Raptors Fantasy Basketball 2009/2010 Thread

[LD V2.0]

PSD Raptors Fans League - Season 4 (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405282)
#1 Fantasy Basketball League @ PSD

Hello Everyone,

You have all been sent PM's regarding the upcoming fantasy season.

Review of last season and the off-season:
- Dol- Fan is the league Champ, dethroning Bob At York.
- AK-50 and Ragun have been cut from the league.
- We need to decide on how we fill these two spots.
- You need to decide on your keeper picks. To review your roster click on the recap link below...
- Links to last season:
2008/2009 Thread #1 (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=275878&highlight=yahoo)
2008/2009 Thread #2 (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288951&page=30)
2008/2009 Recap of Standings and Playoffs (http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/psdtorontoraptorsfans)
2007/2008 Recap of Standings and Playoffs (http://archive.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/2007/2886)
2006/2007 Recap of Standings and Playoffs (http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/psdtorontoraptorsfans/2006)



2009 Draft Rules
1.) All current owners are allowed to keep no more than two players on their current roster. Its their choice on whether they want to keep two, one or no players.

2.) For every player an owner keeps, they lose a draft pick. If an owner keeps one player they lose their 1st round pick. It the owner keeps two players they lose their 1st and 2nd round picks.

3.) All new owners begin the draft in the first round just like any ordinary league. Only the keeper picks will be off limits.

4.) The deadline for keeper selection will be determined when the draft date is set.

5.) Post keeper picks in here or PM me. You may use a "keeper tag" on a player no more than two consecutive times.

[LD V2.0]

DRAFT ORDER:
* As per the inverted standings.
* Keepers in RED.
* (#) indicates draft round.
* F indicates the second consecutive use or in other words, the final allowed use of a "keeper tag" on a player.

1. Bob At York
2. The Wise - LeBron James (1)
3. Star
4. Ramon Nivar
5. Conway429
6. LD V2.0 - Kevin Durant (1) & Dwight Howard (2)
7. Greg_Ory_2005 - Dirk Nowitzki F(1)
8. JermanJaysFan - Dwayne Wade (1)
9. HalladayMVP
10. JayzTO
11. Macedonian
12. Dol-Fan
13. Empty
14. Empty

[Bob_at_york]

I came in last? that sucks. :(

[LD V2.0]

I came in last? that sucks. :(

Last year, yes. This year you have the #1 pick. Best to look only forward on this one Bob. :)

[The Wise 1]

Dam, tanking didnt really help me with my draft spot. it would of been nice to get Lebron a little later and have a high 2nd round pick :(

I'll keep Lebron. Still thinking bout Duncan.

[LD V2.0]

Dam, tanking didnt really help me with my draft spot. it would of been nice to get Lebron a little later and have a high 2nd round pick :(

I'll keep Lebron. Still thinking bout Duncan.

Well you get the 2nd overall pick ion the 3rd round. That's really where all the action begins in a keeper league. I'm liking my draft position...I only wish I could have won a few more games and made the playoffs last year. Drafting in the middle would have had more meaning then.

[greg_ory_2005]

I'll keep Dirk..will decide later if I choose a 2nd player.

[Bob_at_york]

5.) Post keeper picks in here or PM me. You may keep a player no more than two consecutive seasons.
So does that mean you can only "keep" a player once?

[LD V2.0]

So does that mean you can only "keep" a player once?

Good point. The wording was slightly off but fixed now.



5.) Post keeper picks in here or PM me. You may use a "keeper tag" on a player no more than two consecutive times.

[LD V2.0]

The league has been created and email invites have been distributed. Same rules and roster numbers as last year. Please use your PSD name as your team name. Do not give the password to anyone. I'll delete anyone from the league who I don't know.

[star]

Dam, tanking didnt really help me with my draft spot. it would of been nice to get Lebron a little later and have a high 2nd round pick :(

I'll keep Lebron. Still thinking bout Duncan.

i dont know .... not much respect for a guy that purposely tanks ... really we should put a rule in to avoid this in the future .... its a pretty ****** thing to do when it comes to sportsmanship ...

[star]

Just a question ... if we "keep" a player ... does that mean that they are automatically my first pick ...

IE. Say i was going to "keep" 2 players Granger(1st pick); Nene(2nd pick) - can release granger and use 1st pick on someone else - but keep my second best player (nene) as pick 2?

Like i understand it would be gay if i could take Granger (my best player) and move him to the 2nd round .... but since i am letting my best player go - i think it makes sense to be able to keep my second best player at round 2.

Because - this would mean that in order to keep your second best player (at 2nd round) you automatically have to keep the best ranked guy (number 1) or else you lose out ... cause im not gonna pick nene 3rd overall ....

[JermanJaysFan]

Just a question ... if we "keep" a player ... does that mean that they are automatically my first pick ...

IE. Say i was going to "keep" 2 players Granger(1st pick); Nene(2nd pick) - can release granger and use 1st pick on someone else - but keep my second best player (nene) as pick 2?

Like i understand it would be gay if i could take Granger (my best player) and move him to the 2nd round .... but since i am letting my best player go - i think it makes sense to be able to keep my second best player at round 2.

Because - this would mean that in order to keep your second best player (at 2nd round) you automatically have to keep the best ranked guy (number 1) or else you lose out ... cause im not gonna pick nene 3rd overall ....

Pretty sure you can't...

[JermanJaysFan]

I'm keeping Wade, by the way.

[LD V2.0]

i dont know .... not much respect for a guy that purposely tanks ... really we should put a rule in to avoid this in the future .... its a pretty ****** thing to do when it comes to sportsmanship ...

Good point star. Its a rule that probably should have been spelled out in the past. Currently we have a rule that if you're not active you get cut. But let's make it more clear, no tanking allowed and if its proven the punishment will be that you're cut from the league. Anything that happened in the past doesn't apply to this new rule.


Just a question ... if we "keep" a player ... does that mean that they are automatically my first pick ...

IE. Say i was going to "keep" 2 players Granger(1st pick); Nene(2nd pick) - can release granger and use 1st pick on someone else - but keep my second best player (nene) as pick 2?

Like i understand it would be gay if i could take Granger (my best player) and move him to the 2nd round .... but since i am letting my best player go - i think it makes sense to be able to keep my second best player at round 2.

Because - this would mean that in order to keep your second best player (at 2nd round) you automatically have to keep the best ranked guy (number 1) or else you lose out ... cause im not gonna pick nene 3rd overall ....

You get two keeper tags:

Keeper tag one = 1st round pick
Keeper tag two = 2nd round pick

Its that simple. If you use both tags you forfeit your first two picks. There are no loop holes here to exploit. Tags are not reusable and you cannot use the second keeper tag(only used in the second round) unless you use your first keeper tag. Who's the "best player" is open to interpretation and we're not going there star. If you want to keep your second best player then use your first keeper tag and forfeit your 1st rounder.

[LD V2.0]

I am waiting for everyone from last year to register. I will send out another email to the league on Friday asking that you all register. I will set a deadline for this. After that we will determine how many slots are vacant(Two right now) and then we will vote on the seven current potential candidates I have, to decide who gets an invitation to join us. This will all be done privately through PMs.

[Bob_at_york]

Good point star. Its a rule that probably should have been spelled out in the past. Currently we have a rule that if you're not active you get cut. But let's make it more clear, no tanking allowed and if its proven the punishment will be that you're cut from the league. Anything that happened in the past doesn't apply to this new rule.
what is the definition of "tanking"? Let's say I am in 12th place and you are in 7th place. If I have Bargs (ranked 25) and TJ Ford (ranked 52) and I trade them for Dwight Howard (ranked #5 but has an injury and is done for the season), am I tanking? I am trying to get a possible keeper for next season. My team will tank losing the two above players, would I be kicked out of the league?

[LD V2.0]

what is the definition of "tanking"?

I would define "tanking" as:

A.) Purposely dropping healthy well ranked players for nobodies. Grabbing an injured Agent 0 would not be tanking. It would be obvious that a claim such as that was done for keeper reasons, not in an attempt to tank games. If a guy filled his roster with injured players then one would have to present that to the league for review...
B.) Purposely not starting players.
C.) Admitting that you tanked.

And we need to be reasonable. Someone might miss a week for what ever reason and not update their roster or/and someone might add a few guys they are good enough to be potential keepers but are injured but that doesn't mean they're making a play for the top draft pick. I'm talking about blatantly obvious tanking. Again, this would have to be proven and it would require a league vote at season end. I have no problem booting someone at the end of the season who hasn't updated their roster since December but I am not deciding on this sort of thing by myself.


Let's say I am in 12th place and you are in 7th place. If I have Bargs (ranked 25) and TJ Ford (ranked 52) and I trade them for Dwight Howard (ranked #5 but has an injury and is done for the season), am I tanking? I am trying to get a possible keeper for next season. My team will tank losing the two above players, would I be kicked out of the league?

Bad trades should be vetoed by the league if they really are bad. If they make it past the league then you can't deem dealing good players for an injured player as "tanking" because the league had a chance to stop it and did not act. That should take precedence.

[star]

Good point star. Its a rule that probably should have been spelled out in the past. Currently we have a rule that if you're not active you get cut. But let's make it more clear, no tanking allowed and if its proven the punishment will be that you're cut from the league. Anything that happened in the past doesn't apply to this new rule.



You get two keeper tags:

Keeper tag one = 1st round pick
Keeper tag two = 2nd round pick

Its that simple. If you use both tags you forfeit your first two picks. There are no loop holes here to exploit. Tags are not reusable and you cannot use the second keeper tag(only used in the second round) unless you use your first keeper tag. Who's the "best player" is open to interpretation and we're not going there star. If you want to keep your second best player then use your first keeper tag and forfeit your 1st rounder.


ok sure .... when is the final day to tag my players if i so chose?

[LD V2.0]

Another option would be to hold a lotto for the pick selection for teams outside the playoffs. Every manager gets one "ball". This way the manager who finished last has no better chance at the top pick than the manager who finished fifth last.

I'm probably going to draft a "rules page" in the first post on page one over the weekend to to make everything clear. When I do this I would love input from you guys to make it better than the first attempt I make.



ok sure .... when is the final day to tag my players if i so chose?

Two days before the draft. I would like time to prep the draft.

[Bob_at_york]

Another option would be to hold a lotto for the pick selection for teams outside the playoffs. Every manager gets one "ball". This way the manager who finished last has no better chance at the top pick than the manager who finished fifth last.
I thought the draft would be random either way. I didn't expect to get the first pick. If we just make it random then there would be no purpose to tanking.

[LD V2.0]

I thought the draft would be random either way. I didn't expect to get the first pick. If we just make it random then there would be no purpose to tanking.

We didn't do it that way last year or the year before that and things worked well.

[Bob_at_york]

We didn't do it that way last year or the year before that and things worked well.

I guess, I am just unsure if there is a lot of benefits in a "keeper" league.

[LD V2.0]

I feel it makes it more interesting, adds some history and as we've seen with this league, it creates better competition with time than just tossing out league for everybody and anybody to join. The first year I ran this we had a lot of guys quitting on it well before the season was over and last year we only had 2 out of 14 do that. People keep trying because they want back in the next year and on top of that we've accumulated a lot of smart, highly competitive managers. Last year we had the toughest league I've ever played in and I've been doing this since '03 in multiple leagues each year. If you want a highly competitive league year after year then keeper is the way to go unless there's money on the line. Keeper leagues are more about keeping good managers in the game than the players they get to carry over, that's just a reward for staying in the game year after year. What are you're thoughts on that?

[star]

I guess, I am just unsure if there is a lot of benefits in a "keeper" league.

i think that we can improve this league.

We can all agree that for the most part we are all avid basketball fans and the purpose is to have along term league so we can "flex our GM abilities"

I think we should put more emphasis on our teams long term.

I see 2 ways to do this ....

1. We know that the league is not won with the top 2 - 3 picks but with the latter round picks ... i propose that nobody can protect the top 2 ranked players on their team (based on yahoo rankings) - so all of these players go back into the pool. but can protect up to 8 of their other players. This way when we draft we mark off whoever is gone (protected) and we all add the balance of the roster. In the beggining rounds we will all be picking superstars (kobe, lebrons) but this way each year a different person gets a different superstar - PLUS ... we can build a team identity ... - IE. if i have a historically great rebounding team i can maintain this by protecting alot of great mid round rebounders. It will also make trades more significant as we are playing for a roster for the LONG term and i WONT want to dump 3 mid round guys (55 - 60 + 70) for a superstar because then next year i am screwed cause i cant "protect" the superstar - this actually becomes like a rental player thing - as i would ONLY do this if i am top 4 team and want to make a championship push.

2. We are all allowed to protect any 6 guys on our roster - indefinitely. Therefore - yes whoever gets lebron has an advantage for a long time. BUT it will put more emphasis on drafting rookies (for example beasley - i have him but i didnt really get to watch him grow - if i could protect him for the next 2 - 3 years - he might be a great fantasy player) AND it will cause us to try to trade our vets to a contender for some young talent.


in the end - my points are to try to make "keeper" league more meaningful ... instead of just drafting then trading everyone at the end for 1 superstar. I feel like at the end of last season nobody cared about the makeup of their roster except for their top 2 guys.

[LD V2.0]

i think that we can improve this league.

We can all agree that for the most part we are all avid basketball fans and the purpose is to have along term league so we can "flex our GM abilities"

I think we should put more emphasis on our teams long term.

I see 2 ways to do this ....

1. We know that the league is not won with the top 2 - 3 picks but with the latter round picks ... i propose that nobody can protect the top 2 ranked players on their team (based on yahoo rankings) - so all of these players go back into the pool. but can protect up to 8 of their other players. This way when we draft we mark off whoever is gone (protected) and we all add the balance of the roster. In the beggining rounds we will all be picking superstars (kobe, lebrons) but this way each year a different person gets a different superstar - PLUS ... we can build a team identity ... - IE. if i have a historically great rebounding team i can maintain this by protecting alot of great mid round rebounders. It will also make trades more significant as we are playing for a roster for the LONG term and i WONT want to dump 3 mid round guys (55 - 60 + 70) for a superstar because then next year i am screwed cause i cant "protect" the superstar - this actually becomes like a rental player thing - as i would ONLY do this if i am top 4 team and want to make a championship push.

2. We are all allowed to protect any 6 guys on our roster - indefinitely. Therefore - yes whoever gets lebron has an advantage for a long time. BUT it will put more emphasis on drafting rookies (for example beasley - i have him but i didnt really get to watch him grow - if i could protect him for the next 2 - 3 years - he might be a great fantasy player) AND it will cause us to try to trade our vets to a contender for some young talent.


in the end - my points are to try to make "keeper" league more meaningful ... instead of just drafting then trading everyone at the end for 1 superstar. I feel like at the end of last season nobody cared about the makeup of their roster except for their top 2 guys.

I don't really like either option. Its too complicated. I think the way we're doing it is fine. I'm up for changing how draft order is decided but I'm not revamping the whole league like that...For the most part the way this league is run is similar to other keeper leagues at PSD and standard keeper leagues(2-3 keepers) you would see anywhere. If teams are allowed to keep half their rosters new managers won't stand a chance. Its not fair, a manager can ride the coattail of one good draft into the unforeseen future rather than having to put his knowledge to the test each year. Keep your drafting skills sharp star because that's too drastic and won't fly here. :)

P.S. I don't remember people dumping half their roster for one guy. All the trades were deemed fair by the majority of the league or they would not have gone through.

[LD V2.0]

FYI,

Based on the little response to do with deciding new members I've decided to go ahead and bypass this vote and send out invites to two people who deserve an invite:

- Mile High Champ
- Swoop

If you don't like this idea then let me know. I'm all ears.

I've also sent out PM's to the four remaining members who have yet to register. If one of them isn't coming back I have another person(s) ready to take their spot(s) as well.

[Macedonian]

Hi guys... Glad to see you again!:)

I've decided to go ahead and bypass this vote and send out invites to two people who deserve an invite:

- Mile High Champ
- SwoopIs there any criteria for choosing Mile High Champ and Swoop? Or just a personal opinion?
I'm definitely OK with Mile High Champ because of his more than 6,500 posts so far, but there are also some other guys with lot of posts, noticeable activity, and good behavior... eg. Gibby (1,797 posts), pebloemer (1,724 posts), deaner (1,754 posts), Jays Claw (1,295 posts), td0tsfinest (2,059 posts) etc.

Was there any public invitation for the league?

[star]

Hi guys... Glad to see you again!:)
Is there any criteria for choosing Mile High Champ and Swoop? Or just a personal opinion?
I'm definitely OK with Mile High Champ because of his more than 6,500 posts so far, but there are also some other guys with lot of posts, noticeable activity, and good behavior... eg. Gibby (1,797 posts), pebloemer (1,724 posts), deaner (1,754 posts), Jays Claw (1,295 posts), td0tsfinest (2,059 posts) etc.

Was there any public invitation for the league?

i think swoop is LD's alter ego ;) j/k

i agree with mace though ... i would like one of the regulars in the forums - but i am sure HAD they shown interest LD would have taken them ... maybe they dont want to play

[Halladay]

I will once again be in it if my spot hasn't been taken yet.

[JermanJaysFan]

I think MHC is an obvious choice. But Swoop? Don't know much about him aside from the meager 238 posts.

[Macedonian]

But Swoop? Don't know much about him aside from the meager 238 posts.He's a member of PSD since two months ago... Enough time to learn "much about him"!:)

[star]

did we set a draft day and time yet?

[Bob_at_york]

did we set a draft day and time yet?

there is one listed on the league website. I kindof assumed that was it.

[LD V2.0]

Guys,

I thought about doing the vote but you all have been hard to get responses from for anything I've sent out yet. I make a judgment call on a couple people and suddenly everybody has an opinion. ;)

Here's the deal. I was talking to Swoop through PMs and the guy sounds like he highly active in these sorts of leagues. He plays four a year.



I'm definitely OK with Mile High Champ because of his more than 6,500 posts so far, but there are also some other guys with lot of posts, noticeable activity, and good behavior... eg. Gibby (1,797 posts), pebloemer (1,724 posts), deaner (1,754 posts), Jays Claw (1,295 posts), td0tsfinest (2,059 posts) etc.

Was there any public invitation for the league?

No public invitations were sent. The only new guys you'll see on the league page so far is MHC and Swoop.


i think swoop is LD's alter ego ;) j/k

i agree with mace though ... i would like one of the regulars in the forums - but i am sure HAD they shown interest LD would have taken them ... maybe they dont want to play

MHC, Swoop, Gibby, Goon.Weezy, jsumadchat, koreancabbage, secterm and td0tsfinest showed interest in the league.


I think MHC is an obvious choice. But Swoop? Don't know much about him aside from the meager 238 posts.

He's a member of PSD since two months ago... Enough time to learn "much about him"!:)

The common theme seems to be "LD, why the hell are you adding guys who haven't been at PSD that long?"

We have three options.

A.) Toss MHC and Swoop from the league and vote on who gets in based on the list provided above.
B.) Toss Swoop from the league and do the vote.
C.) Keep it as is.

Its a free league and I don't think either scenario is going to be life altering to anyone involved so let me know. If I have to do a "my bad" to MHC and Swoop and call the vote then I will do it and do it with an apology. If we do the vote mine are going to these two guys obviously. I was trying to get the teams wrapped up by making a couple good picks for the league. I just see a vote failing because no one responds to anything for some reason. Everybody on vacation? I'm glad I called a late draft date...


I will once again be in it if my spot hasn't been taken yet.

Then register. Only you and JayzTO remain as returning members yet to register. I would really like to have a set in stone number of free spots.

[JermanJaysFan]

Guys,

I thought about doing the vote but you all have been hard to get responses from for anything I've sent out yet. I make a judgment call on a couple people and suddenly everybody has an opinion. ;)

Here's the deal. I was talking to Swoop through PMs and the guy sounds like he highly active in these sorts of leagues. He plays four a year.



No public invitations were sent. The only new guys you'll see on the league page so far is MHC and Swoop.



MHC, Swoop, Gibby, Goon.Weezy, jsumadchat, koreancabbage, secterm and td0tsfinest showed interest in the league.




The common theme seems to be "LD, why the hell are you adding guys who haven't been at PSD that long?"

We have three options.

A.) Toss MHC and Swoop from the league and vote on who gets in based on the list provided above.
B.) Toss Swoop from the league and do the vote.
C.) Keep it as is.

Its a free league and I don't think either scenario is going to be life altering to anyone involved so let me know. If I have to do a "my bad" to MHC and Swoop and call the vote then I will do it and do it with an apology. If we do the vote mine are going to these two guys obviously. I was trying to get the teams wrapped up by making a couple good picks for the league. I just see a vote failing because no one responds to anything for some reason. Everybody on vacation? I'm glad I called a late draft date...



Then register. Only you and JayzTO remain as returning members yet to register. I would really like to have a set in stone number of free spots.

I'm fine with those guys. I guess I was just surprised that no more established posters were lining up to get in the league. But yeah, I don't really care.

[LD V2.0]

Good. So we have two open spots and two outstanding returning invites to JayzTO and HalladayMVP. I've sent them both numerous messages. I will send them both one last PM and one last email. If they don't respond by this time next week they're cut and we'll decide on their replacements.

[The Wise 1]

Just looked at the time for draft day. How do I change my time zone to eastern? If im converting the time right, it should be 12:30. Correct?

[LD V2.0]

10:30 mountain = 12:30 Eastern.

Weird, I figured Yahoo would pick up your settings and change it to your timezone.

[LD V2.0]

1. Bob At York
2. The Wise - LeBron James (1)
3. Star
4. Ramon Nivar
5. Conway429
6. LD V2.0 - Kevin Durant (1) & Dwight Howard (2)
7. Greg_Ory_2005 - Dirk Nowitzki F(1)
8. JermanJaysFan - Dwayne Wade (1)
9. Macedonian
10. Dol-Fanhttp://www.cool-smileys.com/images/108.gif



Most people have not sent me keeper picks yet...

[Dol-Fan]

My keeper pick is someone dependent on what everyone else is doing. Deron is in that range where, if everyone is keeping high ranked players, I may want to hold on to him, if not, I'll take my luck in the draft. Being below everyone else in the draft, I don't think it would be a good idea to decide just yet.

[LD V2.0]

The draft is in one week. The deadline I placed on JayzTO and HalladayMVP has passed and after countless messages neither has responded. They're out.

Invitations have been sent to secterm and td0tsfinest. Once they register the league will be full.


My keeper pick is someone dependent on what everyone else is doing. Deron is in that range where, if everyone is keeping high ranked players, I may want to hold on to him, if not, I'll take my luck in the draft. Being below everyone else in the draft, I don't think it would be a good idea to decide just yet.

I hear you. There will be some big time names available but for me personally, I'm not doing better than Durant and Howard. Those two are both arguably top five picks this season.

[td0tsfinest]

hey the draft order's been changed from 'custom to random'; does that mean we're not playing with "keeper picks" as well?

[LD V2.0]

There are keepers for those who want to use keeper tags on players they had last season. I will be arranging the draft later this week when I get a chance to do it... It's not a fast process. It will be a snaking draft based on the inverted standings of last season. All new managers draft last in round one and then as its a snaking draft, they will be among the first to draft in round two. That way its fair.

[LD V2.0]

UPDATE: Yahoo has made changes to its commish tool page. Setting up keepers and the order took very little time. The order is set. It was decided based on:

1.) Inverted standings
2.) The order in which new members joined the league.

CLICK HERE TO VIEW DRAFT ORDER AND KEEPERS (http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/97879/draftresults)

If you need to update your keepers in any way please do so ASAP by PMing me or through email. New members don't get keepers because they've had no roster to date... Please review the above page to insure I have not made a mistake in assigning you a keeper.

EDIT:

hey the draft order's been changed from 'custom to random'; does that mean we're not playing with "keeper picks" as well?

I'm not sure how he did it but it looks like sectum was responsible for that...I'm the only person with commish privileges so that's interesting...Regardless, the draft is set now.

[Bob_at_york]

I probably won't have any keepers.

[secterm]

I'm not sure how he did it but it looks like sectum was responsible for that...I'm the only person with commish privileges so that's interesting...Regardless, the draft is set now.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about but I think you guys are referring to me and i didn't change anything. All I did was sign up when I got an invite...nothing else.

[LD V2.0]

It doesn't really matter because at the time I had not set the draft up yet but if you go here:

http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/97879/transactions

"Oct 10 9:17pm Draft Order changed from 'custom' to 'random' secterm"

Maybe it was where we had an odd number of teams after you joined and Yahoo actually changed the setting because of it and then linked it to your name? I don't know but again it doesn't matter because we have a full league now and the draft is set up and just waiting for us to start on Saturday.

[LD V2.0]

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[secterm]

It doesn't really matter because at the time I had not set the draft up yet but if you go here:

http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/97879/transactions

"Oct 10 9:17pm Draft Order changed from 'custom' to 'random' secterm"

Maybe it was where we had an odd number of teams after you joined and Yahoo actually changed the setting because of it and then linked it to your name? I don't know but again it doesn't matter because we have a full league now and the draft is set up and just waiting for us to start on Saturday.

Yeah, I see what you are talking about. Maybe I triggered something when I signed up.

[The Wise 1]

nvm

[greg_ory_2005]

Draft tomorrow!

[LD V2.0]

I'm ready...For the third round. I have a loooong wait for my first real pick.

[Bob_at_york]

I am helping my brother move tomorrow, i may not make it.

[Dol-Fan]

This is the first time I've actually showed up for a live draft. You should all be scared, since my makeshift team won this league last year ;) Should I be able to see anything in the draft room yet, or will something come up closer to 12:30?

[Dol-Fan]

Am I the only one who isn't seeing a draft? :confused:

[greg_ory_2005]

The draft isn't working for me, for some reason. :(

[LD V2.0]

greg, did you get in there after? The draft is over now. Good turnout.

[greg_ory_2005]

Well, my team looks pretty decent.

[secterm]

My team is good, but there weren't as many steals as there were in some of the other drafts I'm in. Other guys were on top of them. I think Morrow is a bit of a steal, Nocioni too. I almost got Gooden pretty low, which had me pumped until someone grabbed him.

[The Wise 1]

anyone looking for a big? i need a 2 guard and if he can play the 1 also, thats a plus.

[LD V2.0]

Yeah, I hear you. We always have a great group of people in this league. I think Curry and Bell have potential to be steals for me.

I am interested in dealing though....Mostly for bench players.

[secterm]

How about Randolph and Salmons for Scola and Rondo. 4th and 7th rounders for 5th and 6th rounders. Gives you a SG in Salmons, and will Gorden gone, Salmons will pick up the slack even more. And we all know what Randolph will be up to. The kid might be good enough to even become a keeper in next years draft, I expect close to 20 and 10 and some other goodies from him.

[The Wise 1]

I appreciate the offer but no. I also cannot give up Rondo in any trade.

Big for SG or SG/PG

[swoop]

I have lots of guards. High asking price though.

[greg_ory_2005]

anyone looking for a big? i need a 2 guard and if he can play the 1 also, thats a plus.

I need a big, and have lots of guards. :D

[The Wise 1]

Secterm, is Richardson available for a big?

[secterm]

Secterm, is Richardson available for a big?

I suppose I would do J Rich for Lopez. Both guys are rated in the 30's when it comes to draft picks. Is this what you had in mind?

[secterm]

I need a big, and have lots of guards. :D

I'll do Ben Gorden for Anthony Randolph...that's a VERY fair deal.

[greg_ory_2005]

I'll do Ben Gorden for Anthony Randolph...that's a VERY fair deal.

No thanks. I'm looking for more of a C anyways.

[secterm]

I need a big, and have lots of guards. :D


I'll do Ben Gorden for Anthony Randolph...that's a VERY fair deal.

-

[greg_ory_2005]

Naw, KG is definitely slowing down these days. Same could probably be said for AI.

[secterm]

Naw, KG is definitely slowing down these days. Same could probably be said for AI.

You big on Aldridge? I am.

[Macedonian]

I'm open for trades, guys...

Available players:
Jose Calderon
Josh Smith
Anderson Varejao
DeMar DeRozan
Drew Gooden
...
and everyone else!

[secterm]

I'm open for trades, guys...

Available players:
Jose Calderon
Josh Smith
Anderson Varejao
DeMar DeRozan
Drew Gooden
...
and everyone else!

Target some guys on my team and we can round out some ideas

[Bob_at_york]

anyone looking for a big? i need a 2 guard and if he can play the 1 also, thats a plus.

I need a big.

[td0tsfinest]

I got a bunch of bigs as well; looking for a 2 guard

[JermanJaysFan]

I slept through the ****ing draft.

****.

[LD V2.0]

Your team doesn't look bad though. Consider yourself lucky. :)

[Dol-Fan]

I'm fairly even in terms of guards/forwards/centres but I'm definitely open to all trades, so anyone send over some offers if you're interested in my players.

[greg_ory_2005]

Looking for PG's. Looking to deal some of my SG's/SF's. Offer me a trade, and maybe we can work something out.

[Macedonian]

I need a big.Bob, do you want Bosh + T.J. Ford + Varejao for Chris Paul + Noah + Barnes?

My 1st, 8th, and 12th pick... for your 1st, 9th, and 13th pick!

[Bob_at_york]

Bob, do you want CB + Jose + Varejao for Chris Paul + Noah + Barnes?

My 1st, 2nd, and 12th pick... for your 1st, 9th, and 13th pick!

send me the offer and I will think about it but I don't know if that helps me from a C standpoint.

[The Wise 1]

I have been thinking about trading Lebron for a sg/sg's. Or any of my bigs not named Lopez.

So if anyone wants to get rid of some guards or a guard for Lebron or some bigs/a big. Let me hear some offers.

[LD V2.0]

Are you interested in Durant?

[The Wise 1]

Yes, however I would prefer someone to offer me up 2 respectable sg's for lebron and a lesser player.

But a lebron for durant as the main pieces can get done. Do you need a C?

[secterm]

Anyone interested in trades, send me some targets (PM or on this thread) that you have on my roster and put down the names of any untouchables on your roster. I have no untouchables on my roster and the position I need most is PG.

BELOW IS MY ROSTER

PG Mario Chalmers (Mia - PG)
SG Jason Richardson (Pho - SG,SF)
G John Salmons (Chi - SG,SF)
SF Trevor Ariza (Hou - SF)
PF Anthony Randolph (GS - PF)
F Kevin Garnett (Bos - PF)
C Al Jefferson (Min - PF,C)
C LaMarcus Aldridge (Por - PF,C)
Util Allen Iverson (Mem - PG,SG)INJ
Util Ronnie Brewer (Uta - SG,SF)
BN Anthony Morrow (GS - SG,SF)
BN Derek Fisher (LAL - PG)
BN Andres Nocioni (Sac - SF,PF)
BN Rafer Alston (NJ - PG)
BN Terrence Williams (NJ - SG,SF,PF)

[The Wise 1]

Secterm, my bad. he is available.

[JermanJaysFan]

Why the hell does DeRozan have PF eligibility on Yahoo!?

[Macedonian]

JermanJaysFan, you seriously offered me your 9-round for my 3rd round pick?:)
Or you're just trying?:) In any case!:)

[JermanJaysFan]

JermanJaysFan, you seriously offered me your 9-round for my 3rd round pick?:)
Or you're just trying?:) In any case!:)

Haha that trade was a mistake. I was thinking about proposing something for Smith, but couldn't come up with something I liked. I hit continue instead of cancel. I figured I'd leave it, just in case :p.

[Bob_at_york]

Why the hell does DeRozan have PF eligibility on Yahoo!?

he spits hot fire? :shrug:

[LD V2.0]

My guys keep getting hurt...

[secterm]

people need to be offering up trades left and right. It's what keeps these league entertaining.

[Macedonian]

people need to be offering up trades left and right. It's what keeps these league entertaining.Send me an offer...

Anthony Randolph, Chalmers, and Ariza are the players I'm interested in!

[Bob_at_york]

people need to be offering up trades left and right. It's what keeps these league entertaining.

sorry I am not here to entertain, I am here to win.

[Dol-Fan]

sorry I am not here to entertain, I am here to win.

jeeze I hope so after your dismal performance last year :laugh2:

[Macedonian]

I need a big.Bob, 4 days since I sent an offer to you... What do you think about my offer?
I could include Gortat as well (if you want)...

Bosh + Jose + Varejao + Gortat for Chris Paul + Noah + Barnes?

[secterm]

Bob, 4 days since I sent an offer to you... What do you think about my offer?
I could include Gortat as well (if you want)...

Bosh + Jose + Varejao + Gortat for Chris Paul + Noah + Barnes?

That deal seems pretty reasonable.

ANYWAYS,
BELOW IS MY ROSTER

PG Mario Chalmers (Mia - PG)
SG Jason Richardson (Pho - SG,SF)
G John Salmons (Chi - SG,SF)
SF Trevor Ariza (Hou - SF)
PF Anthony Randolph (GS - PF)
F Kevin Garnett (Bos - PF)
C Al Jefferson (Min - PF,C)
C LaMarcus Aldridge (Por - PF,C)
Util Allen Iverson (Mem - PG,SG)INJ
Util Ronnie Brewer (Uta - SG,SF)
BN Anthony Morrow (GS - SG,SF)
BN Derek Fisher (LAL - PG)
BN Andres Nocioni (Sac - SF,PF)
BN Rafer Alston (NJ - PG)
BN Terrence Williams (NJ - SG,SF,PF)

I am open for offers on my frontcourt as a have KG, Randolph, Al Jeff, and Aldridge, all very high picks and all studs.

If someone is interested in any one or two of these bigs, then make me a good offer. But please don't offer me a 4th or 5th rounder for a 2nd rounder, or something like that. If it is fair trade value, I will give it alot of consideration.

[LD V2.0]

jeeze I hope so after your dismal performance last year :laugh2:

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/running_on_fire.jpg

[secterm]

BTW, does anyone know how trades work when you give or take more players. EG. 4 players for 3 players. Do you keep the extra you on the bench?

[conway429]

no, you'll have to drop someone... i think.

[conway429]

I need a big.

yeah i sent you a deal offering a F for a G like a week ago...
Swoop just offered me Raymond Felton for Jason Kidd.. wtf

[swoop]

yeah i sent you a deal offering a F for a G like a week ago...
Swoop just offered me Raymond Felton for Jason Kidd.. wtf

Yeah I sure did Conway. It was obviously to stop you from making your silly trade offers. If you would like to show those as well, then everyone might understand.

[swoop]

Sorry Conway, I received a previous offer that was really dumb and thought it was from you as well , it also wanted D.Lee included. Though your 'Okur for Lee' is pretty poor to boot.

[conway429]

I don't know how 'poor' you can call it. It's the 49th ranked player for the 48th.
But fair enough, I'd rather have Lee so I know what you mean.

[Bob_at_york]

Bob, 4 days since I sent an offer to you... What do you think about my offer?
I could include Gortat as well (if you want)...

Bosh + Jose + Varejao + Gortat for Chris Paul + Noah + Barnes?

I will try to get back to everyone tonight. I haven't had a lot of time lately. I can't check the fantasy teams while at work (which is where I am right now) but I will make time to get back to all of you.

[swoop]

I guess by 'poor' I meant that it would not possibly interest me. Too many times in these pools, guys just look at what they'd want off your roster and offer anything. If it doesn't help me, why would I trade just to make one ? In the other offer I received, I would give up a SG and a PF/C for a SG and a C, each of lesser value. If I'm trading C for C there has to be something to help me too. Like I said I thought you made the other one too Conway. If someone persists with poor offers, I make a really stupid one back.

[secterm]

Some people make silly trade offers but some of us are pretty reasonable and not just wasting time. Conway has been active on the trade front and we just made a Blockbuster deal including the likes of Al Jefferson and J Kidd. I think that becomes obvious before long which people are trying to steal your players and which people are open to truly negotiate reasonable deals. It is very satisfying coming to an agreement on a deal after negotiating a bit, cause it shows that both guys are on a similar wave length.

[Dol-Fan]

I'm open to all offers guys, no untouchables. I wouldn't mind getting a little more versatility since a lot of my guys are strictly one position players. I'd like to take on another PG though.

send me a trade and I'm willing to negotiate.

[secterm]

I'm open to all offers guys, no untouchables. I wouldn't mind getting a little more versatility since a lot of my guys are strictly one position players. I'd like to take on another PG though.

send me a trade and I'm willing to negotiate.

Who do you like on my roster?

PG Mario Chalmers (Mia - PG)
SG Jason Richardson (Pho - SG,SF)
G John Salmons (Chi - SG,SF)
SF Trevor Ariza (Hou - SF)
PF Anthony Randolph (GS - PF)
F Kevin Garnett (Bos - PF)
C Al Jefferson (Min - PF,C)
C LaMarcus Aldridge (Por - PF,C)
Util Allen Iverson (Mem - PG,SG)INJ
Util Ronnie Brewer (Uta - SG,SF)
BN Anthony Morrow (GS - SG,SF)
BN Derek Fisher (LAL - PG)
BN Andres Nocioni (Sac - SF,PF)
BN Rafer Alston (NJ - PG)
BN Terrence Williams (NJ - SG,SF,PF)

Keep in mind I don't have Brewer, Al Jeff, and AI but I do have Charlie V, J Kidd and Kryptonate (Nate Robinson).

[Dol-Fan]

Who do you like on my roster?

PG Mario Chalmers (Mia - PG)
SG Jason Richardson (Pho - SG,SF)
G John Salmons (Chi - SG,SF)
SF Trevor Ariza (Hou - SF)
PF Anthony Randolph (GS - PF)
F Kevin Garnett (Bos - PF)
C Al Jefferson (Min - PF,C)
C LaMarcus Aldridge (Por - PF,C)
Util Allen Iverson (Mem - PG,SG)INJ
Util Ronnie Brewer (Uta - SG,SF)
BN Anthony Morrow (GS - SG,SF)
BN Derek Fisher (LAL - PG)
BN Andres Nocioni (Sac - SF,PF)
BN Rafer Alston (NJ - PG)
BN Terrence Williams (NJ - SG,SF,PF)

Keep in mind I don't have Brewer, Al Jeff, and AI but I do have Charlie V, J Kidd and Kryptonate (Nate Robinson).

Kidd, Salmons and Aldridge to an extent, I would have made you an offer earlier but our teams are constructed fairly similarly so it's a little difficult, lots of athletic bigs and swingmen but no PGs. If you can figure something out I'm willing to try and get it done though.

[JermanJaysFan]

I'm pretty deep in terms of guards, most of them combo guards: Wade, Ellis, Mo Williams, Barbosa and Sessions.

I don't see myself trading Wade, and I probably place a higher value on Ellis than you do. The other guys are gettable, but truth be told, I like my team pretty well. I won't say no to a good offer though.

[The Wise 1]

wade for lebron. do it!

[Dol-Fan]

PG Chris Duhon (NY - PG)
SG O.J. Mayo (Mem - SG)
G Manu Ginobili (SA - SG)
SF Carmelo Anthony (Den - SF)
PF Amar'e Stoudemire (Pho - PF, C)
F Kevin Love (Min - PF, C)
C Andrew Bogut (Mil - C)
C Chris Andersen (Den - PF, C)
Util Eric Gordon (LAC - SG)
Util Al Thornton (LAC - SF, PF)
BN Roger Mason (SA - PG, SG)
BN Udonis Haslem (Mia - PF, C)
BN Carl Landry (Hou - SF, PF)
BN Nenad Krstic (OKC - PF, C)
BN Steve Blake (Por - PG)

That's my roster, anyone let me know if you like anything.

[conway429]

PG Aaron Brooks (Hou - PG)
SG Ben Gordon (Det - SG)
G Ronnie Brewer (Uta - SG, SF)
SF Jeff Green (OKC - SF, PF)
PF Dirk Nowitzki (Dal - PF)
F Al Jefferson (Min - PF, C)
C Mehmet Okur (Uta - PF, C)
C Rasheed Wallace (Bos - PF, C)
Util Yi Jianlian (NJ - PF)
Util Allen Iverson (Mem - PG, SG)
BN James Harden (OKC - PG, SG)
BN DeMar DeRozan (Tor - SG, SF, PF)
BN Jrue Holliday (Phi - PG, SG)
BN Erick Dampier (Dal - C)
BN Andray Blatche (Was - PF, C)

[greg_ory_2005]

Looking to give up some of my swingmen for PG's, even better if they get assists and 3's.

[Bob_at_york]

so what do people think of the trade I agreed to?

[JermanJaysFan]

so what do people think of the trade I agreed to?

Well, you needed a big, so in that sense its fine, but you may end up losing out a little bit on pure production over the course of the year.

[conway429]

so what do people think of the trade I agreed to?

Obviously I like it from my side :)
But I think injuries are gonna be a problem for my team this year, with Redd and Jefferson...

--secterm re the last trade proposal, I'm really only semi-interested in Rafer, and I wanna keep Jeff Green at least until the season is underway.

Only move I wanna make right now is moving Rasheed in a deal for a point guard for some assists a la Parker or Westbrook

[LD V2.0]

Oden and Peja for K-Mart and Okafor?

Star, did you seriously think I would accept that or were you hoping for me to accidentially hit the wrong button? :p

[swoop]

How about :

Joe Johnson, Peja and Marco Belli for Artest, D.Lee and Baron Davis ?

OR :

Oden and Peja for Artest and Pryz. ?

OR :

Peja and Oden for Artest and D.Lee !?!?!

..and there have been more...

[Bob_at_york]

you are not alone, I also got an offer from Star.

[Macedonian]

He avoids me... so far!:)

[secterm]

Obviously I like it from my side :)
But I think injuries are gonna be a problem for my team this year, with Redd and Jefferson...

--secterm re the last trade proposal, I'm really only semi-interested in Rafer, and I wanna keep Jeff Green at least until the season is underway.

Only move I wanna make right now is moving Rasheed in a deal for a point guard for some assists a la Parker or Westbrook

I would consider sheed for a PG, but I am not that high on Sheed this year. I don't see him getting more than 20-25 minutes as a back-up to KG and Perkins.

[secterm]

I'm interested in shopping the following guys: Kevin Garnett, Anthony Randolph, Charlie V, John Salmons, Anthony Morrow, Derek Fisher and Rafer Alston. If anyone wants to make a real offer on the guys, then do it in this thread.

[Macedonian]

secterm, I sent you an offer a couple of days ago... Please either accept or reject the offer!

[The Wise 1]

somebody take Lebron off my hands. Needs to have 2 guard eligibility.

[SA5195]

How do I join this thingy?

[JermanJaysFan]

How do I join this thingy?

You wait until next year...

[SA5195]

You wait until next year...

Damn... lol

K put me in for next year!

[secterm]

Hey JermanJaysfan, you interested in trades. I think I sent you an offer a while back but you didn't reject or accept it. I heard nothing.

[Bob_at_york]

somebody take Lebron off my hands. Needs to have 2 guard eligibility.

fine I will take him off your hands.

[The Wise 1]

fine I will take him off your hands.

bob i like that offer. give me a little time to think about it cause i was really close to accepting a deal.

[Bob_at_york]

bob i like that offer. give me a little time to think about it cause i was really close to accepting a deal.

it coudl be a real good one for you. It had me asking who was going to be my SF.

[JermanJaysFan]

Hey JermanJaysfan, you interested in trades. I think I sent you an offer a while back but you didn't reject or accept it. I heard nothing.
You sent me two- one I didn't do anything about for a while because I was waiting for word on Jamison and then you sent me one more recently that I rejected.

[Bob_at_york]

so my lebron deal was shot down with no counter. :(

But I have a couple of other offers out there. Get back to me people!

[secterm]

Alright boys, I'm seriously interested in shopping KG and/or Anthony "the phenom" Randolph. Both guys are considered very, very high on the PF radar. KG's O-Rank is 12. I need another solid C so the best offer gets the deal done. Let's make it happen, PM with offers or interest.

[Bob_at_york]

Alright boys, I'm seriously interested in shopping KG and/or Anthony "the phenom" Randolph. Both guys are considered very, very high on the PF radar. KG's O-Rank is 12. I need another solid C so the best offer gets the deal done. Let's make it happen, PM with offers or interest.

yahoo might consider KG very high on the PF radar but I consider him over-rated on the PF radar (when it comes to fantasy sports).

[secterm]

yahoo might consider KG very high on the PF radar but I consider him over-rated on the PF radar (when it comes to fantasy sports).

Well, there is a reason he is 100% owned and is has nothing to do with his Yahoo rank, it has to do with all the fantasy managers. KG is considered a top 3 fantasy PF. The only guy you have that is 100% owned is Chris Paul...is he also overrated. A player's ownership speaks to how MANAGERS (like you and I) in the fantasy league view the player. I could talk about guys on your roster that are also overrated, but I wouldn't cause that is somewhat disrespectful as it could possibly bring down the trade value of your guys.

[Bob_at_york]

Well, there is a reason he is 100% owned and is has nothing to do with his Yahoo rank, it has to do with all the fantasy managers. KG is considered a top 3 fantasy PF. The only guy you have that is 100% owned is Chris Paul...is he also overrated. A player's ownership speaks to how MANAGERS (like you and I) in the fantasy league view the player. I could talk about guys on your roster that are also overrated, but I wouldn't cause that is somewhat disrespectful as it could possibly bring down the trade value of your guys.

Feel free to talk about my players but remember you are the one who opened the door when it comes to talking about KG in here, I didn't just start ripping your team, you brought up the subject. It isn't like I came in and started saying that everyone should want to take T-Mac off my hands or something. I wouldn't do that, I know that a lot of you know better.

And yes, KG is owned 100%, but so are a lot of players. I am not saying he doesn't have value, he is a very valuable player but I don't think he will be a top 25 fantasy player any longer.

[greg_ory_2005]

Well of course KG is 100% owned..which idiots would leave him as a FA?

I do think he's overrated too.

[secterm]

Feel free to talk about my players but remember you are the one who opened the door when it comes to talking about KG in here, I didn't just start ripping your team, you brought up the subject. It isn't like I came in and started saying that everyone should want to take T-Mac off my hands or something. I wouldn't do that, I know that a lot of you know better.

And yes, KG is owned 100%, but so are a lot of players. I am not saying he doesn't have value, he is a very valuable player but I don't think he will be a top 25 fantasy player any longer.

I opened the door for trades and I made it clear that I am shopping two of my PF's (cause I have 6 eligible PF's and only 2 eligible C's), not for people to diminish my players. And I'm not going rip into your team cause there is no point. If I don't like one of your guys, I'm not going to go on the public forum and talk about me not liking one of your guys, it's just not the way I would do things, unless someone really provoked me (see below).


Well of course KG is 100% owned..which idiots would leave him as a FA?

I do think he's overrated too.

Well Iggy and David West aren't 100% owned. Maybe you can't understand the statistics, but generally speaking the top tier guys are 100% owned, followed by lower numbers, get it :facepalm: . Their are league that have very small numbers of managers and small rosters where some pretty good players don't get selected. But guys like KG always get selected cause they are top tier. BTW, watch Pau Gasol's numbers will go down with Andrew Bynum expected to have a breakout year and Artest taking up more of the Lakers scoring than Ariza did. Gasol will be the most overrated of the 100% guys this year.

[Bob_at_york]

I opened the door for trades and I made it clear that I am shopping two of my PF's (cause I have 6 eligible PF's and only 2 eligible C's), not for people to diminish my players. And I'm not going rip into your team cause there is no point. If I don't like one of your guys, I'm not going to go on the public forum and talk about me not liking one of your guys, it's just not the way I would do things, unless someone really provoked me (see below).
I can tell you from past experience, you have to prepared for some talk in this thread. You started talking KG, as you can see I am not the only one who is going to respond about not wanting to pay top ranked dollar for him. If you want, next time you bring up one of your players that I have an opinion of, I will stay quiet but don't expect others to do the same.

What if I came on today and said I wanted a top 20 player for Odom because of the game he had yesterday? I would expect you and the others to express their opinions on it. I didn't express my opinion so KG's value in this league will go down. People will make their own decisions on what his value is, I spoke it because I think his value will go down. Same with that other player you and I talked about through PMs. I think he is over-rated right now and I wouldn't expect anyone to pay top dollar for him.



Well Iggy and David West aren't 100% owned. Maybe you can't understand the statistics, but generally speaking the top tier guys are 100% owned, followed by lower numbers, get it :facepalm: . Their are league that have very small numbers of managers and small rosters where some pretty good players don't get selected. But guys like KG always get selected cause they are top tier. BTW, watch Pau Gasol's numbers will go down with Andrew Bynum expected to have a breakout year and Artest taking up more of the Lakers scoring than Ariza did. Gasol will be the most overrated of the 100% guys this year.

I agree with you about Gasol.

[secterm]

I can tell you from past experience, you have to prepared for some talk in this thread. You started talking KG, as you can see I am not the only one who is going to respond about not wanting to pay top ranked dollar for him. If you want, next time you bring up one of your players that I have an opinion of, I will stay quiet but don't expect others to do the same.

What if I came on today and said I wanted a top 20 player for Odom because of the game he had yesterday? I would expect you and the others to express their opinions on it. I didn't express my opinion so KG's value in this league will go down. People will make their own decisions on what his value is, I spoke it because I think his value will go down. Same with that other player you and I talked about through PMs. I think he is over-rated right now and I wouldn't expect anyone to pay top dollar for him.




I agree with you about Gasol.

Well either way, KG probably wont be top 10 fantasy like he was back in his T-Wolves days, but I expect him to be top 20 for sure. I was very, very pleased with the beautiful stat line he put up last night. He puts up good numbers across the board. Low PF's, high FT's, high steals are all things that most big men don't provide alot of, but KG does it all. He also offers nice blocks as well. I am very happy to keep him, my main goal is to try and better balance my line-up with more C eligibility as I am hella stacked with PF's galore.

[Bob_at_york]

Well either way, KG probably wont be top 10 fantasy like he was back in his T-Wolves days, but I expect him to be top 20 for sure. I was very, very pleased with the beautiful stat line he put up last night. He puts up good numbers across the board. Low PF's, high FT's, high steals are all things that most big men don't provide alot of, but KG does it all. He also offers nice blocks as well. I am very happy to keep him, my main goal is to try and better balance my line-up with more C eligibility as I am hella stacked with PF's galore.

If it makes you feel better I think Randolph will be good. He could jump into the top 50 depending what they do with SJax.

[secterm]

If it makes you feel better I think Randolph will be good. He could jump into the top 50 depending what they do with SJax.

Yeah, check out this video. http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nba/16256311

"his stock kept rising"..."I bumped him up to the 50 range"..."I've done drafts with the experts and I can't even get this guy"

[LD V2.0]

Well, there is a reason he is 100% owned and is has nothing to do with his Yahoo rank, it has to do with all the fantasy managers. KG is considered a top 3 fantasy PF. The only guy you have that is 100% owned is Chris Paul...is he also overrated. A player's ownership speaks to how MANAGERS (like you and I) in the fantasy league view the player. I could talk about guys on your roster that are also overrated, but I wouldn't cause that is somewhat disrespectful as it could possibly bring down the trade value of your guys.

I'm not sure you're going to sell players onto managers by dropping stats about % owned. There is a lot more that people think about in here, as in, knee surgeries for example... He's also getting kind of old to be dealing out a potential keeper pick for him.

For me, if a manager is really trying hard to sell a player on me I like the saying "you like him so much, you keep him." :)

As for Randolph, if you were so sold on him why would you not keep him until his value goes up and then get a better deal? Why praise him and then try to unload him on skeptical owners? No doubt he has a good situation and lots of upside but he has yet to prove anything.I like him but I wouldn't give up a proven top 50 commodity for him.

[LD V2.0]

:facepalm: Not sure what to think about that deal that just went down between Secterm and Mace. Yawn. ;)

[secterm]

:facepalm: Not sure what to think about that deal that just went down between Secterm and Mace. Yawn. ;)

Why is that? :confused:

[secterm]

I'm not sure you're going to sell players onto managers by dropping stats about % owned. There is a lot more that people think about in here, as in, knee surgeries for example... He's also getting kind of old to be dealing out a potential keeper pick for him.

For me, if a manager is really trying hard to sell a player on me I like the saying "you like him so much, you keep him." :)

As for Randolph, if you were so sold on him why would you not keep him until his value goes up and then get a better deal? Why praise him and then try to unload him on skeptical owners? No doubt he has a good situation and lots of upside but he has yet to prove anything.I like him but I wouldn't give up a proven top 50 commodity for him.

Bottom line is it came down to eligibility. There were going to be nights where I was going have to choose between playing Randolph and KG (both only PF eligible) and I didn't want to have to do that. I am a big Randolph fan. Will he be top 50, hard to say just yet. But he will have a breakout year and will he be ATLEAST top 80, most definitely. Now that I have traded Randolph, I am no longer as interested in shopping KG. KG doesn't have a history of injury, he simply had one knee issue last year that has been repaired and he is now 100%. I would say guys like Arenas, Gerald Wallace, Bosh, Amare, Devin Harris, etc, are even more injury prone, and people have no problem paying top dollar for those guys. KG is probably one of the toughest guys in the league and he is looking to prove himself as back to the old KG, so I am fairly confident that he will be worth the 16th pick that I used on him.

[swoop]

After examining the severity of an injury, age more than toughness is the key issue.

[Bob_at_york]

I would say guys like Arenas, Gerald Wallace, Bosh, Amare, Devin Harris, etc, are even more injury prone, and people have no problem paying top dollar for those guys.

speak for yourself. I would have problem paying top dollar for a bunch of those guys.

[The Wise 1]

It looks like Star and Secterm definitely share the same opinions on Arenas.

[secterm]

speak for yourself. I would have problem paying top dollar for a bunch of those guys.

I never said everybody, I said "people". It's a general term and it doesn't specify anything absolute about every person.

[LD V2.0]

Bottom line is it came down to eligibility. There were going to be nights where I was going have to choose between playing Randolph and KG (both only PF eligible) and I didn't want to have to do that. I am a big Randolph fan. Will he be top 50, hard to say just yet. But he will have a breakout year and will he be ATLEAST top 80, most definitely. Now that I have traded Randolph, I am no longer as interested in shopping KG. KG doesn't have a history of injury, he simply had one knee issue last year that has been repaired and he is now 100%. I would say guys like Arenas, Gerald Wallace, Bosh, Amare, Devin Harris, etc, are even more injury prone, and people have no problem paying top dollar for those guys. KG is probably one of the toughest guys in the league and he is looking to prove himself as back to the old KG, so I am fairly confident that he will be worth the 16th pick that I used on him.

I'm just telling you that this is a keeper league, KG is getting old and he's coming back from a knee surgery. That leads me you downgrade him a little on my board. Arenas went in round 3 so people aren't paying top dollar for him. G.Wallace went at the end of round 2 but I would not have taken him there. I could speak on the other three but there's no point. KG is getting old and is coming back from a knee surgery. You got him in round two so you didn't overpay for him... I just wouldn't offer a guy in the first two rounds for him because I would be looking down the road to who my keepers would be next season and at that point KG might be a 3rd or 4th round guy as he will be 34 then and age is going to have to creep its head soon...

[secterm]

I'm just telling you that this is a keeper league, KG is getting old and he's coming back from a knee surgery. That leads me you downgrade him a little on my board. Arenas went in round 3 so people aren't paying top dollar for him. G.Wallace went at the end of round 2 but I would not have taken him there. I could speak on the other three but there's no point. KG is getting old and is coming back from a knee surgery. You got him in round two so you didn't overpay for him... I just wouldn't offer a guy in the first two rounds for him because I would be looking down the road to who my keepers would be next season and at that point KG might be a 3rd or 4th round guy.

Sure, that isn't unreasonable. I probably would have been happy taking a top 30 pick in a multi player deal for him...that is before I traded Randolph. At this point, I am quite content to hold on to KG now that I have balanced out my eligibilities.

[LD V2.0]

That's cool.


Damn, the games are all very close half way through the week.

[secterm]

That's cool.


Damn, the games are all very close half way through the week.

I have been trying to work out a trade with you, but I keep getting nowhere. The only offers you have made me are Bass (I'm not high on) and some other crap guy for Noch...and I am very high on Noch...especially without Garcia in the mix. I would, however, trade Noch and others if the right trade presented itself. You should PM with some ideas and we can try and get a deal done.

[LD V2.0]

I have been trying to work out a trade with you, but I keep getting nowhere. The only offers you have made me are Bass (I'm not high on) and some other crap guy for Noch...and I am very high on Noch...especially without Garcia in the mix. I would, however, trade Noch and others if the right trade presented itself. You should PM with some ideas and we can try and get a deal done.

Right. Well, Aldridge and Bargnani are a toss up. Prince is a lot better fantasy option than Noc. I offered you Bass and another for Noc. I think that was a lot more fair than Prince for Noc. You're not getting Prince for Noc. Noc is going to be alright this year. I like him because he's an all round player. If you're very high on him then you should keep him I guess because I won't be over paying for a guy who will land on the end of my bench. The reason you aren't getting anywhere with me is because I'm not going to come away from a trade with the raw end of a deal.

[secterm]

Right. Well, Aldridge and Bargnani are a toss up. Prince is a lot better fantasy option than Noc. I offered you Bass and another for Noc. I think that was a lot more fair than Prince for Noc. You're not getting Prince for Noc. Noc is going to be alright this year. I like him because he's an all round player. If you're very high on him then you should keep him I guess because I won't be over paying for a guy who will land on the end of my bench. The reason you aren't getting anywhere with me is because I'm not going to come away from a trade with the raw end of a deal.

No question that Prince is a better fantasy option than Noc. But no effin way is Bargs rated as high as Aldridge. Look at their fantasy rating from last year. Look at their fantasy ratings over their careers. That isn't a toss up. Bargs never gets drafted ahead of Aldridge for a reason. A toss up in your head, maybe, but not in the minds of the majority. It was a fair trade, especially since Noc is nearly certain to be atleast top 140 this year.

You think that is a "raw deal" the guy Star offered me Peja for Charlie V and then he rights in the comments that he is interested in Charlie V. Now that's what I call insane.

[Bob_at_york]

You think that is a "raw deal" the guy Star offered me Peja for Charlie V and then he rights in the comments that he is interested in Charlie V. Now that's what I call insane.
no one is saying Star isn't insane. Just joking star! :p

[LD V2.0]

No question that Prince is a better fantasy option than Noc. But no effin way is Bargs rated as high as Aldridge. Look at their fantasy rating from last year. Look at their fantasy ratings over their careers. That isn't a toss up. Bargs never gets drafted ahead of Aldridge for a reason. A toss up in your head, maybe, but not in the minds of the majority. It was a fair trade, especially since Noc is nearly certain to be atleast top 140 this year.

You think that is a "raw deal" the guy Star offered me Peja for Charlie V and then he rights in the comments that he is interested in Charlie V. Now that's what I call insane.

Alright, you keep believing but Bargnani is going to have a similar rating this season. I don't need Aldridge, he doesn't help my team as much as Bargnani will. You keep him. Bargnani is going to have a similar ranking this year. Career stats and last season stats mean nothing to me, this is a special case. I know this is Bargnani's year.



You think that is a "raw deal" the guy Star offered me Peja for Charlie V and then he rights in the comments that he is interested in Charlie V. Now that's what I call insane.

Yeah Star's offers are ********. On the ******** meter I would give his offers to me to date a 10. I would give your offer a 5. Your offer does not help my team. Sorry, pass.

[secterm]

Alright, you keep believing but Bargnani is going to have a similar rating this season. I don't need Aldridge, he doesn't help my team as much as Bargnani will. You keep him. Bargnani is going to have a similar ranking this year. Career stats and last season stats mean nothing to me, this is a special case. I know this is Bargnani's year.



Yeah Star's offers are ********. On the ******** meter I would give his offers to me to date a 10. I would give your offer a 5. Your offer does not help my team. Sorry, pass.

Well I woould hope my offers aren't as bad as Star's. His offerd mske me laugh. The funny thing is he responds all defensive like his offers are soooooo fair. And if you offer him a deal, be prepared for a big huge rant.

[swoop]

Make a dumb counter-offer : for Kobe. After I did he stopped.

[secterm]

Make a dumb counter-offer : for Kobe. After I did he stopped.

hahaha

[LD V2.0]

Well I woould hope my offers aren't as bad as Star's. His offerd mske me laugh. The funny thing is he responds all defensive like his offers are soooooo fair. And if you offer him a deal, be prepared for a big huge rant.

LOL, yeah. The last one I received was Peja for K-Mart...Maybe five years ago but not now! :facepalm:

[secterm]

LOL, yeah. The last one I received was Peja for K-Mart...Maybe five years ago but not now! :facepalm:

How about Peja for the deuce I just left in the can

[The Wise 1]

LOL, yeah. The last one I received was Peja for K-Mart...Maybe five years ago but not now! :facepalm:

Arenas for Lebron

[LD V2.0]

How about Peja for the deuce I just left in the can

I don't know, the deuce has more long term value.

[The Wise 1]

I don't know, the deuce has more long term value.

It depends on what you need. If you need 3's then its Peja hands down. But the turd doesnt turn the ball over or get fouls.

[secterm]

It depends on what you need. If you need 3's then its Peja hands down. But the turd doesnt turn the ball over or get fouls.

you can use the turd to fend off defenders. Peja is just soft on the defensive end,

[Macedonian]

I have a surplus of PGs, and I need a C!

My PG's list:

Jose Calderon
Russell Westbrook
T.J. Ford
Louis Williams
Rafer Alston
Ty Lawson
Chris Douglas-Roberts

Everyone is available, except Louis Williams!

Also, I'd give Varejao + PG, or Ben Wallace + PG, for an upgrade of the C position!

[secterm]

I have a surplus of PGs, and I need a C!

My PG's list:

Jose Calderon
Russell Westbrook
T.J. Ford
Louis Williams
Rafer Alston
Ty Lawson
Chris Douglas-Roberts

Everyone is available, except Louis Williams!

Also, I'd give Varejao + PG, or Ben Wallace + PG, for an upgrade of the C position!

If you really like LaMarcus Aldridge, PM me and we can discuss. I am willing to incorporate him in a bigger deal.

[Macedonian]

I got your offer, and I'm not interested in Nocioni, Nate Robinson, and J.R. Smith...
But I'm open for Aldridge or Kaman!

By the way, Thompson, Westbrook, Boozer, Bosh, Louis Williams and Anthony Randolph are not available!

[secterm]

I got your offer, and I'm not interested in Nocioni, Nate Robinson, and J.R. Smith...
But I'm open for Aldridge or Kaman!

Aldridge or Kaman won't come cheap. PM me guys you like on my squad in a relative order and we can sort it out.

[LD V2.0]

Bargnani is ripping'em up again. :clap:

[secterm]

Let's talk trades people. This forum should be the place for people to toss around ideas. Who are managers actively shopping, what are they looking for in return, etc.

[Macedonian]

Let's talk trades people. This forum should be the place for people to toss around ideas. Who are managers actively shopping, what are they looking for in return, etc.I agree with you!

[secterm]

I agree with you!

For sure. The active and reasonable managers are getting deals done left and right. The rest of you guys should be ashamed. :mad:

[Macedonian]

Aldridge or Kaman won't come cheap.
And how about this?:)

Blazers’ Aldridge leaves with knee injury (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aue9ex8ggEooQtbGN1xbg4O8vLYF?slug=ap-trailblazers-aldridgehurt&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[The Wise 1]

For sure. The active and reasonable managers are getting deals done left and right. The rest of you guys should be ashamed. :mad:

I dont do trades cause Michelangelo himself couldnt of sculpted a better looking roster.

[LD V2.0]

For sure. The active and reasonable managers are getting deals done left and right. The rest of you guys should be ashamed. :mad:

Everyone in this league is active. Some just don't play the game like you do. I'm pretty sure the last two champs were not trade fiends.

[Dol-Fan]

Everyone in this league is active. Some just don't play the game like you do. I'm pretty sure the last two champs were not trade fiends.

I made a few near the end of the year, namely our trade involving Durant, but I generally like to feel out my roster before I make moves, unless something will very clearly benefit me.

[secterm]

And how about this?:)

Blazers’ Aldridge leaves with knee injury (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aue9ex8ggEooQtbGN1xbg4O8vLYF?slug=ap-trailblazers-aldridgehurt&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Ooooh. That could be trouble. Oh well, I think it's just a one or two game thing. No reason to think it's overly serious.


I dont do trades cause Michelangelo himself couldnt of sculpted a better looking roster.

hahahah. But it's true, you do have one of the better rosters in the league...share the wealth.


Everyone in this league is active. Some just don't play the game like you do. I'm pretty sure the last two champs were not trade fiends.

Well, there are three ways of creating the winning roster. 1)Good Draft 2)Luck 3)Trades. Since the only thing we have control over at this point is trades, then why the heck not. I had a low draft position, however I am a fan of my drafting and the trades I've made and I think I've improved my team. It's kinda hard to put together a top notch team when one starts at a disadvantage (no keepers and non top 12 pick). But just like everyone else, I'm hear to win.

BTW, the turd we were talking about the other day had a triple double while Peja continues to struggle. I suggest the Hornets simple harvest Peja for his turds and keep him off the court. Maybe keep him on a steady diet of chow mien or kung pow chicken.

[Macedonian]

Week 1 Scores:

Macedonian 7
secterm 3

Swoop 2
Star 8

Mile High Champ 5
greg_ory 5

Bob 5
Dol-fan 5

TD0TsFinest 4
TheWise 6

LD 6
JermanJaysFan 4

Ramon Nivar 4
conway 6

[Bob_at_york]

For sure. The active and reasonable managers are getting deals done left and right. The rest of you guys should be ashamed. :mad:

maybe they are patient and happy with their teams.

[secterm]

maybe they are patient and happy with their teams.

Everyone might be patient and happy, but there is only one winner. If people want to win, they should be looking to make trades to give themselves a better chance.

[Bob_at_york]

Everyone might be patient and happy, but there is only one winner. If people want to win, they should be looking to make trades to give themselves a better chance.

Actually I am going to disagree about there being only one winner. After the season I had last year, as much as I would like to win, I would also be happy with having two good keepers to build around next season.

Also speaking about being patient. I forgot I sent you that offer, you just sat on it for a week then took it. Good move. I guess I can still hope that Charlie starts performing like I know he can.

[secterm]

Actually I am going to disagree about there being only one winner. After the season I had last year, as much as I would like to win, I would also be happy with having two good keepers to build around next season.

Also speaking about being patient. I forgot I sent you that offer, you just sat on it for a week then took it. Good move. I guess I can still hope that Charlie starts performing like I know he can.

Ahhh. So that is why you are so into LBJ, you want another premier keeper. Well, he's as good of a keeper as it gets.

I still see Charlie having a good year, he is the pistons only offensively big man. In fact, I acquired him from Conway for good reason. But nevertheless, I wasn't patient enough to wait on him and your offer was just sitting there laughing at me. I had actually been considering it for a while, but I needed to have a player I was willing to drop to take on the extra man. When I swung the deal prior with Mace, that gave me my expendable piece (Gortat).

[LD V2.0]

Well, there are three ways of creating the winning roster. 1)Good Draft 2)Luck 3)Trades. Since the only thing we have control over at this point is trades, then why the heck not. I had a low draft position, however I am a fan of my drafting and the trades I've made and I think I've improved my team. It's kinda hard to put together a top notch team when one starts at a disadvantage (no keepers and non top 12 pick). But just like everyone else, I'm hear to win.

BTW, the turd we were talking about the other day had a triple double while Peja continues to struggle. I suggest the Hornets simple harvest Peja for his turds and keep him off the court. Maybe keep him on a steady diet of chow mien or kung pow chicken.

Trade all you like, I'm just saying this is an active league. Personally I prefer to draft solid, play the wire and trade when I feel its needed.

Peja will be on the wire sooner rather than later, just like Noc. ;)

[secterm]

Trade all you like, I'm just saying this is an active league. Personally I prefer to draft solid, play the wire and trade when I feel its needed.

Peja will be on the wire sooner rather than later, just like Noc. ;)

You might be right. Though Noc is showing some promising signs. If the guy got more playing time, he would be a fantasy beast (able to hit 3's, steals, blocks, rebs, etc). But his coach (Wesphal) seems to have a different ideas. We'll see what happens. I figured Larry Hughes was done for this year after the pre-season and the start to the reg season, but just like that he's starting and putting up beastly numbers. It's really the nutty coaches (Wesphal, Nelson, D'antoni, etc) that can really screw with predicated numbers. Not saying what they're doing might not work, just saying you don't know what's going to happen from one day to the next with those coaches.

[conway429]

Hey Bob, do you want Michael Redd back?

and I feel like an idiot for waiving Andray Blatche so I could pick up Dampier

[Bob_at_york]

Hey Bob, do you want Michael Redd back?

and I feel like an idiot for waiving Andray Blatche so I could pick up Dampier

I don't want Redd back. Also as much as I like Andray, once Jamison comes back that decision might pay off.

[secterm]

Hey Bob, do you want Michael Redd back?

and I feel like an idiot for waiving Andray Blatche so I could pick up Dampier

Yeah, I was soooo happy to pick up Blatche when you dropped him, I didn't quite understand why you didn't give him more of a run.

But I am interested in talking trades if you wanna get 'er done.

[LD V2.0]

Yeah, I was soooo happy to pick up Blatche when you dropped him, I didn't quite understand why you didn't give him more of a run.

But I am interested in talking trades if you wanna get 'er done.

I think Blatche will go back to the bench and will eventually be dropped again. He filled in last year and put up strong numbers at times but he can't get the PT when everyone is healthy and he's inconsistent. To his advantage, he doesn't have Etan Thomas there eating into potential minutes this season though.

[secterm]

I think Blatche will go back to the bench and will eventually be dropped again. He filled in last year and put up strong numbers at times but he can't get the PT when everyone is healthy and he's inconsistent. To his advantage, he doesn't have Etan Thomas there eating into potential minutes this season though.

But you gotta remember that he is young enough that this could be his breakout year that all young guys have. Also, while he probably won't be a 20 and 10 guy with a couple blocks all year, if I can get that kind of production for a quarter of the season, I am happy as a John in Amsterdam.

[LD V2.0]

Not all young guys break out. Some guys never break out and just are role players. He's been so inconsistent in his career that I think role player could be a likely scenario...Not to mention he has to battle a lot of good players on the bench for PT when everyone gets healthy.

I get what you're saying though. You're going to ride his high for as long as you can...

[conway429]

Yeah I doubt when it's all said and done that he'll be a huge difference maker in me winning or losing the league or anything. I grabbed Dampier cause of consistency, I just really needed a solid rebounder. I have enough points, but I still felt dumb when he dropped 30.

[LD V2.0]

Noc gets busted for a DUI and a few hours later Mace picks him up.

[secterm]

Noc gets busted for a DUI and a few hours later Mace picks him up.

Well, he's a drunk and his coach isn't interested in giving him good minutes. Also, I think they just signed Udoka. Also, Garcia will be back in a month or two. Noc went from potential sleeper to "put the guy to rest (RIP)"

[Bob_at_york]

Well, he's a drunk and his coach isn't interested in giving him good minutes. Also, I think they just signed Udoka. Also, Garcia will be back in a month or two. Noc went from potential sleeper to "put the guy to rest (RIP)"

I would still like Noc on the raptors.

[Macedonian]

I think they just signed Udoka.Udoka will just fill the roster spot... With an average of 4.3 points per game last season, Portland had a really good reason to cut him before this season!


Garcia will be back in a month or two.Not before March (at earliest)...


Well, he's a drunkWell, if anybody's drunk, they'll get sober... But if a fantasy owner loses him as a player, then they may never again have him on their team!:)

[LD V2.0]

I would still like Noc on the raptors.

Hell yes. He approaches the game in a similar fashion to Jorge Garbajosa. He's also more talented.

[secterm]

Udoka will just fill the roster spot... With an average of 4.3 points per game last season, Portland had a really good reason to cut him before this season!

Not before March (at earliest)...

Well, if anybody's drunk, they'll get sober... But if a fantasy owner loses him as a player, then they may never again have him on their team!:)

Well, of course you're defending him, you just picked him up...and for good reason. I was hoping he would be top 120 fantasy, but the guy is just looking worse and worse. Best luck with him, I hope he picks it up for his sake, but be prepared for some aggravation.

[greg_ory_2005]

Need assists and 3's. Offer me something, if you like anyone on my team.

[LD V2.0]

Ugh...Injuries just keep on coming. Prince now? You gotta be kidding me. The iron man is now out with a ruptured disk in his back... That's not a good injury to have because even if he can play through it, which is probably not be a good idea, he will be in and out of the lineup and his numbers are going to deteriorate. If he elects for surgery he's out for a looong time... I just dropped him and added Mike Dunleavy. I figure if I'm going to have to hold on to an injured player I might as well pick one on the rebound. Mike has a lot more upside too. I will probably need to wait on him for three weeks though...

[Bob_at_york]

I am hoping T-Mac comes back next week like he says he wants to. That would be a real boost to my squad.

[td0tsfinest]

Ugh...Injuries just keep on coming. Prince now? You gotta be kidding me. The iron man is now out with a ruptured disk in his back... That's not a good injury to have because even if he can play through it, which is probably not be a good idea, he will be in and out of the lineup and his numbers are going to deteriorate. If he elects for surgery he's out for a looong time... I just dropped him and added Mike Dunleavy. I figure if I'm going to have to hold on to an injured player I might as well pick one on the rebound. Mike has a lot more upside too. I will probably need to wait on him for three weeks though...

tell me about it..injuries are killing me right now

Blake Griffin won't be back for another month or so.

Andris Biedrins is going to miss GS' next 5 games.

Rip Hamilton is out another week.

And Tim Duncan is day-to-day.

It's a rough start for me.

[secterm]

Trades people, let's discuss. Muhahahah.

[Bob_at_york]

Trades people, let's discuss. Muhahahah.

I am still recovering from "our" last trade.

[secterm]

I am still recovering from "our" last trade.

What's "our" supposed to mean? Seriously, I'm not quite sure? Would you like Lamar back?

[Bob_at_york]

What's "our" supposed to mean? Seriously, I'm not quite sure? Would you like Lamar back?

It means what I said before, when you accepted it, I was no longer interested in the deal. I actually voted against it. So I didn't feel like it was "our" deal but it is cool, you did everything within the rules and Charlie can still out-perform Odom.

[secterm]

It means what I said before, when you accepted it, I was no longer interested in the deal. I actually voted against it. So I didn't feel like it was "our" deal but it is cool, you did everything within the rules and Charlie can still out-perform Odom.

Well, I was simply being patient. And BTW, I would heavily consider a Charlie for Lamar swap, I think they bring comparable value. So I don't understand what you are still recovering from.


PS, do you know how voting against it works? how many people have to vote against it? What's the deal with that?

[Bob_at_york]

Well, I was simply being patient. And BTW, I would heavily consider a Charlie for Lamar swap, I think they bring comparable value. So I don't understand what you are still recovering from.

Recovering from Charlie's slow start and losing out on Barnes who was an emerging player. I need to find someone who can do the jack of all trades thing.

PS, do you know how voting against it works? how many people have to vote against it? What's the deal with that?
I think half the league has to vote against it, I am not sure, I am sure it says somewhere in the rules over there.

[LD V2.0]

It means what I said before, when you accepted it, I was no longer interested in the deal. I actually voted against it. So I didn't feel like it was "our" deal but it is cool, you did everything within the rules and Charlie can still out-perform Odom.

I don't leave anything on the table longer than two days. Maybe you should consider placing a shorter time limit on your own offers?




PS, do you know how voting against it works? how many people have to vote against it? What's the deal with that?
I think half the league has to vote against it, I am not sure, I am sure it says somewhere in the rules over there.


League Votes
When you select the League Votes option, accepted trades can be overturned by a vote of at least 1/3 of the members of your league. All league member votes, including the one cast by the commissioner, count equally. Even if no protests are made, the trade will not be processed until the time allotted to protest pending trades in your league has elapsed.Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Basektball (http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/details/trade_review)

Basically, you need five votes.

[Bob_at_york]

I don't leave anything on the table longer than two days. Maybe you should consider placing a shorter time limit on your own offers?
I forgot I even offered it. Also at this moment I don't have a lot of time to check the league, I check it maybe twice a week.

[LD V2.0]

Live and learn I guess.

[Macedonian]

Also at this moment I don't have a lot of time to check the league, I check it maybe twice a week.
Bob, what's your schedule this week?
I sent you an offer 2 or 3 days ago!:)

[Bob_at_york]

Bob, what's your schedule this week?
I sent you an offer 2 or 3 days ago!:)

I should have some time tonight to look at it but if it is the deal I think it is, I will be saying no. The main guy you want from my team, I don't want to give him up. Especially for the big man you are offering. It really sucks not being able to check out the league while at work.

[LD V2.0]

If you want updates without having to go to Yahoo you can set it up so that all trade offers are sent to your email box.

[Macedonian]

I should have some time tonight to look at it but if it is the deal I think it is, I will be saying no. The main guy you want from my team, I don't want to give him up.Then, it's not what you think it is... Because I asked for a player which is out of the first 100 on the ranking list!

[secterm]

If you want updates without having to go to Yahoo you can set it up so that all trade offers are sent to your email box.

Yeah, I am in a few leagues so I find it easier just to get all the notices to my email inbox.

BTW, Bob, hope there are no hard feelings for the Charlie/Lamar deal. I didn't even know that you were no longer interested. I figured that deal was going to be available until/unless you had made another deal or took it off the table.

Also, I don't see any trades in this league get voided. I think we are all trying to win and I don't see this group of guys doing underhanded trades (I think that's the reason for the "vote against trade" option).

[Bob_at_york]

Then, it's not what you think it is... Because I asked for a player which is out of the first 100 on the ranking list!

He might not be in the top 100 but he is a VERY important player on my team. He fills a role that others do not.

[secterm]

Trades people, let's talk trades. Anybody interested in making me an offer? Here's my roster.

PG Jason Kidd (Dal - PG)
SG J.J. Redick (Orl - PG,SG)
G Jason Richardson (Pho - SG,SF)
SF Courtney Lee (NJ - SG,SF)
PF Kevin Garnett (Bos - PF)
F Trevor Ariza (Hou - SG,SF)
C LaMarcus Aldridge (Por - PF,C)
C Andray Blatche (Was - PF,C)
Util Lamar Odom (LAL - SF,PF)
Util Chris Kaman (LAC - C)
BN Mario Chalmers (Mia - PG)INJ
BN J.R. Smith (Den - SG,SF)
BN Anthony Morrow (GS - SG,SF)
BN Matt Barnes (Orl - SG,SF)
BN Nate Robinson (NY - PG,SG)

[Macedonian]

What do you want for Ariza?

[The Wise 1]

Who wants Speights haha

[LD V2.0]

Secterm,

To save you time let me tell you this. The only time you'll ever see me involved in a two for one is when I'm giving two players and getting one, not the other way around. The reason? Because I am confident in my bench and I am also confident in my ability to fill that empty slot with a quality player. Speaking of quality players, JJ Redick and Matt Barnes are not quality fantasy players. They both benefited from injuries on the Magic. If you want Stephen Curry you're going to have to offer me something more than crap you picked up off the wire. If I want stuff like that I'll just go to the wire and cut you out completely. Peace.

[secterm]

Secterm,

To save you time let me tell you this. The only time you'll ever see me involved in a two for one is when I'm giving two players and getting one, not the other way around. The reason? Because I am confident in my bench and I am also confident in my ability to fill that empty slot with a quality player. Speaking of quality players, JJ Redick and Matt Barnes are not quality fantasy players. They both benefited from injuries on the Magic. If you want Stephen Curry you're going to have to offer me something more than crap you picked up off the wire. If I want stuff like that I'll just go to the wire and cut you out completely. Peace.

It was a fair offer. But don't worry, I won't make you any more offers. Obviously, you don't find alot of trading partners with your interpretation of what's fair. I have made several trades cause some people obviously know that I am reasonable when it comes to my roster.

[LD V2.0]

Barnes's and Redick's numbers are inflated due to Carter and Lewis being out. I had ample opportunity to grab Redick off the wire but I chose not to because I felt, and still feel, the guys on my bench are worth more than him to me. Bottom line, both those guys will be back on the wire before the season is out and so I could just wait for you to drop them if I were interested in either. Stephen Curry was drafted in the top ten, he's getting accustomed to his team and the league but is going to play a big role this season and both Monta Ellis and Stephen Jackson having issues with the coaching staff and both of them could potentially be traded this year, Curry is only going to be given more of a role.

[The Wise 1]

Mace, was it as good for you as it was for me? :)

[secterm]

holy smokes. I don't get it...Mace has a fairly good team. 9-1 is insane. I took Mile high 8-2 and I thought I was top dog. Whoa.

[Macedonian]

Mace, was it as good for you as it was for me? :):hide:

[secterm]

:hide:

lol

[Macedonian]

sectrem, I'm interested in Ariza... Send me an offer!:)

[LD V2.0]

Alright! Mike Dunleavey is finally getting ready to make his season debut. He should be back with the next week or so. Doctors have cleared him. Claiming him and tieing up that roster spot might have been a really good move.

[secterm]

Alright! Mike Dunleavey is finally getting ready to make his season debut. He should be back with the next week or so. Doctors have cleared him. Claiming him and tieing up that roster spot might have been a really good move.

It all depends on what happens with Prince. Prince was picked up right away by a manager so he might potentially be either useless or come back from injury and be Prince again. There is a manager out there that is really hoping Prince heals up. I know I would have picked Prince up if I had waiver priority (I tried but I was ousted).

But Dunleavy could work well, it's a craps shoot at this point.

[secterm]

sectrem, I'm interested in Ariza... Send me an offer!:)

Why don't you send me an offer (PM or through Yahoo)...Obviously I like Ariza so it depends on what you are willing to offer. I'm willing to atleast listen to a proposal, but if the proposal is weak...than Ariza stays on team secterm.

[The Wise 1]

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haha ive never een that one before.

i did it with with only 12 players also (speights shaq and bell out). Be afraid league. be very afraid.

[secterm]

haha ive never een that one before.

i did it with with only 12 players also (speights shaq and bell out). Be afraid league. be very afraid.

true, true, but one sprained ankle for Mr. Lebron and your team plummets. Your team is definitely riding on King James. But you know what they say, enjoy it while it last cause who knows. Maybe Bron does this all year, maybe he slows down, maybe an injury...anything is possible.

BTW, that was an impressive victory either way and I am a little scared (lol).

[LD V2.0]

It all depends on what happens with Prince. Prince was picked up right away by a manager so he might potentially be either useless or come back from injury and be Prince again. There is a manager out there that is really hoping Prince heals up. I know I would have picked Prince up if I had waiver priority (I tried but I was ousted).

But Dunleavy could work well, it's a craps shoot at this point.

Mike was ranked 19th overall two seasons ago. Prince typically hovers around the 80-110 range. Prince also had back problems and typcially those sorts of issues either go down two ways:

a.) laid up for months resting and healing
b.) play through, miss games off and on and overall consistency decreases substantially.

[swoop]

I'd like to formally apologize to Star. I was away on vacation, without net access. Thus I was unable to give your latest trade offer it's proper due. I'm sorry, please forgive me.
-swoop.

[LD V2.0]

Was that sarcasm? I always properly toss star's offers in the gag bin. :D

[secterm]

Was that sarcasm? I always properly toss star's offers in the gag bin. :D

The garbage bin to too good for those offers, I would suggest a garberator for that kind of crap.

[swoop]

I apologized for not being properly outraged. I assume that's what he's going for. I mean, they can't be serious can they ?

[secterm]

The league has been slowing down alot...so let's try and put a spark into it. I am looking to make a deal if I get a fair offer. My roster below.

PG Jason Kidd (Dal - PG)
SG Trevor Ariza (Hou - SG,SF)
G Nate Robinson (NY - PG,SG)
SF Courtney Lee (NJ - SG,SF)
PF Kevin Garnett (Bos - PF)
F Lamar Odom (LAL - SF,PF)
C Erick Dampier (Dal - C)
C Andray Blatche (Was - PF,C)
Util Mario Chalmers (Mia - PG)
Util J.R. Smith (Den - SG,SF)
BN Anthony Morrow (GS - SG,SF)
BN Chris Kaman (LAC - C)
BN Jason Richardson (Pho - SG,SF)
BN LaMarcus Aldridge (Por - PF,C)INJ
BN C.J. Watson (GS - PG,SG)

[Bob_at_york]

The league has been slowing down alot...so let's try and put a spark into it.
Really? I hadn't noticed that it was slow. My team has had some tough injuries. we are just trying to wait them out and then plan on moving back up the standings.

[secterm]

Really? I hadn't noticed that it was slow. My team has had some tough injuries. we are just trying to wait them out and then plan on moving back up the standings.

but if you lose to much ground to injuries, it'll be a tough go at it. I am willing to part with a Center in the offer is right.

Also, by slowing down I mean not as much trade activity as there was last in the first month of the league.

[Bob_at_york]

but if you lose to much ground to injuries, it'll be a tough go at it.
I am aware of that but there isn't much I can do. No point in trading my players while their value is low and in the end I believe in my players.


Also, by slowing down I mean not as much trade activity as there was last in the first month of the league.
Once again, sometimes you need to accept the fact that some people are patient and want to wait and watch their players play.

[secterm]

I am aware of that but there isn't much I can do. No point in trading my players while their value is low and in the end I believe in my players.


Once again, sometimes you need to accept the fact that some people are patient and want to wait and watch their players play.

Not disagreeing, but I don't know if it about patients. Sometimes it's about mixing things up and building strength in different categories. It's also more involved and interesting (for me atleast) than just watching and hoping for the best.