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GAWDtv
08-04-2009, 03:10 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_12986511

He he outing himself?

Will the L -Stern Make an example of him??

How do we know it's really him and not just some fan??

BigEric
08-04-2009, 03:27 PM
23? He's 23?

Trouble87
08-04-2009, 03:32 PM
suwoo to the homeboy JR Smith

people need to start letting NBA players have a life outside of basketball... even if he's acting blood on a twitter page that has nothing to do with his play on the court

let that man live

JWO35
08-04-2009, 03:33 PM
I guess he supports this game...

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/6710/bloodzandcripzvideogame.jpg

magichatnumber9
08-04-2009, 03:34 PM
This is not just a problem with the NBA, this is also a huge problem in today's United States Military. I am so sick of these gangs and there influence on our culture. I remember when Paul Pierce embarrassed my Celtics doing some gang sign crap. Gangs are the bottom barrel of our society. Stern suspend this punk

Diggy_2
08-04-2009, 03:44 PM
This is not just a problem with the NBA, this is also a huge problem in today's United States Military. I am so sick of these gangs and there influence on our culture. I remember when Paul Pierce embarrassed my Celtics doing some gang sign crap. Gangs are the bottom barrel of our society. Stern suspend this punk


why should Stern suspend him its not like he killed someone and if he did we dont know about it i think if NBA players are in a gang than thats there choice J.R should not be suspended because this is his off court life and he can do what he want;)

Netslunatic76
08-04-2009, 03:47 PM
suwoo to the homeboy JR Smith

people need to start letting NBA players have a life outside of basketball... even if he's acting blood on a twitter page that has nothing to do with his play on the court

let that man live

I guess his gang affiliation wouldn't be such a problem if he didn't have so many kids looking up to him. . .or if he was a rapper.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 03:48 PM
B's up C's down

Gangstas make the world go round SOOWOO!!!

Let JR live.... damn, he just got out the kan... now he kan't even type on his Twitter page?

Living Legend
08-04-2009, 03:51 PM
JR Smith is a wannabe

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 03:52 PM
I guess his gang affiliation wouldn't be such a problem if he didn't have so many kids looking up to him. . .or if he was a rapper.

when did JR say he was a role model?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 03:53 PM
CLoSE THIS THREAD THIS IS GONNA TURN RACE RELATED..........

Netslunatic76
08-04-2009, 03:54 PM
B's up C's down

Gangstas make the world go round SOOWOO!!!

Let JR live.... damn, he just got out the kan... now he kan't even type on his Twitter page?

You mean politicians? Hahaha

If JR wasn't under contract with a team and had to follow certain conduct policy then he can ruin his life any way he wanted to, but this gang stuff reflects negatively on the Nuggets organization.

Netslunatic76
08-04-2009, 03:55 PM
when did JR say he was a role model?

He doesn't have too. Millions if kids dream of being in the position he is in so they look up to him. Whether he wants them to or not.

GSW fan
08-04-2009, 04:03 PM
He wears alot of blue to be a Blood. haha

Maybe he signs with the Bulls when hes a FA

dbow1920
08-04-2009, 04:04 PM
when did JR say he was a role model?

Thats the dumb...All athletes are role models whether they want to be or not

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 04:04 PM
He doesn't have too. Millions if kids dream of being in the position he is in so they look up to him. Whether he wants them to or not.

Sooo.. your makin him responsible for somethin he has no control over??

Netslunatic76
08-04-2009, 04:07 PM
Sooo.. your makin him responsible for somethin he has no control over??

So some dude held a gun to his head and forced him to join the gang? Or was that a decision he made on his own?

*we don't even know if he is even in a gang or just an idiot*

Trouble87
08-04-2009, 04:11 PM
I guess his gang affiliation wouldn't be such a problem if he didn't have so many kids looking up to him. . .or if he was a rapper.

hey I understand where you're coming from 100% but if those same kids have a good foundation at home they can look at a million gangster/gangster wannabes and not want to emulate that

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 04:12 PM
So some dude held a gun to his head and forced him to join the gang? Or was that a decision he made on his own?

*we don't even know if he is even in a gang or just an idiot*

What JR does on his own time time isHIS business... Kid's look up to him, i understand that. But, you can't fault the man for not being a perfect angel that that everyone else wants him to be... He's human. If it's such a problem the parents should pay more attention on who they'e children idolize.

Trouble87
08-04-2009, 04:15 PM
gang or no gang JR Smith is a hell of a player... I wish him the best and just hope that he stays safe

we all have made bad or questionable choices in life, gang affiliation was one of his

zambo4president
08-04-2009, 04:17 PM
I wonder how his set feels about him playing for the Nuggets, with them being blue and all.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 04:26 PM
I wonder how his set feels about him playing for the Nuggets, with them being blue and all.

He makes 7 figures... they're happy as can be.

NYtilIdie
08-04-2009, 04:31 PM
Charles said it best

"Basketball players shouldn't be role models"

Just because they act nice on TV doesn't really mean thats who they in private.

Jay22Redd
08-04-2009, 04:41 PM
I wonder how his set feels about him playing for the Nuggets, with them being blue and all.

Bloodz kan wear light blue

gregd111
08-04-2009, 04:51 PM
Watch out Psd posters. All the gang members are koming out of the wood work.


Jesus ****ing christ. Some people need to grow the **** up. This is a sports forum. Not pretend to be gang affiliated on the internet.com.

Besides, maybee J.r. Is just illiterate.

Knowledge
08-04-2009, 04:57 PM
Charles said it best

"Basketball players shouldn't be role models"

Just because they act nice on TV doesn't really mean thats who they in private.

Exactly. Any kid who becomes a gang member or gets involved in trouble because their favorite athlete is involved in trouble really has issues. Parents need to be parents and stop blaming others for their kids faults, teach your kids right from wrong and explain things to them thoroughly.

tland22
08-04-2009, 05:01 PM
FUHK JR SMITH. He is an arrogant prick, who is immature. How does anyone civil like this dude?

nbaguy123
08-04-2009, 05:07 PM
go to the raptors, our franchise is full of red :)

azkarraga
08-04-2009, 05:20 PM
i'm a father of two kids and i can tell you this is nonsense. if my kids ever join a gang just because jr writes K, all i can tell you it's not jr fault but mine. and a hell of a big one.

IBleedPurple
08-04-2009, 05:27 PM
This is not just a problem with the NBA, this is also a huge problem in today's United States Military. I am so sick of these gangs and there influence on our culture. I remember when Paul Pierce embarrassed my Celtics doing some gang sign crap. Gangs are the bottom barrel of our society. Stern suspend this punk

You have a point there. When a group of people prevents the advancement of society, the safety of others, and increases the need for a police force, they are pretty low on the list. Problem is, some never grow up.


why should Stern suspend him its not like he killed someone and if he did we dont know about it i think if NBA players are in a gang than thats there choice J.R should not be suspended because this is his off court life and he can do what he want;)

Actually he did kill someone, his best friend in a car accident. It likely has absolutely nothing to do with gang affiliation, but it does have something to do with immaturity. The same thing could happen to anyone, but not likely in the same circumstances.

As a Nuggets fan, JR needs to grow up. I don't care that he's 23. Playing in the NBA is a priviliedge, and plenty of younger players have tons of respect for the game and carry themselves in a very high regard.

DaPrimeTime21
08-04-2009, 05:28 PM
J.R. Smith flashing the bloods gang sign in game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO9YaExmTBA

KnicksPain
08-04-2009, 05:32 PM
If you grow up in a blood neighbohood a lot of guys that arent bloods use the termanology, Im not advocating it but I just see a lot of people do that and since there arent any pockets on the nuggets uniform its probably not something to worry about

Mcnabb_vision
08-04-2009, 05:33 PM
J.R. Smith flashing the bloods gang sign in game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO9YaExmTBA

i bet he toss that up wen he hit a three ball....he thinks hes slick..Lol..

let the man live, we all kno where the ganglife leads you...and look at where he is...nothing can be said or done for him 2 change

thephoenixson28
08-04-2009, 05:36 PM
What JR does on his own time time isHIS business... Kid's look up to him, i understand that. But, you can't fault the man for not being a perfect angel that that everyone else wants him to be... He's human. If it's such a problem the parents should pay more attention on who they'e children idolize. See there's a difference. J.r smith shouldn't be putting it out there like that knowingly there is kids out there that idolize him. I bet you, we would be talking differently if someone like steve nash or someone was from the KKK.

KnicksPain
08-04-2009, 05:37 PM
On another note this might explain the fight with Criptonate (get it Kryptonate crip-to-nate) forget it. :pity:

Draco
08-04-2009, 05:40 PM
khiken danke? that doesn't work...

McPeak92
08-04-2009, 05:43 PM
so like what if the word is cell when it makes a "s" sound they would spell it kell, that doesn't seem like proper english. thats krazy.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 05:43 PM
See there's a difference. J.r smith shouldn't be putting it out there like that knowingly there is kids out there that idolize him. I bet you, we would be talking differently if someone like steve nash or someone was from the KKK.

You damn right it'd be different the KKK is completly different from the Bloods.

KKK hate people for not having the same skin color as they do...

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 05:45 PM
so like what if the word is cell when it makes a "s" sound they would spell it kell, that doesn't seem like proper english. thats krazy.

I was wonderin tha same thing... so I sent a friend who's a member of the bloods, a txt and i said "Wt if u need 2 say, Rich or kitchen" he said "We wouldnt say tht" :laugh2:

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 05:49 PM
Why isn't anyone sayin anything about when Ben Gordon but the "b" sign to his eye against the C's in the playoffs this year??

thats the Blood sign!! and dont try to tell me it means "in you eye" or none of that chit... go check out a Jim Jones music video... jim jones is a member of Eastside Nine-Treys.... doin the saaaaaaaaame thing BG7 was!

Sophi127
08-04-2009, 05:49 PM
This is old news weren't Laker fans calling the nuggets thuggets. Just by observation we can tell you other players in the NBA that associate with sorry thug gangsters. Practically the whole thuggets are gangsters. Except Billupps and Nene.

Mcnabb_vision
08-04-2009, 05:50 PM
On another note this might explain the fight with Criptonate (get it Kryptonate crip-to-nate) forget it. :pity:


^that was sooo corny, ijuss had to laugh my *** off..LOL :clap:

but does that make nate a blood cuz his nicknames spelt with a 'K"

magichatnumber9
08-04-2009, 06:01 PM
no one on here should feel bad for J.R Smith. Do you really think he cares about the guy who died in his car. I love how when people do something we don't like we automatically say he is immature. How about he is most likely a bad person with an amazing gift and he happens to be young. And this twitter crap is not private, its dirty laundry public, and he knows exactly what he is doing when he replaces letters. I am not 18-19 like most people on this thread I served 8 years in the military and believe me I have met my share of J.R. Smiths around this country. Gangs and there members have slipped into every branch of our military, law enforcement, and maybe even our government. So its not a stretch for me to believe that the NBA doesn't have its share. This is reality

VIP1349
08-04-2009, 06:01 PM
This is old news weren't Laker fans calling the nuggets thuggets. Just by observation we can tell you other players in the NBA that associate with sorry thug gangsters. Practically the whole thuggets are gangsters. Except Billupps and Nene.
Linas Kleiza is such a gangster isn't he? So is old man Anthony Carter! Oh man. 'Birdman' used to use drugs, so that has to mean he is in a gang right? Oh Goodness I can tell our team is a thug. That darn George Karl, I remember one time he through up gang signs. That Karl is a mad gangster, I heard his name is really Carl, but he's to hood so he changed to Karl. Grow up, just because we were given the name Thuggets by Lakers fans doesn't mean our team is full of gangsters. Carmelo used to be immature but he wised up and is now a role model.

JR Smith is clearly immature. He's given a spot of high regard and he should be wiser with it. I wish he'd be a little smarter outside of basketball but he's out High School didn't get an Education and thus is why I feel like College is a must. JR Smith needs to wise up but replacing 'C' with 'K' on a Twitter page, is the least of our worries. If he does something gang related that actually affects someone thatís the real problem.

Oh and by the way that wasn't the bloods sign, thatís the T-Rex walk.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-04-2009, 06:04 PM
no one on here should feel bad for J.R Smith. Do you really think he cares about the guy who died in his car. I love how when people do something we don't like we automatically say he is immature. How about he is most likely a bad person with an amazing gift and he happens to be young. And this twitter crap is not private, its dirty laundry public, and he knows exactly what he is doing when he replaces letters. I am not 18-19 like most people on this thread I served 8 years in the military and believe me I have met my share of J.R. Smiths around this country. Gangs and there members have slipped into every branch of our military, law enforcement, and maybe even our government. So its not a stretch for me to believe that the NBA doesn't have its share. This is reality

you obviously have no kept up with the story... JR killed his best friend in a car accident... think about it... you really don't beleive he feels any remorse?

KnicksPain
08-04-2009, 06:05 PM
Linas Kleiza is such a gangster isn't he? So is old man Anthony Carter! Oh man. 'Birdman' used to use drugs, so that has to mean he is in a gang right? Oh Goodness I can tell our team is a thug. That darn George Karl, I remember one time he through up gang signs. That Karl is a mad gangster, I heard his name is really Carl, but he's to hood so he changed to Karl. Grow up, just because we were given the name Thuggets by Lakers fans doesn't mean our team is full of gangsters. Carmelo used to be immature but he wised up and is now a role model.

JR Smith is clearly immature. He's given a spot of high regard and he should be wiser with it. I wish he'd be a little smarter outside of basketball but he's out High School didn't get an Education and thus is why I feel like College is a must. JR Smith needs to wise up but replacing 'C' with 'K' on a Twitter page, is the least of our worries. If he does something gang related that actually affects someone thatís the real problem.

Oh and by the way that wasn't the bloods sign, thatís the T-Rex walk.

I dont think yall are thugs but people were calling you thuggets for awhile like back when you had AI.

DenButsu
08-04-2009, 06:31 PM
This is old news weren't Laker fans calling the nuggets thuggets.

Oh, well if Lakers fans were saying that about the Nuggets, then it must be true!

Pornstar86
08-04-2009, 07:26 PM
ummm, is this a surprise??? and if he is a real Blood, i wonder what his illegal initiation was...murder, robbery, gangbang....people need to chill with all the role model stuff too, i mean you should look up to a scholar, revolutionary, motivator, not a dumbass who came out of highschool cuz he could play ball...

DaPrimeTime21
08-04-2009, 07:27 PM
some of the naivety on this board/thread. some people just don't understand the world around them at all. wow. :rolleyes:

I remember when Paul Pierce dropped the blood symbol a couple years back in the playoff and listening to all the reactions, just blows my mind how ignorant some people can be about the world.:speechless:

Pornstar86
08-04-2009, 07:27 PM
I dont think yall are thugs but people were calling you thuggets for awhile like back when you had AI.

when the nuggets had AI, i thought it was hilarious how the entire starting 5 was covered in tats

Draco
08-04-2009, 07:29 PM
ummm, is this a surprise??? and if he is a real Blood, i wonder what his illegal initiation was...murder, robbery, gangbang....

...the chicken dance.

Hollywood Butt
08-04-2009, 07:47 PM
why should Stern suspend him its not like he killed someone and if he did we dont know about it i think if NBA players are in a gang than thats there choice J.R should not be suspended because this is his off court life and he can do what he want;)


correct me if im wrong but i thought he did in a car crash and thats why he was in jail to begin with

TheCooLKid2020
08-04-2009, 08:04 PM
i'm a father of two kids and i can tell you this is nonsense. if my kids ever join a gang just because jr writes K, all i can tell you it's not jr fault but mine. and a hell of a big one.


This was the best thing posted... Props to you........

Basketballguy87
08-04-2009, 08:06 PM
J.R needs to grow up

RLundi
08-04-2009, 08:18 PM
What JR does on his own time time isHIS business... Kid's look up to him, i understand that. But, you can't fault the man for not being a perfect angel that that everyone else wants him to be... He's human. If it's such a problem the parents should pay more attention on who they'e children idolize.

Not true. The Nuggets employ him and therefore what he does on his own time is his and the Nuggets' business. If he does something to bring negativity to the Nuggets and the NBA, some sort of action needs to be taken. Stern should lighten his wallet some. Everyone understands the NBA is not a league full of perfect angels but sports serves as a release from the negativity of the world. We see crap everyday, I don't need to see it in basketball.

nikefreek220
08-04-2009, 08:41 PM
hahaha why are people surprised by this??

the dude grew up around that. Just because they threw a load of money at him, and called him a Professional basketball players, doesnt mean he is going to change.

Some people change and grow up to be better, and others get stuck on how they grew up and end up not reaching their full potential, not only on the court but also just in life.

shizzle09
08-04-2009, 09:03 PM
J.R. Smith flashing the bloods gang sign in game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO9YaExmTBA

haha, nice post. This guy is a ******* piece of **** doing that on tv for kids to see. any of you douche bags that defend him are just as bad. Grow up Smith

shizzle09
08-04-2009, 09:08 PM
some of the naivety on this board/thread. some people just don't understand the world around them at all. wow. :rolleyes:

I remember when Paul Pierce dropped the blood symbol a couple years back in the playoff and listening to all the reactions, just blows my mind how ignorant some people can be about the world.:speechless:

LOL, ignorance is the clown throwing up gang signs on TV when he's making millions of dollars. Ignorance is people posting messages calling people naive because they dislike this clown. He acts this way playing the game as well. Anybody recall his blatant fouls in the Lakers series. Pure thuggery

goldenstater
08-04-2009, 09:12 PM
who gives a ****! he is from the east coast, ain't no body out here on the west coast would ever take him serious if he was claimin to be a bloodclot anyways. i promise you he is no blood. he is probably as much blood as the game is! stick to basketball buddy!

DenButsu
08-04-2009, 09:28 PM
People need to stop the off topic posts.

LakeShowRaider
08-04-2009, 09:34 PM
You fools saying being a blood, crip whatever is ok are idiots.

This Dumb arse wheteher he likes it or not has kids watching him. You wanna put a ball in a hoop and get paid millions for it? Well there's a certain set of rules to follow. I've hated this guy since he was drafted.

A good for nothing that has athleticism.

Living Legend
08-04-2009, 09:46 PM
Lots of haters in dis thread.

homestarunner93
08-04-2009, 09:59 PM
JR Smith, and any other NBA player affiliated with a gang, are fools. Stern should suspend them for a year. Heck, their teams should outright cut them and they should be blacklisted. I love how people are saying "let them live their life." If they live like this, they won't live for long. Plus, they're endorsing gang activity, which is a huge problem. Gangs are never a good thing, I don't care what anyone says. All they do is cause trouble.

Agar81
08-04-2009, 10:11 PM
this isnt such a big deal. he could just be typing with ks...

sexicano31
08-04-2009, 10:17 PM
What a joke, makes basketball players look more like a joke

DenButsu
08-04-2009, 11:37 PM
Any more off topic/disruptive posters in this thread will probably receive infractions. Just so you know.

tland22
08-05-2009, 12:18 AM
I dont like and dont care for JR Smith. Im glad he doesnt play for the Hornets any more....because this inevitably will give the Nuggets a bad name.

DenButsu
08-05-2009, 01:41 AM
I dont like and dont care for JR Smith. Im glad he doesnt play for the Hornets any more....because this inevitably will give the Nuggets a bad name.

That may be how you feel, but I think I remember Hornets fans holding up signs saying "We should have kept him" (and similar things) during their series against the Nuggets.

asandhu23
08-05-2009, 01:43 AM
JR Smith is a wannabe

lol.... look who's talking. nonetheless he should be atleast fined for this attitude

DenButsu
08-05-2009, 01:54 AM
lol.... look who's talking. nonetheless he should be atleast fined for this attitude

I'm fairly sure there's nothing in the NBA rulebook that allows for the league to fine players for having bad attitudes.

And if there was, J.R. would be waiting in a very long line...

JJ_JKidd
08-05-2009, 02:10 AM
Dissapointing. Just hope JR isnt part of the Nugs NBA Cares program.

NYtilIdie
08-05-2009, 02:14 AM
So I guess people who spell "cuz" instead of "cause" I guess that means their affiliated with the Crips right?

Maybe he grew up in a place where your forced to choose sides. I grew up in a place like that where theres no in between its either your with us or against us and JR choose to join them cause he didn't want to lose his life. When Rose through up that gang sign that doesn't mean he's in it just means thats his hood same with JR. As for the K's its probably an old habit that he never broke, but in no means does that mean he's involved in a gang.

Last I checked JR hasn't been arrested for anything gang affiliated so everybody needs to stop complaining about something that happened over Twitter .

nikefreek220
08-05-2009, 03:31 AM
this is really lame.

Just because he is black, has tatts, talks ghetto and throws up gang signs, does NOTT mean he is in a gang.

I dont know how many people here were recently in high school or are currently in high school. But i cant tell you how many people i see, throw up gang signs and act like they are in a gang when they are clearly not!! those people live in a gated community in a 4000 sq foot house, and their mommy and daddy give them what they want.

em i lying??

JAYSAM87
08-05-2009, 08:24 AM
That is dumb so if im a crip than he must hate me... let em live tho right? Thats dumb hating sum1 because of color. WHYTF would u rep in public he jus gonabe a target. Thats hella dumb let em live his, well damn if greg ostertag was in the kkk say the same thing then. there both part of clans/gangs that are about negative ****. and the world would be better witout em... but let em live i guess :/
btw j.r. smith is rawwwww hahaha

zezak
08-05-2009, 09:44 AM
you obviously have no kept up with the story... JR killed his best friend in a car accident... think about it... you really don't beleive he feels any remorse?

I find it hard to believe that J.R has learned anything or feels any damn remorse with his actions. Prior to killing his best friend which was 1000% his fault by the way he had 7 traffic violations and since his "best friend" died he has managed to achieve 5 more traffic violations.

Your telling me a person with any type of remorse or any type of character would continue this behavior? And now pulling stunts like this?

Hes a piss of ****, his blessed to have an opportunity to play in the NBA and represents a multi billion dollar industry while acting like a complete fool.

He was raised in a stable environment and attended private school's but acts like his grown up in the toughest communities in the country.

Guy is a joke I hope the commissioner makes an example out of this fool.

Next time this idiot gets convicted ship his *** to an Albanian prison, he can throw his gang signs in there and see how soft he comes back.

:mad::mad::down::mad::down::bang::no::pity:

theBraveRocket
08-05-2009, 10:11 AM
He definitely deserves to be fined. It's not like this is the first time he's messed up. He clearly knows that what he's doing is wrong. While he may not have chosen to be a role model, he is one. It comes with the job

CELTICS4LYFE
08-05-2009, 10:23 AM
i dont think this is a big deal....you ppl think if he used c's instead, all of a sudden crime rate n gang activity would go down? lmao have a nice life living in your suburban homes!

JayW_1023
08-05-2009, 10:30 AM
Twitter is to the internet what The Sims is to videogames...there is nothing interesting about following someones daily life if he spends it twittering all day.

You might as well do this:

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Well I don't need to waste more valuable forum space to get my point across I guess.

pacofunk64
08-05-2009, 10:53 AM
While I dont think it's a huge deal, I do think he shouldn't do it. It is his personal life however what you do outside of your job can also be a bad reflection against your job. He likely is just a wannabe gangsta with no ties at all. If he was, he sure is dumb for making it public.

azkarraga
08-05-2009, 11:08 AM
This was the best thing posted... Props to you........

thanks.

and love your sig, by the way

DenButsu
08-05-2009, 11:31 AM
He definitely deserves to be fined.

For what? Show me the NBA rule that he violated.

GAWDtv
08-05-2009, 01:31 PM
Wow, there are some live one's in here. Chill, it's twitter!! No one even answered my questions!!

Was he outing himself?

No just young dumb and full of ignorance, like most rich 20 year olds. His maturation may have fully ******** shortly after the NBA draft when he got paid.

SHould/will Stern/NBA suspend him? Well, it's just Twitter. It was a bad decision but people make those all the time. Especially straight outta HS players. They need room to grow, maybe a mentor in Chauncey. Mr. BigShot, as the teams proven leader should call him on this one and help him understand his mistake and to make better decisions. Karl should nudge him that way if not already. I can play devils advicate, On the other hand does the NBA now have to worry about Gang affiliation when recruiting? Does Denver have to makesure their rookies are not Crips?? When you look at the big picture do we want a Gang devided NBA??? Players getting shot or stabbed ala Paul Pierce because of off court gang relationships???? Can't you see how it would serve the safety of non gang related players and team employees if the NBA would ban all known and able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt GANG AFFILIATION????? :smoking:

The tough question is how do you prove it's him and not some fan/stalker/hater/ex-girlfriendBentOnRevenge etc???

IBleedPurple
08-05-2009, 02:39 PM
im sorry but this will be my last tweet you know why but it is what it is

I believe he just took down his Twitter page.

ElMarroAfamado
08-05-2009, 03:01 PM
wow some of you people defending him sound real ignorant....

......everyone has their affiliations but it is stupid for them to put it out there like that....

$GangGr33n$
08-05-2009, 03:42 PM
wow some of you people defending him sound real ignorant....

......everyone has their affiliations but it is stupid for them to put it out there like that....

really cause Snoop Dogg made it public about him with the crips, The Game about crips, Jim Jones about blood, Young Jeezy with being in the Black Mafia Family

Gibby23
08-05-2009, 03:45 PM
really cause Snoop Dogg made it public about him with the crips, The Game about crips, Jim Jones about blood, Young Jeezy with being in the Black Mafia Family

Those guys are rappers and make money from that stuff.

theBraveRocket
08-05-2009, 11:29 PM
For what? Show me the NBA rule that he violated.

While there may not be a rule against it, he should be fined. This is worse than Antonio Gates bad-mouthing the food at training camp and he got fined 2,500. I'm not saying it should be a lot, but the league needs to take some sort of action to discourage this behavior.

DenButsu
08-05-2009, 11:35 PM
While there may not be a rule against it, he should be fined. This is worse than Antonio Gates bad-mouthing the food at training camp and he got fined 2,500. I'm not saying it should be a lot, but the league needs to take some sort of action to discourage this behavior.

I didn't hear about that. Was he fined by his team or the league? I think there are different guidelines (like I think teams have more discretion in fining their players for a wider range of things they see as problematic).

BBadger1989
08-05-2009, 11:51 PM
Bottom line is he is a PROFESSIONAL athlete. Professional being the key word. His job is to be in the media and when you are in the media representing a major company you can't exclaim to be gang affiliated. If you were to Throw up gang signs at your day job you would most likely be fired.

DenButsu
08-05-2009, 11:54 PM
I'm definitely not going to make the case that he was acting professionally, because I don't think he was.

But that said, I still don't think he did enough to merit the league fining him or taking any other kind of punitive action. He definitely did enough to merit some harsh scrutiny and criticism (although as I've said in the Nuggets forum, I think that's less because of his twitter posting and more because of his general overall behavior since getting released), but as far as I can tell he hasn't actually violated any NBA league rules.

JAYSAM87
08-06-2009, 03:33 AM
While there may not be a rule against it, he should be fined. This is worse than Antonio Gates bad-mouthing the food at training camp and he got fined 2,500. I'm not saying it should be a lot, but the league needs to take some sort of action to discourage this behavior.

It Was ANtonio Cromartie

CELTICS4LYFE
08-06-2009, 09:33 AM
really cause Snoop Dogg made it public about him with the crips, The Game about crips, Jim Jones about blood, Young Jeezy with being in the Black Mafia Family

games a blood lol well actually he's a lil surfer boy turned gangster for tv

kbrill21
08-06-2009, 09:50 AM
One reason why UNC cooled on him when he was coming out was his rumored association with gangs.

theBraveRocket
08-06-2009, 09:41 PM
I didn't hear about that. Was he fined by his team or the league? I think there are different guidelines (like I think teams have more discretion in fining their players for a wider range of things they see as problematic).

the fine was from the Chargers, and you may have a point there. teams may very well have more discretion. my point was just that a fine should come from somewhere.

GAWDtv
08-06-2009, 10:10 PM
I believe he just took down his Twitter page.

I just hope he has recognized his mistake and has learned from this :D

J_M_B
08-06-2009, 10:21 PM
Wow, seriously let the man live his life. The media/NBA is always involved in the players "off the court lives".

Just because J.R uses K's instead of C's he's all of sudden a gang member and should be suspended from the NBA? So if I use "cuz" instead cause, "u" instead of you, or even "iz" instead of is I'm a blood or a crip? Come on lets get real.

Why Kan't we leave J.R Smith alone? The NBA kan't suspend J.R

BULLSDROSE1
08-06-2009, 10:36 PM
He aint getting suspended

Rosh
08-06-2009, 10:45 PM
I hate Twitter.

J_M_B
08-06-2009, 11:48 PM
i hate twitter.

+1

MajorFloridaFan
08-06-2009, 11:54 PM
SUWOOO homie do your thing....type your game....play your game.....live your game.....just dont give the game up

goldenstater
08-07-2009, 12:06 AM
this is really lame.

Just because he is black, has tatts, talks ghetto and throws up gang signs, does NOTT mean he is in a gang.

I dont know how many people here were recently in high school or are currently in high school. But i cant tell you how many people i see, throw up gang signs and act like they are in a gang when they are clearly not!! those people live in a gated community in a 4000 sq foot house, and their mommy and daddy give them what they want.

em i lying??

not where i am from. your throwing up gang signs in my town you are saying something and that is not to be played around with imo. its dangerous to be acting out here even just messing around could get you hurt thats why i think it is stupid and to draw that kind of attention to yourself is not smart esp when you make a bunch of money. what if a real gangster next time he is in LA or OAkland or New Orleans or whereever decides to call him on that. does not seem worth it to me to be promoting that stuff. just because you are around gangs( which most people encounter) does not mean you should imulate them esp if your not a gang member. i grew up in a huge northside hood and dont bang and i would not go around throwing up 14 just cause i am from there. i dont bang so i dont throw it up period!

goldenstater
08-07-2009, 12:08 AM
games a blood lol well actually he's a lil surfer boy turned gangster for tv

ha ha for real. i saw him on the dating game back in the day. rappers dont really bang and if they do they are not rapping anymore( mac dre. rip)

goldenstater
08-07-2009, 12:17 AM
For what? Show me the NBA rule that he violated.

thats not the point. its discretion. if you are working at safeway and you are caught throwing signs up or are glorifying it and your boss comes in what do youl think would happen?you would get *****ed out or fired. we are suppose to give them a pass cause why? they plays basketball. they should be held accountable just like us, sadly that's not the way it works cause our prioraties in society(its our fault too) and who we idolize and put on pedistools are all mixed up. so if we see a basketball player doing something that is wrong we push it under the rug most of the time and are like its cool did you see his game last night bro. sad but true. i dont think that should be something( esp. gangs stuff) that commiss should let go by with out addressing it, its to important of an issue. if he wants to bang than give up ball and bang other wise leave that **** at home.

MajorFloridaFan
08-07-2009, 12:21 AM
Its a txt on a silly twitter said i think its yall fanning his balls by paying attention to it..i cant wait till this twitter goes away ....o im so atwitter about it

CELTICS4LYFE
08-07-2009, 08:27 AM
ha ha for real. i saw him on the dating game back in the day. rappers dont really bang and if they do they are not rapping anymore( mac dre. rip)

haha wit his highlighted hair an surfer shorts!!! n yea they dont....they underground ones from east n west but not down south, they like to talk bout it tho like weezy, he never sold nothing his whole life!! n all he talks about is selling

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 09:50 AM
thats not the point. its discretion. if you are working at safeway and you are caught throwing signs up or are glorifying it and your boss comes in what do youl think would happen?you would get *****ed out or fired. we are suppose to give them a pass cause why? they plays basketball. they should be held accountable just like us, sadly that's not the way it works cause our prioraties in society(its our fault too) and who we idolize and put on pedistools are all mixed up. so if we see a basketball player doing something that is wrong we push it under the rug most of the time and are like its cool did you see his game last night bro. sad but true. i dont think that should be something( esp. gangs stuff) that commiss should let go by with out addressing it, its to important of an issue. if he wants to bang than give up ball and bang other wise leave that **** at home.

Actually, I think it is the point. NBA players shouldn't be fined for not breaking the rules.

Now, if you want to make the case that all NBA players should be held (in some official capacity) to a higher standard - as it sounds like you do - and use J.R.'s case as one example of that, that's fine. But to single him out for a fine, when there are plenty of other NBA players who occasionally or routinely exhibit equally bad or worse behavior without getting fined would be stupid and unfair. I mean, let's be real here. Jason Kidd got fined by the NBA for criticizing the refs, but not for beating his wife, if I'm not mistaken. And I think that's a pretty good example of some out of whack league priorities. And there's a good case to be made for revising the standards there. But if the league is going to start fining players for bad behavior, I'd like to see them start with things like assault and domestic violence before moving on to replacing c's with k's.

And no way in hell should J.R. be fined for this. He should be *****ed out by the Nuggets coaching staff and veteran players and PR crew, and I'm sure he will. But not fined by the league.

CELTICS4LYFE
08-07-2009, 10:50 AM
Actually, I think it is the point. NBA players shouldn't be fined for not breaking the rules.

Now, if you want to make the case that all NBA players should be held (in some official capacity) to a higher standard - as it sounds like you do - and use J.R.'s case as one example of that, that's fine. But to single him out for a fine, when there are plenty of other NBA players who occasionally or routinely exhibit equally bad or worse behavior without getting fined would be stupid and unfair. I mean, let's be real here. Jason Kidd got fined by the NBA for criticizing the refs, but not for beating his wife, if I'm not mistaken. And I think that's a pretty good example of some out of whack league priorities. And there's a good case to be made for revising the standards there. But if the league is going to start fining players for bad behavior, I'd like to see them start with things like assault and domestic violence before moving on to replacing c's with k's.

And no way in hell should J.R. be fined for this. He should be *****ed out by the Nuggets coaching staff and veteran players and PR crew, and I'm sure he will. But not fined by the league.


They dont care how you make yourself look, its how you make the league look

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 11:45 AM
They dont care how you make yourself look, its how you make the league look

Exactly. And whether or not that's right, that is the league's standard. And no matter what the league's standard is, it should be applied equally and fairly to all its players.

tland22
08-07-2009, 01:57 PM
seriously...its JR SMITH. WHO CARES? It is what you expect from an uncivilized savage like this.

goldenstater
08-07-2009, 06:41 PM
Actually, I think it is the point. NBA players shouldn't be fined for not breaking the rules.

Now, if you want to make the case that all NBA players should be held (in some official capacity) to a higher standard - as it sounds like you do - and use J.R.'s case as one example of that, that's fine. But to single him out for a fine, when there are plenty of other NBA players who occasionally or routinely exhibit equally bad or worse behavior without getting fined would be stupid and unfair. I mean, let's be real here. Jason Kidd got fined by the NBA for criticizing the refs, but not for beating his wife, if I'm not mistaken. And I think that's a pretty good example of some out of whack league priorities. And there's a good case to be made for revising the standards there. But if the league is going to start fining players for bad behavior, I'd like to see them start with things like assault and domestic violence before moving on to replacing c's with k's.

And no way in hell should J.R. be fined for this. He should be *****ed out by the Nuggets coaching staff and veteran players and PR crew, and I'm sure he will. But not fined by the league.

what your failing to realize is the commissioner has the ability to use his dicretion to fine a player whether it is with in the rules or not. there are plenty of player conduct codes in contracts that players sign much like what goodell can do by suspending a player for off field situation. so whether is in the rules or not he has that power. now i am not even saying it needs to be a finable offense but it most definatly should be investigated or addressed to some point. whether its calling he nuggets to have them sit him down and say if that is the case( if he actually was throwing up his set) than that type of promotion needs to stop. so i agree with you that it does not need to be a big fiasco, to say that there are bigger circumstances that need o be more addressed could very well be true, but that does not mean this should not either. so if consistancy is what you want from the top then i agree. but i sure as **** dont want my kid or nephew walking around throwing but gang signs and dont not know what they mean cause they saw there favorite basketball player do it or soowuu in cause the game(rapper) or who ever does it. cause that could have serious and real life repercussions where i am from and nowadays even where people from okhlahoma are from and it needs to be addressed(on whatever level). its probably not even a big deal, but to prevent a bigger issue is the key here.

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 07:23 PM
what your failing to realize is the commissioner has the ability to use his dicretion to fine a player whether it is with in the rules or not. there are plenty of player conduct codes in contracts that players sign much like what goodell can do by suspending a player for off field situation. so whether is in the rules or not he has that power.

All you're doing is saying what you wish to be true. But what you're not saying is what actually is true. "False" would be more like it. But if you think I'm wrong, then you should back it up and show me the line(s) from the NBA rule book where it is stated that the league can arbitrarily fine players who have not broken any league rules.

In the meantime, look at these real examples of what the league actually bases its finings on (http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html):


2/27/09
Boston suspended Gabe Pruitt for 2 games for his recent arrest for DUI and
placed him on IL.

2/16/09
Phoenix suspended Jason Richardson for 1 game for his arrest for excessive
speeding (55 mph over limit) with an unrestrained 3 year-old in the back
seat.

12/30/08
The NBA suspended Ricky Davis (LAC) for 5 games for violating the league's
anti-drug policy.

10/14/08
The NBA suspended Sebastian Telfair (Min) for 3 games for his guilty plea
of criminal possession of a weapon. The suspension will start with the
beginning of the regular season.

9/19/08
The NBA suspended Darius Miles (Bos) for 10 games for violating the
league's anti-drug policy. Miles will serve the suspension at the start
of the regular season (or, if he is cut before the regular season, for
the next regular season games he is on a roster).

9/18/08
The NBA fined Michael Beasley (Mia) $50,000 for his involvement in the
incident with Darrell Arthur (Mem) and Mario Chalmers (Mia) during the
Rookie Transition Program. Arthur and Chalmers (who were fined $20,000
previously) refused to leave their hotel room during a fire alarm and
hotel security entered the room to force them to leave and discovered
two women and the smell of marijuana. Beasley initially denied his
involvement in the incident and refused to cooperate with the league
investigation.

9/10/08
The NBA fined Darrell Arthur (Mem) and Mario Chalmers (Mia) $20,000 each
for getting kicked out of the NBA rookie program. The two refused to
leave their hotel room during a fire alarm and hotel security entered
the room to force them to leave and discovered two women and the smell of
marijuana. The two players were kicked out of the program for violating
program rules which does not allow the rookies to have visitors. The
two denied using marijuana and there was no physical evidence of
marijuana recovered from the room.

7/10/08
The NBA suspended Brad Miller for 5 games for violating the NBA's
anti-drug policy. The suspension will be served at the start of the 08-09
regular season.

7/10/08
The NBA suspended JamesOn Curry for 1 game for his guilty plea for
resisting an officer and public urination. The suspension will be served
at the start of the 08-09 regular season.

For each and every fine given to a player for something he did off the court (that did not involve criticizing the officials) there was either a) a clear violation of NBA rules (usually its drug policy), or b) a run-in with the law, usually involving an arrest. In the last year not one single player was fined by the league for having a bad attitude (this entire notion seems to ****ing ridiculous to me I can't believe I'm even taking the time to spell it out like this), and I'm sure that if you continued down the list through previous seasons you'd find that there is absolutely no precedent set for fining J.R. for replacing c's with k's. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

So if you (like most of the posters here) just don't like J.R. and want to bash him, then have at it I suppose. But if you want to make the case that he should actually be fined by the league for what he posted on twitter, then what you're really making a case for is his being unfairly targeted and singled out for harsher punishment (for not even breaking a league rule!) than any other player in the league. Based on the fact you just don't like him. Way to be objective.

DenButsu
08-07-2009, 07:24 PM
seriously...its JR SMITH. WHO CARES? It is what you expect from an uncivilized savage like this.

And you get the "Hysterically Melodramatic Post of the Week" award.

DetroitRipCity
08-07-2009, 07:40 PM
B's up C's down

Gangstas make the world go round SOOWOO!!!

Let JR live.... damn, he just got out the kan... now he kan't even type on his Twitter page?

do you realize when you type like this you only make yourself look stupid?

D-Amazins
08-07-2009, 08:01 PM
suwoo to the homeboy JR Smith

people need to start letting NBA players have a life outside of basketball... even if he's acting blood on a twitter page that has nothing to do with his play on the court

let that man live

Your not blood. Stop trying to be one or act like one.

D-Amazins
08-07-2009, 08:05 PM
B's up C's down

Gangstas make the world go round SOOWOO!!!

Let JR live.... damn, he just got out the kan... now he kan't even type on his Twitter page?

Can you please stop acting like something your not. :pity:

goldenstater
08-08-2009, 01:50 PM
All you're doing is saying what you wish to be true. But what you're not saying is what actually is true. "False" would be more like it. But if you think I'm wrong, then you should back it up and show me the line(s) from the NBA rule book where it is stated that the league can arbitrarily fine players who have not broken any league rules.

In the meantime, look at these real examples of what the league actually bases its finings on (http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/fines.html):



For each and every fine given to a player for something he did off the court (that did not involve criticizing the officials) there was either a) a clear violation of NBA rules (usually its drug policy), or b) a run-in with the law, usually involving an arrest. In the last year not one single player was fined by the league for having a bad attitude (this entire notion seems to ****ing ridiculous to me I can't believe I'm even taking the time to spell it out like this), and I'm sure that if you continued down the list through previous seasons you'd find that there is absolutely no precedent set for fining J.R. for replacing c's with k's. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

So if you (like most of the posters here) just don't like J.R. and want to bash him, then have at it I suppose. But if you want to make the case that he should actually be fined by the league for what he posted on twitter, then what you're really making a case for is his being unfairly targeted and singled out for harsher punishment (for not even breaking a league rule!) than any other player in the league. Based on the fact you just don't like him. Way to be objective.

i have absolutly no problem with jr smith at all. i dig the guy as a basketball player and dont think he is a bad guy at all. and i could care less if he is fined, but if this was something that is true it should be confronted and that is something that the commissioner does have the power to do. discretion is a part of his job whether you think so or not. i promise you if the commissioner ever felt that this was the case that he was promoting a gang he would do something about it for one fact that it would bring negitive media attention to the nba which would cost money. now i could care less about jr smith his situation is prob no big deal like i said but it does bring up a bigger issue and if it was some thing where the league found out that players were openly and publicly promoting street gangs it would be addressed i can promise you that. david stern can fine people for any thing he wants for god sakes he made a dress code for no reason that was inforced you think he could not address a potential gang situation if it was surfacing? your mental if you think that and if you think that is not merit for addressing. cause i am sure that is the publicity that the nba wants.

DenButsu
08-08-2009, 09:00 PM
I pretty much agree with what you're saying there, but the difference between the dress code and this case would be that the dress code applies equally to all NBA players, but if J.R. were fined in this case he'd be singled out and held to a different standard than the rest of the league, and fined for not breaking any currently existing rules, and for a behavior which you could probably find examples of from other players who would not be fined. If the league wants to make new rules or change their standards overall in a way that applies evenly to all the players, that's a different ball game.

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Anyhow, Chauncey Billups is flying to Las Vegas to mentor/coach J.R. (http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/tomasson/2009/08/08/billups-giving-smith-an-assist/) and practice with him in the gym for three weeks. Chauncey is the man.

slack_justin
08-08-2009, 09:39 PM
Denbutsu i agree with you he should not be singled out by rules not in the book. so therefore mr. stern should make a rule banning such behavior. until that happens nothing should be done. unless told so first by the team then it would be insubordination. i dont know or care what soowoo is but im a marine so oohrah! thats something to be proud to be part of. Punk *** gangs gotta go . i once was affiliated it wasnt until i was 23 that i realized that crap was nonsense and most members are soft and for using weapons dont even know how to use one let alone clean one for it to work properly.....STUPID punks

DenButsu
08-08-2009, 09:47 PM
Denbutsu i agree with you he should not be singled out by rules not in the book. so therefore mr. stern should make a rule banning such behavior

I could get on board with that. It would make a hell of a lot more sense than the dress code does, since there's direct linkage between gangs and criminal activity.

slack_justin
08-08-2009, 10:23 PM
exactly the dress code should be a per team issue if anything . the league shouldn't have control over certain things and thats one of them. IMO , anything gang related should be a huge issue since it only leads young people ,especially gang related into thinking hey! if J.R. made it big and hes involved then so can we ...... I probably could have worded it better but oh well

goldenstater
08-09-2009, 05:11 AM
I pretty much agree with what you're saying there, but the difference between the dress code and this case would be that the dress code applies equally to all NBA players, but if J.R. were fined in this case he'd be singled out and held to a different standard than the rest of the league, and fined for not breaking any currently existing rules, and for a behavior which you could probably find examples of from other players who would not be fined. If the league wants to make new rules or change their standards overall in a way that applies evenly to all the players, that's a different ball game.

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Anyhow, Chauncey Billups is flying to Las Vegas to mentor/coach J.R. (http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/tomasson/2009/08/08/billups-giving-smith-an-assist/) and practice with him in the gym for three weeks. Chauncey is the man.

i would understand what your saying brother. i guess my view is if( not even saying it happened like i said) that was the case i dont think that would be singling out as it would be addressing an issue. i guess that where we agree to disagree. it would be singling out if everyone was doing it and he was the scape goat. i jsut think from my view it comes down to for me personally, that would be a serious issue to me cause i see that **** a lot coming from california. but i totally agree that if it was to just make an example out of him that would not be fare to thats why a fine would be silly but to adress the issue would be more important and if that was a real issue i would hope that is something that the commiss would adress for the future. but good debate i see where your coming from too bro.

goldenstater
08-09-2009, 05:14 AM
I could get on board with that. It would make a hell of a lot more sense than the dress code does, since there's direct linkage between gangs and criminal activity.

ya i guess i see what you guys are saying about the rule aspect of it too. good point .

Super.
08-09-2009, 10:32 AM
This is not just a problem with the NBA, this is also a huge problem in today's United States Military. I am so sick of these gangs and there influence on our culture. I remember when Paul Pierce embarrassed my Celtics doing some gang sign crap. Gangs are the bottom barrel of our society. Stern suspend this punk

he didnt do a "gang" sign its supposed to represent blood sweat and tears. its something he's been doing for a long time...

besides how many times have i seen a player flash that exact same sign and nothing come of it

Draco
08-09-2009, 10:34 AM
he didnt do a "gang" sign its supposed to represent blood sweat and tears. its something he's been doing for a long time...

besides how many times have i seen a player flash that exact same sign and nothing come of it

He should flash that sign where someone makes an L with their thumb and index finger and places it on their forehead. :D

DenButsu
08-09-2009, 11:23 AM
He should flash that sign where someone makes an L with their thumb and index finger and places it on their forehead. :D

If you're considering moonlighting as a stand up comedian, my advice to you would be to keep your day job.

Draco
08-09-2009, 11:26 AM
If you're considering moonlighting as a stand up comedian, my advice to you would be to keep your day job.

No charge for my jokes. Same as your advice. :rolleyes:

DenButsu
08-09-2009, 11:32 AM
No charge for my jokes. Same as your advice. :rolleyes:

The only difference being that my advice is better than your jokes. Not bragging. Just sayin'...

:p

Lu's Dynasty
08-09-2009, 12:21 PM
What JR does on his own time time isHIS business... Kid's look up to him, i understand that. But, you can't fault the man for not being a perfect angel that that everyone else wants him to be... He's human. If it's such a problem the parents should pay more attention on who they'e children idolize.

When someone plays professional sports for a living or is an entertainer (in the public eye) then they have to understand that their "own time" can become public quite easily. A Twitter account is putting ones business on the Internet or equal to putting it out in public. He's a moron whether he's a gang-member or not.