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Mavrix
08-27-2009, 12:47 AM
I'm going to go with Dallas. Trying not to be biased here but they have the best rebounding point guard, best rebounding small forward, great rebounding PF in Nowitzki and Howard is an above average rebounder at the 2 guard spot

Dampier is also known for his offensive rebounding

I'd go with LA next with Bynum, Odom, Artest, and Kobe

Which team will lead the league in rebounds next season?

raptors3589
08-27-2009, 12:49 AM
I would agree with Dallas... the pick up of Marion at small forward definately betters the team's rebounding (not like they needed it though)

Draco
08-27-2009, 12:50 AM
Just for fun.. you might have included the Raptors in the poll :p

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 12:51 AM
Just for fun.. you might have included the Raptors in the poll :p

Seeing as how they were 21st in rebounding last year and lost Marion, I'd say their rebounding got worse lol

zambo4president
08-27-2009, 12:52 AM
Uhh San Antonio? Timmy and Blair.

_KB24_
08-27-2009, 01:09 AM
I'd go with LA. Odom, Bynum, and Gasol can all get 10+ rebounds on any given night, and Kobe will get around 5.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 01:12 AM
I'd go with LA. Odom, Bynum, and Gasol can all get 10+ rebounds on any given night, and Kobe will get around 5.

You could argue the same except Dallas has better rebounders in Kidd, Marion, Nowitzki, Dampier, Howard, and Gooden off the bench

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 01:12 AM
Uhh San Antonio? Timmy and Blair.

Believe it or not San Antonio was 18th in the league last season in RPG. Blair is an unproven rookie that isn't even guaranteed significant playing time.

Antbanks21
08-27-2009, 01:14 AM
Lakers with two starting seven footers in Gasol and Bynum, plus Odom, Artest and even Kobe.
last years rebounding stats:
Gasol 9.6
Bynum 8
Odom 8.2
Artest 5.2
Kobe 5.2

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 01:18 AM
Lakers with two starting seven footers in Gasol and Bynum, plus Odom, Artest and even Kobe.
last years rebounding stats:
Gasol 9.6
Bynum 8
Odom 8.2
Artest 5.2
Kobe 5.2

Hmmm..

Nowitki 8.4
Marion 8.5
Dampier 7.1
Kidd 6.2
Howard 5.1
Gooden 7.1

Shady66
08-27-2009, 01:22 AM
San antonio and boston

Joshtd1
08-27-2009, 01:25 AM
Believe it or not San Antonio was 18th in the league last season in RPG. Blair is an unproven rookie that isn't even guaranteed significant playing time.

Actually Pop said he will get plenty of time...

I think McDyess and Blair will certainly help out. RJ as well since hes a big athlet SF.

However I dont think well be the best rebounding team

THiiRTYONE
08-27-2009, 01:25 AM
Dallas bro, especially with the addition of shawn marion!

Antbanks21
08-27-2009, 01:26 AM
Hmmm..

Nowitki 8.4
Marion 8.5
Dampier 7.1
Kidd 6.2
Howard 5.1
Gooden 7.1


doubt their RPG will be anywhere near what they were last last year because now they are on the same team so some of those players RPG will drop

_KB24_
08-27-2009, 01:32 AM
Hmmm..

Nowitki 8.4
Marion 8.5
Dampier 7.1
Kidd 6.2
Howard 5.1
Gooden 7.1

Thats a solid group of rebounders but there all getting up there in age. Kidd is a year older along with Dampier and Gooden. Marion isn't as athletic as he use to be but Nowtizki should still get his rebounds. While the Lakers big men are all in their primes and Bynum should get more rebounds as he will be depended less on offense and he can focus on D and rebounding, and then theres Kobe and Artest who will average around 5-6 rebounds a game.

Kobe- 31
Gasol- 29
Odom- 29
Artest- 29

Kidd- 36
Nowitzki- 31
Marion- 31
Dampier-34
Howard- 29
Gooden- 29

All their primary rebounders are 30+ with the exception of Gooden, who I dont see playing all that much.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 01:48 AM
doubt their RPG will be anywhere near what they were last last year because now they are on the same team so some of those players RPG will drop

You could say the same with the addition of Artset in LA.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 01:51 AM
Thats a solid group of rebounders but there all getting up there in age. Kidd is a year older along with Dampier and Gooden. Marion isn't as athletic as he use to be but Nowtizki should still get his rebounds. While the Lakers big men are all in their primes and Bynum should get more rebounds as he will be depended less on offense and he can focus on D and rebounding, and then theres Kobe and Artest who will average around 5-6 rebounds a game.

Kobe- 31
Gasol- 29
Odom- 29
Artest- 29

Kidd- 36
Nowitzki- 31
Marion- 31
Dampier-34
Howard- 29
Gooden- 29

All their primary rebounders are 30+ with the exception of Gooden, who I dont see playing all that much.
Lol Gooden is 27 not 29.

Kidd at age 36 is still the best rebounding PG in the league.

Nowitzki is 31, have his numbers dropped at all?

Dampier is still a solid rebounder, old age or not you could make the same argument with Duncan or Shaq who still rebound the bound well even far into their 30's.

Age doesn't really represent rebounding ability.

asandhu23
08-27-2009, 01:53 AM
Golden State Warriors... no you read this right...Warriors.... we just die because we commit too many turnovers. crawford didn't always dribble smartly, stack jack didn't always shoot accurately. hell i even think Monta had the least amount of mistakes in the games he did play....

B.JenningsMVP
08-27-2009, 01:55 AM
lakers

we got mbenga.. you cant match his beast like rebounding skills

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 01:58 AM
Even if you want to talk about age, Odom and Artest turn 30 in early November right at the start of the season

So all of YOUR primary rebounders are 30+ except for Bynum and Gasol.

Chronz
08-27-2009, 02:03 AM
It should be the Magic, they were good and they got bigger.


Believe it or not San Antonio was 18th in the league last season in RPG. Blair is an unproven rookie that isn't even guaranteed significant playing time.

Spurs had the best defensive rebounding % in the league last year. They sucked on the offensive glass though.

_KB24_
08-27-2009, 02:15 AM
Even if you want to talk about age, Odom and Artest turn 30 in early November right at the start of the season

So all of YOUR primary rebounders are 30+ except for Bynum and Gasol.

LOL But they are our Primary Rebounders! Gasol and Bynum are the ones who get the chunk of the boards and even though Odom is coming off the bench, he is still regarded as one of the best defensive rebounders in the game today ( Heard it on ESPN I believe made by your former coach AVERY JOHNSON). Your best rebounder is Nowtizki and he average only .2 more rebounds than Odom in 8 more minutes played. I like your perimeter rebounding with Kidd, Howard and even Marion when looking to run, but the Lakers clearly have a better rebounding when it comes to post rebounding.

ChiSox219
08-27-2009, 02:18 AM
lakers or cavs

secterm
08-27-2009, 02:47 AM
Toronto, lol

azkarraga
08-27-2009, 03:20 AM
It should be the Magic, they were good and they got bigger.



Spurs had the best defensive rebounding % in the league last year. They sucked on the offensive glass though.

yeah, they were really good.

Lone Maverick
08-27-2009, 03:30 AM
Dallas or LA I'd say. Although I wouldn't be shocked if Orlando was actually first this year.

IDB Josh M
08-27-2009, 03:42 AM
Dallas and Los Angeles are two solid rebounding teams. What amazes me is that Lamar is able to rebound like a madman when Pau is in the lineup with him. And Nowinski is no slouch either.

Its a tossup. Tied ... maybe Los Angeles getting a slight, and I mean SLIGHT edge.

J-Relo
08-27-2009, 03:46 AM
Los Angeles, Orlando or Cavs... then maybe Mavs...

Cavs: Lebron always gets decent amount of them, Shaq rebounds some too (notice that Suns were 12h last year with him), Varejao and Ilgauskas are solid rebounders, and when Powe is gonna be healthy he should help too...

Orlando: Dwight... he will get a lot of them, also new pfs should help, Gortat is a nice rebounder. They were one of the best rebounding teams last year, they should do great this year too...

Lakers: we all know that their roster is really nice with Odom, Bynum and Gasol in front... Kobe and Artest... They were #1, so there is a great chance they will keep that position.

Mavs: they are good rebounding team, but they don't have great rebounders, but as a team they rebound pretty well - they are solid rebounders, just not that great...

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-27-2009, 03:58 AM
Lakers then Dallas

heatbb
08-27-2009, 04:27 AM
Dallas and Los Angeles are two solid rebounding teams. What amazes me is that Lamar is able to rebound like a madman when Pau is in the lineup with him. And Nowinski is no slouch either.

Its a tossup. Tied ... maybe Los Angeles getting a slight, and I mean SLIGHT edge.

What he said. ;)

theuuord
08-27-2009, 04:28 AM
Believe it or not San Antonio was 18th in the league last season in RPG. Blair is an unproven rookie that isn't even guaranteed significant playing time.

Believe it or not San Antonio had one of the slowest paced teams in the NBA last year. Actually that's not too hard to believe. To expound on what Chronz said, they were by far the best defensive rebounding team and conversely by far the worst offensive rebounding team (which just proves more that offensive and defensive rebounding are two totally different skills).

DenButsu
08-27-2009, 04:29 AM
These numbers are from last season, and obviously there have been some major changes since then, but since I'm bored and have some free time on my hands I put them together. The first list ranks teams by the total of their offensive and defensive rebound percentages. The second list ranks them by the differential between their total rebounds and their opponents' total rebounds. The third list averages the rankings of the first two, which were in some cases identical (Portland and Boston at the top 2, the bottom 6 the same as well) or similar (Lakers 6/5, Bobcats 13/12, Spurs 14/15, etc.) and in other cases pretty dramatically different, which I found kind of interesting (Wolves 3/13, Bucks 9/17). I was disappointed but not too surprised to see my Nuggets below average in both respects. Anyways, this stuff might at least serve as a sort of statistical baseline that can be tweaked when taking into account all the offseason moves.


Rk Team ORB% DRB% Total
1 Portland Trail Blazers .326 .750 1.076
2 Boston Celtics* .279 .756 1.035
3 Minnesota Timberwolves .277 .750 1.027
4 Philadelphia 76ers* .313 .714 1.027
5 Oklahoma City Thunder .286 .739 1.025
6 Los Angeles Lakers* .294 .730 1.024
7 Cleveland Cavaliers* .277 .746 1.023
8 Detroit Pistons* .279 .740 1.019
9 Milwaukee Bucks .278 .740 1.018
10 Houston Rockets* .264 .753 1.017
11 Dallas Mavericks* .266 .746 1.012
12 Utah Jazz* .282 .727 1.009
13 Charlotte Bobcats .277 .730 1.007
14 San Antonio Spurs* .221 .780 1.001
15 Orlando Magic* .240 .759 .999
16 Indiana Pacers .254 .745 .999
17 New Orleans Hornets* .246 .749 .995
18 Phoenix Suns .277 .717 .994
19 Memphis Grizzlies .258 .735 .993
20 Denver Nuggets* .275 .717 .992
21 Washington Wizards .277 .714 .991
22 Chicago Bulls* .280 .709 .989
23 New Jersey Nets .252 .735 .987
24 Toronto Raptors .240 .737 .977
25 Atlanta Hawks* .260 .716 .976
26 Miami Heat* .246 .729 .975
27 New York Knickerbockers .244 .727 .971
28 Los Angeles Clippers .251 .712 .963
29 Sacramento Kings .245 .699 .944
30 Golden State Warriors .261 .681 .942


Rk Team ▴ TRB Opp TRB Difference
1 Portland Trail Blazers 3420 2976 444
2 Boston Celtics* 3455 3083 372
3 Cleveland Cavaliers* 3460 3188 272
4 Houston Rockets* 3524 3272 252
5 Los Angeles Lakers* 3602 3399 203
6 Philadelphia 76ers* 3375 3220 155
7 Oklahoma City Thunder 3496 3380 116
8 Dallas Mavericks* 3504 3393 111
9 Orlando Magic* 3547 3455 92
10 Detroit Pistons* 3397 3314 83
11 Phoenix Suns 3420 3345 75
12 Charlotte Bobcats 3252 3187 65
13 Minnesota Timberwolves 3417 3352 65
14 Utah Jazz* 3363 3301 62
15 San Antonio Spurs* 3366 3315 51
16 Denver Nuggets* 3412 3382 30
17 Milwaukee Bucks 3340 3358 -18
18 New Orleans Hornets* 3255 3281 -26
19 Indiana Pacers 3585 3617 -32
20 Chicago Bulls* 3451 3508 -57
21 Memphis Grizzlies 3184 3273 -89
22 Toronto Raptors 3315 3434 -119
23 New Jersey Nets 3265 3395 -130
24 Washington Wizards 3286 3425 -139
25 Atlanta Hawks* 3282 3436 -154
26 Miami Heat* 3239 3432 -193
27 New York Knickerbockers 3456 3780 -324
28 Los Angeles Clippers 3267 3615 -348
29 Sacramento Kings 3206 3610 -404
30 Golden State Warriors 3445 3860 -415


AVG rk Team RB% rk TRB rk
1.00 Portland Trail Blazers 1 1
2.00 Boston Celtics* 2 2
5.00 Philadelphia 76ers* 4 6
5.00 Cleveland Cavaliers* 7 3
5.50 Los Angeles Lakers* 6 5
6.00 Oklahoma City Thunder 5 7
7.00 Houston Rockets* 10 4
8.00 Minnesota Timberwolves 3 13
9.00 Detroit Pistons* 8 10
9.50 Dallas Mavericks* 11 8
12.00 Orlando Magic* 15 9
12.50 Charlotte Bobcats 13 12
13.00 Milwaukee Bucks 9 17
13.00 Utah Jazz* 12 14
14.50 San Antonio Spurs* 14 15
14.50 Phoenix Suns 18 11
17.50 Indiana Pacers 16 19
17.50 New Orleans Hornets* 17 18
18.00 Denver Nuggets* 20 16
20.00 Memphis Grizzlies 19 21
21.00 Chicago Bulls* 22 20
22.50 Washington Wizards 21 24
23.00 New Jersey Nets 23 23
23.00 Toronto Raptors 24 22
25.00 Atlanta Hawks* 25 25
26.00 Miami Heat* 26 26
27.00 New York Knickerbockers 27 27
28.00 Los Angeles Clippers 28 28
29.00 Sacramento Kings 29 29
30.00 Golden State Warriors 30 30

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 04:32 AM
Believe it or not San Antonio had one of the slowest paced teams in the NBA last year. Actually that's not too hard to believe. To expound on what Chronz said, they were by far the best defensive rebounding team and conversely by far the worst offensive rebounding team (which just proves more that offensive and defensive rebounding are two totally different skills).I'm pretty sure I asked which team is the best at rebounding, not defensive rebounding.

theuuord
08-27-2009, 04:34 AM
I'm pretty sure I asked which team is the best at rebounding, not defensive rebounding.

And I'm pretty sure defensive rebounding is about 3/4's of all rebounding.
So, you know, they kind of relate.

Either way saying they were 18th in raw rebounding totals is misleading because of the differences in pace.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 04:36 AM
And I'm pretty sure defensive rebounding is about 3/4's of all rebounding.
So, you know, they kind of relate.

Either way saying they were 18th in raw rebounding totals is misleading because of the differences in pace.

As a whole, they were 18th as far as RPG

11th as far as opponent RPG

15th in differential

theuuord
08-27-2009, 04:45 AM
As a whole, they were 18th as far as RPG

you're missing my point. you can't just directly compare team raw numbers like that without adjusting for the pace of the game. If a team plays 98 possessions a game, they're likely going to have more rebounds over the course of a season than a team that plays 88 - even if the team that plays 88 is a better rebounding team.
Like, for instance, the San Antonio Spurs (88 possessions per game, 3366 rebounds, and a 1.001 total rebound rate) and the Golden State Warriors (98 possessions per game, 3445 rebounds, and a 0.942 rebound rate) this year.

makes sense, right?

using differentials is useful too, but it doesn't paint as broad a picture as rebound rate, nor does it adjust for pace either.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 04:52 AM
you're missing my point. you can't just directly compare team raw numbers like that without adjusting for the pace of the game. If a team plays 98 possessions a game, they're likely going to have more rebounds over the course of a season than a team that plays 88 - even if the team that plays 88 is a better rebounding team.
Like, for instance, the San Antonio Spurs (88 possessions per game, 3366 rebounds, and a 1.001 total rebound rate) and the Golden State Warriors (98 possessions per game, 3445 rebounds, and a 0.942 rebound rate) this year.

makes sense, right?

using differentials is useful too, but it doesn't paint as broad a picture as rebound rate, nor does it adjust for pace either.

Yes, the differential rate can be used against you in the case you're trying to make as far as a team's pace. Just because you play at a slower pace doesn't take away from the fact that opponents only get .6 less RPG. Better rebounding teams are known for getting more overall RPG at the end of the game. More possessions per game are largely because of offensive rebounds, something the Spurs aren't great at. A teams possessions and differential rate would clearly go up from offensive rebounds.

DenButsu
08-27-2009, 04:57 AM
The Spurs were dead last in the league in offensive rebound % at .221, and number 1 in the league at defensive rebound % at .780 (and pace plays no part in either of those stats any more than it does shooting percentages). As the numbers I posted above show, that puts them at 14th in the league in total rebound %.

In terms of own/opponent rebounding differentials, the Nuggets barely kept themselves out of the minus column with a +30 on the season, and the Spurs just edged by them as the 2nd lowest team with a positive at +51, putting them squarely in the middle of the league at #15. Pace really doesn't play a factor in these numbers either, since in any given game the overall pace of the game is the same for both teams.

Seems pretty clear to me that on the whole the Spurs are an average rebounding team. Great at defensive rebounding, but they don't own their opponents and they're so bad in offensive rebounding that it really takes a toll.

theuuord
08-27-2009, 04:57 AM
Yes, the differential rate can be used against you in the case you're trying to make as far as a team's pace. Just because you play at a slower pace doesn't take away from the fact that opponents only get .6 less RPG.

Yeah, the Spurs aren't an amazing rebounding team. They're slightly above average in the weirdest way possible (being a great DRB team and a horrible ORB one).


Better rebounding teams are known for getting more overall RPG at the end of the game. More possessions per game are largely because of offensive rebounds, something the Spurs aren't great at. A teams possessions would clearly go up from offensive rebounds, as well as it's differential rate.

wrong. possessions aren't calculated by adding up offensive rebounds. if a team shoots a shot, misses, and gets an offensive rebound, it still is counted as only one possession.

differential is tricky because, again, it doesn't account for game speed. let's take the Warriors and Spurs again. If they were exactly the same as far as rebounding ability - say, they each had a 1.05 total rebound rate - the Warriors would have a bigger differential, because they had more opportunities for rebounds. Thus, they would look like a better rebounding team, even if they weren't.
context is everything when it comes to analysis.

DenButsu
08-27-2009, 05:01 AM
If you look at the playoff stats, it's a smaller sample size, yeah, but the pattern holds.

They were 15th of 16 teams in offensive rebound rate (.213), 5th of 16 teams in defensive rebound rate (.766), and 13th overall (.476).

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 05:10 AM
Yeah, the Spurs aren't an amazing rebounding team. They're slightly above average in the weirdest way possible (being a great DRB team and a horrible ORB one).



wrong. possessions aren't calculated by adding up offensive rebounds. if a team shoots a shot, misses, and gets an offensive rebound, it still is counted as only one possession.

differential is tricky because, again, it doesn't account for game speed. let's take the Warriors and Spurs again. If they were exactly the same as far as rebounding ability - say, they each had a 1.05 total rebound rate - the Warriors would have a bigger differential, because they had more opportunities for rebounds. Thus, they would look like a better rebounding team, even if they weren't.
context is everything when it comes to analysis.

Agreed. You're right, offensive rebounds don't equal possessions. But it does count towards differential and total RPG. It also changes the pace of the game. If you played a team that got a lot of offensive rebounds in the game, your Spurs are obviously going to have less possessions than other teams because the shot clock is reset and the opposing team has control again. That explains why the Spurs get less possesions per game than most other teams.

Think of the big picture as a whole, not just the defensive side of things. Defensive rebounds are important, but offensive rebounds are important as well especially when they lead to points.

ko8e24
08-27-2009, 05:11 AM
Uhh San Antonio? Timmy and Blair.

:rolleyes:




A 13 yr veteran + ......... an unproven rookie???


Is he gonna be the TIm Duncan to Duncan's David Robinson (late 90s early 2000s) ???? :confused:

The_Mac22
08-27-2009, 05:17 AM
Magic.

TheMicrowave
08-27-2009, 09:26 AM
I'm going to go with Dallas. Trying not to be biased here but they have the best rebounding point guard, best rebounding small forward, great rebounding PF in Nowitzki and Howard is an above average rebounder at the 2 guard spot

Dampier is also known for his offensive rebounding

I'd go with LA next with Bynum, Odom, Artest, and Kobe

Which team will lead the league in rebounds next season?

Top 10 rebounding teams last year:
1. Lakers
2. Indiana
3. Orlando
4. Houston
5. Dallas
6. Oklahoma City
7. Cleveland
8. New York
9. Boston
10. Chicago

And your poll includes some of the top teams in the league? Why doesn't it include everyone?

Bunch of homers on this site.

Here is a shot - even if Dallas is the best rebounding team next season they are not winning anything. Dirk is not a good leader. He dominated the Heat by going up 2-0 then missed 2FTs and blew the rest of the series. He needs to take control of the team and win. He is 7FT and can play like a SG, he still can't get it done.
He has JKidd, Terry, Howard and now Marion running along side of him, one of the most talent teams in the league.

bostncelts34
08-27-2009, 10:14 AM
Dont know why nobody is mentioning Boston at all, im not saying they are the best but they should at least be mentioned. Last year they were not one of the best because they lost their best rebounder for a good part of the year.

KG- One of the best rebounders in the league
Rondo-One of the best rebounding guards in the league
Perkins- Can get you 10+ rebounds any night

Pierce+allen get you 4-5 a night as well


Not to mention Rasheed and Davis off the bench.

blazers21
08-27-2009, 10:20 AM
blazers in it

DenButsu
08-27-2009, 10:22 AM
blazers in it

I wouldn't just say they're in it. If you look at my post near the top of the previous page, I'd say there's a pretty strong case to be made that they just might be the best rebounding team in the league.

Ace33Bone
08-27-2009, 10:30 AM
I feel as though the addition on Artest will help the Lakers on the boards tremendously... because now with the players that he has around him he will not have to work as hard on defense which in turns frees him up to rebound more

DrDEADalready
08-27-2009, 10:42 AM
Jazz do. And not because i'm a fan. It's true they are at the top of the league in rebounds. assists and steals but also Turnovers( :sigh: )

GeneWaldron#5
08-27-2009, 10:45 AM
The Blazers have to be up there. They had the best difference in rebounds last year and have just added one of the best rebounding point guards in the league.

GCOOKIE7
08-27-2009, 11:14 AM
Cleveland. Shaq, LeBron, Moon and company. Your all good.

MTar786
08-27-2009, 11:48 AM
I'm going to go with Dallas. Trying not to be biased here but they have the best rebounding point guard, best rebounding small forward, great rebounding PF in Nowitzki and Howard is an above average rebounder at the 2 guard spot

Dampier is also known for his offensive rebounding

I'd go with LA next with Bynum, Odom, Artest, and Kobe

Which team will lead the league in rebounds next season?

LoL u are the biggest dallas homer on PSD. u choose dallas in ever category. its good in a way i guess. to have that faith in ur team. i just hope ur ok wen dallas gets eliminated in the 1st round again.. maybe 2nd if u pray harder for them lol.

anyway I gotta go with either orlando or LA.if bynum goes back to being a good rebounder then theres no way LA wont be number 1. they were 1st in the league at the start of last season. wen bynum went out they went down. so i guess it depends on him. plus with their new defenseive stopper in artest this will give them more rebound oppertunities.

Raps08-09 Champ
08-27-2009, 12:41 PM
Raptors. Bosh and Bargnani alone get 12 and 10 respectively.

mrblisterdundee
08-27-2009, 12:46 PM
The Lakers rebound better than anybody else. Bynum will only get more rebounds as he progresses, Pau will almost always average eight to nine, and Odom will stay around 10 per game. Kobe isn't a bad rebounder (or bad at anything else) as well.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 02:28 PM
Top 10 rebounding teams last year:
1. Lakers
2. Indiana
3. Orlando
4. Houston
5. Dallas
6. Oklahoma City
7. Cleveland
8. New York
9. Boston
10. Chicago

And your poll includes some of the top teams in the league? Why doesn't it include everyone?

Bunch of homers on this site.

Here is a shot - even if Dallas is the best rebounding team next season they are not winning anything. Dirk is not a good leader. He dominated the Heat by going up 2-0 then missed 2FTs and blew the rest of the series. He needs to take control of the team and win. He is 7FT and can play like a SG, he still can't get it done.
He has JKidd, Terry, Howard and now Marion running along side of him, one of the most talent teams in the league.

Don't just post in a thread without reading anything in it.

You can't just look at RPG to judge how good a team is. Differential of rebounds is more important.

Funny how Portland isn't even on your little list there but they're number one as far as differential in RPG getting 5.4 more rebounds then their opponents.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 02:30 PM
I feel as though the addition on Artest will help the Lakers on the boards tremendously... because now with the players that he has around him he will not have to work as hard on defense which in turns frees him up to rebound more

Not really, LA had Ariza who averaged one less board a game then Artest last year and was one of your best defenders.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 02:33 PM
Jazz do. And not because i'm a fan. It's true they are at the top of the league in rebounds. assists and steals but also Turnovers( :sigh: )

The Jazz used to be a good rebounding team when Kirelinko was actually a good rebounder.

They're 14th in the league in RPG and 17th in rebound differential as of last year.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 02:35 PM
Raptors. Bosh and Bargnani alone get 12 and 10 respectively.

Since when does Bargnani get 10 rpg? He barely gets 5.

Plus I asked which team, not which duo. Toronto isn't a very good rebounding team at all, especially with the loss of Marion and gaining Turkoglu.

lakersrock
08-27-2009, 02:38 PM
This isn't even close. It's the Lakers.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 02:38 PM
LoL u are the biggest dallas homer on PSD. u choose dallas in ever category. its good in a way i guess. to have that faith in ur team. i just hope ur ok wen dallas gets eliminated in the 1st round again.. maybe 2nd if u pray harder for them lol.

anyway I gotta go with either orlando or LA.if bynum goes back to being a good rebounder then theres no way LA wont be number 1. they were 1st in the league at the start of last season. wen bynum went out they went down. so i guess it depends on him. plus with their new defenseive stopper in artest this will give them more rebound oppertunities.

New defensive stopper?

Wait a second... I remember this guy that used to be on your team. I think his name was Trevor Ariza? Yeah I'm pretty sure he was one of LA's main defenders and only averaged one less board a game then Artest did in Houston.

I put good reasoning why I believe Dallas will be the best rebounding team, I didn't just state it. And as far as categories go this is the first and only time I've said Dallas is the best.

Gibby23
08-27-2009, 02:39 PM
Lake show!

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 02:39 PM
This isn't even close. It's the Lakers.

Why don't you explain, "Lakers rock"?

Raph12
08-27-2009, 02:40 PM
Portland is the best rebounding team, they have the highest percentage of rebounds available

jimbobjarree
08-27-2009, 03:01 PM
jazz

MTar786
08-27-2009, 03:15 PM
New defensive stopper?

Wait a second... I remember this guy that used to be on your team. I think his name was Trevor Ariza? Yeah I'm pretty sure he was one of LA's main defenders and only averaged one less board a game then Artest did in Houston.

I put good reasoning why I believe Dallas will be the best rebounding team, I didn't just state it. And as far as categories go this is the first and only time I've said Dallas is the best.


firstly, maybe u should do more reading. we dont have ariza anymore. we have a guy named ron artest now who is a MUCH more proven defensive presence.
and as u say ariza was ONE of our main defenders. Now ron is our MAIN defender. not just one. artest can guard the melos, and lebrons. ariza couldnt.

secondly, i'll give u the benefit of the doubt when u say this is the only thing u think dallas is the best at even though ive seen u post other things that u say dallas has the best as. but like i said ill give u the benefit of the doubt n say that mark cuban hacked into ur account and posted all of that.

Lastly, dallas isnt even the best at this lol. so the ONLY thing u claim theyre the best at is false lol

Chronz
08-27-2009, 03:15 PM
Agreed. You're right, offensive rebounds don't equal possessions. But it does count towards differential and total RPG. It also changes the pace of the game. If you played a team that got a lot of offensive rebounds in the game, your Spurs are obviously going to have less possessions than other teams because the shot clock is reset and the opposing team has control again. That explains why the Spurs get less possesions per game than most other teams.

Think of the big picture as a whole, not just the defensive side of things. Defensive rebounds are important, but offensive rebounds are important as well especially when they lead to points.

Trust me he knows that, the stats your mentioning just arent as relevant as overall rebounding%, but yes offensive rebounds are more valuable, maybe we should account for that. It would lower the Spurs rating but the reason the Spurs get less possessions is because they WANT to play that way. Its not like they are going to get less possessions than their opponents. They just dont have the manpower to crash the offensive glass. Bonner is always on the perimeter and the Spurs like to get back in transition.


Top 10 rebounding teams last year:
1. Lakers
2. Indiana
3. Orlando
4. Houston
5. Dallas
6. Oklahoma City
7. Cleveland
8. New York
9. Boston
10. Chicago

And your poll includes some of the top teams in the league? Why doesn't it include everyone?

Bunch of homers on this site.

Here is a shot - even if Dallas is the best rebounding team next season they are not winning anything. Dirk is not a good leader. He dominated the Heat by going up 2-0 then missed 2FTs and blew the rest of the series. He needs to take control of the team and win. He is 7FT and can play like a SG, he still can't get it done.
He has JKidd, Terry, Howard and now Marion running along side of him, one of the most talent teams in the league.

Thats a horrible list, please refer to Dens list for the REAL rebounding leaders.

Chronz
08-27-2009, 03:16 PM
Dont know why nobody is mentioning Boston at all, im not saying they are the best but they should at least be mentioned. Last year they were not one of the best because they lost their best rebounder for a good part of the year.

KG- One of the best rebounders in the league
Rondo-One of the best rebounding guards in the league
Perkins- Can get you 10+ rebounds any night

Pierce+allen get you 4-5 a night as well


Not to mention Rasheed and Davis off the bench.

Davis is a horrible rebounder

Chronz
08-27-2009, 03:19 PM
firstly, maybe u should do more reading. we dont have ariza anymore. we have a guy named ron artest now who is a MUCH more proven defensive presence.
and as u say ariza was ONE of our main defenders. Now ron is our MAIN defender. not just one. artest can guard the melos, and lebrons. ariza couldnt.

secondly, i'll give u the benefit of the doubt when u say this is the only thing u think dallas is the best at even though ive seen u post other things that u say dallas has the best as. but like i said ill give u the benefit of the doubt n say that mark cuban hacked into ur account and posted all of that.

Lastly, dallas isnt even the best at this lol. so the ONLY thing u claim theyre the best at is false lol

How much you wanna bet your defense slips this year? I have a feeling Artest is going to crash and burn defensively, his gambles werent as accurate as Arizas

MTar786
08-27-2009, 03:21 PM
i would also consider boston a top 3 rebounding team.
it could either be the lakers, celtics, magic, blazers

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 03:24 PM
firstly, maybe u should do more reading. we dont have ariza anymore. we have a guy named ron artest now who is a MUCH more proven defensive presence.
and as u say ariza was ONE of our main defenders. Now ron is our MAIN defender. not just one. artest can guard the melos, and lebrons. ariza couldnt.

secondly, i'll give u the benefit of the doubt when u say this is the only thing u think dallas is the best at even though ive seen u post other things that u say dallas has the best as. but like i said ill give u the benefit of the doubt n say that mark cuban hacked into ur account and posted all of that.

Lastly, dallas isnt even the best at this lol. so the ONLY thing u claim theyre the best at is false lol
Do more reading? I said Ariza used to be on your team. Hahahahaha wow, you're illiterate.

Benefit of the doubt? Why don't you try and quote me on anything I've said in the past? Go ahead.

Lastly, yes they are.

Dallas was 5th last year as far as RPG
LA was 1st

Dallas was 8th last year as far as differential in RPG
LA was 5th

Dallas adds the best rebounding small forward in the league and moves it's swing man Josh Howard to the 2 spot. Every position in Dallas's line up is an above average rebounder. Kidd, Howard, Marion, Nowitzki, and Dampier.

By the way, Artest is only an average rebounder. He's nothing special on the boards.

MTar786
08-27-2009, 03:26 PM
How much you wanna bet your defense slips this year? I have a feeling Artest is going to crash and burn defensively, his gambles werent as accurate as Arizas

lol no one cares about your feeling. Like thats gonna change things. I have a feeling the lakers are gonna win the 2010 nba title. maybe the nba should start printing that out to save time. maybe we should cancel the season and just give LA the championship. see, ur logic is ********.

Artest gambles less than ariza btw which is considered a good thing. i dont like GAMBLING in basketball. go to the casino for that. Artest is a better on ball defender. ariza is better for team defense. id rather have a guy whos gonna do better on lebron, melo and pierce than a guy who's gonna give us an amazing steal every now and then.
dont get me wrong. i love ariza.. but come on guys. dont hate so much. we all know artest is the better player on both ends of the court.

MTar786
08-27-2009, 03:33 PM
Do more reading? I said Ariza used to be on your team. Hahahahaha wow, you're illiterate.

Benefit of the doubt? Why don't you try and quote me on anything I've said in the past? Go ahead.

Lastly, yes they are.

Dallas was 5th last year as far as RPG
LA was 1st

Dallas was 8th last year as far as differential in RPG
LA was 5th

Dallas adds the best rebounding small forward in the league and moves it's swing man Josh Howard to the 2 spot. Every position in Dallas's line up is an above average rebounder. Kidd, Howard, Marion, Nowitzki, and Dampier.

By the way, Artest is only an average rebounder. He's nothing special on the boards.

wow.. ur ********. u didnt even understand what i was trying to tell u. i'll put it in simple english for you so u can understand. ARIZA is not on our team this year.. he was last year so he doesnt need to be talked about. we have artest now.

8th and 5th huh? i see ur reason for saying they'll be number 1 now lol. ur just insulting your own intelligence now lol
BTW, dallas is last on YOUR poll btw.. so not many agree with u

I never said artest was a great rebounder. so why r u telling me this? its the rotation we have and size that makes us great at rebounding. bynum, gasol and odom are great rebounders and 2 are 7 feet while 1 is almost 7 feet. Thats our rebounding core.

Unruly Fan
08-27-2009, 03:34 PM
Lakers

Based on stats from last season:

Gasol - 9.6
Odom - 8.2
Bynum - 8
Kobe - 5.2

Chronz
08-27-2009, 03:43 PM
lol no one cares about your feeling. Like thats gonna change things. I have a feeling the lakers are gonna win the 2010 nba title. maybe the nba should start printing that out to save time. maybe we should cancel the season and just give LA the championship. see, ur logic is ********.
All I see is a sad boy with alot of hate in his heart.


Artest gambles less than ariza btw which is considered a good thing. i dont like GAMBLING in basketball. go to the casino for that. Artest is a better on ball defender. ariza is better for team defense. id rather have a guy whos gonna do better on lebron, melo and pierce than a guy who's gonna give us an amazing steal every now and then.
dont get me wrong. i love ariza.. but come on guys. dont hate so much. we all know artest is the better player on both ends of the court.
Wow, you dont like gambling then your gonna hate Artest. And what do you mean we all know, I KNOW hes not a better player on both ends.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 03:46 PM
wow.. ur ********. u didnt even understand what i was trying to tell u. i'll put it in simple english for you so u can understand. ARIZA is not on our team this year.. he was last year so he doesnt need to be talked about. we have artest now.

8th and 5th huh? i see ur reason for saying they'll be number 1 now lol. ur just insulting your own intelligence now lol
BTW, dallas is last on YOUR poll btw.. so not many agree with u

I never said artest was a great rebounder. so why r u telling me this? its the rotation we have and size that makes us great at rebounding. bynum, gasol and odom are great rebounders and 2 are 7 feet while 1 is almost 7 feet. Thats our rebounding core.

Since we're talking about stats from LAST year, then YES Ariza DOES need to be talked about.

Are you really talking about size? Height has NOTHING to do with how good of a rebounder you are, but if you want to talk about size then:

Dampier is 6'11, Nowitzki is 7 feet. Marion is 6'7, Howard is 6'7 and Kidd is 6'4
and you have Gooden at 6'10 off the bench. That's a pretty damn tall line up any idiot could see.

Dallas is the taller team.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 03:47 PM
Lakers

Based on stats from last season:

Gasol - 9.6
Odom - 8.2
Bynum - 8
Kobe - 5.2

"Hmmm..

Nowitki 8.4
Marion 8.5
Dampier 7.1
Kidd 6.2
Howard 5.1
Gooden 7.1"

Chronz
08-27-2009, 03:49 PM
wow.. ur ********. u didnt even understand what i was trying to tell u. i'll put it in simple english for you so u can understand. ARIZA is not on our team this year.. he was last year so he doesnt need to be talked about. we have artest now.
Since its obvious your not old enough to understand the intricacies of human conversation Ill explain it for you. He KNOWS Ariza isnt a Laker, he needs to be talked about because hes alluding to the idea that its a DOWNGRADE either on the glass or defensively overall.


8th and 5th huh? i see ur reason for saying they'll be number 1 now lol. ur just insulting your own intelligence now lol
BTW, dallas is last on YOUR poll btw.. so not many agree with u
No your just displaying the lack of yours, unlike the Lakers the Mavs have actually upgraded their rebounders, if what he says is true then Howard at the 2 will be an upgrade, Marions addition will be an upgrade, meanwhile the Lakers lost Ariza (10.0/11.0Career Rebounding%) and gained Ron Artest (8.5%). Its not my fight so Im not going to analyze it but thats basically the gist of what hes trying to say.


I never said artest was a great rebounder. so why r u telling me this? its the rotation we have and size that makes us great at rebounding. bynum, gasol and odom are great rebounders and 2 are 7 feet while 1 is almost 7 feet. Thats our rebounding core.

True the Lakers have alot of in their favor, hes just saying the gap should be closed considerably this year. Possibly in their favor, who knows.

rsweene
08-27-2009, 03:52 PM
"Hmmm..

Nowitki 8.4
Marion 8.5
Dampier 7.1
Kidd 6.2
Howard 5.1
Gooden 7.1"

Its easy to win when you have more players' stats...

These players arent going to have the same stats next year being on the same team. Id give it to the lakers though, because Dallas v. LA, LA is going to dominate.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 03:53 PM
Since its obvious your not old enough to understand the intricacies of human conversation Ill explain it for you. He KNOWS Ariza isnt a Laker, he needs to be talked about because hes alluding to the idea that its a DOWNGRADE either on the glass or defensively overall.


No your just displaying the lack of yours, unlike the Lakers the Mavs have actually upgraded their rebounders, if what he says is true then Howard at the 2 will be an upgrade, Marions addition will be an upgrade, meanwhile the Lakers lost Ariza (10.0/11.0Career Rebounding%) and gained Ron Artest (8.5%). Its not my fight so Im not going to analyze it but thats basically the gist of what hes trying to say.


True the Lakers have alot of in their favor, hes just saying the gap should be closed considerably this year. Possibly in their favor, who knows.

Very well put. I'm pretty sure the kid is either 15 or 16 so I'm not going to bother.

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 03:54 PM
Its easy to win when you have more players' stats...

These players arent going to have the same stats next year being on the same team. Id give it to the lakers though, because Dallas v. LA, LA is going to dominate.

Same can be said with the addition of Artest?

LA never dominated Dallas last year..a lot of the games came down to the last possession.

Chronz
08-27-2009, 03:58 PM
Very well put. I'm pretty sure the kid is either 15 or 16 so I'm not going to bother.

I gave the dude my opinion on the matter and he responds with nobody cares, and rants about the Lakers winning the title. Its very obvious hes not here to talk ball, but to talk ****.

GAWDtv
08-27-2009, 04:01 PM
I say Portland

blazerman
08-27-2009, 04:07 PM
Top 10 rebounding teams last year:
1. Lakers
2. Indiana
3. Orlando
4. Houston
5. Dallas
6. Oklahoma City
7. Cleveland
8. New York
9. Boston
10. Chicago

And your poll includes some of the top teams in the league? Why doesn't it include everyone?

Bunch of homers on this site.

Here is a shot - even if Dallas is the best rebounding team next season they are not winning anything. Dirk is not a good leader. He dominated the Heat by going up 2-0 then missed 2FTs and blew the rest of the series. He needs to take control of the team and win. He is 7FT and can play like a SG, he still can't get it done.
He has JKidd, Terry, Howard and now Marion running along side of him, one of the most talent teams in the league.


You say there's a bunch of homers on this site, well I think you just put yourself on the homer list by not putting Portland on the top 10 rebounding teams. Portland was the #1 rebounding team last yr and you dont even have them in the top ten, I cant figure that one out!

I really dont think your a homer but you did fail on that list by not mentioning the #1 rebounding team and thats a little more than a simple oops I forgot them!

Raps08-09 Champ
08-27-2009, 04:22 PM
Since when does Bargnani get 10 rpg? He barely gets 5.

Plus I asked which team, not which duo. Toronto isn't a very good rebounding team at all, especially with the loss of Marion and gaining Turkoglu.

Lol.

It's called sarcasm.

Chronz
08-27-2009, 04:33 PM
You say there's a bunch of homers on this site, which is probably true considering the list you just put down as the top 10 rebounding teams. Portland was the #1 rebounding team last yr and you dont even have them in the top ten, I cant figure that one out!

I dont think your a homer but you did fail on that list by not mentioning the best reb team.

Teams that play at a deliberate pace are always misunderstood. The Blazers were actually a better offensive team than they were defensive, yet few know this.

Pace screws everything up, people are to in love with raw per game averages so if your not playing in an open offense, and getting more opportunities to showcase your talent, people are going to underrate you its why people think Capt.Jack is a good player. Its becoming cliche of me to say this, but it cannot be stressed enough. PEOPLE STOP MEASURING TEAMS/PLAYERS by RAW AVERAGES. Use PER POSSESSION METRICS

MiamiHeat
08-27-2009, 04:34 PM
it was miami but since mark blount left it is now the wolves

MTar786
08-27-2009, 05:51 PM
chronz.. who do u FEEL is gonna be the best rebounding team?? cuz we should take it down as a fact. judging on your opinions ur feeling is basically a fact.

MTar786
08-27-2009, 05:55 PM
Its easy to win when you have more players' stats...

These players arent going to have the same stats next year being on the same team. Id give it to the lakers though, because Dallas v. LA, LA is going to dominate.

agreed 100%.

LA dominates dallas

then mavericks fans talk about how they'll be the best rebounding team or defensive team of 2011 lol :rolleyes:

Mavrix
08-27-2009, 06:01 PM
agreed 100%.

LA dominates dallas

then mavericks fans talk about how they'll be the best rebounding team or defensive team of 2011 lol :rolleyes:

Look little boy, you can make the same argument about Ron Artest joining your team. His stats obviously won't be the same. You're all about stats with nothing to support them with.

Can you argue that Kidd is the best rebounding PG? Yes.
Can you argue that Marion is the best rebounding SF? Yes.
Can you argue that Nowitzki is one of the best rebounding PF's? Yes.
Can you argue that Dampier is a good offensive rebounder and overall good on the boards? Yes.
Can you argue that Josh Howard is an above average rebounder for his size and position? Yes.

:facepalm:

You're the obvious homer. I have legit reasoning as to why I think Dallas will be the top rebounding team.

You could make the same case with the Lakers, but IMO Dallas is better.

MTar786
08-27-2009, 06:15 PM
Look little boy, you can make the same argument about Ron Artest joining your team. His stats obviously won't be the same. You're all about stats with nothing to support them with.

Can you argue that Kidd is the best rebounding PG? Yes.
Can you argue that Marion is the best rebounding SF? Yes.
Can you argue that Nowitzki is one of the best rebounding PF's? Yes.
Can you argue that Dampier is a good offensive rebounder and overall good on the boards? Yes.
Can you argue that Josh Howard is an above average rebounder for his size and position? Yes.

:facepalm:

You're the obvious homer. I have legit reasoning as to why I think Dallas will be the top rebounding team.

You could make the same case with the Lakers, but IMO Dallas is better.

LOL.. i love how u dallas fans get so angry when people state who the better team is. and then u come talking about age like u know me. is it because you are in denial? or is it cuz u cant stand the lakers? whats ur problem? N then they come with all their opinions like they're gonna convince someone dallas is gonna win the championship. lol. im not so insecure about my team.. so i dont need to tell u who's the better rebounder. the stats from last year show LA was better. get over it now. its gonna be the same this year. btw i dont think u can argue dirk is the best rebounding PF.. but go ahead.. make a poll asking who the best rebounding PF is. im sure it'll look like this poll. dallas last

ko8e24
08-27-2009, 06:23 PM
"Hmmm..

Nowitki 8.4
Marion 8.5
Dampier 7.1
Kidd 6.2
Howard 5.1
Gooden 7.1"

wow, i didn't know gooden and marion were with the mavs last season. im sure they wouldn't have lost to the nuggets (that badly) with that roster ???

ko8e24
08-27-2009, 06:25 PM
it was miami but since mark blount left it is now the wolves

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Chronz
08-27-2009, 06:34 PM
chronz.. who do u FEEL is gonna be the best rebounding team?? cuz we should take it down as a fact. judging on your opinions ur feeling is basically a fact.
Your lost, I felt that way about Artest because the Rockets and Lakers were 2 of the top 3 teams I followed the most, and the facts of the matter are Artest loses more on his gambles than Ariza. Hes also lost most of his lateral quickness and any hops he had left, thats why I feel your defense wont hold up.

Rather than intelligently debate the idea, you opted to take the route of a flamer. Nobody ever said to take it as fact, thats why I asked if you wanted to bet on it. Now tell me, when was the last time someone asked you to wager something yet expect you to believe he was right?

Its not that my opinions are fact, its that I use factual information to derive/project my expectations.

You obviously have no idea of the concept, its why you needlessly bash that other guy for pointing out the same things I saw. Trust me hes easy to understand, so am I, its you who has no idea of the topic at hand. Honestly I think this board may be alittle out of your intellectual realm, dont take it personally, we all started off as children, now be gone.

MTar786
08-27-2009, 06:49 PM
the fact of the matter is that 5 people voted dallas the best rebounding team. 6.41%. there are ur numbers

MrFastBreak
08-27-2009, 07:06 PM
The Pacers should have made it in there more easily than Orlando.

blazerman
08-27-2009, 07:06 PM
Teams that play at a deliberate pace are always misunderstood. The Blazers were actually a better offensive team than they were defensive, yet few know this.

Pace screws everything up, people are to in love with raw per game averages so if your not playing in an open offense, and getting more opportunities to showcase your talent, people are going to underrate you its why people think Capt.Jack is a good player. Its becoming cliche of me to say this, but it cannot be stressed enough. PEOPLE STOP MEASURING TEAMS/PLAYERS by RAW AVERAGES. Use PER POSSESSION METRICS

Sounds about right!

blazerman
08-27-2009, 07:23 PM
Look little boy, you can make the same argument about Ron Artest joining your team. His stats obviously won't be the same. You're all about stats with nothing to support them with.

Can you argue that Kidd is the best rebounding PG? Yes.
Can you argue that Marion is the best rebounding SF? Yes.
Can you argue that Nowitzki is one of the best rebounding PF's? Yes.
Can you argue that Dampier is a good offensive rebounder and overall good on the boards? Yes.
Can you argue that Josh Howard is an above average rebounder for his size and position? Yes.

:facepalm:

You're the obvious homer. I have legit reasoning as to why I think Dallas will be the top rebounding team.

You could make the same case with the Lakers, but IMO Dallas is better.


Ya know, all I end up reading from any of your posts is nothing but how great the Mavs are at everything and constant critism of other teams or how other teams are automatically less than the Mavs.

How you come to your ridiculous conclusions is beyond me considering the Mavs lost their best interior rebounder in Bass and they added three burnout has beens in Marion (he may still have some game) Thomas and Gooden.

Dont even try and throw out the 4-0 in Mavs favor last yr because the Mavs were still 4 games behind the Blazers anyway.

Well I was wondering if you'd be interested in a little bet as to who has the better record this yr out of the Mavs and Blazers for say, a jersey(no crappy print jersey's only authentic)! and how about a sig bet for the best overall rebounding team out of the Blazers and Mavs! I'd love for you to have a Blazer dunking on a Mav as a sig for a yr!

Let me know if your interested!

Tommyh1331
08-27-2009, 07:44 PM
Magic and lakers, dwight bass gortat will tear it up, plus shard rebounds as well...and one other thing...the mavs shouldn't be included!!!

MTar786
08-27-2009, 08:17 PM
Ya know, all I end up reading from any of your posts is nothing but how great the Mavs are at everything and constant critism of other teams or how other teams are automatically less than the Mavs.

How you come to your ridiculous conclusions is beyond me considering the Mavs lost their best interior rebounder in Bass and they added three burnout has beens in Marion (he may still have some game) Thomas and Gooden.

Dont even try and throw out the 4-0 in Mavs favor last yr because the Mavs were still 4 games behind the Blazers anyway.

Well I was wondering if you'd be interested in a little bet as to who has the better record this yr out of the Mavs and Blazers for say, a jersey(no crappy print jersey's only authentic)! and how about a sig bet for the best overall rebounding team out of the Blazers and Mavs! I'd love for you to have a Blazer dunking on a Mav as a sig for a yr!

Let me know if your interested!

I TOTALLY agree with your post. mavrix, if u dont mind.. i'd love to get in on that bet too. i'd love to get paid out on your weird dallas mavericks fetish

TheMicrowave
08-27-2009, 08:20 PM
Raptors. Bosh and Bargnani alone get 12 and 10 respectively.

Homer.

Illuminati999
08-27-2009, 08:38 PM
doubt their RPG will be anywhere near what they were last last year because now they are on the same team so some of those players RPG will drop


Lakers with two starting seven footers in Gasol and Bynum, plus Odom, Artest and even Kobe.
last years rebounding stats:
Gasol 9.6
Bynum 8
Odom 8.2
Artest 5.2
Kobe 5.2


But yet you did the same with Ron Artest. Come on, no one is picking the team that is probably going to lead the NBA in rebounds per game, people are just picking their favorite team.

Not to mention, the lakers do have PGs that play, so why count 5 players, none of which are PGs to support their logic, or lack thereof, on why they will be the rebounding leaders?

If Laker fans want to ask who is the better team? Probably them... but they can't be and aren't the greatest in every statistical category. Does anyone know how to be unbiased here?

Illuminati999
08-27-2009, 08:45 PM
Lol Gooden is 27 not 29.

Kidd at age 36 is still the best rebounding PG in the league.

Nowitzki is 31, have his numbers dropped at all?

Dampier is still a solid rebounder, old age or not you could make the same argument with Duncan or Shaq who still rebound the bound well even far into their 30's.

Age doesn't really represent rebounding ability.

Excellent point here!!!

If anything, when you age you learn to be a better rebounder. Look at Jason Kidd's career rebounds/game averages through the years. While you may look at most other veterans, the rebounds per game don't increase, but when you factor in the reduced minutes, they rebounds a lot better per 48 minutes. Kidd is the exception to that, because his minutes never really reduced significantly since his rookie year, that is why you can see it on his career averages.

Either way, this is a much more valiant effort to support your homer prediction that LA will lead the NBA in rebounds per game compared to your previous posts, Antbanks21.

oogaboogaman
08-27-2009, 08:58 PM
Boston has a pretty stacked front court and a PG in rondo who is a pretty good rebounding guard i here

DenButsu
08-27-2009, 09:18 PM
Thats a horrible list, please refer to Dens list for the REAL rebounding leaders.

Glad to see you approve - I wasn't sure if you'd agree with my targeting those two particular things. Rebound rate, yeah, but own/opp differential, less so.

blazerman
08-27-2009, 09:23 PM
I TOTALLY agree with your post. mavrix, if u dont mind.. i'd love to get in on that bet too. i'd love to get paid out on your weird dallas mavericks fetish

I figure if he is so adimant on how tough Dallas will be then maybe he will agree. I have no problem getting him a jersey if Dallas does better but that aint gonna happen and I would like Oden or Aldridge's road jersey anyway.

Your a lock to take that bet as a laker fan against him (Mavrix) and the Mavs!

Hopefully he will agree because you and me will be sporting new jersey's next summer. Maybe he will have a duel sig with Kobe and Roy, hell ya!:jumpy:

michigansports8
08-27-2009, 09:24 PM
I think the lakers are but idk its tuff to decide.

MTar786
08-27-2009, 09:39 PM
I figure if he is so adimant on how tough Dallas will be then maybe he will agree. I have no problem getting him a jersey if Dallas does better but that aint gonna happen and I would like Oden or Aldridge's road jersey anyway.

Your a lock to take that bet as a laker fan against him (Mavrix) and the Mavs!

Hopefully he will agree because you and me will be sporting new jersey's next summer. Maybe he will have a duel sig with Kobe and Roy, hell ya!:jumpy:

think we'll be able to get some throwbacks? lol i wouldnt mind a clyde drexler old school jersey

blazerman
08-27-2009, 10:06 PM
think we'll be able to get some throwbacks? lol i wouldnt mind a clyde drexler old school jersey

Haha, I'd be willing to do it but we dont really know what kinda guy were dealing with yet (financially) but if we can get him to agree then we'll see if we can soak him for some old school jersey's, haha.

Im waiting for a response from him on the matter, he did make this thread so he will likely read all posts.

I'd take a Wilt Chamberlain jersey and wear it proudly.

blazerman
08-27-2009, 10:19 PM
Mavrix, come out come out where ever you are!

Would you like to make a little wager with me Blazerman, as to who will have a better overall record this yr, the Mavs or the Blazers, an NBA jersey of your choice to the winner (only authentic jersey's no print jerseys).

Also how about a sig bet: which ever team is the better overall rebounding team next yr between Portland and Dallas.

What do you say Mavrix! Mtar 786 will do it all so if your down on the bet, just think you can have 2 jerseys and have two sigs for a yr! if your interested let me know.

Antbanks21
08-27-2009, 10:52 PM
But yet you did the same with Ron Artest. Come on, no one is picking the team that is probably going to lead the NBA in rebounds per game, people are just picking their favorite team.

Not to mention, the lakers do have PGs that play, so why count 5 players, none of which are PGs to support their logic, or lack thereof, on why they will be the rebounding leaders?

If Laker fans want to ask who is the better team? Probably them... but they can't be and aren't the greatest in every statistical category. Does anyone know how to be unbiased here?

ok take out Artest...we were #1 last year without him..
Gasol 9.6
Bynum 8
Odom 8.2
Kobe 5.2

but the lakers are the best rebounding team. best team as well.

Mave1002
08-27-2009, 11:10 PM
Lakerland baby

Chronz
08-28-2009, 02:45 AM
Glad to see you approve - I wasn't sure if you'd agree with my targeting those two particular things. Rebound rate, yeah, but own/opp differential, less so.

Truthfully just dont feel like delving into the matter, youd have to account for important players not being healthy skewing the results some, probably look at the top defensive rebounding lineups. Too much work for me right now

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 02:47 AM
LOL.. i love how u dallas fans get so angry when people state who the better team is. and then u come talking about age like u know me. is it because you are in denial? or is it cuz u cant stand the lakers? whats ur problem? N then they come with all their opinions like they're gonna convince someone dallas is gonna win the championship. lol. im not so insecure about my team.. so i dont need to tell u who's the better rebounder. the stats from last year show LA was better. get over it now. its gonna be the same this year. btw i dont think u can argue dirk is the best rebounding PF.. but go ahead.. make a poll asking who the best rebounding PF is. im sure it'll look like this poll. dallas last
God you're an idiot. It would be a waste of my time trying to debate anything with you, and I never said Nowitzki was the best rebounding PF. You're illiterate.

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 02:50 AM
wow, i didn't know gooden and marion were with the mavs last season. im sure they wouldn't have lost to the nuggets (that badly) with that roster ???

Damn, and I had no idea Artest was with LA last season either. Must have slipped my mind.

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 02:52 AM
Ya know, all I end up reading from any of your posts is nothing but how great the Mavs are at everything and constant critism of other teams or how other teams are automatically less than the Mavs.

How you come to your ridiculous conclusions is beyond me considering the Mavs lost their best interior rebounder in Bass and they added three burnout has beens in Marion (he may still have some game) Thomas and Gooden.

Dont even try and throw out the 4-0 in Mavs favor last yr because the Mavs were still 4 games behind the Blazers anyway.

Well I was wondering if you'd be interested in a little bet as to who has the better record this yr out of the Mavs and Blazers for say, a jersey(no crappy print jersey's only authentic)! and how about a sig bet for the best overall rebounding team out of the Blazers and Mavs! I'd love for you to have a Blazer dunking on a Mav as a sig for a yr!

Let me know if your interested!
How about who ever wins the bet has to stop posting on the site alltogether? :eyebrow:

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 02:55 AM
ok take out Artest...we were #1 last year without him..
Gasol 9.6
Bynum 8
Odom 8.2
Kobe 5.2

but the lakers are the best rebounding team. best team as well.
#5 not #1 as far as differential

MTar786
08-28-2009, 09:16 AM
Look little boy, you can make the same argument about Ron Artest joining your team. His stats obviously won't be the same. You're all about stats with nothing to support them with.

Can you argue that Kidd is the best rebounding PG? Yes.
Can you argue that Marion is the best rebounding SF? Yes.
Can you argue that Nowitzki is one of the best rebounding PF's? Yes.
Can you argue that Dampier is a good offensive rebounder and overall good on the boards? Yes.
Can you argue that Josh Howard is an above average rebounder for his size and position? Yes.

:facepalm:

You're the obvious homer. I have legit reasoning as to why I think Dallas will be the top rebounding team.

You could make the same case with the Lakers, but IMO Dallas is better.

didnt u just say u didnt claim dirk as one of the best rebounding PF's??
well??? i guess maybe mark cuban hacked into ur account again n posted this??
Saying dirk is arguable one of the best and saying he;s one of the best is basically the same thing. Sorry, but u cant even make an argument about dirk being one of the best rebounding PF's. he's not. so stop lying about ur claims.
BTW i'd love to get in on that bet. i'd love for u to stop posting here :)

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 11:30 AM
didnt u just say u didnt claim dirk as one of the best rebounding PF's??
well??? i guess maybe mark cuban hacked into ur account again n posted this??
Saying dirk is arguable one of the best and saying he;s one of the best is basically the same thing. Sorry, but u cant even make an argument about dirk being one of the best rebounding PF's. he's not. so stop lying about ur claims.
BTW i'd love to get in on that bet. i'd love for u to stop posting here :)

I said Nowitzki is ONE of the best rebounding PF's not THE best rebounding power forward. It's like trying to talk to a dog that has down syndrome.

Here's a list of PF's of last year and their rebounds per game:

1. Troy Murphy - 11.8
2. Chris Bosh - 10.0
3. Pau Gasol - 9.6
4. Kevin Love - 9.1
5. Antawn Jamison - 8.9
6. Luis Scola - 8.8
7. Paul Millsap - 8.6
8. David West - 8.5
9. Dirk Nowitzki - 8.4

Yes, Dirk is one of the best rebounding PF's in the league.

They need to make an age restriction on PSD. Only users 18+ should be allowed to post.

DenButsu
08-28-2009, 11:51 AM
Personal stuff from all parties throwing it around needs to stop before it escalates - please.

MTar786
08-28-2009, 02:02 PM
I said Nowitzki is ONE of the best rebounding PF's not THE best rebounding power forward. It's like trying to talk to a dog that has down syndrome.

Here's a list of PF's of last year and their rebounds per game:

1. Troy Murphy - 11.8
2. Chris Bosh - 10.0
3. Pau Gasol - 9.6
4. Kevin Love - 9.1
5. Antawn Jamison - 8.9
6. Luis Scola - 8.8
7. Paul Millsap - 8.6
8. David West - 8.5
9. Dirk Nowitzki - 8.4

Yes, Dirk is one of the best rebounding PF's in the league.

They need to make an age restriction on PSD. Only users 18+ should be allowed to post.

i dont understand. now ur saying he is one of the best? but in ur post before this u said he wasnt one of the best. and the post before that u said he is. and now again ur saying he is one of the best? look back at my post that u quoted me on. i did say u mentioned he is ONE of the best (which he isnt)

being on the bottom of the top 10 in RPG doesnt make u 'one of the best' rebounding PFs.
there are a lot of PF's in the nba who are better rebounders than dirk is who dont get a lot of minutes who didnt make the list btw. (like odom)
oh btw.. do u think KG and duncan are worse rebounders than dirk? cuz they're not even on that list. boozer is a better rebounder too. there are ALOT of PF's that are better rebounders than dirk. so again, Dirk is NOT one of the best.

bosh
gasol
love
jamison
boozer
KG
duncan
millsap
odom
murphy
scola
west
okafor (if u wanna count him as a pf)
randolph (arguably better at rebounding)
elton brand
marion (u yourself consider marion a PF.. u did vote for him and dirk as best pf/pf combo didnt u?)

those guys are all better at rebounding than dirk and thats just off the top of my head.. im sure there are more

blazerman
08-28-2009, 03:32 PM
How about who ever wins the bet has to stop posting on the site alltogether? :eyebrow:

You could just change your name and continue to post or vice versa. Actually I like fans such as your self that's why I offered you the deal. Im not hating on you for being a big mavs fan, I just thought it would add a little fun to the season. a sig bet for the best record if you dont want to do a jersey.

If not it's cool but it makes each game a little more exciting especially toward the end of the season if the teams are battling for the better record (which I suspect will be the case this yr).

I have a jersey bet with someone else in place but another would be cool and the Blazers/Mavs would give both of us a fair shot.

Chronz
08-28-2009, 03:54 PM
bosh
gasol
love
jamison
boozer
KG
duncan
millsap
odom
murphy
scola
west
okafor (if u wanna count him as a pf)
randolph (arguably better at rebounding)
elton brand
marion (u yourself consider marion a PF.. u did vote for him and dirk as best pf/pf combo didnt u?)

those guys are all better at rebounding than dirk and thats just off the top of my head.. im sure there are more

Some of those guys arent really better

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 04:31 PM
i dont understand. now ur saying he is one of the best? but in ur post before this u said he wasnt one of the best. and the post before that u said he is. and now again ur saying he is one of the best? look back at my post that u quoted me on. i did say u mentioned he is ONE of the best (which he isnt)

being on the bottom of the top 10 in RPG doesnt make u 'one of the best' rebounding PFs.
there are a lot of PF's in the nba who are better rebounders than dirk is who dont get a lot of minutes who didnt make the list btw. (like odom)
oh btw.. do u think KG and duncan are worse rebounders than dirk? cuz they're not even on that list. boozer is a better rebounder too. there are ALOT of PF's that are better rebounders than dirk. so again, Dirk is NOT one of the best.

bosh
gasol
love
jamison
boozer
KG
duncan
millsap
odom
murphy
scola
west
okafor (if u wanna count him as a pf)
randolph (arguably better at rebounding)
elton brand
marion (u yourself consider marion a PF.. u did vote for him and dirk as best pf/pf combo didnt u?)

those guys are all better at rebounding than dirk and thats just off the top of my head.. im sure there are more

Go look back at all my posts. Never did I once say Nowitzki was THE best rebounding PF. Ever. You're just illiterate, it's okay.

Okafor has played center his entire career. KG and Brand can't rebound like he used to. Duncan plays center half the time, I don't consider him a PF. Marion plays SF but PF when needed, just like Odom plays PF but SF when needed. They don't call Marion one of the most versatile players in the league for nothing.

Nowitzki IS one of the best rebounding forwards in the league. There is no argument here, I am done.

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 04:33 PM
You could just change your name and continue to post or vice versa. Actually I like fans such as your self that's why I offered you the deal. Im not hating on you for being a big mavs fan, I just thought it would add a little fun to the season. a sig bet for the best record if you dont want to do a jersey.

If not it's cool but it makes each game a little more exciting especially toward the end of the season if the teams are battling for the better record (which I suspect will be the case this yr).

I have a jersey bet with someone else in place but another would be cool and the Blazers/Mavs would give both of us a fair shot.
I'll go with the sig deal! Which ever team (Blazers or Mavs) win the most games wins.

I don't wear jerseys but thanks. I used to wear them when I was 16/17, not anymore unless I'm going to a game.

ManRam
08-28-2009, 06:06 PM
Los Angeles. So much size. Losing Ariza for Artest isn't a huge loss.

blazerman
08-28-2009, 06:23 PM
I'll go with the sig deal! Which ever team (Blazers or Mavs) win the most games wins.

I don't wear jerseys but thanks. I used to wear them when I was 16/17, not anymore unless I'm going to a game.

Alright cool. We have a whole yr before this bet pays off for one of us but one or the other can give the other guy a comical sig of somesort or their team. Im sure it will be interesting either way.

Alright good luck and I'll get back with you on it down the road.

Mavrix
08-28-2009, 06:25 PM
Alright cool. We have a whole yr before this bet pays off for one of us but one or the other can give the other guy a comical sig of somesort or their team. Im sure it will be interesting either way.

Alright good luck and I'll get back with you on it down the road.

I agree man, sounds good :)

Chronz
12-03-2009, 05:25 AM
Rebounding Ranks of the teams listed on the poll:

TM --- Defensive - Offensive - OVERALL
Magic (1st) (25th) (6TH)
Cavs (2nd) (29th) (11TH)
Mavs (11th) (21st) (14TH)
Lakers (19th) (13th) (13TH)

Top Rebounding Teams thus far;
Offensively: Grizzlies, Pistons, Rockets, Blazers, Kings
Defensively: Orlando, Cleveland, Bobcats, Blazers, Spurs
Overall: Blazers, Grizz, Spurs, Kings, Pistons

I get the feeling its not what the majority of us expected.... particularly Mavs fans. What happened to Marions rebounding?

DerekRE_3
12-03-2009, 05:31 AM
Rebounding Ranks of the teams listed on the poll:

TM --- Defensive - Offensive - OVERALL
Magic (1st) (25th) (6TH)
Cavs (2nd) (29th) (11TH)
Mavs (11th) (21st) (14TH)
Lakers (19th) (13th) (13TH)

Top Rebounding Teams thus far;
Offensively: Grizzlies, Pistons, Rockets, Blazers, Kings
Defensively: Orlando, Cleveland, Bobcats, Blazers, Spurs
Overall: Blazers, Grizz, Spurs, Kings, Pistons

I get the feeling its not what the majority of us expected.... particularly Mavs fans. What happened to Marions rebounding?

The Kings rebounding has shocked me. Jason Thompson has done a great job on the offensive boards. Kenny Thomas and Jon Brockman have also done a good job off the bench.

kArSoN RyDaH
12-03-2009, 06:03 AM
dude lakers are #1 in the league in rebounding. you dont need to post a thread to see this. smh

kArSoN RyDaH
12-03-2009, 06:04 AM
wait the lakers r #1 in the league for offensive rebounding. i think. if the stats on psd r right.

MTar786
12-03-2009, 06:19 AM
lol i guess mavrix was wrong about dallas being the best rebounding team n drik being a top 3 powerfoward rebounder

Mavrix
12-03-2009, 02:09 PM
Rebounding Ranks of the teams listed on the poll:

TM --- Defensive - Offensive - OVERALL
Magic (1st) (25th) (6TH)
Cavs (2nd) (29th) (11TH)
Mavs (11th) (21st) (14TH)
Lakers (19th) (13th) (13TH)

Top Rebounding Teams thus far;
Offensively: Grizzlies, Pistons, Rockets, Blazers, Kings
Defensively: Orlando, Cleveland, Bobcats, Blazers, Spurs
Overall: Blazers, Grizz, Spurs, Kings, Pistons

I get the feeling its not what the majority of us expected.... particularly Mavs fans. What happened to Marions rebounding?

Marions been injured and he's not even close to being 100%. Also joining a team full of rebounders like Kidd, Nowitzki, Dampier, Gooden, etc. is going to reduce the number of rebounds you get per game. His mpg is also down.

Mavrix
12-03-2009, 02:10 PM
Dallas hasn't been full strength at all this season. Once Howard comes back, Dallas is going to be a much different team.

Chronz
12-03-2009, 02:17 PM
Marions been injured and he's not even close to being 100%. Also joining a team full of rebounders like Kidd, Nowitzki, Dampier, Gooden, etc. is going to reduce the number of rebounds you get per game. His mpg is also down.
Joining a team full of rebounders would mean your teams a top rebounding team. They arent, and his stats are down. Somethings not right here

Either its injury or decline or both

Mavrix
12-03-2009, 02:19 PM
Joining a team full of rebounders would mean your teams a top rebounding team. They arent, and his stats are down. Somethings not right here

Either its injury or decline or both

He's been injured if you read my post. He's been forcing himself to play, which isn't good. Also the fact that Howard isn't back yet is a major reason why Dallas isn't top 10 in rebounding. Howard is a huge part of the Dallas defense.

Raph12
12-03-2009, 03:38 PM
Dallas, LA, SA, Boston and Orlando would round out my Top 5.

DerekRE_3
12-03-2009, 03:44 PM
Dallas, LA, SA, Boston and Orlando would round out my Top 5.

The Lakers and Mavericks aren't even in the top 10 in rebounding differential.

Kings Faithful
12-03-2009, 03:49 PM
The Lakers and Mavericks aren't even in the top 10 in rebounding differential.

I know! This poll is stupid... just look at rebounding differential people! I have to say though... Kings are #3 in the top 10!!! How is it possible? I don't know, but it is!

ChiSox219
12-03-2009, 03:54 PM
As of today:

Blazers
Grizzlies

The difference from #2 to #3 (Kings) is the same difference from #3 to #11 (Thunder)

By the end of the year:

Blazers
Lakers
Magic
Spurs
Bobcats

Lakeshow86
12-03-2009, 04:22 PM
well what are that stats? who was #1 last year and whos #1 this year? i dont know but i would think Lakers are up near the top as they should be with two 7 footers. Odom is a hell of a rebounder and Kobe and Artest aint too bad. they have three guys that can get 10 rebounds on any night.

MTar786
12-03-2009, 08:16 PM
He's been injured if you read my post. He's been forcing himself to play, which isn't good. Also the fact that Howard isn't back yet is a major reason why Dallas isn't top 10 in rebounding. Howard is a huge part of the Dallas defense.

who said anything about top 10?.. didnt u say dallas would be #1?
maybe it's time to admit u were wrong? everyone is wrong sometimes..

Kakaroach
12-03-2009, 08:42 PM
The Utah Jazz? Millsap, Boozer, and Okur.

Chronz
12-03-2009, 08:46 PM
well what are that stats? who was #1 last year and whos #1 this year? i dont know but i would think Lakers are up near the top as they should be with two 7 footers. Odom is a hell of a rebounder and Kobe and Artest aint too bad. they have three guys that can get 10 rebounds on any night.

basketball-reference.com for starters

Ray_R
12-03-2009, 09:03 PM
Hmmm..

Nowitki 8.4
Marion 8.5
Dampier 7.1
Kidd 6.2
Howard 5.1
Gooden 7.1

you sold me with those stats Mavs for me.