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Boston Faithful
08-06-2009, 02:31 PM
Atlanta without Joe Johnson - 35 win team
Boston without Garnett - 45-50 win team as evidenced by the playoffs
Charlotte without Gerald Wallace - 30 win team
Chicago - without Derrick Rose - 30 win team
Cleveland - without LeBron James - auto lotto - 25-30 win team
Dallas - without Dirk - 40 win team
Denver - without Carmelo - 40 win team
Detroit - without RIP - 35 win team
Golden State - without Stephen Jackson - 30 win team
Houston - without Yao (like this year) - 25-30 wins
Indiana - without Granger - 25-30 wins
Lakers - without Kobe - 45 wins (they still have a good roster)
Clippers - without Baron Davis - 35 wins (biggest non difference)
Memphis - without OJ Mayo - 25 wins
Miami - without Wade - 15-20 wins (unless Beasley blossomed)
Milwaukee - without Redd - 25 wins
Minnesota - without Al Jefferson - 25 wins
New Jersey - without Harris - 15-20 wins
New Orleans - without Paul - 20-25 wins
New York - without ??? - same ole ****
Oklahoma City - without Durant - 20 wins
Orlando - without Howard - 45 wins (they still also would be good)
Philadelphia - without Iggy - 30 wins
Phoenix - without Nash - 25 wins
Portland - without Roy - 30-35 wins
Sacramento - without Kevin Martin - 15-20 wins (they suck anyway)
San Antonio - without Tim Duncan - 40 wins
Toronto - without CB4 - 25 wins
Utah - without Deron Williams - 30-35 wins
Washington - without Gilbert Arenas - 30 wins

The best teams are still the best teams except for Cleveland as I think if all these players left the NBA, Boston, LA, Orlando and San Antonio would still be on top with strong contenders in Dallas and Denver.

clutchski
08-06-2009, 02:35 PM
Interesting thread but I gotta say, the Raps at times played a hell of a lot better when CB4 was injured in past seasons.

ManRam
08-06-2009, 02:45 PM
The biggest drop off obviously would be LeBron. No one player means half as much to his team has he does. Wade is a close second.

Orlando and LA would both be alright without Kobe and Dwight. Not a top 5 team, but I think LA would still be top 10...Orlando would be a definite playoff team.

Draco
08-06-2009, 02:48 PM
Boston without Garnett - 45-50 win team as evidenced by the playoffs

he played 57 games last season... i'm not sure the playoffs make much of a difference: squeeking past the first round against another injured team?

DCSportsIsPain
08-06-2009, 02:50 PM
Arenas isn't Washington's best player. He is Washington's highest paid player.
If the Wizards lose Gilbert's 13PPG and get to keep Jamison's 22 and Butler's 20 and Foye's 16 and Miller's 10 they will be better than every other team who lost their "best player."

yungballah15
08-06-2009, 02:53 PM
i dont agree with the raps, bargnani is good enough to step in and play at the 4, they have turks at the 3, derozan would probaly devolp quicker, they have jose and the same bench. this season raptors dont have to relay on bosh that much, they have other scoring options. and that would probaly make bargnani into a 20 point scorer, and hedos points raising.

mitch91
08-06-2009, 03:03 PM
i think the hornets would fall even further than 20-25 wins....thats how important i think cp3 is to them. west plays his best with cp3, im not saying hes only a product of cp3s play but say cp3 went down....then he would have to average more than he does now....and it will be even tougher without the easy looks somebody like cp3 gets you.

i aslo agree that the cavs will fall way way off.

MiamiHeat
08-06-2009, 03:08 PM
If you take Wade away from Miami....

:faint:

Bashna
08-06-2009, 05:45 PM
Yeah some of the biggest i agree with are Cp3, Lebron, Nash, Wade, (I disagree with Chicago, they wouldn't win 30games without rose), Clippers won't win 35games this season even with Baron, and i think the Thunder would suffer a little more without durant simply because Westbrook being the center of scoring (Unless harden carries over his ASU style of scoring into the NBA) isn't a great thing for the thunder.

what54!?
08-06-2009, 05:56 PM
how the hell would the clippers be so high? They suck with and without baron davis

Bashna
08-06-2009, 05:57 PM
how the hell would the clippers be so high? They suck with and without baron davis

According to this guy, apparently Baron davis is the cancer holding the Clippers down...That or Blake griffin is a god amongst men.

madiaz3
08-06-2009, 05:59 PM
It's true. No one knows who the Knicks best player is.

azkarraga
08-06-2009, 06:03 PM
if that logic is right -the number of wins related to each star- it would be easy to find out the cost of a victory for every team and the nba as a whole. and how overpaid or underpaid their star is

just dont feel like making the calculations, lol

mikantsass
08-06-2009, 06:24 PM
It's true. No one knows who the Knicks best player is.

Do they have one? Last year it was probably Harrington or Lee

nbaguy123
08-06-2009, 06:30 PM
lol, knicks dont have anybody :laugh:

InfamousTHC
08-06-2009, 06:34 PM
[QUOTE=Houston - without Yao (like this year) - 25-30 wins
QUOTE]
You don't know ***** about the Rockets. 25-30wins? Come on get real. They will win 40 to 45 games if T-Mac doesn't come back his old self. If he somehow the player I am use to seeing they could make 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs.

tland22
08-06-2009, 06:41 PM
Wade and Chris Paul have the biggest drop-off in wins. In my opinion, of course

GodsSon
08-06-2009, 06:57 PM
i can guarantee the Raps would do better then 25 wins...a line-up of Bargs, Calderon and Turk plus our improved bench could still be a low seeded eastern conference playoff team

jazzfan4life
08-06-2009, 07:03 PM
ya the knicks suck

madiaz3
08-06-2009, 07:07 PM
ya the knicks suck

They'd be better than the Jazz without Deron lol. Though they usually beat the Jazz with him anyway for whatever reason.

B_Rad01
08-06-2009, 07:18 PM
They'd be better than the Jazz without Deron lol. Though they usually beat the Jazz with him anyway for whatever reason.

the knicks would still suck.
they dont have that go to player every team needs

Hellcrooner
08-06-2009, 08:55 PM
if all teams lost the best player at the same time it woudl still be granted a lakers vs spurs and boston vs magic in the nba conference finals.

the teams that would suffer more would be probably Cavs and Thunder

FlakeyFool
08-06-2009, 08:57 PM
Stupid thread

your basically saying that the timberwolves and raps are the same, so without jefferson and without bosh, they both only get about 25 wins? Even though toronto has bargnani,turk,calderon,jack,derozan and others to make this team deep.

Hellcrooner
08-06-2009, 08:58 PM
and by the way losing kobe does not take Lakers down from 60 wins to 45.

i say 50.

If Pau could lead Jason williams, battier and Stro swift to 50 i dont know how cold he not lead Artest , odom and bynum to that record?

BUCSFORLIFE123
08-06-2009, 08:59 PM
youre saying the lakers without kobe atll would get 45 wins? are u kidding?
they would be pretty bad honestly lol

celtics would be pretyt good still, they were goood w/o garnett, but not great
cavs would be last palce for sure lol
magics wit gortat would be pretty good
spurs did fairly well w/o duncan when hewas injured tony parker can carry that team

best team would probably be the celtics w/o garnett

BUCSFORLIFE123
08-06-2009, 09:01 PM
Wade and Chris Paul have the biggest drop-off in wins. In my opinion, of course

chris paul for sure would be the biggesrt dropoff . win around 5 games haha

BULLSDROSE1
08-06-2009, 09:05 PM
The CAVS will suck with out Lebron

blazerman
08-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Atlanta without Joe Johnson - 35 win team
Boston without Garnett - 45-50 win team as evidenced by the playoffs
Charlotte without Gerald Wallace - 30 win team
Chicago - without Derrick Rose - 30 win team
Cleveland - without LeBron James - auto lotto - 25-30 win team
Dallas - without Dirk - 40 win team
Denver - without Carmelo - 40 win team
Detroit - without RIP - 35 win team
Golden State - without Stephen Jackson - 30 win team
Houston - without Yao (like this year) - 25-30 wins
Indiana - without Granger - 25-30 wins
Lakers - without Kobe - 45 wins (they still have a good roster)
Clippers - without Baron Davis - 35 wins (biggest non difference)
Memphis - without OJ Mayo - 25 wins
Miami - without Wade - 15-20 wins (unless Beasley blossomed)
Milwaukee - without Redd - 25 wins
Minnesota - without Al Jefferson - 25 wins
New Jersey - without Harris - 15-20 wins
New Orleans - without Paul - 20-25 wins
New York - without ??? - same ole ****
Oklahoma City - without Durant - 20 wins
Orlando - without Howard - 45 wins (they still also would be good)
Philadelphia - without Iggy - 30 wins
Phoenix - without Nash - 25 wins
Portland - without Roy - 30-35 wins
Sacramento - without Kevin Martin - 15-20 wins (they suck anyway)
San Antonio - without Tim Duncan - 40 wins
Toronto - without CB4 - 25 wins
Utah - without Deron Williams - 30-35 wins
Washington - without Gilbert Arenas - 30 wins

The best teams are still the best teams except for Cleveland as I think if all these players left the NBA, Boston, LA, Orlando and San Antonio would still be on top with strong contenders in Dallas and Denver.


You sure are a kiss *** to the supposed top 5 teams besides Cleveland.

Do you really think that charlotte and Chicago are as good as Portland minus their stars. It's pretty funny how you can say the Blazers would fall off that far and other teams wouldnt, especially considering the Blazers has the best replacement out of anybody at the same position (Rudy Fernandez)and Andre Miller and Webster would be there too and bigger minutes for Bayless.

Are you really gonna try and sell anyone other than Maverick fans that they'd be that good still without Dirk. Your list sucks!!

swens1993
08-06-2009, 09:38 PM
The Bucks played the season without Redd and Bogut and still managed to get 34 wins. I think some of these teams could do without their stars