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xReTro Star 9
08-07-2009, 12:23 AM
Alright, forget about the Nuggets in this thread...

Do you guys think if J.R. Smith stayed with the Hornets or the Bulls, could he be a very successful player like a superstar caliber player...not a sixth man?


July 14, 2006: Traded by New Orleans along with P. J. Brown to the Chicago Bulls for Tyson Chandler

July 20, 2006: Traded by Chicago to the Denver Nuggets for Howard Eisley and two future second-round draft picks.

Let's check up the line-up with both teams on this season...

Hornets
PG: Chris Paul
SG: J.R. Smith
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: David West
C: Emeka Okafor

Bulls
PG: Derrick Rose
SG: J.R. Smith
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C: Joakim Noah

what do you guys think?

MilwaukeeBAller
08-07-2009, 12:25 AM
Howard Eisley? lol

still1ballin
08-07-2009, 12:29 AM
Olden Polyenice

MajorFloridaFan
08-07-2009, 12:31 AM
he would still be a head case

B.JenningsMVP
08-07-2009, 12:42 AM
Great poll..

Afridi786
08-07-2009, 12:45 AM
There's a reason he was traded from the bulls within a week he was acquired. He is and always will be a head case, and he is nothing more than a poor mans Gordon with better hops.

BULLSDROSE1
08-07-2009, 12:48 AM
There's a reason he was traded from the bulls within a week he was acquired. He is and always will be a head case, and he is nothing more than a poor mans Gordon with better hops.

Agree

Draco
08-07-2009, 12:57 AM
Ringling Bros brings its circus act to the United Center every November.. no need to have JR for an entire season.

loufor2
08-07-2009, 01:06 AM
BEST POLE of all time!

B.JenningsMVP
08-07-2009, 01:14 AM
BEST POLE of all time!

You are the greatest speller of all time!..

xReTro Star 9
08-07-2009, 01:21 AM
BEST POLE of all time!

yeah i know its the best pole* of all time man...thanks

asmarks18
08-07-2009, 01:22 AM
You are the greatest speller of all time!..


:laugh:


Smith would still be the same type of player he is now. But if he was still on the Hornets I would fear New Orleans.

NYKnickFanatic
08-07-2009, 01:25 AM
Great poll..

:laugh::laugh2::laugh:

NYKnickFanatic
08-07-2009, 01:26 AM
I voted YES, why not.

still1ballin
08-07-2009, 01:33 AM
You are the greatest speller of all time!..

loooooool

BigEric
08-07-2009, 01:44 AM
LMAO! This poll is freaking hilarious.

cmellofan15
08-07-2009, 01:47 AM
Well I guess can.

"What happened if the Original Poster knew Stuff? Post a Picture"

zambo4president
08-07-2009, 01:55 AM
Bulls could really use him off the bench as a 6th.

Statik1
08-07-2009, 02:04 AM
You seem to have missed adding the option for C. "Lock this dumb thread!" to this poll

Diggy_2
08-07-2009, 02:20 AM
killer pole i mean its so amazing

Trouble87
08-07-2009, 03:34 AM
on the Hornets he couldve helped Paul tremendously and I'm sure Paul wouldve elevated Smith's game.

He would be on his way to being a all-star

Ni55anpat
08-07-2009, 03:56 AM
J.R would make no impact on those teams

thephoenixson28
08-07-2009, 03:59 AM
Without chandler they would've never had okeafor.

xxxplicit69
08-07-2009, 04:07 AM
Alright, forget about the Nuggets in this thread...

Do you guys think if J.R. Smith stayed with the Hornets or the Bulls, could he be a very successful player like a superstar caliber player...not a sixth man?



Let's check up the line-up with both teams on this season...

Hornets
PG: Chris Paul
SG: J.R. Smith
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: David West
C: Emeka Okafor

Bulls
PG: Derrick Rose
SG: J.R. Smith
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C: Joakim Noah

what do you guys think?

I thought it was dumb for the bulls to trade j.r. smith for howard isley and then cut him. dumb. having smith would have made it easier for us to not have gordon, infact we could have traded gordon for a good big man. but thats askin too much from our organization. :bang:

playa6816
08-07-2009, 05:42 AM
I thought it was dumb for the bulls to trade j.r. smith for howard isley and then cut him. dumb. having smith would have made it easier for us to not have gordon, infact we could have traded gordon for a good big man. but thats askin too much from our organization. :bang:

The Bulls management have done many many many dumb things and getting rid of Smith for practically nothing is just one of them. Ive said it before and ill say it again this organization is stuck on stupid. Sad thing is i dont think thats gonna change anytime soon.

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 06:38 AM
J.R. is "just a 6th man" in the same respect than Manu is "just a 6th man" - in name only. What the hell do you think, that Dahntay Jones is actually better than him? Laughable.

Yeah, he's got issues. And yeah, I think they translate back onto the court at times in terms of a lack of focus and an inconsistent work ethic. But he's gotten a lot better with that stuff.

I think he'll prove by and by that Ben Gordon is actually a poor man's J.R. Smith - if he gets his head screwed on straight. He has all the tools to be the far superior player.

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 06:42 AM
And I'm voting no in the poll, even though I'm not really sure what it means, just as a rejection of the overall concept that he'd have done much better elsewhere. I think the Nuggets organization has done a pretty commendable job of finding the right balance between keeping him on a short enough leash that he doesn't undermine his own development and giving him enough leeway to grow. He is pretty dumb, and he is the last person who knows what's best for himself (it seems), and I very much doubt that any coaching staff/team organization in the league could have handled him much better or gotten much more out of him. Now I just hope Chauncey will kick his *** a little bit for his recent acting up, and slap him around into the realization that he has to take things (including basketball and life) a little more seriously from here on out.

danidin
08-07-2009, 07:10 AM
with J.R Smith there is no MEKA!

J-Relo
08-07-2009, 07:26 AM
he is only 23 year old

toovey107
08-07-2009, 07:31 AM
he would still be a criminal

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 07:37 AM
he would still be a criminal

Oh, the drama.

magichatnumber9
08-07-2009, 08:12 AM
That poll makes no sense what so ever

cowboyz180
08-07-2009, 10:44 AM
he would have really helped both teams.

Brooklyn Mets
08-07-2009, 10:59 AM
he would prob be about the same.. maybe a little better because he would get more touches..

prs
08-07-2009, 11:15 AM
JR Smith definitely made this poll

arkanian215
08-07-2009, 11:16 AM
umm bulls wouldnt have derrick rose then... they probably wouldve been a playoff team and not gotten that bs lottery pick.

jsumadchat
08-07-2009, 11:17 AM
worst...thread...ever

arkanian215
08-07-2009, 11:17 AM
these polls are lame. too much hindsight. who knows how much jr couldve helped or really screwed up those teams. those teams might've not ended up developing their players the same with jr there and not drafted the same players that they did. garbage thread.

McPeak92
08-07-2009, 11:26 AM
I'm not really sure that's a yes or no question

arkanian215
08-07-2009, 11:30 AM
lol poll FAIL.

asadf
08-07-2009, 11:34 AM
this is stupid.. can you at least ask a yes or no question? See, that wasnt so hard!

zo#33
08-07-2009, 11:35 AM
I voted no

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-07-2009, 11:47 AM
There's a reason he was traded from the bulls within a week he was acquired. He is and always will be a head case, and he is nothing more than a poor mans Gordon with better hops.

a poor mans gordon?!!??!

JR Will give BG tha bang outz!!!!

u saw when JR lit up the Chi for 43 points??? in like 25 mins.... poor mans BG u must be trippin!

JR shoulda won 6th man last year and he proved that in tha playoffs against the 6th man JT.

td0tsfinest
08-07-2009, 11:49 AM
i voted yes :s maybe i should've voted no

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-07-2009, 11:53 AM
ahahahah that guy said "he'd still be a criminal"

SaimoNETS
08-07-2009, 12:00 PM
theyd win a ring :)

OT Thriller
08-07-2009, 01:05 PM
This thread confuses me. Whats with the Howard Eisley and Tyson Chandler trades? Oh and I voted no. What option "no" answers I have no idea. Fail.

The ChILL
08-07-2009, 01:28 PM
J.R. Smith is an idiot. I think he had a decent season due to Chauncey bringing some stability to Denver. He would have never worked out in Chicago.

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 01:34 PM
J.R. Smith is an idiot. I think he had a decent season due to Chauncey bringing some stability to Denver. He would have never worked out in Chicago.

Did you happen to notice the season before last? Chauncey helps, no doubt, but J.R. was well on his way before he hit town.

Check his 2007-08 (spring) (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2444&year=2008) and 2006-07 (fall -pre-AI) (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?playerId=2444&year=2007) game logs.

TheKing23
08-07-2009, 01:37 PM
I think if J.R Smith had stayed with the Bulls or N.O he would've been yes...

Seriously, great poll.

Draco
08-07-2009, 01:42 PM
I think he'll prove by and by that Ben Gordon is actually a poor man's J.R. Smith - if he gets his head screwed on straight. He has all the tools to be the far superior player.

And Eddy Curry has all the tools to be one of the best Centers in the league.. or so that's been the story for that chucklehead much of his career. While BG7 was a professional from the time he was a rookie; earning ROY in 2004.. Smith at the age of 24 still hasn't figured out how to drive a car safely.

tland22
08-07-2009, 01:45 PM
I dislike JR Smith to the MAX. Screw him. And his life. He will always be just an uncivilized selfish whining baby

BkOriginalOne
08-07-2009, 01:48 PM
He would average 22 points for the Hornets and about 20 with the bulls.
But JR and Gordon playing together... can you trust anyone at the 2?

THiiRTYONE
08-07-2009, 01:50 PM
LMFAO how do i vote yes or no to a question that isnt asking for a yes or no. AHAHA

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 01:53 PM
And Eddy Curry has all the tools to be one of the best Centers in the league.. or so that's been the story for that chucklehead much of his career. While BG7 was a professional from the time he was a rookie; earning ROY in 2004.. Smith at the age of 24 still hasn't figured out how to drive a car safely.

I never said he was a good driver. I said he has the potential to be far better than Gordon if he gets his head screwed on straight. Thanks for ignoring that part, though. And don't go projecting your jaded Curry-isms on us Nuggets fans. We're not ready to dump J.R. by the curb quite yet. He suffers from stupidity, but there's hope for him yet. :cool:

But actually, if you compare BG and JR's (both 5 year) careers (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=gordobe01&y1=2009&p2=smithjr01&y2=2009), they're putting up very similar numbers in terms of efficiency, per minutes, etc. Ben's are slightly better overall, but I think J.R.'s lows have been lower and highs have been higher. He's had a more turbulent career (a problem of his own making, granted) which has been reflected by less consistency on the court. Even so, in time I do believe he will prove to have what it takes to emerge as the clearly superior player. But for now that's kind of a moot point, since only time will tell.

loufor2
08-07-2009, 01:56 PM
You are the greatest speller of all time!..

Yeah, that's honestly hilarious... HAHA....

xReTro Star 9
08-07-2009, 02:06 PM
Wow, this thread is still up...and, theres a lot of j.r. smith haters out there

KB24PG16
08-07-2009, 02:33 PM
nice poll

KB24PG16
08-07-2009, 02:34 PM
people actually voted on the poll :laugh:

JDizzle
08-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Alright, forget about the Nuggets in this thread...

Do you guys think if J.R. Smith stayed with the Hornets or the Bulls, could he be a very successful player like a superstar caliber player...not a sixth man?



Let's check up the line-up with both teams on this season...

Hornets
PG: Chris Paul
SG: J.R. Smith
SF: Peja Stojakovic
PF: David West
C: Emeka Okafor

Bulls
PG: Derrick Rose
SG: J.R. Smith
SF: Luol Deng
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C: Joakim Noah

what do you guys think?




you cant say that we would have emeka okafor now cause tyson chandler was part of that deal and if we keep smith we never get tyson for emeka... i liked jr smith when he was in new orleans but he does have issues... it will all work out for my hornets tho we got marcus throton now he will be doing damage.

ManRam
08-07-2009, 04:53 PM
Epic thread.

Cubs Win
08-07-2009, 04:55 PM
Definitely Yes. I see no argument whatsoever for No! :laugh:

BHF
08-07-2009, 05:20 PM
Epic Fail

TheMicrowave
08-07-2009, 05:26 PM
He is not a Superstar right now, why would he be won on a different team?

He is great 6th with a immense amount of talent and offensive abilities. He can shoot the three ball with the best. He is still young. JR could start on most teams in the league. Right now, it looks good for the Bulls and Hornets to have kept him. At the time, it was a good trade for those teams. Ben Gordon gave them great years and Chandler did well in NO.

Draco
08-07-2009, 05:38 PM
I never said he was a good driver. I said he has the potential to be far better than Gordon if he gets his head screwed on straight. Thanks for ignoring that part, though. And don't go projecting your jaded Curry-isms on us Nuggets fans. We're not ready to dump J.R. by the curb quite yet. He suffers from stupidity, but there's hope for him yet. :cool:

But actually, if you compare BG and JR's (both 5 year) careers (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=gordobe01&y1=2009&p2=smithjr01&y2=2009), they're putting up very similar numbers in terms of efficiency, per minutes, etc. Ben's are slightly better overall, but I think J.R.'s lows have been lower and highs have been higher. He's had a more turbulent career (a problem of his own making, granted) which has been reflected by less consistency on the court. Even so, in time I do believe he will prove to have what it takes to emerge as the clearly superior player. But for now that's kind of a moot point, since only time will tell.

Well, they might be statistically similar in terms of per 36 minute stats but the fact is that Gordon's been the more reliable player. He's on the court more often than JR Smith. So there's hope for JR to get his head on straight but he continues to demonstrate bad judgement. And to you, that only means he's a bad driver? To me it means he'll likely never get his head on straight.

ctitus45
08-07-2009, 06:00 PM
he'd still be a Blood, livin the gang life...doin JR Smith things.

Aside, he is still a decent talent and he has a good role in Denver. I don't think we are talking about his career in terms of success or stats if he is in NO or Chitown...I think we are talkin about how he should have went to college...all the usual BS.

I'm not a JR Smith fan by any means but the kid can play and he is in a great situation in Denver. He really made strides once Billups came in. Iverson was too much of a negative influence on the young kid.

This Poll is dumb. "What If?" threads should be banned.

What if the Bucks didn't trade Tractor Traylor for Dirk?

What if the Blazers took Jordan?

Who cares...these players are what they are and their careers speak for themselves. No sense in looking in the past and wonder what could happen.


What if Jim Paxson knew how to draft players?

ackar
08-07-2009, 06:14 PM
huh

Draco
08-07-2009, 06:42 PM
JR Smith is an Eddie Griffin in the making.. he would have already been there if he had killed himself instead of his friend. How's that for jaded. ;)

IversonIsKrazy
08-07-2009, 10:21 PM
IMO, he wouldnt be good in Chicago, but NO he might've exceled well.

uncleben989
08-08-2009, 11:57 PM
JR Smith is an Eddie Griffin in the making.. he would have already been there if he had killed himself instead of his friend. How's that for jaded. ;)

not cool dude

Vinny642
08-09-2009, 12:02 AM
Ima vote yea, not sure but w/e.
We'd be good with him, but he is a headcase still

Draco
08-09-2009, 12:10 AM
not cool dude

Maybe I was out of line. Did I disrespect the guy known for DWM (driving while masturbating) or the guy with 27 points and 5 suspensions on his driving record?

Beno7500
08-09-2009, 12:20 AM
What if