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CarniifeX
07-18-2009, 10:43 PM
Which team has the best 3-4 hitter combo, and why?

EDIT: I tried adding a poll but it took longer than 10 minutes for me to make so I couldn't post a thread. And I really don't feel like making another poll.

Letsgoheat3
07-18-2009, 10:44 PM
right now id say utley and howard, but in a couple years, hanley and stanton baby

CB30
07-18-2009, 10:47 PM
Brewers, Phillies, and Yankees are all legit. I would pick Brewers as the best though.

Faithdies
07-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Honestly there are a lot of good answers and only a few that are indefensible.

gocubs2118
07-18-2009, 10:58 PM
Right now I would say Braun and Fielder but Utley and Howard are right behind them.

Vinny642
07-18-2009, 11:07 PM
Chipper and McCann anyone?

Letsgoheat3
07-18-2009, 11:12 PM
Chipper and McCann anyone?

uh no. Its not even close.

NYYankeesWin#27
07-18-2009, 11:29 PM
teix-arod

braun-fielder

GoatMilk
07-18-2009, 11:31 PM
Manny-Blake

CarniifeX
07-18-2009, 11:35 PM
Manny-Blake

Let's try to be serious.

Hustla23
07-18-2009, 11:37 PM
Texeira - Arod

Vinny642
07-18-2009, 11:37 PM
uh no. Its not even close.

yes they are close, the are one of the best

ugafan
07-18-2009, 11:40 PM
yes they are close, the are one of the best

No, they're not in the discussion for the best. They're borderline top 10.
Pujols and Ludwick.

CarniifeX
07-18-2009, 11:41 PM
I would have to go with Braun/Fielder or Mauer/Morneau

Vinny642
07-18-2009, 11:47 PM
No, they're not in the discussion for the best. They're borderline top 10.
Pujols and Ludwick.

I consider top 10, the best:shrug:

**** no they arent the best but w/e

Paulliwali
07-18-2009, 11:49 PM
As a homer
tex and Arod
if not braun and fielder(steriods?sry can't be helped)

Letsgoheat3
07-18-2009, 11:49 PM
yes they are close, the are one of the best

They are 5th at best

Yanks All Day
07-18-2009, 11:55 PM
right now:

mauer/morneau (both are playing amazing)
braun/fielder (both are really hot, but not mauer-morneau level)
teix/a-rod (when both are fully healthy and hitting, easily the best 3-4 combo)
pujols/ludwick (pujols is pujols, and ludwick has been slumping since coming off injury)
utley/howard (both are great players, but both are also too streaky to be higher than 5)

johnnylee722
07-19-2009, 12:08 AM
Tex and A-Riod
Braun and Fielder
Utley and Howard
Mauer and Morneau

CB30
07-19-2009, 12:13 AM
As a homer
tex and Arod
if not braun and fielder(steriods?sry can't be helped)

Steroids mentioned for two guys who havent been caught, no steroids mentioned for the guy who has been caught. Hmmmmmm.

pf289
07-19-2009, 12:31 AM
teix-arod

braun-fielder

Absolutely agree.

sieracki24
07-19-2009, 12:35 AM
As a Brewers fan, I love this thread because Braun/Fielder have to be in the conversation for the top three without much question.

I really love the Mauer/Morneau combo and think if they were in a bigger market or had more "flash" they would be considered the best.

The Yankees and Phillies definitely have great combos too.

The Cardinals probably round out the top five and would be higher but Ludwick is too streaky for me to consider them any higher. Pujols is clearly the best though.

xwashableclothx
07-19-2009, 12:42 AM
As a homer
tex and Arod
if not braun and fielder(steriods?sry can't be helped)

cause he wins the home run derby now hes on roids?
hes just a big dude, i think hes listed at like 270(but its more like 300)

braun and fielder is my vote btw

Sean McG
07-19-2009, 12:46 AM
Longoria-Pena brings everything but speed, they are up there. Not the best, but up there.

yanksknicksgmen
07-19-2009, 12:55 AM
tex-arod

mauer morneu

braun-prince

utley-howard

longoria pena

dbow1920
07-19-2009, 12:58 AM
1. Braun-Fielder
2. Tex-Arod
3. Utley-Howard or Mauer-Morneau

TheHoopsProphet
07-19-2009, 12:58 AM
I really think its got to be the M&M boys 2.0. Yea, my answers more of a spur of the moment thing, but even though both Morneau and Mauer are having career years, they were still really good players before hand. They both seemed to have hit their prime.

YankeeFan89
07-19-2009, 01:03 AM
Brewers, Phillies, and Yankees are all legit. I would pick Brewers as the best though.

Yes.

lavell12
07-19-2009, 01:07 AM
1. Mauer/Morneau- Bring power and great hitting
2. Braun/Fielder- Bring power and hit for average
3. A-Rod/Teixeira- I wouldn't trust either one in the clutch but still good.
4. Utley/Howard- I don't consider Howard a great pure hitter but he is a great power hitter.
5. Longoria/Pena- One of them hits for power and the other is the best third basemen in a division with A-Rod
6. Pujols/Ludwick- Ludwick may have be a one year star but a monkey could hit behind Pujols and still make the top 10.
7. Jones/McCann- when it comes to purely scientific hitting and singles hitting this is the best on the list, lack a little power but great hitters.

PhillyBoomerang
07-19-2009, 01:49 AM
Utley/Howard
Mauer/Mourneau
Braun/Fielder

Top 3

RedCharger
07-19-2009, 01:54 AM
Young & Hamilton

long ball
07-19-2009, 02:12 AM
1. Mauer/Morneau- Bring power and great hitting
2. Braun/Fielder- Bring power and hit for average
3. A-Rod/Teixeira- I wouldn't trust either one in the clutch but still good.
4. Utley/Howard- I don't consider Howard a great pure hitter but he is a great power hitter.
5. Longoria/Pena- One of them hits for power and the other is the best third basemen in a division with A-Rod
6. Pujols/Ludwick- Ludwick may have be a one year star but a monkey could hit behind Pujols and still make the top 10.
7. Jones/McCann- when it comes to purely scientific hitting and singles hitting this is the best on the list, lack a little power but great hitters.

I like your top 4, but i would have cards, braves, rays for 5 6 7.

CY24
07-19-2009, 02:53 AM
I think tat J. Upton and Mark Reynolds should be getting some more props. A deadly combo

CarniifeX
07-19-2009, 04:08 AM
I don't really know what the Angels 3-4 hitting combo is, because of the injuries.

But either of Bobby Abreu, Torii Hunter, Juan Rivera, and Kendry Morales can make a great 3-4.

Let's use Rivera and Morales because of the injurues to Vlad and Torii.

Rivera: .309 AVG, 16 HR, 53 RBI, .873 OPS

Morales: .291, 17 HR, 52 RBI, .896 OPS

Pretty good if you ask me. And those are actually our 5-6 hitters when the Angels are at full strength. But say we used Hunter and Morales......


Mauer/Morneau: 1.011 OPS

Braun/Fielder: .982 OPS

Utley/Howard: .942 OPS

Teixeira/A-Rod: .931 OPS

Hunter/Morales: .913 OPS

So they're for sure up there. Now, the Angels do however have one of the best 3-4-5 hitting teams. But then again, their 2-3-4-5-6-7 hitters aren't too bad either.

Abreu: .834 OPS

Hunter: .938 OPS

Guerrero: .734 OPS (176 AB's)

Rivera: .869 OPS

Morales: .888 OPS

Napoli: .899 OPS

Average: .860 OPS (.885 OPS without Guerrero)

Not too shabby for a team who had trouble scoring runs last year.

Bozarkian
07-19-2009, 06:54 AM
Pujols and Ludwick!
even though Ludwick has been hurt and struggling all year, Pujols just makes up for it...
and in July, Ludwick has a .404 average, 4 HR & 20 RBI, so I believe he has turned the corner

atl_braves_fan
07-20-2009, 01:04 PM
I would say Brewers or Yankees.

Matt-the-great
07-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Mauer-Morneau (both are top 5 AL MVP candidates)

Braun-Fielder (or vice-versa)

Pujols-Ludwick (almost anyone with Pujols needs consideration)

Tex-Rodriguez (also most expensive duo)

Kemp-Manny (they dont bat them that way, but they should)

Utley-Howard (Howard is still over-rated though)

Youkilis-Ortiz (since Papi came back at least)

brandonwarne52
07-21-2009, 12:46 AM
I don't really know what the Angels 3-4 hitting combo is, because of the injuries.

But either of Bobby Abreu, Torii Hunter, Juan Rivera, and Kendry Morales can make a great 3-4.

Let's use Rivera and Morales because of the injurues to Vlad and Torii.

Rivera: .309 AVG, 16 HR, 53 RBI, .873 OPS

Morales: .291, 17 HR, 52 RBI, .896 OPS

Pretty good if you ask me. And those are actually our 5-6 hitters when the Angels are at full strength. But say we used Hunter and Morales......


Mauer/Morneau: 1.011 OPS

Braun/Fielder: .982 OPS

Utley/Howard: .942 OPS

Teixeira/A-Rod: .931 OPS

Hunter/Morales: .913 OPS

So they're for sure up there. Now, the Angels do however have one of the best 3-4-5 hitting teams. But then again, their 2-3-4-5-6-7 hitters aren't too bad either.

Abreu: .834 OPS

Hunter: .938 OPS

Guerrero: .734 OPS (176 AB's)

Rivera: .869 OPS

Morales: .888 OPS

Napoli: .899 OPS

Average: .860 OPS (.885 OPS without Guerrero)

Not too shabby for a team who had trouble scoring runs last year.

Mauer-Morneau-Kubel could be best 3-4-5.

BaustinSali08
07-21-2009, 01:44 AM
Braun and Fielder, and Mauer and Morneau. By the way, Mauer's swing is so fluid...It makes me want to swing a bat every time I see it.

Kings of Queens
07-22-2009, 01:16 PM
Beltran-Wright?

i know...my team sucks...but I can dream.

blujaysrock
07-22-2009, 01:18 PM
Mauer - Morneau is pretty good, Braun - Fielder as well.

CarniifeX
07-22-2009, 02:27 PM
Mauer-Morneau-Kubel could be best 3-4-5.

Yeah add Cuddyer's bounce back year as well and that's a good middle of the order.

wOBA by player

Abreu .380

Hunter .404

Rivera .376

Morales .370

Average: .383


Mauer .435

Morneau .412

Kubel .396

Cuddyer .376

Average: .404


Can't argue with that.

Tkais9009
07-25-2009, 01:21 AM
Pujols and Ludwick/Holliday

Over See'er
08-03-2009, 01:33 AM
Tough question, right now there’s too many really good 3-4 combos to even pick one. I can come up with no less then 12 truly awesome 3-4’s I like to watch.

brandonwarne52
08-03-2009, 02:19 AM
Pretty sure statistically it's still Mauer-Morneau. One leads the AL in OPS, OPS+, OBP, and SLG. The other leads the AL in HR, RBI, is 2nd in SLG and OPS+, 4th in OPS, and after homering today is one point shy of making both of them players over with an OPS over 1000.

Yeah. It's Mauer-Morneau. No question about it.

pats2009
08-03-2009, 02:32 PM
Youkilis Papi

brandonwarne52
08-03-2009, 04:31 PM
Youkilis Papi

You misspelled Mauer-Morneau.

Baldyy
08-08-2009, 08:23 PM
You misspelled Mauer-Morneau.

:laugh2:

NJBASEBALL22
08-09-2009, 03:15 AM
In the series between the Twins and Yanks before the All-Star game, when the Yankees had like 3 or 4 walk-off wins in a row. That is when I realized how insane of a combo Mauer and Mornuea is. It was seriously just them two in the line up and they still put up a hell of a fight. Mornuea, even after the MVP, is so underrated and Mauer just decided he wanted to hit homeruns. When u look at AVG, XB hits, and RBI, those two are flawless. Neither is a major slugger, they just hit scorching line drives EVERY at bat.

(I think they have all been mentioned before but...) A few others in the conversation are Braun/Fielder, Utley/Howard, AROD/Teixeira

The_Mac22
08-09-2009, 05:40 AM
Brewers do.

CY24
08-09-2009, 03:16 PM
Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds. Look at the numbers, you'll be shocked.

CY24
08-09-2009, 03:21 PM
They have a combined:

.295 avg/55 hr/145 RBI/36 SB

That has to be Top 3..atleast

DP318
08-09-2009, 03:27 PM
Youkilis Papi

Didn't Papi die a few monthes ago?

The_Mac22
08-09-2009, 03:31 PM
Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds. Look at the numbers, you'll be shocked.

homer?

bartoron
08-09-2009, 05:25 PM
Braun and Fielder seem like the best pair to me.


Youkilis Papi

David Ortiz is done.

Phelps89
08-09-2009, 10:40 PM
Pujols and Holliday

Matt-the-great
08-09-2009, 11:13 PM
Justin Upton and Mark Reynolds. Look at the numbers, you'll be shocked.

Despite thinking you are possibly the biggest and most hopeless homer on this site; i must agree that those 2 need mentioned...i didnt even think about them...

but in light of Reynolds recent tear they are super impressive....amazing that much power has 36 sb between them


Current numbers:

Upton: .301/.374/.541 - 20 Hr, 66 rbi, 16 sb (could have 30 hr, 100 rbi, 20 sb season)

Reynolds: .290/.377/.613 - 36 Hr, 80 rbi, 20 sb (could reach 50 hr, 100 rbi, 30 sb season!!!)

OzzieTheWiz
08-10-2009, 12:18 AM
3.Pujols
4.Holliday

klane079
08-10-2009, 01:08 AM
Mauer
Morneau

IndiansFan337
08-10-2009, 01:17 AM
1. Brewers
2. Phillies
3. Yankees

brandonwarne52
08-10-2009, 03:37 AM
1. Brewers
2. Phillies
3. Yankees

And yet you missed the best one.

Mauer - .366/.434/.615 (all of which lead the AL, for a 181 OPS+ also leading the AL)

Morneau - .303/.387/.572 (2nd in the AL in SLG and OPS+, 3rd in AL OPS and leads the league in total bases, home runs, and RBI with a stellar 156 OPS+)

And then you can factor in Kubel - .305/.377/.548 (10 in AL SLG, 8th in OPS, 4th in OPS+, and 3rd in intentional walks).

So there you have it, the Twins have #'s 1, 2, and 4 in the AL in OPS+ batting 3-4-5. Cuddyer's not half bad either (.270/.344/.496)

Gigantes4Life
08-10-2009, 04:30 AM
Braun and Fielder have produced the most runs (wRC), but of course, Mauer missed some time. So yeah, I'd have to agree with Brandon.

CY24
08-10-2009, 02:54 PM
Despite thinking you are possibly the biggest and most hopeless homer on this site; i must agree that those 2 need mentioned...i didnt even think about them...

but in light of Reynolds recent tear they are super impressive....amazing that much power has 36 sb between them


Current numbers:

Upton: .301/.374/.541 - 20 Hr, 66 rbi, 16 sb (could have 30 hr, 100 rbi, 20 sb season)

Reynolds: .290/.377/.613 - 36 Hr, 80 rbi, 20 sb (could reach 50 hr, 100 rbi, 30 sb season!!!)

:clap: :smoking: