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elite_status
08-28-2009, 02:12 PM
who's the best PG in the East?

my vote goes to Devin Harris.

Raph12
08-28-2009, 02:15 PM
Harris, Rondo, Rose, Nelson, Calderon, Williams in that order atm.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-28-2009, 02:19 PM
Wheres the great Mike James???:confused:

SaimoNETS
08-28-2009, 02:19 PM
Harrissssssss!
then, Derrick Rose at 2nd.

td0tsfinest
08-28-2009, 02:21 PM
wow the east is lacky some great PGs

jrice9
08-28-2009, 02:21 PM
Im a raps fan and I went Harris here

cubbybear2290
08-28-2009, 02:30 PM
Right now it is Devin Harris, then Derrick Rose, then Rondo, Nelson, and Calderon.
Though Soon it will be Derrick Rose at the best, eventually i feel he will be one of the best 2 PGs in the league.

D Roses Bulls
08-28-2009, 02:30 PM
last season harris, this coming season it will be derrick rose

Unruly Fan
08-28-2009, 02:31 PM
Harris, Rondo, Rose, Nelson, Calderon, Williams in that order atm.This but Calderon over Nelson.

Gibby23
08-28-2009, 02:34 PM
Rondo.

Saint Brian
08-28-2009, 02:34 PM
Harris followed by Rose.

HoopsMachine
08-28-2009, 02:35 PM
wow the east is lacky some great PGs

I wouldn't say lacking, all those guys are good PG's but West has better overall PG's with Paul, Williams, Billups, Nash, and Kidd.

Raph12
08-28-2009, 02:36 PM
This but Calderon over Nelson.

TO fan figures lol

bbcmillionaire
08-28-2009, 02:54 PM
Right now it is Devin Harris, then Derrick Rose, then Rondo, Nelson, and Calderon.
Though Soon it will be Derrick Rose at the best, eventually i feel he will be one of the best 2 PGs in the league.

i agree with my fellow cubs,bears, and bull fan here. but maybe a case can be made for rondo being 1? his defense is nice

Ace33Bone
08-28-2009, 02:57 PM
Rondo
Rose
HArris
Arenas
Calderon

jim51990
08-28-2009, 02:59 PM
rondo harris THEN rose he is not at this time a better player then either of them

Raps08-09 Champ
08-28-2009, 02:59 PM
Derrick Rose is doing it for me right now.

Ace33Bone
08-28-2009, 03:02 PM
I wouldn't say lacking, all those guys are good PG's but West has better overall PG's with Paul, Williams, Billups, Nash, and Kidd.

The west is definitely better equipped at the PG spot... and I feel that Billups is the best in the league as far as PGs go

MiamiHeat
08-28-2009, 03:10 PM
if Devin Harris is the best PG in the East then wow.... we are lacking some PGs

todu82
08-28-2009, 03:13 PM
Devin Harris

Chicagofaithful
08-28-2009, 03:14 PM
Yeah I'm going to have to say as of right now

Harris
Rose
Calderon
Arenas

But i think by season's end Rose will be considered elite and better than Harris

MTar786
08-28-2009, 03:18 PM
devin harris then rose

THiiRTYONE
08-28-2009, 03:20 PM
Devin Harris! He might not shine to some ppl case he has terrible team, but let's say you give him key players he will easily dominate!

bbcmillionaire
08-28-2009, 03:20 PM
shout out to my homie chalmers, too many people sleeping on him

KnicksPain
08-28-2009, 03:26 PM
Is Gilbert Arenas not a point guard? I mean I know he is primarily a scorer but he only plays the pg position soooo....

Sports Illustrator
08-28-2009, 03:26 PM
Devin Harris seems to be the best PG in the East right now, but Derrick Rose isn't too far away from him as of right now. Things can certainly change throughout this season though.

bigsams50
08-28-2009, 03:30 PM
rondo, harris, then rose

AllTheWay
08-28-2009, 03:31 PM
1.)Devin Harris

He had a higher PPG average, a higher APG avg, more rebounds per game, a higher PER, more win shares, more spg, and is a better defender than Rose.

2.) Rose

I was inclined to go Nelson here, and his PER is about 4 points up on Rose, but with Nelsons injury, it has to be Rose. Guy should only get better from here on out.

3.) Rondo

Again, the injury to Nelson makes me put him under Rondo as well. Rondo's great defense, passing, and rebounding, compiled with a great FG%, help make up for his lack of a consistent jumpshot.

4.) Nelson

If Jameer had played the whole season, he would have been number 2. He had a breakout year, but he isn't exactly as young as the others.

5.) Calderon

Jose is the most efficient of the PGs in the East, but his terrible defense, worst of the PGs listed in the poll, made me drop him here at number 5. Best passer and shooter of the group however.

6.) Williams

Mo is an excellent scorer and shooter, and has some talent passing the ball. His defense is around average to good, and I just do not think he is good enough to put above any of the other guys.

krest213
08-28-2009, 03:35 PM
harris.. next in line will be mario chalmers

Slaps
08-28-2009, 03:47 PM
If Rondo improves as much this year as he did the previous year he's going to be a beast.

Everyone is giving Rose the HOF a little early for my tastes but if he does better then last year he could easily take the #1 spot.

SaimoNETS
08-28-2009, 04:17 PM
if Devin Harris is the best PG in the East then wow.... we are lacking some PGs

uhhh what is that supposed to mean?

Harris is considered by many to be a top 5 PG in the league.

Raph12
08-28-2009, 04:49 PM
uhhh what is that supposed to mean?

Harris is considered by many to be a top 5 PG in the league.

Agreed, but having the Top 4 in the West does make the East weaker at the point.

Top 10 PGs As of July 2009 IMO:

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Chauncey Billups
4. Tony Parker
5. Devin Harris
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Jason Kidd
8. Steve Nash
9. Derrick Rose
10. Jameer Nelson


Top 10 PGs Prediction for 2009-10 IMO:

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Chauncey Billups
4. Devin Harris
5. Tony Parker
6. Derrick Rose
7. Rajon Rondo
8. Steve Nash
9. Jameer Nelson
10. Jason Kidd

op12
08-28-2009, 05:09 PM
Harris, Rondo, Rose, Nelson, Calderon, Williams in that order atm.

agreed

mikantsass
08-28-2009, 05:12 PM
Harris, Rondo, Rose, Nelson, Calderon, Williams in that order atm.

agreed

Ethix11
08-28-2009, 05:26 PM
Arenas. Harris. Rondo. Rose. Williams. Nelson. Calderon.

SeoulBeatz
08-28-2009, 05:37 PM
Devin Harris
Arenas
Rose
Rondo
Nelson
Calderon

dre1990
08-28-2009, 05:48 PM
Rajon Rondo

Reversed86Curse
08-28-2009, 05:50 PM
How can anyone put Arenas on the list? The guy hasn't played in how long? No telling how he'll even perform once he comes back

smith&wesson
08-28-2009, 05:54 PM
harris
rose
rondo
nelson
calderon
mo will.

arenas will be up there this year too. i dont know how he was snubbed off this list. maybe because he was injured BUT so was nelson and calderon for most of the season.

nyyankees09
08-28-2009, 05:58 PM
1 Harris
2 Rose

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 06:23 PM
As of now...

Harris
Arenas
Rondo
Rose
Nelson
Williams
Calderon

But by the end of next season I think it will be:

Rose
Arenas
Harris
Rondo
Nelson
Williams
Calderon

azkarraga
08-28-2009, 06:32 PM
arenas (healthy), rose, calderon, nelson, harris, rondo

azkarraga
08-28-2009, 06:34 PM
rondo, harris, nelson, rose, calderon, arenas

azkarraga
08-28-2009, 06:34 PM
arg, i'm not sure

lol

NYCZSAGE
08-28-2009, 06:55 PM
Harris is overrated.


Rose is the best pg in the east.

DetroitRipCity
08-28-2009, 06:57 PM
Rose but once the Raptors fans smell this thread calderon will win

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 06:58 PM
Harris is overrated.


Rose is the best pg in the east.

How is 21 and 7 overrated?

drelakers17
08-28-2009, 07:09 PM
lets not forget about gilbert arenas????

Kidddd
08-28-2009, 07:10 PM
Devin Harris or Jose Calderon

drelakers17
08-28-2009, 07:11 PM
Glbert arenas

AllTheWay
08-28-2009, 07:42 PM
We have yet to see if Arenas can still play at that level.

And how is Harris overrated?

theuuord
08-28-2009, 07:44 PM
Devin Harris...

DeShaun Brown
08-28-2009, 07:58 PM
Of the guys listed above, none of them has reached their current level of play in as little time as D-1. The average years of NBA experience between Harris, Rondo, Nelson, Calderon, and Williams is 4.6 years. That average goes up to 5.16 years if you add Arenas to the mix. Rose will be entering his second season in the league and is already being mentioned as one of the leagues top point guards and is among the leagues "most effective endorsers" (see link below), meaning he is becoming one of the more popular players. One player, when discussing Rose's game, even goes as far as to say that he's better than CP3 in some aspects of the game. Who was that player? CP3 himself (see link below).

Someone pointed out that Harris had the least amount of talent around him, but Rose is the only player on this list who plays for a team that had no all-stars (past or present). Williams had Lebron, Calderon had Bosh, Nelson had Howard and Lewis, Harris had Carter, and Rondo had Garnett, Pierce, and Allen.

You could also argue that after getting a year of experience under his belt and working to improve his jumper, defense, and other aspects of his game this offseason, Rose should be able to elevate his game. Then some will argue that he should also benefit from better calls from the refs, calls that he may or may not have gotten last year because he was a rookie. Lastly, the lose of Ben Gordon will force Derrick to be more aggressive and take on a bigger role this season. Like some have already said, He may not have been the best pg in the east last year, but by the end of this season, he will own that title.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13638

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvSGhoj60qY&feature=channel

Shady66
08-28-2009, 08:14 PM
Honestly if calerdon new how to run a fastbreak and could create his own shots every now and then he would be number 1, but its obviously harris

skizzlebizzle5
08-28-2009, 08:40 PM
If the Bulls do really good and are a 4th or 5th seed team 45+ win team Rose might make it over Harris. Nets don't have much nationally televised games this year, cause the nets are predicted to be one of the worst teams in the NBA. So Rose might get more spot light than Harris. It could be a race between Rose and Rondo, they are both on very popular teams and are televised a lot. Plus i think they are better all around players than Harris...but we'll see what happens

theuuord
08-28-2009, 08:42 PM
If the Bulls do really good and are a 4th or 5th seed team 45+ win team Rose might make it over Harris. Nets don't have much nationally televised games this year, cause the nets are predicted to be one of the worst teams in the NBA. So Rose might get more spot light than Harris. It could be a race between Rose and Rondo, they are both on very popular teams and are televised a lot. Plus i think they are better all around players than Harris...but we'll see what happens

What does spotlight matter in this comparison?

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 08:52 PM
Of the guys listed above, none of them has reached their current level of play in as little time as D-1. The average years of NBA experience between Harris, Rondo, Nelson, Calderon, and Williams is 4.6 years. That average goes up to 5.16 years if you add Arenas to the mix. Rose will be entering his second season in the league and is already being mentioned as one of the leagues top point guards and is among the leagues "most effective endorsers" (see link below), meaning he is becoming one of the more popular players. One player, when discussing Rose's game, even goes as far as to say that he's better than CP3 in some aspects of the game. Who was that player? CP3 himself (see link below).

Someone pointed out that Harris had the least amount of talent around him, but Rose is the only player on this list who plays for a team that had no all-stars (past or present). Williams had Lebron, Calderon had Bosh, Nelson had Howard and Lewis, Harris had Carter, and Rondo had Garnett, Pierce, and Allen.

You could also argue that after getting a year of experience under his belt and working to improve his jumper, defense, and other aspects of his game this offseason, Rose should be able to elevate his game. Then some will argue that he should also benefit from better calls from the refs, calls that he may or may not have gotten last year because he was a rookie. Lastly, the lose of Ben Gordon will force Derrick to be more aggressive and take on a bigger role this season. Like some have already said, He may not have been the best pg in the east last year, but by the end of this season, he will own that title.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13638

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvSGhoj60qY&feature=channel

Agreed. As of now Harris is the better player, but by next seasons end Rose will rise up and be the best PG in the east.

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 08:55 PM
Harris averaged less MPG then Rose and still averaged 5 more points, .6 more assists, and an extra steal a game?

Yeah Harris is clearly the better player. It might take Rose 2 years to get there

TO Rapz
08-28-2009, 09:01 PM
last season harris
future rose
NOw calderon

Shady66
08-28-2009, 09:04 PM
^^ For Calderon to be the best in the east right now, hed have to run the fastbreak, which he for some reason cant. last season if u switched calerdon with Harris, or Rose, or almost any good PG the raptors would have made the playoffs

TheKing23
08-28-2009, 09:09 PM
I'm sorry, I went with Mo as a homer pick but in all honesty I think Devin Harris pips Derrick Rose... ever so slightly.

Couple of years time though, it could be different.

TheMicrowave
08-28-2009, 09:16 PM
I think you can make arguments for each guy up there.

I actually think it is Rose though. He brought the Bulls to the playoffs and had a heck of a year.

Harris does not have much help, but improved big time this year. If he can bring the Nets into the playoffs soon he will go higher on my rankings.

Rondo is great, but is not as complete because he is not a great shooter. He has the best supporting cast.

UK Ivy
08-28-2009, 09:37 PM
how can anyone say that Rondo is better than Rose??

patsfan32
08-28-2009, 09:56 PM
you have to go with rose.
it can't be rondo.
he hurt the celtics in the playoffs last year since he has no jump shot what so ever... teams left him open and doubled up on pierce and ray.

however, if he ever learns how to shoot consistently from outside, then he should be one of the top PG's in the NBA.

MAC10TIZZY
08-28-2009, 10:11 PM
i knew it was a long shot, but DAMMMMMM 1 vote(jameer)

IversonIsKrazy
08-28-2009, 10:19 PM
upcoming season, now with BG gone and more possesion of time for Rose, he'll be the best PG in the East. Then Harris, then Nelson, then Jose, then Mo, then lastly Rondo(sry, hes not going to score more than 12ppg, while getting 8apg, but i mean, he has Allen, KG, and Pierce along with Sheed & Perkins)

roshan3ai
08-28-2009, 10:48 PM
Rajon Rondo is extremely overrated- If you have a dead-eye shooter in Ray Allen on one wing, and Paul Pierce on the other, then KG and Perk in the post, any decent point guard can get seven-nine assists per game. With much of the attention on KG, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen, Rondo gets one on one matchups almost all of the time, and granted he's great at getting to the hoop, he has absolutely no jump shot.

I'd go with Derrick Rose, not because of the stats, but because he brought the Bulls to the playoffs in his rookie year, and he made his teammates better. He even improved on his jump shot, and he will soon be the best pg in the NBA.

B2B
08-29-2009, 12:53 PM
1, Harris
2, Rose
3, Rondo
(4/5/6), Williams/Nelson/Calderon

SlaterRaps
08-29-2009, 01:02 PM
after his playoff performance id say Derrick Rose

Ovratd1up
08-29-2009, 01:25 PM
I don't get why people choose Rondo as better than not only Rose but Harris too. He had one good playoffs, maybe great playoffs, but no way he is best in the East or better than those two, especially Harris.

As of now, it is


1. Harris
2. Rose



3. Arenas (wildcard)
4. Rondo

5. Nelson




6. Calderon

7. Williams
8. Bibby

9.Stuckey

10. Ford

And call me crazy, but if Hinrich started, he would be in the top 6. Expecially in a LeBron situation like Mo Williams is in. Raymod Felton missed the cut, Jaret Jack and DJ.
Augustin aren't starting, and Ramon Sessions might move West.

CELTICS4LYFE
08-29-2009, 02:03 PM
1. rose 2. rondo ....easily harris is a better scorer but not pg....everyone is hating on rondo cuz he dont have a consistent jumper....thats it lol everything else he does extremely well!!

ryanj12344
08-29-2009, 02:17 PM
for sure jameer when hes healthy. then derrick rose

roshan3ai
08-29-2009, 02:21 PM
I don't get why people choose Rondo as better than not only Rose but Harris too. He had one good playoffs, maybe great playoffs, but no way he is best in the East or better than those two, especially Harris.

As of now, it is


1. Harris
2. Rose



3. Arenas (wildcard)
4. Rondo

5. Nelson




6. Calderon

7. Williams
8. Bibby

9.Stuckey

10. Ford

And call me crazy, but if Hinrich started, he would be in the top 6. Expecially in a LeBron situation like Mo Williams is in. Raymod Felton missed the cut, Jaret Jack and DJ.
Augustin aren't starting, and Ramon Sessions might move West.

Good call, if Arenas is healthy, he very well may be the top pg in the east this year

nba~GURU~
08-29-2009, 02:23 PM
1.)Devin Harris

He had a higher PPG average, a higher APG avg, more rebounds per game, a higher PER, more win shares, more spg, and is a better defender than Rose.

2.) Rose

I was inclined to go Nelson here, and his PER is about 4 points up on Rose, but with Nelsons injury, it has to be Rose. Guy should only get better from here on out.

3.) Rondo

Again, the injury to Nelson makes me put him under Rondo as well. Rondo's great defense, passing, and rebounding, compiled with a great FG%, help make up for his lack of a consistent jumpshot.

4.) Nelson

If Jameer had played the whole season, he would have been number 2. He had a breakout year, but he isn't exactly as young as the others.

5.) Calderon

Jose is the most efficient of the PGs in the East, but his terrible defense, worst of the PGs listed in the poll, made me drop him here at number 5. Best passer and shooter of the group however.

6.) Williams

Mo is an excellent scorer and shooter, and has some talent passing the ball. His defense is around average to good, and I just do not think he is good enough to put above any of the other guys.




impressive well done :clap: agreed 100%

mrblisterdundee
08-29-2009, 03:52 PM
Harris is the best. Rose probably will be ultimately, but he hasn't proven himself better than Harris.

Kakaroach
08-29-2009, 04:04 PM
Harris
Rondo
Rose
Arenas
Calderon

Mave1002
08-30-2009, 07:04 AM
Im a lakers fan but yeah, Rondo's pretty good.

Tom81
08-30-2009, 07:07 AM
Derrick Rose

GAWDtv
08-30-2009, 11:35 AM
Arenas
Rose
Nelson
Harris
Mo Williams
Rondo
Sessions
Bibby
Calderon

RaptorizedKevin
08-30-2009, 11:40 AM
Devin Harris, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Jose Calderon, Jammeer Nelson , Mo Williams.. i dont see even how mo williams is considered one of the best point guards n the nba.. he can score.. but thats about it? look at mike bibby, even bibby is better in my opinion. Plus.. no ai? AI is a future hall of famer, you gotta include him on this list, regardless if he returns to the eastern confrance..

RaptorizedKevin
08-30-2009, 11:41 AM
Arenas
Rose
Nelson
Harris
Mo Williams
Rondo
Sessions
Bibby
Calderon

Areneas isnt a point guard , hes a shooting guard.. how is sesssions better than Jose calderon? and mo williams above rondo? thats bull my lord... and nelson above harris? This thread should be closed all its doing is allowing peopel to post their opinions of whos better, without thought to it.. basically useless if peopel post like that.

ANd By the way, Sessions cant shoot from the 3, or make free throws.. i dont see how hes better than calderon. and as much as im a derrick rose fan, we cant say hes the best point guard in the nba, he just started. You cant Class him by his rookie year, and say " HES THE BEST IN THE NBA" No no.. but i do think he will be . because of his explosive potentiall. but for now, you cant say hes the best.

jackyyy
08-30-2009, 12:09 PM
[QUOTE=RaptorizedKevin;10696180 This thread should be closed all its doing is allowing peopel to post their opinions of whos better, without thought to it.. basically useless if peopel post like that.

[/QUOTE]

that's stupid .. do you want another thread where all the Raptors homers are hiding and just voting for the raptors without any explaination why they voted?

BaustinSali08
08-30-2009, 12:11 PM
Harris, but Arenas could be back on top this year.

Trouble87
08-30-2009, 12:35 PM
Rose

PBG
08-30-2009, 12:59 PM
you all have to be smoking a massive rock or something. you all basically have calderon listed last, WTF are you guys thinking :crazy: ?!!?! do you guys even watch basketball? seriously, im ****ing baffled by you fools.

rondo
calderon
harris
nelson
rose
williams

disk 8
08-30-2009, 01:20 PM
rondo

MagicBucsSox
08-30-2009, 01:31 PM
arenas when healthy harris,rondo,rose,nelson

MagicBucsSox
08-30-2009, 01:32 PM
Areneas isnt a point guard , hes a shooting guard.. how is sesssions better than Jose calderon? and mo williams above rondo? thats bull my lord... and nelson above harris? This thread should be closed all its doing is allowing peopel to post their opinions of whos better, without thought to it.. basically useless if peopel post like that.

ANd By the way, Sessions cant shoot from the 3, or make free throws.. i dont see how hes better than calderon. and as much as im a derrick rose fan, we cant say hes the best point guard in the nba, he just started. You cant Class him by his rookie year, and say " HES THE BEST IN THE NBA" No no.. but i do think he will be . because of his explosive potentiall. but for now, you cant say hes the best.

arenas is listed as a pg SO HE'S A PG

Kyben36
08-30-2009, 01:44 PM
I dont even consider Nelson and Mo Williams PGs, they are scorers, With Hedo gone, I think Nelson will be exposed as the scorer only he is. Mo Doesnt control games, the only PGs I see are Rose, Calderon, Harris and Rondo, and I think that rose and Harris still arent your true PGs, both are more scoring oriented,

kozelkid
08-30-2009, 02:51 PM
How is 21 and 7 overrated?

Because he didn't improve at all from the previous season, except his fta doubled. More love from refs?
Besides he was unbelievably inconsistent.
Some months his scoring average was mid 20s, other months mid teens.
And the fact that Rondo is being rated so high atm, simply blows my mind.
Rose is also fairly overrated atm, though I do believe by the end of the season he certainly will be a top 5 pg in the league.

kozelkid
08-30-2009, 02:54 PM
I don't get why people choose Rondo as better than not only Rose but Harris too. He had one good playoffs, maybe great playoffs, but no way he is best in the East or better than those two, especially Harris.

As of now, it is


1. Harris
2. Rose



3. Arenas (wildcard)
4. Rondo

5. Nelson




6. Calderon

7. Williams
8. Bibby

9.Stuckey

10. Ford

And call me crazy, but if Hinrich started, he would be in the top 6. Expecially in a LeBron situation like Mo Williams is in. Raymod Felton missed the cut, Jaret Jack and DJ.
Augustin aren't starting, and Ramon Sessions might move West.

I definitely agree with your Hinrich assertion. Fact of the matter, Calderon, Hinrich, Mo, and Jameer are all essentially in the same boat. Above average pgs who can be allstars on the right team. Jameer and Mo got lucky playing with 2 of the top 5 players in the league.

theuuord
08-30-2009, 02:55 PM
Because he didn't improve at all from the previous season, except his fta doubled. More love from refs?

Not at all. he became much more of a slasher as the Nets switched to the dribble drive offense. It had nothing to do with love for the refs and everything to do with him sacrificing his body every night.


Besides he was unbelievably inconsistent.

Not at all. He was our most consistent offensive threat before his injury. If anything, Rose was far more inconsistent - look at his monthly splits and you'll see a deep drop midseason.


Some months his scoring average was mid 20s, other months mid teens.

Again, because of his injuries. He averaged over 20 points in 4 out of 6 months, and the two he didn't was due to recovery. Please do your research.

zambo4president
08-30-2009, 02:59 PM
Rose without a doubt.

randomness
08-30-2009, 03:21 PM
Right now:

1. Harris
2. Rose
3. Calderon
4. Nelson
5. Rondo

Now, when healthy:

1. Arenas
2. Harris
3. Rose
4. Calderon
5. Nelson

In their primes, healthy:

1. Rose
2. Arenas
3. Rose
4. Calderon
5. Nelson

theuuord
08-30-2009, 03:31 PM
1. Rose
2. Arenas
3. Rose
4. Calderon
5. Nelson

Rose is good and all, but to be the best and the third best is pretty darn impressive.

Toenail Clipper
08-30-2009, 04:01 PM
The answer to this is Derrick Rose.

carter15
08-30-2009, 04:18 PM
bulls fans have taken over!!!
no question in my mind rose WILL be the best PG in the east within 2 years. Maybe even after this season. But right now Harris is clearly better then him.

Evolution23
08-30-2009, 04:55 PM
Its Nelson he was an allstar before the injury

Reversed86Curse
08-30-2009, 05:27 PM
you have to go with rose.
it can't be rondo.
he hurt the celtics in the playoffs last year since he has no jump shot what so ever... teams left him open and doubled up on pierce and ray.

however, if he ever learns how to shoot consistently from outside, then he should be one of the top PG's in the NBA.

Did you even watch the playoffs? 16.9 points, 9.7 rebounds and 9.8 assists in the playoffs with 3 triple doubles. The Celtics were 'hurt' by injuries and Ray Allen disappearing every other game. It wasn't Rondo, he was the only consistant player during both series.

theimortalone
08-30-2009, 05:30 PM
I went with Rondo. :shrug:

But in a few years D-Rose is the future of the East.

PrettyBoyJ
08-30-2009, 05:46 PM
Rose is the true point guard out of the list... Harris is jus a good scorer.. needs to actually be a floor general to bo considered a pg in my opinion.. and Rondo He plays wit 3 future hall of famers.. you cant go wrong passing the ball to any of the 3 and watch ya assist numbers jump

blazerman
08-30-2009, 05:50 PM
Harris, but Arenas could be back on top this year.

I think kakaroach lead you to believe Arenas is a PG, well he's not he's a SG.

All SG's handle the ball but dont let that fool you into believing he's a PG.

kozelkid
08-30-2009, 08:26 PM
Not at all. he became much more of a slasher as the Nets switched to the dribble drive offense. It had nothing to do with love for the refs and everything to do with him sacrificing his body every night.

He drove quite a bit in Dallas. As much as a Net. Maybe you didn't watch much of Dallas. However I did, considering they are my second favorite team. I'd expect you to be defensive though seeing as you are a Nets fan.




Not at all. He was our most consistent offensive threat before his injury. If anything, Rose was far more inconsistent - look at his monthly splits and you'll see a deep drop midseason.


No ****. I even said that. He was a rookie, and that's to be expected.
Harris was inconsistent as well though. He played great til Jan. Then sucked, then played great again for 2 months then sucked in April. Don't use injury as an excuse. He was inconsistent. Get over it.


Again, because of his injuries. He averaged over 20 points in 4 out of 6 months, and the two he didn't was due to recovery. Please do your research.

False. I'd agree with you if those 2 months was consecutive. But they were out of nowhere. That can be expected for one of the months, but not both. Cmon man, don't be a homer. I'm willing to except that Rose is overrated, cause it's true, but Harris is just as overrated if not more.

jc4life
08-31-2009, 07:21 AM
Devin Harris is the best pg in the east. Rose is a great player but stop overrating him, he's not that great.Oh yeah and stop saying Harris is not a true point guard and rose is because Harris averages more assists than he does.

elpirata224
08-31-2009, 08:13 AM
all the 159 people who voted need to fight me im mike and i live in idaho ::mad::speechless: **** caldoran go scalabrini

j-bay
08-31-2009, 08:57 AM
so you leave agent zero off

Sportfan
08-31-2009, 09:19 AM
Rose is getting too overrated :pity: i'd take Harris and Rondo over Rose right now.

Sportfan
08-31-2009, 09:21 AM
so you leave agent zero off

Hasn't been healthy for the past 2 years. Plus he doesn't even play the pg position right

PJAF
08-31-2009, 09:22 AM
Pretty sad list. I guess Harris.

awr0430
08-31-2009, 10:15 AM
This but Calderon over Nelson.

I second that notion. I think Nelson is more of a scoring point guard then an all-around point. Calderon is a pass first point guard with good scoring ability.

Missing56&33
08-31-2009, 10:45 AM
Deron Williams

theuuord
08-31-2009, 12:28 PM
He drove quite a bit in Dallas. As much as a Net. Maybe you didn't watch much of Dallas. However I did, considering they are my second favorite team. I'd expect you to be defensive though seeing as you are a Nets fan.

lol. It has nothing to do with fandom and everything to do with facts (fun fact though - when I talk about the Nets objectively, clearly it's just my bias, but you seem to assume you're awfully impartial).
Clearly you don't watch much of Jersey if you can honestly say you think he drove as much in Dallas as NJ, or, for that matter, did ANYTHING in Dallas as much as he did in NJ.
In Dallas he was a third offensive option. In NJ his usage rate shot up from 22 to 28% in one year. This is because the Nets run a specific offense called the dribble-drive offense. Dallas did not.


No ****. I even said that. He was a rookie, and that's to be expected.
Harris was inconsistent as well though. He played great til Jan. Then sucked, then played great again for 2 months then sucked in April. Don't use injury as an excuse. He was inconsistent. Get over it.

lol, speaking of being completely ignorant. Harris suffered a hamstring injury in January:
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/01/hamstring_sidelines_devin_harr.html

then in mid-March injured his shoulder, which caused him to miss games and then come back too early and re-aggravate it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4061554

TWO injuries, in the TWO different months.

get it? Got it? Good.


False. I'd agree with you if those 2 months was consecutive. But they were out of nowhere.

They were out of nowhere if you didn't know how to read, or watch basketball, sure.
But anyone who, y'know, knows what an injury is, on the other hand, could see the dip coming.


That can be expected for one of the months, but not both. Cmon man, don't be a homer.

yeah, I totally made up those two NJ.com and ESPN articles with injuries to further my invented case.

Oh, wait, no I didn't. You just didn't watch the Nets and then made up an argument with no research.

kozelkid
08-31-2009, 06:13 PM
lol. It has nothing to do with fandom and everything to do with facts (fun fact though - when I talk about the Nets objectively, clearly it's just my bias, but you seem to assume you're awfully impartial).
Clearly you don't watch much of Jersey if you can honestly say you think he drove as much in Dallas as NJ, or, for that matter, did ANYTHING in Dallas as much as he did in NJ.
In Dallas he was a third offensive option. In NJ his usage rate shot up from 22 to 28% in one year. This is because the Nets run a specific offense called the dribble-drive offense. Dallas did not.
Funny. You clearly did your research considering Harris attempted a whole 10% more shots inside in Dallas as opposed to NJ. That surely explains his great foul rate though :rolleyes: And again, his fga didn't increase from his previous year at NJ to even warrent such a high increase in fta. I assume they were running the double drive offense last season as well unless I am mistaken. So again, he took basically the same number of fga last season with Nets, yet his fta DOUBLED. Care to explain please.
http://www.82games.com/0708/07DAL4A.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08NJN1.HTM

Can't wait to hear your rebuttal on this though. ;)



lol, speaking of being completely ignorant. Harris suffered a hamstring injury in January:
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/01/hamstring_sidelines_devin_harr.html

then in mid-March injured his shoulder, which caused him to miss games and then come back too early and re-aggravate it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4061554

Fair enough. I was wrong, I though he only had one injury. I apologize.

Shady66
08-31-2009, 06:15 PM
Right now its obviously Devin Harris, then rose.

Chronz
08-31-2009, 06:21 PM
Harris by a mile

theuuord
08-31-2009, 08:41 PM
Funny. You clearly did your research considering Harris attempted a whole 10% more shots inside in Dallas as opposed to NJ. That surely explains his great foul rate though :rolleyes: And again, his fga didn't increase from his previous year at NJ to even warrent such a high increase in fta. I assume they were running the double drive offense last season as well unless I am mistaken. So again, he took basically the same number of fga last season with Nets, yet his fta DOUBLED. Care to explain please.
http://www.82games.com/0708/07DAL4A.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0809/08NJN1.HTM

First of all, the Nets implemented the dribble drive (not double drive) offense this past year. It was not part of the Nets offense until this last season.
Look at the numbers you just showed me! Harris averaged under 10 shots per game with Dallas and averaged over 15 with New Jersey. That's on the 82games site. It's right there.

The most telling stat, though, is again, on the two freaking stat sheets you linked: The foul draw rates.
Harris's foul rate went ALL the way up from 18.9% on Dallas that season, to a MASSIVE.... 20.2% on the Nets.
Oh wait, that's not "massive," that's "extremely minor."

Again, it's not rocket science. As for those %'s, shooting inside and driving are two different facets of basketball - if you look closer, the inside shot% minus the assist% on those shots went up from 8% to 11% when Harris went to the Nets - which means he created his shot going inside more, which means more opportunities to get fouled... ah, you get the picture. At least I hope so.

You couple five more shot attempts per game, plus a high usage rate, plus a higher rate of driving inside because of the dribble drive (not double drive) offense, and you're going to get a lot more free throw attempts - even if your drawn foul rate hasn't increased much.


Can't wait to hear your rebuttal on this though. ;)

Glad to oblige. And to do your research for you.


Fair enough. I was wrong, I though he only had one injury. I apologize.

Accepted.

AllTheWay
08-31-2009, 08:48 PM
Wow, so many votes for Rose?

:pity:

jdricks
08-31-2009, 08:56 PM
Harris is the best now with players like Jameer Caulderon and Rondo behind him though Rondo is really overrated. Derrick Rose is being pushed up the list after only one season. Lets see how he does this year and lets see some consistency,

SaimoNETS
08-31-2009, 09:07 PM
wow, Derrick Rose is actually winning this thing? :pity:

jerseykidd88
08-31-2009, 09:20 PM
DH34 is the best he da he da best best east eva had best east eva had he da he da best

MrFastBreak
08-31-2009, 10:13 PM
I dont understand why people picked Rose when they only seen a year of his play in the NBA.

akesh99
08-31-2009, 10:29 PM
Right Now:

Harris
Rose
Rondo
Calderon
Nelson
Williams

By the end of the season:

Rose
Harris
Calderon
Rondo
Arenas
Nelson

Chicagofaithful
08-31-2009, 10:53 PM
Rondo is so bad

Chicagofaithful
08-31-2009, 10:55 PM
lol

JordansBulls
08-31-2009, 10:56 PM
Rose and then Mo

op12
08-31-2009, 10:57 PM
this has turned into a joke

magichatnumber9
08-31-2009, 11:06 PM
How is Mo Williams a point guard. He is a middle class man's Eddie House

OrLMaGiK1
08-31-2009, 11:08 PM
RIGHT NOW
Harris
Rose
Rondo
Arenas
Nelson
Calderon
Mo Will

End of Season
Arenas
Rose
Harris
Nelson
Rondo
Mo Will
Calderon

You guys are underrating Nelson a lot. everyone must be going by his play in the finals when he was less than 75%. He was an all star last year. Beat out rondo and rose

MajorFloridaFan
08-31-2009, 11:45 PM
devin harris...but jammer nelson could pass them all if he stays healthy

RaptorizedKevin
09-01-2009, 01:36 AM
honestly, theres no way rondo can be one of the top 3 point guards in the east. rondo is so sick though, by making plays.. he needs to improve his sthooting/free throws. other than that, my best bet is a top 3 point guard in the east xD.

Rondo needs to be efficent too, he may dish 8 assists, but he isnt as efficent as people think.

harris best point guard in the east.

top 5 point guards are

harris
Rondo
Rose
Calderon
Nelson

If your looking for the most efficent point guard.shooter.. yur looking at calderon. with his 98% free throw shooting, and leading the legue in assist/turnover ratio.

RaptorizedKevin
09-01-2009, 01:37 AM
Deron Williams

Sorry bro Deron is in the western conferance/

RaptorizedKevin
09-01-2009, 01:42 AM
arenas is listed as a pg SO HE'S A PG

that so stupid. its like saying.. "BLAKE GRIFFEN IS LISTED AT 6"10 in the nba" but his real height is 6"8.5 inches.

Terrible argument my friend. And areneas is just an undersized shooting guard. yu need to watch washingnton play more, instead of assuming waht yu read on stats or whatever your source is.

GAWDtv
09-02-2009, 03:52 AM
I'd like to throw Skip2MyLou in the mix as HE lead the Magic to the Finals, not Nelson. Rafer helped balance the attack that stopped the Cavs. When he was hitting shots that team looked like Showtime. I think if he started rather than Nelson and they keept the same rotation (or just replaced Anthony Johnson and let Nelson run back-up duties) they would have beat L.A.

I like Jose but he is over rated. His defense, or lack of it has been exposed and he stagnates the fastbreak as he does not throw the lead outlet pass. He's a good shooter, great back-up PG.

Arenas is a PG, he is the primary ball handler on his team, if that's not the point guard what is?

Rose is a great PG, I watched him in college as well and saw the potential then, last season was nothing and he's just getting better.

Super.
09-02-2009, 01:27 PM
Rose is NOT better than Rondo. Sorry bulls fans but its just not true. Did anyone watch the round one playoffs? Who averaged a TRIPLE DOUBLE against who. and who only had one great game?

That said Devin Harris is the best PG in the East

Super.
09-02-2009, 01:31 PM
Rose and then Mo

How in Gods name is Mo number 2? Mo Williams is the not even top 5

and the best part, the ridiculous homer pick. Rose is NOT the number on PG in the east. For Christ sakes the ridiculously poor jump shooting rondo averaged a TRIPLE DOUBLE against him in a 7 game series.

Seriously Bulls fans are some of the biggest NBA homers....

MackSnackWrap
09-02-2009, 02:15 PM
1) Harris
2)Rose
3)Calderon
4)Nelson
5)Arenas
6)Williams

Rose in time will become the best pg in the east