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fairandbalanced
09-21-2009, 02:27 PM
What do you guys think? He dominated the European championship plus his contribution to the Lakers championship.

RaiderLakersA's
09-21-2009, 02:33 PM
It's too soon for this discussion.

IRUAM #21
09-21-2009, 02:33 PM
Ask Hellcrooner.

ragee
09-21-2009, 02:34 PM
Why would he be a hall of famer? What has he done? There are a lot of player who have done what has accomplished... He is just the second option of last year's NBA champions... That's it... He is a great second option but he is not even in the top ten players in the league...

Hellcrooner
09-21-2009, 02:37 PM
Sinc it is the BASKETBALL hl of fame and not the NBA hall of fame and he has lead spain to euro gold world championship gold olympic silver and some other medals plus spanish league and cup with barcelona and he ALSO is an nba all star and an NBA CHAMPION being the second most important player in the team.

Yes he IS.

Like it or not dudes.

KnicksorBust
09-21-2009, 02:37 PM
Needs to repeat what he did last year for the next 5 seasons. Then we'll talk.

Hellcrooner
09-21-2009, 02:37 PM
remeber there are peope like Antonio diaz miguel or dalipaglic or igor belanov in the HOf and they NEVER PLAYED a single minute in tha nba

GAWDtv
09-21-2009, 02:40 PM
Is there a International Basketball Hall of fame? Fiba Hall of fame?? Maybe there but Pau has a few years (like 5 years after retirement) before he will surely be enshrined...

Hellcrooner
09-21-2009, 02:40 PM
take the word of an AMERICAN pro writer if you dont like mine

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-44-74/Pau-Gasol--Worldbeater.html

Hellcrooner
09-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Is there a International Basketball Hall of fame? Fiba Hall of fame?? Maybe there but Pau has a few years (like 5 years after retirement) before he will surely be enshrined...


There is a Fiba Hal of fame too Oscar Robertson and Bill russell were inducted this year because they won gold in an olympics (rome 60 i think)

49ERS LEGACY530
09-21-2009, 02:44 PM
No even close

ragee
09-21-2009, 02:45 PM
and he ALSO is an nba all star and an NBA CHAMPION being the second most important player in the team.

A lot of player over the years became all stars but does not deserve to be in the hall of fame... Being the second best on a championship team is not really an indicator of being a hall of famer... Unless you have done it maybe at least 4 times... The Lakers have one the title last year and I do think that they are still one of the NBA's elite but a lot of teams has done... So you still can't compare Pau to hall of famers such as Pippen, Drexler etc... Win a couple more and then people can talk...

MJ-BULLS
09-21-2009, 02:47 PM
no like already said there have been other players to do what he has done in his career up to now and most of them are not in the the hall

meltbakins
09-21-2009, 02:47 PM
i voted no for now but if he keeps playing like he has the last few years he might make it

-Kobe24-TJ19-
09-21-2009, 02:50 PM
Yes:clap::clap:

GREATNESS ONE
09-21-2009, 02:58 PM
Back to Back is Automatic entry

Hellcrooner
09-21-2009, 02:59 PM
kc jones

please tell me what did he do.


win soem rings with the celtics as a 7th man in the rotation?


End discussion.


and as i said FIBA counts for hall of fame bcase its BASKETBALLS not NBAS hall of fame.


so like it or not he IS already a lock.

ragee
09-21-2009, 03:02 PM
Back to Back is Automatic entry

back to back should be an automatic consideration... Get at least 3 rings and being non-american will it official...

SteveNash
09-21-2009, 03:05 PM
No, but he'll make it due to his race.

KnicksorBust
09-21-2009, 03:05 PM
kc jones

please tell me what did he do.


win soem rings with the celtics as a 7th man in the rotation?


End discussion.


and as i said FIBA counts for hall of fame bcase its BASKETBALLS not NBAS hall of fame.


so like it or not he IS already a lock.

Another argument that is pointless. Okay Phil Rizzuto is in the hall so every baseball player better than him should get in? They'd need to triple the size of the building every 10 years. Pau has not accomplished enough in the NBA to warrant the HoF yet. One ring, and a couple of 18-8 seasons is not impressive over the course of history. Just because you found one guy who snuck into the "Hall of Very Good" doesn't make Gasol more valid.

Missing56&33
09-21-2009, 03:06 PM
He need to stay the player that he is now for the next 5years then he will be Hall bound. Another title will greatly help his cause.

ragee
09-21-2009, 03:08 PM
No, but he'll make it due to his race.

Dude, not race but nationality... But don't act bitter coz I am sure Nash and Dirk will get the same treatment...

Clutch6
09-21-2009, 03:10 PM
no

SteveNash
09-21-2009, 03:12 PM
Dude, not race but nationality... But don't act bitter coz I am sure Nash and Dirk will get the same treatment...

Nash is an automatic lock due to his 2 MVPs. Dirk is an almost automatic lock because of his 1 MVP, and his play style changing the game.

azkarraga
09-21-2009, 03:17 PM
Not yet, but he will. If injuries respect him, there's no doubt he'll make it.

JordansBulls
09-21-2009, 03:19 PM
He an Ginobili have about the same chance. Gasol's gold medal in 2006 and beating the US put him on the map.

RaptorizedKevin
09-21-2009, 04:30 PM
pau gasol isnt mazing this is a messed up thread omg. people are starting stupid stuff.. like i can understand if yu say dirk novitiski? but pau? no way. he is just a very solid and talented player that when is teamed up with a superstar like kobe, will flourish. other than that hes definatly not a hall of fammer. gosh what a dumb quesiton.

NYtilIdie
09-21-2009, 04:54 PM
No T-Mac has had a better career then Gasol only Gasol has a ring for being the #2 option on a championship team.

Since T-Mac isn't considered a HOF neither is Gasol.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-21-2009, 04:55 PM
I don't know.

29$JerZ
09-21-2009, 04:56 PM
Dirk doesn't have a ring and will make the HoF before Pau as of now.

Pau would need to maintain his stats for about the next 4 years and another championship.

smith&wesson
09-21-2009, 04:56 PM
Sinc it is the BASKETBALL hl of fame and not the NBA hall of fame and he has lead spain to euro gold world championship gold olympic silver and some other medals plus spanish league and cup with barcelona and he ALSO is an nba all star and an NBA CHAMPION being the second most important player in the team.

Yes he IS.

Like it or not dudes.


good points... i agree.

you have to give respect where its due. he has acomplished alot basketball wise. and he still has some good years ahead of him.

smith&wesson
09-21-2009, 04:59 PM
Another argument that is pointless. Okay Phil Rizzuto is in the hall so every baseball player better than him should get in? They'd need to triple the size of the building every 10 years. Pau has not accomplished enough in the NBA to warrant the HoF yet. One ring, and a couple of 18-8 seasons is not impressive over the course of history. Just because you found one guy who snuck into the "Hall of Very Good" doesn't make Gasol more valid.

gasol won a ring being the 2nd best on his team. he won a gold medal being the best player on his team. he is an all star

he isnt retired and can easily win another ring with kobe, why is it soo hard to beleive that he will be inducted in the hof oneday ??

Hawkeye15
09-21-2009, 05:05 PM
probably, he is an great international player, and has an all star game and a ring on his resume. He will get in, and rightfully so

Chronz
09-21-2009, 05:06 PM
Until the NBA starts its own HOF this wont ever be a relevant question, have you guys ever even been the HOF? Its like amateur hour from what Ive heard

smith&wesson
09-21-2009, 05:11 PM
No T-Mac has had a better career then Gasol only Gasol has a ring for being the #2 option on a championship team.

Since T-Mac isn't considered a HOF neither is Gasol.

WRONG, how has T-mac had a better career ? has he won any gold medals in the olympics ? NOPE!! has he won any rings ? NOPE !!

sure he is naturally more talented and a better all around player but unfortunatly the hof doesnt look at that, they look at acomplishments and what the player has acheive in his career. Unfortunalty T-mac hasnt acomplished much more then seven all star aperances. what else has he done ??

boy he can ride that rockets bench pretty nicely for the last 3 seasons... lets induct him.

pfffftttt.

THE_FLASH_21
09-21-2009, 05:27 PM
LOL OMFG.. Gasol is No H.O.F.... Man if he makes wow... theirs millions that should be there that arnt.. What the hell has he done? how many MVP's? How many scoring titles? How many rebound titles? How many blocking or Def player of the year awards has he got? how many first team awards does he have? Please shut this thread down. I didn't even vote cuz their isn't one for ur ****en High!!!

THE_FLASH_21
09-21-2009, 05:29 PM
WRONG, how has T-mac had a better career ? has he won any gold medals in the olympics ? NOPE!! has he won any rings ? NOPE !!

sure he is naturally more talented and a better all around player but unfortunatly the hof doesnt look at that, they look at acomplishments and what the player has acheive in his career. Unfortunalty T-mac hasnt acomplished much more then seven all star aperances. what else has he done ??

boy he can ride that rockets bench pretty nicely for the last 3 seasons... lets induct him.

pfffftttt.

If Gasol gets in Ill jump off a building.. That's a slap on the face to all true players deserving.... So what... Horry did more then Gasol will ever in his NBA career.. Is gonna be? No!! By number Gasol is not a H.O.F!!

Zefflin
09-21-2009, 05:30 PM
You guys are racist that are saying no, it's because he's spanish isn't it??

bigsams50
09-21-2009, 05:37 PM
he'll make it only because of his foreign play, not his play in the nba

KobeIs
09-21-2009, 05:40 PM
im gonna have to say no, maybe eventually but at the moment, he isn't.

stawka
09-21-2009, 05:54 PM
Hellcrooner, is that you?!

bostncelts34
09-21-2009, 05:57 PM
nope

jakesmail123
09-21-2009, 06:03 PM
god NO

heattiltheend94
09-21-2009, 06:15 PM
if he beomces a hall of famer then they lowered their standards

Double_R
09-21-2009, 06:26 PM
Is this a joke?

Double_R
09-21-2009, 06:26 PM
13 people said yes, hahahhahhahahahahhahhahhahahhahhhahahhahahah.....h ahhahhahaha

Double_R
09-21-2009, 06:32 PM
there should be an extra choice, that says Yes, but I am a Laker fan or from Spain.

I don't care what ESPN says, if he goes into the HOF, they need to change the name to Hall of good, but not great

vash9
09-21-2009, 06:33 PM
Just give every Lakers player a hall of fame spot right?..

yes, even Luke Walton, this early in his career. yes.

Ebbs
09-21-2009, 06:44 PM
not a chance

smith&wesson
09-21-2009, 06:45 PM
If Gasol gets in Ill jump off a building.. That's a slap on the face to all true players deserving.... So what... Horry did more then Gasol will ever in his NBA career.. Is gonna be? No!! By number Gasol is not a H.O.F!!

you do realize that gasol won MVP on the spain national team when they won the fiba world champinships right ??

also gasol was the 2nd best player on a championship team.

horry ?? i dont even think he was ever the 4th best player on any of his championship teams, and how is his skillset comparable to gasols ? who would you rather have on your team ?
prime horry or prime gasol, its not even comparable.

ko8e24
09-21-2009, 06:46 PM
no

mikantsass
09-21-2009, 06:49 PM
What do you guys think? He dominated the European championship plus his contribution to the Lakers championship.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa Is this guy serious??????????

Zefflin
09-21-2009, 07:04 PM
To be rational if his career ended tomorrow he wouldn't make it...add in a ring or two more being the 2nd best on the team...without a doubt he makes it.

fairandbalanced
09-21-2009, 07:07 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa Is this guy serious??????????

imma let you finish, but Pau Gasol is one of the greatest European players of all time.

Hellcrooner
09-21-2009, 07:09 PM
is no use arguing with racists.

Toenail Clipper
09-21-2009, 07:13 PM
Elton Brand is better.
Besides, if Elton Brand went to the Lakers and won championships would he be considered a Hall of Famer?

PBG
09-21-2009, 07:25 PM
i cant believe people honestly said yes. :confused: pau gasol!?

mikantsass
09-21-2009, 07:28 PM
imma let you finish, but Pau Gasol is one of the greatest European players of all time.

What puts him in the hall with people like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Wilt, DR J, Kareem, Maravich, Olajuwon, Russel, Cousy, Monroe etc?

What has Gasol done? Scoring titles? MVP? Finals MVP? Defensive POY? ROY? Rebound crown? Blocks crown? All-NBA teams? all-defense teams? All-star appearences? All rookie team? All star MVP?

Please, give me a break.

Hawkeye15
09-21-2009, 07:31 PM
Until the NBA starts its own HOF this wont ever be a relevant question, have you guys ever even been the HOF? Its like amateur hour from what Ive heard

I have. Anyone can get in, seriously. If you have international success, and are a 18/8 player with a ring and an all star appearance, you are in for sure

Hawkeye15
09-21-2009, 07:34 PM
people here are seriously forgetting his international and world/olympic games experience and success, as well as his NBA success. While I agree, if you base it soley on his NBA accomplishments, he should not make it, the HOF will take into account his international career as well, and remember, it is easier to make the basketball HOF vs baseball for instance.

AllTheWay
09-21-2009, 07:35 PM
What puts him in the hall with people like Jordan, Magic, Bird, Wilt, DR J, Kareem, Maravich, Olajuwon, Russel, Cousy, Monroe etc?

What has Gasol done? Scoring titles? MVP? Finals MVP? Defensive POY? ROY? Rebound crown? Blocks crown? All-NBA teams? all-defense teams? All-star appearences? All rookie team? All star MVP?

Please, give me a break.

2- time All-Star
2001-02 Rookie of the Year
2001-02 All- Rookie First Team
2008-09 All-NBA Third Team
Career averages of 19 and 9.
NBA Championship

Those alone would not get him into the BASKETBALL hall of fame, but those along with his international accomplishments (Gold Medal, Spanish championships) get him into the BASKETBALL hall of fame.

One more time, for you not so smart people.

BASKETBALL hall of fame. Not NBA, BASKETBALL.

:)

mikantsass
09-21-2009, 07:49 PM
2- time All-Star
2001-02 Rookie of the Year
2001-02 All- Rookie First Team
2008-09 All-NBA Third Team
Career averages of 19 and 9.
NBA Championship

Those alone would not get him into the BASKETBALL hall of fame, but those along with his international accomplishments (Gold Medal, Spanish championships) get him into the BASKETBALL hall of fame.

One more time, for you not so smart people.

BASKETBALL hall of fame. Not NBA, BASKETBALL.

:)

Even if it is the BASKETBALL hall of fame, he still does not belong. The llama played in an awful spanish league. The competition does not compare to the NBA. And yes he contributed to Spains lonely 1 medal in international competition. If you want to go down that route, look at the Serbian team that has 3 of the last 5 FIBA championships. I dont hear anyone making a case for Nenad Kristic.

On top of that he does not have the NBA accolades to get elected. 2 All stars? Third team all nba? I will admit that the ROY is impressive, definately his best award.

MackSnackWrap
09-21-2009, 07:50 PM
As of now hell nooooo, maybe in the future

Barack
09-21-2009, 08:07 PM
This is a quick comparison, should be surprising

Player A:
15 NBA Seasons
0 finals appearance
0 championships

Career- 20.7ppg 9.8rpg 4.2apg 1.4 spg 1.4bpg

Best statistical season- 27.1ppg 11.1 rpg 4.2apg 1.3spg 1.7bpg



Player B:
16 NBA seasons
1 finals appearance
0 championships
1 MVP

Career- 22.1ppg 11.7rpg 3.9apg 1.5spg 0.8bpg

Best statistical season- 28.3ppg 11.9rpg 3.2apg 1.3spg 1.3bpg


Player C: (Gasol)
8 NBA Seasons
2 finals appearance
1 championships

Career- 18.8ppg 8.7rpg 3.2apg 0.5 spg 1.7bpg

Best statistical season- 20.8ppg 9.8 rpg 3.4apg 0.5spg 2.1bpg

MrFastBreak
09-21-2009, 08:13 PM
I voted no. But If he does what he did the past couple years for the rest of his career then it's a possibility he will become a HOFer. I'll never count POW out!

Bruno
09-21-2009, 08:33 PM
Not yet, he needs a few more years of good stats and contributions to a championship team. He's getting there; if he retired today, no.

JordansBulls
09-21-2009, 08:37 PM
With Gasol's resume over seas, specifically in the Olympics, I think he's pretty much guaranteed in if he continues to play at the level he's playing at right now.

Here are some of his accolades:
NBA Champion
Rookie of the year (2002)
2-time All-Star
Silver Medal Summer Olympics(2008)
Silver Medal Euro Championship (2007)
Gold Medal FIBA (2006)
Silver Medal Euro Championship (2003)
Bronze Medal Euro Championship (2001)
Gold Medal in Under 19 FIBA and under 18 (98 & 99)
Spanish League Champion (2001)
Copa del Rey Spanish Cup Champion (2001)
Spanish League Finals MVP (2001)
MVP in Copa del Rey (2001)

tonystarks90292
09-21-2009, 08:52 PM
Ummm no.

AllTheWay
09-21-2009, 08:58 PM
Even if it is the BASKETBALL hall of fame, he still does not belong. The llama played in an awful spanish league. The competition does not compare to the NBA. And yes he contributed to Spains lonely 1 medal in international competition. If you want to go down that route, look at the Serbian team that has 3 of the last 5 FIBA championships. I dont hear anyone making a case for Nenad Kristic.

On top of that he does not have the NBA accolades to get elected. 2 All stars? Third team all nba? I will admit that the ROY is impressive, definately his best award.

We are talking olympics mostly here. One measly gold medal? :rolleyes:

Look at JordansBulls post.

Do you know basketball, or what?

SteveNash
09-21-2009, 09:42 PM
This is a quick comparison, should be surprising

Player A:
15 NBA Seasons
0 finals appearance
0 championships

Career- 20.7ppg 9.8rpg 4.2apg 1.4 spg 1.4bpg

Best statistical season- 27.1ppg 11.1 rpg 4.2apg 1.3spg 1.7bpg



Player B:
16 NBA seasons
1 finals appearance
0 championships
1 MVP

Career- 22.1ppg 11.7rpg 3.9apg 1.5spg 0.8bpg

Best statistical season- 28.3ppg 11.9rpg 3.2apg 1.3spg 1.3bpg


Player C: (Gasol)
8 NBA Seasons
2 finals appearance
1 championships

Career- 18.8ppg 8.7rpg 3.2apg 0.5 spg 1.7bpg

Best statistical season- 20.8ppg 9.8 rpg 3.4apg 0.5spg 2.1bpg

Player A: Webber

Player B: Barkley

It's not really surprising to see people's career numbers drop because they had a long career and played well past their prime. Just look at the best statistical season.

Barack
09-21-2009, 10:04 PM
say gasol wins another 1-2 championships... keeps up his average over 17 for his career. there is no reason why he shouldnt be a lock for the HoF... as of now, he has a good chance... another championship he is a lock


there are players in the HoF, who havent accumulated that good of a career in a longer tenure

Mave1002
09-21-2009, 10:26 PM
Why would he be a hall of famer? What has he done? There are a lot of player who have done what has accomplished... He is just the second option of last year's NBA champions... That's it... He is a great second option but he is not even in the top ten players in the league...

HATER. watch some basketball.

_KB24_
09-21-2009, 10:30 PM
Even if it is the BASKETBALL hall of fame, he still does not belong. The llama played in an awful spanish league. The competition does not compare to the NBA. And yes he contributed to Spains lonely 1 medal in international competition. If you want to go down that route, look at the Serbian team that has 3 of the last 5 FIBA championships. I dont hear anyone making a case for Nenad Kristic.

On top of that he does not have the NBA accolades to get elected. 2 All stars? Third team all nba? I will admit that the ROY is impressive, definately his best award.

Champion????

69centers
09-21-2009, 10:48 PM
He's not a hall of famer.

xxxplicit69
09-21-2009, 10:59 PM
pao will be because he plays for the right organization, lakers get a lot of attention. they win, so pao having a ring helps and his numbers are solid.

Toenail Clipper
09-21-2009, 11:04 PM
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa Is this guy serious??????????

HEY
You're the one who's boasting about Paul Pierce.
That fat hoe never done anything!

bahama0811
09-21-2009, 11:06 PM
Hell no!!!

fairandbalanced
09-21-2009, 11:18 PM
HEY
You're the one who's boasting about Paul Pierce.
That fat hoe never done anything!

Who's fat?

Lakergirl24
09-21-2009, 11:18 PM
He still has a huge chunk of his career left to play. But, I think he will by the time his career is over.

lakerssssssss
09-22-2009, 01:09 AM
as much as i like gasol, he is not a hof

theuuord
09-22-2009, 01:19 AM
probably.

Storch
09-22-2009, 01:22 AM
He's a hall of famer for euro basketball and olympics yes. NBA, no.

theuuord
09-22-2009, 01:23 AM
He's a hall of famer for euro basketball and olympics yes. NBA, no.

there is no "NBA Hall of Fame."

LA_Raiders
09-22-2009, 01:29 AM
Yes no question, he is the most achieved international player....Including NBA & FIBA...

It is Basketball Hall of Fame not NBA Hall of Fame....

Slumberking
09-22-2009, 01:29 AM
not a chance at this point. not even a single vote. that being said, if he can have about 5 more good years and win another title or two....he has an outside shot imo

#1Mavericksfan
09-22-2009, 01:44 AM
NO....because people are gonna see that he didn't win a playoff game let alone a playoff series untill he went to the Lakers, we all know the playoffs is where you make you create your legacy and Pau wasn't doing nothing untill he went to the Lakers.

theuuord
09-22-2009, 01:46 AM
NO....because people are gonna see that he didn't win a playoff game let alone a playoff series untill he went to the Lakers, we all know the playoffs is where you make you create your legacy and Pau wasn't doing nothing untill he went to the Lakers.

Pau was leading teams with no other serious offensive options to 45-50 wins a season.

#1Mavericksfan
09-22-2009, 01:49 AM
Pau was leading teams with no other serious offensive options to 45-50 wins a season.

If Pau was as good as Lakers fans keep making him out to be then he shouldn't have needed help at all.

xHTOWN713x
09-22-2009, 01:51 AM
Well this thread helped me realize how much I really HATE lakers fans.

theuuord
09-22-2009, 01:51 AM
If Pau was as good as Lakers fans keep making him out to be then he shouldn't have needed help at all.

that's ridiculous. no player can win by himself. to say anyone doesn't need help is ludicrous.

LAcowBOMBER
09-22-2009, 01:53 AM
Yes, it's the basketball hall of fame, not the NBA hall of fame. And once he is done with his career he might even deserve it for his NBA play

Wiz kids
09-22-2009, 02:05 AM
:facepalm:

krest213
09-22-2009, 02:29 AM
hall of famer my butt

Rocktober2009
09-22-2009, 03:03 AM
Uhm.
No.

Maybe after a 5-6 more years we can have this out, but its too early.
If he retired today?

No

Hellcrooner
09-22-2009, 06:55 AM
With Gasol's resume over seas, specifically in the Olympics, I think he's pretty much guaranteed in if he continues to play at the level he's playing at right now.

Here are some of his accolades:
NBA Champion
Rookie of the year (2002)
2-time All-Star
Silver Medal Summer Olympics(2008)
Silver Medal Euro Championship (2007)
Gold Medal FIBA (2006)
Silver Medal Euro Championship (2003)
Bronze Medal Euro Championship (2001)
Gold Medal in Under 19 FIBA and under 18 (98 & 99)
Spanish League Champion (2001)
Copa del Rey Spanish Cup Champion (2001)
Spanish League Finals MVP (2001)
MVP in Copa del Rey (2001)

You forogto 1999 youth world championship (defeating usa in the final)


and 2009 EUROBAKSKET ZGOLD MEDAL just taken yesterday.



as for ele doubting his merits how many times have the grizz been in playoffs before or after him?

he did even lead him to 50 win seasons back to back where oh so bad they faced the champi0ons.


also about hsi international resume.


DO you knwo how many medals had Spain before PAu? like 1 silver in 84 olympics and 2 bronzes in euro championships.


with him on the team we have two golds 3 silvers and 3 bronzes in 9 years go figure he means nothing in fiba i guess....

bigsams50
09-22-2009, 07:11 AM
he only deserves it for his international play, not his play in the nba(he might change my opinion in comming years)

Hellcrooner
09-22-2009, 07:52 AM
Already on the HALL of Fame:

Dratzen Petrovic: 2 Euroleagues, 1 Cups winer CUp, 1 Eruobasket Gold, 1 World CUp Gold 2 Olympic Silvers,.

Nba Acomplismhents: 0 All stars 0 first econd or third teams 1 playoffs as a second Banana to Coleman. 0 Championships.

Dino Memeghin: 7 euroleagues,
2 cu winers cups, 1 korack cup, 1 silver olympic medals (1980 moscow where USA did not play),.

Nba : NEVER PLAYED


Sergei Belov: 1 world golds, 1 olympic gold ( the pobrlematic final urss won to usa), 2 eurolagues.

Nba: NEVER PLAYED

Dratzen Dalipaglig: 3 eurobasket golds, 1 world cup 1 olympic god, 1 korack cup.

Nba; Drafted but never played.




Pau gasol : 1 Spanish League, 1 spanish league mvp, 1 spanish cup, 1 sapnish cup mvp, 1 Jr world CUp, 1 World Cup gold, 1 Eurobasket Gold, 1 Olympic Silver, 2 eurobasket sivelrs, 3 eurobaket Bronzes.

Nba: Rookie of the Year, 2 Allstar Games, 1 time on third league team, 1 Finals 1 Ring, 5 times to playoff three of them as leader of a LOUSY team, Grizzlies all time best SCORER, REBOUNDER; most gmes played.

and it still ISNT OVER.


So go cheack your anti european players bias and realize its a LOCK

Ace33Bone
09-22-2009, 09:10 AM
He has not done enough to be considered one at the moment but by the time is career is over I definitely think that he will be a HOFer... he is one of the most skilled big men that we have in the game

KnicksorBust
09-22-2009, 11:05 AM
Already on the HALL of Fame:

Dratzen Petrovic: 2 Euroleagues, 1 Cups winer CUp, 1 Eruobasket Gold, 1 World CUp Gold 2 Olympic Silvers,.

Nba Acomplismhents: 0 All stars 0 first econd or third teams 1 playoffs as a second Banana to Coleman. 0 Championships.

Dino Memeghin: 7 euroleagues,
2 cu winers cups, 1 korack cup, 1 silver olympic medals (1980 moscow where USA did not play),.

Nba : NEVER PLAYED


Sergei Belov: 1 world golds, 1 olympic gold ( the pobrlematic final urss won to usa), 2 eurolagues.

Nba: NEVER PLAYED

Dratzen Dalipaglig: 3 eurobasket golds, 1 world cup 1 olympic god, 1 korack cup.

Nba; Drafted but never played.




Pau gasol : 1 Spanish League, 1 spanish league mvp, 1 spanish cup, 1 sapnish cup mvp, 1 Jr world CUp, 1 World Cup gold, 1 Eurobasket Gold, 1 Olympic Silver, 2 eurobasket sivelrs, 3 eurobaket Bronzes.

Nba: Rookie of the Year, 2 Allstar Games, 1 time on third league team, 1 Finals 1 Ring, 5 times to playoff three of them as leader of a LOUSY team, Grizzlies all time best SCORER, REBOUNDER; most gmes played.

and it still ISNT OVER.


So go cheack your anti european players bias and realize its a LOCK

Case closed. He's right. I have to admit even though I watch basketball religiously and it's my favorite sport, I had no idea that the Hall of Fame was the way it was. If international play has that kind of weight then he's probably even be a lock if he retired today.

theuuord
09-22-2009, 11:07 AM
Case closed. He's right. I have to admit even though I watch basketball religiously and it's my favorite sport, I had no idea that the Hall of Fame was the way it was. If international play has that kind of weight then he's probably even be a lock if he retired today.

yup.

koberulesall
09-22-2009, 12:04 PM
when his career is said and done and if he keeps going the pace he is currently at and wins 1-2-3 or more rings then yeah he is in the hall of fame

Hawkeye15
09-22-2009, 12:16 PM
Is this still going??? The answer is yes, look at his international success on top of his good NBA career.
Move on

azkarraga
09-22-2009, 12:16 PM
Congrats Hellcrooner. First time i've seen you having such a following here.

Coqui77
09-22-2009, 12:28 PM
NO, i don't think he's done anything to even be considered a hall of famer
Without Kobe he’s just Gasoft

FunctionalAware
09-22-2009, 12:31 PM
What do you guys think? He dominated the European championship plus his contribution to the Lakers championship.

that depends on what the hall of fame means. it is pretty much redefined on a annual basis based on who gets in each year.

to me, the hall of fame is a place for the greatest of the great. therefore, no he is not now nor can he ever be a hall of famer.

if you go by the distinction of was he great for the era he played in, then you might be able to couple gasol's play in the nba and europe and say ok...maybe, if he continues to play at this level and helps to deliver 1 or 2 more championships, then he might deserve consideration, but still not induction

finally, if you go by the rules lately that you get in just for trying really hard (loose interpretation but still true based on the last 5 entering classes less obvious choices) then maybe he'll get a few votes.

i am sure there we can come up with reasons for 50% of the hall not to be there so that's why fans don't really make the decisions on who gets in.

tbone2171
09-22-2009, 12:50 PM
What a dumb thread...God, Lakers fans are high up on their players.

flea
09-22-2009, 01:00 PM
Only Lakers fans and Spaniards think that this is even a discussion.

Hellcrooner
09-22-2009, 01:55 PM
Congrats Hellcrooner. First time i've seen you having such a following here. i didnt start this deaf discussion

SteveNash
09-22-2009, 02:12 PM
Already on the HALL of Fame:

Dratzen Petrovic: 2 Euroleagues, 1 Cups winer CUp, 1 Eruobasket Gold, 1 World CUp Gold 2 Olympic Silvers,.

Nba Acomplismhents: 0 All stars 0 first econd or third teams 1 playoffs as a second Banana to Coleman. 0 Championships.

Dino Memeghin: 7 euroleagues,
2 cu winers cups, 1 korack cup, 1 silver olympic medals (1980 moscow where USA did not play),.

Nba : NEVER PLAYED


Sergei Belov: 1 world golds, 1 olympic gold ( the pobrlematic final urss won to usa), 2 eurolagues.

Nba: NEVER PLAYED

Dratzen Dalipaglig: 3 eurobasket golds, 1 world cup 1 olympic god, 1 korack cup.

Nba; Drafted but never played.




Pau gasol : 1 Spanish League, 1 spanish league mvp, 1 spanish cup, 1 sapnish cup mvp, 1 Jr world CUp, 1 World Cup gold, 1 Eurobasket Gold, 1 Olympic Silver, 2 eurobasket sivelrs, 3 eurobaket Bronzes.

Nba: Rookie of the Year, 2 Allstar Games, 1 time on third league team, 1 Finals 1 Ring, 5 times to playoff three of them as leader of a LOUSY team, Grizzlies all time best SCORER, REBOUNDER; most gmes played.

and it still ISNT OVER.


So go cheack your anti european players bias and realize its a LOCK

He is going to get it, doesn't mean he deserves it. Does Anthony Parker deserve to be in the hall of fame? Yes, if basing it on the players you listed. But he wont get in because of where he was born and because of his race. And that's why Gasol getting into the HoF is a sham.

Hellcrooner
09-22-2009, 02:16 PM
anyhony paRKER has not won any giba world cups or eurobaskets or whatever nbor has he been roy no has an nba title non has etc etc etc.

Mavrix
09-22-2009, 02:59 PM
Hell no.

ragee
09-22-2009, 03:02 PM
HATER. watch some basketball.

Not hating man... Well, I do hate the Lakers but they are the best team and they proved it last year... I do watch a lot of basketball and that is why I am asking you what Gasol has done? He was not able to get the Griz past the first round... First option or second option, his stats are all-star like... He only has one championship... Now tell me, are there a lot of players who are like that? Are all of them going to be inducted in the HOF? I don't think so... I am not saying he is not going to be there... All I am saying is he needs to do more to be deserving... Win another ring or two maybe...

pebloemer
09-22-2009, 03:16 PM
Criteria for induction:


In contrast to the Pro Football Hall of Fame the NBA Hall honors international professionals and American and international amateurs in addition to American professionals. It employs four screening committees to identify prospective nominees: one each for American candidates, female candidates, international candidates, and veterans candidates

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Basketball_Hall_of_Fame


people here are seriously forgetting his international and world/olympic games experience and success, as well as his NBA success. While I agree, if you base it soley on his NBA accomplishments, he should not make it, the HOF will take into account his international career as well, and remember, it is easier to make the basketball HOF vs baseball for instance.


With Gasol's resume over seas, specifically in the Olympics, I think he's pretty much guaranteed in if he continues to play at the level he's playing at right now.

Here are some of his accolades:
NBA Champion
Rookie of the year (2002)
2-time All-Star
Silver Medal Summer Olympics(2008)
Silver Medal Euro Championship (2007)
Gold Medal FIBA (2006)
Silver Medal Euro Championship (2003)
Bronze Medal Euro Championship (2001)
Gold Medal in Under 19 FIBA and under 18 (98 & 99)
Spanish League Champion (2001)
Copa del Rey Spanish Cup Champion (2001)
Spanish League Finals MVP (2001)
MVP in Copa del Rey (2001)

Quote by Hellcrooner

Already on the HALL of Fame:
Dratzen Petrovic: 2 Euroleagues, 1 Cups winer CUp, 1 Eruobasket Gold, 1 World CUp Gold 2 Olympic Silvers,.
Nba Acomplismhents: 0 All stars 0 first econd or third teams 1 playoffs as a second Banana to Coleman. 0 Championships.

Dino Memeghin: 7 euroleagues,
2 cu winers cups, 1 korack cup, 1 silver olympic medals (1980 moscow where USA did not play),.
Nba : NEVER PLAYED

Sergei Belov: 1 world golds, 1 olympic gold ( the pobrlematic final urss won to usa), 2 eurolagues.
Nba: NEVER PLAYED

Dratzen Dalipaglig: 3 eurobasket golds, 1 world cup 1 olympic god, 1 korack cup.
Nba; Drafted but never played.

Pau gasol : 1 Spanish League, 1 spanish league mvp, 1 spanish cup, 1 sapnish cup mvp, 1 Jr world CUp, 1 World Cup gold, 1 Eurobasket Gold, 1 Olympic Silver, 2 eurobasket sivelrs, 3 eurobaket Bronzes.

Nba: Rookie of the Year, 2 Allstar Games, 1 time on third league team, 1 Finals 1 Ring, 5 times to playoff three of them as leader of a LOUSY team, Grizzlies all time best SCORER, REBOUNDER; most gmes played.

and it still ISNT OVER.

So go cheack your anti european players bias and realize its a LOCK

I've heard some great arguments why he should be considered and likely will go to the hall, but I still haven't heard a convincing rebuddle. Seems like those laughing at the thread are either uncertain about the Hall's criteria or uncertain about Pau's international record.

SteveNash
09-22-2009, 03:32 PM
anyhony paRKER has not won any giba world cups or eurobaskets or whatever nbor has he been roy no has an nba title non has etc etc etc.

Pau is not getting in due to his NBA career. It will be due to his International career.

Parker has:
3-time Euroleague Champion
2-time Euroleague MVP
Euroleague Final Four MVP: 2004
Israeli League MVP : 2004
5-time Israeli Super League Champion
5-time Israeli Basketball State Cup Champion

In a 6 years of FIBA play.

You don't think Parker would make it on the Spanish team replacing NBA role players such as:
Rudy Fernandez
Juan Carlos Navarro
Ricky Rubio
Sergio Rodríguez
Jorge Garbajosa
Raul Lopez

As I said, have Parker be a Spaniard born in Spain and he's a lock for HoF.

Kevj77
09-22-2009, 03:39 PM
Isn't it to early for this? So far he looks like there is great potential for the Hall. A rookie of the year, 2 all-star games with more to come. His international accomplishments. A championship as the teams second best player. If the Lakers win a couple more rings he is a lock. If they bomb he will be borderline.

pebloemer
09-22-2009, 03:49 PM
Pau is not getting in due to his NBA career. It will be due to his International career.

You don't think Parker would make it on the Spanish team replacing NBA role players such as:
Rudy Fernandez
Juan Carlos Navarro
Ricky Rubio
Sergio Rodríguez
Jorge Garbajosa
Raul Lopez

As I said, have Parker be a Spaniard born in Spain and he's a lock for HoF.

You can't discount Pau's NBA accomplishments as not influential just because you are arguing International accomplishments. All of his basketball career is taken into account. And all in all, Pau's accomplishements look much better than Parker's on paper and in real life.

The one thing I'd say you are correct about is that if Parker was Spanish things may be different for him. But that is only because he would have an opportunity to compete in the Olympics and World Championships. But that doesn't make him as good a player as Gasol, nor does it mean he has had the same affect on the game of basketball.

blazerman
09-22-2009, 03:54 PM
He's definitely a good player but not close to HOF career yet but he's only halfway into his career. Can he end up being a HOF inductee, sure with more hard work but as of now no.

Storch
09-22-2009, 05:23 PM
No T-Mac has had a better career then Gasol only Gasol has a ring for being the #2 option on a championship team.

Since T-Mac isn't considered a HOF neither is Gasol.

How does Tmac have a better career than Gasol?! Please explain this, because honestly you're not very aware of the NBA. Gasol has won in the nba and international play, mcgrady has never made it past the first round in the playoffs. Gasol career > Mcgrady career.

SteveNash
09-22-2009, 06:21 PM
You can't discount Pau's NBA accomplishments as not influential just because you are arguing International accomplishments. All of his basketball career is taken into account. And all in all, Pau's accomplishements look much better than Parker's on paper and in real life.

The one thing I'd say you are correct about is that if Parker was Spanish things may be different for him. But that is only because he would have an opportunity to compete in the Olympics and World Championships. But that doesn't make him as good a player as Gasol, nor does it mean he has had the same affect on the game of basketball.

The point is that international ball is weak. Same with college ball. Much weaker than the ABA whose stars get discredited because of their work in the ABA.

Why dominating lesser competition should be rewarded I don't know. But my post was more towards the other players Hellcrooner listed who never played in the NBA with the exception of Petrovic who was also overrated because he died.

JWO35
09-22-2009, 08:03 PM
hell no.

+1

lorenz00
09-22-2009, 08:08 PM
lol no not even close

MackSnackWrap
09-22-2009, 08:52 PM
ye hes not even close

MackSnackWrap
09-22-2009, 08:53 PM
but who knows if he has sum amazing years to come

Ansy
09-22-2009, 09:28 PM
The next 3-4 years of his career will have a big impact on how I want to answer this question. If he's the 2nd best player on a team that repeats it's going to be hard not to let him in. It's like Joe Dumars: maybe not a hall of famer on his own merit, but he was a massive piece of a dominant team so on the back of that team's accomplishments he gained entry.

Hawkeye15
09-22-2009, 10:03 PM
Have any of you been to the HOF? I have. He is in right now. With his international resume, and his 18/8 career, with 2 all star appearances, championship ring, and his dominance internationally, he is nearly a lock.
I am not sure if many of you are thinking they base this only off NBA career, or if it is as difficult as MLB HOF, but neither is the case. He is in. Especially seeing as he still has around 6 years left to play at a pretty high level. But even if he retired today, he is in.

SouljahPhil...
09-22-2009, 10:13 PM
Nice one hawkeye...:cool:

SouljahPhil...
09-22-2009, 10:18 PM
LOL I love those 1 liner replies...Answering without even giving a reason..haha

just look at those international players in the hall and compare it with pau then maybe it can help you realize and disect your minds on how he will end up there..

AllTheWay
09-22-2009, 11:05 PM
Wow. The amount of ignorant people in this thread is 100.

Hellcrooner
09-22-2009, 11:20 PM
The point is that international ball is weak. Same with college ball. Much weaker than the ABA whose stars get discredited because of their work in the ABA.

Why dominating lesser competition should be rewarded I don't know. But my post was more towards the other players Hellcrooner listed who never played in the NBA with the exception of Petrovic who was also overrated because he died. inferior competition that could be true if he won his fiba cahpmionshisp bfore 1992 againt ncaa players.

but if im not going senile i would swear that when Pau lead spain to World CUp gold in 2006 team Usa was participating and they had that dudes ...mmm what were their names....Lebrown JIm or something and Carmen Antonio and Cristomolous BAsh and Charles Baazer or something.... di dont remeber clearly yep inferior competition of course :p

mikantsass
09-23-2009, 11:23 AM
Champion????

I hate that arguement. So are Luke Walton and Brian Scalabrine. Hall of fame are for players with individual awards.

SouljahPhil...
09-23-2009, 11:44 AM
lol...comparing gasol to puke or scalabrine is plain awful...haha

MDD
09-23-2009, 11:46 AM
The guy made little difference when he was the so-call star for the grizz, even when they had good talent around him. He

Hellcrooner
09-23-2009, 11:55 AM
i gues back to back 50 wins d is little difference?


and what talent?


already retired even if not old enough J williams?

playing in china even if not that old bonzi wells?

role player battier?

role player mike miller?


role player lorwnen wirght?


bust stromile swift who could not evne start for a lousy nets?

??????????????????

azkarraga
09-23-2009, 11:55 AM
What's clear is mots ppl here know nothing abut the HOF.

Hellcrooner
09-23-2009, 11:56 AM
worst the DONT WANT to know how it works.

ive showed them the merits of the already inducted european players wich ar NOThiNG comparing to Paus merits and still they dont realize how it works and that he woudl be in e ven if he retired today

Thatruth32
09-23-2009, 12:01 PM
hello No... this thread should be closed r u freakin kidding me? he needs to put up many years of what he just did to be a HOF

SouljahPhil...
09-23-2009, 12:06 PM
Your just wasting your time HC...Seems almost all people here are close minded and hard headed...That's why I only post here sometimes...

SouljahPhil...
09-23-2009, 12:07 PM
lol lol lol lol...

sixers247
09-23-2009, 12:09 PM
It is a lock he makes it....people should take a trip to the HOF and then the will realize why they sound dumb saying no way and not a chance.

pebloemer
09-23-2009, 12:23 PM
The point is that international ball is weak. Same with college ball. Much weaker than the ABA whose stars get discredited because of their work in the ABA.

Why dominating lesser competition should be rewarded I don't know. But my post was more towards the other players Hellcrooner listed who never played in the NBA with the exception of Petrovic who was also overrated because he died.

It sounds like your point of contention is with the format of selecting candidates for the Hall of Fame?

I certainly think that plenty of discussion could be had regarding how the Hall treats International Candidates or all of its candidates in general.

I think that there are many better NBA players than Pau Gasol, who possibly won't make it into the Basketball Hall of Fame because they lack the international credentials that Pau boasts. I imagine that is why there are so many people that voted "no."

How do you feel about the Hall awarding female candidates? Can the WNBA not also been seen as "inferior competition?"

MDD
09-23-2009, 12:29 PM
Is Arvydas Sabonis in the HOF?

MDD
09-23-2009, 12:44 PM
Gasol stardom comes from playing with Kobe, Phill, The Lakers and two big men being Bynum and Odom. They help mask his weakness as A 7 footer being a ok rebounder, a bad post defender and soft physically inside. Where if he was still in Memphis we would not be talking about this!

wileyisTOFU
09-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Gasol stardom comes from playing with Kobe, Phill, The Lakers and two big men being Bynum and Odom. They help mask his weakness as A 7 footer being a ok rebounder, a bad post defender and soft physically inside. Where if he was still in Memphis we would not be talking about this!

no way we have this conversation if he's still in memphis, no way

Ni55anpat
09-23-2009, 01:35 PM
hahahahahhahaha, NO.

UnWantedTheory
09-23-2009, 01:52 PM
No.

mikantsass
09-23-2009, 03:31 PM
HEY
You're the one who's boasting about Paul Pierce.
That fat hoe never done anything!

Who said anything about Pierce? But you are right, Pierce is better than Gasol

Hellcrooner
09-23-2009, 10:23 PM
yes he ha no post d go ask stupid wight howard.

by the way if he sitll was in memphis he STILL makes the HOF thanks to ll the fiba medals.

Put it inisde your RACIST chauvinist simple thick, stupid and arrogant and small american minds. ( im nto talking to the 43 guys that knew beter nd voted yeah)

He is LOCK there.

Hellcrooner
09-23-2009, 10:30 PM
and by the way i want to see your stupid comments and complains next year ( or in two years im not sure when he is eligible) when 0 times all star and champion only as a third/fourth wheel at best on the " supposed Goat" team TONI KUKOC gets in at FIRST BALLOT.

dgreat5000
09-23-2009, 10:45 PM
I could understand if he dominated internation play year after year, but he hasn't....he has no chance to get in the HOF. Whoever voted yes must not know very much basketball history.

dgreat5000
09-23-2009, 10:50 PM
1. Toni Kukoc is no HOF, and I am a Bulls fan from Chicago
2. Sabonis' international career doubles Gasol's 1 year of winning.
3. If Gasol is in, so is Ginobili, Yao, tony, parker, Horry, kukoc, and many other GOOD players

Hellcrooner
09-23-2009, 10:59 PM
1 year what?

you clearly dont know a **** about pau spain counts Pau gasols participations in tournaments in medals with him on the team we ALWAYS get a medal.

Hellcrooner
09-23-2009, 11:02 PM
and by the way of course Manu is a hall of famer too and probably Tony Parker. and yes Friggin Horry deserves to be in there too you know? he has 8!!!!! rings and dont come back with the role player **** because he has hit CLUTCH and RING WINNING shots ALL his career with ALL his teams.

oh and yeah Kukoc is a HOF to because of his international resume.

so will be LISA LESLEY what? woman in hof? oh my god how bad they dont ace true competition buhhhh wuaaaaa wuaaaaaaaa

i CANT BELIEVE how many STUPID and BIASED people writes in this board.

MTar786
09-24-2009, 07:11 AM
u guys think the nba is the only basketball league in the world??

he is almost a LOCK for HOF
he's been european player of the year
he's won euro championships as the mvp
lead his country to gold
one of the great basketball olympic players
best player to ever come from spain
won an NBA championship as one of the main players on the team
been the best player on a bad team AND took em to the playoffs
I THINK he won rookie of the year?

he has done a lot to be in the BASKETBALL HOF. doesnt mean i see him as an nba top 50 all time or anything. but he is almost a sure basketball HOF player. u KNOW spain is gonna do well ONLY cuz pau leads that team

outside the nba pau EASILY has a better resume than dirk

and its arguable he may have better in the nba as well but i wouldnt go that far only cuz of his mvp
but so far

pau = 1 ring
dirk = 0

dgreat5000
09-24-2009, 09:08 AM
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's not about being racist or biased!
Tony Parker and Ginobilie are no where near HOF status! Are nowhere near HOF status Ginobile was never ever the captain of his Olypic team, nor his NBA Team, please justify Manu!

Pau is not a perrenial all star
Never led the league in any stat category
Has only 1 ring

He may have dominated overseas in tourney's that matter......overseas. None are televised in the US so how do u expect the average PSD poster to know what the hell you r talkin bout??

MTar786
09-24-2009, 01:58 PM
^^^

lol u r dumb if u think pau is not an all star
he is way better than most pf's in the league.. only ones who are better that come to mind are duncan, dirk and kg

and no i dont think bosh is better than pau.. nor do i think amare is. but i guess its all arguable. n those guys are all star players

MDD
09-27-2009, 09:08 PM
u guys think the nba is the only basketball league in the world??

he is almost a LOCK for HOF
he's been european player of the year
he's won euro championships as the mvp
lead his country to gold
one of the great basketball olympic players
best player to ever come from spain
won an NBA championship as one of the main players on the team
been the best player on a bad team AND took em to the playoffs
I THINK he won rookie of the year?

he has done a lot to be in the BASKETBALL HOF. doesnt mean i see him as an nba top 50 all time or anything. but he is almost a sure basketball HOF player. u KNOW spain is gonna do well ONLY cuz pau leads that team

outside the nba pau EASILY has a better resume than dirk

and its arguable he may have better in the nba as well but i wouldnt go that far only cuz of his mvp
but so far

pau = 1 ring
dirk = 0

Yes he did all these things but the European league is not where all the best basketball go to play it's the NBA, so it was like these things was accomplished in a miner league!

SouljahPhil...
09-27-2009, 09:27 PM
euro minor league?? lol