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montazingmvp
09-09-2009, 07:35 AM
michael jordan was the last to do it...will there be another?

Niro
09-09-2009, 07:47 AM
anthony randolph

PennyMy#1
09-09-2009, 08:10 AM
Never.

lakerboy
09-09-2009, 08:13 AM
Put a center like Dwight Howard in the Knicks... Something like that. But a team with a scorer averaging 35PPG will never win an NBA championship.

JordansBulls
09-09-2009, 08:20 AM
Who was the last guy to average 30 ppg on 50% fg?

azkarraga
09-09-2009, 08:32 AM
Let's hope there's another. Fortunately for the game, he might be already born.

Jetsguy
09-09-2009, 09:04 AM
LeBron and Dwight are the only ones with the potential and I dont think either of them will do it...

a3rodynamic
09-09-2009, 10:02 AM
I can't see a current player doing it, but I could see a dominant center playing on a crappy team (Read Knicks like Lakerboy said) pulling this off.

I don't see Dwight building up enough of an offensive skill set to throw down 35ppg.
And IMO Lebron shoots too many jumpers and threes to get to 50%.

Byronicle
09-09-2009, 10:13 AM
i honestly believe Kevin Durant will be able to do it

He is a great scorer with great length and has sooo much potential STILL

Byronicle
09-09-2009, 10:14 AM
Who was the last guy to average 30 ppg on 50% fg?

i think Shaq when he was with the Lakers

ctitus45
09-09-2009, 10:16 AM
I think Durant could do it. Dwight could if he gets some offensive post moves. And im sure LeBron could if he improved his shot selection and got a few more shooters around him.

SpeeMN
09-09-2009, 10:21 AM
Durant

But its not like players can't do it. I don't think anyone will ever be asked to do it again.

a3rodynamic
09-09-2009, 10:22 AM
Shaq came damn close, but I don't think he ever got to 30 a game. He's got the FG% every year, but only got to 29.something for his points totals.

BkOriginalOne
09-09-2009, 10:24 AM
Possibly dwight howard.
Lebron could get close considering he tends to drive more than shoot.

Ace33Bone
09-09-2009, 10:50 AM
I definitely think that eventually there will be another dominant force to come into the league that will average those numbers... I feel that it will be a PF or C just because of the fact that its easier to shoot >50% from one of these positions... I doubt if LBJ or Dwight will be the ones to answer this calling #1 LBJ doesn't shoot the ball enough to average over 35 ppg and #2 Dwight's offensive skills are not polished enough to average 35 ppg

ManRam
09-09-2009, 11:03 AM
LeBron is the best choice. I don't think Dwight will ever develop the offensive skill to be able to get that many shots a game. 5 years in, and he has 15 ppg to make up. His highest ppg in a season is only 21.

I don't think Durant will ever be a 50% shooter. Maybe a 35 point scorer though.

Hawkeye15
09-09-2009, 11:25 AM
Maybe LeBron. But MJ also kicked in 6/6 and 3 steals.
Those seasons will be very difficult to produce. He went for 33/8/8 on 52% shooting 2 years later. Insane

HiphopRelated
09-09-2009, 12:08 PM
Wade...if the team was bad enough


post ASB last year 34/5/8 51.4% fg 37% 3pt


hopefully that won't be necessary.

black1605
09-09-2009, 12:10 PM
i dont think it will happen

29$JerZ
09-09-2009, 12:14 PM
Kevin Durant could do it, but I don't know if that would be a good thing.

ChiSox219
09-09-2009, 12:32 PM
No one currently in the NBA will do it.

Lebron is capable but he would have to sign with NY to do it, and that's just unlikely.

koberulesall
09-09-2009, 12:50 PM
no it wont happen, the 3 point line is what offense revolves around now there are better long range shooters now then there ever has been and defense imp has gotten way way way way way way better than say when MJ was playing

29$JerZ
09-09-2009, 12:53 PM
Durant,LeBron,Carmelo are the 3 SF's I believe could do it. Problem is with their current team that's not happening, maybe for Durant.

ChiSox219
09-09-2009, 12:55 PM
no it wont happen, the 3 point line is what offense revolves around now there are better long range shooters now then there ever has been and defense imp has gotten way way way way way way better than say when MJ was playing

NBA defense is awful these days, the worst of any generation.

D Roses Bulls
09-09-2009, 12:57 PM
yeah i dont see no one in my life time going to do it. if the magic sucked and it was up to dwight he might have a chance, but i dont see no one else really coming close to what jordan did.

cthroatgtr
09-09-2009, 01:14 PM
Won't happen because of the 3pt line and zone defenses. Jordan's year that he avg 35ppg he shot .132 from the 3pt line and I believe a total of 98 3pt attempts. At the time it was less a weapon for players. Then add in that double teaming off the ball was illegal so it was tougher to play a junk defense against him because you had to wait until he had the ball to double which made it easier to continually score inside. Kobe was the last guy to average 35ppg and he didn't shoot .500 but he also took 518 3pt. That by definition will bring down your shooting pct. Then you add in the additional jumpers he had to shoot due to all the zones/double/triple teams and various junk defenses he has to face and its just not possible. Then to average 35ppg your team has to stink. I believe Shaq in his prime if he played on a horrible team could have done it. Lebron or Wade could have an outside shot at it but in the end the 3pt shot will drag down their averages and their teams would have to be terrible. Again going back to Kobe he was really the only dependable scorer on his team when he went for 35ppg and that number dropped when Gasol arrived. Wade had a similar situation last year and managed 30ppg on a very good average but in the playoffs that average dropped considerably against better teams.

cthroatgtr
09-09-2009, 01:18 PM
yeah i dont see no one in my life time going to do it. if the magic sucked and it was up to dwight he might have a chance, but i dont see no one else really coming close to what jordan did.

Dwight doesn't have the arsenal to do it which is why he is just breaking 20ppg now. He can't create his own shot and has no real range. He is also always in foul trouble limiting his minutes.

IndyRealist
09-09-2009, 01:43 PM
No. Zone defense.

KG2TB
09-09-2009, 01:58 PM
Won't happen because of the 3pt line and zone defenses. Jordan's year that he avg 35ppg he shot .132 from the 3pt line and I believe a total of 98 3pt attempts. At the time it was less a weapon for players. Then add in that double teaming off the ball was illegal so it was tougher to play a junk defense against him because you had to wait until he had the ball to double which made it easier to continually score inside. Kobe was the last guy to average 35ppg and he didn't shoot .500 but he also took 518 3pt. That by definition will bring down your shooting pct. Then you add in the additional jumpers he had to shoot due to all the zones/double/triple teams and various junk defenses he has to face and its just not possible. Then to average 35ppg your team has to stink. I believe Shaq in his prime if he played on a horrible team could have done it. Lebron or Wade could have an outside shot at it but in the end the 3pt shot will drag down their averages and their teams would have to be terrible. Again going back to Kobe he was really the only dependable scorer on his team when he went for 35ppg and that number dropped when Gasol arrived. Wade had a similar situation last year and managed 30ppg on a very good average but in the playoffs that average dropped considerably against better teams.

Well, I could listen to you and believe that it's harder to score in today's game or I could listen to someone a bit more knowledgeable, like Phil Jackson who said MJ would probably average 45 PPG with today's rules.

LanceUpperCut
09-09-2009, 01:59 PM
I think I can do it.

azkarraga
09-09-2009, 02:00 PM
with today's no touch defense rule, MJ would be living in the free throw line

bogdanrom
09-09-2009, 02:09 PM
I think that someone will be able to do this again, but when and who, I have no idea.

Raph12
09-09-2009, 02:24 PM
i think Shaq when he was with the Lakers

Shaq's career high was 29.7ppg. No one will avg 35ppg on 50% shooting because scoring is no longer the fad. Everyone wants to win now, nobody cares to be the leading scorer except guys on a bad team and those guys get so much attention they can't shoot 50%. It may happen again, but not in this generation.

ko8e24
09-09-2009, 02:46 PM
i think Shaq when he was with the Lakers

No, his career high avg, which was with the lakers, was 29.7 PPG in the 1999-2000 Season, when he won a scoring title and league mvp

ko8e24
09-09-2009, 02:47 PM
Shaq's career high was 29.7ppg. No one will avg 35ppg on 50% shooting because scoring is no longer the fad. Everyone wants to win now, nobody cares to be the leading scorer except guys on a bad team and those guys get so much attention they can't shoot 50%. It may happen again, but not in this generation.

lol, didnt see ur post before, my bad

ko8e24
09-09-2009, 02:48 PM
oh, and my guess is lebron will do it multiple times (only if he limits himself to 3-4 jumpshot attempts per game, cuz for him, any jumper is a % dropper)

koberulesall
09-09-2009, 02:59 PM
oh, and my guess is lebron will do it multiple times (only if he limits himself to 3-4 jumpshot attempts per game, cuz for him, any jumper is a % dropper) HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! word up brotha
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players are stronger and faster than they ever been defense is way better than it ever was it wont happen

LakePackYank
09-09-2009, 03:13 PM
kobe almost did it 2 or 3 years ago, he averaged 35 points but 46% FG.

DreamShaker
09-09-2009, 03:22 PM
No. Zone defense.

Are you kidding me?? Guys get to the basket at will now...you can't touch anyone...

SteveNash
09-09-2009, 03:29 PM
Are you kidding me?? Guys get to the basket at will now...you can't touch anyone...

Did you watch Jordan play in the 80s?

I think 35/50% will happen again eventually, but it will probably be a big man doing it. The perimeter need to utilize the three point shot more these days, when Jordan had 35/50% he only took 53 three pointers the entire season.

Raph12
09-09-2009, 03:30 PM
lol, didnt see ur post before, my bad

It's all good, the point is just further emphasized now lol

Hawkeye15
09-09-2009, 03:38 PM
In today's game, without help, Jordan would go for around 42/5/5 on 50% or higher. Can't touch a guy anymore

Raps18-19 Champ
09-09-2009, 03:40 PM
OJ Mayo.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-09-2009, 03:45 PM
Shaq's career high was 29.7ppg. No one will avg 35ppg on 50% shooting because scoring is no longer the fad. Everyone wants to win now, nobody cares to be the leading scorer except guys on a bad team and those guys get so much attention they can't shoot 50%. It may happen again, but not in this generation.

Did you forget to check my stats?

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SkIrfVUqMtI/AAAAAAABzkY/Xf7f_skW1R8/s400/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

Raph12
09-09-2009, 03:49 PM
Did you forget to check my stats?

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_YODg65nll_o/SkIrfVUqMtI/AAAAAAABzkY/Xf7f_skW1R8/s400/news_lebron-james-check-my-stats-1.jpg

Lmao, this guy is just going lower and lower in my perspective, use to be one of my top 3 fav players, now he's a top 10 fav and on the decline.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-09-2009, 04:00 PM
Wait until his movie comes out.

JMKnick33
09-09-2009, 04:17 PM
Lebron. If he chills out on the 3s.

and

Dwyane Wade.

Those are about it. Oh, and Dwight can too if he learns any dominant offensive moves besides putbacks and easy dunks.

MackSnackWrap
09-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Lebron and Dwight have the best chance in my opinion

Tdots-Guido
09-09-2009, 04:41 PM
If Dwight could shoot 80% from the line and fix up a few post moves i think he could.

HiphopRelated
09-09-2009, 04:45 PM
Dwight has NO chance man..

If Dwight gets to 25 ppg in his prime he would have done well.

He just doesn't have the natural ability offensively

JMKnick33
09-09-2009, 05:06 PM
Dwight has NO chance man..

If Dwight gets to 25 ppg in his prime he would have done well.

He just doesn't have the natural ability offensively

but he DOES have the physical ability. he's only 24 and still has time to learn some post moves. he started his career as a 12ppg scorer, and is now a 21ppg scorer. 30ppg is probably a stretch, but I'm just saying that he's one of only 3 players (Lebron and Wade the other 2), to have a chance at doing the 30ppg w/ 50% shooting. Actually, I'd add Kevin Durant to the list as well.

daleja424
09-09-2009, 05:14 PM
Wade or Lebron. Wade went for 30ppg on 49.2% shooting last year (and 33 ppg and 51% in the second half). And Lebron could do it as well

heattiltheend94
09-09-2009, 05:21 PM
Probbly so in a few decades or so.
Did Chamberlain do it?

SteveNash
09-09-2009, 07:20 PM
Probbly so in a few decades or so.
Did Chamberlain do it?

Wilt did 50/50% and to be fair, Jordan never actually truly did 35/50%.

Chronz
09-09-2009, 07:28 PM
A better question would be can Durant average 35+ with 40% from 3

SteveNash
09-09-2009, 07:34 PM
A better question would be can Durant average 35+ with 40% from 3

I'd be more interested to see if Durant's win total could surpass his 3P%x100.

montazingmvp
09-10-2009, 11:57 PM
Wilt did 50/50% and to be fair, Jordan never actually truly did 35/50%.

ummm...yes he did...

where do you get your facts from?

blazerman
09-11-2009, 02:32 AM
Shaq's career high was 29.7ppg. No one will avg 35ppg on 50% shooting because scoring is no longer the fad. Everyone wants to win now, nobody cares to be the leading scorer except guys on a bad team and those guys get so much attention they can't shoot 50%. It may happen again, but not in this generation.

If Shaq could shoot freethrows he very well could have averaged 35 plus that season. I believe that was about 1994/95 (within a yr anyway) and he was about a 50 /55% FT shooter back then.

LeBron probably could if he went to NY with DAntoni's system and no real viable 2nd option in NY. Kevin Durant probably has the talent too but it's probably unlikely because the Thunder are trying to build a balanced team.

Im sure it will happen within 15 yrs from now and who knows maybe Blake Griffin becomes a superstar on the court and takes his game to another level, it could happen.

ko8e24
09-11-2009, 03:39 AM
kobe almost did it 2 or 3 years ago, he averaged 35 points but 46% FG.

35.4 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 4.5 APG, 45.0 FG%, 34.7 3pt%, 85.0 FT%

DitchDat
09-11-2009, 03:55 AM
I think Durant could pull it off. He's a natural scorer and I think he can do it, did you check his percentages from last year?

LeBron is also capable IMO

I don't think it will be done, but if it happens, it will probably be Durant or LeBron

Mavrix
09-11-2009, 03:58 AM
Who was the last guy to average 30 ppg on 50% fg?

No idea

Nowitzki averaged 25 and 9 on 50% shooting. 42% 3pt and 90% ft

I dont think any player has ever averaged atleast 50% 40% and 90%

ko8e24
09-11-2009, 04:05 AM
No idea

Nowitzki averaged 25 and 9 on 50% shooting. 42% 3pt and 90% ft

I dont think any player has ever averaged atleast 50% 40% and 90%

:confused: wtf? the question asked 30 and u responded with 25????

Mavrix
09-11-2009, 04:08 AM
:confused: wtf? the question asked 30 and u responded with 25????

No, I responded with "No idea"

Can you read?

azkarraga
09-11-2009, 05:22 AM
yeah, kobe. lol

xxxplicit69
09-11-2009, 05:34 AM
michael jordan was the last to do it...will there be another?

I feel lebron james can. I'm a huge chicago fan and believe jordan is the best, but i'm a fair sports fan too. kobe has been the closet thing to michael in this era and did drop 35.4points a game. 45% shooting though. i feel lebron can do it because he's 6'8 250 and super athlete with a very good skill set. he has the size and ability to get and create whatever shot he wants, and with the size and quickness he can get to the basket at will which of course creates higher percentage shots. when kobe did it, the 35 a game, a lot of it was from the perimeter so those are lower % shots, lebron has the size to have the inside game. also, he can get to the foul line so any shot you take while getting fouled doesnt count against your shot % unless you make the shot and get the and 1.
also with he's ability to pass, he can get double teams off him and even work to get the ball back in a better scoring position. as for dwight howard, i felt the lakers exposed him of the lack of fundamentals he has. if he had the skill set of tim duncan, along with the athletic ability he already has, then i would say he could do the 35ppg with 50% shooting easily. but he doesnt have the ability right now to get off enough quality shoots to score 35ppg. he plays the game kind of like shaq did when he was in orlando but shaq was still more tenacious, more fundamental as far as being able to play with his back toward the basket, and he was way bigger than dwight, even shaq's "smaller" days hes still over 300lbs so he could bulldoze his way to the basket and just rely on dunking on people all day. he came pretty damn close to those numbers with 29.7 and 29.9ppg with probably 55%shooting, he just shot FTs at the same % or lower which took away from his point total. :rolleyes:
but for howard, no, he's not there yet, stoudimare has a better chance at getting those numbers than howard, but lebron has the best chance out of anybody, possibly dwade cuz he goes hard to the paint too and takes high % shots.

theuuord
09-11-2009, 11:03 AM
No idea

Nowitzki averaged 25 and 9 on 50% shooting. 42% 3pt and 90% ft

I dont think any player has ever averaged atleast 50% 40% and 90%

Steve Nash has gone 50-40-90 in 3 of the last 4 years and the one year he didn't his FT was 89.9%. Of course, he's scoring 16-19 a game so it's easier for him.

DRUNKCHIKSDIGME
09-11-2009, 01:51 PM
hell-to-tha NO!!

TheMicrowave
09-11-2009, 02:04 PM
Kevin Durant

SteveNash
09-11-2009, 02:34 PM
ummm...yes he did...

where do you get your facts from?

No he didn't. I get my facts from the known stats out there.


If Shaq could shoot freethrows he very well could have averaged 35 plus that season. I believe that was about 1994/95 (within a yr anyway) and he was about a 50 /55% FT shooter back then.

Even if Shaq shot 100% on FT's he still would have been short.

JordansBulls
09-11-2009, 02:40 PM
Wilt did 50/50% and to be fair, Jordan never actually truly did 35/50%.

He averaged 35.0 ppg on 54% in 1988.

SteveNash
09-11-2009, 03:00 PM
He averaged 35.0 ppg on 54% in 1988.

He technically only averaged 34.97560... meaning he never actually reached the 35 PPG threshold.

JordansBulls
09-11-2009, 03:10 PM
He technically only averaged 34.97560... meaning he never actually reached the 35 PPG threshold.

Don't be naive he averaged 35.0. 34.95 is when you go to the next phase. It would be one thing if it was 34.7 and it was rounded up.

montazingmvp
09-11-2009, 03:10 PM
He technically only averaged 34.97560... meaning he never actually reached the 35 PPG threshold.

all one can do is laugh....:facepalm:

MiamiHeat
09-11-2009, 03:12 PM
Wade or Lebron. Wade went for 30ppg on 49.2% shooting last year (and 33 ppg and 51% in the second half). And Lebron could do it as well

wow never realized that his fg% was so good
amazing season :clap:

shooterone
09-11-2009, 04:39 PM
Probbly so in a few decades or so.
Did Chamberlain do it?

Wilt did it 4 times and came within a whisker of doing it 5

'60/'61 .509% 38.4 ppg
'61/'62 .506% 50.4 ppg
'62/'63 .528% 44.8 ppg
'63/'64 .524% 36.9 ppg
'64/'65 .510% 34.7 ppg

SteveNash
09-11-2009, 05:25 PM
Don't be naive he averaged 35.0. 34.95 is when you go to the next phase. It would be one thing if it was 34.7 and it was rounded up.

Mark Price owns the free throw record at 90.4% (.903895) do you think his record would be tied if someone averaged 90.4% (.903891)?

Taimla
09-11-2009, 06:10 PM
i belive that it might be Durant if he gets some day in hes career a good PG on his side who can make a plays for him...

Pornstar86
09-11-2009, 06:27 PM
just last season D.Wade got 30.2 ppg on 49.1% so i'd say its possible for him to do it since he has entered his prime right now

Chronz
09-11-2009, 06:40 PM
just last season D.Wade got 30.2 ppg on 49.1% so i'd say its possible for him to do it since he has entered his prime right now

Cmon man, no player will EVER average those #'s. Not because they arent good enough well yea that could be it but mostly because of the way the game has changed. You have to adjust your standards, and the way you value stats.

Wade could easily have an MJ caliber season if this coming season is the prime of his career, but even if it happens, his stats wont be remotely close to MJ's from a per game perspective, but his actual stats (translated to his era) would be.

jim51990
09-11-2009, 06:53 PM
LeBron James

theuuord
09-11-2009, 07:02 PM
Mark Price owns the free throw record at 90.4% (.903895) do you think his record would be tied if someone averaged 90.4% (.903891)?

Yeah, because the difference between those two is like 1 free throw every 250,000 attempts. that's the most insignificant thing ever.

_KB24_
09-11-2009, 08:17 PM
No to the question..

I can't believe Jordan made only 7 3s that YEAR and shot 13% from beyond the ark...

Just to compare, Kobe scored 35.4 on 45% and had made 180 3s and shot 35%...

Chronz
09-11-2009, 08:22 PM
No to the question..

I can't believe Jordan made only 7 3s that YEAR and shot 13% from beyond the ark...

Just to compare, Kobe scored 35.4 on 45% and had made 180 3s and shot 35%...

I know right, dumb Kobe shouldve stopped chucking 3's at an average rate and shot more inside the paint or from midrange........ jk but its what you get for comparing the 2

Raps18-19 Champ
09-11-2009, 08:35 PM
No big man I know could do it other than Jefferson. He is the best, young offensive big man. He can shoot the jumper from 12-15. He has the best footwork. And he has a hgood hook shot.