you heard the yelling?), I don't think KG cares much. I don't think he gives a toss where he's ranked, even if he is ranked as the greatest power forward of the last decade.

Absolutely horrible list. Rasheed Wallace ahead of Chris Webber and Chris Bosh?

Shawn Marion 4th (dude was a SF, wtf?)

Elton Brand 5th? The guy made the playoffs once in 10 years.

Antawn Jamison 6th?


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AlexTmz2
09-30-2009, 02:18 PM
^ lol im not the one who wrote the article, i just listed it.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
09-30-2009, 02:30 PM
Absolutely horrible list. Rasheed Wallace ahead of Chris Webber and Chris Bosh?

Shawn Marion 4th (dude was a SF, wtf?)

Elton Brand 5th? The guy made the playoffs once in 10 years.

Antawn Jamison 6th?


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jamison is pretty underrated....

I'd takin him over Brand, Sheed, Marion, and Pau, and maybe even Bosh... 6th is a good place for Jamison.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
09-30-2009, 02:30 PM
Doesn't TD and Amare play PF?

Storch
09-30-2009, 02:34 PM
Doesn't TD and Amare play PF?

Amare hasnt proved anything that would make him top 10 in the decade yet.

DLeeicious
09-30-2009, 02:35 PM
Yikes, I know any list is going to have things that people don't agree with but this list is just absurd I don't even know where to begin. It's like the list maker knows zero about basketball but somehow got a list about basketball published.

JayW_1023
09-30-2009, 02:49 PM
Anyone who takes a top 10 lists of PF this decade and not add Duncan has been living in a cave.

King P
09-30-2009, 02:52 PM
I thought Maron was a SF :confused:

Chronz
09-30-2009, 02:52 PM
He plays Center now but for most of this decade he was a PF so I'm not sure why the writer is considering him a Center.
Because his game/talent/size is more of a centers than that of a PF's but then again he has Marion on here, though in Marions case hes always been a better player at the 4. Duncan is more or less the same at either spot, but even in his earlier days he was more of a center than D-Rob was. Duncan just didnt want to guard the bigger players all game so on defense he regularly checked PF. So defensively when your team really has no positions hes mostly been a PF, but offensively when he and D-Rob would work the high-low game, it was usually Duncan down low. So saying hes been a PF for most of the decade isnt very accurate, he has been LISTED as a PF his entire career, even last year when all Bonner did was chuck 3's and guard opposing PF's it was Duncan who was listed as a PF. Though some of that was due to them wanting Duncan to start in the All-Star game, it just gos to show, even in a year where we all know he was the Spurs center, he is still listed as a PF.

This is why Duncan should not be known as the best PF of all time, instead he should be regarded as the 5-6th best center of all time.


I thought Maron was a SF :confused:
Where have you been the last few years?

Chronz
09-30-2009, 02:58 PM
Yikes, I know any list is going to have things that people don't agree with but this list is just absurd I don't even know where to begin. It's like the list maker knows zero about basketball but somehow got a list about basketball published.

Hes trying to apply APBR metrics to his work, hes having some mixed results because hes not really clear on how hes valuing peak vs longevity.

JayW_1023
09-30-2009, 03:01 PM
Because his game/talent/size is more of a centers than that of a PF's but then again he has Marion on here, though in Marions case hes always been a better player at the 4. Duncan is more or less the same at either spot, but even in his earlier days he was more of a center than D-Rob was. Duncan just didnt want to guard the bigger players all game so on defense he regularly checked PF. So defensively when your team really has no positions hes mostly been a PF, but offensively when he and D-Rob would work the high-low game, it was usually Duncan down low. So saying hes been a PF for most of the decade isnt very accurate, he has been LISTED as a PF his entire career, even last year when all Bonner did was chuck 3's and guard opposing PF's it was Duncan who was listed as a PF. Though some of that was due to them wanting Duncan to start in the All-Star game, it just gos to show, even in a year where we all know he was the Spurs center, he is still listed as a PF.

This is why Duncan should not be known as the best PF of all time, instead he should be regarded as the 5-6th best center of all time.


Where have you been the last few years?

Still you might as well put Gasol, who has arguably played even more center than Duncan in his career off that list. Just because Duncan 'plays' more like the prototype center...he has always played the PF position. Hence he is a PF. End of story.



It's nothing out of the ordinary that players switch positions for matchup purposes. Gasol is another seven-footer who would just be easily placed as a C, and he did make the list. So the fact that he made that list and Duncan didn't proves that Dwyer is pretty clueless in his assessments.

Chronz
09-30-2009, 03:12 PM
Still you might as well put Gasol, who has arguably played even more center than Duncan in his career off that list. Just because Duncan 'plays' more like the prototype center...he has always played the PF position. Hence he is a PF. End of story.



It's nothing out of the ordinary that players switch positions for matchup purposes. Gasol is another seven-footer who would just be easily placed as a C, and he did make the list. So the fact that he made that list and Duncan didn't proves that Dwyer is pretty clueless in his assessments.

Yea Pau is in the same boat I suppose, but his teams have generally had TRUE Centers alongside him, it wasnt until late in his Memphis career and when Bynum wasnt around that he was primarily a Center. I think if we were to review, we'd find that Pau has played more 4 than 5 this decade, you cannot say the same about Duncan. Nobody is saying its out of the ordinary, but it doesnt change the fact that your not playing the position, or that most of the defenders you face arent playing the position.

Duncan has always been listed as playing the PF position, but that doesnt make him a PF. Dwyer may be clueless, but its not because he doesnt consider Duncan a PF.

bbcmillionaire
09-30-2009, 03:17 PM
worst list ever
timmy is a pf, greatest of all time and yet this writer doesnt even acknowledge that? straight bull ish

SunsFanIam
09-30-2009, 03:19 PM
Amare hasnt proved anything that would make him top 10 in the decade yet.

And shawn marion or bosh has???

AlexTmz2
09-30-2009, 03:20 PM
Still you might as well put Gasol, who has arguably played even more center than Duncan in his career off that list. Just because Duncan 'plays' more like the prototype center...he has always played the PF position. Hence he is a PF. End of story.



It's nothing out of the ordinary that players switch positions for matchup purposes. Gasol is another seven-footer who would just be easily placed as a C, and he did make the list. So the fact that he made that list and Duncan didn't proves that Dwyer is pretty clueless in his assessments.

x1

crazygolucky
09-30-2009, 03:21 PM
ok yeah like everyone else said where is Duncan, and why is Marion listed as a PF.
i guess marion did play the 4 spot in phx... but in my mind he is a SF through and through, in fact, i consider him the epitome of a SF.
But come on how can you not list Duncan here. He's not a center...
although it is hard to discern between a C and PF. From my understanding the offense runs more through a PF, a C is more for rebounding and cleaning up. The PF is your finesse big guy, the one with the most talent, the one who posts up the best and can pass out of the post. A center will basically submit offensive responsiblility to the PF.

But I guess all in all it has to do with how tall you are.....

Chronz
09-30-2009, 03:22 PM
worst list ever
timmy is a pf, greatest of all time and yet this writer doesnt even acknowledge that? straight bull ish
LOL how many Tim Duncan games have you seen in your lifetime?

crazygolucky
09-30-2009, 03:23 PM
BTW amare i think has done more that bosh or jamison. Amare's actually been deep into the playoffs while the other two havent really gotten their teams that far. Of course, most of the credit for amare's success could be given to nash, and you have to wonder how good the suns would be if they had jamison or bosh instead of amare.

JayW_1023
09-30-2009, 03:24 PM
Yea Pau is in the same boat I suppose, but his teams have generally had TRUE Centers alongside him, it wasnt until late in his Memphis career and when Bynum wasnt around that he was primarily a Center. I think if we were to review, we'd find that Pau has played more 4 than 5 this decade, you cannot say the same about Duncan. Nobody is saying its out of the ordinary, but it doesnt change the fact that your not playing the position, or that most of the defenders you face arent playing the position.

Duncan has always been listed as playing the PF position, but that doesnt make him a PF. Dwyer may be clueless, but its not because he doesnt consider Duncan a PF.

So do you consider Pau Gasol a center too? After all, since Bynum got injured...I can bet he played more center than power forward. In your logic, you could completely interchange the SF and SG as well, since the wing get switched even more than the powerforward.

Not that I don't agree with a logic that divides players into point, wings and bigs...but in the logic of five specific positions of guards, forward and a center, Duncan should be classified for what he is listed as: a power forward.

Chronz
09-30-2009, 03:28 PM
ok yeah like everyone else said where is Duncan, and why is Marion listed as a PF.
i guess marion did play the 4 spot in phx... but in my mind he is a SF through and through, in fact, i consider him the epitome of a SF.
But come on how can you not list Duncan here. He's not a center...
although it is hard to discern between a C and PF. From my understanding the offense runs more through a PF, a C is more for rebounding and cleaning up. The PF is your finesse big guy, the one with the most talent, the one who posts up the best and can pass out of the post. A center will basically submit offensive responsiblility to the PF.

But I guess all in all it has to do with how tall you are.....
Positions are arbitrary in alot of cases, Duncan is one of those players.

Its hard to get a handle on who plays what when nobody has ever really laid down the ground rules on what makes you what. But Ive gotta say, Ive never in all my years of following the game ever heard someone describe a PF vs a C in those terms. The offense runs through whoever is capable of managing it, this isnt what I define as a positionary trait. PF's are typically more finesse than bangers, and while Duncan certainly has a great level of skill and finesse to his game, hes always (aside from maybe his rookie year) played more in the low post than his "centers". Rebounding plays a role, maybe in that essence hes their PF, but then again hes usually been his teams best rebounder and one of the best of our era, so by your definition wouldnt that make him a Center?

bbcmillionaire
09-30-2009, 03:29 PM
LOL how many Tim Duncan games have you seen in your lifetime?



just a few less then bulls games. Tim Duncan>all other pfs. Tim duncan MADE HIS TEAM INTO CHAMPIONS. david robinson was a beast but he wasn't anything without tim duncan. He made ginobli and parker who they are today. I mean they already had talent, but timmy presence made that talent shine. Their offense was simple, let timmy post up, kick the ball to ginobli for the 3 or find tony parker mid range. Thats why robert horry thrived there. Just replace tim duncan with shaq, and ginobli and parker for bryant. Just add tim duncan+shooters and you get a damn good franchise( not to mention one helluva coach)

AlexTmz2
09-30-2009, 03:36 PM
Tim Duncan is the best PF ever IMO. He's had to carry the load for his team in the C position since Robinson left the game. He even made it clear this season that McDyess would play the 5 spot. I mean timmy does play 4 and 5 but hes made and will allways be known for the PF position.

pebloemer
09-30-2009, 03:45 PM
lol, Marion a better PF than Webber? He's a SF and only played about 3-4 years as PF and that was on and off. Can't have him at 3 but Amar'e not there at all.
And yea, Duncan is tops in this list.

Marion is certainly a natural 3 IMO, but he played very good basketball at the 4 in Phoenix, which the author is likely basing his position on. Similarly that would be why Amare is considered a C. It would be nice if Duncan and Amare were in the PF list and Marion in the SF list though, I agree.

JordansBulls
09-30-2009, 03:52 PM
Jamison is pretty underrated....

I'd takin him over Brand, Sheed, Marion, and Pau, and maybe even Bosh... 6th is a good place for Jamison.

How is he underrated? What has he even done?

Chronz
09-30-2009, 03:56 PM
So do you consider Pau Gasol a center too? After all, since Bynum got injured...I can bet he played more center than power forward. In your logic, you could completely interchange the SF and SG as well, since the wing get switched even more than the powerforward.
OK lets delve into this, for simplification lets just start with the 02-03 Season (Pau's 2nd year into the 00's) since its the year that gave birth to 82G's.com

In 03 Gasol played primarily alongside Lorenzen Wright, Stro, and quite abit alongside Gooden. If you agree that Stro and Gooden are for sure PF's, then Gasol spent roughly half of his playing time at the 5, and the other half at the 4 with Lorenzen.

In 04 the team added Big Jake which meant less time at the 5, by the same standards (in terms of % of minutes played) Gasol spent 32% of the teams minutes at the 4 and 29% at the 5. So hes still been more of a PF than a C at this point.

In 05 the splits were 24% vs 21%, 45% VS 33% in 06

Now in 07 is where things really start to add up, he played 100% of his PT at the 5 and continued doing so even after the rape of Memphis to LA. He played the 4 about a quarter of his overall playing time with the Lakers. So in the past 3 years hes been primarily a 5 but mostly a PF in the 4 years prior to that.

All in all, you would be right in your assessment of Pau belonging to the list of Centers based on his playing time with his frontcourt mates.


Not that I don't agree with a logic that divides players into point, wings and bigs...but in the logic of five specific positions of guards, forward and a center, Duncan should be classified for what he is listed as: a power forward.
Tell me this article wouldnt be so much easier if people just adopted the Points/Swings/Bigs idea. In the end this is completely meaningless, positions are often arbitrary and Pau/Duncan demonstrate that, where you want to list them is fine, I just get a irked when people start dissing others because of this seemingly important issue. Does it really matter if hes a PF, why does it mean so much, its not like its a diss if hes not listed as PF.

Basically hes not a moron for not listing Duncan as PF, but hes a moron for not doing the same for Pau. If your going to base players on what they are listed as, both Duncan and Pau should be here, if your going to base it on what position they are actually playing then both should be on the Centers list.

Chronz
09-30-2009, 03:57 PM
LOL how many Tim Duncan games have you seen in your lifetime?



just a few less then bulls games. Tim Duncan>all other pfs. Tim duncan MADE HIS TEAM INTO CHAMPIONS. david robinson was a beast but he wasn't anything without tim duncan. He made ginobli and parker who they are today. I mean they already had talent, but timmy presence made that talent shine. Their offense was simple, let timmy post up, kick the ball to ginobli for the 3 or find tony parker mid range. Thats why robert horry thrived there. Just replace tim duncan with shaq, and ginobli and parker for bryant. Just add tim duncan+shooters and you get a damn good franchise( not to mention one helluva coach)
NVM go lupe fiasco

bbcmillionaire
09-30-2009, 04:03 PM
NVM go lupe fiasco

:clap::clap::clap:

JordansBulls
09-30-2009, 04:03 PM
Amare hasnt proved anything that would make him top 10 in the decade yet.

Really???

Amare in the 2005 playoffs against Duncan in the WCF put these numbers up
41
37
34
31
42

He averaged 37 ppg in that series.

The only other current players that have averaged that much in a playoff series are Lebron (against Orlando last year), and Shaq against Indiana in 2000


Here are Amare's numbers for his career in the season and playoffs.

Amare's career playoffs thus far

Games 36 / 25.1 ppg / 10.4 rpg / 1.9 bpg / 1.1 spg / 52% FG / PER 25.0

For the Season here are the numbers for:
Amare
21.1 ppg / 8.9 rpg / 1.5 bpg / 0.9 spg / 54% FG / PER 22.6

AlexTmz2
09-30-2009, 04:07 PM
Where would you guys list Timmy in the C category??

MackSnackWrap
09-30-2009, 04:13 PM
Absolutely horrible list. Rasheed Wallace ahead of Chris Webber and Chris Bosh?

Shawn Marion 4th (dude was a SF, wtf?)

Elton Brand 5th? The guy made the playoffs once in 10 years.

Antawn Jamison 6th?


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats what im saying why are brand and jamison and marion in the fukin list so high!

lorenz00
09-30-2009, 04:37 PM
lol this guy is probably crazy.. gasol just won 1 ring with i say the best player on the planet AKA Kobe bryant ranked gasol number 3? Lol

Tim duncan should go number 1 . rasheed wallace a head of cb4, chris webber Wow

TheFuture6
09-30-2009, 04:38 PM
I love the bickering over what position players play.

lorenz00
09-30-2009, 04:38 PM
Where would you guys list Timmy in the C category??

number 1 baby

SteveNash
09-30-2009, 04:45 PM
Proper list:

10. Pau Gasol
9. Chris Bosh
8. Carlos Boozer
7. Karl Malone
6. Chris Webber
5. Rasheed Wallace
4. Elton Brand
3. Kevin Garnett
2. Dirk Nowitzki
1. Tim Duncan

bigsams50
09-30-2009, 04:58 PM
^agree except i'd switch kg and dirk

SeoulBeatz
09-30-2009, 05:03 PM
Really???

Amare in the 2005 playoffs against Duncan in the WCF put these numbers up
41
37
34
31
42

He averaged 37 ppg in that series.

The only other current players that have averaged that much in a playoff series are Lebron (against Orlando last year), and Shaq against Indiana in 2000


Here are Amare's numbers for his career in the season and playoffs.

Amare's career playoffs thus far

Games 36 / 25.1 ppg / 10.4 rpg / 1.9 bpg / 1.1 spg / 52% FG / PER 25.0

For the Season here are the numbers for:
Amare
21.1 ppg / 8.9 rpg / 1.5 bpg / 0.9 spg / 54% FG / PER 22.6


This ENTIRE FORUM sleeps on Amare.

he is the best offensive PF in the NBA when healthy IMO. (say what u want about his defense, but if he still gets u 1.7 blocks and a steal like the stats say u gotta stop *****in)

He has amazing athleticism.
amazing coordination and ballhandling (the dude moves like a guard, cept he's 6'11")
He has range out to 20 feet.
He has great post moves, cept u never see them because he'll just dunk on you instead.

just wish he wouldnt get injured so much so people could realize.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
09-30-2009, 05:19 PM
EPIC FAIL!!!

No duncan and brand, jamiso and marion don't belong to that list!

TOTALLY ********!!!

AIMelo=KillaDUO
09-30-2009, 05:34 PM
Amare hasnt proved anything that would make him top 10 in the decade yet.

Lol... but Bosh has, and so has Elton Brand huh? :laugh: Brand has played 1 good season in his career. and Bosh is on the bum squad. i can't even name toronto's starters.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
09-30-2009, 05:38 PM
Thanx JB for dissin this fool for me.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
09-30-2009, 05:39 PM
This ENTIRE FORUM sleeps on Amare.

he is the best offensive PF in the NBA when healthy IMO. (say what u want about his defense, but if he still gets u 1.7 blocks and a steal like the stats say u gotta stop *****in)

He has amazing athleticism.
amazing coordination and ballhandling (the dude moves like a guard, cept he's 6'11")
He has range out to 20 feet.
He has great post moves, cept u never see them because he'll just dunk on you instead.

just wish he wouldnt get injured so much so people could realize.

Thank u! :clap:

cmellofan15
09-30-2009, 06:13 PM
really, Chris Bosh?

JNA17
09-30-2009, 06:15 PM
:pity:

Hawkeye15
09-30-2009, 07:14 PM
Really???

Amare in the 2005 playoffs against Duncan in the WCF put these numbers up
41
37
34
31
42

He averaged 37 ppg in that series.

The only other current players that have averaged that much in a playoff series are Lebron (against Orlando last year), and Shaq against Indiana in 2000


Here are Amare's numbers for his career in the season and playoffs.

Amare's career playoffs thus far

Games 36 / 25.1 ppg / 10.4 rpg / 1.9 bpg / 1.1 spg / 52% FG / PER 25.0

For the Season here are the numbers for:
Amare
21.1 ppg / 8.9 rpg / 1.5 bpg / 0.9 spg / 54% FG / PER 22.6

do me a favor, and show the stats for the players that Amare went up against in those games. The problem with Amare is, he will score 33/13, and then give up 35/14. What good is that??

Fayzon10
09-30-2009, 07:24 PM
because they both only played for half of the past decade and didnt produce as much because they were on the decline.

jesus people. Then they should not even be on the list, just the sight of Antawn Jameson in front of Malone and Webber is silly no matter when they played..

heattiltheend94
09-30-2009, 07:40 PM
Chris Webber is better than Sheed

ThuglifeJ
09-30-2009, 07:46 PM
ya this list sucks.

-duh, they are considering Duncan a Center which is dumb. Tim is the best PF of the last decade no argument.
-why they consider Marion a PF more than a SF means they don't watch basketball much, and he s houldnt even be that high.
-why Bosh, Jamison, Marion are even getting this much recognition.
-AMARE STOUDEMIRE is easily one of the most talented PFs of this last decade. So athletic and talented theres no way he shouuldnt be on this list. He NEEDS to be on this list and if they consider him a Center, wow.

BkOriginalOne
09-30-2009, 07:53 PM
Before I clicked the link, I knew the top 3 had to be
1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Dirk

This is an outrage upon outrages. In the last 10 years, Timmy has spent more time at the 4 than the 5.

Lakersfan2483
09-30-2009, 08:30 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-top-10-power-forwards-of-the-last-decade;_ylt=AuEH4YMIX8ZWBm1jtPqhYf.8vLYF?urn=nba,1 93073


10. Karl Malone

Malone only played until 2004, but the (arguable, if Bob Pettit's in the room) greatest power forward ever was pretty damn potent when he did suit up. Averaged in the low 20s per game, about eight and a half boards, four assists, and provided a staunch, ornery, defensive effort.

The Mailman could have easily played on after 2003-04, when he registered a 17.8 PER at age 40 while working in a new offense with the Lakers for the first time in nearly 20 years. But after a campaign that saw him miss 40 games (after missing 10, mostly by suspension, combined games in the 18 seasons previous), a frustrated Malone moved on. To shooting things.


9. Chris Bosh(notes)
This spindly scorer was an immediate hit in Toronto, showcasing a veteran's knack for putting the ball in the hole almost right away. Though Vince Carter(notes) complained that the Raptors could have used a 2003 lottery pick in a trade to secure veteran talent, Raptor fans knew what they had.

19.6 points and nine rebounds a game so far, and he just turned 25 last March.


8. Chris Webber(notes)

Remember, this list isn't a ranking of all-time power forwards, just the ones that played from 1999-00 until last season. And as great as Webber was at his peak, early in the decade, he was more or less done by late 2005-06; he missed most of 2003-04, and was one of the league's worst defenders from 2004 until his final sprint with the Warriors in 2007-08.

At that peak, though, he was masterful. An all-around terror who worked the low and high post to perfection, setting screens, finding cutters, scoring with the hook or jumper ... he was fantastic.


7. Rasheed Wallace(notes)
Wallace looked like a washout last season, and he hasn't really ventured into the post since the first George W. Bush administration, but his sound shooting and defensive aptitude made him a stalwart contributor on several great Trail Blazer and Pistons teams.

He also put those teams in peril with selfish play (under the guise of acting selfless), repeated technical fouls, and a churlish attitude that left him at odds with teammate after teammate in Portland. But you can't deny his on-court accomplishments. Unfortunately.


6. Antawn Jamison(notes)
Jamison gets a lot of stick for the things he doesn't do — move bodies in the paint, grab ferocious rebounds, dominate defensively — but he's so damn good at what he does do that you can't deny him a significant placement on this list.

He can score. About 20 a night. Eight rebounds, rarely turns it over. Very rarely — 1.7 turnovers per game on his career, in almost 37 minutes a contest. And he works defensively, while trying to find the open man. There's a reason the similarly-scoring Zach Randolph(notes) didn't make the top 10, while Jamison is all the way up at number six, and it has to do with the lack of team-killing ideals in areas outside of putting the ball in the hole.

And unlike Wallace and Malone, Jamison is still going strong. And unlike Bosh, he put in a few years of going strong before Chris even made it to the NBA.


5. Elton Brand(notes)

We're fully aware that Brand has missed nearly two full seasons recently, and that he may never return to the form that saw him mentioned as an MVP candidate in 2005-06, but his peaks were just so good that we couldn't drop him any lower.

Even in the face of constant double-teaming while stuck on lousy Bulls or Clippers teams, Brand has still averaged 20 and 10 on his career, with a combined three blocks/steals, and 2.6 assists. And yet, he's unfairly maligned as if it were his fault he tore his Achilles, hired Tim Floyd, or drafted


4. Shawn Marion(notes)
It's an oft-repeated cliché, but it remains the truth — Shawn Marion rarely, very rarely, has a play called for him.

And yet, in a career that started the season this list began, he's averaged almost 18 points per game. It doesn't end there, as he's grabbed about 10 rebounds, averaged a combined 3.1 blocks/steals, dished two assists, and turned the ball over a miniscule 1.6 times a contest. Alongside fantastic defense, and an ability to spread the floor that helps a team and doesn't always show up in newspaper box scores.


3. Pau Gasol(notes)

This isn't a case of someone just coming into his own, Gasol's per-minute, pace-adjusted stats from last season were about what he was coming through with back in 2004-05. Sure, his defense has markedly improved, to the point of being nearly dominant in the playoffs last spring, but this man has been a beast for years. Great to see the rest of the world catch up.

18.8 points, 8.7 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 2.2 combined blocks/steals, in 35.7 minutes per game. And he's only 28. The guy's presence in your high or low post makes your offense much, much better, even if he isn't scoring or registering an assist. That counts.


2. Dirk Nowitzki(notes)
It would be a pity if Nowitzki ended his career as undervalued, overall, because it's hard to find a greater decade of power forward work in the annals of NBA history.

23.6 points on about 48 percent shooting on the decade, with 8.9 rebounds, a steal, a block, and a shockingly low amount of turnovers. Only about eight and a half percent of the possessions that Nowitzki has used up over the course of the decade have ended in turnovers, a sterling number.


1. Kevin Garnett(notes)
Somehow, Dirk is topped. By a player who still doesn't seem to get the credit he deserves.

Despite the hype, the yelling, the commercials, the fawning on-air tributes from Bill Russell, and (a second time, just to be sure) all the yelling. I still don't think people appreciate how great Kevin Garnett has been, over these years, especially defensively.

That's OK, though. Because, despite all the yelling (have you heard the yelling?), I don't think KG cares much. I don't think he gives a toss where he's ranked, even if he is ranked as the greatest power forward of the last decade.

Terrible list, here is the list revised. Why are the yahoo sports writers listing so many guys out of position and leaving others off? (See the top 10 shooting guards list)

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Chris Webber
5. Pau Gasol
6. Amare Stoudemire
7. Chris Bosh
8. Elton Brand
9. Rasheed Wallace
10. Antawn Jamison

MrFastBreak
09-30-2009, 08:37 PM
Jamison is pretty underrated....

I'd takin him over Brand, Sheed, Marion, and Pau, and maybe even Bosh... 6th is a good place for Jamison.

:nod:

Hawkeye15
09-30-2009, 08:37 PM
can't argue with that list Lakersfan

JordansBulls
09-30-2009, 08:49 PM
Proper list:

10. Pau Gasol
9. Chris Bosh
8. Carlos Boozer
7. Karl Malone
6. Chris Webber
5. Rasheed Wallace
4. Elton Brand
3. Kevin Garnett
2. Dirk Nowitzki
1. Tim Duncan

How in the world is Elton Brand ahead of Gasol and Bosh?

knickerbockerny
09-30-2009, 09:07 PM
This list is a joke!

Spurred1
09-30-2009, 09:36 PM
Lakersfan probably has the best list. Of course, we can argue about that too...

mrblisterdundee
09-30-2009, 10:12 PM
Why the hell does Yahoo even try?

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Rasheed Wallace
5. Pau Gasol
6. Chris Webber
7. Elton Brand
8. Chris Bosh
9. Karl Malone (only because he didn't play most of the decade)
10. Antawn Jamison

**** Carlos Boozer. He's an ******* who chokes in the playoffs and then complains about how much money he deserves.

Chronz
09-30-2009, 10:16 PM
Why the hell does Yahoo even try?

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Rasheed Wallace
5. Pau Gasol
6. Chris Webber
7. Elton Brand
8. Chris Bosh
9. Karl Malone (only because he didn't play most of the decade)
10. Antawn Jamison

**** Carlos Boozer. He's an ******* who chokes in the playoffs and then complains about how much money he deserves.

Why Karl Malone?

bagwell368
09-30-2009, 10:35 PM
Terrible list, here is the list revised. Why are the yahoo sports writers listing so many guys out of position and leaving others off? (See the top 10 shooting guards list)

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Chris Webber
5. Pau Gasol
6. Amare Stoudemire
7. Chris Bosh
8. Elton Brand
9. Rasheed Wallace
10. Antawn Jamison

Pretty good. I would probably put Sheed over Brand, and wait a few years and see if Bosh gets by Webber.

Thank you for not listing aged elbow throwing guys on here.

Toenail Clipper
09-30-2009, 10:39 PM
Absolutely horrible list. Rasheed Wallace ahead of Chris Webber and Chris Bosh?

Shawn Marion 4th (dude was a SF, wtf?)

Elton Brand 5th? The guy made the playoffs once in 10 years.

Antawn Jamison 6th?


WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elton Brand can efficiently score 20 a game and grab 10 rebounds.
Don't be hatin!

mrblisterdundee
09-30-2009, 11:24 PM
Why Karl Malone?

He's the best power forward ever. The fact that he did so well all the way up to 40 earns him a spot on the list.

IversonIsKrazy
09-30-2009, 11:37 PM
marion n sheed were overrated in this, while bosh was underrated, and i guess this ****** forgot that DUncan plays PF not C.

Hawkeye15
09-30-2009, 11:43 PM
He's the best power forward ever. The fact that he did so well all the way up to 40 earns him a spot on the list.

Duncan is better, and I may even prefer Barkley.

SteveNash
09-30-2009, 11:46 PM
How in the world is Elton Brand ahead of Gasol and Bosh?

He's scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, blocked more shots, posted a higher PER and posted a higher WS total.

Hawkeye15
09-30-2009, 11:47 PM
and basically, that is similar to saying that Parish was a top center, due to him playing like 22 years. While the statistical comparison doesn't match exactly, the fact is, Duncan has a better resume, and I would almost prefer Barkley. Even McHale or Worthy would have been better, their numbers on teams where they were #1 would have been nasty.
Love Malone, I just think there are a few better

JordansBulls
09-30-2009, 11:53 PM
He's scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, blocked more shots, posted a higher PER and posted a higher WS total.

Maybe if you base everything on his 2005-2006 season.

PLAYERS FAN
10-01-2009, 12:00 AM
is this a joke?

Chronz
10-01-2009, 12:41 PM
He's the best power forward ever. The fact that he did so well all the way up to 40 earns him a spot on the list.

Why would it matter if hes the best PF ever when he wasnt near that form in this decade?

Kings Faithful
10-01-2009, 01:24 PM
Terrible list, here is the list revised. Why are the yahoo sports writers listing so many guys out of position and leaving others off? (See the top 10 shooting guards list)

1. Tim Duncan
2. Kevin Garnett
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Chris Webber
5. Pau Gasol
6. Amare Stoudemire
7. Chris Bosh
8. Elton Brand
9. Rasheed Wallace
10. Antawn Jamison

Good list.

SteveNash
10-01-2009, 03:27 PM
Maybe if you base everything on his 2005-2006 season.

Taking the entire decade into account...

You know Top 10 PF of the last decade.

PrettyBoyJ
10-01-2009, 03:40 PM
what Happen to duncan and Amare..