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Mile High Champ
08-09-2009, 01:51 AM
Well the top 10 at each position is now complete, time to end it with the final poll's. This year we will have a vote to see who are the 10 best players in the NBA are. The format is the exact same so please make your vote for who you feel are the best player in the league. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

NBA Player Rankings DONT FORGET TO VOTE!!

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Lebron James
3) Dwayne Wade
4) Chris Paul
5) Dwight Howard
6) Tim Duncan
7) Dirk Nowitzki
8)
9)
10)

D-Will4Prez
08-09-2009, 01:54 AM
Deron Williams

Mile High Champ
08-09-2009, 01:56 AM
Went with Brandon Roy here, I think he could easily go at this position.

theuuord
08-09-2009, 01:56 AM
Brandon Roy.

Well, he's actually #7. But whatever.

Mile High Champ
08-09-2009, 01:57 AM
Question for everyone, do you think if Yao was healthy for next year, he would be in the top 10??

D-Will4Prez
08-09-2009, 01:59 AM
^ Yes, I think so.

Mile High Champ
08-09-2009, 02:02 AM
^ Yes, I think so.

I think he could be ahead of Dirk right now for sure..

cmellofan15
08-09-2009, 02:03 AM
Melo.

prs
08-09-2009, 02:06 AM
I think you're crazy if you think Brandon Roy is better than KG.

cmellofan15
08-09-2009, 02:08 AM
I see 3 people who are better than KG on that list.

theuuord
08-09-2009, 02:12 AM
I think you're crazy if you think Brandon Roy is better than KG.

fortunately my self esteem is high enough not to worry about that.

MacFitz92
08-09-2009, 02:15 AM
Kg

MELO 15
08-09-2009, 02:37 AM
I think Melo is better than dirk cause he's a better defender and TD now in there careers. He'll end up top three next year in the MVP race. Give Melo his due respect people. We all know that he is the best all around offensive player in the game, that alone should make him top 7, but because his D is a little above avg, he should be top 5.

theuuord
08-09-2009, 02:44 AM
We all know that he is the best all around offensive player in the game

stop drinking.

MELO 15
08-09-2009, 04:04 AM
If you don't think that offensively , meaning "off the dribble, pull up jumper, mid range, out side, inside, post up face up" Melo is, than name me one who does all of that and scores all of those variety of ways effectively and better, I would think u can't

Lakerfrk
08-09-2009, 04:14 AM
If you don't think that offensively , meaning "off the dribble, pull up jumper, mid range, out side, inside, post up face up" Melo is, than name me one who does all of that and scores all of those variety of ways effectively and better, I would think u can't

...Kobe Bryant....

Don't get me wrong.. I LOVE Melo, and he is probably 2nd best at everything you just said.. behind Kobe...

I went with Melo here at 8... Sorry Brandon Roy, but I don't think you belong in the top 10 yet.. not this year.

Tom81
08-09-2009, 07:23 AM
Carmelo Anthony

todu82
08-09-2009, 08:16 AM
Carmelo Anthony

DCSportsIsPain
08-09-2009, 09:22 AM
Here is where players start to get seriously over-rated.

Granger and Durant are better scorers than Anthony.

Anthony is 32nd in the league in Efficiency at 19.8.

Anthony is 8th in Points Per Game but 87th in Field Goal Percentage.

Anthony is tied for 8th in the NBA in Points / Assists / Rebounds per game, with:
Antawn Jamison and Zach Randolph.

A case could be made that Anthony is the 8th best player in the league, but it's a damn weak case, especially when nobody is asking why Antawn Jamison and Zach Randolph aren't on this list.

jimbobjarree
08-09-2009, 09:42 AM
melo, then d will, then roy

blackjack_119
08-09-2009, 09:45 AM
Brandon Roy was a much better player than Carmelo Anthony this season. Here is why:

Lets start off with each players respective statistics:
B-Roy: 22.6PPG/4.7RPG/5.1APG/1.1SPG/0.3BPG/1.95TO/.480FG%/.377 3P%/.824FT%
Melo: 22.8PPG/6.8RPG/3.4APG/1.1SPG/0.4BPG/3.02TO/.443FG%/.371 3P%/.793FT%

Looking at the statistics, it would seem like you could make a compeling case for either player, but those stats do not take into account the differences in pace. Portland is virtually tied with Detroit for the slowest pace in the NBA while Denver plays a faster than average pace. The result is that Carmelo Anthony gets approximately 8 more offensive possessions each game than Roy. That is eight more opportunities to score; 16 more opportunities to rebound; 8 more opportunities to get assists; etc. When you adjust the players statistics to take into account the difference in pace, Roy is clearly the better player:
B-Roy: 25.2PPG/5.2RPG/5.6APG/1.2SPG/0.4BPG/2.15TO/.480FG%/.377 3P%/.824FT%
Melo: 22.8PPG/6.8RPG/3.4APG/1.1SPG/0.4BPG/3.02TO/.443FG%/.371 3P%/.793FT%

When you compare them with the adjusted pace, Carmelo Anthony isn't close to the player that Brandon Roy is. Now it makes sense why statistically Roy had the 7th best season in the NBA while Carmelo Anthony had the 33rd best season.

mikantsass
08-09-2009, 09:59 AM
Carmello no doubt. How did Dirk go at 7? The guy cant play defense!

MacFitz92
08-09-2009, 10:23 AM
Brandon Roy.

Well, he's actually #7. But whatever.

You're saying Brandon Roy is better than the guy who was 4th in PPG last season behind LJ, Kobe, and Wade. And the guy who won the MVP in 2007. Brandon Roy is young and the sky is the limit, but he has had one good year. Dirk takes the Mavs on his back so many times. Roy can't score like the German Assassain.

MacFitz92
08-09-2009, 10:29 AM
Carmello no doubt. How did Dirk go at 7? The guy cant play defense!

Yea, and how did he win the 2007 MVP and have 4th in PPG in '08-'09?

C'mon now whenever people say something bad about Dirk, its always "He can't play defense". That's really a misconception. He isn't a Dwight Howard, but his defense isn't bad.

Also he is unanimously the best offensive big in the league for this decade, and now. Not to mention he was 1st team all NBA last year.

MacFitz92
08-09-2009, 10:33 AM
Brandon Roy was a much better player than Carmelo Anthony this season. Here is why:

Lets start off with each players respective statistics:
B-Roy: 22.6PPG/4.7RPG/5.1APG/1.1SPG/0.3BPG/1.95TO/.480FG%/.377 3P%/.824FT%
Melo: 22.8PPG/6.8RPG/3.4APG/1.1SPG/0.4BPG/3.02TO/.443FG%/.371 3P%/.793FT%

Looking at the statistics, it would seem like you could make a compeling case for either player, but those stats do not take into account the differences in pace. Portland is virtually tied with Detroit for the slowest pace in the NBA while Denver plays a faster than average pace. The result is that Carmelo Anthony gets approximately 8 more offensive possessions each game than Roy. That is eight more opportunities to score; 16 more opportunities to rebound; 8 more opportunities to get assists; etc. When you adjust the players statistics to take into account the difference in pace, Roy is clearly the better player:
B-Roy: 25.2PPG/5.2RPG/5.6APG/1.2SPG/0.4BPG/2.15TO/.480FG%/.377 3P%/.824FT%
Melo: 22.8PPG/6.8RPG/3.4APG/1.1SPG/0.4BPG/3.02TO/.443FG%/.371 3P%/.793FT%

When you compare them with the adjusted pace, Carmelo Anthony isn't close to the player that Brandon Roy is. Now it makes sense why statistically Roy had the 7th best season in the NBA while Carmelo Anthony had the 33rd best season.

But the thing is, you can't adjust the stats for the same pace, It's irrelevant. And how could you even prove that Roy can play on the same pace that Melo' plays on?

BiG bAd BrUiNs
08-09-2009, 10:46 AM
I said KG, but it was for the #8 player so I didn't think that Carmelo would still be around.

blackjack_119
08-09-2009, 11:10 AM
But the thing is, you can't adjust the stats for the same pace, It's irrelevant. And how could you even prove that Roy can play on the same pace that Melo' plays on?

You CAN adjust stats for the same pace... it is fairly common. Secondly, it isn't the individual player's pace that is being adjusted for, it is the team's pace. I don't think it is difficult to "prove" that a player could play on a team that takes 8 more shots per game. As difficult as it may be to play one extra possession every six minutes, I have a feeling that Roy might be able to adjust without his game falling apart.:rolleyes:

theuuord
08-09-2009, 11:57 AM
You're saying Brandon Roy is better than the guy who was 4th in PPG last season behind LJ, Kobe, and Wade. And the guy who won the MVP in 2007. Brandon Roy is young and the sky is the limit, but he has had one good year. Dirk takes the Mavs on his back so many times. Roy can't score like the German Assassain.

Yes I am, yes he is, and yes he does.

theuuord
08-09-2009, 12:01 PM
But the thing is, you can't adjust the stats for the same pace, It's irrelevant. And how could you even prove that Roy can play on the same pace that Melo' plays on?

Um, what? How is pace irrelevant?

How about this. You and I will play 1-on-1, but I'll take 200 shots and you'll take 90.
I'll score more, and that means I'm better. That's fair, right? Because pace is irrelevant, after all.

The fact that people even still think you're not supposed to adjust for possessions per game - when all basketball is is a game of possessions - shows that the basketball fan world still has a loooong way to go.

marlinsfan24
08-09-2009, 12:04 PM
KG should have been #7

Mile High Champ
08-09-2009, 01:30 PM
Right now it really is a crap shoot, there are 4 or 5 guys maybe worthy of this spot, maybe more.

DCSportsIsPain
08-09-2009, 03:20 PM
Right now it really is a crap shoot, there are 4 or 5 guys maybe worthy of this spot, maybe more.

It's clear from the poll that most of the people voting don't see enough NBA games. While Anthony is being seriously over-rated, several players are being seriously under-rated. If the people voting were cutting the paychecks, this would be far less of a popularity contest.

Jays Claw
08-09-2009, 03:23 PM
Brandon Roy.

J_M_B
08-09-2009, 03:37 PM
I have to go with my boy Carmelo Anthony.

My Top 10
1.Kobe Bryant
2.LeBron James
3.Dwyane Wade
4.Dwight Howard
5.Chris Paul
6.Tim Duncan
7.Carmelo Anthony
8.Dirk Nowitzki
9.Brandon Roy
10.Deron Williams

Honorable mentions:Kevin Durant, Yao Ming, Kevin Garnett, Chris Bosh

zambo4president
08-09-2009, 03:42 PM
My boy Melo!

IversonIsKrazy
08-09-2009, 03:44 PM
How does Bosh have 10 votes???? lol.
Im still not going to vote for KG, kuz i noe 3 other players that have very good teams and their the #1 option, unlike KG.

B-Roy is still young, and hasnt bin able to push his team to the 2nd round.

For me it was between Deron and Melo. Melo had a pretty bad year, but his team was very good, so I went with Deron Williams.

daleja424
08-09-2009, 03:46 PM
Question for everyone, do you think if Yao was healthy for next year, he would be in the top 10??

no... even with yao healthy i have mello, roy, deron ahead of him

yanksknicksgmen
08-09-2009, 03:58 PM
melo

carter15
08-09-2009, 04:04 PM
Roy is the clear pick here....don't know if people that are voting actually watch basketball all year around.

SpeeMN
08-09-2009, 04:28 PM
Kevin Frinkin Garnett. He gets injured and people forget that he can do everything and is a proven winner. He will be back to form and be a top 5 player this season.

Diggy_2
08-09-2009, 04:36 PM
carmelo without an dout

Diggy_2
08-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Roy is the clear pick here....don't know if people that are voting actually watch basketball all year around.

im sure every basketball fan on here watch games all year round but the fact and the matter is that carmelo is just the best person on the list for number 8

Bruno
08-09-2009, 05:20 PM
At this point, Roy and Melo are equals. I like Roy better, I voted for him.

dsickich123
08-09-2009, 05:47 PM
next three in my list would be....ROY, DURANT, DERON WILLIAMS...

i dont know why durant is getting no love...and Melo is getting so much

Beno7500
08-09-2009, 05:53 PM
this gets tough

Beno7500
08-09-2009, 05:53 PM
Carmelo

D-Will4Prez
08-09-2009, 06:09 PM
Seriously? You guys vote CP3 in at number 4 and then at number 8 you're not even considering Deron Williams when they are pretty much clones of eachother?

daleja424
08-09-2009, 06:12 PM
Seriously? You guys vote CP3 in at number 4 and then at number 8 you're not even considering Deron Williams when they are pretty much clones of eachother?

so are the lopez brothers... :shrug:

...and the griffins...

AllDay28
08-09-2009, 06:25 PM
its a toss up between broy or carmelo. after those 2 its KG or Dwill

magichatnumber9
08-09-2009, 06:31 PM
I'm sorry but the first 5 list was cute, now these threads are starting to annoy me.

jim51990
08-09-2009, 06:46 PM
dwill is alot better then melo and kg
it should go
dwill 8
melo 9
roy 10

Vinny642
08-09-2009, 06:53 PM
I put DWill again its either him or Carmelo here.

MacFitz92
08-09-2009, 06:59 PM
Yes I am, yes he is, and yes he does.

Look, Dirk has accomplished things that Brandon Roy hasn't and most likely never will. He's in his prime, and if you truly think Brandon Roy is better than Dirk, than either you are a homer, or you don't know very much about basketball.

Dirk is, arguably, the best shooter in the league. Brandon Roy is good. But he isn't an elite player. Dirk has 4 1st team All-NBA, and 1 MVP. Brandon Roy has about a 50/50 chance to get one 1st team All-NBA, and about a .001% chance to get a MVP.

Stats?

------------------ MPG - PPG - FG% - FT% - RPG - APG
Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 37.7 - 25.9 - .479 - .890 - 8.4 - 2.4
Brandon Roy , POR 37.2 - 22.6 - .480 - .824 - 4.7 - 5.1

Not to mention Dirk's shot is impossible to block because he's 7 foot. He has a shot in which he brings it behind his head making it virtually impossible to block with the 7 foot height.

So when he's hot, you're screwed.

BkOriginalOne
08-09-2009, 07:08 PM
Melo is going to enter the elite status (Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Howard, Paul) this season.

LanceUpperCut
08-09-2009, 07:13 PM
I love Brandon Roy but wow does everyone overated guys in here. Lets see a couple seasons first I'm surprised people are'nt claiming D-Rose in the top ten already.

Gobstopper15
08-09-2009, 07:16 PM
I'm going with Melo for #8.

slaker619
08-09-2009, 07:35 PM
Durrant

carter15
08-09-2009, 07:37 PM
im sure every basketball fan on here watch games all year round but the fact and the matter is that carmelo is just the best person on the list for number 8

Brandon Roy : 22.6 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 5.1 APG, 48 FG%, 38 3PT%, 82 FT%, 2 TOPG

Carmelo Anthony : 22.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 3.4 APG, 44 FG%, 37 3PT%, 79 FT%, 3 TOPG

Don't really c how Melo is better...he averages .2 more points but shoots worse in every catagory. And consider the rebound and assist difference a wash between the 2. Roy is also the leader of his team which counts in my book.

Bluerapoileagle
08-09-2009, 07:41 PM
Brandon Roy, he's got hops.

JordansBulls
08-09-2009, 07:43 PM
Yao Ming
Joe Johnson
Steve Nash
Chris Bosh
Kevin Garnett
Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Carmelo Anthony
Kevin Durant
Paul Pierce
Chauncey Billups
Al Jefferson
Tony Parker
Danny Granger
Amare Stoudemire



How are those guys on the list but yet Pau Gasol or Derrick Rose are not?

JWO35
08-09-2009, 07:45 PM
Carmelo Anthony

tland22
08-09-2009, 07:53 PM
Gotta go with YAO MING. He is vastly overlooked.

tland22
08-09-2009, 07:55 PM
Here is where players start to get seriously over-rated.

Granger and Durant are better scorers than Anthony.

Anthony is 32nd in the league in Efficiency at 19.8.

Anthony is 8th in Points Per Game but 87th in Field Goal Percentage.

Anthony is tied for 8th in the NBA in Points / Assists / Rebounds per game, with:
Antawn Jamison and Zach Randolph.

A case could be made that Anthony is the 8th best player in the league, but it's a damn weak case, especially when nobody is asking why Antawn Jamison and Zach Randolph aren't on this list.

great post :clap:

tland22
08-09-2009, 07:56 PM
melo, then d will, then roy

YAO MING is better than ALL 3 of them. Dont kid yourself.

ManRam
08-09-2009, 08:09 PM
I voted KG. Yao and Melo round out my top 10.

Illuminati999
08-09-2009, 08:09 PM
If you don't think that offensively , meaning "off the dribble, pull up jumper, mid range, out side, inside, post up face up" Melo is, than name me one who does all of that and scores all of those variety of ways effectively and better, I would think u can't

Umm, Dirk Nowitzki... and he's a 7 footer at that. Way more versatile. Dirk could and has even play the SF.

Dirk Nowitzki
Career: 6628-14038 FG% .472 1080-2856 3PT% .378 4748-5447 FT% .872 RBND 8.6 STL .92 BLK 1.02 TO 1.93 AST 2.7 PPG 22.7

Carmelo Anthony
Career: 3864-8408 FG% .460 309-1007 3PT% .307 2731-3433 FT% .796 RBND 6.1 STL 1.13 BLK .45 TO 3.09 AST 3.1 PPG 24.2

Dirk is not just a more efficient offensive shooter in all 3 categories, he beats the shiz out of Melo in the percentages. It's sick.

In the categories Melo does win in, AST (.4 AST more), STL (.21 STL more) and PPG (1.5 PPG more) it's not even noticeable really. The fact Melo HAS .4 more assists than Dirk is dwarfed because he has over 1 turn-over more.

It's great to be a fan of a player, just make sure you pull your head out of your @$$ before you do it. Melo will NEVER be MVP.

Illuminati999
08-09-2009, 08:20 PM
I think you're crazy if you think Brandon Roy is better than KG.

Um, Brandon Roy IS better than KG. Who has a better career? Obviously Kevin Garnet, but this isn't who has had the best career. KG, to me, isn't even top 5 PFs anymore.

theuuord
08-09-2009, 08:20 PM
Look, Dirk has accomplished things that Brandon Roy hasn't and most likely never will.

Sure, Dirk's accomplished a lot. He's one of my favorite players. Clyde Drexler has accomplished a lot too. I'd still take Brandon Roy over him today.


He's in his prime, and if you truly think Brandon Roy is better than Dirk, than either you are a homer, or you don't know very much about basketball.

lol. If anything I like Dirk more than I like Roy. Unlike you though, I'm willing to face facts. (And, interestingly enough, not the homer in this discussion - ironic that you said that, considering you're a Mavs fan and I'm a Nets fan.)

and feel free to ask anyone I've debated with on this board whether or not I know something about basketball. (Except Kobe stans.)


Dirk is, arguably, the best shooter in the league.

No he's not. He's a great shooter - one of the best, and he was certainly the best for a couple of years - but he's not at that level anymore, and the last two seasons are a testament to that.


Brandon Roy is good.

Yes he is.


But he isn't an elite player.

Yes he is.


Dirk has 4 1st team All-NBA, and 1 MVP. Brandon Roy has about a 50/50 chance to get one 1st team All-NBA, and about a .001% chance to get a MVP.

What horrible ways to judge players, especially players that we're supposed to be taking currently. Shaq has eight first team All-NBA visits and an MVP, too. Would you take him over Roy today? Or how about Allen Iverson?

You can't use awards voted in by biased writers in an attempt to judge basketball players. It makes no sense.


Stats?

Without looking, I'm going to guess you completely mangle any realistic statistical analysis.


------------------ MPG - PPG - FG% - FT% - RPG - APG
Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 37.7 - 25.9 - .479 - .890 - 8.4 - 2.4
Brandon Roy , POR 37.2 - 22.6 - .480 - .824 - 4.7 - 5.1

Man, was I right. Way to pick five stats and give them no context.

Minutes per game is stupid to use to compare these two players because the Mavs play an average of five more possessions per game than the Blazers. The Blazers are, by far, the slowest paced team in basketball. Because of that, the per-minute stats are skewed - AND they still look even, regardless of your bungled interpretation.

Brandon Roy has a true shooting percentage (a catch-all shooting mark that accounts for three pointers and free throws) of .573. Dirk is .564. Brandon Roy has an eFG% (which is only on in-play shots, but still adjusts for threes) of .512. Dirk's is .498. Brandon Roy has a higher offensive rebound rate (which is astounding, considering their height and positional difference), a higher assist rate, and a higher steal rate than Dirk Nowitzki. Dirk has edges in defensive rebounding rate and block rate, with a slight edge in turnover rate (although not when compared to position - Dirk doesn't handle the ball nearly as much being a post player).

Dirk's offensive rating is 114, which means he produces roughly 114 points per 100 possessions for his team - an excellent number. One of the best in the league. Brandon Roy produces 123 points per 100 possessions. That's fourth in the league.

Brandon Roy is 25 years old and just entering his prime. Dirk Nowitzki is 31 years old and just leaving it. He's a future Hall of Famer and he's definitely got some great seasons left in him. Just don't expect them to be as good as Brandon Roy's.

MackSnackWrap
08-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Boshhh

Blue Magic
08-09-2009, 10:22 PM
Brandon Roy : 22.6 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 5.1 APG, 48 FG%, 38 3PT%, 82 FT%, 2 TOPG

Carmelo Anthony : 22.8 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 3.4 APG, 44 FG%, 37 3PT%, 79 FT%, 3 TOPG

Don't really c how Melo is better...he averages .2 more points but shoots worse in every catagory. And consider the rebound and assist difference a wash between the 2. Roy is also the leader of his team which counts in my book.

This was down year for Melo because he was struggling with elbow issues all season. His perimeter shooting improved last season, but his interior %'s were unusually low for his standards(which I think certainly could be attributed the elbow issue somewhat bothering him).

Assuming he comes back healthy and has a full sumer off(no olympics), I dont see any reason why he cant improve those interior %'s to it's prior form, while also somewhat maintaining his perimeter efficiency. Roy took a step up last season, but he's still a new kid on the block in terms of playing at this level. I have a hard time putting him ahead of Carmelo or DWill who have a more consistent resume of team success to go along with producing at this level for a longer period of time. Maybe if Roy can put together another great season I will start looking @ him over these two guys, but right now, I'm not gonna do it.

LA_Raiders
08-09-2009, 10:38 PM
voted for Gasol, but Melo sounds about right...

LA_Raiders
08-09-2009, 10:40 PM
irk 7???? No way...

blazerman
08-09-2009, 11:00 PM
Brandon Roy.

Well, he's actually #7. But whatever.

I agree

jimbobjarree
08-09-2009, 11:01 PM
YAO MING is better than ALL 3 of them. Dont kid yourself.

Yao Ming is over

JMKnick33
08-09-2009, 11:08 PM
OMG Carmelo is actually killing this poll?!!! Can somebody please tell me what he can do besides score?! He should be rebounding better, can't pass, and can't lead. I really wonder how far they would've gone in the playoffs if Chauncey wasn't traded to them? HMM??? Exactly. Melo is great, an offensive superstar, but that's all he's got.

Went with Brandon Roy on this one. He lead his Blazers to the playoffs. He's a great leader. Plays much better defense than Carmelo. Makes his teammates better. AND tougher to guard than anybody else including Carmelo, just ask Ron Artest lol. But seriously, Roy is a much better overall player. I'm really surprised at the results, I really am. I thought this site had more intelligent posters..

MELO 15
08-09-2009, 11:15 PM
i dont know why durant is getting no love...and Melo is getting so much[/QUOTE]

First off look at the head 2 head match ups, Melo has edged durant in all categories. Lets look at w's, Melo edges him. buzzer beater, Melo edges him, defense Melo edges him, and don't say ppg a game, Durant had no one, and he was the focal point of the offense. Melo didn't need to be the offense this year, he actually deffered to his team. Melo can beat u virtually any where on the court, can u say that about durant much less any one else? no. sure durant can shoot the ball, but what about in the post? he's 2 small, or what about off the dribble, who's the better bal handler? Melo. So stop this madnes of comparing or even stating that durant is better. Its insane I tell u. Put Melo on the thunder and he avg's 35 easy, and would probably be a threat to break kobe's 81, with abetter chance to make the playoffs, check the track record, since entering the league he has made it to the playoffs, Melo's a winner, and thats the bottom l

charlsdq7
08-09-2009, 11:16 PM
Garnett is way better then Nowitzki

MELO 15
08-09-2009, 11:49 PM
Dirk Nowitzki
Career: 6628-14038 FG% .472 1080-2856 3PT% .378 4748-5447 FT% .872 RBND 8.6 STL .92 BLK 1.02 TO 1.93 AST 2.7 PPG 22.7

Carmelo Anthony


Dirk is not just a more efficient offensive shooter in all 3 categories, he beats the shiz out of Melo in the percentages. It's sick.

In the categories Melo does win in, AST (.4 AST more), STL (.21 STL more) and PPG (1.5 PPG more) it's not even noticeable really. off the dribble right? riggggggght. and what about defensively? riggggggght. And let me get this straight, a guy who admits chris andersen defends him very well, to a guy who says not one guy in the nba can guard him, tells me alot about how a player offensivlely feels about there game, basketball isn't just about #'s people. Watcing the game has a lot to do with it as well. And I saw Melo and the nuggets beat dirk and the mav's.

Blue Magic
08-10-2009, 01:45 AM
Plays much better defense than Carmelo.

Since when?


Roy is a much better overall player.

No he's not. These guys are all extremely close. To say one is MUCH better than the next is foolish.


I'm really surprised at the results, I really am. I thought this site had more intelligent posters..

You shouldn't be. Carmelo has earned his keep. He has been the go-to-guy for an ECFs team. He has made the playoffs 6 years in a row? What has Roy done for me lately?? Sure, he's a great player, but let me see him do this for 1, 2, 3 more yrs and then maybe we can pencil here. Melo has earned his keep over Roy. Fact.

1WorthyLakerFan
08-10-2009, 01:51 AM
Deron Williams

I was between Daron or Melo. I went with Melo, but I think Deron is pretty close. If it wasn't for the injuries, I think he could easy have beaten Melo...maybe even been up there with Chris Paul

Lakersfan2483
08-10-2009, 03:51 AM
Kevin Garnett

Chronz
08-10-2009, 04:18 AM
Why are Yao or KG not winning this? How does Melo in any way impact the game more than Yao?

Chronz
08-10-2009, 04:25 AM
Since when?
No he's not. These guys are all extremely close. To say one is MUCH better than the next is foolish.
You shouldn't be. Carmelo has earned his keep. He has been the go-to-guy for an ECFs team. He has made the playoffs 6 years in a row? What has Roy done for me lately?? Sure, he's a great player, but let me see him do this for 1, 2, 3 more yrs and then maybe we can pencil here. Melo has earned his keep over Roy. Fact.

Roy is better, hes been better for awhile. Being a go to guy for an ECF team isnt impressive, its something even Antoine Walker or Ray Allen could claim, Reggie Miller. The way he got there was damn impressive, but Roys performance in the loss to Houston was more impressive. Both Roy and Yao were better players this year, you shouldnt get rewarded for fate dictating an advantageous playoff opponents. If the Nuggets wouldve ran into the Rockets it wouldve ended in a similar fashion, Yao the victor only I seriously doubt Melo looks as good as he did in the early Laker rounds, against an injured Howard, and a deflated Hornets compared.

Roy tore apart a Houston defense that absolutely focused on him, Ron Artest wasnt too far off from calling Kobe a downgrade defensively. Roy was that good, certainly looked better than Kobe did on a few games. What I saw in Roy this postseason is enough to confirm to me he is a top 8 player.