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Hellcrooner
08-02-2009, 01:21 PM
1 Star Calls

2 MJ Wannabees

3 Fans rating players for their flasiness and their scoring not mattering how much they shoot or hurt their teams.

3,b The infuence of Comertials and brands on that way of rating players.

4 GOod teams bypassing rules and stacking up, like Mcdyess back to pustons last years stars accetign bs contracts teams making trades only for expirings etc etc.

5 American fans Continously underating Foreing Players.

brandonwarne52
08-02-2009, 01:24 PM
Everybody talking about 2010.

Boston-Born
08-02-2009, 01:27 PM
....foreign players suck

PennyMy#1
08-02-2009, 01:41 PM
What ? Involve a spaniard GOD DAMN IT ! ;)

Toenail Clipper
08-02-2009, 01:47 PM
1. LeBron James being compared to Jordan and Kobe.
2. LeBron James winning MVP and wearing an MVP LBJ shirt.
3. LeBron James dunking 24/7.
4. LeBron James stealing the videotape of him being dunked on.
5. LeBron James shows no sportsmanship towards the Magic and cries.

I HATE LEBRON
He shouldn't be an NBA player PERIOD.

MPScribbles
08-02-2009, 01:52 PM
1- Horrible officiating
2- Lack of quality bigs
3- Kobe Bryant... oh wait, you already said MJ wannabees
4- Same as OP
5- Not enough badass defenders

arkanian215
08-02-2009, 02:04 PM
lol what do you people expect? it's a business. they're gonna favor certain teams and players to make the most money. it's part of a good business model. it's pretty much done by every league around the world. that's the only reason why they would have sports leagues in the first place. they're not just here to entertain you. they're here to earn money. if they can draw more attention to the league then they're happy, no matter what it is.

Hellcrooner
08-02-2009, 02:07 PM
1- Horrible officiating
2- Lack of quality bigs

? KG, Sheed, Bosh, bargnani, Brand, Lopez,Dwight,Horford, Chandler,Okafor,Gasol,Stou,Griffin,Td,Ming,Jfferso n, Dirk, Ak,Boozer.......

ink
08-02-2009, 02:10 PM
1. LeBron James being compared to Jordan and Kobe.
2. LeBron James winning MVP and wearing an MVP LBJ shirt.
3. LeBron James dunking 24/7.
4. LeBron James stealing the videotape of him being dunked on.
5. LeBron James shows no sportsmanship towards the Magic and cries.

I HATE LEBRON
He shouldn't be an NBA player PERIOD.

Pure hate like this.

:pity:

lakers4sho
08-02-2009, 02:16 PM
1. LeBron James being compared to Jordan and Kobe.
2. LeBron James winning MVP and wearing an MVP LBJ shirt.
3. LeBron James dunking 24/7.
4. LeBron James stealing the videotape of him being dunked on.
5. LeBron James shows no sportsmanship towards the Magic and cries.

I HATE LEBRON
He shouldn't be an NBA player PERIOD.

:laugh:

DCSportsIsPain
08-02-2009, 02:16 PM
The dunk.

The three point line.

The special rules for "superstars."

Those three are enough problems without adding another two.

Suns113
08-02-2009, 02:22 PM
Touch fouls

lakers4sho
08-02-2009, 02:26 PM
The dunk.

The three point line.

The special rules for "superstars."

Those three are enough problems without adding another two.

So you prefer the '50s basketball? :eyebrow:

Mane
08-02-2009, 02:26 PM
1. Poor officiating
2. Lebron
3. Floppers
4. The Draft Lottery
5. Foreign Players

ChiMaverick
08-02-2009, 02:27 PM
I hate how they got rid of the Hand checking, I hate flopping, I hate how John Paxon/Gar Foreman are too afraid to pull off deals....What do I like?

I like Pizza, I like Bagels, I like Hot Dogs with Mustard and Beer, I'll eat Eggplant, I could even eat a Ba-aby Deer la la la la la la, la laaa, lala, Whose that Baby Deer on My La-awn?

Draco
08-02-2009, 02:35 PM
1. Rookies who get drafted based on their potential more than their skill.

2. Players motivated more by money rather than the love of the game

3. The rule changes in 03/04 and the general pussyfication of todays league.

4. Marketing players before they've earned a name for themselves

MPScribbles
08-02-2009, 02:35 PM
? KG, Sheed, Bosh, bargnani, Brand, Lopez,Dwight,Horford, Chandler,Okafor,Gasol,Stou,Griffin,Td,Ming,Jfferso n, Dirk, Ak,Boozer.......

Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Barkley, Shaq, Mourning, Willis, Daugherty, Webber, R. Wallace etc. For well rounded bigs. Rodman, Mutumbo, B. Wallace, etc. for specialist. I know some of those guys are still around but are not what they were. I'm talking about good big men- not just guys that get double doubles which is the most overrated stat in the game. I would much rather have my PF or C get 19/9 then 10/10.

DCSportsIsPain
08-02-2009, 02:36 PM
So you prefer the '50s basketball? :eyebrow:

PARTBS

Points, Assists, Rebounds, Turnovers, Blocks, Steals

Six fundamental categories.

There used to be a league full of players who could do all of these things.

Now, there is a league full of one skill players. Dunks & 3's. 3's & Dunks.

That **** isn't basketball.

HoopsMachine
08-02-2009, 02:37 PM
1. handcheck rule

2. defensive 3 seconds

3. new dress code

4. officiating

5. auto-suspensions+fines for players fighting

lakers4sho
08-02-2009, 02:40 PM
PARTBS

Points, Assists, Rebounds, Turnovers, Blocks, Steals

Six fundamental categories.

There used to be a league full of players who could do all of these things.

Now, there is a league full of one skill players. Dunks & 3's. 3's & Dunks.

That **** isn't basketball.

Yeah I feel ya man. Sometimes I feel that old school ball is better. When players actually used their brains.

static_inferno
08-02-2009, 02:40 PM
1. david stern
2. inconsistent ref calls
3. touch fouls
4. espn/abc
5. overpaid players

thephoenixson28
08-02-2009, 02:41 PM
1. The lakers
2. The spurs
3. Dumb trades to help the lakers
4. Dumb officiating to help the spurs
5. David stern.

Hellcrooner
08-02-2009, 02:48 PM
Yeah I feel ya man. Sometimes I feel that old school ball is better. When players actually used their brains.

that basket still exists, is called Fiba basket.

and that BRAINS is the reason while some fiba player that are phisically infrior to americans like pau or dirk or manu trhive in the nba just by sheer fundamentals and iq

krest213
08-02-2009, 02:58 PM
no love for game no more. its all about money now.
the over exaggerated plays
the officiating not calling foul on kobe or the mjs wannabes
the officiate always against my spurs and my heat
nuff said 21 and 3 all the way

lakers4sho
08-02-2009, 02:59 PM
that basket still exists, is called Fiba basket.

and that BRAINS is the reason while some fiba player that are phisically infrior to americans like pau or dirk or manu trhive in the nba just by sheer fundamentals and iq

:nod:

Too bad I can't watch FIBA over here :(

NYtilIdie
08-02-2009, 03:02 PM
1. Stacked teams (makes the game predictable)
2. People comparing Kobe to MJ
3. Star players don't play D
4. Officiating
5. Soft players (They don't make them like Oakley anymore)

Lo Porto
08-02-2009, 03:17 PM
1. Stars getting unfair treatment from the refs
2. Stars getting unfair treatment from the refs
3. Stars getting unfair treatment from the refs
4. Teams re-acquire traded players within same season (player gets waived then goes right back after a waiting period).
5. People saying MJ is the best ever. He is top 5, but nobody is best ever.

When I say stars getting unfair treatment from the refs, I mean that an identical foul that Kobe goes to the line for should also be called for the bench player for the other team. A foul is a foul. If they called everyone like they called Kobe, LeBron, etc., an NBA game would take longer than an MLB game. Don't send a guy to the line just because of who he is. Call it even already...

LA_Raiders
08-02-2009, 03:19 PM
1. The Comish
2. LeBroom Diva treatment
3. Officiating
4. Floppers & Cry bbs like Pierce & Lebroom
5. Players calling other players to come and play with them...like LeBroom calling Ariza, DW calling Odom, KG/Pierce/Ray calling Sheed...

MajorFloridaFan
08-02-2009, 03:22 PM
1 Star Calls

2 MJ Wannabees

3 Fans rating players for their flasiness and their scoring not mattering how much they shoot or hurt their teams.

3,b The infuence of Comertials and brands on that way of rating players.

4 GOod teams bypassing rules and stacking up, like Mcdyess back to pustons last years stars accetign bs contracts teams making trades only for expirings etc etc.

5 American fans Continously underating Foreing Players.

agree with 1-4 but 5 should be ownership problems
very few euros make it to the all star game when they are drafted in the first round....there not to many stars mostly role players

Hellcrooner
08-02-2009, 03:47 PM
1).
5. People saying MJ is the best ever. He is top 5, but nobody is best ever.

..
:clap: finally im not the only one in psd that is fed up of sonny vcaros and davids stern merchandise megaproduction

chicago lulz
08-02-2009, 03:53 PM
Poor Officiating
Flopping
Stern

itsripcity32
08-02-2009, 03:55 PM
the stacked teams getting more stacked

some of u guys seem to really hate today's nba, so why dont u guys go watch some trees grow instead of b1tchen

MJ-BULLS
08-02-2009, 03:58 PM
Poor officiating
lebron
Garnett
stern

thats about it

theuuord
08-02-2009, 04:02 PM
the fans, multiplied by five.

DCB/LAL
08-02-2009, 04:08 PM
I find it funny how just because a player is great all of sudden he is an MJ wanna be this is what i was talking about the other day anytime a player gets to that Great status like Kobe did he will be hated just because people will compare him to MJ which is stupid!! Kobe himself has said he's no MJ he is Kobe Bryant now just because someone is great he becomes an MJ wanna be???? Com'on thats ridiculous!!!

IAlakerfan
08-02-2009, 04:08 PM
Touch fouls, no traveling calls ( they do it all the damn time), seeing a game of just free throws for the last eight minutes of the game, ohh ya and people saying that LeBron is better than Kobe right now

Hellcrooner
08-02-2009, 04:28 PM
.....forgein players suck
you repeat posts.

hey lets go and chase some mexians down the border with axes and torches and we are done we can go an burn some negroes in south carolina.

DOnt forget to bring your white robe.
!!!!



See? thats what my point 5 is about

Freshed
08-02-2009, 04:34 PM
3- Kobe Bryant... oh wait, you already said MJ wannabees


LOL can you think before you can say something like this? kobe bryant does not want to be like MJ. he feels good that people are saying he could be like MJ but all he wants to be is a better basketball player. stop hating on kobe because he hurts you with the truth.

theuuord
08-02-2009, 04:41 PM
I'm really impressed by a seven foot gorilla dunking on a ten foot rim. :rolleyes:
Dr. James Naismith would be so proud of the lack of skill involved.
Trained monkeys can and do play this game now.

how old are you dude?

i can't imagine you being old enough to see how basketball was played in the 70s and actually want it to be like that again.

Vinny642
08-02-2009, 04:45 PM
1. Kobe, Lebron, the Celtics.

2. The star calls suck, especially for Lebron and Kobe.

3. Great teams getting even more stacked.

4. Bigger market teams overshadowed lower market teams.

5. The Lakers and Celtics winning it all.

DJ CHACH
08-02-2009, 04:57 PM
1. LeBron James being compared to Jordan and Kobe.
2. LeBron James winning MVP and wearing an MVP LBJ shirt.
3. LeBron James dunking 24/7.
4. LeBron James stealing the videotape of him being dunked on.
5. LeBron James shows no sportsmanship towards the Magic and cries.

I HATE LEBRON
He shouldn't be an NBA player PERIOD.

wow, we r meant to be together..i cant stand that fool either....yo lets add "not ever getting called for traveling" to that list

bigsams50
08-02-2009, 05:24 PM
alot of hate for lebron, even though hes doing things at 24 tht no one has done before

mikantsass
08-02-2009, 05:27 PM
1. The Refs
2. Kobe Bryant / Phil "crybaby" Jackson
3. International players
4. Center depth, it seems like all of the young stars are wing players
5. There should be a maximum $$ amount that each team can go over the cap

smith&wesson
08-02-2009, 05:35 PM
1. LeBron James being compared to Jordan and Kobe.
2. LeBron James winning MVP and wearing an MVP LBJ shirt.
3. LeBron James dunking 24/7.
4. LeBron James stealing the videotape of him being dunked on.
5. LeBron James shows no sportsmanship towards the Magic and cries.

I HATE LEBRON
He shouldn't be an NBA player PERIOD.

you hate one of the best and exciting players to watch in the nba ??

you hate watching him dunk ?? let me guess you rather see duncan shoot a 2 foot jumper off the back board right ? lol
stop hating man. the thread said what do you hate about the nba.. not pick a player and envy him ... lol

Beno7500
08-02-2009, 05:54 PM
foul calls
stern
big media teams get exceptions
ads
girly play

kobe24>lebron23
08-02-2009, 05:56 PM
lebron oh and more lebron one more the the boston keltics

DCSportsIsPain
08-02-2009, 05:59 PM
how old are you dude?

i can't imagine you being old enough to see how basketball was played in the 70s and actually want it to be like that again.

Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double or just short of a triple double for an entire season five times in his career while averaging 30 points per game.

Kobe and LeBron couldn't hold his jockstrap.

Most players today couldn't get a triple-double by accident, and even those who could don't score anywhere near 30 points in the process.

I reiterate: This dunk and 3 crap is not basketball.

smith&wesson
08-02-2009, 06:20 PM
first of all id like to say that i love the nba.
i live and breath basket ball so the nba is my fav league.

1. thing i hate about the nba is the referring. yes no one is perfect, but the referring these past few seasons has been really far from perfect. its been hurting. alot of favouritism, alot of no calls, just too many games have been decided through bad calls, and the refs are just way to envolved in the game.

2. the cap and its complicated rules.

3. asian fans voteing for theyre home town players and being completly biast. at this rate we are going to have sun yu and yi in the all star game next year, oh and ig yao is injured the whole year it wont matter because he will get voted in anyways. which is ********.

ink
08-02-2009, 06:25 PM
I'm really impressed by a seven foot gorilla dunking on a ten foot rim. :rolleyes:
Dr. James Naismith would be so proud of the lack of skill involved.
Trained monkeys can and do play this game now.

Dr. James Naismith played basketball with fruit baskets. He'd probably be amazed at the skill level involved today ...

itsripcity32
08-02-2009, 06:25 PM
Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double or just short of a triple double for an entire season five times in his career while averaging 30 points per game.

Kobe and LeBron couldn't hold his jockstrap.

Most players today couldn't get a triple-double by accident, and even those who could don't score anywhere near 30 points in the process.

I reiterate: This dunk and 3 crap is not basketball.

oscar wouldnt get those stats playing in today's league with these rules.

and if u dont believe this is basketball, then dont go to nba forums or watch nba games

DCSportsIsPain
08-02-2009, 06:37 PM
Dr. James Naismith played basketball with fruit baskets. He'd probably be amazed at the skill level involved today ...

Correct. Peach baskets. And soccer ball bladders. And normally sized people who were not allowed to touch the basket.

MPScribbles
08-02-2009, 06:46 PM
LOL can you think before you can say something like this? kobe bryant does not want to be like MJ. he feels good that people are saying he could be like MJ but all he wants to be is a better basketball player. stop hating on kobe because he hurts you with the truth.

Ok, recruit, I'll play along. With what truth does Kobe hurt me?

smith&wesson
08-02-2009, 06:50 PM
Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double or just short of a triple double for an entire season five times in his career while averaging 30 points per game.

Kobe and LeBron couldn't hold his jockstrap.

Most players today couldn't get a triple-double by accident, and even those who could don't score anywhere near 30 points in the process.

I reiterate: This dunk and 3 crap is not basketball.

oscar robertson is ONE player. name 15 players from his era that were as good or on his level... thats right you cant, because the compitition wasnt as steep back then.

the NBA today has way more star power, way more talented players and WAY more compitition. there isnt a hand full of players dominating the league any more, every year players get snubbed from the all star game and then you get furiouse fans on here from each respective team pissed off because theyre fav player didnt make the all star game. u know what that means ? that means way more talent. even players who arents stars in this league are really good. David Lee had the most double doubles last season and he didnt make it for example.

today brand of basketball is atually very exciting... its not the game itself that is the issue, but the league can be tweeked in certain areas for improvment. but any league could be improved. this thread is just here for our imput on what we think could be better what we can change, for example ref's on bad calls.

Toenail Clipper
08-02-2009, 07:01 PM
you hate one of the best and exciting players to watch in the nba ??

you hate watching him dunk ?? let me guess you rather see duncan shoot a 2 foot jumper off the back board right ? lol
stop hating man. the thread said what do you hate about the nba.. not pick a player and envy him ... lol

That's not exciting.
lmao
I'd rather see Vince Carter dunk, OR Ray Allen or Kobe Bryant make an amazing jumpshot.

theuuord
08-02-2009, 07:03 PM
Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double or just short of a triple double for an entire season five times in his career while averaging 30 points per game.

Kobe and LeBron couldn't hold his jockstrap.

Most players today couldn't get a triple-double by accident, and even those who could don't score anywhere near 30 points in the process.

I reiterate: This dunk and 3 crap is not basketball.

Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a league that averaged 125 possessions per game. LeBron is on a team that averages less than 90.
You put LeBron on a team with 125 possessions per game he's going 40-10-10.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1423

You clearly have gained all your knowledge of 1960s-70s basketball from watching old footage of it without studying the game.

violetuniverse
08-02-2009, 07:04 PM
1. kobe
2. lbj
3. teams losing to get a high draft pick
4. nba saleries
5. the current celtics team w kg.

Reversed86Curse
08-02-2009, 07:12 PM
1. kobe
2. lbj
3. teams losing to get a high draft pick
4. nba saleries
5. the current celtics team w kg.

Why? Because they're good? Are they hurting the NBA?

MajorFloridaFan
08-02-2009, 07:18 PM
ads on practice jerseys
the ability for a euro player to get drafted then screw his team and stay or demand a trade
teams that stack thank god the magic are on of them but im shure yall dont like it
they way gush over LBJ
Everyone always says the magic arent the team too beat

Draco
08-02-2009, 07:22 PM
i thought of a 5th reason.. All star weekend and its weak 3 point competition and lame gimmicky dunk contest.

JDMac80
08-02-2009, 07:24 PM
1. Me first attitudes and players interested is their style points before team points
2. Suspect fouls
3. Flopping
4. James Dolan
5. I like LeBron but I hate how he has been anointed before he has any major accomplishments under his belt

DCSportsIsPain
08-02-2009, 07:26 PM
Oscar Robertson averaged a triple double in a league that averaged 125 possessions per game. LeBron is on a team that averages less than 90.
You put LeBron on a team with 125 possessions per game he's going 40-10-10.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=1423

You clearly have gained all your knowledge of 1960s-70s basketball from watching old footage of it without studying the game.

Oh, really? When did the shot clock era begin? 1954-1955. So, today's players are playing with the same rules but taking fewer shots. It isn't because the defense is better.

LeBron touches the ball on every possession, so the number of possessions is literally in his hands. Robertson touched the ball on pretty much every possession as well, so the playing field is level as far as the stat being used here to attempt to prove an invalid point.

Robertson did more in 48 minutes night in and night out than LeBron or Kobe. And while The Big O is an extreme example, even guys like John Stockton are better basketball players. Not scorers necessarily, but better basketball players.

To the original point of this thread, everyone wants to be a scorer today. No one wants to be a basketball player. That is the primary thing I hate about today's NBA. We act like players who have more than one tool are invincible.

MajorFloridaFan
08-02-2009, 07:32 PM
Oh, really? When did the shot clock era begin? 1954-1955. So, today's players are playing with the same rules but taking fewer shots. It isn't because the defense is better.

LeBron touches the ball on every possession, so the number of possessions is literally in his hands. Robertson touched the ball on pretty much every possession as well, so the playing field is level as far as the stat being used here to attempt to prove an invalid point.

Robertson did more in 48 minutes night in and night out than LeBron or Kobe. And while The Big O is an extreme example, even guys like John Stockton are better basketball players. Not scorers necessarily, but better basketball players.

To the original point of this thread, everyone wants to be a scorer today. No one wants to be a basketball player. That is the primary thing I hate about today's NBA. We act like players who have more than one tool are invincible.

Dude you are a hater hater hater.....go watch the euro league man and get out the NBA forum if you hate the NBA and the way it is played peace

LanceUpperCut
08-02-2009, 07:35 PM
People crying over Lebron, the guy turns people on to the game he is by far the most exciting player to watch. I know lakers fans kobe is or Miami fans Wades is.

theuuord
08-02-2009, 07:36 PM
Oh, really? When did the shot clock era begin? 1954-1955. So, today's players are playing with the same rules but taking fewer shots. It isn't because the defense is better.

Okay. Doesn't really mean anything, but okay.


LeBron touches the ball on every possession, so the number of possessions is literally in his hands. Robertson touched the ball on pretty much every possession as well, so the playing field is level as far as the stat being used here to attempt to prove an invalid point.

So, what you're saying is, both of them touched the ball on every possession. Except Oscar played in an era with 30 more possessions per game, which means he had about 2,400 more touches.

You and I are playing against equal defenses, except I'll give you 90 chances to score. I'll take 125. Who do you think scores more?



Robertson did more in 48 minutes night in and night out than LeBron or Kobe. And while The Big O is an extreme example, even guys like John Stockton are better basketball players. Not scorers necessarily, but better basketball players.

Why? Because they were around longer ago? What is this pseudo-nostalgia?

LeBron averages 7 assists, 7 rebounds, a shade under two steals, and a block a game. Seems like he's doing more than just scoring - and on a team that's one of the slowest-paced teams in the NBA, that's remarkable.


To the original point of this thread, everyone wants to be a scorer today. No one wants to be a basketball player. That is the primary thing I hate about today's NBA. We act like players who have more than one tool are invincible.

Neither of the two sentences here that have a point are true. Not everyone wants to be a scorer. People want to score because the team that scores the most points wins, but more often than not players who focus on their individual scoring first are soon de-valued (just look at Allen Iverson).

Players have to be much more multi-faceted these days because of the heightened abilities, training regimens, and larger size of every player in the league (by the way - never knew a person's size was a negative insofar as basketball? Should we ban anyone who can dunk from playing in the NBA?)

I suggest you read the blog I linked. You might learn something.

BWBuffet
08-02-2009, 07:37 PM
I'm really impressed by a seven foot gorilla dunking on a ten foot rim. :rolleyes:
Dr. James Naismith would be so proud of the lack of skill involved.
Trained monkeys can and do play this game now.

Racist, much?

So, you got picked last every gym class; don't be mad.

I bet you tight that ...

My President is black; in fact he's half white
So, even in a racist mind, he's half right
So, if you have a racist mind, you'll be alright
My President is black; but his house is all white

-Shawn Carter

To borrow another line from Jay:

"Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it."

ink
08-02-2009, 07:48 PM
... everyone wants to be a scorer today. No one wants to be a basketball player.

Actually all you have to do is look at the International players to find true basketball players. Guys like Jose Calderon get ripped regularly by Raptors fans because they aren't just scorers. Fans like that ruin the game by misunderstanding the value that player gives to the team. Gasol, Battier, Scola, Manu, all of these guys are "basketball players". Undoubtedly there are American players who don't care about being scorers either, but for the most part I think teams are really starting to look to International players for well-rounded skill sets they don't find in college-trained players.

ink
08-02-2009, 07:50 PM
Dude you are a hater hater hater.....go watch the euro league man and get out the NBA forum if you hate the NBA and the way it is played peace

I disagree with a bunch of the other points, but his last point was legit.

SpeeMN
08-02-2009, 07:53 PM
1) the refs
2) no instant replay for getting a call right
3) lebron james and his ego
4) David Stern Haters
5) foreign players contracts (ricky f-ing rubio's stupid team)

LaKeRs824
08-02-2009, 07:54 PM
1.)espn kissing lebrons ***
2.) lebron kissing lebrons ***
3.) david stern kissing lebrons ***
4.) the "witnesses" kissing lebrons ***
5.) i really dont like lebron :)

SpeeMN
08-02-2009, 07:55 PM
Oscar Averages more than 44 minutes per game in his prime, while getting 125 possessions

BWBuffet
08-02-2009, 07:58 PM
1. Fans who act like players owe them anything.

2. Fans who love the scrubs; but hate the greats.

3. Fans who cant understand why LeBron didn't shake hands after losing to the Magic

4. Excess of flagrant foul calls. They didn't use to be flagrants; why are they now?

5. Flopping, I accept, is part of the game; but it is getting out of hand. (I'm looking at you Varejao)

MPScribbles
08-02-2009, 08:01 PM
SIG-
"Former NBA Player Corie Blount was arrested Dec. 4 after sheriff's deputies intercepted 11 pounds of marijuana sent to him at a relative's house. Investigators said they found another 18 pounds in a subsequent search of his home."

I find that to be hilarious that Corie BLOUNT of all people gets busted for marijuana.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:

MPScribbles
08-02-2009, 08:05 PM
1. Fans who act like players owe them anything.

2. Fans who love the scrubs; but hate the greats.

3. Fans who cant understand why LeBron didn't shake hands after losing to the Magic

4. Excess of flagrant foul calls. They didn't use to be flagrants; why are they now?

5. Flopping, I accept, is part of the game; but it is getting out of hand. (I'm looking at you Varejao)

Oooh, you reminded me of one of mine. Playoffs being officiated differently in any way. The rules don't change in the playoffs so why the hell should the way they are called change?

Oh yea, and the phrase "letting them play" which basically means letting them foul. Either these are the rules or they are not. Call the damn game correctly for all involved at all times or find new jobs, refs.

what54!?
08-02-2009, 08:08 PM
1. Too many fans comparing players to jordan

2. flopping

3. the lack of great new SG's (their all becoming Sf)

4. The lack of dominant Big men

5. All the pissy foul calls and B.S. techs

Hustla23
08-02-2009, 08:10 PM
I hate today's NBA.

I personally find college ball alot more entertaining.

The officiating rules that Stern imposed has destroyed the game of baskeball.

Too many sissy calls and fines and suspensions and other "reprimands" are just completely excessive.

If you watch a game from the 70's to the early 90's, you can observe for yourself what "real basketball" is.

BWBuffet
08-02-2009, 08:32 PM
No. Not at all. Next question.

That's great.

In the future, be mindful of what you type; cause one day you may find yourself, in the wrong place, saying it. And, some one there may hear it; and be kind enough to beat the brakes off your behind. We'd all hate to see that happen. Thanks for being so cooperative. Have a nice day.

smith&wesson
08-02-2009, 08:32 PM
That's not exciting.
lmao
I'd rather see Vince Carter dunk, OR Ray Allen or Kobe Bryant make an amazing jumpshot.

a jump shot over a lebron dunk ?? ok lets get seriouse bro, im not much of a fan of all the 2010 talks that circle around lebron.. i wasnt impressed when he failed to congradulate howard and the magic after losing to them, i dont even think its cool that nike confiscated the tape after bron bron got dunked on ... but you cant deny bron brons talent man, give credit where its due. he is top three in the nba and will be up there for awhile. you cant deny his gift and ability.

DCSportsIsPain
08-02-2009, 08:34 PM
So, what you're saying is, both of them touched the ball on every possession. Except Oscar played in an era with 30 more possessions per game, which means he had about 2,400 more touches.

You and I are playing against equal defenses, except I'll give you 90 chances to score. I'll take 125. Who do you think scores more?



Why did Robertson play in an era with 30 more offensive possessions per game? Same shot clock, same length of games. Maybe it's because The Big O didn't have to wait 10 seconds for 350lb fat ****s like Shaq to make it up the court, park in the key, shoulder everyone out of the way after about seven seconds, and somehow end up at the free throw line.

Why is today's game slower?
Is it because nobody can shoot a mid-range jump shot?
Dunks and 3's. 3's and dunks.
And the game is slower.

You're proving my point for me.
If the majority of players could play a complete game, then there would be more offensive possessions per game BECAUSE it would take less time to score.

Go beyond the numbers and ask why the same shot clock and the same game length since 1954 have led to fewer offensive possessions instead of more? Those changes were supposed to speed the game up, not slow it down. Yet, the team scoring averages are lower than they have been in 25 years or so. Phoenix led the NBA in scoring at 109 points per game last year. In the early 80's, 109 points per game would have lost nearly every game.

I'm about to fall on the floor laughing when someone tries to tell me defense has gotten better.

theuuord
08-02-2009, 09:05 PM
Why did Robertson play in an era with 30 more offensive possessions per game? Same shot clock, same length of games. Maybe it's because The Big O didn't have to wait 10 seconds for 350lb fat ****s like Shaq to make it up the court, park in the key, shoulder everyone out of the way after about seven seconds, and somehow end up at the free throw line.

Why is today's game slower?
Is it because nobody can shoot a mid-range jump shot?
Dunks and 3's. 3's and dunks.
And the game is slower.

Mid range jumpers are by far the most inefficient means of scoring. That's why for the most part people stopped shooting them.

Also, if you're really going to argue that players were actually physically faster back then (as in, athletically more gifted), I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to laugh at you.

Offenses back then were very, very basic. Push the ball, and shoot ASAP. There was very little in the way of strategy - especially compared to today, when every dribble is scrutinized.


You're proving my point for me.
If the majority of players could play a complete game, then there would be more offensive possessions per game BECAUSE it would take less time to score.

So you want more scoring?
But that's what dunks and 3's are - more efficient means of scoring.
But you seem to hate those.

Has your head exploded yet?


Go beyond the numbers and ask why the same shot clock and the same game length since 1954 have led to fewer offensive possessions instead of more? Those changes were supposed to speed the game up, not slow it down. Yet, the team scoring averages are lower than they have been in 25 years or so. Phoenix led the NBA in scoring at 109 points per game last year. In the early 80's, 109 points per game would have lost nearly every game.

The game slowed down as offense became more refined and actual plays were starting to get run more often. Plus, a lot of bad teams realized that giving up 130 points per game (like the early 80s Nuggets) by running and shooting wasn't exactly beneficial to win totals, so they slowed down the pace to give themselves a better chance to win.


I'm about to fall on the floor laughing when someone tries to tell me defense has gotten better.

Do you really think a bunch of unathletic players in the 1950s who allowed Wilt Chamberlain to score 50 points per game were better on defense than Shane Battier and Ron Artest?

Sorry dude, but laughing doesn't make you right.

Teeboy1487
08-02-2009, 09:17 PM
1. The officiating. I just hate the inconsistencies of the refs. It drives me crazy. I also hate how home teams get the benefit of the whistle. The refs should call the game right and I mean right.
2. The Charge call (flopping). That's a rule for college players. Nba players should not be given the stupid luxury of the charge. It's stupid and some nba players take advantage of this rule. The nba should just call a real charge when the offensive player absolutely runs over the defender.
3. No traveling calls on superstars. I get sick of Lebron, Wade, and even Kobe getting away with travel. If I played, they would call it on me in a split second. Those guys are nba players too. They are not above the rules.
4. Zone Defense- I hate it. It's a defense for college players. It should be illegal in the nba. What's the use of driving to the hoop and posting up when players are allowed to zone. You might as well shoot 3s all day.
5. Age Rule- I hate the fact that 18 year old players can not come into the league any more. The two biggest nba stars came out of high school. If you go to college, the nba should make you stay a least two years before opting for the draft. If you are good enough to come in the league at 18, then you should be able to. That's my five biggest problems with the nba.

Missing56&33
08-02-2009, 09:24 PM
1- Lack of passion
2- Lack of desire
3- Overpaid unproven players
4- Stupid hand check rule
5- Too many trades

DetroitRipCity
08-02-2009, 09:36 PM
1. LeBron James being compared to Jordan and Kobe.
2. LeBron James winning MVP and wearing an MVP LBJ shirt.
3. LeBron James dunking 24/7.
4. LeBron James stealing the videotape of him being dunked on.
5. LeBron James shows no sportsmanship towards the Magic and cries.

I HATE LEBRON
He shouldn't be an NBA player PERIOD.

6.) Lebron James crying for not getting a Superstar Call
7.) Lebron James traveling and calling it a "legal" Crab Dribble
8.) Lebron James being called the "King" even though he has no gold(-gold medal)
9.) Lebron James not admitting that it was wrong to not shake the magic's hands (he is supposed to be a role model)
10.) Lebron James and his stupid commercials

I dont Hate Lebron's skill i just hate his actions and personality

jakesmail123
08-02-2009, 10:12 PM
wow there is so many haters out there that just hate lebron.

Hustla23
08-02-2009, 10:20 PM
Do you really think a bunch of unathletic players in the 1950s who allowed Wilt Chamberlain to score 50 points per game were better on defense than Shane Battier and Ron Artest?

Sorry dude, but laughing doesn't make you right.

haha if you turn the clock back 50 years, then you're right.

But let's look back maybe 15 years or so when guys were more or less as athletic as they are now.

Hand checking was rampant and defenders would actually control the offensive player by just directing them wherever they wanted to all over the court.

Nowadays, with no one holding Lebron or Kobe, they have a free pass every time into the lane... where a slight tap awards them a trip to the free throw line.

And lets not even mention what happened down low. Wing players trying to run a route would be sent into the the stands by bigs down low.

With the rules that were present at the time, it was unimaginably hard to score.

That's why Jordan will always have the upper advantage when it comes to being the GOAT. I have no doubt that MJ could have dropped 40 a night in today's game with today's rules.

_KB24_
08-02-2009, 10:23 PM
1. Espn
2. Horrible Calls
3. Kobe Wannabes ( you took a shot at kobe first with the Mj wannabe)
4. horrible all star selections
5. did i mention espn

MPScribbles
08-02-2009, 10:43 PM
1. Espn
2. Horrible Calls
3. Kobe Wannabes ( you took a shot at kobe first with the Mj wannabe)
4. horrible all star selections
5. did i mention espn

LOL. Name one, or is this some childish tit for tat bull****?

DCB/LAL
08-02-2009, 10:52 PM
LOL. Name one, or is this some childish tit for tat bull****?

Yeah why not say Dr. J wanna bes???:rolleyes:

BK-TY
08-02-2009, 11:48 PM
1. Age limit :confused:
2. Charging/foul line in the paint under the basket :mad:
3. Poor/too many foul calls :cry:
4. Hybrid players :(
5. Coach of the year award :rolleyes:

BWBuffet
08-02-2009, 11:53 PM
6.) Lebron James crying for not getting a Superstar Call
7.) Lebron James traveling and calling it a "legal" Crab Dribble
8.) Lebron James being called the "King" even though he has no gold(-gold medal)
9.) Lebron James not admitting that it was wrong to not shake the magic's hands (he is supposed to be a role model)
10.) Lebron James and his stupid commercials

I dont Hate Lebron's skill i just hate his actions and personality


First, LeBron's commercials are hilarious; you're hater stating otherwise

Second, raise your own dang kids. It's not the man on the TV's job to teach your little ones; right from wrong.

Third, LeBron's uber competitive; being a sore loser drives him to do anything in his power lead his team to victory. I don't know about him but me saying congratulations to the victor after losing would be me saying something I didn't mean. That's fake. Real nikkas do real things.

GeorgeMcCloud21
08-03-2009, 12:01 AM
Horrible Refs
Commentary during games on ABC
People thinking LeBron is somehow better than Kobe at this point
Owners not willing to spend to win
The Finals setup of 2-3-2 instead of 2-2-1-1-1

ZebraCity916
08-03-2009, 12:52 AM
1. Horrible refs
2. Stars getting calls just cause their stars
3. Stars running their mouths and not getting technicals cause they're stars
4. Dirty players
5. Ignorant fans

zambo4president
08-03-2009, 12:58 AM
1.LeBron
2.Luxury Tax
3.Not Enough Fights
4.LeBron
5.LeBron

lakerboy
08-03-2009, 01:01 AM
1. Flopping
2. The referees
3. Big men shooting 3s
4. Guards who cant shoot
5. Big men who cant rebound
6. I want more fighting!

ZebraCity916
08-03-2009, 01:09 AM
1.LeBron
2.Luxury Tax
3.Not Enough Fights
4.LeBron
5.LeBron

That's one of the things that are ruining the NBA. There's too much trash talking. If players put the energy from trash talking and trying to fight other players into playing the game, basketball would be a whole lot better.

Players are paid to play basketball, not talk trash and fight. If player want to talk trash and fight they should go into MMA.

ZebraCity916
08-03-2009, 01:14 AM
1. Flopping
2. The referees
3. Big men shooting 3s
4. Guards who cant shoot
5. Big men who cant rebound
6. I want more fighting!

You should probably watch MMA then if that's what you wanna see.

I also hate big men that are 7'0" and do lay-ups. When they lift their arms up they're already like 6 inches or something from the rim. JUST JUMP!!!!!!

bogdanrom
08-03-2009, 01:19 AM
1. The No-contact Rule. I know it will create more points, but it gets ridiculous. And I would rather see a dunk, or a shot then a billion free throws.
2. The referees. But that will never change. Players will always win game, coaches will always lose games, and referees will always ruin them.
3. David Stern. He's done some great things for the NBA but lately he's been losing it. He's worried about pointless things.
4. Superstar Treatment. I HATED it when superstars get calls simply because they're stars.
5. Not having a second division, where teams who finish first go to the NBA, and teams who finish last go to the second division. And the teams moving up get introduced to the lottery.

Basketballguy87
08-03-2009, 01:45 AM
1.Joey Crawford
2.Flopping
3.Foreign players playing on their foreign teams after they have been drafted…Cough… Ricky Rubio and Tiago Splitter!
4.MJ status player talks
5.People saying how good Shaq is going to be playing along side LeBron ugh!!!

xwashableclothx
08-03-2009, 03:37 AM
1. Defensive 3 seconds
2. No hand checking
3. Flopping
4. Flagrant and technical fouls called way to much, nothing wrong with a hard foul
5. To many wistles

let the dudes play, i want to watch people playing basketball, not players shooting 50 free throws and refs constantly going to a monitor

EdGein812
08-03-2009, 03:53 AM
You did a great job other than your god-awful attempt at spelling. I would definitely add flopping to the list, however:clap:

ElMarroAfamado
08-03-2009, 03:57 AM
people that complain about "Star calls"

that nba fans consider ANYBODY that dunks, plays "flashy" and is an amazing offensive talent ...a "michael jordan" wannabe....

that no one will ever be greater than michael jordan even if they win 10 titles the way michael jordan did


lebron james and his legion of fans for a guy who only dunks and his whole game is in the paint

and yes
foreign players suck

uncleben989
08-03-2009, 04:48 AM
1)"crab" dribble
2) fact that kenny smith's mic isnt muted during slam dunk contests
3) bandwagon fans (best example: the celtic fans that appeared outta nowhere in 07-08)
4) heat fans who think they can trade michael beasley for any player of their choice
5) fact that its marketed for superstars and not as a team brand

salimstoudamire
08-03-2009, 04:51 AM
Players getting paid millions of dollars, yet still shoot free throws at a rediculously low percentage. (other than Jose Calderon)

Legitimate
08-03-2009, 05:08 AM
1. Lebron and Dwades getting star calls. Yea I hate Lebron.
2. Players getting too greedy and wanting more money than they're worth.
3. Players in the nba who are WAAY over-paid.
4. David Stern manipulating who wins the Nba finals.
5. Toronto Raptors not getting any respect. (one of the best markets and cities in the nba)
6. No-calls on Lebron.

JayW_1023
08-03-2009, 06:23 AM
1. Ticki-tack fouls.
2. The whole hip-hop culture around basketball (I actually like some hip-hop music however)
3. Too many players who think "big numbers, big contract"
4. Too much emphasis to flashiness, and not enough emphasis on fundamentals
5. Quick triggered refs T'ing up playuers for stupendous reasons. Emotion shouldn't always be punished unless the refs are directly subject of insult.

stawka
08-03-2009, 06:28 AM
Weak foul-calls
Flopping
"Contract year"
Inconsistent Reffing
Jeff Van Gundy
Not physical enough

danidin
08-03-2009, 06:34 AM
Fans...
thats the only problem I have with the NBA

ClipperfanKevin
08-03-2009, 06:37 AM
Whiny ***** players who think they're hot ****
Stupid **** refs who call every touch as a foul
Lack of good defenders

azkarraga
08-03-2009, 06:44 AM
We should go back to the MJ rules, where perimeter D was still perimeter D and the paint was something to be conquered.

Ju-23
08-03-2009, 06:54 AM
flopping!

DCSportsIsPain
08-03-2009, 06:54 AM
Mid range jumpers are by far the most inefficient means of scoring. That's why for the most part people stopped shooting them.

Also, if you're really going to argue that players were actually physically faster back then (as in, athletically more gifted), I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to laugh at you.

Offenses back then were very, very basic. Push the ball, and shoot ASAP. There was very little in the way of strategy - especially compared to today, when every dribble is scrutinized.

So you want more scoring?
But that's what dunks and 3's are - more efficient means of scoring.
But you seem to hate those.

Has your head exploded yet?

The game slowed down as offense became more refined and actual plays were starting to get run more often. Plus, a lot of bad teams realized that giving up 130 points per game (like the early 80s Nuggets) by running and shooting wasn't exactly beneficial to win totals, so they slowed down the pace to give themselves a better chance to win.

Do you really think a bunch of unathletic players in the 1950s who allowed Wilt Chamberlain to score 50 points per game were better on defense than Shane Battier and Ron Artest?

Sorry dude, but laughing doesn't make you right.

Mid-range jumpers are only inefficient because almost nobody can make them.

As far as defense is concerned, Shaq would have been Bill Russell's ***** in any era except the "Special Rules For Special Players" era David Stern created.

Dunks and 3's are only more efficient if players make the shots. Pistol Pete shot 44% for his career. John Stockton shot 51.5% for his career. LeBron is at 47.1% as a forward who gets most of his points on dunks and free throws. Kobe is at 45% as a player who shoots from anywhere.

I don't necessarily hate dunks and 3's.
I hate that the only shots left in basketball are dunks, 3's and free throws.
There's a lot of court between the rim and the free throw line and a lot more court between the free throw line and the 3 point line that is all but unused.

I think we might just have to agree to disagree here.

dumbbaseballfan
08-03-2009, 07:37 AM
1.defensive 3 seconds
2.officiating favoritism
3.games are a glorified pickup game with no defense
4. 16 of 30 teams make playoffs...all 7 game series...playoffs last like 3 months
5. SHAQ

CELTICS4LYFE
08-03-2009, 08:22 AM
The pace....i wanna see games scoring in the 120's 30's regularly

ttam68
08-03-2009, 09:31 AM
Refs

We all know its one of the hardest games to call because of all the rules and all the close, personal contact. Its not possible for three guys in live time to keep up with everything.

So, wouldn't it be better to just let them play?

The players could determine the outcome of games if they either got rid of some of the rules or simply didn't make calls they weren't sure of. But, todays NBA would rather make a questionable call then miss one. This takes away the integrity of the game and the abliity of players to fully control the outcome.

PUT THE ****ING WHISTLES AWAY.

DJ CHACH
08-03-2009, 09:49 AM
i say we put charles oakley in stu jacksons seat..and we make jordan the overseer of everything else

kevin13697
08-03-2009, 10:20 AM
1 Fans who believe MJ can compare to Lebron
2 bad calls, often bias
3 draft lottery
4 too many teams
5 American fans Continously Overating Foreing Players, there shouldn't be any foreign players in the NBA ,freaks of nature 7 + feet tall taking american jobs

kevin13697
08-03-2009, 10:50 AM
theuuord hit the nail on the head as far as different era's go
dcsportsispain seems comical more then anything, do you realize o"niel has 100lb over russell?? and height?? i think u need to let the "good old days" go
the only thing in any sport that made oldschool more entertaining was the fact that there was less teams, so that created more depth to those teams
you need more then just size or a shot to be a star in the NBA today
jason kapono is 1 is the best shooters ever and is far from a star

agoody117
08-03-2009, 11:09 AM
1. star calls -- kobe...lebron
2. star players (there are good players but then there are espn overhyped players)
3. too many fouls. seems like every play there is a foul and always seem to miss the obvious ones
4. lebron james -- hes a prick. hes good. but for christ's sake he is not a god.
5. too commercialized -- nothing you can do about that now all sports are like that

ps. calling the nba champions world champions...sheesh you are not world champions when you lose in the olympics (maybe not the last one but c'mon....)

Lakersfan2483
08-03-2009, 11:51 AM
1. The officiating is awful
2. The Zone defense
3. Flopping
4. Marketing of certain player(s) that have not earned it
5. ESPN and ABC's coverage of the NBA

uncleben989
08-03-2009, 12:06 PM
5 American fans Continously Overating Foreing Players, there shouldn't be any foreign players in the NBA ,freaks of nature 7 + feet tall taking american jobs

lol i smell a hater. haters were a close number 5 for me btw

TheGreenMonster
08-03-2009, 12:18 PM
1. Players staying for 20 minutes on a team.
2. Lebron and the firm grip the media's mouth has around his penis.
3. Yi Jian Lian getting close to the allstar game
4. Jerkoffs like Jay-Z Trying to steal my Nets away!
5. International bums being passed off as big time talent.

bigsams50
08-03-2009, 12:37 PM
1. Flopping
2. Flopping
3. Flopping
4. Flopping
5. Flopping

theuuord
08-03-2009, 01:44 PM
Mid-range jumpers are only inefficient because almost nobody can make them.

No, they're inefficient because they're the minimum amount of points you can make on one shot, and they almost never result in free throw opportunities.

Midrange game isn't something that's only sacred to the past. Very few players have ever had a great midrange game.


As far as defense is concerned, Shaq would have been Bill Russell's ***** in any era except the "Special Rules For Special Players" era David Stern created.

Not sure what you mean here... David Stern doesn't make superstar calls, nor is he the only person that decides NBA rules.


Dunks and 3's are only more efficient if players make the shots. Pistol Pete shot 44% for his career. John Stockton shot 51.5% for his career. LeBron is at 47.1% as a forward who gets most of his points on dunks and free throws. Kobe is at 45% as a player who shoots from anywhere.

For what it's worth, Kobe shot 44% on midrange jumpers last year - an above average mark in the league (and, for what it's worth, the league average wasn't much better or worse than the historical averages). If an offense was solely Kobe shooting midrange jumpers for an entire season, you'd have what's going to be the worst offense in the NBA by a wide margin.


I don't necessarily hate dunks and 3's.
I hate that the only shots left in basketball are dunks, 3's and free throws.
There's a lot of court between the rim and the free throw line and a lot more court between the free throw line and the 3 point line that is all but unused.

I think we might just have to agree to disagree here.

I think you're overstating just how much the NBA uses dunks and 3's, but the reason they're used is, again, they're the most efficient means of scoring. This is a multi-billion dollar industry where every dribble is scrutinized to no end. As a professional, you want to play the probabilities as much as possible.

NenadKristic12
08-03-2009, 02:06 PM
#1-5: knick fans thinking there going to get all the free agents

MAC8004
08-03-2009, 02:15 PM
1. Any poser who wears 23 and thinks he's MJ
2. Star calls
3. Floppers
4. Lack of dominant centers
5. Star players getting traded for Happy Meals a la Pau to LA

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-03-2009, 02:33 PM
Bad officiating... i miss the bigs, like Pat and Hakeem...

The NBA today doesn't really have that Center who can take over the game by himself like they could.

superkegger
08-03-2009, 05:19 PM
the celtics

jj1
08-03-2009, 08:21 PM
? KG, Sheed, Bosh, bargnani, Brand, Lopez,Dwight,Horford, Chandler,Okafor,Gasol,Stou,Griffin,Td,Ming,Jfferso n, Dirk, Ak,Boozer.......

What i find funny is first all of u consider bargnani, ak47, and blake griffin who hasnt played a game yet quality bigs and the fatc u typed bargani 4th and u waited 6 players ot put the best big man dwight...also u forgot shaq

_KB24_
08-03-2009, 09:11 PM
LOL. Name one, or is this some childish tit for tat bull****?

Oh there are a few junior, theres that guy from Akron......What's his name? I believe number 23;)

BornAYankee23
08-03-2009, 09:12 PM
Officiating.

DaddyCool
08-03-2009, 10:01 PM
1) Pau Gasol
2) Jose Calderon
3) Marc Gasol
4) Rudy Fernandez
5) Any other Spanish player I forgot.

Just for you Crooner. :D

And btw I was just kidding. No need for everyone to accuse me of being a racist.

evadatam5150
08-03-2009, 10:39 PM
1 Star Calls

2 MJ Wannabees

3 Fans rating players for their flasiness and their scoring not mattering how much they shoot or hurt their teams.

3,b The infuence of Comertials and brands on that way of rating players.

4 GOod teams bypassing rules and stacking up, like Mcdyess back to pustons last years stars accetign bs contracts teams making trades only for expirings etc etc.

5 American fans Continously underating Foreing Players.

1. The Celtics
2. Paul Pierce
3. Ignorant homers
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Too many time outs

Pretty much in that order..

jrodmesche
08-03-2009, 10:39 PM
1. some Euros they anoy me for example (sasha)
2. strict rules
3. cap
4. the Lakers
5. refs making sucky calls

wileyisTOFU
08-03-2009, 10:53 PM
over officiating

carlo
08-03-2009, 11:06 PM
I dislike the "all star game" plus the activities. Outside of the 3 pt shooting contest and the slam dunk contest the whole thing is a big giant waste, as far as I'm concerned.

I dislike Lebron throwing the powder up in the air before gametime (while we're piling on Lebron ...lol).

I dislike the fact that they don't use modern technology to get the calls right.

I dislike that a team must have 15 players on contract, yet can only dress 12 or 13 of them. WTF is that about ..... union crap ?

I dislike the "jump ball"....... possession please ?

D-Will4Prez
08-04-2009, 12:51 AM
1. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
2. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
3. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
4. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
5. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.

Seriously, this is gay. Jumping into the defender should be a foul on the opposer if anything.

Vinny642
08-04-2009, 12:58 AM
1. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
2. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
3. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
4. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
5. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.

Seriously, this is gay. Jumping into the defender should be a foul on the opposer if anything.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Raps18-19 Champ
08-04-2009, 12:59 AM
1. The man love for guys like Lebron, Kobe, Wade and other stars.
2. The hate for Lebron, Kobe, Wade and other stars.
3. The under appreciation of stars that work their *** off and don't get the attention they should get like Joe Johnson, Tim Duncan, and more.
4. The hype of guys who haven't even completely proven themselves.
5. Fans devaluing a player because of the way they play, where they are from or what team they are on.

cmellofan15
08-04-2009, 01:04 AM
I love the Nugget but I don't like that there are 29 other teams in the league...****in' blows

bogdanrom
08-04-2009, 02:31 AM
1 Fans who believe MJ can compare to Lebron
2 bad calls, often bias
3 draft lottery
4 too many teams
5 American fans Continously Overating Foreing Players, there shouldn't be any foreign players in the NBA ,freaks of nature 7 + feet tall taking american jobs


Fans who believe MJ can compare to Lebron

That means Lebron is better than MJ. And if you think that you need to get check out.


American fans Continously Overating Foreing Players, there shouldn't be any foreign players in the NBA ,freaks of nature 7 + feet tall taking american jobs

Are you kidding me you racist ****. You should be banned for the stupid things you say.

viictoor
08-04-2009, 02:52 AM
ron artest
tim duncan
tony parker
ron artest
and tim duncan

Big Game Son
08-04-2009, 03:27 AM
I dislike 2 things.

1. The fact that lower playoff seeded teams GENERALLY are completely out of it early. Why the Golden State thing was SUCH a big deal. Lower seed teams never have a shot and even if they do get to game 7's its 90% a write-off.
2. The same teams being competitors and some teams honestly just pointlessly being an organization without goals (i choose to not say names thats unfair to fans). I love the NFL for that reason. Obviously u get some 'always' good team in any sport, but I find the NBA has issues with 'certain' teams making sketchy trades or just buying it up. Not like the MLB but still.....sometimes i feel it hinders the development of the game.

J-Relo
08-04-2009, 03:35 AM
I dislike 2 things.

1. The fact that lower playoff seeded teams GENERALLY are completely out of it early. Why the Golden State thing was SUCH a big deal. Lower seed teams never have a shot and even if they do get to game 7's its 90% a write-off.



it's how it works... if you were worse in those 82 games - you got worse seed... be better - get better...

IAMLordRaider
08-04-2009, 03:38 AM
1. Three point line should be moved further back so players will develop mid range games.
2. Fake Offensive foul call (sliding in front of a person), it's almost impossible to get an offensive foul according to the rule.
3. Don't like the fact some little guy can come inside (for instance Iverson against Shaq) and draw a foul on a big man because of body contact but we know he can't jump high enough to go over him. It's a bail out.
4. Flaggrant foul rule, the game is about respecting territory and intimidation. If you are going to come inside, you better be strong enough to get off the ground.
5. Get an age limit, make these kids stay in college at least 3 years. Most kids would be better players if they would do their 4 years of college. They come in the league, most can't shoot a simple free throw or shoot period. The only practice they do is dunking.

I have alot more but you said 5

Big Game Son
08-04-2009, 03:38 AM
it's how it works... if you were worse in those 82 games - you got worse seed... be better - get better...

That is so easy to say. Im saying its structured for them to lose. its a very elitist system. In other sports upsets are MUCH MORE frequent. I jus believe the NBA is a lil scewed here. Actually I found a great source that kind of created my view on this. Surprisingl (to me anyway) MLB isnt so bad after all.......

It's a paper about sport competitiveness.
http://cnls.lanl.gov/~ebn/pubs/sports/sports.pdf

IAMLordRaider
08-04-2009, 03:43 AM
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
jeeezzz, you act like Kobe created it. Karl Malone & the Jazz, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Isaiah Thomas just too name a few was doing this way before Kobe.

asandhu23
08-04-2009, 04:04 AM
Things i hate about NBA.

1. David Stern rigging the nba drafts in favor of huge markets. ( Blake Griffin, Patrick Ewing? )
2. David Stern telling his refs to make the 2002 Sacramento Kings lose so that a bigger market LA Lakers could attract more people.
3. LeBron James acting like he is the King of NBA when his stats are inflated because of the lack of dependable team mates in closing minutes of a game. Mo Williams' stats are inflated because of the same thing.
4. Lack of defense in NBA save for a few players like KG, Dwight Howard and Kobe.
5. Unsportsmanlike conduct. ahem Shaq and Bruce Bowen
6. Ridiculous players calling out other players to raise their own stock. Ahem Brandon Jennings.
7. Anthony Morrow not getting to go to All Star game just because he was undrafted and had higher accuracy than most of the people who did participate.
8. Asking us to pay to watch NBA Summer League.
9. the fact that they took away Seattle's beloved Sonics.
10. the fact that we can't actually see the ping pong balls from the draft as they pop out.... indicating Stern loves rigging it all up

and finally: on NBA TV there is always either a Boston Celtic versus Lakers game, Jordan's Bulls championship games and last year's playoff. I am effing tired of this. SHOW OTHER GAMES DAMMIT. I want to see the old classic Philadelphia Warriors versus Bill Russell's Celtic's matchup or Wilt's Lakers versus Jabbar's Bucks. dammit they need help with their programming

PBG
08-04-2009, 05:23 AM
inconsistency with the refs.
all the ridiculous flopping.
everyone being such pansys.

bigsams50
08-04-2009, 08:44 AM
extremely large contracts

S-Dot
08-04-2009, 08:59 AM
1. NBA Drafts are rigged
2. Too many Jordan comparisons or whether someone will pass MJ.
3. Flopping
4. Refs become dominated by certain teams or players
5. Inconsistency with Flagrant Foul calls.

#1Mavericksfan
08-04-2009, 09:24 AM
Things i hate about NBA.

1. David Stern rigging the nba drafts in favor of huge markets. ( Blake Griffin, Patrick Ewing? )
2. David Stern telling his refs to make the 2002 Sacramento Kings lose so that a bigger market LA Lakers could attract more people.
3. LeBron James acting like he is the King of NBA when his stats are inflated because of the lack of dependable team mates in closing minutes of a game. Mo Williams' stats are inflated because of the same thing.
4. Lack of defense in NBA save for a few players like KG, Dwight Howard and Kobe.
5. Unsportsmanlike conduct. ahem Shaq and Bruce Bowen
6. Ridiculous players calling out other players to raise their own stock. Ahem Brandon Jennings.
7. Anthony Morrow not getting to go to All Star game just because he was undrafted and had higher accuracy than most of the people who did participate.
8. Asking us to pay to watch NBA Summer League.
9. the fact that they took away Seattle's beloved Sonics.
10. the fact that we can't actually see the ping pong balls from the draft as they pop out.... indicating Stern loves rigging it all up

and finally: on NBA TV there is always either a Boston Celtic versus Lakers game, Jordan's Bulls championship games and last year's playoff. I am effing tired of this. SHOW OTHER GAMES DAMMIT. I want to see the old classic Philadelphia Warriors versus Bill Russell's Celtic's matchup or Wilt's Lakers versus Jabbar's Bucks. dammit they need help with their programming


:worthy::worthy::worthy::worthy:

Mile High Champ
08-04-2009, 11:23 AM
Got a few for me..

-All Star weekend, the whole thing is just plain awful..
-All Star players getting all the calls
-Can't play aggresive defense
-Players travelling every single posession
-Fans talking about the worth and ability of players they have never seen play once
-Ignorance and hate for players born outside the united states
-Flashy dunks are better than a skilled 15 foot bank shot
-Ego's of many NBA stars
-Sportsmanship has gone out the window (example KG)
-Small Market teams not getting media attention ever, even when they are winning
-How things like Twitter, myspace and facebook have made nba players wannabe celebrities posting about their daily life every minute

jrodmesche
08-04-2009, 12:30 PM
^ why are u an NBA fan, it sounds like you would rather watch a Spurs practice then an NBA game. O and Flashy dunks and "skilled" 15 foot bank shots count as the same number of points so i dont know what you are whining about, people just get more exited when somoene dunks it because they should.

kbaxter34
08-04-2009, 12:44 PM
1. Soft play
2. Officiating
3. Draft Lottery
4. Player Contracts
5. Fines and Suspensions

t_money25
08-04-2009, 01:05 PM
1. The Referees
2. The Refs
3. The Comissioner
4. Bullsh*t Calls
5. Oh I forgot THE REFS!!!!

Unruly Fan
08-04-2009, 01:44 PM
1. Desperate players stacking up on one team in hopes of winning a ring.
2. Kobe Bryant.
3. LeBron being ridiculed for every small little thing while Kobe sexually assaults women and its all good now.
4. Bad officiating.
5. Diva-like players.

JayW_1023
08-04-2009, 01:49 PM
I hate the whole Blacktop Dime Magazine culture and how it's discredits any player who doesn't pound his chest, is covered in tattoo's or aims to make Sportscenter.

MPScribbles
08-04-2009, 08:36 PM
1. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
2. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
3. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
4. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.
5. Kobe faking a jump shot, then jumping into defender for the foul.

Seriously, this is gay. Jumping into the defender should be a foul on the opposer if anything.

D-Will4Prez and I are officially friends! I have hated that call forever and have always argued that it should be an offensive foul. Also, your screen name is D-Will and he is currently my favorite player in the league. It is official. :D

MPScribbles
08-04-2009, 08:37 PM
D-Will4Prez could only be cooler if he had a great disdain for Kobe.

blastmasta26
08-04-2009, 09:26 PM
1. LeBron and Kobe dickriding
2. Biased officiating
3. Dominant offensive players that don't defend
4. Flopping
5. No instant replay for close calls

Vinny642
08-04-2009, 09:38 PM
jeeezzz, you act like Kobe created it. Karl Malone & the Jazz, Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Isaiah Thomas just too name a few was doing this way before Kobe.

Sry but I wasnt alive or capable of know what was going on when they played. But I see Kobe doing it and its annoying.

Vinny642
08-04-2009, 09:40 PM
D-Will4Prez and I are officially friends! I have hated that call forever and have always argued that it should be an offensive foul. Also, your screen name is D-Will and he is currently my favorite player in the league. It is official. :D

:D:clap:
Haha lol yea I dont hate him now for putting down CP3's play but that statement he made should be post of the year.

magichatnumber9
08-04-2009, 09:41 PM
I hate Soccer's influence on basketball. You can take that anyway you want

nbaguy123
08-04-2009, 10:24 PM
1.players all about the money
2.unintelligent, biased, officiating
3.flopping, this isn't soccer
4.a really soft era
5.weak defensive teams
6.stern
7.media talking about the same 5-6 teams

col
08-04-2009, 10:46 PM
To Many teams in the League with watered down talent like Baseball, Football etc. So many Nba teams are losing money. Cut your loses,pair down the League. Put a beter product on the court. The Nba is rolling back their payroll due to too many teams that the fans do not support. Time to make changes..

MPScribbles
08-04-2009, 11:46 PM
:D:clap:
Haha lol yea I dont hate him now for putting down CP3's play but that statement he made should be post of the year.

You're cool with me too, Vinny. We should start a club of people that hate that foul call. ;)

MPScribbles
08-04-2009, 11:52 PM
Oh there are a few junior, theres that guy from Akron......What's his name? I believe number 23;)

LeBron grew up idolizing Jordan, wears 23, and is currently a better player than Kobe. That doesn't qualify him to be a Kobe wannabee. He doesn't emulate Kobe's game at all. He doesn't jock Kobe's persona like Kobe has Mike. He does nothing that leads anyone that isn't a die hard Kobe apologist that he has any desire to be like Kobe.

_KB24_
08-06-2009, 07:12 PM
and is currently a better player than Kobe

Offensive- Kobe > Lebron
Defensive- Kobe > Lebron

ink
08-06-2009, 07:34 PM
Offensive- Kobe > Lebron
Defensive- Kobe > Lebron

Devastating proof man. I've never seen the argument made so convincingly.

:rolleyes:

Vinny642
08-06-2009, 07:40 PM
Devastating proof man. I've never seen the argument made so convincingly.

:rolleyes:

Yea that argument deserves post of the year.

theuuord
08-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Devastating proof man. I've never seen the argument made so convincingly.

:rolleyes:

Wait dude, check out my counter-argument.

Offense - Kobe < LeBron
Defense - Kobe < LeBron

AWW SNAP! YOU SEE WHAT I DID!?!??!??!?!?!?

ink
08-06-2009, 07:44 PM
Yea that argument deserves post of the year.

:nod:

The "greater than" and "less than" signs have to be retired from player comparisons.

Reasons > "greater than" signs.

ink
08-06-2009, 07:46 PM
Wait dude, check out my counter-argument.

Offense - Kobe < LeBron
Defense - Kobe < LeBron

AWW SNAP! YOU SEE WHAT I DID!?!??!??!?!?!?

haha

Vinny642
08-06-2009, 07:49 PM
Lebrons offense is better then kobe's right now though, the only offense Kobe has over Lebron is shooting. o0o yea and pump faking and jumping into the defender and getting those calls, but lebron gets his fair share of calls,

faridk89
08-06-2009, 08:00 PM
1 Star Calls

2 MJ Wannabees

3 Fans rating players for their flasiness and their scoring not mattering how much they shoot or hurt their teams.

3,b The infuence of Comertials and brands on that way of rating players.

4 GOod teams bypassing rules and stacking up, like Mcdyess back to pustons last years stars accetign bs contracts teams making trades only for expirings etc etc.

5 American fans Continously underating Foreing Players.

+1
but my number 2 would be the salary cap system (how it benefits teams like the lakers) and kills teams like the raptors

faridk89
08-06-2009, 08:01 PM
Lebrons offense is better then kobe's right now though, the only offense Kobe has over Lebron is shooting. o0o yea and pump faking and jumping into the defender and getting those calls, but lebron gets his fair share of calls,

i rather give kobe the ball with 5 seconds on the clock then lebron....

what54!?
08-06-2009, 08:03 PM
Lebrons offense is better then kobe's right now though, the only offense Kobe has over Lebron is shooting. o0o yea and pump faking and jumping into the defender and getting those calls, but lebron gets his fair share of calls,I'm suprised the ball doesn't get T'ed up when it nounces back on lebron

AirJordan23
08-06-2009, 08:03 PM
The current league is TRASH. I mean last season I didn't watch more than 40 games in total. (30+ of them being Denver games).

I would like to say that I grew up watching 90s basketball. The NBA on NBC was the *****. The way it was broadcasted, the way it was played, the passion, emotion; it was just great to watch. But, as a kid you have a different perspective and reason for watching games. You watch it for fun, for the flash and entertainment and the 90s damn sure fullfilled it. That was the golden time for basketball for me. I loved all the thrillers, the classics, the physical play, the scoring bursts, the posters but as you get older you tend to comprehend basketball. Watching some of the games now, you don't enjoy them as much as you did as a kid. I think this is part of the reason I don't like basketball as much anymore. Add the fact that the league is just not the same anymore due to the lack of physical play, touch fouls, very few players having passion, showing their emotion and playing their *** off every night. I was watching game 5 of the '93 Clippers/Rockets series yesterday and it was one heck of a game (Thanks to Da_Realist!). You saw the emotion, the intensity of the game and players giving it their all. The Summit erupted after the Rockets won and mind you, that was the first round. Heck, the Clippers gave it their all and came back from 16 to nearly tieing it in the 4th. I don't see that kinda passion in today's league.

Heck, I used to love the gritty defensive series like Indiana/Knicks, Heat/Knicks, Bulls/Knicks etc and they weren't very pleasing to watch for the casual fan since they weren't high scoring games. But, the atmoshpere, the level of play made it awesome to watch. You had a lot of clutching and grabbing, low FG%, brawls, pushing and shoving but most of the games went right down to the wire and you knew there was something new in store for you. The players weren't pampered or prima dona's like most of the stars in today's league. They kept it real and let their games do the talking. And then you had the amazing *** intros (Bob Costas!) which are pathetic in today's game thanks to ABC. TNT is half decent. You had rivalries which I fail to see today. There was bad blood between players and I don't see anything of that sort today...What's the best rivalry in today's game? ...Whatever it is, doesn't compare to some of the rivalries in the 90s. Also, big men dominating the league is another thing I miss. Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Shaq, Mutombo, Zo. Heck, you can throw Sabonis in there. A late 90s Sabonis putting up 16/10 would probably be the second best center in the league today now that Yao's out. Today's rules have a lot to do with that along with very little amount of skilled big men. There isn't a lot of fundamental play. A lot more isos and the trash that is zone defense has been introduced. Zone can easily be picked apart by ball movement, moving off ball but players today fail to realize that. The IQ is pathetic on so many levels. Also, the '92, '94 and '96 Dream teams were a blast to watch.

Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double or just short of a triple double for an entire season five times in his career while averaging 30 points per game.

Kobe and LeBron couldn't hold his jockstrap.

Most players today couldn't get a triple-double by accident, and even those who could don't score anywhere near 30 points in the process.

I reiterate: This dunk and 3 crap is not basketball.

What a joke. It's people like you who brag about how good players from the 50s and 60s were while failing to put things into context. You use your precious little tool (basketballreference) and act like you know everything. Oscar PUT UP THOSE NUMBERS DUE TO PACE. He doesn't put up those numbers in today's game. And a peak Kobe and LeBron are better than Oscar. Oscar is the same man who only had 1 50 win season as a leader, won a championship as the 2nd fiddle to Kareem, his pace adjusted stats aren't better than Kobe's or Bron's. I hate the TRASH that is PER but I'll bring it up. Note: PER doesn't factor defense or heart or hustle and things like that.

Oscar's PER In his GOAT triple double season: 27.6

Turnover, steals and blocks weren't recorded in his era but it has to be noted that guards who handled the ball as much as Oscar had more turnovers than steals so that is actually helping Oscar's case.

Kobe and LeBron have both recorded higher PERs and they are better defensively. Oscar was a pioneer which is why he's regarded so highly but he isn't better than Kobe or Lebron. He is what top 20 all time, top 15 at best.

I bet you also think Wilt could put up 50 PPG in today's league and Russell is the GOAT.

DetroitRipCity
08-06-2009, 08:04 PM
First, LeBron's commercials are hilarious; you're hater stating otherwise

Second, raise your own dang kids. It's not the man on the TV's job to teach your little ones; right from wrong.

Third, LeBron's uber competitive; being a sore loser drives him to do anything in his power lead his team to victory. I don't know about him but me saying congratulations to the victor after losing would be me saying something I didn't mean. That's fake. Real nikkas do real things.

spoken like a true dumbass and sore loser

Vinny642
08-06-2009, 08:05 PM
i rather give kobe the ball with 5 seconds on the clock then lebron....

I'd rather CP but that has nothing to do with anything.

faridk89
08-06-2009, 08:10 PM
I'd rather CP but that has nothing to do with anything.

well when some1 says i think person A is better on offense, and i say i rather have person B with the ball with 5 seconds left, that means i think that person B has better offense....

Vinny642
08-06-2009, 08:12 PM
well when some1 says i think person A is better on offense, and i say i rather have person B with the ball with 5 seconds left, that means i think that person B has better offense....

But person C isnt better on offense then either A or B but is more efficient and I'd want him with the ball

faridk89
08-06-2009, 08:17 PM
But person C isnt better on offense then either A or B but is more efficient and I'd want him with the ball

efficiency is part of being good on offense.... i mean its part of the formula that makes a player good with the ball isnt it?

Vinny642
08-06-2009, 08:18 PM
efficiency is part of being good on offense.... i mean its part of the formula that makes a player good with the ball isnt it?

Yea but if I say Cp is more better offensively then Kobe and Lebron I'd get ripped

postman47
08-06-2009, 08:19 PM
Today's game for the most part is no longer a team sport. It's all about individual players trying to get on the highlight real.

faridk89
08-06-2009, 08:20 PM
Yea but if I say Cp is more better offensively then Kobe and Lebron I'd get ripped

you would because he's not...

Vinny642
08-06-2009, 08:22 PM
you would because he's not...

I know!!!!!!!!!!! LOL god. But CP3 is more efficient.

faridk89
08-06-2009, 08:26 PM
I know!!!!!!!!!!! LOL god. But CP3 is more efficient.

ok before we start going in circles, your telling me you think cp3 is more clutch then kobe and lebron?

Vinny642
08-06-2009, 08:29 PM
ok before we start going in circles, your telling me you think cp3 is more clutch then kobe and lebron?

No I think he is close but no. But I'd want him over them two.

BigSims3030
08-06-2009, 08:31 PM
1. refs
2. lack of passion for the game
3. fans not letting the Pau Gasol trade go
4. lack of teamwork
5. The Kobe-Shaq feud

BULLSDROSE1
08-06-2009, 08:34 PM
1.Refs
2.Cocky players
3.Cant hand check
4.Lack Defense
5.Cry Babys like Rasheed Wallace

GeorgeMcCloud21
08-06-2009, 10:08 PM
Nobody else hates the 2-3-2 Finals schedule?
As opposed to 2-2-1-1-1?

AK23
08-06-2009, 10:44 PM
1.kobe
2.stupid calls[lakers-rockets series] for short laker officails
3.3 seconds in the lane
4.overatted players
5.and offseason prodictions

mdabstar
08-06-2009, 10:52 PM
all i hate is how superstars get such weak *** calls.

jim51990
08-06-2009, 11:01 PM
1. kobe
2. kobe
3. kobe
4. kobe
5. kobe

MPScribbles
08-06-2009, 11:10 PM
Offensive- Kobe > Lebron
Defensive- Kobe > Lebron

I can't rip you any better than those guys already did so I won't try. LOL, guys.

What I will do is ask you, again, to name some Kobe wannabees. I know that you are not the guy that originally said that dumb crap but since all you Kobe fanboys seem to be interchangeable, please let's see your list. I will admit that they are probably coming but you guys claim that the league is apparently rampant with them already. Plus you, or the other you, called me junior as if being condescending is the same as making a point. So please, please, please oh wise Kobe fan (see I figure if I be nice then maybe one of you will actually attempt to answer the question, at which time I will totally rip you) supply the good people of PSD with this lengthy list of Kobe wannabees. Here is the hard part, provide some sort of proof that even slightly supports your position.

AntwanN21
08-06-2009, 11:27 PM
5 things...........


1)Star treatment calls( you touch Lebron and its a foul)
2) Too many uncalled travels,double dribles in other words bad reffining
3) The three in the key rule
4)Finals format 2-3-2
5) Wish there were more games

bogdanrom
08-07-2009, 12:52 AM
Actually there's another rule that pisses me off, the one where you have to keep your palm on top of the ball all the time. The reason is because everyone violates the rule at least one time where it's not called. It's too hard for referees to see it. Plus it is almost impossible to dribble like that all the time. And if did it will slow up everything. And if it was called every time then teams would average like 20 or 30 turnovers per game.

GoatMilk
08-07-2009, 12:53 AM
chris paul's special move.

he jumps into the opposition. literally throws himself, and the opponent gets the foul!

it's BS, i hate it

KobeBeatJeeesus
08-07-2009, 04:08 AM
1. Tattoos
2. Mostly uneducated or classless thugs throwing a ball around compared to the past generation of classy players (think lebron, kenyon martin, KG, jr smith, etc)
3.lebron
4.Somewhat meaningless allstar game
5. Players having too much power

KobeBeatJeeesus
08-07-2009, 04:17 AM
+1
but my number 2 would be the salary cap system (how it benefits teams like the lakers) and kills teams like the raptors

Tell the Raptors to start winning games and maybe they can make some more money. If that team gets anymore European they're gonna start playing home games in Spain.

asandhu23
08-07-2009, 04:32 AM
Tell the Raptors to start winning games and maybe they can make some more money. If that team gets anymore European they're gonna start playing home games in Spain.

you mean italy?

blazerman
08-07-2009, 04:38 AM
Not too thirsty today Hellcrooner, hum.

Your grammer was actually good for once.

Now my list

1) players make millions upon millions a yr

2)just about any player even the dorks get to or have knocked a chunk off some hot *** chearleader

3)If a player gets caught cheating on his wife, he is forgiven a week later

4)Marco Jaric got Adrianna Lima (thus proves my point about dorks and hot women, lucky, lucky prick). He missed like 20 straight shots after he returned from his honeymoon(good thing he was a member of the Grizzlies), well If I was in his shoes Id have probably gotten waived because the last thing I'd have been thinking about is basketball after honeymooning with her, damn I might waive myself for the rest of the season to take a second honeymoon!

5) This trumps the other 4, "Im not in the NBA". What a life it must be especially for Jaric, I hate that guy.

gr824
08-07-2009, 07:33 AM
Mid range jumpers are by far the most inefficient means of scoring. That's why for the most part people stopped shooting them.

Also, if you're really going to argue that players were actually physically faster back then (as in, athletically more gifted), I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to laugh at you.

Offenses back then were very, very basic. Push the ball, and shoot ASAP. There was very little in the way of strategy - especially compared to today, when every dribble is scrutinized.



So you want more scoring?
But that's what dunks and 3's are - more efficient means of scoring.
But you seem to hate those.

Has your head exploded yet?



The game slowed down as offense became more refined and actual plays were starting to get run more often. Plus, a lot of bad teams realized that giving up 130 points per game (like the early 80s Nuggets) by running and shooting wasn't exactly beneficial to win totals, so they slowed down the pace to give themselves a better chance to win.



Do you really think a bunch of unathletic players in the 1950s who allowed Wilt Chamberlain to score 50 points per game were better on defense than Shane Battier and Ron Artest?

Sorry dude, but laughing doesn't make you right.

Wilt Chamberlain played about two months of his 14-season NBA career "in the 1950's", so what exactly is your point ? If you think that NBA players during Wilt's career were "unathletic" [ sic ], then you obviously know nothing about the NBA of the Sixties and Seventies ... :pity:

ryanXpress
08-07-2009, 08:21 AM
1. How the game has become a business and more of a show than an actual game and how superstars like LBJ and Kobe receive special treatment by David Stern and the Refs and are some what protected and can do no wrong. I mean Lebron is a cry baby, poor sport, immature and a sad excuse for a face of a franchise and Kobe.. is a rapist!

2. Floppers- nothing pisses me off more than to see these girly players making a living off of flopping.

3. How the word team has gone out the window, individual players compete by who is on SportsCenter and who gets the most endorsement deals and now the best team is one good player surrounded by average players.

4. Poor Officiating

5. David Stern

NANDOKNICK
08-07-2009, 08:51 AM
1) Donnie Walsh

2) D Antonni

3) Nepotism,,,Galanari Pick

4) Fact Robinson and Lee are still unsigned

5) Ramon Session Stall...or fact Knicks never looked at
Marcus Williams at a time they needed a point guard

SeoulBeatz
08-07-2009, 09:57 AM
1) Rigged games... like wtf?

2) touchy fouls. let the men play

3) ....flopping!

4) Worshiping of Kobe and Lebron while players who are AMAZING as well (a la Dwyane Wade, Carmelo Anthony to name a couple) get left in the dust.

5) not enough defense.

rjvacad
08-07-2009, 10:02 AM
1 Star Calls

2 MJ Wannabees

3 Fans rating players for their flasiness and their scoring not mattering how much they shoot or hurt their teams.

3,b The infuence of Comertials and brands on that way of rating players.

4 GOod teams bypassing rules and stacking up, like Mcdyess back to pustons last years stars accetign bs contracts teams making trades only for expirings etc etc.

5 American fans Continously underating Foreing Players.

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