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arkanian215
07-29-2009, 10:28 AM
Taking into account upside, stats, injuries etc.

S-Dot
07-29-2009, 10:31 AM
1. Dwight
2. Al jefferson
3. Andris Biedrins
4. Andrei Barg
5. Brooke Lopez

arkanian215
07-29-2009, 10:33 AM
biedrins is a bit overrated in my opinion. but he's still ahead of bargnani.

CELTICS4LYFE
07-29-2009, 10:36 AM
perkins!!! :D

S-Dot
07-29-2009, 10:42 AM
biedrins is a bit overrated in my opinion. but he's still ahead of bargnani.

He does alot for Golden State, i think he fairly ranks 3rd in this poll...Lopez will be #3 soon IMO

arkanian215
07-29-2009, 10:45 AM
i dunno i think the way they have that offense set up allows him to grab more oreb's than he normally would be able to in a slower paced setup.

asandhu23
07-29-2009, 11:08 AM
i dunno i think the way they have that offense set up allows him to grab more oreb's than he normally would be able to in a slower paced setup.

dude hes the closest thing to a center on the team and he gets double doubles

uncblue2332
07-29-2009, 11:20 AM
1. Dwight
2. Al Jeff
3. Bynum
4. Biedrins
5. Brooke Lopez

Bargnani is so over rated its redunkulous...5 rpg from a C? hah he cant be in the top 5 at all.

Relentless Ray
07-29-2009, 11:23 AM
1. Dwight Howard
2. Al Jefferson
3. Bynum
4. Biedrins
5. Lopez

bigsams50
07-29-2009, 11:26 AM
1.Dhoward
2.Al Jefferson
3.Biedrins
4.Bynum
5.Perkins

datpif
07-29-2009, 11:30 AM
Howard
Bargnani
Bynum
Biedrins
Lopez

I consider Jefferson a 4

uncblue2332
07-29-2009, 11:30 AM
1.Dhoward
2.Al Jefferson
3.Biedrins
4.Bynum
5.Perkins

Perk has absolutely no offensive game and is a bit over rated..if he doesnt get the block his man scores. It either hit and miss with him w/o KG in the lineup. You gotta give that spot to lopez

Corey
07-29-2009, 11:30 AM
I don't care what he plays, I can't honestly call Al Jefferson a center. He's the perfect build for a power forward, and that's what he came up playing.

mikantsass
07-29-2009, 11:32 AM
Dwight
Jefferson
Lopez
Okafor
Perkins

Honorable mention:
Bynum, Hawes, Oden, Biedrins

Corey
07-29-2009, 11:32 AM
Perk has absolutely no offensive game and is a bit over rated..if he doesnt get the block his man scores. It either hit and miss with him w/o KG in the lineup. You gotta give that spot to lopez

I'm not saying Perk belongs in the top 5, but I will say this:

He's a top 5 defensive center, has refined post moves that are taken for granted, and is a great rebounder. Some of this is overshadowed by the cast around him. If you watch him on a daily basis, he clearly has good low post moves that fall very consistently when turned to.

He doesn't score because he doesn't have to. His number is rarely called because of the offensive prowess of the players around him, not his lack of ability.

mavwar53
07-29-2009, 11:34 AM
He does alot for Golden State, i think he fairly ranks 3rd in this poll...Lopez will be #3 soon IMO

I'd have to agree with you 3rd now but lopez soon is 3rd

masalex1205
07-29-2009, 11:44 AM
Dwight
Jefferson
Lopez
Okafor
Perkins

Honorable mention:
Bynum, Hawes, Oden, Biedrins

Okafor is 26

what54!?
07-29-2009, 11:50 AM
Dwight
Jefferson
Lopez
Hawes
Bynum

arewayne
07-29-2009, 12:00 PM
Don't forget JaVale McGee he may have the most upside of anyone.

J_M_B
07-29-2009, 12:14 PM
1.Howard
2.Jefferson
3.Biedrins
4.Lopez
5.Bynum

Honorable mention:
Perkins, Oden, Bargnani, Hawes

Baldyy
07-29-2009, 12:15 PM
Oden deserves absolutely no mention, he hasn't done **** in his career to warrant him being one of the best young centers.

arkanian215
07-29-2009, 12:19 PM
haha maybe that's why he gets all those boards? no one is there to take it away from him. look at david lee...kevin durant and jeff green. lee you can make a case for but the other two, their stats are really inflated b/c okc hasnt had a good rebing center in a while. also lee's might be a little high b/c knicks have played high possession games. more possessions=more misses = more rebounds.

arkanian215
07-29-2009, 12:20 PM
yeah i agree some what. he's like al horford. pf body but forced to play c cuz of the cast around him.

Necrosis
07-29-2009, 01:45 PM
lol at bargnani not being mentioned much. He had more upside the lopez, blocks shots better. in the last month he was the third best scoring center in the league behind jefferson and yao. His lost post defence is good, he will score around 20 a game this season. His rebounding is not as bad as everyone thinks. The reason being that in about 60% of the offensive sets bargs is either high elbow or center three for the kickout, and to clear space for bosh. How can he grab a ton of boards playing like a shooting gaurd? the boarding is still bad though, but 7-8 a game would be nice, 5 is quite low.

20 ppg,1.5blks,2ast,6rgp at 45-50 fg% and 40-453p% is pretty good.

Draco
07-29-2009, 02:28 PM
Bargnani has more upside than Lopez? :laugh:

Lopez had a higher PER in his rookie year than Bargnani had in any of the three years he's been in the league. Lopez scores at a higher %, grabs more rebounds and is two years younger than Bargnani.. but Bargnani has/had more upside :rolleyes:

Necrosis
07-29-2009, 02:36 PM
Bargnani has more upside than Lopez? :laugh:

Lopez had a higher PER in his rookie year than Bargnani had in any of the three years he's been in the league. Lopez scores at a higher %, grabs more rebounds and is two years younger than Bargnani.. but Bargnani has/had more upside :rolleyes:

bargs played terribly for the first half of last season and still managed to avg more points the brook lopez at the end of the year. he is a better rebounder no doubt about it, but bargs shoots much better, can put the ball of the floor and has a pull up jumper. Brook is more of a traditional center. Bargs has more natural tools to be a dirk type player(not saying he is dirk:speechless:)

when he started last season he put up close to 20 ppg like i said. His second year was a was and i blame that on sam along with poor health. The kid had infected adenoids for most of the year and was playing under the weather alot.

bargs has a higher ceiling with his skill set, he can gaurd brook, brook cannot gaurd him, simple as that.

magikmc
07-29-2009, 02:36 PM
Howard
Jefferson
Bargnani
Biedrins
Lopez

DerekRE_3
07-29-2009, 02:41 PM
Dwight
Jefferson
Lopez
Okafor
Perkins

Honorable mention:
Bynum, Hawes, Oden, Biedrins

Okafor is 26.

And hopefully after this year Hawes will belong on the list.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-29-2009, 02:41 PM
Jevale McGee

Draco
07-29-2009, 02:46 PM
bargs played terribly for the first half of last season and still managed to avg more points the brook lopez at the end of the year. he is a better rebounder no doubt about it, but bargs shoots much better, can put the ball of the floor and has a pull up jumper. Brook is more of a traditional center. Bargs has more natural tools to be a dirk type player(not saying he is dirk:speechless:)

when he started last season he put up close to 20 ppg like i said. His second year was a was and i blame that on sam along with poor health. The kid had infected adenoids for most of the year and was playing under the weather alot.

bargs has a higher ceiling with his skill set, he can gaurd brook, brook cannot gaurd him, simple as that.

Bargs has a higher ceiling with his skill set in a non traditional role as Center? I'm not buying it. I'm not sure if Bargs is better at what he does than Lopez is at what Lopez does but I can say that Lopez's skill set is exceptional and I'd rather have my Center doing the things that Centers are supposed to do: shooting a high % and grabbing rebounds. I wouldn't want Bargs as my center any more than I want a SG like Iverson as my PG.

Brook can't guard Bargs? Where's the proof of that? You only have 4 games to look at and in their last game Brook convincingly outshined Bargs.

IMO, Bargs shouldn't even be in the top 5.

ChiBulls91
07-29-2009, 03:08 PM
I dont think bargs should even be in consideration for this. I dont see how he's a center. He's the poor mans dirk and i dont think anyone considers dirk a center...

Giannis94
07-29-2009, 03:14 PM
bogut?

superkegger
07-29-2009, 03:24 PM
Don't forget JaVale McGee he may have the most upside of anyone.

at this point though, that's all he has...

THiiRTYONE
07-29-2009, 03:34 PM
mans only say perkins cause your either a boston fan or because you heard his name in last years playoff games as a starter, same ways to byum. there are other better bigs

DerekRE_3
07-29-2009, 03:35 PM
at this point though, that's all he has...

He's shown flashes.

cowboyz180
07-29-2009, 03:40 PM
dwight howard
al jefferson
Brook lopez
bargnani
andrew bynum

Ragun
07-29-2009, 03:50 PM
i cant wait till next season when bargs proves his critics wrong.

Kyle N.
07-29-2009, 04:51 PM
Howard
Jefferson
Biedrins

I don't know about the next 2, it's a toss up. I think Biedrins is one of the most underrated players in the league.

tland22
07-29-2009, 05:35 PM
Dikembe Mutombo

vash9
07-29-2009, 06:13 PM
Dwight
Jefferson
Lopez
Biedrins
Okafor

Bynum doesn't even belong to any top 5 centers at all. When healthy, okay, but at the moment, wow he sucks.

mrblisterdundee
07-29-2009, 06:43 PM
1. Dwight Howard
2. Al Jefferson
3. Andris Biedrins
4. Al Horford
5. Brook Lopez

ARMIN12NBA
07-29-2009, 07:04 PM
Dwight (23)
Jefferson (24)
Bynum (21)
Lopez (21)
Biedrins (23)

ARMIN12NBA
07-29-2009, 07:06 PM
Dwight
Jefferson
Lopez
Biedrins
Okafor

Bynum doesn't even belong to any top 5 centers at all. When healthy, okay, but at the moment, wow he sucks.

A 21 year old center who averages 14/8 and has a 20 PER (top 5 for centers in the NBA; 3rd for centers under 25) and is a top 3 defensive center in the league does not deserve to be in the top 5 for Under 25 Centers?

Yet a 26 year old Okafor deserves to be in the top 5 list of Centers UNDER 25?

Hawkeye15
07-29-2009, 07:09 PM
Dwight (23)
Jefferson (24)
Bynum (21)
Lopez (21)
Biedrins (23)

yup, this list. If Bynum again misses substantial time, he gets dropped out, but one of his injuries was a freak deal, and he is still young. Still, upside only lasts so long imo.

ARMIN12NBA
07-29-2009, 07:12 PM
yup, this list. If Bynum again misses substantial time, he gets dropped out, but one of his injuries was a freak deal, and he is still young. Still, upside only lasts so long imo.

Pretty much. Fans or any FO can't just scream upside for a 10 year veteran. Bynum and most players have until 23 to make that huge leap or else we are talking bust...

blackjack_119
07-29-2009, 09:09 PM
Oden deserves absolutely no mention, he hasn't done **** in his career to warrant him being one of the best young centers.

Player Efficiency Rating for Centers under 25:
1. Dwight Howard: 25.44
2. Al Jefferson: 23.16
3. Andrew Bynum: 20.03
4. Andris Biedrins: 19.16
5. Greg Oden: 18.13

So as a rookie, 1 year removed from microfracture surgery (which has a 2 year recovery period) he has the 5th best PER among eligible centers (fourth if you consider Al Jefferson a PF), with a higher upside than any center and he has no business being mentioned? For everyone saying Brook Lopez and JaVale McGee, look how they are fairing against Oden in the Team USA mini-camp.

ombada
07-29-2009, 09:25 PM
not even an honorable mention for Roy Hibbert :(

jakesmail123
07-29-2009, 10:59 PM
1.Dwight
2.Jefferson
3.Lopez
4.Okafor
5.Hawes
6.Biedrins
7.Perkens
8.Bynum

sargon21
07-29-2009, 11:33 PM
ok how far off is al jefferson from being as good as dhoward, i dont think hes that far, hes a beastt

airforceones25
07-29-2009, 11:45 PM
if your talking potential.. i like the DeAndre Jordan kid from the clippers. This kid is extremely raw and his potentential is rediculously high. Played one year at Texas A&M and came out. On draft night they were saying he easily would have been a lottery pick if he waited. Showed glimpses of sheer brilliance when givin the chance. Once they ship Kaman out.... the Clippers front line looks bright for many years to come!

b_rad23
07-29-2009, 11:51 PM
Okafor is not under 25 in case anyone's curious.

Dwight
Al





Brook
Bynum
Biedrins

KB24PG16
07-29-2009, 11:59 PM
perkins is a good roll player i think hes a top 8 or so best young center and howard is definitely 1

SeoulBeatz
07-30-2009, 12:05 AM
lol at bargnani not being mentioned much. He had more upside the lopez, blocks shots better. in the last month he was the third best scoring center in the league behind jefferson and yao. His lost post defence is good, he will score around 20 a game this season. His rebounding is not as bad as everyone thinks. The reason being that in about 60% of the offensive sets bargs is either high elbow or center three for the kickout, and to clear space for bosh. How can he grab a ton of boards playing like a shooting gaurd? the boarding is still bad though, but 7-8 a game would be nice, 5 is quite low.

20 ppg,1.5blks,2ast,6rgp at 45-50 fg% and 40-453p% is pretty good.

brook lopez is a much better CENTER (centre), than bargs.

i love bargs potential, but he needs to grab more rebounds.

lopez averaged 1.8 bpg, bargs 1.2, how is bargs a better defender.

i got to see a lot of nets games this year (living in queens) and brook is already a legit post threat and a VERY good defender.

bargs has a better overall offensive game but Brook has a better postgame.

bargs should be playing PF though, he is not a center. 5 rpg is inexcusable from the C and he will need to work on that to move up the list. if hes wants to be in the center argument, he needs to get in the paint and man up.

he is on his way though, but his lack of post presence is what excludes him from the top 5.

once again, i have no reason to defend these guys as i am a diehard sixers fan...SO...

stop being a homer.

Law25
07-30-2009, 12:13 AM
Player Efficiency Rating for Centers under 25:
1. Dwight Howard: 25.44
2. Al Jefferson: 23.16
3. Andrew Bynum: 20.03
4. Andris Biedrins: 19.16
5. Greg Oden: 18.13

So as a rookie, 1 year removed from microfracture surgery (which has a 2 year recovery period) he has the 5th best PER among eligible centers (fourth if you consider Al Jefferson a PF), with a higher upside than any center and he has no business being mentioned? For everyone saying Brook Lopez and JaVale McGee, look how they are fairing against Oden in the Team USA mini-camp. :clap:

I agree on everything except " higher upside than any center". As far as fundametils Jefferson has more upside, because he knows them already and will only improve on them. Defence is hands down Howard, and i see him getting only better with that, and offence is easier to teach than defence. Than thers Bynum who plays with an great team and system which will always improve his game, and not to mention he has one of the greatest centers to ever play the game working hands on on him, every practice. I take nothing away from Oden his in the top five and Lopez is an beast, i just think Jefferson, Howard, and Bynum are in the best position to explode into greatness in the next five years or so. Biedrins is good but when the top three pay him i forget he is in the game. I say Bogut, or Lopez should take his spot.

WSU Tony
07-30-2009, 02:10 AM
I don't care what he plays, I can't honestly call Al Jefferson a center. He's the perfect build for a power forward, and that's what he came up playing.

So a 6'4 good shooting PG would be considered a SG in your book?

If he plays more minutes at center next year than PF, what does it matter what any of us consider him? He'd be playing center..... With the Wolves abundance of PF and lack of C, Al will find himself playing C more than he (or yourself) might like.