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Catfish1314
08-17-2009, 09:48 PM
There are a lot of occurrences in basketball games beneficial to their teams (drawn charges, forced turnovers that didn't result in steals, etc.), but many of them don't show up in most boxscores and therefore a lot of guys don't always get the credit they deserve for the things they do on the floor.

For me it would have to be deflections. This would be the stat for the long hustle guys who use their length and ballhawking to disrupt the opposition's offensive flow but don't get as much of a nod for it because they sometimes don't result in steals. Shane Battier, Joakim Noah, Rajon Rondo, Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, etc. are perfect examples.

If you could add a stat to the traditional NBA boxscore what would it be?

Raps08-09 Champ
08-17-2009, 09:50 PM
Taking Charges.

JordansBulls
08-17-2009, 09:53 PM
There are a lot of occurrences in basketball games beneficial to their teams (drawn charges, forced turnovers that didn't result in steals, etc.), but many of them don't show up in most boxscores and therefore a lot of guys don't always get the credit they deserve for the things they do on the floor.

For me it would have to be deflections. This would be the stat for the long hustle guys who use their length and ballhawking to disrupt the opposition's offensive flow but don't get as much of a nod for it because they sometimes don't result in steals. Shane Battier, Joakim Noah, Rajon Rondo, Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, etc. are perfect examples.

If you could add a stat to the traditional NBA boxscore what would it be?

PER or Win Shares

JMKnick33
08-17-2009, 09:53 PM
Charges per 48 minutes.

Assisted steals (as in deflections that lead to steals for your teammates).

lakers4sho
08-17-2009, 09:53 PM
hockey assists

goku
08-17-2009, 09:55 PM
charges

DetroitRipCity
08-17-2009, 09:55 PM
Flops so everyone can see thats all Varajeo does

Sox Appeal
08-17-2009, 09:59 PM
Flops so everyone can see thats all Varajeo does

:laugh2:

Probably something along the lines of what Catfish said. We need some type of stat that allows us to really give value to the Shane Battiers of the world, but as of now, there's no way for us to do that.

TO Rapz
08-17-2009, 09:59 PM
Flops so everyone can see thats all Varajeo does

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :clap:

LanceUpperCut
08-17-2009, 10:03 PM
how much tang you get on the road...KOBE

madiaz3
08-17-2009, 10:43 PM
idk some cool ratio of shooting/passing as the first action when a player catches the ball

b_rad23
08-17-2009, 10:46 PM
Charges...

Storch
08-17-2009, 10:50 PM
Charges, open shots and percentage, contested shot and percentage, deflections, jump ball, and assist - assist passes.

IDB Josh M
08-17-2009, 10:52 PM
goal tends and blocks to goal tends ratio. And more "bad" stats.

krest213
08-17-2009, 10:58 PM
most flap

35th&Shields
08-17-2009, 11:01 PM
I'd go with the +/- stat that hockey uses.

Bruno
08-18-2009, 12:07 AM
Something I'd call "missed assists". For every time a player could have gotten an assits, had their teammate made the jumpshot/layup.

DerekRE_3
08-18-2009, 12:12 AM
hockey assists

This.

jakesmail123
08-18-2009, 12:31 AM
assist numbers when a player gets fouled and goes to the line..definately needs to be incorporated. many great passes end up not being assists simply becuase the shooter gets fouled and misses the shot.

DCB/LAL
08-18-2009, 12:35 AM
How the number of times you make a pass that leads to the assist "the set-up" pass or whatever you wanna call it.......For ex. Kobe has the ball draws the double then kicks it down to Gasol who then kicks it out to Fisher for an open 3 all because Kobe drew the double!

_KB24_
08-18-2009, 12:42 AM
The amount of BS calls that Lebron, Kobe, and Wade get.

jakesmail123
08-18-2009, 12:49 AM
The amount of BS calls that Lebron, Kobe, and Wade get.

this too. :nod:
if there really was a stat where people reviewed games and said how many wrong calls a player got(usually in favor of them), i bet the refs would start making real calls. the nba however will never let this happen

BoSox47
08-18-2009, 12:50 AM
+/- Show when on the floor if the team scores more or lets up more points while playing

xHTOWN713x
08-18-2009, 12:57 AM
Questionable or bad calls

Flamarlins21
08-18-2009, 01:06 AM
How many times you dunk on Lebron :)

smith&wesson
08-18-2009, 01:18 AM
2nd assist like hockey, that would incourage players to be less selfish and make that extra pass.

theuuord
08-18-2009, 01:21 AM
I'd change the whole thing pretty much.

"someone invented the box score, and he should be shot."
-Daryl Morey

Chronz
08-18-2009, 01:36 AM
Hockey assists

Raps08-09 Champ
08-18-2009, 01:40 AM
Hockey assist suck.

Shaq cold probably average 10 apg then. All he has to do is kick it out to Williams and let Williams pass it to LBJ and LBJ with the basket. It would be so easy to get assist then.

secterm
08-18-2009, 01:48 AM
+/- Show when on the floor if the team scores more or lets up more points while playing

Either that or charges (offensive fouls) taken by a player.

D-Will4Prez
08-18-2009, 01:54 AM
Should be a way to measure Defense other than just blocks and steals

TopsyTurvy
08-18-2009, 02:14 AM
I would like to see something involving contact. Charges are no brainers (and most coaches already track it) but I would like to see it one step further to include successful picks/screens (again something most coaches already keep an eye on and recognize in player tendancies when gameplanning).

A +/- stat works but is ultimately even susceptible to match-up discrepancies than scoring, rebounding, or assists. It also reflects the play of your teammates more than a singular players productivity. In itself it would be interesting to look at on a whole team/lineup level, but I can't see too much use for a +/- stat at the individual level beyond a cursory glance. You will know who regularly doesn't perform on certain lineups and why - what's the point of the stat?

Trouble87
08-18-2009, 02:18 AM
charges taken

Chronz
08-18-2009, 02:30 AM
Hockey assist suck.

Shaq cold probably average 10 apg then. All he has to do is kick it out to Williams and let Williams pass it to LBJ and LBJ with the basket. It would be so easy to get assist then.
I dont think you understand what a hockey assist is.

Young2Kinsler
08-18-2009, 02:38 AM
Yahoo already has +/- in their box scores.

The stat I want to see is who raises their shoulders and bugs their eyes out at the refs every time a whistle blows against him, Tim Duncan or Tim Duncan. LOL but seriously...

If I could add anything to the box score, when you click a players name for that game, a floor chart with makes and misses.

theuuord
08-18-2009, 02:39 AM
Yahoo already has +/- in their box scores.

The stat I want to see is who raises their shoulders and bugs their eyes out at the refs every time a whistle blows against him, Tim Duncan or Tim Duncan. LOL but seriously...

If I could add anything to the box score, when you click a players name for that game, a floor chart with makes and misses.

they have that on NBA.com.

Young2Kinsler
08-18-2009, 02:42 AM
ahh i did not know they had it for individual players

theuuord
08-18-2009, 02:44 AM
ahh i did not know they had it for individual players

yup. it's great for game-by-game stuff but as far as i know they don't have any full season records of % based on spots on the floor. that would be extremely useful.

Young2Kinsler
08-18-2009, 02:46 AM
yup. it's great for game-by-game stuff but as far as i know they don't have any full season records of % based on spots on the floor. that would be extremely useful.

That would be sick

Ovratd1up
08-18-2009, 02:55 AM
The NBA very well could create a stat that measures the amount of "LeBron's" there are in a player's first name just so Bron could lead the league every year. It would something like "LBJ's/48m".

HuRRiCaNeS324
08-18-2009, 02:55 AM
Drawing charges for sure.

dwadefan03
08-18-2009, 08:42 AM
shots attempted per game so we can see how many kobe throws up a game

BaustinSali08
08-18-2009, 08:50 AM
I like the hockey assist idea.

jimbobjarree
08-18-2009, 08:54 AM
points prevented, like if the player made a significant defensive play, block, steal etc

deflections?

Unruly Fan
08-18-2009, 09:02 AM
Dunks

heatbb
08-18-2009, 09:08 AM
Points off assists. A lot of easy but missed due to a foul baskets are turned to freethrows and FT's don't count as assists as we all know.

DCB/LAL
08-18-2009, 09:35 AM
shots attempted per game so we can see how many kobe throws up a game

Wade averaged more shot attempts per game than Kobe so dont know why your Farting out your mouth for?? :shrug:



Kobe Bryant- 20.9 attempts per game


Dwayne Wade- 22 attempts per game

DCB/LAL
08-18-2009, 09:38 AM
Or how about how many "key" plays to winning the game a guy made for ex. Ariza(although not entirely because of him) stealing those passes against the Nuggets in the playoffs.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-18-2009, 09:48 AM
Contested and uncontested shots

jimbobjarree
08-18-2009, 09:55 AM
an individuals points of fast breaks

Reddd
08-18-2009, 10:10 AM
The amount of BS calls that Lebron, Kobe, and Wade get.

One of the greatest sigs I've ever seen

younggunn113
08-18-2009, 10:17 AM
Assists off fouls. If they make the basket for an and one, then you get one assits, but if they get fouled and missed I say .5 of an assist for each free throw.

Mile High Champ
08-18-2009, 10:24 AM
Something I'd call "missed assists". For every time a player could have gotten an assits, had their teammate made the jumpshot/layup.

I like it but man would hate to have that job...

Unruly Fan
08-18-2009, 10:26 AM
Wade averaged more shot attempts per game than Kobe so dont know why your Farting out your mouth for?? :shrug:



Kobe Bryant- 20.9 attempts per game


Dwayne Wade- 22 attempts per game

Kobe avg. 26.8 ppg

Wade avg. 30.2 ppg

Therefore Wade was still better.

Mavrix
08-18-2009, 10:31 AM
Some kind of stat that would award hustle plays like diving for loose balls, saving the ball from going out, etc.

Dunks per game would be good

And better defensive stats like charges

Mikeleafs
08-18-2009, 10:33 AM
Deflections... Would show how active a player is on defense.

mavwar53
08-18-2009, 10:50 AM
deflections, but if possible the hockey type of assists

Lo Porto
08-18-2009, 10:52 AM
The amount of calls stars get because the name on their jersey. If it could be shown that LeBron and Kobe went to the line 2X a game for stuff that wasn't a foul, maybe the playoffs wouldn't be tainted by the "star treatment".

BkOriginalOne
08-18-2009, 10:54 AM
1. Drawing Charges
2. Deflections
3. Opponent's FG%

All these stats would boost the value of guys like Battier, Posey, Varejao, Anthony Carter, Rajon Rondo, Marion, Ak47

These guys win you championships.

DCB/LAL
08-18-2009, 11:00 AM
Kobe avg. 26.8 ppg

Wade avg. 30.2 ppg

Therefore Wade was still better.

Kobe 2009 NBA Finals MVP + Championship trophy= Kobe is still on top!!:D


Wade- 1 Ring

Kobe- 4 Rings- i highlighted the "S" to show you its plural.


(WADE)1 ring< (KOBE)4 rings

Coqui77
08-18-2009, 11:29 AM
Kobe 2009 NBA Finals MVP + Championship trophy= Kobe is still on top!!:D


Wade- 1 Ring

Kobe- 4 Rings- i highlighted the "S" to show you its plural.


(WADE)1 ring< (KOBE)4 rings

I guess Shaq was right, Kobe can win it by himself, he needs an all-star roster... and the embarrassment of the year before. Lucky for Kobe, Garnett got hurt.

Unruly Fan
08-18-2009, 11:32 AM
Kobe 2009 NBA Finals MVP + Championship trophy= Kobe is still on top!!:D


Wade- 1 Ring

Kobe- 4 Rings- i highlighted the "S" to show you its plural.


(WADE)1 ring< (KOBE)4 ringslol I meant better as in points scored per shot attempt but ok.

But seriously... your trying to compare the Lakers (I bolded the "s" to show you that Kobe didn't win those rings on his own) with Miami?

DCB/LAL
08-18-2009, 11:41 AM
I guess Shaq was right, Kobe can win it by himself, he needs an all-star roster... and the embarrassment of the year before. Lucky for Kobe, Garnett got hurt.

HAHAHA:laugh::laugh2: hey guess what .................

LA LAKERS 2009 NBA CHAMPS!!

KOBE BRYANT 2009 NBA FINALS MVP!!!



HATE IT?? I KNOW YOU DO!!!:D

DCB/LAL
08-18-2009, 11:44 AM
lol I meant better as in points scored per shot attempt but ok.

But seriously... your trying to compare the Lakers (I bolded the "s" to show you that Kobe didn't win those rings on his own) with Miami?

PPG you meant and like everyone would say before doesn't matter how many PPG you average all that matters is Winning

DitchDat
08-18-2009, 12:02 PM
- pass that leads to assist (like an assist-before-assist)
- touches per game
- in soccer, computers calculate how much a player ran, maybe something like "distance ran"

Unruly Fan
08-18-2009, 12:04 PM
PPG you meant and like everyone would say before doesn't matter how many PPG you average all that matters is Winning

Well... I specifically remember you saying this:


Wade averaged more shot attempts per game than Kobe so dont know why your Farting out your mouth for?? :shrug:



Kobe Bryant- 20.9 attempts per game


Dwayne Wade- 22 attempts per game

I was simply arguing that DWade was more of an efficient scorer that your husband Kobe and you can't take it.

lakersrock
08-18-2009, 12:04 PM
I would count assists if you hit a wide open guy. The years Kobe scored 30+ PPG, he would have had 10+ APG as well if those dopes could hit wide open shots.

piratesnation
08-18-2009, 12:10 PM
charges will be cool stats too see

DCB/LAL
08-18-2009, 12:14 PM
Well... I specifically remember you saying this:



I was simply arguing that DWade was more of an efficient scorer that your husband Kobe and you can't take it.

Well i was responding to a guy who said Kobe took too many shots so i pointed out that Wade(whom he had in his screen name) averaged more shots than Kobe

ttam68
08-18-2009, 12:34 PM
^You guys are idiots

1. Deflections
2. Forced Turnovers (as in drawn charges or even hard pressure that results in throwing the ball away)
3. Partial assists (0.5 assists if a guy is fouled while shooting off a pass, it'd be hard to do anything with just missed shots because part of the assist is knowing your teammates and getting it to the right guy in the right place)

DetroitRipCity
08-18-2009, 12:43 PM
Crab Dribbles add those to the boxscores



oh wait they already are its called a Turnover

king4day
08-18-2009, 04:45 PM
1. Deflections
2. Forced Turnovers (as in drawn charges or even hard pressure that results in throwing the ball away)
3. Partial assists (0.5 assists if a guy is fouled while shooting off a pass, it'd be hard to do anything with just missed shots because part of the assist is knowing your teammates and getting it to the right guy in the right place)

I like those ideas a lot. Especially the 'partial assists'. I never found it fair that someone is robbed of an assist when an easy dunk is stopped due to an intentional foul.

td0tsfinest
08-18-2009, 04:57 PM
Forced TOs is a good idea. We need more defensive stats, add a stat like that would some what gives us a better picture of whos good defender via numbers.

Lakers4ItAll
08-18-2009, 05:01 PM
assist numbers when a player gets fouled and goes to the line..definately needs to be incorporated. many great passes end up not being assists simply becuase the shooter gets fouled and misses the shot.

This deff needs to be in the Stats but only if the player goes to the line and makes both shots

daleja424
08-18-2009, 05:07 PM
I dont wanna keep track of charges... the nba player already flops WAY TO MUCH...I dont wanna give them incentive to do it even more. The legends of the game must be sick to their stomach watching guys like Varajao throw himself on the floor every 2 minutes

Verbal Christ
08-18-2009, 05:17 PM
intimidations in the paint

PLAYERS FAN
08-18-2009, 05:29 PM
hockey assist

ctitus45
08-18-2009, 05:31 PM
Something that shows how valuable someone like Battier or Varejo is to their team since they don't fill up the current stat sheet. (this includes charges, which has been a popular stat idea in this forum)

Also, how many OPEN Shots players get. Which means, how many times in a game someone gets a completely open shot/dunk/layup and then calculate their miss/make ratio into a percentage.

I mean, you could seperate contested shots vs. open shots too...either way, it would be interesting to see.

stockchampion25
08-18-2009, 05:33 PM
hockey assists

Im with this guy. The "Hockey Assist" would be much easier to count rather than a person taking a "Charge". Yes the ref makes a call but how many of us agree with those calls (unless it benefits your team)?

What does everyone think about giving an assist on a foul that results in FT's? Meaning, you toss it inside the guy makes his move and WHAM he gets fouled and is now shooting 2. If he makes 1 of 2 then you get .5 assist and if you are shooting 3 and you make 1 then you get .3 and if you make 2 then you get .6 and so on. I just hate when a guy gets inside then kicks it out(making the correct play rather than forcing it) and the guys shooting the 3 or 2 gets fouled. To me the guy passing the ball created those FT's for that guy. What do the PSD forum think?

bleedprple&gold
08-18-2009, 05:43 PM
Im with this guy. The "Hockey Assist" would be much easier to count rather than a person taking a "Charge". Yes the ref makes a call but how many of us agree with those calls (unless it benefits your team)?

What does everyone think about giving an assist on a foul that results in FT's? Meaning, you toss it inside the guy makes his move and WHAM he gets fouled and is now shooting 2. If he makes 1 of 2 then you get .5 assist and if you are shooting 3 and you make 1 then you get .3 and if you make 2 then you get .6 and so on. I just hate when a guy gets inside then kicks it out(making the correct play rather than forcing it) and the guys shooting the 3 or 2 gets fouled. To me the guy passing the ball created those FT's for that guy. What do the PSD forum think?

never thought about that, but I really like that idea. If you can get half a sack in football, why shouldn't you be able to get half an assist in bball?

dsickich123
08-18-2009, 05:54 PM
I would like to see...points given up by each player...so you can really judge their defensive skills...

ctitus45
08-18-2009, 06:00 PM
I would like to see...points given up by each player...so you can really judge their defensive skills...

that's a great idea! the only problems with it is, sometimes defenses are meant to lead a guy into a double team. so whoever kept that stat would have to understand that it's only at one on one moments. it's really tough, especially if someone gets beat by one step, catches their man as the double comes and the offensive player makes the shot. is it the help defenders job to defend that shot now? (since it was part of the defense) or is it the primary defenders fault?

DetroitRipCity
08-18-2009, 06:01 PM
Something that shows how valuable someone like Battier or Varejo is to their team since they don't fill up the current stat sheet. (this includes charges, which has been a popular stat idea in this forum)

Also, how many OPEN Shots players get. Which means, how many times in a game someone gets a completely open shot/dunk/layup and then calculate their miss/make ratio into a percentage.

I mean, you could seperate contested shots vs. open shots too...either way, it would be interesting to see.

Varejo doesnt take charges he flops

ctitus45
08-18-2009, 06:03 PM
Varejo doesnt take charges he flops

yeah we get it...u hate ppl who flop. i do too...but the refs still call it a charge.

im a mavs fan...i saw the refs take a championship away from us in favor of Wade.

but we get it...u dont like floppers.

stockchampion25
08-18-2009, 06:04 PM
Varejo doesnt take charges he flops

I think youre in Love with Varejo.

DetroitRipCity
08-18-2009, 06:06 PM
yeah we get it...u hate ppl who flop. i do too...but the refs still call it a charge.

im a mavs fan...i saw the refs take a championship away from us in favor of Wade.

but we get it...u dont like floppers.

lol your acting like ive posted that 50 times ive only said it twice chill dude

knicks religion
08-18-2009, 06:12 PM
*forced [ involuntary ] loss of dribble caused by the defender*. shown by the ability to shut down a player and make them lose their dribble while either driving or preparing to make a move to no avail. causes unwanted elapse of shot-clock, re-grouping, another pass, etc. the statistic of all lock-down defenders.

ctitus45
08-18-2009, 06:12 PM
lol your acting like ive posted that 50 times ive only said it twice chill dude

no im relaxed about it, dont worry. im just sayin...what's ur beef with Varejo? is it because the Cavs own the Pistons? you know you would love Varejo on the Pistons. Everyone flops in the NBA now...not just Varejo...but the refs call it so it's something we have to deal with as NBA fans.

Raph12
08-18-2009, 06:15 PM
Opp FG%, Opp 3PT%

Ie. Bruce Bowen guards Kobe for 20mins, Artest for 15mins.

During the time "Bowen" guards them, both players shots made/attempted are added together and calculated into a percentage to see who the best defenders in the NBA really are.

daleja424
08-18-2009, 06:17 PM
yeah we get it...u hate ppl who flop. i do too...but the refs still call it a charge.

im a mavs fan...i saw the refs take a championship away from us in favor of Wade.

but we get it...u dont like floppers.

hahaha...still bitter :laugh:

ctitus45
08-18-2009, 06:21 PM
hahaha...still bitter :laugh:

not bitter at all, im over it. it just really opened my eyes to how the refs control a lot of playoff games in the NBA.

DetroitRipCity
08-18-2009, 06:22 PM
no im relaxed about it, dont worry. im just sayin...what's ur beef with Varejo? is it because the Cavs own the Pistons? you know you would love Varejo on the Pistons. Everyone flops in the NBA now...not just Varejo...but the refs call it so it's something we have to deal with as NBA fans.

dude i really dont want to go into how much the Pistons own the cavs they have beat us in 2 playoff series and have no NBA titles... but to tell you the truth i ****ing hate Varejo i think he is a trash basketball player good job for the Cavs overpaying him, i wouldnt start Varejo on a special olympics team.

knicks religion
08-18-2009, 06:25 PM
just a thought . . .

MPScribbles
08-18-2009, 08:08 PM
Partial assist is a great idea and so is contested shots. I like deflections or "steal assist" because lots of times the guy that gets the steal is just right place/right time. He did nothing to get the steal but catch the ball that came at him thanks to a teammate's good D.

Oh yea, and I would like to see intimidation/changed shots. Although that one is a little more subjective because some guys jump knowing that they will have to change the shot in order to get the foul call and have a chance at making the shot.

Hustla23
08-18-2009, 10:52 PM
how much tang you get on the road...KOBE
LOL That's hilarious :laugh:

danbola
08-19-2009, 12:00 AM
How about in the column next to assists there could be a stat called "assisted points" or something like that. It shows you the total of all the points scored from your assists. It would give you credit for the extra point for assisting on a 3 instead of a 2. It would give you credit for assisting on the free throws. It could also possibly give you credit for the hockey assist.

HoopsMachine
08-19-2009, 12:19 AM
Challenged shots and deflections would be good stats to measure defensive on-ball activity, but I think team scouts already track these stats.

hoop talk
08-19-2009, 01:11 AM
how many times a player passes the ball vs. how many assists he gets. This would clear up alot of "ballhog" labels

dick butane
08-19-2009, 02:10 AM
illegitimate children.

GeorgeMcCloud21
08-19-2009, 10:45 PM
drawn charges & star calls

DCSportsIsPain
08-19-2009, 10:54 PM
Blown Calls, as in how many times the officials either got a call wrong or clearly gave someone a benefit call, such as allowing three steps, allowing push offs, allowing 3 second violations, calling invisible fouls ...

theuuord
08-19-2009, 10:54 PM
illegitimate children.

per game??!?!?!?!!?

Catfish1314
08-19-2009, 11:04 PM
If any stat is added to the game at any point, I think it has to be a defensive stat of some kind. Defense, to this day, is still more overlooked than offense and players who excel at that end of the floor don't get the credit they deserve because they don't always get enough blocks or steals to draw attention in the boxscores.