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Raph12
07-17-2009, 08:34 PM
Magic close to signing a backup point guard in CJ Watson:

The Orlando Magic are close to signing free agent point guard C.J. Watson, giving them an alternative to veteran Anthony Johnson as a backup to often-injured Jameer Nelson...
According to NBA sources, Watson could be signed as early as this weekend.
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/07/17/magic-close-to-signing-c-j-watson/

IversonIsKrazy
07-17-2009, 08:38 PM
wow, i mean, Orlando's GM is going all-out for this off-season. He had 9.5 and 3 last season with the Warriors, and hes young. Great pick-up for the Magic.

Kakaroach
07-17-2009, 08:42 PM
This freaking guy went off on the Utah Jazz. I think he had a career-high 42 points or something on us. I don't know why the Magic signed this guy when they have AJ and Jameer. He deserves minutes as a sold back-up on any team.

Raph12
07-17-2009, 08:49 PM
This freaking guy went off on the Utah Jazz. I think he had a career-high 42 points or something on us. I don't know why the Magic signed this guy when they have AJ and Jameer. He deserves minutes as a sold back-up on any team.

Well the Magic weren't really counting on AJ opting to stay in Orlando for another year so maybe they push AJ to 3rd string, let Watson back Nelson and shop AJ around for a trade in the near future, he's old and is in his last year so teams who want expiring contracts can take him

carter15
07-17-2009, 08:50 PM
nice..go magic:D

Raph12
07-17-2009, 08:51 PM
nice try. its porn. BAN!

LMAO look at the link, NBA Fanhouse, check it, it's not porn

itsripcity32
07-17-2009, 08:51 PM
the magic are gonna be so disappointed when they dont win the finals

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 08:59 PM
I can't believe this team is getting all this talent for 1 mil or less.

Raph12
07-17-2009, 09:02 PM
the magic are gonna be so disappointed when they dont win the finals

This is not a one year plan, they have alot of time and they plan to use the trade exception (worth 8-10m) to land another young big name for years to come via s&t next offseason. Don't worry this isn't the Celtics, these are all young guys, with the exception of Vince Carter, 32 and Rashard Lewis, 29 (who both aren't really that old, especially Shard) everyone on the team is well under 30. Anthony Johnson is 35 which is why he is being replaced by CJ Watson, 25.

Chronz
07-17-2009, 09:06 PM
WOW thats the nastiest porn Ive ever seen, your a sick minded fack


Seriously though, thats a damn good backup. Orlando has definitely solved their bench problems now.

prodigy
07-17-2009, 09:06 PM
anything to get AJ out of this league and back to his own planet. What a ugly dude.

slaker619
07-17-2009, 09:07 PM
Nice Pick-Up

Raph12
07-17-2009, 09:18 PM
Breaking news on the Watson front: Watson is a RFA so GS still has 7 days to match and since Orlando's offer can't be that big and Golden State is barely over the salary cap they can easily afford to match. Golden State hasn't offered Watson a deal yet and don't seem to interested in his services.
ADDED: With Monte Ellis, Speedy Claxton and now Acie Law and Stephen Curry, all play the point/combo guard position, the interest in keeping Watson is minimum

Nighthawk
07-17-2009, 09:23 PM
Wish the celts made an offer.

CraigtheSoxFan
07-17-2009, 09:32 PM
I can't believe this team is getting all this talent for 1 mil or less.

what about the c's adding Marquis Daniels

daleja424
07-17-2009, 09:33 PM
good...bc their bench was looking pretty weak

zambo4president
07-17-2009, 09:35 PM
Another nice signing.

Raph12
07-17-2009, 09:42 PM
good...bc their bench was looking pretty weak

LMAO weak?

PG - Jameer Nelson, CJ Watson (close to a deal), Anthony Johnson
SG - Vince Carter, Mikhael Pietrus, JJ Redick
SF - Rashard Lewis, Matt Barnes (close to a deal), Jeremy Richardson (Resigning)
PF - Brandon Bass, Ryan Anderson, (looking for one more big)
C - Dwight Howard, Marcin Gortat

with the acquistions in () they'll be the deepest team in the NBA and even if you remove the transactions that have yet to happen:

PG - Jameer Nelson, Anthony Johnson
SG - Vince Carter, JJ Redick
SF - Rashard Lewis, Mikhael Pietrus
PF - Brandon Bass, Ryan Anderson
C - Dwight Howard, Marcin Gortat

That bench is still stronger than most benches in the NBA and it isn't anywhere near complete

AI4MVP
07-17-2009, 09:53 PM
cj watsons actually really good. i watched alot of his games last year. he can give u 30 on any given night.

Durant is hype
07-17-2009, 09:56 PM
Their bench is complete.

Kakaroach
07-17-2009, 09:56 PM
I don't think it matters that Watson is a RFA. Not like the Warriors will re-sign him with all their back-court players lol.

Raph12
07-17-2009, 10:02 PM
I don't think it matters that Watson is a RFA. Not like the Warriors will re-sign him with all their back-court players lol.

exactly lol, I mean they have Monte Ellis, Stephen Curry, Acie Law and Speedy Claxton who are all point players and plus once the offer sheet is signed, they can't even trade him until dec 15 so they'd be stuck with him it would be silly to match

ko8e24
07-17-2009, 10:48 PM
the magic are gonna be so disappointed when they dont win the finals


:rolleyes:


magic fans, don't listen to this troll, nice signing. now i have no doubt u will be the favorite to make it back to the finals. Perhaps a rematch?????

Raph12
07-17-2009, 11:00 PM
:rolleyes:


magic fans, don't listen to this troll, nice signing. now i have no doubt u will be the favorite to make it back to the finals. Perhaps a rematch?????

Ye now I kind of hope you get Odom back to make it more of a fair fight lol. Btw this isn't a one year plan, they have alot of time to win some titles, I mean they still have a trade exception (worth 8-10m) which Otis said he will probably use to land another young big name via s&t next offseason. Don't worry bro this isn't the Celtics, these are all the guys over 30 on our team:
Vince Carter, 32
Anthony Johnson, 35, being replaced by CJ Watson, 25
That makes Vince Carter the only significant player on the Magic over 30, which is better than almost any serious contender in the league, Lakers, Spurs, Celts & Cavs all have guys on their rosters much older than Carter that can be a deal-breaker and cost them the title should they get injured. IMO we are ready to seriously contend for years to come.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:07 PM
what about the c's adding Marquis Daniels

I was never really a fan of him but he was solid.

D Roses Bulls
07-17-2009, 11:08 PM
great job magic if they get him. magic are the beast of the easts. you know otis smith is going around saying "wanna see a magic tirck? you wanna see me make this eastern conference disappear?" cause thats exactly what he is doing this summer.

ko8e24
07-17-2009, 11:12 PM
Ye now I kind of hope you get Odom back to make it more of a fair fight lol. Btw this isn't a one year plan, they have alot of time to win some titles, I mean they still have a trade exception (worth 8-10m) which Otis said he will probably use to land another young big name via s&t next offseason. Don't worry bro this isn't the Celtics, these are all the guys over 30 on our team:
Vince Carter, 32
Anthony Johnson, 35, being replaced by CJ Watson, 25
That makes Vince Carter the only significant player on the Magic over 30, which is better than almost any serious contender in the league, Lakers, Spurs, Celts & Cavs all have guys on their rosters much older than Carter that can be a deal-breaker and cost them the title should they get injured. IMO we are ready to seriously contend for years to come.

D-Fish is 34, Kobe will turn 31 next month, lamar is 29 (banking on him resigning), pau is 28, ron ron is 29, and everyone else is like younger than 26. So we might actually see this Bynum vs Howard matchup for many years to come. can you say wilt vs russell ?????

lol, i kno, wishful thinking, but it does have a greater potential than bynum vs oden.

obrpunk
07-17-2009, 11:16 PM
Orlando fans should be very happy and pround that your owners/GM are doing everything they can to get you back to the finals. I'm a Warriors fan so I know how good Watson can be, what a great backup for Nelson. The East won't be a cakewalk this season, but barring injury I'll be surprised if the Magic don't make it back to the finals this year.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:20 PM
Someone from another thread brought this up and now that I think about it, they replaced Turkoglu, Battie, Alston, and Lee for Barnes, Watson, Carter and Bass.

It seems to be the same depth as last year.

Carter>Turkoglu
Barnes<Lee
Watson<Alston
Bass>Battie

Carter is probably going to average the same as Turkoglu and have the same role but more of a scorer and less of a distributer.

Lee averaged better than Barnes.

Alston is starter material while Watson is bench at best.

Battie can probably do a little less what Bass does when given the minutes.

I think only reason people are giving this squad more attention than last years squad is because they got a big name in Carter even though he will probably have the same role as Turkoglu.

TheGsw
07-17-2009, 11:21 PM
They have 3 ex warriors now
C.J,Matt, and pietrus! They all played together in the 0708 season! Great pickup for Magic!!!

Raph12
07-17-2009, 11:25 PM
D-Fish is 34, Kobe will turn 31 next month, lamar is 29 (banking on him resigning), pau is 28, ron ron is 29, and everyone else is like younger than 26. So we might actually see this Bynum vs Howard matchup for many years to come. can you say wilt vs russell ?????

lol, i kno, wishful thinking, but it does have a greater potential than bynum vs oden.

Lol ye wishful thinking for sure, Bynum is no Wilt on offense or defense, yet (big prospect in LA idk if he can live up to the hype personally) and I'd say in a few years Dwight will be a better all-around player than Russell, so why don't we just call it the "Dwight vs Bynum" matchup lol. But Kobe still has a good 3-5 more years left before he becomes a sidekick near age 34-36 IMO, Fisher needs to be replaced but otherwise we may see a Magic-Lakers matchup for years to come. What you should have said is this: Can you say Lakers vs Celtics?????

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:27 PM
:rolleyes:


magic fans, don't listen to this troll, nice signing. now i have no doubt u will be the favorite to make it back to the finals. Perhaps a rematch?????

Really?

They pretty much replaced Turkoglu, Alston, Lee and Battie with Carter, Watson, Barnes and Bass.

Boston got Wallace and Daniels for Moore and Marbury. They most likely resign Davis.

Cavs replace Wallace and Pavlovic with Shaq and Parker.

Hawks got Crawford for Claxton.

Carter is probably the one that is most effective and productive compared to the other guys but the other teams replaced garbage for solid guys.

I'm not saying the Magic sucks and they aren't in the race but it isn't really a sure thing they make it back.

D Roses Bulls
07-17-2009, 11:29 PM
Someone from another thread brought this up and now that I think about it, they replaced Turkoglu, Battie, Alston, and Lee for Barnes, Watson, Carter and Bass.

It seems to be the same depth as last year.

Carter>Turkoglu
Barnes<Lee
Watson<Alston
Bass>Battie

Carter is probably going to average the same as Turkoglu and have the same role but more of a scorer and less of a distributer.

Lee averaged better than Barnes.

Alston is starter material while Watson is bench at best.

Battie can probably do a little less what Bass does when given the minutes.

I think only reason people are giving this squad more attention than last years squad is because they got a big name in Carter even though he will probably have the same role as Turkoglu.

man im not attacking you so dont get offended but every time i look into a magic thread you are sitting there listing reasons why the magic wont be as good or just bout the same or whatever. seriously man you need to get off of that. no one is coming in bashing the raptors except when you put something bout the raptors in a magic thread. you must really be scared of this team and they are better then they were last year. alston is like ben gordon, can play huge in one game and fade the next 10. battie was garbage and turks skills will only diminish. he played real good cause of the system and the cause he had howard setting mad picks for him. lee is the only one i will miss, but they got better this offseason and remember howard will only get better as well as nelson

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:32 PM
Lol ye wishful thinking for sure, Bynum is no Wilt on offense or defense, yet (big prospect in LA idk if he can live up to the hype personally) and I'd say in a few years Dwight will be a better all-around player than Russell, so why don't we just call it the "Dwight vs Bynum" matchup lol. But Kobe still has a good 3-5 more years left before he becomes a sidekick near age 34-36 IMO, Fisher needs to be replaced but otherwise we may see a Magic-Lakers matchup for years to come. What you should have said is this: Can you say Lakers vs Celtics?????

I can't really see Howard having a better offensive game than Russell. Russell did the hooks, jumpers and more. Can't really see Howard developing into an offensive mutch up nightmare. And Russell is probably the greatest defensive player ever. No way Howard beats him in that. Other than those 2, both guys pretty much suck.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:34 PM
man im not attacking you so dont get offended but every time i look into a magic thread you are sitting there listing reasons why the magic wont be as good or just bout the same or whatever. seriously man you need to get off of that. no one is coming in bashing the raptors except when you put something bout the raptors in a magic thread. you must really be scared of this team and they are better then they were last year. alston is like ben gordon, can play huge in one game and fade the next 10. battie was garbage and turks skills will only diminish. he played real good cause of the system and the cause he had howard setting mad picks for him. lee is the only one i will miss, but they got better this offseason and remember howard will only get better as well as nelson


That was 1 time. You need to see me in other Magic threads because I do not trry to bash them or anything like that. I actually think they are going to win 60 games. I think the Magic is better from last year. I think Carter will have a bigger impact than Turkoglu. I was just saying talent wise, they gave up almost as much as they gained. So how am I attacking the Magic?

D Roses Bulls
07-17-2009, 11:35 PM
I can't really see Howard having a better offensive game than Russell. Russell did the hooks, jumpers and more. Can't really see Howard developing into an offensive mutch up nightmare. And Russell is probably the greatest defensive player ever. No way Howard beats him in that. Other than those 2, both guys pretty much suck.

shaq didnt have a hook or back to the basket move either when he was howards age. you gotta give him time. he is only 24 years old and is already setting records. fastest guy to i think a 1000 blocks and 5000 rebounds. so i mean give him time

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:37 PM
shaq didnt have a hook or back to the basket move either when he was howards age. you gotta give him time. he is only 24 years old and is already setting records. fastest guy to i think a 1000 blocks and 5000 rebounds. so i mean give him time

I know he will develop. I just do not see him being better than Russell.

jacquewho?
07-17-2009, 11:37 PM
He signed with the Pacers, guys.

D Roses Bulls
07-17-2009, 11:38 PM
That was 1 time. You need to see me in other Magic threads because I do not trry to bash them or anything like that. I actually think they are going to win 60 games. So how am I attacking the Magic?

man..... i see you in magic threads all the time just like your quote before about how they have the same line up. they are actually better this year. carter is better then turk and will give that back to the basket move that turk lacked and a turn around jumper is a back to the basket move. they are on paper right now better then celtics who just only got older and wallace only plays when he wants too and it wont be no difference and is a lot slower as well as allen, kg, and pierce. hell noah out ran pierce for a dunk. cavs wont be any better then third in the conference.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:38 PM
To the guy 2 spots up.

That was Earl Watson. This is CJ Watson

Public Enemy #1
07-17-2009, 11:41 PM
What the hell, Why are the Magic going after Watson? Whatever, the Warriors have 7 days to match because he is a restricted free agent.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:43 PM
man..... i see you in magic threads all the time just like your quote before about how they have the same line up. they are actually better this year. carter is better then turk and will give that back to the basket move that turk lacked and a turn around jumper is a back to the basket move. they are on paper right now better then celtics who just only got older and wallace only plays when he wants too and it wont be no difference and is a lot slower as well as allen, kg, and pierce. hell noah out ran pierce for a dunk. cavs wont be any better then third in the conference.


Here is how I see it.

Cavs gave up Wallace and Pavlovic for Parker and Shaq.

Celtics gave up Moore and Marbury for Wallace, Daniels and they can still resign both Powe and Davis.

Magic gave up Turkoglu, Lee, Alston and Battie for Carter, Bass, Barnes and Watson.

I'm not saying the Magic had the worst off season out of the 3 but you can't really say the Magic is a guareenteed first when Celtics and Cavs got back major and solid talents for scrubs.

Raph12
07-17-2009, 11:44 PM
Someone from another thread brought this up and now that I think about it, they replaced Turkoglu, Battie, Alston, and Lee for Barnes, Watson, Carter and Bass.

It seems to be the same depth as last year.

Carter>Turkoglu
Barnes<Lee
Watson<Alston
Bass>Battie

Carter is probably going to average the same as Turkoglu and have the same role but more of a scorer and less of a distributer.

Lee averaged better than Barnes.

Alston is starter material while Watson is bench at best.

Battie can probably do a little less what Bass does when given the minutes.

I think only reason people are giving this squad more attention than last years squad is because they got a big name in Carter even though he will probably have the same role as Turkoglu.

OMG YOUR BACK!!! lol just kidding, but I do see a few flaws in your analysis:
Carter>Turkoglu - For sure he's a more consistent scorer/closer, passes well without turning the ball over much and plays better defense
Barnes<Lee - Not even close, Lee is a good role player but an avg defender at best. Just because he had a higher ppg avg doesn't mean he's greater than Barnes. You have to take account the fact that Barnes is needed more for his defense, offense will never be a problem for the Magic, but having another perimeter defender like Pietrus will help alot and push them over the top. Not to mention the fact that Lee was on a loaded Magic roster and Barnes was on a lackluster Phoenix roster. Maybe in 5 years, but for now I will take Barnes
Watson<Altson - Okay cmon now, Alston shot less than 40% from the field, less than 34% from the arc and only 75% from the charity stripe. In comparison, Watson shoots over 45% from the field, over 40% from the arc and over 87% from the charity stripe. Not to mention the fact that he will be playing backup to our Allstar guard, Jameer Nelson, which might I add was the only reason they acquired Alston in the first place. Alston is an inconsistent shooter, emotionally unstable (see Eddie House slap) and a turnover machine. Watson will provide solid minutes off the bench, Alston may not provide anything on any given night and may provide 20+ pts on another, thanks but no thanks, I will stick with Watson.
Bass>Battie - Dead on, better in every way possible
Big names help draw attention but statistics do not lie, this team is head over heals better than last year, try reading this article:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-Orlando-Magic-are-stacked?urn=nba,177027

ADDED: We also got Ryan Anderson>Tyronn Lue - A young prospect who will get more than 0.1mpg, who's also a good rebounder and a good shooter at 6'10, so he can stretch the floor while Bass gets to rest

Raps18-19 Champ
07-17-2009, 11:50 PM
OMG YOUR BACK!!! lol just kidding, but I do see a few flaws in your analysis:
Carter>Turkoglu - For sure he's a more consistent scorer/closer, passes well without turning the ball over much and plays better defense
Barnes<Lee - Not even close, Lee is a good role player but an avg defender at best. Just because he had a higher ppg avg doesn't mean he's greater than Barnes. You have to take account the fact that Barnes is needed more for his defense, offense will never be a problem for the Magic, but having another perimeter defender like Pietrus will help alot and push them over the top. Not to mention the fact that Lee was on a loaded Magic roster and Barnes was on a lackluster Phoenix roster. Maybe in 5 years, but for now I will take Barnes
Watson<Altson - Okay cmon now, Alston shot less than 40% from the field, less than 34% from the arc and only 75% from the charity stripe. In comparison, Watson shoots over 45% from the field, over 40% from the arc and over 87% from the charity stripe. Not to mention the fact that he will be playing backup to our Allstar guard, Jameer Nelson, which might I add was the only reason they acquired Alston in the first place. Alston is an inconsistent shooter, emotionally unstable (see Eddie House slap) and a turnover machine. Watson will provide solid minutes off the bench, Alston may not provide anything on any given night and may provide 20+ pts on another, thanks but no thanks, I will stick with Watson.
Bass>Battie - Dead on, better in every way possible
Big names help draw attention but statistics do not lie, this team is head over heals better than last year, try reading this article:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-Orlando-Magic-are-stacked?urn=nba,177027

For your analysis on Lee vs Barnes and Watson vs Alston, I disagree.

Barnes played on the Suns. It is a suprise that Lee averaged better than Barnes with the Suns run and gun offense. And I agree Barnes is there more for defense but Lee was a good defender at the wing.

Watson played for the Warriors. A offense where they make open shots always available during every possesion. That might be a big reason why Watson had better percentages. I agree with you that I would rather take Watson over Alston(Hate him) but you can't deny that Alston is better talent wise than Watson.

And I really have no hope for Anderson. I cannot see him doing anything with Gortat, Bass, Lewis and Howard taking all the minutes at the front.

PS-In no way is Carter a consistant shooter.

Raph12
07-18-2009, 12:03 AM
I can't really see Howard having a better offensive game than Russell. Russell did the hooks, jumpers and more. Can't really see Howard developing into an offensive mutch up nightmare. And Russell is probably the greatest defensive player ever. No way Howard beats him in that. Other than those 2, both guys pretty much suck.

1st of all Russell's career-high avg for one season is 18.9 which Dwight beat in his 4th season and will continue to beat for the rest of his career. Not to mention the fact that Russell wasn't a good scorer in a time where scoring was the fad and guys like Chamberlain and Baylor were dropping 50 and 60 on a regular basis. So chill Russell's offensive game wasn't that dominant, Howard is already an "offensive matchup nightmare" there is no guy in the NBA who can guard Dwight effectively one-on-one, too strong, too quick and too athletic. As for defense, the NBA was a lot smaller back in the 60s so you can't say "no way Howard beats him in that" because that was a different era and this is a different era. Dwight Howard is the Bill Russell of the 21st century, except stronger, quicker, more athletic and harder to guard. Dwight will develop hook shots later, he doesn't need jumpers because he is 6'11, 270 with a 40" vertical. In comparison, Russel was 6'9, 215, with a less than 20" vertical. Howard is 23, he will develop to be better all-around than Russell ever was barring injury and there is nothing anyone can do about it so chah!

Raph12
07-18-2009, 12:28 AM
For your analysis on Lee vs Barnes and Watson vs Alston, I disagree.

Barnes played on the Suns. 1. It is a suprise that Lee averaged better than Barnes with the Suns run and gun offense. And I agree Barnes is there more for defense but 2. Lee was a good defender at the wing.

Watson played for the Warriors. A offense where they make open shots always available during every possesion. That might be a big reason why Watson had better percentages. I agree with you that I would rather take Watson over Alston(Hate him) but you can't deny that 3. Alston is better talent wise than Watson.

And I really have no hope for Anderson. I cannot see him doing anything with Gortat, Bass, 4. Lewis and Howard taking all the minutes at the front.

PS-In no way is Carter a consistant 5. shooter.

1. Lee did not avg better than Barnes, Barnes 10.2, Lee 8.4. Plus Lee took open jumpshots created for him by Howard, Turk, Shard or Nelson so factoring in all of those four taking all attention away from Lee, it's no wonder his percentages are higher shooting open jumpers, Barnes scores more, rebounds more, assists more and blocks more than Lee, playing just the same amount of minutes

2. Lee was an avg defender at best, he would never guard the better SGs for the majority of any game, Pietrus would see more minutes when they played teams with better guys at the 2

Lee's eff rtg is 7.00 and Barnes' eff rtg is 12.27, Barnes is better than Lee in every way except shooting percentages and we don't expect Barnes to be a 20ppg guy so it's irrelevant. He is needed for his size, rebounding, unselfish passing, ability to play the 3 or 4 and defense which I'm sure he'll bring to the table

3. Alston's only superior talent is his streetball crossovers which aren't needed by the Magic,

Watson is better in every way except maybe passing the ball, plus Alston is 33, Watson is 25 and only been in the NBA 2 seasons. He still has alot of room for improvement

4. Lewis will play the 3 and sometimes the 4 and Anderson can also play the 3 and the 4 so I'm sure minutes won't be too much of an issue

5. I said Carter is a more consistant scorer/closer not shooter and even in terms of shooting Carter sweeps Turk .437 fg, .385 3fg and .817 ft compared to .413 fg, .357 3fg and ,807

I said it before and I'll say it again, this team is head-over-heals better than last year and if you can't see that then god help you

asandhu23
07-18-2009, 01:11 AM
D-Fish is 34, Kobe will turn 31 next month, lamar is 29 (banking on him resigning), pau is 28, ron ron is 29, and everyone else is like younger than 26. So we might actually see this Bynum vs Howard matchup for many years to come. can you say wilt vs russell ?????

lol, i kno, wishful thinking, but it does have a greater potential than bynum vs oden.

don't ever make that comparison again. Wilt and Russell are 999999999X better than bynum

Raps18-19 Champ
07-18-2009, 11:33 AM
1st of all Russell's career-high avg for one season is 18.9 which Dwight beat in his 4th season and will continue to beat for the rest of his career. Not to mention the fact that Russell wasn't a good scorer in a time where scoring was the fad and guys like Chamberlain and Baylor were dropping 50 and 60 on a regular basis. So chill Russell's offensive game wasn't that dominant, Howard is already an "offensive matchup nightmare" there is no guy in the NBA who can guard Dwight effectively one-on-one, too strong, too quick and too athletic. As for defense, the NBA was a lot smaller back in the 60s so you can't say "no way Howard beats him in that" because that was a different era and this is a different era. Dwight Howard is the Bill Russell of the 21st century, except stronger, quicker, more athletic and harder to guard. Dwight will develop hook shots later, he doesn't need jumpers because he is 6'11, 270 with a 40" vertical. In comparison, Russel was 6'9, 215, with a less than 20" vertical. Howard is 23, he will develop to be better all-around than Russell ever was barring injury and there is nothing anyone can do about it so chah!


Russell is the best defensive player ever in the NBA and you actually think Howard can be better than that?

Russell is arguably a top 5 player in NBA History and in no way will Howard be a top 5 player.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-18-2009, 11:36 AM
1. Lee did not avg better than Barnes, Barnes 10.2, Lee 8.4. Plus Lee took open jumpshots created for him by Howard, Turk, Shard or Nelson so factoring in all of those four taking all attention away from Lee, it's no wonder his percentages are higher shooting open jumpers, Barnes scores more, rebounds more, assists more and blocks more than Lee, playing just the same amount of minutes

2. Lee was an avg defender at best, he would never guard the better SGs for the majority of any game, Pietrus would see more minutes when they played teams with better guys at the 2

Lee's eff rtg is 7.00 and Barnes' eff rtg is 12.27, Barnes is better than Lee in every way except shooting percentages and we don't expect Barnes to be a 20ppg guy so it's irrelevant. He is needed for his size, rebounding, unselfish passing, ability to play the 3 or 4 and defense which I'm sure he'll bring to the table

3. Alston's only superior talent is his streetball crossovers which aren't needed by the Magic,

Watson is better in every way except maybe passing the ball, plus Alston is 33, Watson is 25 and only been in the NBA 2 seasons. He still has alot of room for improvement

4. Lewis will play the 3 and sometimes the 4 and Anderson can also play the 3 and the 4 so I'm sure minutes won't be too much of an issue

5. I said Carter is a more consistant scorer/closer not shooter and even in terms of shooting Carter sweeps Turk .437 fg, .385 3fg and .817 ft compared to .413 fg, .357 3fg and ,807

I said it before and I'll say it again, this team is head-over-heals better than last year and if you can't see that then god help you


I never said the team didn't improve. I said compared to the other teams acquisitions, Orlando's talent differential from the guys they lost to the guys they gained is lower than the talent the Cavs and Celtics got. A lot has been saying that the Magic is a lock in the finals and everything but I'm just saying the Celtics and Cavs gave up nothing to get solid talent back.

Durant is hype
07-18-2009, 11:41 AM
1. Lee did not avg better than barnes, barnes 10.2, lee 8.4. Plus lee took open jumpshots created for him by howard, turk, shard or nelson so factoring in all of those four taking all attention away from lee, it's no wonder his percentages are higher shooting open jumpers, barnes scores more, rebounds more, assists more and blocks more than lee, playing just the same amount of minutes

2. Lee was an avg defender at best, he would never guard the better sgs for the majority of any game, pietrus would see more minutes when they played teams with better guys at the 2

lee's eff rtg is 7.00 and barnes' eff rtg is 12.27, barnes is better than lee in every way except shooting percentages and we don't expect barnes to be a 20ppg guy so it's irrelevant. He is needed for his size, rebounding, unselfish passing, ability to play the 3 or 4 and defense which i'm sure he'll bring to the table

3. Alston's only superior talent is his streetball crossovers which aren't needed by the magic,

watson is better in every way except maybe passing the ball, plus alston is 33, watson is 25 and only been in the nba 2 seasons. He still has alot of room for improvement

4. Lewis will play the 3 and sometimes the 4 and anderson can also play the 3 and the 4 so i'm sure minutes won't be too much of an issue

5. I said carter is a more consistant scorer/closer not shooter and even in terms of shooting carter sweeps turk .437 fg, .385 3fg and .817 ft compared to .413 fg, .357 3fg and ,807

i said it before and i'll say it again, this team is head-over-heals better than last year and if you can't see that then god help you

Watson is a 7 years pro and is 30 years old.

edit: I thought Earl Watson,not CJ Watson

blah-blah
07-18-2009, 11:53 AM
how can theey sign all these players

RadiantShot
07-18-2009, 03:01 PM
good...bc their bench was looking pretty weak

No it wasn't.

Mikel Pietrus, Ryan Anderson, Gortat, Anthony Johnson, JJ Reddick, it's not that bad, some of those guys would be starters on some teams. And now we added another valuable piece, if we get him that is. And if Matt Barnes is still in the picture, we're unstoppable.

Raph12
07-18-2009, 03:36 PM
Russell is the best defensive player ever in the NBA and you actually think Howard can be better than that?

Russell is arguably a top 5 player in NBA History and in no way will Howard be a top 5 player.

Russell is not the best defensive player ever, he was the best defensive player of his time. If Russell were to play against guys now he'd have no chance of leading the NBA in blocks and rebounds. At 6'9, 215, with the athletic ability of the avg high school kid, Russell would be a nobody in the NBA if he was playing now. If Dwight Howard was playing in the 60s he would be known as one of the most dominant players of all-time. The times have changed and like I said before Dwight is the Russell of the 21st century and at 6'11, 270 and 23 years of age he is only getting better and better. Yes Russell is considered to be a top 5 player in NBA history, but that is because of his accomplishments (titles, mvp awards, etc...) not because of his individual skills or athletic ability. If Bill Russell was in the NBA today he arguably wouldn't be a top 50 player in the league, let alone top 5 of all-time.


I never said the team didn't improve. I said compared to the other teams acquisitions, Orlando's talent differential from the guys they lost to the guys they gained is lower than the talent the Cavs and Celtics got. A lot has been saying that the Magic is a lock in the finals and everything but I'm just saying the Celtics and Cavs gave up nothing to get solid talent back.

Cavs got a 37 year old, 325 lb, way-past-his-prime Shaq, yes they got him for scrubs but that is because Suns just wanted to get rid of him, Shaq is like a 325lb block that they are putting out there on defense, he can't move around well and will cost them on defense, on offense he's going to clog the lane for Lebron and don't say he didn't do that in Miami because he was 4 years younger than, he did it in Phoenix and he'll do it again in Cleveland, in my mind he isn't that great of a pickup and I don't see Cavs winning 65+ games again this season. The Cavs also got a 34 year old, past-his-prime Anthony Parker, now I like him, he plays good d and I think it was a good acquistion for the Cavs, but he is old and injury prone so his presence is questionable.
Celts got a 35 year old, WAY-past-his-prime Rasheed Wallace, this is the same guy who gave up in the playoffs last season because he was getting his butt whooped. This guy is the technical-machine and when the going gets tough, Sheed gets going, he literally loses his mind and shuts down completely. Now Marquis Daniels is a nice aqcuistion, but he has absolutely no 3pt shot and loves to chuck them up, which will cost the Celts because anyone guarding him knows to give him space. They got Sheed and Marquis Daniels, while losing Glen "Big Baby" Davis, Stephon Marbury and Leon Powe, plus this big 3, sorry now big 4 are all one year older and in their mid 30s, so how how will injuries affect this team? I think they'll be better than last year but slightly, injuries and wear-and-tear will rip them apart in the playoffs and I see another 2nd round exit, thanks in part to the Cavs or Magic. So ultimately, Magic got younger, faster and now they'll no longer have to live and more importantly die by the 3, because they have guys (VC, Bass, Barnes, Nelson [Healthy]) who can take the ball to the hole and finish or dish when neccessary. So Magic has gotten alot better IMO, while Celts got older and Cavs got slower. My rankings for East teams next year:
1. Magic
2. Cavs
3. Celts (I can see them push for 2nd barring injuries)

PennyMy#1
07-18-2009, 04:55 PM
I hope we get him. I like our mix-up of experience and talent ...

DetroitRipCity
07-18-2009, 05:23 PM
Ye now I kind of hope you get Odom back to make it more of a fair fight lol. Btw this isn't a one year plan, they have alot of time to win some titles, I mean they still have a trade exception (worth 8-10m) which Otis said he will probably use to land another young big name via s&t next offseason. Don't worry bro this isn't the Celtics, these are all the guys over 30 on our team:
Vince Carter, 32
Anthony Johnson, 35, being replaced by CJ Watson, 25
That makes Vince Carter the only significant player on the Magic over 30, which is better than almost any serious contender in the league, Lakers, Spurs, Celts & Cavs all have guys on their rosters much older than Carter that can be a deal-breaker and cost them the title should they get injured. IMO we are ready to seriously contend for years to come.



This is not a one year plan, they have alot of time and they plan to use the trade exception (worth 8-10m) to land another young big name for years to come via s&t next offseason. Don't worry this isn't the Celtics, these are all young guys, with the exception of Vince Carter, 32 and Rashard Lewis, 29 (who both aren't really that old, especially Shard) everyone on the team is well under 30. Anthony Johnson is 35 which is why he is being replaced by CJ Watson, 25.


twice? really? lol


j/k

SplenidSplinter
07-18-2009, 05:34 PM
:clap:
This is not a one year plan, they have alot of time and they plan to use the trade exception (worth 8-10m) to land another young big name for years to come via s&t next offseason. Don't worry this isn't the Celtics, these are all young guys, with the exception of Vince Carter, 32 and Rashard Lewis, 29 (who both aren't really that old, especially Shard) everyone on the team is well under 30. Anthony Johnson is 35 which is why he is being replaced by CJ Watson, 25.

:clap:Couldnt have said it better myself. Poor Laker fans losing out on Odom. They got to pick on someone and enjoy this championship. It will be their last in Kobe's era.

SplenidSplinter
07-18-2009, 05:37 PM
No it wasn't.

Mikel Pietrus, Ryan Anderson, Gortat, Anthony Johnson, JJ Reddick, it's not that bad, some of those guys would be starters on some teams. And now we added another valuable piece, if we get him that is. And if Matt Barnes is still in the picture, we're unstoppable.

Ryan Anderson is the man flying under the radar this offseason. I believe he will be a quality 12 pt 8 reb guy for the next decade. THis was quite the throw-in in the Carter deal. Bravo Magic!

TheGsw
07-18-2009, 05:39 PM
Couldnt have said it better myself. Poor Laker fans losing out on Odom. They got to pick on someone and enjoy this championship. It will be their last in Kobe's era.
Your forgetting how good tthey are!!they are still a legit team!!There defense is gonna be solid now.way too solid lol

TheGsw
07-18-2009, 05:40 PM
plus spurs have no chance on the Lakes !Magic and Celtics are the closest thing to beat them!!Both teams are legit!!

Corey
07-18-2009, 06:23 PM
It's a good move, but it doesn't make them "unstoppable" as some Magic fans are saying. It's a bench.

JNore151
07-18-2009, 06:32 PM
ive been a magic fan for a long,long time and i always hated when other fans would refer to thier team as "unstopable"....so please my fellow orlando fans reframe from using those words.....we are gonna be a strong team but not "unstopable" it only makes fans seem dumb, sorry but it does...

as for c.j watson, i love this move we needed a young pg, i was thinking about marcus williams or someone like that but cj watson is way better....otis keep up the good work!!

Raps18-19 Champ
07-18-2009, 06:46 PM
Cavs got a 37 year old, 325 lb, way-past-his-prime Shaq, yes they got him for scrubs but that is because Suns just wanted to get rid of him, Shaq is like a 325lb block that they are putting out there on defense, he can't move around well and will cost them on defense, on offense he's going to clog the lane for Lebron and don't say he didn't do that in Miami because he was 4 years younger than, he did it in Phoenix and he'll do it again in Cleveland, in my mind he isn't that great of a pickup and I don't see Cavs winning 65+ games again this season. The Cavs also got a 34 year old, past-his-prime Anthony Parker, now I like him, he plays good d and I think it was a good acquistion for the Cavs, but he is old and injury prone so his presence is questionable.
Celts got a 35 year old, WAY-past-his-prime Rasheed Wallace, this is the same guy who gave up in the playoffs last season because he was getting his butt whooped. This guy is the technical-machine and when the going gets tough, Sheed gets going, he literally loses his mind and shuts down completely. Now Marquis Daniels is a nice aqcuistion, but he has absolutely no 3pt shot and loves to chuck them up, which will cost the Celts because anyone guarding him knows to give him space. They got Sheed and Marquis Daniels, while losing Glen "Big Baby" Davis, Stephon Marbury and Leon Powe, plus this big 3, sorry now big 4 are all one year older and in their mid 30s, so how how will injuries affect this team? I think they'll be better than last year but slightly, injuries and wear-and-tear will rip them apart in the playoffs and I see another 2nd round exit, thanks in part to the Cavs or Magic. So ultimately, Magic got younger, faster and now they'll no longer have to live and more importantly die by the 3, because they have guys (VC, Bass, Barnes, Nelson [Healthy]) who can take the ball to the hole and finish or dish when neccessary. So Magic has gotten alot better IMO, while Celts got older and Cavs got slower. My rankings for East teams next year:
1. Magic
2. Cavs
3. Celts (I can see them push for 2nd barring injuries)

So if you win 66 games last season and you get a solid 15 and 10 player for crap, you dont improve? And no way is Parker injury prone

And Wallace is going to be one of the better guys off the bench in the league.


I'm not saying the Magic didn't improve but you say it like it is a 100% sure that the Magic will be 1st and will go to the Finals.

And incase you didn't know, it is kinda bad luck to be first because most number 1 teams usually get out in the conference finals.

Raph12
07-18-2009, 07:31 PM
So if you win 66 games last season and you get a 1. solid 15 and 10 player for crap, you dont improve? And no way is Parker injury prone

And Wallace 2. IS going to be one of the better guys off the bench in the league.


I'm not saying the Magic didn't improve but 3. you say it like it is a 100% sure that the Magic will be 1st and will go to the Finals.

And incase you didn't know, it is kinda 4. bad luck to be first because most number 1 teams usually get out in the conference finals.

1. Solid? Shaq's 15 and 10 (points and rebounds) came from him wanting the team to be focused around him. If you watched any Phoenix Suns games before Shaq came to town and you watched games after than you'd know that every guy from 1-4 was standing around watching Shaq go off on offense, which is the only reason Shaq had 17ppg and only 8rpg in 30mpg. He is no where near solid unless the team focuses on him and him only. Btw if you add any player to your team you don't automatically improve, it takes time for chemistry to work on the team and for everything to click and IMO Shaq and Lebron will NOT click. Btw anyone over 34 is injury-prone

2. I'm sorry I didn't know you were psychic to know that Sheed IS going to be one of the better bench players in the league. I don't doubt Sheed's production during the season. But in the playoffs, the Celtics are known for fighting adversity while Sheed is known to hide when adversity strikes. So I predict another mental breakdown, and for his production and contributions to be minimal.

3. Not once have I said Magic will make the Finals again, and my predictions for the season are just that, MY PREDICTIONS! I'm entitled to my own opinion and I feel like they have the best chance to lead the East during the season.

4. Lakers were 1st in their conference last year and won a championship and Celtics were 1st in their conference the year before and they won a championship. The teams that win while being number 1 are the tough teams that never cross any other team out and are teams that really deserve to win. Cleveland this season was overconfident and it cost them in the ECFs. Mo Williams said he "guarantees a win" against the Magic and how they were giving the Magic "too much respect" and Lebron said that he agreed and Mo didn't say anything that he also wouldn't say. When a team crosses another team out, it costs them (ie. Dallas vs GS, they crossed GS out and GS took them out) Being number one is a privilege, being number one gives you homecourt adv and that will play a HUGE role in the playoffs. Luck is what losers use as an excuse.
"A real man makes his own luck" - Billy Zane, Titanic

Raps18-19 Champ
07-18-2009, 09:16 PM
1. Solid? Shaq's 15 and 10 (points and rebounds) came from him wanting the team to be focused around him. If you watched any Phoenix Suns games before Shaq came to town and you watched games after than you'd know that every guy from 1-4 was standing around watching Shaq go off on offense, which is the only reason Shaq had 17ppg and only 8rpg in 30mpg. He is no where near solid unless the team focuses on him and him only. Btw if you add any player to your team you don't automatically improve, it takes time for chemistry to work on the team and for everything to click and IMO Shaq and Lebron will NOT click. Btw anyone over 34 is injury-prone

2. I'm sorry I didn't know you were psychic to know that Sheed IS going to be one of the better bench players in the league. I don't doubt Sheed's production during the season. But in the playoffs, the Celtics are known for fighting adversity while Sheed is known to hide when adversity strikes. So I predict another mental breakdown, and for his production and contributions to be minimal.

3. Not once have I said Magic will make the Finals again, and my predictions for the season are just that, MY PREDICTIONS! I'm entitled to my own opinion and I feel like they have the best chance to lead the East during the season.

4. Lakers were 1st in their conference last year and won a championship and Celtics were 1st in their conference the year before and they won a championship. The teams that win while being number 1 are the tough teams that never cross any other team out and are teams that really deserve to win. Cleveland this season was overconfident and it cost them in the ECFs. Mo Williams said he "guarantees a win" against the Magic and how they were giving the Magic "too much respect" and Lebron said that he agreed and Mo didn't say anything that he also wouldn't say. When a team crosses another team out, it costs them (ie. Dallas vs GS, they crossed GS out and GS took them out) Being number one is a privilege, being number one gives you homecourt adv and that will play a HUGE role in the playoffs. Luck is what losers use as an excuse.
"A real man makes his own luck" - Billy Zane, Titanic


So if you think the Magic is going to be first and thats your opinion, why you questioning my opinion that they arent going to be first.

Raph12
07-18-2009, 10:41 PM
So if you think the Magic is going to be first and thats your opinion, why you questioning my opinion that they arent going to be first.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but you don't have to bring your negativity about the Magic from thread to thread. There's not only Magic fans that are excited about the Magic acquistions and the Magic team, but any NBA fan will admit that they are excited about how the Magic will play next year and how successful they will be. This is the 3rd thread you've come to saying how the Magic are not that big a deal and how Raptors have a better bench for their payroll and how Cavs/Celts have made better offseason moves. You can have your own opinion no doubt, but going thread to thread putting down every move Magic Mgmt makes is very annoying and I'm sure everyone on this thread or any other thread you've brought negativity upon would agree with me.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-19-2009, 02:34 PM
I've done that in 2 threads.

And I've been giving the Magic credit too. I said they are 2nd in the East and a 60+ win team but no one is quoting those comments.

Raph12
07-19-2009, 09:27 PM
I've done that in 2 threads.

And I've been giving the Magic credit too. I said they are 2nd in the East and a 60+ win team but no one is quoting those comments.

Dude there is no point of arguing with you, you obviously have strong feelings towards the moves Magic Mgmt makes (mostly negative feelings) and feel differently than most other guys on PSD. We all now know how you feel now about the Magic, 2nd best in the East, 60+ wins and not as good as people think they will be, so you can chill out knowing the world, or atleast everyone on PSD, knows how you feel. You've done your job, but it would be greatly appreciated if you didn't state this same arguement in any more threads, please and thank you.

HOZ THE KNICK
07-19-2009, 11:01 PM
that will be a great signing to go along with barnes orlando is ready to go to war this season.

Giantwarrior
07-19-2009, 11:17 PM
I dont see the warriors matching the offer, they have too many point guards as it is. You guys will like CJ Watson. he was solid role player and a real scrappy player like all the warriors players. He hustles and almost automatic from the right side of the key. he had some really big games for us. but good luck to him.

In the Bay Area we used to call him, C-J as Clutch-Jumper Watson.