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nstojic
07-25-2009, 09:45 AM
if he's dealt(:(), I wanted to have some info on who we may be targeting, coming back the other way. Feel free to add... I'll post the team, their top 10 prospect page from baseball america and the MiLB profile page for their top 5:


Phillies - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267393.html




1- Dominic Brown RF (MUST HAVE!) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502126


2- Carlos Carrasco RHP (UFC's joe stevenson's twin, lol) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=471911


3 - Lou Marson C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453974


4- Jason Donald SS/3B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453228


5- Kyle Drabek RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475138

**had to include their 6th guy, he's a beast**

6- Michael Taylor RF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446345

blujaysrock
07-25-2009, 09:48 AM
I wish we could get all of those guys :D But I would settle with Drabek, Carrasco, Donald, Brown/Taylor

T.O. Fan
07-25-2009, 09:50 AM
if he's dealt(:(), I wanted to have some info on who we may be targeting, coming back the other way. Feel free to add... I'll post the team, their top 10 prospect page from baseball america and the MiLB profile page for their top 5:


Phillies - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267393.html




1- Dominic Brown RF (MUST HAVE!) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502126


2- Carlos Carrasco RHP (UFC's joe stevenson's twin, lol) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=471911


3 - Lou Marson C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453974


4- Jason Donald SS/3B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453228


5- Kyle Drabek RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475138

**had to include their 6th guy, he's a beast**

6- Michael Taylor RF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446345

Please note that these are old rankings.

I read the updated top 25 in all of baseball and Brown was ranked #1 for the Phillies, followed by Taylor and Drabek.

nstojic
07-25-2009, 09:51 AM
Brewers - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267436.html



1- Alcides Escobar SS - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=444876


2- Mat Gamel 3B(back at AAA, now) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=451143

3- Brett Lawrie(eh?) C/3B(they've got him at 2B) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543434

4- Jeremy Jeffress RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502026**********EDIT: suspended 100 games for banned substance, second suspension.. ********

5- Angel Salome C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=449162

nstojic
07-25-2009, 09:52 AM
Please note that these are old rankings.

I read the updated top 25 in all of baseball and Brown was ranked #1 for the Phillies, followed by Taylor and Drabek.

sorry... these are from the start of the this season... but really, ^^ irrelevant... who gives a ****?!?! just look at their stats..

j-mart
07-25-2009, 09:56 AM
We have JP Arencibia at AAA so I don't know that we really need Marson.

I would like to see the deal include Happ/Carrasco, Drabek, Taylor and Brown/Donald. It would be good to see us get some offense in return and not just pitching. Our farm system depth right now seems more around pitching. After Arencibia and Snider we don't have a lot on the offensive side.

nstojic
07-25-2009, 09:58 AM
Mets - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267356.html


1- Fernando Martinez(with the big club) RF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=CF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=494686

2- Wilmer Flores SS - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=527038

3- Jonathon Niese LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=477003

4- Brad Holt RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475747

5- Bobby Parnell(in MLB) RHP - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29227

BlueLeafs
07-25-2009, 10:03 AM
wow imagine if the Mets could get Doc. A Santana-Doc combo in the playoffs would be deadly( even though Mets won't make it)

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:06 AM
Dodgers - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267509.html

not to mention their MLB talent....



1- Andrew Lambo LF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=518911

2- James McDonald RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457428

3- Ethan Martin RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543495

4- Josh Lindblom RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=458676

5- Scott Elbert LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=455092

because we may need the position...

6- Josh Bell 3B - http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=458679

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:12 AM
a darkhorse of mine...

Astros - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267432.html



1- Jason Castro C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=488771

2- Bud (don't call me Chuck) Norris RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502032

3- Ross Seaton RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543758

4- Brian Bogusevic CF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=460131

5- Chris Johnson 3B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453400

6- Jordan Lyles RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543475

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:15 AM
slightly under the radar

Angels - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267257.html

some talent already at the MLB level...


1- Jordan Walden RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=477229

2- Peter Bourjos LF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=488721

3- Trevor Reckling LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519174

4- Kevin Jepsen RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=448178

5- Mark Trumbo 1B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=444432

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:20 AM
like the astro's, the AL darkhorse...

Rays - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267162.html

1- David Price (i don't think they'd give him up, probably give up on kazmir ahead of him) LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=456034

2- Tim Beckham SS - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=542921

3- Wade Davis RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=451584

4- Reid Brignac SS - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=458582

5- Desmond Jennings CF - (BEAST! in AA, right now) http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457775

Cooshman
07-25-2009, 10:25 AM
Don't foget texas, they could put a package together that could top everyone!!

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:28 AM
White Sox - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267205.html

1- Gordon Beckham(in MLB) SS - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=493596

2- Aaron Poreda(in MLB) LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519145

3- Clayton Richard (in MLB) LHP - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29195

4- Brandon Allen 1B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=450315

5- Jordan Danks(they've cornered the market on Danks's) CF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=458668

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:34 AM
Don't foget texas, they could put a package together that could top everyone!!

Rangers - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267282.html

1- Neftali Feliz RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=491703

2- Derek Holland (in MLB) LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502706

3- Elivs Andrus(we already know about him, would they give him up??) SS - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29515

4- Martin Perez LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=527048

5- Justin Smoak 1B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475253

North Yorker
07-25-2009, 10:34 AM
Holy $H1t.

Michael Taylor is 6-6, 250lbs.

What?!!?

Call me crazy but I would be good with Brown, Taylor, and Drabek for Doc and Frasor.

If that did happen we could trade Rios and move Lind to 1st. OF of the future would be Snider/Brown/Taylor. Since we would never be able to trade Wells I guess he could be DH or one of the young guys(like Snider) could DH if Wells still has his Gold Glove ability 3 or 4 years down the road.

We dont need 2 high level pitchers out of this deal imo.

2 or 3 yrs down the road...
Drabek
Marcum
Romero
Cecil
whoever... Lisch/Zippy/a rookie we drafted this year,etc.

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:41 AM
the hated Red Sox - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267146.html

some MLB talent too...

1- Clay Buchholz RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453329

2- Lars Anderson 1B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502249

3- Michael Bowden RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476601

4- Daniel Bard (in MLB) RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453268

5- Nick Hagadone LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=444935

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:47 AM
the hated Yankees - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267148.html

some MLB talent, too...


1- Austin jackson CF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457706

2- Jesus Montero(next posada?) C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=524968

3- 6'10" Andrew Brackman RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457581

4- Austin Romine C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519222

5-6'8" Dellin Betances RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476454

6- 6'6" Zach McAllister RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502083

nstojic
07-25-2009, 10:54 AM
Cubs?(they have the $$ and the talent) -
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267407.html


1- Josh Vitters 3B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519388

2- Jeff Samardzija RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502188

3- Andrew Cashner RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=488768

4- Kevin hart RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453954

5- Starlin Castro SS - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=IF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=516770

nstojic
07-25-2009, 11:01 AM
for fun... Doc's hometown, Rockies -
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267482.html


1- Dexter Fowler(in MLB) CF - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29252

2- Jhoulys Chacin RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=468504

3- Christian Friedrich LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543184

4- Hector Gomez SS - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=467143

and why not, Troy Tulowitzki haha.

Twitchy
07-25-2009, 11:21 AM
I don't see how Donald is remotely good. 25 year old in AAA. No thank you. I'd rather get Jason Knapp (http://thebaseballcube.com/players/K/Jason-Knapp.shtml).

nstojic
07-25-2009, 11:35 AM
I don't see how Donald is remotely good. 25 year old in AAA. No thank you. I'd rather get Jason Knapp (http://thebaseballcube.com/players/K/Jason-Knapp.shtml).

me too... there's nothing in donald's stats to justify his ranking.. he's headed down the russ adams career minor league road..

nstojic
07-25-2009, 11:40 AM
for teams interested in Doc, the untouchables, according to baseball america





No one loves prospects like Baseball America, but even we have a hard time thinking any of these guys are untouchable if the player in return was one and a half years of Roy Halladay, at a fair market value.

Using the teams' definition, though, we did come up with a list of prospects whose value to their organizations probably precludes them from being traded in the next few weeks. Cue the Elliot Ness music—here are our Untouchables.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-bulletin/2009/268579.html

anotherqtip420
07-25-2009, 12:04 PM
if he's dealt(:(), I wanted to have some info on who we may be targeting, coming back the other way. Feel free to add... I'll post the team, their top 10 prospect page from baseball america and the MiLB profile page for their top 5:


Phillies - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267393.html




1- Dominic Brown RF (MUST HAVE!) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502126


2- Carlos Carrasco RHP (UFC's joe stevenson's twin, lol) - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=471911


3 - Lou Marson C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453974


4- Jason Donald SS/3B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453228


5- Kyle Drabek RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475138

**had to include their 6th guy, he's a beast**

6- Michael Taylor RF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=RF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446345

I think the Phillies are the best spot for Doc right now. The guy deserves an honest shot with a team that will make the playoffs but have a decent shot at winning a WS and in my opion it's the Phillies. Know everyone says we have to get Drabek in the deal or J.A. Happ in it too. Well we are knee deep in the pitching dept. in the minors for the next 3-5 years or so. So why not concentrate the deal on hitting and defense with pitching a later thought in the deal. Here's my deal :

To Toronto : Michael Taylor(RF) + Dominic Brown(RF) + Jason Donald(SS/3B) + Carlos Carrasco(RHP) + Draft picks or $$$

To Phillies : Roy Halladay + Brian Tallet + Jason Frasor/Downs + Draft picks

I personally like this trade for both teams. Blue Jays get 3 studs in Taylor/Brown/Donald (these 3 are the my point in the deal) Carrasco if we can get him to or someone else 1-2 years away is cool. Phillies give up alot but i think its justifiable. Halladay is a beast and he's theirs for a 1.5 years and i would be stunned as hell if did'nt re-up with them long term. Tallet and either Frasor/Downs give them more options in the bullpen. Tallet has proven he can step in and handle the SP role and does'nt mind working out of the bullpen either...could prove to be a very beneficial addition later in the season when you wanna rest your SP before the playoffs. Frasor/Downs or someone else maybe Wells??? LOL i could only dream that they take Wells in the deal. But could you imagine the Phillies SP :

Halladay(RHP)
Hamels(LHP)
Happ(LHP)
Harden(RHP)
Moyer(LHP)

Thats a sick ***** starting 5!!!

North Yorker
07-25-2009, 12:31 PM
^Cant trade draft picks.

blujaysrock
07-25-2009, 12:38 PM
the hated Yankees - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267148.html

some MLB talent, too...


1- Austin jackson CF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457706

2- Jesus Montero(next posada?) C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=524968

3- 6'10" Andrew Brackman RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457581

4- Austin Romine C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519222

5-6'8" Dellin Betances RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476454

6- 6'6" Zach McAllister RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502083


He looks like a winner :laugh2: 1-11 with a ERA close to 7 :speechless:

donatolla
07-25-2009, 12:43 PM
To Toronto : Michael Taylor(RF) + Dominic Brown(RF) + Jason Donald(SS/3B) + Carlos Carrasco(RHP) + Draft picks or $$$

To Phillies : Roy Halladay + Brian Tallet + Jason Frasor/Downs + Draft picks


Have you seen what happened to the Jays' rotation this year? That's why you get a damn good pitcher back when you trade Roy Halladay. Including three more valuable arms just makes it worse. If Halladay goes, Tallet has to stay. He's had some rough starts, but overall a good lefty.

No way this trade happens without Either Drabek or Happ. I personally like the idea of asking for both, and hopefully settling on Happ, Taylor and Brown.


if he's dealt(:(), I wanted to have some info on who we may be targeting, coming back the other way. Feel free to add... I'll post the team, their top 10 prospect page from baseball america and the MiLB profile page for their top 5:



Great idea for a thread.

North Yorker
07-25-2009, 12:44 PM
He looks like a winner :laugh2: 1-11 with a ERA close to 7 :speechless:

Yess....











BUT he's 6-10:)

That means he has UNLIMITED potential, dontcha know.

Yankee fans prolly think he is a future Cy winner, just like the "Great Ian Kennedy" and the "Chosen One Phil Hughs."

donatolla
07-25-2009, 12:47 PM
the hated Yankees - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267148.html

some MLB talent, too...


1- Austin jackson CF - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457706

2- Jesus Montero(next posada?) C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=524968

3- 6'10" Andrew Brackman RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457581

4- Austin Romine C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519222

5-6'8" Dellin Betances RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=476454

6- 6'6" Zach McAllister RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502083

I wonder is the Yanks would actually give up AJacks or Jesus...with Posada on the way out, I keep hearing that Montero has a chance of being the next great yankees catcher - maybe the best yet.

My money is on him playing first by the time he debuts though.

Twitchy
07-25-2009, 12:49 PM
Montero won't stick as a catcher.
Brackman is a scrub. He has no control and his stuff is pretty brutal. Pass.

fatkev78
07-25-2009, 12:54 PM
Great job Nstojic!

donatolla
07-25-2009, 12:57 PM
We have JP Arencibia at AAA so I don't know that we really need Marson.

I would like to see the deal include Happ/Carrasco, Drabek, Taylor and Brown/Donald. It would be good to see us get some offense in return and not just pitching. Our farm system depth right now seems more around pitching. After Arencibia and Snider we don't have a lot on the offensive side.

Marson > JPA IMO

I'm not convinced that JPA is going to do all that much...he's really fallen off in AAA.

fatkev78
07-25-2009, 01:23 PM
I don't see how Donald is remotely good. 25 year old in AAA. No thank you. I'd rather get Jason Knapp (http://thebaseballcube.com/players/K/Jason-Knapp.shtml).


It's believed that hard-throwing Class A righthander Jason Knapp was also on the list at one time. But Knapp just went on the disabled list with "shoulder fatigue." So, according to one source, talk about him has "cooled."

mlbtraderumors.com

Habs n Jays Fan
07-25-2009, 01:29 PM
Marson > JPA IMO

I'm not convinced that JPA is going to do all that much...he's really fallen off in AAA.

Offensively, JPA completely dominates Marson(both are 23 at AAA):

JPA: 75 GP, 299 AB, 45 R, 71 H, 25 D, 1 T, 10 HR, 44 RBI, 0 SB, .237, .290, .428, .718

Marson: 59 GP, 228 AB, 30 R, 60 H, 13 D, 0 T, 1 HR, 23 RBI, 3 SB, .299, .382, .378, .760

But I'd fully agree that Marson is probably better defensively, which leads me to believe at one point, JPA will either be the Jays DH or 1B.

nstojic
07-25-2009, 01:48 PM
Have you seen what happened to the Jays' rotation this year? That's why you get a damn good pitcher back when you trade Roy Halladay. Including three more valuable arms just makes it worse. If Halladay goes, Tallet has to stay. He's had some rough starts, but overall a good lefty.

No way this trade happens without Either Drabek or Happ. I personally like the idea of asking for both, and hopefully settling on Happ, Taylor and Brown.



Great idea for a thread.

^^ thanks man... i'm into the whole prospect thing...


and i agree... you need elite pitching talent back... we may be 'deep' in pitching prospects but NONE of our guys project as 1's... maybe the unsigned first rounder from the 09 draft, Jenkins.. he's supposed to be a workhorse with control. The guys we have project, at best, to be 2's... with cecil and romero maybe being 1's on rotations that don't have a clear cut 'ace'... but yeah, we need a couple pitching prospects back which are better than our own... if, in the end, you can look back on the deal and say.. hey, we got an adam jones-type bat and kazmir-type arm(with the health)... i think that'd be the best case scenario... look at the indians.. they gave up colon (inferior to doc) in his prime and got sizemore and lee AND phillips, who they gave to cinncy... and he's solid, too!

nstojic
07-25-2009, 01:51 PM
I wonder is the Yanks would actually give up AJacks or Jesus...with Posada on the way out, I keep hearing that Montero has a chance of being the next great yankees catcher - maybe the best yet.

My money is on him playing first by the time he debuts though.

montero looks like an absolute beast!!!



On the season, Montero is hitting .334/.391/.552 in 317 at-bats, with 15 home runs, 63 RBIs and a 28-to-43 walk-to-strikeout ratio. His production stands on its own merits, but just consider the supporting evidence: He's 19, he's caught in 53 of his 84 games played and he's compiled huge numbers in two pitcher-friendly leagues, the Florida State and now the Eastern. If he's got another month in him like the ones that have come before, you may be looking at our Minor League Player of the Year.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268591.html


in an article i posted on pg2, BA considers him the yanks only untouchable in a doc deal.... i say, **** that ****!!! you want 1.5 seasons of Doc at less than market salary, your farm gets ZEE RAPE!

blujaysrock
07-25-2009, 02:00 PM
^^ thanks man... i'm into the whole prospect thing...


and i agree... you need elite pitching talent back... we may be 'deep' in pitching prospects but NONE of our guys project as 1's... maybe the unsigned first rounder from the 09 draft, Jenkins.. he's supposed to be a workhorse with control. The guys we have project, at best, to be 2's... with cecil and romero maybe being 1's on rotations that don't have a clear cut 'ace'... but yeah, we need a couple pitching prospects back which are better than our own... if, in the end, you can look back on the deal and say.. hey, we got an adam jones-type bat and kazmir-type arm(with the health)... i think that'd be the best case scenario... look at the indians.. they gave up colon (inferior to doc) in his prime and got sizemore and lee AND phillips, who they gave to cinncy... and he's solid, too!

Exactly so why should we not settle for top tier prospects for Doc who is still in his prime imo for players who project to be nothing special, I want to get an allstar outfielder in return and a cy young pitcher although I want someone better than Lee :D If I was JP and Phillies said there not moving Drabek I would put them out of the picture for teams in the hunt for Doc. If were giving up still someone who would finish near the top in cy uoung voting this year for a Happ a mid rotation starter at best and a outfielder who isn't going to put up amazing numbers I don't see how anyone thinks that would be fair

North Yorker
07-25-2009, 02:06 PM
montero looks like an absolute beast!!!




http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2009/268591.html


in an article i posted on pg2, BA considers him the yanks only untouchable in a doc deal.... i say, **** that ****!!! you want 1.5 seasons of Doc at less than market salary, your farm gets ZEE RAPE!

Dude if he went to the Yanks we would most certainly rape them.

Doc and Wells for Montero, A. Jackson, and Hughs/Joba.

SpecialFNK
07-25-2009, 03:30 PM
good job with all the links with minor league numbers, but wouldnt some place like thebaseballcube.com be better?
example.
Dominic Brown
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/batting/B/Dominic-Brown.shtml
thebaseballcube.com also lists scouting report. im not sure how accurate it is.
for Brown..
Power: 41
Speed: 86
Contact: 56
Patience: 70

Gibby
07-25-2009, 04:15 PM
out of all the teams i like Phils,Brewers, and Rangers. Brewers wont give up Gamel and Escobar. I think if Doc goes, it will be to the phillies but i would love it if was to the rangers.

The chances of jays getting both Feliz or Smoak, slim to none. as much as i like Feliz, i like Smoak (look at his name) even more.

Imangine one of these deals

Feliz, Andrus, Chris Davis, Martin Perez

or

Smoak, Andrus, Martin Perez, filler

too bad rangers are not in the running for doc.

Gibby
07-25-2009, 04:19 PM
Dude if he went to the Yanks we would most certainly rape them.

Doc and Wells for Montero, A. Jackson, and Hughs/Joba.

even the yanks wont give up that much, if it means getting wells. they are not ********.

Please JP dont trade doc to the yanks or red soxs. They play in the same division. Also i dont think Austin Jackson or Lars Anderson are good as they are hyped to be. I think montero is legit though.

Gibby
07-25-2009, 04:21 PM
Here is BA's mid season rankings.

Top 25 Prospects

1. Jason Heyward, of, Braves
2. Mike Stanton, of, Marlins
3. Jesus Montero, c, Yankees
4. Justin Smoak, 1b, Rangers
5. Madison Bumgarner, lhp, Giants
6. Buster Posey, c, Giants
7. Carlos Santana, c, Indians
8. Chris Tillman, rhp, Orioles
9. Brian Matusz, lhp, Orioles
10. Logan Morrison, 1b, Marlins
11. Freddie Freeman, 1b, Braves
12. Jarrod Parker, rhp, Diamondbacks
13. Neftali Feliz, rhp, Rangers
14. Alcides Escobar, ss, Brewers
15. Yonder Alonso, 1b, Reds
16. Wade Davis, rhp, Rays
17. Dominic Brown, of, Phillies
18. Desmond Jennings, of, Rays
19. Jason Castro, c, Astros
20. Tim Beckham, ss, Rays
21. Brett Wallace, 3b, Cardinals
22. Matt LaPorta, 1b/of, Indians
23. Michael Taylor, of, Phillies
24. Kyle Drabek, rhp, Phillies
25. Michael Saunders, of, Mariners

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5456

fatkev78
07-25-2009, 05:18 PM
even the yanks wont give up that much, if it means getting wells. they are not ********.

Please JP dont trade doc to the yanks or red soxs. They play in the same division. Also i dont think Austin Jackson or Lars Anderson are good as they are hyped to be. I think montero is legit though.

He could be a Yankee or a Redsox in a season and a half anyway, so you gotta take the best deal offered (especially if it involves getting Montero & Hughes/Joba).

nstojic
07-25-2009, 05:48 PM
good job with all the links with minor league numbers, but wouldnt some place like thebaseballcube.com be better?
example.
Dominic Brown
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/batting/B/Dominic-Brown.shtml
thebaseballcube.com also lists scouting report. im not sure how accurate it is.
for Brown..
Power: 41
Speed: 86
Contact: 56
Patience: 70

2 things...

first, ^^ it's not a goddamn videogame...



second,
feel free to add... :eyebrow:

nstojic
07-25-2009, 05:51 PM
Here is BA's mid season rankings.

Top 25 Prospects

1. Jason Heyward, of, Braves
2. Mike Stanton, of, Marlins
3. Jesus Montero, c, Yankees
4. Justin Smoak, 1b, Rangers
5. Madison Bumgarner, lhp, Giants
6. Buster Posey, c, Giants
7. Carlos Santana, c, Indians
8. Chris Tillman, rhp, Orioles
9. Brian Matusz, lhp, Orioles
10. Logan Morrison, 1b, Marlins
11. Freddie Freeman, 1b, Braves
12. Jarrod Parker, rhp, Diamondbacks
13. Neftali Feliz, rhp, Rangers
14. Alcides Escobar, ss, Brewers
15. Yonder Alonso, 1b, Reds
16. Wade Davis, rhp, Rays
17. Dominic Brown, of, Phillies
18. Desmond Jennings, of, Rays
19. Jason Castro, c, Astros
20. Tim Beckham, ss, Rays
21. Brett Wallace, 3b, Cardinals
22. Matt LaPorta, 1b/of, Indians
23. Michael Taylor, of, Phillies
24. Kyle Drabek, rhp, Phillies
25. Michael Saunders, of, Mariners

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/?p=5456

man, i LOVE roy but if we can get 12-13 of these guys, i think we should pull the trigger :whistle:

nstojic
07-25-2009, 06:02 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4355464



If the Blue Jays' asking price for Roy Halladay is J.A. Happ, top pitching prospect Kyle Drabek and high-ceiling outfield prospect Dominic Brown, the Phillies aren't buying.

The Blue Jays formally proposed that package to the Phillies on Thursday, in exchange for the 32-year-old Cy Young Award-winner, ESPN's Peter Gammons confirmed Friday.


But two baseball people familiar with the Phillies' thinking told ESPN.com on Saturday that that's not a deal the Phillies are willing to make.


"The ball is in their court," said Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi, who Friday did not sound optimistic that a deal would happen.


According to an executive of one team that has spoken with the Phillies' brass, the Phillies are adamantly opposed to giving up both Happ and Drabek. There are indications they would like to substitute pitching prospect Carlos Carrasco for one of those two, preferably in place of the highly regarded Drabek.



well, at least JP is thinking along the same lines as we are... it's good.. makes you think that roy will still be a jay after this next week.. because jp's saying.. want him? give us your best... otherwise, **** off...




"The Phillies are going to have to step up if they want him," said one talent evaluator involved in Halladay discussions. "Happ is OK [as a prospect], and Drabek is a good prospect, but neither of those guys is ever going to be what Halladay is. They're prospects, and Halladay is Halladay; he's the best. If Happ and Drabek are not both in the deal, it's not going to happen."



thus the OF's...

leafsjays1
07-25-2009, 06:04 PM
I think a good trade for Doc would be:

Philadelphia Phillies Get: Roy Halladay, Jason Frasor

For

Toronto Blue Jays Get: Dominic Brown, Michael Taylor or Jason Donald, J.A Happ, Kyle Drabek

nstojic
07-25-2009, 06:18 PM
I think a good trade for Doc would be:

Philadelphia Phillies Get: Roy Halladay, Jason Frasor

For

Toronto Blue Jays Get: Dominic Brown, Michael Taylor or Jason Donald, J.A Happ, Kyle Drabek

read the article above, the jays are said to be asking for all that for JUST roy

leafsjays1
07-25-2009, 06:22 PM
Yeah but they said not really so we should just sweeten the pot by adding frasor that would probabley get the deal done in my mind

nstojic
07-25-2009, 06:41 PM
Yeah but they said not really so we should just sweeten the pot by adding frasor that would probabley get the deal done in my mind

you overrate frasor.. he's decent to good but he's not a deal breaker when a team is teetering on whether or not to include one more of its elite prospects...

imagine frasor's on the mets and we're trying to get santana... and we say, hey, you want cecil, snider, JPA, AAAAAND Romero? toss in Frasor too.. NO WAY! not with what you perceive romero to be... you'd want something more than frasor...

leafsjays1
07-25-2009, 06:44 PM
Like Marco Scutaro or Scott Rolen cause I don't know what else they would need but he isn't a deal breaker he is just a guy that fills their need and makes them feel more comfortable with making a trade because he fills a void that they have in their bullpen, a middle reliever

nstojic
07-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Like Marco Scutaro or Scott Rolen cause I don't know what else they would need but he isn't a deal breaker he is just a guy that fills their need and makes them feel more comfortable with making a trade because he fills a void that they have in their bullpen, a middle reliever

to give up their top 4(and i'm not saying doc isn't worth it because he's all that and more *doc stay :(*) they'd probably ask for frasor and league or frasor and purcey or Rzep or mills or something like that... a B or C prospect for their 4 A prospects...

leafsjays1
07-25-2009, 06:54 PM
I'd maybe give them cash instead of a prospect because they want money because a mid grade prospect won't do anything for them

fatkev78
07-25-2009, 07:30 PM
read the article above, the jays are said to be asking for all that for JUST roy

In the Hallday Trade Thread we discussed this - they aren't asking for Taylor as well, just the 3. Like I said previous, 'agree' to take out Brown for Taylor & Happ for Carrasco and say for making those to 'concessions' add in Knapp. The only problem I see with the deal is JP has publicly stated he wants a current MLB arm in return (Happ).

nstojic
07-25-2009, 11:06 PM
what does everyone think of ryan madson? looks like a stud in the pen... still 28... let's say the phills ok drabek, brown, haap but won't toss in taylor or carrasco.. can we ask them to toss in madson? am i way off base? pun intended...

nstojic
07-26-2009, 02:00 AM
forgot to put this guy on the phillies list but i don't think they'd part with him, anyway, so we might as well forget it....

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=407860

forum199
07-26-2009, 02:13 AM
The Dodgers system has changed quite a bit over the year too. Josh Bell has really excelled, and Dee Gordon would probably jump into our top 5 prospects (he is a Jimmy Rollins clone, over 52 SB already in high A). McDonald has already dominated the minor leagues (AAA included this year) and just needs seasoning to become a very good starter. Keep in mind Lambo is a 20 year old in double A who is holding his own. He already dominated single A, where prospects like Dominic Brown are getting their numbers at an older age (Brown is 21 in single A). J. McDonald, E. Martin, A. Lambo, and J. Bell for Halladay and Frasor!! Fair deal for both teams. It's only topped if the Phils give you Drabek NOT Happ, Brown or Taylor (whichever Jays prefer), Marson, and Donald.

nstojic
07-26-2009, 02:20 AM
The Dodgers system has changed quite a bit over the year too. Josh Bell has really excelled, and Dee Gordon would probably jump into our top 5 prospects (he is a Jimmy Rollins clone, over 52 SB already in high A). McDonald has already dominated the minor leagues (AAA included this year) and just needs seasoning to become a very good starter. Keep in mind Lambo is a 20 year old in double A who is holding his own. He already dominated single A, where prospects like Dominic Brown are getting their numbers at an older age (Brown is 21 in single A). J. McDonald, E. Martin, A. Lambo, and J. Bell for Halladay and Frasor!! Fair deal for both teams. It's only topped if the Phils give you Drabek NOT Happ, Brown or Taylor (whichever Jays prefer), Marson, and Donald.

haha we already have the white, slightly older version of dee gordon
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=518991

forum199
07-26-2009, 02:26 AM
haha we already have the white, slightly older version of dee gordon
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=518991

23 years old on the verge of 24 posting up similar numbers in a crappy league (FSL is very weak) to a just turned 21 year old in high single A is not really comparable. Gordon also has MLB blood lines (son of Tom Gordon). Plus, Gordon is much more prolific of a defender at shortstop (amazing defensive SS) and has 55 SB (much faster). The Dodgers supposedly won't even discuss him (I know it's hearsay, but he's legit).

You should also check out Chris Withrow. He was 8 on the list before the year, but that was out of pure pedigree. He was our 1st round pick in 2007, but had Tommy John or some major arm surgery and came back this year. He's barely 20 and has 109 K in 80 IP in high single A in his first year of professional baseball (comparable numbers to Jason Knapp) this year in a very successful comeback from surgery.

Dodgers have alot of pitching to offer in James McDonald, Josh Lindblom, Ethan Martin, Chris Withrow, and to a lesser degree Scott Elbert.

Andrew Lambo, Josh Bell, and Dee Gordon are all very good prospects, if not top-top guys.

nstojic
07-26-2009, 02:26 AM
hahah fun fact... you may recognize, phillies prospect, Dominic Brown's manager in A ball....Ernie Whitt..

nstojic
07-26-2009, 02:28 AM
23 years old on the verge of 24 in double A ball posting up similar numbers to a 20 year old in high single A is not really comparable. Gordon also has MLB blood lines (son of Tom Gordon). Plus, Gordon is much more prolific of a defender at shortstop (amazing defensive SS) and over 52 SB (much faster). The Dodgers supposedly won't even discuss him (I know it's hearsay, but he's legit).

oh, i know.. i was just foolin' around with the comparison.. mastroianni's not really on our radar... he'll probably top out in AAA... why isn't Gordon on many prospect lists? that top secret?


and yeah, you guys have the talent it would take to land roy... i've always loved kemp and ethier.. could either one of those two go and just subtract a prospect or two?

forum199
07-26-2009, 03:38 AM
oh, i know.. i was just foolin' around with the comparison.. mastroianni's not really on our radar... he'll probably top out in AAA... why isn't Gordon on many prospect lists? that top secret?


and yeah, you guys have the talent it would take to land roy... i've always loved kemp and ethier.. could either one of those two go and just subtract a prospect or two?

Kemp and Ethier have become too valuable for us to trade. Kemp is putting up Beltran like numbers in center field and Andre's already got 20 HR and 60 RBI. They're two of our biggest run producers. I wonder why you guys need outfielders anyways. You have Lind, Snider, Rios, and Wells. Maybe the Jays are ready to ship out Rios to save salary (he has value with his potential CF defensive skills and upside with bat)

I think Gordon is just extremely new to professional baseball; that's why. I'm not sure if he even played professional baseball last year; this might be his debut season (same thing with Withrow - debut season). As you can tell by his stats, he's probably pretty raw as a hitter right now; but he shows a really good eye at the plate. Basically, he can get on base, is extremely athletic and fast, plays a great shortstop, and has good genetic bloodlines. Anything on top of that is a question mark right now, due to how raw he is.

James McDonald, Ethan Martin, Dee Gordon, and Josh Bell for Roy Halladay and Jason Frasor.

If Texas is involved however, this is a big development. Everyone thought they couldn't take on the salary but maybe the Jays pay the salary for this year if they give up some of their amazing prospects.

Roy Halladay and Jason Frasor + money to pay their salaries for 2009 to Texas for Justin Smoak, Taylor Teegarden, and Derek Holland.

nstojic
07-26-2009, 03:40 AM
forgot the Giants, they're only one game out of WC spot.. and doc, lincecum, cain is frightening... - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267493.html

tons of talent...


1- Madison Bumgarner (the kind of ace material you'd want back) LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=518516


2- Buster Posey (doubt they'd want to.. would adding JPA work?) C - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=C&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457763


3- Angel Villalona 1B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=505830


4- Tim Alderson RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=518396

5- Nick Noonan (still young) 2B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=519082

6- Conor Gillaspie 3B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543216

forum199
07-26-2009, 03:46 AM
The Giants won't get in on Halladay because they need hitting much worse than pitching. Plus, like you said, their prospects are too good. Bumgartner and Posey are probably untouchables, while Villalona, Sandoval, and Alderson are close to it...check out what I said about Texas above. Would the Jays be willing to eat any of Halladay's contract for this year to get better prospects?

nstojic
07-26-2009, 03:48 AM
Kemp and Ethier have become too valuable for us to trade. Kemp is putting up Beltran like numbers in center field and Andre's already got 20 HR and 60 RBI. They're two of our biggest run producers. I wonder why you guys need outfielders anyways. You have Lind, Snider, Rios, and Wells. Maybe the Jays are ready to ship out Rios to save salary (he has value with his potential CF defensive skills and upside with bat)



hahaha you NL'er hhah have you seen the stats on rios, and more importantly, wells? hahaha lind can hit but he plays a very mediocre LF... Snider'll take that spot when he comes back from AAA...

Doc, Rios, Purcey for Kemp, bell, martin, lindblom, & gordon

forum199
07-26-2009, 03:51 AM
hahaha you NL'er hhah have you seen the stats on rios, and more importantly, wells? hahaha lind can hit but he plays a very mediocre LF... Snider'll take that spot when he comes back from AAA...

Doc, Rios, Purcey for Kemp, bell, martin, lindblom, & gordon

That'd be too pricey for us. We'd still be giving you four prime prospects in Bell, Martin (Ethan right?), Lindblom, and Gordon while giving up a much superior player in Kemp compared to Rios who makes way more money.

I know Wells and Rios are doing horrible; thats why I figured they would be stuck in your outfield for the next few years lol. I can't imagine the Jays cutting Wells four or five years early. That contract could end up being worse than Barry Zito's.

Think about this: Michael Taylor is 23 years old and people are excited about him as a prospect. Well, Matt Kemp is barely 24 and he's hitting .325 with 12 HR and 30 SB at the major league level. He's on his way to becoming a superstar.

nstojic
07-26-2009, 03:55 AM
The Giants won't get in on Halladay because they need hitting much worse than pitching. Plus, like you said, their prospects are too good. Bumgartner and Posey are probably untouchables, while Villalona, Sandoval, and Alderson are close to it...check out what I said about Texas above. Would the Jays be willing to eat any of Halladay's contract for this year to get better prospects?

that's intriguing but unlikely.. i doubt ownership(who has the $$$) would authorize our gm to eat any more salary... especially after the frank thomas/bj ryan money buffet's.. and the optics look bad... our media would kill that story.. i can see it now 'take that fans, slap in the face as jays reluctantly trade superstar and pay x team to take him'... only cause it's roy.. he's the one guy where you know you're getting some elite potential back but you'd still rather have roy... logic kind of flies out the window for this guy...

nstojic
07-26-2009, 04:02 AM
That'd be too pricey for us. We'd still be giving you four prime prospects in Bell, Martin (Ethan right?), Lindblom, and Gordon while giving up a much superior player in Kemp compared to Rios who makes way more money.

I know Wells and Rios are doing horrible; thats why I figured they would be stuck in your outfield for the next few years lol. I can't imagine the Jays cutting Wells four or five years early. That contract could end up being worse than Barry Zito's.

Think about this: Michael Taylor is 23 years old and people are excited about him as a prospect. Well, Matt Kemp is barely 24 and he's hitting .325 with 12 HR and 30 SB at the major league level. He's on his way to becoming a superstar.


yeah, i kind of swung for the fences with that proposal... rios isn't doing too bad.. he should finish up with 19-21 HR's, 82-95 RBi's, 20 SB's .270-.288 avg.. which isn't too bad related to his $$$ but wells is the titanic... he's tied to that contract and playing so poorly... it would take a year of .315, 35-40 HR, 120+ rbi, gold glove for him to actually earn that coin and all signs point to him fighting to produce a .290-.300, 30, 100 year for the remainder of the contract...

i'd rather have taylor than brown from PHI but we'll see.... but yeah, Ethier is really good and Kemp is that much better.. you guys suck! i wish wells would hit the juice ahhaha hook him up with manny.. he knows a guy...

forum199
07-26-2009, 04:05 AM
yeah, i kind of swung for the fences with that proposal... rios isn't doing too bad.. he should finish up with 19-21 HR's, 82-95 RBi's, 20 SB's .270-.288 avg.. which isn't too bad related to his $$$ but wells is the titanic... he's tied to that contract and playing so poorly... it would take a year of .315, 35-40 HR, 120+ rbi, gold glove for him to actually earn that coin and all signs point to him fighting to produce a .290-.300, 30, 100 year for the remainder of the contract...

i'd rather have taylor than brown from PHI but we'll see.... but yeah, Ethier is really good and Kemp is that much better.. you guys suck! i wish wells would hit the juice ahhaha hook him up with manny.. he knows a guy...

Hahaha, what is up with Vernon anyways??? I used to like him alot, and thought he had alot of talent. Is he hiding an injury? Does he just have terrible pitch recognition? I still think he will rebound; maybe not this year, but he won't be this bad.

If Texas can eat Halladay's salary, I think they would have a big shot to get him. They have such good prospects, that even one or two of them could seal a deal. If I was a Jays fan, I'd take a package of Justin Smoak, Derek Holland, and Teegarden.

nstojic
07-26-2009, 04:15 AM
Hahaha, what is up with Vernon anyways??? I used to like him alot, and thought he had alot of talent. Is he hiding an injury? Does he just have terrible pitch recognition? I still think he will rebound; maybe not this year, but he won't be this bad.

If Texas can eat Halladay's salary, I think they would have a big shot to get him. They have such good prospects, that even one or two of them could seal a deal. If I was a Jays fan, I'd take a package of Justin Smoak, Derek Holland, and Teegarden.


there's many theories.. ultimately, it's probably related to the injuries he had a year or two ago.. plus, he's not very selective at the plate and he just can't seem to get it going.. even though, he was always a slow starter... to this point, he just flat out sucks... he's terrible with men on.. he's terrible at home.. his D has regressed... it's ugly.. and he makes soooo much money.. so even if he's better but not this bad, it won't be good enough.. think about it, he'll earn more than pujols... for doc(he'd win 25 a year with those bats down in TEX), would the rays be a darkhorse?

forum199
07-26-2009, 04:28 AM
there's many theories.. ultimately, it's probably related to the injuries he had a year or two ago.. plus, he's not very selective at the plate and he just can't seem to get it going.. even though, he was always a slow starter... to this point, he just flat out sucks... he's terrible with men on.. he's terrible at home.. his D has regressed... it's ugly.. and he makes soooo much money.. so even if he's better but not this bad, it won't be good enough.. think about it, he'll earn more than pujols... for doc(he'd win 25 a year with those bats down in TEX), would the rays be a darkhorse?

The Rays have to tread the financial waters very carefully, because they have no revenue whatsoever. I think Halladay would be too much of a luxury for them when they already have two big-game pitchers in Garza and Shields, plus a plethora of other stud young pitchers: Price, Niemann (I like this guy alot), Wade Davis plus veterans like Kazmir and Sonnastine.

T.O. Fan
07-26-2009, 01:30 PM
sorry... these are from the start of the this season... but really, ^^ irrelevant... who gives a ****?!?! just look at their stats..

It's relevant to the people who may not take the time to look at the stats and think a guy like Michael Taylor or Kyle Drabek are not as good because their beginning of the year ranking is 6 and 5......If no one gives a ****?!?! then why bother even posting the rankings to begin with???????? Why not just post the stats links then????????

T.O. Fan
07-26-2009, 01:33 PM
me too... there's nothing in donald's stats to justify his ranking.. he's headed down the russ adams career minor league road..

Again......obviously my post was relevant.

Those rankings are from last years stats.......just take a look at what he did in AA last year and you may figure out why he was ranked where he was in February.

leafsjays1
07-26-2009, 04:02 PM
If I were to trade Roy Halladay and let's say Scott Downs and or Jason Frasor, I'd demand 4 out of 5 of: Jason Donald, Dominic Brown, Michael Taylor, J.A Happ, and Kyle Drabek

blujaysrock
07-26-2009, 04:48 PM
If I were to trade Roy Halladay and let's say Scott Downs and or Jason Frasor, I'd demand 4 out of 5 of: Jason Donald, Dominic Brown, Michael Taylor, J.A Happ, and Kyle Drabek

The ones in red then I would do it :) Although I'd rather take Marson over Brown or Taylor

leafsjays1
07-26-2009, 06:43 PM
Seroiusly you would take Marson over the 2 freaks (Taylor amd Brown), they are 6-5, can run, and hit. We also have JP Arencibia coming up so I wouldn't want Marson over Taylor or Brown

donatolla
07-26-2009, 08:13 PM
Offensively, JPA completely dominates Marson(both are 23 at AAA):

JPA: 75 GP, 299 AB, 45 R, 71 H, 25 D, 1 T, 10 HR, 44 RBI, 0 SB, .237, .290, .428, .718

Marson: 59 GP, 228 AB, 30 R, 60 H, 13 D, 0 T, 1 HR, 23 RBI, 3 SB, .299, .382, .378, .760

But I'd fully agree that Marson is probably better defensively, which leads me to believe at one point, JPA will either be the Jays DH or 1B.

Did you read what you posted?

How is JPA "completely dominating" a guy who has a 42 point advantage in OPS? The only advantage JPA has is slugging...overall, Marson is a better hitter, and gets on base much better. At this point, JPA looks an awful lot like Rod Barajas (Particularly that sub .300 OBP).

Marson would be a significant upgrade.

wamco
07-26-2009, 08:21 PM
how the mighty JPA has fallen from only a few months back. Whodda thunk a downright refusal to walk would lead to bad things, I mean look at superstar Francour.

donatolla
07-26-2009, 08:51 PM
^^^I thought something similar, but also realized that this year is similar to his first year in A. Maybe the spike we saw in Dunedin was an anomaly?

leafsjays1
07-26-2009, 09:39 PM
Marson's batting average is wrong, 60/228= .263 batting average not .299

donatolla
07-27-2009, 12:38 AM
Marson's batting average is wrong, 60/228= .263 batting average not .299

I think you should double check your formula. ;)

donatolla
07-27-2009, 04:27 PM
Another bit of information on the Phillie prospects:

http://www.thegoodphight.com/2009/7/26/962497/halladay-bait


Kyle Drabek, RHP, Reading

The top prospect in the Phillies' system, Drabek is a 21-year old righty with top-of-the-rotation stuff. A full two years removed from Tommy John surgery, Drabek now features much smoother mechanics, but still flashes the mid-90s fastball and spike curve that made him the 18th overall pick in the 2006 draft. He ripped through High-A Clearwater this year, posting a 1.82 FIP and 10.8 K/9 in 61.2 IP, and is currently adjusting to Double-A Reading, with a 3.53 FIP and 6.5 K/9. For a guy with only 110 pro innings before this year's that not half bad.

Drabek is the type of deal centerpiece that J.P. Ricciardi covets. He's not on the Buchholz, Hughes, or Chamberlain level, but he's got ace stuff and could be ready to pitch in a big league rotation next year. If he stays healthy, his worst case scenario is as a mid-rotation starter or dominant reliever. It's dubious whether the Phils can get a deal done without including Drabek.

Dominic Brown, L-OF, Clearwater

The top hitting prospect in the Phillies' system, Brown is a 21-year old outfielder with the kind of tools that make scouts drool. A .300/.379/.507 line in the pitcher-dominated High-A Florida State League is highly impressive, particularly the power; the .207 ISO, while still maintaining the solid plate discipline (12.1% BB, 20.7% K) that made him such an intriguing prospect in the first place, is evidence of a big-time breakout.

In Brown and Michael Taylor (see below), the Phillies have a pair of athletic, toolsy outfielders with high ceilings and the performance to back it up. Because of his age, Brown is probably a touch better prospect than Taylor at this point, but he's also a level further away and has yet to make the jump to Double-A. The Jays will certainly require one of the two to make a deal, and Brown looks like their preference; whatever the case, the Phillies can't afford to surrender both.

Check below the jump for the other usual suspects.

Star-divide

Carlos Carrasco, RHP, Lehigh Valley

Carrasco is your typical post-hype prospect: the 22-year old been on the prospect radar for a long time, but hasn't shown the kind of dramatic improvement that might have vaulted him to the top of the prospect charts. His fastball sits 93 or so with good life, and he has a developing curveball, but reports on the quality of his changeup are mixed -- some scouts see it as a real plus pitch, while others think he slows his arm down too much for the pitch to really be effective. All scouts agree on one thing: Carrasco's mental makeup is the biggest thing holding him back, as he has a tendency to let bloop singles and errors turn into big innings. His 4.01 FIP and 2.95 K/BB this year are solid numbers, but his 14 HR in 114.2 IP are not.

Word has it that the Phils would love to replace either of Happ or Drabek with Carrasco, but there's no way Toronto does a straight 1-for-1 swap on either count; Carlos would have to be accompanied by another prospect (or 3) for that to work. Now would be a good time for the Blue Jays to buy low on Carlos, though.

Michael Taylor, R-OF, Lehigh Valley

One of the biggest risers on prospect lists this year, Taylor's 6'6", 250-lb. frame, NFL-style athleticism, and Stanford intelligence have Bill Conlin drooling. After junking the notorious "Stanford swing" before last offseason, Taylor has gone on an absolute tear, culminating in a promotion to Lehigh Valley the other week after posting a .333/.408/.569 line in 363 Double-A plate appearances (with solid 9.9% BB and 16.0% K rates, and an 18:4 SB:CS ratio to boot).

It seems that the Jays prefer Brown to Taylor, and when it comes down to it, the Phillies probably do too. Still, you won't see them complaining if they can get a Halladay deal and hang onto a guy who legitimately projects as a middle-of-the-lineup right fielder with all five tools.

Jason Donald, R-SS, Lehigh Valley

A disappointing year for Donald in Triple-A (.230/.293/.324, 25.5% K) has put a dent in his perceived upside. As a shortstop with solid hands, a good arm, but questionable range, he projects better as a second baseman or a utility infielder at this point, as his bat probably won't play at third base. Donald's been rehabbing in the Gulf Coast League the past few weeks as he struggles to recover from injury.

The Blue Jays were apparently very high on Donald this time last year, as the Phils traded names with Toronto regarding A.J. Burnett, but his stock is certainly down. With Toronto rejecting the Phils' latest offer including Donald, it's questionable at this point how much interest Toronto has in Donald.

Jason Knapp, RHP, Lakewood

The organization's 3rd round pick in the 2008 draft, Knapp is a big-bodied (6'5", 215-lb.) starter with a big-time fastball. His full-season debut as an 18-year old has been nothing short of remarkable: a 2.85 FIP and 11.7 K/9 in 85.1 IP. He needs to cut down on the walks (4.1 BB/9) and develop his secondary offerings, but he has all the tools to be a front-end starter.

That being said, Knapp is a long, long way away, and plenty of things can go wrong in the meantime. The organization seems to value him very highly -- he's not untouchable, but it's likely the Phils will do everything they can to hang on to the young fireballer. With Knapp on the DL now with shoulder fatigue, it looks unlikely that he'll be any part of a Halladay deal.

Lou Marson, R-C, Lehigh Valley

Marson had a breakout campaign at Reading last year, posting a .314/.433/.416 line with an impressive 17.4% BB rate. After a rough start to his Triple-A campaign, Marson got back in the groove in June and July, raising his season averages to .299/.382/.376. He's still hitting for no power, but his plate discipline is still solid, and he's still in line to be the Phillies starting backstop, possibly starting in 2010.

We haven't heard Marson's name much with regard to the Halladay talks. Toronto has Marson's polar opposite -- plenty of power, no plate discipline -- J.P. Arencibia, in Triple-A, but his .234/.285/.421 line this year might have the Jays looking elsewhere for their catcher of the future. The Phils remain high on Marson, though, so it remains to be seen whether they'd be willing to part with him.

Travis d'Arnaud, R-C, Lakewood

The Phils' supplemental round selection in the 2007 draft, d'Arnaud was praised by scouts for his defensive ability first and foremost. When his bat suddenly came around last year (.305/.367/.464 across two levels), he jumped up prospect charts. With that backdrop, d'Arnaud's .244/.308/.408 line in Low-A this year seems like an abject disappointment, but the poor surface numbers mask the fact that d'Arnaud hasn't really been hitting all that terribly this year. In fact, d'Arnaud still projects as an above-average major league catcher provided he continues to develop over the next 3-4 years.

The Blue Jays were apparently very high on d'Arnaud heading into the 2007 draft, and they sent scouts to Lakewood -- presumably to watch him -- earlier this month. He wouldn't be the key cog in any deal, but d'Arnaud has good value as a complimentary piece, and it wouldn't surprise me at all for the Blue Jays to ask for d'Arnaud's inclusion in any deal that gets done.

blujaysrock
07-27-2009, 04:43 PM
Marson's batting average is wrong, 60/228= .263 batting average not .299

He's only had 204AB's that's why 60/204 = .294avg

ramz.n
07-27-2009, 04:45 PM
to give up their top 4(and i'm not saying doc isn't worth it because he's all that and more *doc stay :(*) they'd probably ask for frasor and league or frasor and purcey or Rzep or mills or something like that... a B or C prospect for their 4 A prospects...

if we have to trade purcey and hallday to get drabek, happs, brown and taylor...where do i sign up.

fatkev78
07-30-2009, 03:50 PM
Just bumping this thread back to the 1st page.

blujaysrock
07-31-2009, 09:57 AM
Rangers - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/organization-top-10-prospects/2009/267282.html

1- Neftali Feliz RHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=491703

2- Derek Holland (in MLB) LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=502706

3- Elivs Andrus(we already know about him, would they give him up??) SS - http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=29515

4- Martin Perez LHP - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=527048

5- Justin Smoak 1B - http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=1B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=475253

Martin Perez looks really good although he's only in A

nstojic
07-31-2009, 10:50 AM
Martin Perez looks really good although he's only in A

and check out his age... impressive

Billyen
08-10-2009, 05:38 AM
Sorry for the bump.

Has anyone else noticed how most of the teams that were after Doc have gone into a tailspin? Well....at least they have their prospects.

Thanks nstojic for this thread...it was very helpful during a trying time.

nearyG
08-10-2009, 05:57 AM
texas has better prospects than phillies...happ/carassco/drabek are mid-rotation guys...perez, in the rangers system could be a future ace...smoak is going to be a texiera type first baseman...andrus has already shown how good he is going to be with the bat and on the field...and they have a bunch of other guys that have a lot of upside (holland, perez, ramirez, font, borbon)

leafsjays1
08-10-2009, 08:04 PM
Does anyone know if the Jays could possibly be in the running for Aroldis Chapman this offseason, hopefully cause he looks dirty