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JordansBulls
09-17-2009, 10:24 PM
Would the Heat be title contenders with prime Jermaine O'neal instead of washed up JO?

Many think the Heat are far away from contention, however is that really so. Imagine the JO on the Heat now is the JO that was on the Pacers from 2003-2007.

How good would they be?

PG Mario Chalmers
SG Dwyane Wade
SF Michael Beasley
PF Udonis Haslem
C Jermaine O'neal

D_Rose1118
09-17-2009, 10:35 PM
yeah i think so


he was a beast

iggypop123
09-17-2009, 10:41 PM
he isnt even all star JO anymore.

Metsmerizing
09-17-2009, 10:53 PM
Prime Jermaine O'Neal?? You mean a Jermaine O'Neal that can't be divided? Or did you mean Jermaine O'Neal in his prime??

LayZbone
09-17-2009, 11:03 PM
I think so. Wade + dominant low post presence = great things

b_rad23
09-17-2009, 11:05 PM
Unquestionably.

Very good defensive team, good balance.

That team is better than 2006 championship Heat team.

jsumadchat
09-17-2009, 11:25 PM
any team with JO in his prime would have been a contender.

BkOriginalOne
09-17-2009, 11:29 PM
Def.
The talent is still there, If JO goes 16, 10 with 2 blocks you have to consider it a good season.

Bluffmasta
09-17-2009, 11:51 PM
i dont think toronto raptors would of traded JO if he wasstill in his prime

BlondeBomber41
09-18-2009, 12:05 AM
i dont think toronto raptors would of traded JO if he wasstill in his prime

Well if we are using that logic than I dont think the Pacers would of ever traded him to the Raptors...

_KB24_
09-18-2009, 12:49 AM
Unquestionably.

Very good defensive team, good balance.

That team is better than 2006 championship Heat team.

:facepalm:

PG: Williams
SG: Wade
SF: Posey
SF: Haslem
C: Shaq
Bench: Zo, Payton, Walker, Kapono, Jones

Thats a sick team right there, MILES ahead of this Heat team even with a healthy JO.

kidfury
09-18-2009, 01:06 AM
no doubt, JO was a stud in his prime before his injuries

Paulliwali
09-18-2009, 01:51 AM
too bad for JO and his injuries, but I think they can get into second round...wait no that is little tooooo far stretched

clutchski
09-18-2009, 02:16 AM
I think they'd be close to Cleveland, and could lock the 4th seed, but contenders is a little much. Don't get me wrong, JO's game in his prime was sick, I just think the top 3 are still better teams.

Chronz
09-18-2009, 02:18 AM
He doesnt solve their offensive problems, but defensively they would be set. Top 10 Offense, top 5 defense something along the lines of 55 wins or so. Good-great but not elite

JordansBulls
09-18-2009, 08:32 AM
He doesnt solve their offensive problems, but defensively they would be set. Top 10 Offense, top 5 defense something along the lines of 55 wins or so. Good-great but not elite

He was a 24 and 12 player.

Wilson
09-18-2009, 08:51 AM
Definately. JOs injury history is a shame.

khalil72
09-18-2009, 09:08 AM
I think JO going to surprise some people this year. The East is strong, so I'm not making any Championship predictions. I am going to say Miami will put some fear in their opponents this year. GO HEAT!

How 'bout then 'Canes!!!:rock:

Ray_R
09-18-2009, 09:12 AM
yea he was greatin his prime

Hawkeye15
09-18-2009, 09:20 AM
sure, on paper. JO would be a top 5 Center, and the biggest improvement would be on the defensive side.

mitch91
09-18-2009, 10:57 AM
without a shadow of doubt the heat would be a top team imo!

jm413
09-18-2009, 05:00 PM
the heat could reach in the top 3 if JO were in his prime easily

MackSnackWrap
09-18-2009, 05:14 PM
Ye no doubt man they would, in that case if he was in his prime the raps would have been contenders last year

Chronz
09-18-2009, 05:32 PM
He was a 24 and 12 player.
Yes he was

JordansBulls
09-18-2009, 08:29 PM
Yes he was

You think they could beat Cleveland?

Raps18-19 Champ
09-18-2009, 08:33 PM
The JO that was in MVP conversations? No doubt.

dtmagnet
09-18-2009, 10:19 PM
I think for sure they would, JO was awsome in his prime.

JordansBulls
09-19-2009, 01:02 AM
sure, on paper. JO would be a top 5 Center, and the biggest improvement would be on the defensive side.

Well it depends on who you are listing as the centers.

kimchi'sworld
09-19-2009, 01:27 AM
Yea with O'Neal in his prime with a healthy Wade they would be at least a 3rd or 4th seed battling to get out of the Eastern Conference Finals

JordansBulls
09-19-2009, 04:28 PM
Yea with O'Neal in his prime with a healthy Wade they would be at least a 3rd or 4th seed battling to get out of the Eastern Conference Finals

I agree with this as well.

Chronz
09-20-2009, 11:52 AM
You think they could beat Cleveland?

No, because he doesnt solve their offensive problems

JordansBulls
09-23-2009, 07:29 PM
No, because he doesnt solve their offensive problems

He was a 24 and 12 player.

MackSnackWrap
09-23-2009, 07:44 PM
ye maam

Chronz
09-23-2009, 07:53 PM
He was a 24 and 12 player.

What good did that do the Pacers?

smith&wesson
09-23-2009, 08:09 PM
any time a player avgs 24 points a game, he is helping his team offensivley.

also he took the pacers to the finals in his prime. he was effective on both ends of the floor.

yes prime jo and healthy wade on miami along with beasley, haslem and chalmers. can compet with clevland, orland and boston.

i dont know if they would be better but they could compete with them.

Chronz
09-23-2009, 08:22 PM
any time a player avgs 24 points a game, he is helping his team offensivley.

also he took the pacers to the finals in his prime. he was effective on both ends of the floor.

yes prime jo and healthy wade on miami along with beasley, haslem and chalmers. can compet with clevland, orland and boston.

i dont know if they would be better but they could compete with them.
Hes not going to average 24PPG in Miami at the usage he required in Indiana.

He was ELITE at 1 end of the floor, and fringe all-star on the other end, Z-Bo ish like efficiency but with stellar defense. My point isnt that he wasnt atleast good, but that hes not in the league with the other bigs and wouldnt solve Miami's offensive problems because Jermaine himself isnt very efficient.

They could compete but ultimately lose yes

JordansBulls
09-23-2009, 10:37 PM
What good did that do the Pacers?

It got them a #1 seed and 61 wins.

blastmasta26
09-23-2009, 10:46 PM
Yea JO in his prime would make them contenders, but I don't think they would win a championship until Beasley developed and they got a better bench.

marvILLous
09-23-2009, 11:16 PM
He was a 24 and 12 player.

more like 20/10.. still good, but you keep saying 24/12 when he never avg'd that? lol

smith&wesson
09-23-2009, 11:28 PM
Hes not going to average 24PPG in Miami at the usage he required in Indiana.

He was ELITE at 1 end of the floor, and fringe all-star on the other end, Z-Bo ish like efficiency but with stellar defense. My point isnt that he wasnt atleast good, but that hes not in the league with the other bigs and wouldnt solve Miami's offensive problems because Jermaine himself isnt very efficient.

They could compete but ultimately lose yes

I agree with every thing else, but you can not compare prime JO to zbo...

career high points in a game 55- meaing he was an offensive threat at one time. i dont know how efficient but he was theyre go to guy. and he is a 6 time all star you cant compare him to z bo my man.

JordansBulls
11-04-2009, 03:39 PM
JO this year is averaging 16.5 ppg and 8.3 rpg on 63% FG.


It's fair to say that when JO is getting 20+ ppg and 10+ rpg the Heat are as good as anyone.

Gibby23
11-04-2009, 04:16 PM
He was a 24 and 12 player.

He was never a 24 and 12 player. The season he averaged 24ppg he was getting 8.8rpg. In his opther good years he was at 20ppg didn't even touch 21ppg.

faridk89
11-04-2009, 04:29 PM
yeah which team wouldnt....i mean if he was that JO in toronto, the raps would be beast last year

BluejaysFan08
11-04-2009, 04:33 PM
What kind of a question is that?
Obviously anybody with solid players back in there prime could contend basically.

pebloemer
11-04-2009, 04:43 PM
I think they could have a shot at it. Any time a player of Wade's caliber has a talented and solid supporting cast, I would think they have a chance.

JO is a big part of that talented supporting cast.
The developments of Beasley and Chalmers are an important part of that too.

If JO stays healthy, and contributes as he has to start the season, Chalmers continues to improve and Beasley lives up to lofty expectations, this team can be a contender. That is a lot to go right over the course of a season though, so we'll see.

If nothing else, there is a lot of reason for optimism in Miami.

b_rad23
11-04-2009, 07:39 PM
What good did that do the Pacers?

Wade and Beasley were on the Pacers??

sofargone
11-04-2009, 09:37 PM
no they wouldnt win the title. maybe make it to the ECF but... i think thats as far as they go.