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Raps08-09 Champ
08-05-2009, 02:34 PM
A lot say that you need a franchise player and a 2nd option to win a title. I want to know if a team can win a title with having 2 players considered as 2nd options.

If I were to team up the following players(with having an above average bench and starting lineup), can they lead their team to a title?

Examples:

Amare and Bosh
Amare and Parker
Lewis and Bosh
Gasol and Allen
Redd and Gasol
Parker and Redd


If yes, why?

If no, why?

IBleedPurple
08-05-2009, 02:40 PM
Give an example, I'm not sure what team fits this description

Raps08-09 Champ
08-05-2009, 02:44 PM
Give an example, I'm not sure what team fits this description

I was giving a hypothetical question but what if I team someone up like Bosh and Amare with a above average bench.

Thatruth32
08-05-2009, 02:56 PM
i think it can be done... dont have any examples tho

tland22
08-05-2009, 03:08 PM
amare and bosh are only ones to win a title.

Bosh and Hedo though...nahhhhhhhh i dont think that is possible. Hard to win a title if Bosh is the best player on your team.....UNLESS there is another player equally as good as Bosh..like, someone right there with him. Like Amare.

But again, you need a bench, you need role player etc... it takes alot to win a title.

Hellcrooner
08-05-2009, 03:17 PM
yes, Pau and Kg or Pau and Pierce (whoever you consider the second bosgtons option) could win a ring.

Parker and Kg or Pierce.

Parker and Pau


Pau and Dirk could ( dirk wil need to be a second option to win one)

Nash and Kg or pierce.

Nash and Pau

etc etc.

JordansBulls
08-05-2009, 03:25 PM
A lot say that you need a franchise player and a 2nd option to win a title. I want to know if a team can win a title with having 2 players considered as 2nd options.

If I were to team up the following players(with having an above average bench and starting lineup), can they lead their team to a title?

Examples:

Amare and Bosh
Amare and Parker
Lewis and Bosh
Gasol and Allen
Redd and Gasol
Parker and Redd


If yes, why?

If no, why?

I thought about this the other day. I think a team with Scottie Pippen and Pau Gasol or Scottie Pippen and Kevin Mchale if on those Boston's teams in the 80's could.

PG Dennis Johnson
SG Ainge
SF Pippen
PF Gasol or Mchale
C Parish

RaiderLakersA's
08-05-2009, 03:27 PM
Maybe not this year they couldn't. The top teams are too deep with a franchise player plus multiple second option players.

ronaldsmith_86
08-05-2009, 03:31 PM
Back when detroit was winning no one on that team was a franchise or superstar player

zambo4president
08-05-2009, 03:33 PM
Good question. Well i believe that someone has to be that #1 guy, so therefore i guess there has to be #2 and so forth.

ManRam
08-05-2009, 03:33 PM
Besides the Bad Boys...I don't think it's ever happened before.

d79cheese
08-05-2009, 03:37 PM
i would say the 204/2005 pistons would be the best example (wallace and billups)

Hellcrooner
08-05-2009, 03:45 PM
I thought about this the other day. I think a team with Scottie Pippen and Pau Gasol or Scottie Pippen and Kevin Mchale if on those Boston's teams in the 80's could.

PG Dennis Johnson
SG Ainge
SF Pippen
PF Gasol or Mchale
C Parish

dont need to go that far awaya nad mix three things.

just put Gasol on pippens 94 bulls and thats a fourthpeet

WillisLovechild
08-05-2009, 03:46 PM
Bosh is a second option?

lakers4sho
08-05-2009, 03:56 PM
Give an example, I'm not sure what team fits this description

Toronto Raptors right now, duh. Bosh and Turkoglu.

Raps08-09 Champ
08-05-2009, 04:11 PM
Bosh is a second option?

He is considered a 2nd option at best by many so I put him there.

Mavrix
08-05-2009, 04:16 PM
How are Amare and Bosh considered "2nd options"?

Raps08-09 Champ
08-05-2009, 04:20 PM
How are Amare and Bosh considered "2nd options"?

A lot of people think they are 2nd options at best. Not a lot think they aregood enough to be the main guy on the team.

Zefflin
08-05-2009, 04:20 PM
Cause if you put them on the best teams in the league they would probably be 2nd options.

AntiG
08-05-2009, 04:21 PM
the Detroit Pistons championship - Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups.

None of these guys are really what you'd consider your #1 scoring option (even though Billups is arguably the best PG in the league, but he really BECAME the top dog that year).

In the end, its the makeup of the team. You can win with a team of stars or a team of nobodies if at the end they as a unit are the best team on the floor.

Bruno
08-05-2009, 05:31 PM
Right now, the NBA is loaded with four squads with legitimate #1's/#2's and #3's who are good enough to be #2's. Unless the above had a team of supurb shooters/defenders- I don't seem them having a chance against the four power houses in the NBA right now. Maybe at a different time, not right now. No.

AntwanN21
08-05-2009, 05:39 PM
well i dunno pau gasol is a second option to kobe and shaq is a second option to lebron.

So if i had a decent starting lineup with my backcourt being Gasol and Shaq im guessing my team would make a pretty good run.

IBleedPurple
08-05-2009, 05:41 PM
yes, Pau and Kg or Pau and Pierce (whoever you consider the second bosgtons option) could win a ring.

Parker and Kg or Pierce.

Parker and Pau


Pau and Dirk could ( dirk wil need to be a second option to win one)

Nash and Kg or pierce.

Nash and Pau

etc etc.

I don't think KG or Nash could be considered second options. Boston & LA are different, as they have multiple players that could be a first option.

ManRam
08-05-2009, 06:52 PM
The answer is no.

2009: Kobe
2008: KG and Pierce
2007: Duncan
2006: Wade
2005: Duncan
2004: Billups (this is questionable, but I think Chauncey was a #1 player)
2003: Duncan
2002: Kobe and Shaq
2001: Kobe and Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Duncan
1998: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1996: Jordan
1995: Hakeem
1994: Hakeem
1993: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1991: Jordan
1990: Bad Boys (the exception)
1989: Bad Boys (the exception)
1988: A ton of #1 options
1987: A ton of #1 options
1986: A ton of #1 options (Bird mainly)

The trend continues...trust me.

Sure, it can happen, but very rarely does it. I think if the Magic won it last year, you could make an argument, especially considering how Howard struggled offensively, that they had no #1 option on that team.

Putting names together, like Bosh and Pau etc...is stupid, because who actually knows if they'd win. Just look at the past. And the past says it is very rare.

Run&Gun
08-05-2009, 07:24 PM
Don't the spurs work for this, if you take the spurs from a few years back this would definitely work. You could say Parker/Tuncan/Manu Most people would consider manu in the playoffs like a superstar.

BkOriginalOne
08-05-2009, 07:50 PM
Let's not forget that Great Point Guards aren't considered 1st options.
Chris Paul & Amare

GeneWaldron#5
08-05-2009, 08:25 PM
It can happen. But only very very rarely. The champions almost always have an MVP-calibre player on their team. I think you would need 3 2nd option players because some of the best players have good 2nd, and 3rd options alongside them. Kobe-Pau-Odom, Dwight-VC-Lewis, KG-Pierce-Allen, TD-Parker-Manu (if healthy) are examples of this.

Looking at 2 2nd option players. You could look at the Celtics without KG in the play-offs. Couldn't make it to the finals. You could also look at the Nuggets with Billups-Anthony. I think most teams would be delighted to have either player as their second option but they couldn't make it all the way to the finals either.

twoearl
08-05-2009, 08:29 PM
The answer is no.

2009: Kobe
2008: KG and Pierce
2007: Duncan
2006: Wade
2005: Duncan
2004: Billups (this is questionable, but I think Chauncey was a #1 player)
2003: Duncan
2002: Kobe and Shaq
2001: Kobe and Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Duncan
1998: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1996: Jordan
1995: Hakeem
1994: Hakeem
1993: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1991: Jordan
1990: Bad Boys (the exception)
1989: Bad Boys (the exception)
1988: A ton of #1 options
1987: A ton of #1 options
1986: A ton of #1 options (Bird mainly)

The trend continues...trust me.

Sure, it can happen, but very rarely does it. I think if the Magic won it last year, you could make an argument, especially considering how Howard struggled offensively, that they had no #1 option on that team.

Putting names together, like Bosh and Pau etc...is stupid, because who actually knows if they'd win. Just look at the past. And the past says it is very rare.

I couldn't agree more! End of Discussion! LOL

mikantsass
08-05-2009, 08:45 PM
yes, Pau and Kg or Pau and Pierce (whoever you consider the second bosgtons option) could win a ring.

Parker and Kg or Pierce.

Parker and Pau


Pau and Dirk could ( dirk wil need to be a second option to win one)

Nash and Kg or pierce.

Nash and Pau

etc etc.


We get it. Youre in love with Gasoft. You would love to make sweet love to him. You want to see him all soapy in the shower. We understand.

But there is NO way Gasol can win a ring with anyone except Kobe or LeBron.
He is SOOOOOOO over-rated its not even funny.

On the topic of this thread, I do think it is possible. When the Pistons won it, did they really have a true #1 scoring option. Rip maybe? Sheed maybe? They are boarderline but thats a tought call.

SeoulBeatz
08-05-2009, 09:01 PM
The Detroit Pistons were a GREAT EXAMPLE of a team FULL of great 2nd options in...

Chauncey Billups
Rasheed Wallace
(prime) Rip Hamilton
Tayshaun Prince
(prime) Ben Wallace

that was a great team.

GeneWaldron#5
08-05-2009, 09:04 PM
Yeah like you say the Pistons had 3 2nd options (Rip, Billups, Sheed) and 2 great defensive role players. I don't know if you can do it with just 2 2nd options

arkanian215
08-05-2009, 09:06 PM
sure... rip, rasheed, tayshaun and billups were all considered second options at one point. throw any pair together and you get the championship pistons.

SeoulBeatz
08-05-2009, 09:08 PM
Yeah like you say the Pistons had 3 2nd options (Rip, Billups, Sheed) and 2 great defensive role players. I don't know if you can do it with just 2 2nd options

true true,

i would use my current sixers team as a prime example in Elton Brand and Andre Iguodala, and we are def not championship contenders.

thephoenixson28
08-05-2009, 09:09 PM
If dwight howard is considered a 2nd option then I would choose amare and dwight.

Zefflin
08-05-2009, 09:41 PM
The Detroit Pistons were a GREAT EXAMPLE of a team FULL of great 2nd options in...

Chauncey Billups
Rasheed Wallace
(prime) Rip Hamilton
Tayshaun Prince
(prime) Ben Wallace

that was a great team.

Damn that team and damn the disfunctional 2004 Lakers even more.

PLAYERS FAN
08-05-2009, 10:29 PM
Hellcrooner

Pau and Dirk could ( dirk wil need to be a second option to win one)

Dirk is a better player as the number 1 option! Gasol should be the second option! Dirk lead Dallas to the Finals as the 1 option Gasol never won a game in the playoffs as the number one option.

KnicksorBust
08-05-2009, 11:16 PM
The answer is no.

2009: Kobe
2008: KG and Pierce
2007: Duncan
2006: Wade
2005: Duncan
2004: Billups (this is questionable, but I think Chauncey was a #1 player)
2003: Duncan
2002: Kobe and Shaq
2001: Kobe and Shaq
2000: Shaq
1999: Duncan
1998: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1996: Jordan
1995: Hakeem
1994: Hakeem
1993: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1991: Jordan
1990: Bad Boys (the exception)
1989: Bad Boys (the exception)
1988: A ton of #1 options
1987: A ton of #1 options
1986: A ton of #1 options (Bird mainly)

The trend continues...trust me.

Sure, it can happen, but very rarely does it. I think if the Magic won it last year, you could make an argument, especially considering how Howard struggled offensively, that they had no #1 option on that team.

Putting names together, like Bosh and Pau etc...is stupid, because who actually knows if they'd win. Just look at the past. And the past says it is very rare.

So over the last 30 years it has happened 3 times. You proved that the answer is YES.

cowboyz180
08-05-2009, 11:32 PM
no i dont think 2 #2 options can win, espicially this year

blazerman
08-06-2009, 12:16 PM
I was giving a hypothetical question but what if I team someone up like Bosh and Amare with a above average bench.

I think Amare and Bosh are both 1st options, Nash may be the Suns pg but Amare is option A in Phoenix and Bosh is Toronto.

It takes more than putting 2 big names together to win championships even if your supporting cast is good. Chemistry has to be there.

It's not often you can put a new team together and win a championship like that, Boston is the lone recent exception.

The Lakers and Heat both needed that one key element to complete their championship teams (Shaq & Gasol) in recent yrs but besides the 2nd option additions neither team was assembled overnight.

So just because you throw two big names together Im gonna say no unless their is good chemistry 1 through 12 (1 through 7/8 anyway). there's 16 teams that enter the playoffs and nearly everyone of them has two really good players but only 1 wins a title each yr.

TheMicrowave
08-06-2009, 12:21 PM
Depends on the supporting cast.