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SteveNash
08-17-2009, 08:20 AM
Going by this poll: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397920 over 75% of you on PSD believe that it is possible to build a championship team around the Allen Iverson of 2001.

So I want to determine if it's actually possible to win with AI. Person who comes up with the best team wins a prize.

Rules:
-AI has to unquestionably be the best player on his team, no Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, etc. teammates.

-65 million in cap space to spend not including AI's contract. Salaries can be found here:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

-Only 1 player is allowed to still be on there rookie scale contract.

-AI may be his 2001 self, but he's playing in todays NBA, meaning he'll need to compete against the Orlando/Cleveland/Boston teams of 09-10 to even get through the East.

BkOriginalOne
08-17-2009, 08:53 AM
Allen Iverson
Raja Bell
Caron Butler
Elton Brand
Marcus Camby

SteveNash
08-17-2009, 09:08 AM
Allen Iverson
Raja Bell
Caron Butler
Elton Brand
Marcus Camby

That is a descent start, though I don't know about having AI at PG.

And I doubt a team is going to win with only 5 players.

NYKnickFanatic
08-17-2009, 09:12 AM
Going by this poll: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397920 over 75% of you on PSD believe that it is possible to build a championship team around the Allen Iverson of 2001.

So I want to determine if it's actually possible to win with AI. Person who comes up with the best team wins a prize.

Rules:
-AI has to unquestionably be the best player on his team, no Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, etc. teammates.

-65 million in cap space to spend not including AI's contract. Salaries can be found here:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

-Only 1 player is allowed to still be on there rookie scale contract.

-AI may be his 2001 self, but he's playing in todays NBA, meaning he'll need to compete against the Orlando/Cleveland/Boston teams of 09-10 to even get through the East.

How come you didnt make one?

magichatnumber9
08-17-2009, 09:20 AM
to many rules and things to think about. No thanks, interesting thread though

mitch91
08-17-2009, 09:44 AM
kirk hinrich- big pg and can maybe take on some of the two gaurds as a.i is quite small. also can hit the open 3 when needed and is comfortable with the ball in his hands and will make that extra pass

a.i- has to be in the team since the threads about him

shane battier- probably the best defender in the league, great team guy and will keep people in check, he will be the glue of this team and will instill a defensive mentality to this team

kevin garnett- we all have seen what he did for the celtics and hopefully he would do the same for this team. can create his own shot and can go for 20 a night if needed

tyson chandler- athletic big guy who will block shots and will catch lob passes from both kirk and a.i. will also bring solid defense to this team

starting salary is roughly 46-47 million (not including a.i's contract as he doesn't have one and it said in the thread not to include his contract, so that leaves me with roughly...18 million for a bench)

bench
steve blake-solid pg
rudy fernandez- instant offense of the bench
grant hill- great veteran, plays defense, can pass and can score the ball. also great team player
rasho nesterovic- always need a solid big guy off the bench

i think i may be a slight bit over the cap but big whoop, throw in a couple of draft picks and a few vets min players and thats a solid team i think

i tried following the rules and tried to make a team that was slightly plausible, not something like ai lebron d-12 etc etc and didnt put rookies in there. i tried to make up for a.i's lack of size and D with the players around him

Ragan
08-17-2009, 09:56 AM
Tough, but interesting. Here's my team:

C - Al Jefferson (12mm)
PF - Sheed (5.8)
SF - Durant (4.8)
SG - AI (0)
PG - Jose Calderon (8.2)
Ben - Al Horford (4.3)
Ben - Glen Davis (3)
Ben - Trevor Ariza (5.8)
Ben - Mickael Pietrus (5.3)
Ben - Jameer Nelson (6.1)
Ben - Reggie Evans (4.9)
Ben - Kyle Korver (5.1)
TEAM (65.3mm)

I'll eat the $300,000 luxury tax, or if you're going to be really anal then just swap Korver out for Reddick or some other generic shooter. With '01AI out there, your primary needs are shooting and defense, so I tried to pick guys who could do a bit of both (who weren't on rookie deals but also didn't make a ton of money, meaning a lot of MLE type guys). Though AI would dominate the ball, you still need a #2 scoring option (KD) and an inside scoring option (Jefferson). The bench is filled with guys who could come into the game and contribute in various ways without needing to get their hands on the ball, which is key with AI on the floor. What do you guys think?

randomness
08-17-2009, 09:56 AM
Biedrins/Gortat
Wallace/Kaman
Durant/Artest
Iverson/Ariza
Nelson/Williams

Total Salaries: (without Iverson)
around 58m

randomness
08-17-2009, 09:57 AM
Tough, but interesting. Here's my team:

C - Al Jefferson (12mm)
PF - Sheed (5.8)
SF - Durant (4.8)
SG - AI (0)
PG - Jose Calderon (8.2)
Ben - Al Horford (4.3)
Ben - Glen Davis (3)
Ben - Trevor Ariza (5.8)
Ben - Mickael Pietrus (5.3)
Ben - Jameer Nelson (6.1)
Ben - Reggie Evans (4.9)
Ben - Kyle Korver (5.1)
TEAM (65.3mm)

I'll eat the $300,000 luxury tax, or if you're going to be really anal then just swap Korver out for Reddick or some other generic shooter. With '01AI out there, your primary needs are shooting and defense, so I tried to pick guys who could do a bit of both (who weren't on rookie deals but also didn't make a ton of money, meaning a lot of MLE type guys). Though AI would dominate the ball, you still need a #2 scoring option (KD) and an inside scoring option (Jefferson). The bench is filled with guys who could come into the game and contribute in various ways without needing to get their hands on the ball, which is key with AI on the floor. What do you guys think?

Nice team but you can only have 1 player at the rookie scale contract and you have 2. Durant and Horford.

ttam68
08-17-2009, 09:57 AM
Position Salary
PG Iverson Allen $ -
SG Johnson Joe $ 14,976,754
SF Battier Shane $ 6,864,200
PF Gasol Pau $ 16,451,000
C Biedrins Andris $ 9,000,000
SG/SF Gay Rudy $ 3,280,996 (Rookie Contract)
SF/SG Ariza Trevor $ 5,854,000
C/PF Camby Marcus $ 7,650,000
PG Ivey Royal $ 923,050


Total: $ 65,000,000

Surrounded him with shooters, defenders, some post-up guys. Decent depth, and AI in his prime was better than all of these guys.

mitch91
08-17-2009, 09:58 AM
i thought the point was to have only one person on a rookie scale contract?

ttam68
08-17-2009, 09:59 AM
Tough, but interesting. Here's my team:

C - Al Jefferson (12mm)
PF - Sheed (5.8)
SF - Durant (4.8)
SG - AI (0)
PG - Jose Calderon (8.2)
Ben - Al Horford (4.3)
Ben - Glen Davis (3)
Ben - Trevor Ariza (5.8)
Ben - Mickael Pietrus (5.3)
Ben - Jameer Nelson (6.1)
Ben - Reggie Evans (4.9)
Ben - Kyle Korver (5.1)
TEAM (65.3mm)

I'll eat the $300,000 luxury tax, or if you're going to be really anal then just swap Korver out for Reddick or some other generic shooter. With '01AI out there, your primary needs are shooting and defense, so I tried to pick guys who could do a bit of both (who weren't on rookie deals but also didn't make a ton of money, meaning a lot of MLE type guys). Though AI would dominate the ball, you still need a #2 scoring option (KD) and an inside scoring option (Jefferson). The bench is filled with guys who could come into the game and contribute in various ways without needing to get their hands on the ball, which is key with AI on the floor. What do you guys think?


Biedrins/Gortat
Scola/Kaman
Durant/Artest
Iverson/Ariza
Nelson/Williams

Total Salaries: (without Iverson)
around 56m

You could argue that Durant's better than AI, or atleast will be better.

And, aren't Jameer and Scola on rookie contracts?

randomness
08-17-2009, 10:02 AM
You could argue that Durant's better than AI, or atleast will be better.

And, aren't Jameer and Scola on rookie contracts?

My bad, Scola is on a rookie scale contract too. Jameer isn't though. I'll replace Scola now.

DenButsu
08-17-2009, 10:09 AM
The first requirement would be a point guard of the variety that Shaun Livingston looked like he might become until he got injured. Tall and defensive-minded enough to legitimately guard the league's shooting guards, while still having the ball handling and playmaking ability to legitimately play the point, so AI could basically play the 2 on offense and the 1 on defense, which is really the only realistic way to minimize his defensive weaknesses (which of course is partially a function of his small size) and maximize his offensive strengths.

DenButsu
08-17-2009, 10:10 AM
^And that really gets to one of the central reasons why it's so hard to build a good team around him: Guards who can play that role are exceptionally rare.

ttam68
08-17-2009, 10:13 AM
^And that really gets to one of the central reasons why it's so hard to build a good team around him: Guards who can play that role are exceptionally rare.

e.g. Joe Johnson

cmacmath
08-17-2009, 10:26 AM
No desire to look up what these guys make, thats too much work...

but here is a line up:

PG - Russell Westbrook (strong guard who doesn't need to shoot, but can shoot and can guard 2's so AI doesn't have to...he's better than Eric Snow)
SG - Allen Iverson
SF - Shane Battier (rugged, plays D, rebounds, can play in transition, team player, doesn't need the ball, can hit open shots when needed tho)
PF - Luis Scola (doesn't need the ball in his hands, a face the basket big man who won't clog the middle and is an above average passer who will work hard for offensive rebounds)
C - Tyson Chandler (the anchor of the defense, in case AI's guy blows by him you have an intimidator and shot blocker...again, another guy who doesn't need the ball on offense but will get his own points off offensive rebounds put backs and lob passes)

Bench:

PG: - Chris Duhon (does what Westbrook does, only worse, for not a lot of money)
SG: - maybe Jannero Pargo or Courtney Lee (doesn't matter because they will barely play)
SF: - insert anyone
PF - ZaZa or Tyrus Thomas
C - Ronny Turiaf

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

No clue what my salary is, but I imagine its close...

TO Rapz
08-17-2009, 11:02 AM
kk heres my squad:

Pg: Rajon Rondo 2.6 mil
Sg: Allen Iverson none
Sf: Shane Battier 6.8 mil
Pf: Kevin Garnett 16.4 mil
C : Andris Biedrins 9 mil starters= 34.8 mil

Bench:

C : Al Horford 4.3 mil
pf:Chris Andersen 3.7 mil
sf: Trevor Ariza 5.8 mil
sg: Dahntay Jones 2.5 mil
pg: Randy Foye 3.5 mil bench lineup: 22.8 mil

Extras:

Shelden Williams 0.8 mil
courtney lee 1.2 mil
Leon powe 0.8 mil
ramon sessions 1 mil
JJ REddick 2.8
6.6 mil ^^

TOTAL SALARY: 64.2 mil

Grizzly Adams
08-17-2009, 11:09 AM
PG: Jameer Nelson (6 million)
SG: Allen Iverson
SF: Rudy Gay (3.2 million)
PF: Pau Gasol (16 million)
C: Al Jefferson (12 million)

Bench:
PG: Steve Blake (4.9 million)
SG: John Salmons (5.5 million)
SF: Rasual Butler (3.9 million)
PF: Rasheed Wallace (5.8 million)
C: Marcus Camby (7.6 million)

Comes to 64.9 million, pushing the limits of the salary cap, so the remaining slots would have to go to players for the veterans minimum, but none of those players hold a candle to Iverson in 2001 and this team would do some damage.

rabzouz 96
08-17-2009, 11:14 AM
billups 12,100,000
ai
prince 10,324,380
okafor 10,538,937
lopez 2,255,880
= 35 million dollar
-
andre miller 6,730,800
shane battier 6,864,200
kelenna azubuike 3,132,000
odom 7,500,000
joell przybilla 6,857,725
=30 million dollar

ramansingh3
08-17-2009, 11:46 AM
Pg- Jameer Nelson (6.1)
Sg- Allen Iverson (0)
Sf- Gerald Wallace (9.1)
Pf- Andrea Bargnani (6.5) (RC)
C- Andrew Bynum (12.5)
6th Man- Lamar Odom (7.5)
7- Derek Fisher (5)
8- Anthony Parker (2.5)
9- Drew Gooden (4.5)
10- Bruce Bowen (1.2) (Assuming he signs veterans minimum)
11- JJ Redick (2.8)
12- Rasho Nestorovic (1)

Total 58.7 M

PrettyBoyJ
08-17-2009, 12:31 PM
Chauncey Billiups/Raymond Felton
Allen Iverson/Raja Bell
Rudy Gay/Mickel Pietrus
Paul Milsap/Tyrus Thomas
Troy Murphy/Joahkim Noah

Chronz
08-17-2009, 12:56 PM
Kirk Hinrich is a must, any team that has AI at the Point will suffer if hes their best player.

Chronz
08-17-2009, 01:37 PM
e.g. Joe Johnson

JJ can play the point in a pinch, but hes not a full time PG. I always enjoy seeing 2 combo guards sharing the backcourt, but not with AI, AI is at his best when hs a full time 2. He needs a truer PG alongside him. The kind Den was getting at in the Livingston or Eric Snow mold.

The best possible guy is Hinrich, hes not a TRUE PG but hes way better at it than the guys above, he can shoot and defend SG's more competently than 1's, plus I think his contract is frontloaded. Just the perfect piece.

Yes the team would be better with JJ, but your already maxing out resources at a position that wouldnt be working at 100% capacity. It be better spending that money on upgrades else where. Thats how I would approach building around AI.

The frontcourt is where it gets tricky, finding 2-way players is hard. I like the list someone had of Elton Brand but he may be done as an impact player offensively by now.

2_Trill
08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
yea its possible.. he's the best little man in the league.. expect great things from him this up in-coming season.. dont sleep on iverson

Chronz
08-17-2009, 01:41 PM
Tough, but interesting. Here's my team:

C - Al Jefferson (12mm)
PF - Sheed (5.8)
SF - Durant (4.8)
SG - AI (0)
PG - Jose Calderon (8.2)
Ben - Al Horford (4.3)
Ben - Glen Davis (3)
Ben - Trevor Ariza (5.8)
Ben - Mickael Pietrus (5.3)
Ben - Jameer Nelson (6.1)
Ben - Reggie Evans (4.9)
Ben - Kyle Korver (5.1)
TEAM (65.3mm)

I'll eat the $300,000 luxury tax, or if you're going to be really anal then just swap Korver out for Reddick or some other generic shooter. With '01AI out there, your primary needs are shooting and defense, so I tried to pick guys who could do a bit of both (who weren't on rookie deals but also didn't make a ton of money, meaning a lot of MLE type guys). Though AI would dominate the ball, you still need a #2 scoring option (KD) and an inside scoring option (Jefferson). The bench is filled with guys who could come into the game and contribute in various ways without needing to get their hands on the ball, which is key with AI on the floor. What do you guys think?

Thats a ridiculously stacked team.

rabzouz 96
08-17-2009, 03:59 PM
Kirk Hinrich is a must, any team that has AI at the Point will suffer if hes their best player.

well billups is also an option, he can guard the 2 as well and has a three point shot.

Chronz
08-17-2009, 04:39 PM
well billups is also an option, he can guard the 2 as well and has a three point shot.

I thought of him abit, but his presence defeats the purpose of this thread, if they were on the same team Billups would be its best player.

JordansBulls
08-17-2009, 07:35 PM
Well first off you need a guy who is tall enough at PG to guard SG.

Lakersfan2483
08-17-2009, 09:03 PM
Going by this poll: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397920 over 75% of you on PSD believe that it is possible to build a championship team around the Allen Iverson of 2001.

So I want to determine if it's actually possible to win with AI. Person who comes up with the best team wins a prize.

Rules:
-AI has to unquestionably be the best player on his team, no Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, etc. teammates.

-65 million in cap space to spend not including AI's contract. Salaries can be found here:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

-Only 1 player is allowed to still be on there rookie scale contract.

-AI may be his 2001 self, but he's playing in todays NBA, meaning he'll need to compete against the Orlando/Cleveland/Boston teams of 09-10 to even get through the East.

K. Hinrich
A. Iverson
D. Granger
R. Wallace
E. Okafor

Bench: R. Bell, J. Posey, L. Powe, S. Blake, J. Pryzbilla, U. Haslem, J. Jones

DetroitRipCity
08-17-2009, 09:51 PM
Let me give this a shot

PG- Delonte West (4.2) / Lindsey Hunter (1.3)
SG- Allen Iverson (0) / OJ Mayo (4.1)
SF- Tayshaun Prince (10.3) / Bruce Bowen (2)
PF- Josh Smith (10.8) / Antonio McDyess (5.8)
C- Emeka Okafor (10.5) / Rahsheed Wallace (5.8)

BN - Jason Maxiell (5)
BN - Jamario Moon (2.7)

Total Salary - 62.5 Million

2_Trill
08-18-2009, 01:20 AM
that team would be in the playoffs for the next 3 yrs..

clehmun
08-18-2009, 01:55 AM
The first requirement would be a point guard of the variety that Shaun Livingston looked like he might become until he got injured. Tall and defensive-minded enough to legitimately guard the league's shooting guards, while still having the ball handling and playmaking ability to legitimately play the point, so AI could basically play the 2 on offense and the 1 on defense, which is really the only realistic way to minimize his defensive weaknesses (which of course is partially a function of his small size) and maximize his offensive strengths.

could NOT have word it any better.

but not to be a hater... with iverson being the clearcut best player, even if it's the AI of 2001, can not beat this year's lakers, boston, spurs team. they'll have a lot of trouble with cleveland, and orlando as well.

clehmun
08-18-2009, 02:00 AM
I thought of him abit, but his presence defeats the purpose of this thread, if they were on the same team Billups would be its best player.

i agree. and also the fact that if i had billups on my team, i'd make him the primary ball handler, which would not work with AI.

that is why it's so hard to build around AI.
you need great defensive players who can be effective without the ball, and also don't mind not having the ball.

Trouble87
08-18-2009, 02:44 AM
C- Andris Biedrins ($9,000,000)
PF- Brandon Bass ($4,000,000)
SF- Stephen Jackson ($7,650,000)
SG- AI (0)
PG- Rajon Rondo ($2,623,326)

6- Mickael Pietrus ($5,300,000)
7- DeShawn Stevenson ($3,886,928)
8- Delonte West ($4,254,250)
9- Leon Powe ($855,189)
10- Travis Outlaw ($4,000,000)
11- Ben Wallace ($1,306,455)
12- Chris Hunter ($736,420)

Ovratd1up
08-18-2009, 03:09 AM
K. Hinrich
A. Iverson
A. Nocioni
R. Wallace
T. Chandler
--
Del. West
C. Kaman
S. Battier

SteveNash
08-18-2009, 08:17 AM
How come you didnt make one?

Because I couldn't think of a good team and didn't really think it was possible. Though I have seen some pretty good teams.

It's a tough decision right now, do you want to do it like Philadelphia did and have him surrounded by good defenders, a strategy that would work 8 years ago but probably wouldn't work today. Or build an offense oriented team and hope that they would be able to share the ball and get a long defensively.

As Chronz said, good 2 way players are hard to find, and a lot of them would be considered to be better than AI.

rabzouz 96
08-18-2009, 09:03 AM
Because I couldn't think of a good team and didn't really think it was possible. Though I have seen some pretty good teams.

It's a tough decision right now, do you want to do it like Philadelphia did and have him surrounded by good defenders, a strategy that would work 8 years ago but probably wouldn't work today. Or build an offense oriented team and hope that they would be able to share the ball and get a long defensively.

As Chronz said, good 2 way players are hard to find, and a lot of them would be considered to be better than AI.

??? the 2001 ai was an mvp caliber player, we arent talking about todays AI, i know he wasnt that good of a defender but he was a supreme player nontheless, billups is not on the a-star list

SteveNash
08-18-2009, 03:09 PM
??? the 2001 ai was an mvp caliber player, we arent talking about todays AI, i know he wasnt that good of a defender but he was a supreme player nontheless, billups is not on the a-star list

I agree with Chronz on 2 way players being hard to find, disagree with Chronz on Billups. Perhaps I shouldn't have used unquestionably as there have been people who have indicated that Gasol was better than Kobe.

While I feel Billups is a very good and underrated player, had Billups and 01 AI both been on a team, it would have been AI being able to call the shots. And if one of them had to go, it would be Billups that would be packing his bags.

JordansBulls
08-21-2009, 01:04 PM
I agree with Chronz on 2 way players being hard to find, disagree with Chronz on Billups. Perhaps I shouldn't have used unquestionably as there have been people who have indicated that Gasol was better than Kobe.

While I feel Billups is a very good and underrated player, had Billups and 01 AI both been on a team, it would have been AI being able to call the shots. And if one of them had to go, it would be Billups that would be packing his bags.

I don't think their is any doubt about this.

JordansBulls
09-02-2009, 03:17 PM
Iverson on that 2005 Suns or 2007 Suns team would probably have won a title.