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MJ-BULLS
07-24-2009, 03:38 PM
which one is more impressive a perfect game or a 20 K game?

JAYZFAN9
07-24-2009, 03:39 PM
perfect

Sleeper
07-24-2009, 03:39 PM
Perfect game.. by a mile.

MJ-BULLS
07-24-2009, 03:41 PM
yeah perfect game is amazing but striking out 20 batters out of 27 outs is pretty amazing too :)

Raidaz4Life
07-24-2009, 03:41 PM
perfect.

pf289
07-24-2009, 03:43 PM
perfect. btw how many 20 strike out games have there been in the history?

abe_froman
07-24-2009, 03:44 PM
perfect game..its well perfect

Method28
07-24-2009, 03:45 PM
perfect. btw how many 20 strike out games have there been in the history?

its happened 4 times

once by Kerry Wood (Cubs)
once by Randy Johnson (DBacks)
twice by Roger Clemens (Red Sox)

northsider
07-24-2009, 03:46 PM
perfect. btw how many 20 strike out games have there been in the history?

4 Clemens did it twice, Randy Johnson and Kerry Wood once.

NVM beat to the punch.

SouthSideSox
07-24-2009, 03:47 PM
Perfect game for sure because that little bloop hit can happen anytime.

Kirel
07-24-2009, 03:49 PM
20 strike outs, without a doubt.

The only thing a pitcher did in a a perfect game game was not walk anyone, which happens every day. Perfect games and no hitters are way, way more about hitters and fielders than the pitcher.

In other words, 20 K's is skill. Perfect games and no hitters are just meaningless random occurances.

MJ-BULLS
07-24-2009, 03:50 PM
perfect. btw how many 20 strike out games have there been in the history?

Kerry Wood:1
Roger clemens:2
Randy Johnson:1

theres only been 4! thats why i believe incredible that when i pitcher strikes out 20 is amazing, and is rare, lets not forget its the mlb any player with a bat in there hand is dangerous in the mlb.

ccspence8
07-24-2009, 03:53 PM
20K is so much harder than a perfect game.

TheHoopsProphet
07-24-2009, 03:53 PM
Statistically speaking, 20 k's is better and much harder to do. The perfect game has been done 18 times, and by some irrelevant pitchers in baseball history. Think about who has accomplished the feat. - Roger Clemans (prior to steroid scandal, considered one of the best pitchers of all time), Big Unit (The greatest left handed pitcher post deadball era), Kerry Wood (...well, if it wasnt for all the injuries). Meanwhile the perfect game has been pitched by pitchers like David Cone, David Wells (fat drunk), Len Barker (who?), etc. The perfect game is the manifestation of luck. 20 k's is the manifestation of skillZ.

northsider
07-24-2009, 03:54 PM
For a pitcher it's 20k's but, as a team its obviously the perfect cause everyone has to be on point that game just ask Dwayne Wise.

brandonwarne52
07-24-2009, 03:54 PM
I'll take the perfect game but only because you can't lose that game.

Pinstripe pride
07-24-2009, 03:55 PM
perfect game.........withy 20 ks

DLeeicious
07-24-2009, 03:56 PM
20k's is a ridiculous feat. So is a perfect game, but as mentioned above that is more of a team effort than just the pitcher.

Method28
07-24-2009, 04:01 PM
I wanna see someone throw a perfect game with 21ks lol

Brooklyn Mets
07-24-2009, 04:05 PM
20 k > perfecto

TheRuckus
07-24-2009, 04:05 PM
20 strike outs, without a doubt.

The only thing a pitcher did in a a perfect game game was not walk anyone, which happens every day. Perfect games and no hitters are way, way more about hitters and fielders than the pitcher.

In other words, 20 K's is skill. Perfect games and no hitters are just meaningless random occurances.

This, basically.

northsider
07-24-2009, 04:06 PM
I'll take the perfect game but only because you can't lose that game.

That's not the question the question is which is more impressive but, yes you can't lost a perfect game but, I think someone has lost a no hitter if I remember correctly.

JDIsMyGod23
07-24-2009, 04:08 PM
Little know fact, but since I know way to much more than a 23 year old should.

Tom Cheney from the LA Angels struck out 21 in an extra inning game in I BELIEVE 1961, I know it's the early 1960s

And K's is more impressive, but perfect game is cooler. Every pitch matters in perfect game.

northsider
07-24-2009, 04:13 PM
Little know fact, but since I know way to much more than a 23 year old should.

Tom Cheney from the LA Angels struck out 21 in an extra inning game in I BELIEVE 1961, I know it's the early 1960s

And K's is more impressive, but perfect game is cooler. Every pitch matters in perfect game.

You are correct it took him 21innings which is why 20 in 9 is :speechless:.

Evolution=FACT
07-24-2009, 04:13 PM
not even close....perfect game.

brandonwarne52
07-24-2009, 04:18 PM
That's not the question the question is which is more impressive but, yes you can't lost a perfect game but, I think someone has lost a no hitter if I remember correctly.

Oh for sure.

I think Andy Hawkins or Mike Scott or somebody.

championships
07-24-2009, 04:19 PM
Perfect game cause its a full team effort. No one can commit an error plus the pitcher can't walk anyone and has to face the minimum amount of batters. 20ks is still pretty sik.

JDIsMyGod23
07-24-2009, 04:21 PM
You are correct it took him 21innings which is why 20 in 9 is :speechless:.

Took him 16 actually, but nevertheless.

Pride
07-24-2009, 04:22 PM
Definitely a 20 strikeout performance. First of all, perfect games are much more common then a 20 k game. Secondly,a perfect game is heavily reliant on luck and help from your defense. While a 20 k game means that the pitcher dominated the hitters by making them swing and miss during the majority of at bats, which IMO is more a display of skill from the pitcher.

Seamhead
07-24-2009, 04:24 PM
I'm going to be a condescending ******* here and say something like:

20 K's -- without a doubt!

northsider
07-24-2009, 04:27 PM
Took him 16 actually, but nevertheless.

You sir are very correct now I will go beat myself with a wooden ladle.

TheDetroitBlue
07-24-2009, 04:32 PM
Perfect Game

Jamiecballer
07-24-2009, 04:42 PM
20 K's is physical dominance

A perfect game is a great outing + lightning in a bottle

zambo4president
07-24-2009, 08:22 PM
As a pitcher i think its easily perfect game. You have to be dead on as does your team. Striking out 20 is ****in dealin though.

skymin5
07-24-2009, 08:38 PM
For a pitcher it's 20k's but, as a team its obviously the perfect cause everyone has to be on point that game just ask Dwayne Wise.

this

Tragedy
07-24-2009, 08:48 PM
It's funny how rare a 20 strike out performance is, yet I'd still say a perfect game is more impressive.

Knowledge
07-24-2009, 08:55 PM
20k.

You can average stuff and throw a perfect game as long as you know to pitch. 20k can only happen if you have elite stuff.

Yankee Lifer
07-24-2009, 09:33 PM
Perfect game hands down, but if you have 20 strikeout's in a game you may not be too far from a perfect game.

Rad_Racing
07-24-2009, 09:40 PM
Perfect game hands down, but if you have 20 strikeout's in a game you may not be too far from a perfect game.

Yeah, just ask Wood he gave up one hit and 0 BB in his 20 K game. I think he hit a dude though.

NYY NYJ NYK
07-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Perfect Game

giantspwn
07-24-2009, 11:19 PM
20 k's.

Chicago657
07-24-2009, 11:26 PM
Kerry Wood's 20 strikeout game is, statistically, the best pitched game in history. If you're into sabermetrics.

Rio40
07-24-2009, 11:29 PM
Statistically speaking, 20 k's is better and much harder to do. The perfect game has been done 18 times, and by some irrelevant pitchers in baseball history. Think about who has accomplished the feat. - Roger Clemans (prior to steroid scandal, considered one of the best pitchers of all time), Big Unit (The greatest left handed pitcher post deadball era), Kerry Wood (...well, if it wasnt for all the injuries). Meanwhile the perfect game has been pitched by pitchers like David Cone, David Wells (fat drunk), Len Barker (who?), etc. The perfect game is the manifestation of luck. 20 k's is the manifestation of skillZ.

good post

brandonwarne52
07-24-2009, 11:38 PM
Kerry Wood's 20 strikeout game is, statistically, the best pitched game in history. If you're into sabermetrics.

Win Probability Added or which metric?

mdabstar
07-24-2009, 11:46 PM
20 Ks i think are harder

Slumberking
07-24-2009, 11:58 PM
perfect games are very cool indeed! However, 20 K's in a game is just plain NASTY. Its only happened 4 times. that shows you which is tougher, and therefore more difficult to do.

Brawler47
07-25-2009, 12:05 AM
The perfect game has a lot more prestige than 20 K games but that may be bc it happens slightly more often than the 20 K games. IMO 20 K's is a heluva lot harder than a perfect game, hence the reason that perfect games happen a little more often.

koldjerky
07-25-2009, 12:20 AM
27 compared to 20.

Talk to me when a guy pitches a perfect 27 K game.

ILikeThePhils
07-25-2009, 12:24 AM
What if a guy struck out 20 in a perfect game?

theLgndKllr35
07-25-2009, 12:30 AM
What if a guy struck out 20 in a perfect game?

What if a guy struck out 27 in a perfect game? Better yet, what if he struck out 30+ in a no hitter?

Brawler47
07-25-2009, 12:34 AM
Is it still a perfect game if it goes into extra innings? If so, I guess it could be possible to pitch a 30+ K perfect game. NOW THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!

wright30510
07-25-2009, 12:34 AM
which one is more impressive a perfect game or a 20 K game?

It has to be 2o strike outs. In a perfect game there has to be luck involved. For instance in Buerhles perfect game there was a ball hit down the left field line that was 6 inches foul. There was also a pitch to zobrist that was close to a ball with a 3-2 count and it could have been called either way and it went in buerhle favor.Also the wise catch. That ball was definatley going out and if scott podsenick was still in center that would have been gone. When you get 20 K's that is skill and it is being done by no1 but yourself. There for 20 K's is more impresive.

ILikeThePhils
07-25-2009, 12:35 AM
Is it still a perfect game if it goes into extra innings? If so, I guess it could be possible to pitch a 30+ K perfect game. NOW THAT WOULD BE AWESOME!!!!

It would also take about 200 pitches depending on how long it goes.

wright30510
07-25-2009, 12:37 AM
20 strike outs, without a doubt.

The only thing a pitcher did in a a perfect game game was not walk anyone, which happens every day. Perfect games and no hitters are way, way more about hitters and fielders than the pitcher.

In other words, 20 K's is skill. Perfect games and no hitters are just meaningless random occurances.

I 100% agree. Buerhle fielders were just in the right place at the right time.

Hustla23
07-25-2009, 12:44 AM
Perfection is luck.

20 K's is skill.

koldjerky
07-25-2009, 01:23 AM
Perfection is luck.

20 K's is skill.

You could have a very generous ump.

jacquewho?
07-25-2009, 01:27 AM
20 K's is just sick, but I still am gonna go with the Perfect Game. No walks or hits and gotta try to stay under 110-120 pitches for 9 innings....takes some skill.

CarniifeX
07-25-2009, 01:36 AM
its happened 4 times

once by Kerry Wood (Cubs)
once by Randy Johnson (DBacks)
twice by Roger Clemens (Red Sox)

Didn't Ramon Martinez do it with the Dodgers?

SFGiants4life
07-25-2009, 03:40 AM
Just go ask Randy Johnson, he has one of each

TheNewbster
07-25-2009, 03:57 AM
Just go ask Randy Johnson, he has one of each

touche touche

but at that, personally, i would say that 20+ strikeouts is way more impressive. a person that does that demonstrates that essentially, his defense could have brought magazines to the field when he's pitching. that is simply sick.

StealingSigns
07-25-2009, 05:24 AM
20 K's.

Inferno50
07-25-2009, 05:43 AM
just think what did randy johnson want? a perfect game or 20 K's...i would say 20 K's is up there because anyone can put the ball into play if they want to, but not giving up a hit or a walk in that sequence of 27 outs is better, a perfect game can only come once every so many years, but pitchers can strike out 20 and (depending on the team) can still lose, being perfect means its your team winning and the pitcher being remembered. Everyone is going to remember a perfect game over a 20 K game, i dont know it just seems as a pitcher being perfect is the goal for every game its just more important than the K ratio to them

Knowledge
07-25-2009, 05:45 AM
Idiot

I guess me and 47 other people who voted for 20k are all idiots.

BlinkManJan02
07-25-2009, 08:28 AM
i would say 20k is more impressive for a pitcher, since he is doing that on his own. he has fielding to depend on for a perfect game.

JDIsMyGod23
07-25-2009, 12:21 PM
I just noticed the poll says witch. Yabba habba.

dastar1949
07-25-2009, 01:03 PM
Strike out 20 walk 3 or 4 give up 2 hr's lose 5 to 0 ..Its a friggin loss...
perfect game your team wins.. 56 game hitting streak or hitting 400 ? both great feats but different ..so is this poll..

I guess it boils down to are you a Sox fan or a Cubbie

MetsNats1969
07-25-2009, 01:15 PM
This was tougher than I thought. For a 20-strikeout game, it means the pitcher is on top, controlling his emotions, pitching with a plan and pitching smart. He is probably in sync with the catcher, and certainly executing.

The perfect game means the entire team is operating in sync -- pitching, defense, and enough offense to allow the players and coaches to operate with confidence. And invariably there is a play -- the catch in center field in Buehrle's game, for instance -- that requires one or more teammates to back up what's happening on the mound. An outfielder or infielder can break up the game by not paying attention.

If the question is which is more impressive as an individual, then I might take the 20-strikeout over the perfect game. But more impressive as a team is the perfect game.

¿QUE?
07-25-2009, 01:27 PM
Good question. Ima have to go with a 20 K game. Yes, a perfect game is amazing. And tho the result might be better then a 20K game, ones stuff must be untouchable, not just unhittable. A perfect game could be, like we saw recentley, saved by a trememndous play and lucky brakes here or there (not taking anything away from it.) Also, there have been, what, 18 perfect games and only 4 20 K games. Damn.

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2009, 01:34 PM
One time, a team needs to decide to just throw a game. REFUSE to get the players out unless its a strikeout. If a ball is hit and in play... just let it go. Hopefully Daniel Cabrera is on the field and he will strikeout every time up. If he does manage to make contact... just let it roll.

mikantsass
07-25-2009, 01:52 PM
Perfect game hands down. Someone can strike out 20 and still LOSE the game.

Cubs Win
07-25-2009, 02:04 PM
A perfect game is a more impressive feat as a team. It takes every fielder being on their toes for every play and ready to make the play. In addition the pitcher still has to have very good stuff.

However, it takes much better stuff to strike out 20 guys in a major league game. The pitcher just has to be absolutely filthy. To strike out 20 major league hitters with in a 9 inning span is just ridiculous.

With that said, being a pitcher, I'd rather throw a perfect game. I can't really pinpoint why but maybe partially because its a team accomplishment as well. But if I ever did either I'd be more than pleased.

Rdy2PlayBall
07-25-2009, 04:43 PM
Wth? Is this something we want to watch or look at in a record book? 20Ks is interesting in a stat sheet but boring as hell watching. A perfect game is so stressful and crazy to watch, only those who are a fan of a team being part of one would know. 20ks mean the team sucked that day, no matter how good the pitches, the team just couldn't make contact because they sucked. A perfect game requires defense, the perfect pitches, every pitch thrown makes your heart stop. Perfect game FTW...

20ks <<<<<<<<<< Perfect Game

Both are great, but perfect games are just... perfect

SJ5382
07-25-2009, 04:59 PM
I'm gonna go with 20-K game. A perfect game is obviously amazing, but there's also a great deal of luck involved.

kmoneyjuice
07-25-2009, 05:44 PM
I guess me and 47 other people who voted for 20k are all idiots.

Not calling him an idiot for his vote, but for his rational. Why are phillies fans so confrentational, and take things out of context - just like women with self esteem issues?!

kmoneyjuice
07-25-2009, 05:53 PM
Perfection is luck.

20 K's is skill.

You've never played baseball before. 20 is a skill but perfection is not luck. both feats though, have luck involved, more in perfect, but the beauty of perfection is knowinig how to pitch i.e. Mark's. Baseball is a mental game and 20 k's is an aberation unless you know how to pitch. I'll take Mark's career. He has been smart. Just like Randy and Roger- smart pitchers also with filthy stuff. They can suceeed without the stuff which is more impressive. The most impressive "pitcher" in baseball is Jamie Moyer.

dee279
07-25-2009, 06:02 PM
20 strike outs, without a doubt.

The only thing a pitcher did in a a perfect game game was not walk anyone, which happens every day. Perfect games and no hitters are way, way more about hitters and fielders than the pitcher.

In other words, 20 K's is skill. Perfect games and no hitters are just meaningless random occurances.

IM glad you told me that. Im not a MLB fan so i had no idea but i was curious what a perfect game was. But i pick 20 K's too because i know that would have to be hard to do.

lorenz00
07-25-2009, 06:14 PM
perfect

flyers1618
07-25-2009, 06:21 PM
20 k's

Perfect games are still impressive but look at buerhle's perfect game. His centerfielder robbed a home run for the 2nd to last out. He doesn't make that play not only does buerhle not have a perfect game but he loses a shutout. Sanchez for the giants could of had a perfect game if his 3rd baseman could have fielded the ball cleanly (grant it it was hit very hard). Perfect games are great pitching games where the pitcher usually gets help from their fielders for a play or 2. 20 k's is just a pitchers domination over the opponents lineup. Most likely there wouldn't be a single batter that went up to the plate that game and didn't at least strikeout once. The strikeout is all due to the pitcher.

northsider
07-25-2009, 06:24 PM
Wth? Is this something we want to watch or look at in a record book? 20Ks is interesting in a stat sheet but boring as hell watching. A perfect game is so stressful and crazy to watch, only those who are a fan of a team being part of one would know. 20ks mean the team sucked that day, no matter how good the pitches, the team just couldn't make contact because they sucked. A perfect game requires defense, the perfect pitches, every pitch thrown makes your heart stop. Perfect game FTW...

20ks <<<<<<<<<< Perfect Game

Both are great, but perfect games are just... perfect

Ahahahahah You really must be kidding .

Using your logic wouldn't this also be true for a perfect game?

Rdy2PlayBall
07-25-2009, 06:35 PM
Ahahahahah You really must be kidding .

Using your logic wouldn't this also be true for a perfect game?Oh yea, both teams would have to suck that day... but 20Ks just means that team REALLY SUCKED.

20ks and a no-hitter (only one walk) beats a perfect game for sure, but if it's just 20Ks and a bunch of hits, or runs, then it stinks.

sexicano31
07-25-2009, 07:03 PM
20 k game by far. Its a pitcher's job to keep people from getting on base so a perfect game really shouldnt be that impressive

WoodbridgeSkins
07-25-2009, 07:14 PM
It's gotta be a 20k game. Only been done 4 times. Perfect game has a lot to do with fielding.

I must say this is a GREAT question/poll.

PSU840
07-25-2009, 07:22 PM
perfect. its a team effort.

20 ks is still might impressive though

Bray991
07-25-2009, 07:32 PM
[QUOTE=northsider;10263260]For a pitcher it's 20k's but, as a team its obviously the perfect cause everyone has to be on point that game just ask Dwayne Wise.[/QUOTE/]

Perfectly said!! Any player would rather have a perfect game, but 20k ball game is sick nasty as a pitcher

yankeefan54
07-25-2009, 07:50 PM
perfection

yankeefan54
07-25-2009, 07:51 PM
27ks would acually be more impressive

Liney3506
07-26-2009, 10:57 AM
20 strikeouts. It means that you didn't allow 20 batters to even TOUCH the ball with 2 strikes. That's impressive.

a-rod 4 prez
07-26-2009, 11:03 AM
perfect game. all it takes to get 20 strikeouts is let the other team get on base and just get outs by strike outs and when its hit in play dont get the opposing team out.

VenezuelanMet
07-26-2009, 11:13 AM
20Ks.

Hell, even Ben Sheets' 18Ks game a couple of years ago is as impressive.

OC Knights #11
07-26-2009, 12:35 PM
20ks
I've never seen anyone do this.

fanofclendennon
07-27-2009, 07:30 AM
20ks are more impressive but a perfect game is more magical.

Quite frankly, I'd rather see my team's pitcher throw a perfect game or a no-hitter than strike out 20 batters. Maybe that's because I'm a Met fan and we've already had two pitchers strike out 19 batters but never a perfect game or no hitter. (Ironically those pitchers threw no hitters -- one was perfect -- after they left the Mets.)

ThisIsTheYear
07-27-2009, 09:08 AM
20 K game is definetly more impressive. Perfect games are lots of luck, and average joe pitchers are able to pitch them.

Look at who pitched 20 K games, players with some of the nastiest stuff ever. Takes a lot more skill.

misterd
07-27-2009, 09:37 AM
Perfect game for sure because that little bloop hit can happen anytime.

Not if you struck out 20 of them.

There have been 18 perfect games. 4 20 K games. Neither is a meaningless, statistical fluke (like hitting for the cycle), or a creation of pure circumstance (triple play). Both are worthwhile accomplishments, but the fact that 20Ks have happened less than 1/4 as often as perfectos, I have to go with the 20Ks.

boogieman
07-27-2009, 09:43 AM
its happened 4 times

once by Kerry Wood (Cubs)
once by Randy Johnson (DBacks)
twice by Roger Clemens (Red Sox)

Which just goes to show you that 20 K's is more impressive.

ILikeThePhils
08-15-2009, 05:34 PM
You've never played baseball before. 20 is a skill but perfection is not luck. both feats though, have luck involved, more in perfect, but the beauty of perfection is knowinig how to pitch i.e. Mark's. Baseball is a mental game and 20 k's is an aberation unless you know how to pitch. I'll take Mark's career. He has been smart. Just like Randy and Roger- smart pitchers also with filthy stuff. They can suceeed without the stuff which is more impressive. The most impressive "pitcher" in baseball is Jamie Moyer.


I agree with you here, for the most part. Guys who pitch, not throw. You can succeed as a thrower, but when you learn to pitch, that is when you become truly great.

Grim Reaper
08-15-2009, 07:07 PM
How could anyone pick a perfect game? There's only been four 20 strikeout games in MLB history. You know how many perfect games have been thrown? Striking out 20 batters is more rare and a lot harder.

CQSox305
08-15-2009, 07:29 PM
Perfect all day! Wood was on roids when he got 20 k's

CQSox305
08-15-2009, 07:30 PM
Other than Randy Johnson both 20 K guys are suspected Juicers.

HuRRiCaNeS324
08-15-2009, 07:32 PM
Its called a perfect game for a reason. You can have a 20 k game but still allow 5 runs with walks, a couple hits, and a homerun or two and lose. 20 k game is amazing, but a perfect game is better.

bosox3431
08-15-2009, 09:21 PM
Its called a perfect game for a reason. You can have a 20 k game but still allow 5 runs with walks, a couple hits, and a homerun or two and lose. 20 k game is amazing, but a perfect game is better.

It depends, do they mean more impressive for the team or for the pitcher. Perfect game is a team accomplishment, not just the pitchers, its simply the entire team dominating the other. Where as 20 k's is the pitcher alone dominating the batters. Without Wise's defense Buehrle dosent throw the perfect game. Regardless of defense all four of those pitchers get the 20 k's

ciaban
08-15-2009, 10:09 PM
im going to go with 20k's because it didn't happen for the first time till the 80's, which is over a 100 years of ball

DC82
08-15-2009, 10:20 PM
20k is more rare than perfect games, but I think a perfect game is more impressive.

klane079
08-15-2009, 11:09 PM
20Ks takes physical dominance....its more impressive as an individual....perfect game can have a lot to do with luck & teamwork (ex. robbing hr in Buehrle's PG).

Raps18-19 Champ
08-15-2009, 11:47 PM
A 20 K perfect game.

The closest I got in MLB on my 360 was 18K perfect game.

Raps18-19 Champ
08-15-2009, 11:48 PM
The crappiest pitchers could probably go for a perfect game. All you need to do is not to give up home runs and let the defense catch and throw to base.

cHi8DaL5LA420
08-15-2009, 11:57 PM
a perfect game is a perfect game... it does not get any better than that you can have 20 ks and you still might give up 5 runs and lose the game... perfect game all day name says it all duh

Seamhead
08-16-2009, 12:04 AM
a perfect game is a perfect game... it does not get any better than that you can have 20 ks and you still might give up 5 runs and lose the game... perfect game all day name says it all duh

Yeah, duh. How could you not agree with such infallible logic? :laugh:

klane079
08-16-2009, 12:13 AM
The question wasn't which is better...it is which is more impressive?

IMO that means which is harder to do....

Statistics say 20ks

klane079
08-16-2009, 12:27 AM
I think a pitchers goal for every game is to throw a perfect game. As I stated earlier a perfect game is based on a "team" effort. 20Ks would be ALL the pitcher...and as stated it has been only been done a handful of times....

I'm not taking anything away from a perfect game....thats exactly what it is.... "PERFECT" but it has been done by 18 different pitchers now...its becoming like the 50 HR mark for a season....not as "elite" as it once was...

Maybe he should have asked which would be more impressive...21Ks or Perfect game....

In that case how many K's would be more "impressive" than a perfect game?

whitesoxfan83
08-16-2009, 10:47 AM
20 strike outs, without a doubt.

The only thing a pitcher did in a a perfect game game was not walk anyone, which happens every day. Perfect games and no hitters are way, way more about hitters and fielders than the pitcher.

In other words, 20 K's is skill. Perfect games and no hitters are just meaningless random occurances.

While working at Comcast this summer this became a really hot topic to argue about: which was the greater Chicago pitching performance:

Kerry Wood and his 20ks

or

Mark Buehrle and his perfect game


The Sox are far and away my favorite team and Buerhle is far and away my favorite player, but the logic you presented was the same argument i made at CSN and the same one ill make now.

20Ks is a hell of a lot more impressive.

And as for Wood-Buehrle. I still give the nod to Wood, he had 20 Ks and only gave up 1 hit, which if i recall was a bogus hit.

Only 3 players have gotten 20Ks in a game, at least three or four times that have pitched perfect games.

But i do not agree perfect games and no nos are meaningless.

Ray_R
08-16-2009, 11:07 AM
honeslty it hard to choose but i would say the same but if anything 20k shows u depended more on yourself than the defense

AsfanSince99
08-16-2009, 01:14 PM
I'll take the perfect game but only because you can't lose that game.

this is prob the best argument thus far..

cubs0707
08-16-2009, 01:21 PM
a perfect game is a perfect game... It does not get any better than that you can have 20 ks and you still might give up 5 runs and lose the game... Perfect game all day name says it all duh

said a sox fan

Super.
08-16-2009, 04:19 PM
20k takes far more skills than a perfect game. Could you imagine a 20k perfect game? :drool:

INeedMyJays
08-16-2009, 04:36 PM
The word "perfect" is rarely used. When you call it a perfect game, it really means something.

Twinke Masta
08-16-2009, 04:42 PM
Both require a tremendous amount of luck. Perfect game requires a bit more luck, 20 K game requires more skill.

bagwell368
08-16-2009, 04:46 PM
I voted for 20k's, just remember before we had $10M a year HR hitting 2B, that K's were much harder to come by, so a 15k game in 1934 may be hard or harder then a 20k game against a Seattle club (Clemens #1) featuring a huge number of high K hitters.

In '37 DiMaggio hit 46 HR with 37 K's. Name me the last guy to hit over 45 HR's with that ratio.....

But even if you had the 60's with 17 and other pro rated counts, you might still have more perfect games then high K games.

Personally, I'd take either one.