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Gibby23
07-17-2009, 02:00 PM
Updated: July 17, 2009, 1:56 PM ET

As of 4 min ago, ESPN is reporting the Heat made an offer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4336149

IBleedPurple
07-17-2009, 02:07 PM
At least this is real news, we'll see what LO does. Good to see him considering the Eastern Conference though :)

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:07 PM
i doubt they give him anymore than the mid level

carter15
07-17-2009, 02:07 PM
if the offer is for around 9 mill per year..and i heard ppl saying how taxes r less or something in miami (which i have no idea about) then the deal with miami seems like it wud be worth more money to him and he'd have a much much bigger role with them.
id put my money on odom to miami.

Lakers4ItAll
07-17-2009, 02:08 PM
I hope he doesn't sign with them, Lakers need him

carter15
07-17-2009, 02:08 PM
i doubt they give him anymore than the mid level

the link on espn says the offer approaches 9 mill.

S-Dot
07-17-2009, 02:11 PM
I hope he doesn't sign with them, Lakers need him

I don't know buddy; it looks like you may need to start a thread asking who your lakers can get to replace him. That would be a huge loss.

Vidball
07-17-2009, 02:14 PM
They have no cap space...the only way it could approach $9M is via S&T

Jonathan2323
07-17-2009, 02:14 PM
where does it say they offered him a contract?

still1ballin
07-17-2009, 02:15 PM
It doesn't make sense to sign with another team whos offering the same out as the Lakers after coming off a championship. If Odom leaves, I will truly be upset with him.

Gibby23
07-17-2009, 02:17 PM
where does it say they offered him a contract?

The headline at the top is: Report: Heat, offer Odom deal

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 02:18 PM
Miami is still offering the Mid-Level Exception, but during the length of the contract the money he makes per year would continue to increase.

Ex: 1st year:5.8(MLE) 2nd second year: 6.5 and so on

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:19 PM
the link on espn says the offer approaches 9 mill.

it would have to be sign and trade they have no cap and i think if is a sign and trade the lakers would get beasly in return the only that can offer as much as the lakers without a sign and trade is portland no one else this includes miami

Sparticus
07-17-2009, 02:20 PM
signing bonus and incentives.

Lo Porto
07-17-2009, 02:20 PM
Do it Odom, do it.

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:21 PM
lamar would be dumb to go to the heat your getting the same amount of money and you have a chance to repeat

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:22 PM
signing bonus and incentives.

signing bonus and incentives go against a teams cap

Jonathan2323
07-17-2009, 02:23 PM
don't underestimate Pat Riley.

Wade_County
07-17-2009, 02:24 PM
lets just get this done.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 02:27 PM
it would have to be sign and trade they have no cap and i think if is a sign and trade the lakers would get beasly in return the only that can offer as much as the lakers without a sign and trade is portland no one else this includes miami

Beasley for Odom :puke:

J$mo0th_3o5
07-17-2009, 02:28 PM
:dance::ohno: Get it done already!!!!

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:29 PM
Beasley for Odom :puke:

dont overestimate pat riley hes loves odom thats only way it will happen at the 9 mil carter15 said

SwaggaIke
07-17-2009, 02:30 PM
Lets go L.O.

S-Dot
07-17-2009, 02:31 PM
dont overestimate pat riley hes loves odom thats only way it will happen at the 9 mil carter15 said

does he love him that much though? not a good trade

J$mo0th_3o5
07-17-2009, 02:33 PM
Hell no we're not giving up Beasley!

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 02:33 PM
:dance::dance::dance:

Let's sign him already

:dance:

J$mo0th_3o5
07-17-2009, 02:33 PM
lamar would be dumb to go to the heat your getting the same amount of money and you have a chance to repeat

You're gonna have to change that sig:p

Jonathan2323
07-17-2009, 02:34 PM
i rather have Beasley than Odom.

no way Beasley goes to LA

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:35 PM
You're gonna have to change that sig:p

ill change if its official

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:37 PM
Hell no we're not giving up Beasley!


i rather have Beasley than Odom.

no way Beasley goes to LA

then all the heat can off is the mle which is the same as la's offer just that it is less years

CaleX(RR)MIA™
07-17-2009, 02:37 PM
:dance::dance::dance:

Let's sign him already

:dance:

i can dance to that lol

:dance:

plpfctn
07-17-2009, 02:38 PM
why would odom sign with a team that's stuck in lottery land? that biitch will be back in LA.

Vidball
07-17-2009, 02:38 PM
Gonna have to change that to a Beasley sig :D

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 02:38 PM
If Beasley went to LA, that pretty much guarantees LA will repeat. NO to Beasley to LA!

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 02:39 PM
What people are not getting is that it starts at the MLE and approaches 9 million in the final year....

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 02:39 PM
then all the heat can off is the mle which is the same as la's offer just that it is less years

Yes but it adds up to about the same because Florida has no state income tax.

Lakers4ItAll
07-17-2009, 02:40 PM
I don't see where anyone is getting Beasley to LA.

itsripcity32
07-17-2009, 02:41 PM
im not a lakers fan nor a heats fan but
odom and ariza>>> artest :( :( :( :D

Jonathan2323
07-17-2009, 02:41 PM
why would odom sign with a team that's stuck in lottery land? that biitch will be back in LA.

cough...... cough........ Haterrrrr

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 02:41 PM
why would odom sign with a team that's stuck in lottery land? that biitch will be back in LA.

Stuck in a lottery land? No with Wade on the team.

zambo4president
07-17-2009, 02:42 PM
Odom would be going back to the Heat.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 02:44 PM
i can dance to that lol

:dance:

:dance:

fishfan79
07-17-2009, 02:47 PM
hmm be a bench player or come start?

not a hard choice if the money is pretty close

GoatMilk
07-17-2009, 02:47 PM
why does everyone keep bringing up beasely?

lakers cant get him

abe_froman
07-17-2009, 02:47 PM
i can see him taking it

ALQ20
07-17-2009, 02:50 PM
Yes but it adds up to about the same because Florida has no state income tax.

doesnt matter much...players get taxed in the states they play in. so if Odom goes on a road game to California, he gets taxed @ CA rates. Same goes for every state, whatever state you play in (road/home), you get taxed the state's rate.

Players get paid on a game by game basis....thats how the tax works.

masalex1205
07-17-2009, 02:51 PM
I would take it, they would have a pretty good team

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:53 PM
Yes but it adds up to about the same because Florida has no state income tax.

the lakers offered more money with taxes and miami no taxes mle is about the same

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 02:55 PM
Stuck in a lottery land? No with Wade on the team.

didnt they just get beasly in the lottery?

GoatMilk
07-17-2009, 02:56 PM
didnt they just get beasly in the lottery?

they made the playoffs this past season with Beasley

abe_froman
07-17-2009, 02:56 PM
didnt they just get beasly in the lottery?

wade wasnt on the team that year,he took 85% of the season off that season

Lathaniel
07-17-2009, 02:57 PM
If its a sign and trade and I highly doubt that it is miami will never trade Beasley for Odom.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 02:59 PM
Beasley is in no deal for Odom :puke:

plpfctn
07-17-2009, 03:01 PM
Yes but it adds up to about the same because Florida has no state income tax.

no it doesn't. look at this http://twitpic.com/ao3j7

fishfan79
07-17-2009, 03:01 PM
really LA doesnt need him anyways with getting artest

itsripcity32
07-17-2009, 03:02 PM
no beasly no ariza no odom

blah-blah
07-17-2009, 03:03 PM
the east is gona be so much better then the west

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 03:03 PM
wade wasnt on the team that year,he took 85% of the season off that season

he played in 51 games averaged 24 points maybe he gave up in 85% of the games

JoeRealist
07-17-2009, 03:04 PM
Well goodnight Lakers.

(I'm not a hater btw..but I'm sure I'll get called one)

plpfctn
07-17-2009, 03:05 PM
the east is gona be so much better then the west

i doubt it. the top teams are getting better but there probably be some teams with losing records that get in the playoffs.

daleja424
07-17-2009, 03:08 PM
no it doesn't. look at this http://twitpic.com/ao3j7

LOOK AT THE TOTALS

Lamar has been confirmed to have been offered two deals

3/27 from LA and 5/34 from Miami

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 03:14 PM
even IF the heat sign odom they still havent got a 'real' big man and with a signing of odom i doubt they can trade for boozer

jdricks
07-17-2009, 03:15 PM
I suppose JO would be a fake big man then...interesting :shrug:

Jonathan2323
07-17-2009, 03:17 PM
JO is a good center there is not to many good centers in the game. eventhough his salary is ridiculous

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:18 PM
even IF the heat sign odom they still havent got a 'real' big man and with a signing of odom i doubt they can trade for boozer

Lol. The whole point was to pair Boozer and Odom.

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Lol. The whole point was to pair Boozer and Odom.

no way they can have that many big contracts and then try to resign boozer and wade next offseason unless their owner hits the lottery

King Koopa
07-17-2009, 03:22 PM
even IF the heat sign odom they still havent got a 'real' big man and with a signing of odom i doubt they can trade for boozer

Quit hating dude, Odom has nonething to do with the Boozer trade it's Haslem+Wright and our trade exception.

Even if we don't trade for Boozer we would still have a great team in Odom, Beasley, Wade, Chalmers, Cook, O 'Neal, and Haslem. People are really underrating both Beasley's and Chalmer's developments. And we'll still have the cap room to sign Bosh or Amare next summer or a combination of talented players. Hater.

rick66ankiel24
07-17-2009, 03:23 PM
if the offer is for around 9 mill per year..and i heard ppl saying how taxes r less or something in miami (which i have no idea about) then the deal with miami seems like it wud be worth more money to him and he'd have a much much bigger role with them.
id put my money on odom to miami.

they wont offer $9 mil, all they can afford is the MLE ($5.8 i think) and they would give him that over 5 years is what im guessing they offered

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:23 PM
no way they can have that many big contracts and then try to resign boozer and wade next offseason unless their owner hits the lottery

That's where your wrong. If they acquire Boozer he will not be re-signed. Most likely.

abe_froman
07-17-2009, 03:23 PM
Lol. The whole point was to pair Boozer and Odom.

no it wasnt,he point was to get either or both,there was nothing stating the plan was pairing them only, and the point is an attempt to keep wade happy and not get on a plane for chicago next offseason

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 03:24 PM
no way they can have that many big contracts and then try to resign boozer and wade next offseason unless their owner hits the lottery

:laugh:

They will have 8 million on the books next year + Odom.

That still leaves 35 mil in space which is enough for two max contracts +.

Also, the owner, Micky Arison, is a billionaire.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:24 PM
even IF the heat sign odom they still havent got a 'real' big man and with a signing of odom i doubt they can trade for boozer

The whole point was to pair Boozer with Odom in Miami with Wade lol.

Jonathan2323
07-17-2009, 03:24 PM
no way they can have that many big contracts and then try to resign boozer and wade next offseason unless their owner hits the lottery

I wish you would look at facts instead of just thinking its impossible. it is possible.


http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9147

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 03:24 PM
That's where your wrong. If they acquire Boozer he will not be re-signed. Most likely.

if thats true the miami are trying to win for one year that shows wade they are competing for years to come? i thought they wanted to satisfy him not just for one year

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:26 PM
if thats true the miami are trying to win for one year that shows wade they are competing for years to come? i thought they wanted to satisfy him not just for one year

They're letting him go after 2009 because they have enough to offer a max contract to maybe a guy like Amare or Bosh.

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 03:26 PM
I wish you would look at facts instead of just thinking its impossible. it is possible.

it is possible but how much luxury tax is the owner going to pay who owns the team George Steinbrenner

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:27 PM
if thats true the miami are trying to win for one year that shows wade they are competing for years to come? i thought they wanted to satisfy him not just for one year
Miami has the cap space to either sign Bosh or Amare next off season. They won't need Boozer.

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:27 PM
Miami has the cap space to either sign Bosh or Amare next off season. They won't need Boozer.

:nod:

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:27 PM
That's where your wrong. If they acquire Boozer he will not be re-signed. Most likely.

You are completely wrong. The point of getting him would be to sign him to an extension.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:28 PM
it is possible but how much luxury tax is the owner going to pay who owns the team George Steinbrenner

hahahah, you sound ridiculously scared and you sound like a huge hater

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:28 PM
You are completely wrong. The point of getting him would be to sign him to an extension.

No, it's not. He's an expiring contract therefore we can sign Amare or Bosh.

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 03:29 PM
it is possible but how much luxury tax is the owner going to pay who owns the team George Steinbrenner

Wade, Boozer, Odom (Around 36 mil) and the other three young guys who are under contract in 2010 (8 million) (44 mil total, leaving 6+ million to maneuver).

We'd have bird rights on a ton of players, James Jones with a PO, and any number of minimum contracts and still be well under the tax.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:30 PM
You are completely wrong. The point of getting him would be to sign him to an extension.

No your wrong, again Miami has the cap space to get another top tier player to pair with Wade next season. Someone like Bosh or Amare. They won't need Boozer if they can get one of those guys.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:30 PM
No, it's not. He's an expiring contract therefore we can sign Amare or Bosh.

Do you read any of these articles? We would be getting him and his bird rights with the intent to resign him to an extension.

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 03:31 PM
Miami has the cap space to either sign Bosh or Amare next off season. They won't need Boozer.

Exactly, it'd be a win in the short term and the long term. People can't seem to understand this.


You are completely wrong. The point of getting him would be to sign him to an extension.

No, you're completely wrong. Riley has said the point is to make moves while still keeping 2010 F/A open.


No, it's not. He's an expiring contract therefore we can sign Amare or Bosh.

There you go.


Do you read any of these articles? We would be getting him and his bird rights with the intent to resign him to an extension.

No. The good thing about the bird rights is that we'd be able to sign him over the cap in 2010.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:31 PM
No your wrong, again Miami has the cap space to get another top tier player to pair with Wade next season. Someone like Bosh or Amare. They won't need Boozer if they can get one of those guys.

No, they would do that with J.O., not boozer.

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 03:32 PM
wow what is this the miami heats forum im just going to wait and see what happens... see if they can even land odom or boozer

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:33 PM
No, they would do that with J.O., not boozer.

Lol. Actually there's a good chance both of them could leave.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:34 PM
Lol. Actually there's a good chance both of them could leave.

Nah, I would think that we would keep Boozer and his 20 and 10 and get an Amare to put at center for J.O.

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:35 PM
Nah, I would think that we would keep Boozer and his 20 and 10 and get an Amare to put at center for J.O.

Boozer and Amare. That's on shitastic defensive frontcourt.

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 03:36 PM
Nah, I would think that we would keep Boozer and his 20 and 10 and get an Amare to put at center for J.O.

Maybe, maybe not. The point of the deal would be to win now, while retaining flexibility for the 2010 free agency.

Lebron, Amare, and Bosh would all be preferred options.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:37 PM
No, they would do that with J.O., not boozer.

What don't you get? Boozer is an expiring contract along with most of the team. Which means Miami has the cap space to sign one of the top players in the 2010 class someone like Bosh or Amare. They won't need him if they can get a better elite PF. Riley is trying to make these moves to keep Wade happy, but at the same time keeping 2010.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:37 PM
So you plan on dumping both and just getting an also offensive minded bosh or amare? Genius plan.

heatfan03
07-17-2009, 03:39 PM
lol at lakers fans

its not a sign and trade its a straight sign u aint gettin beasley

Jonathan2323
07-17-2009, 03:40 PM
lol at lakers fans

its not a sign and trade its a straight sign u aint gettin beasley

LMAO at LA fans thinking they might get Beasley for Odom

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 03:41 PM
So you plan on dumping both and just getting an also offensive minded bosh or amare? Genius plan.

Either way, Odom, Beasley and Amare/Bosh could be/is better than what it would be with Boozer out there. The athleticism is much better and defense could potentially be better.

Also, no Boozer= more room for better roleplayers beyond the starting lineup, which is important.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:41 PM
So you plan on dumping both and just getting an also offensive minded bosh or amare? Genius plan.

Miami has to resign Wade as well, the Heat won't have enough to sign all three of them to max contracts.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:41 PM
That's why I said shitastic. Boozer and Amare both suck on defense.

Then id rather have Boozer with room to get 6 million other money to get other players and get deeper.

That and amare is probably going to the knicks, he doesnt want to be the 2nd fiddle.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:42 PM
Miami has to resign Wade as well, the Heat won't have enough to sign all three of them to max contracts.

I just said that I didn't want to do that. I would rather have

Wade 18 mill
Boozer 10 mill
Odom 7 mill
Beasley 5 mill

thats with another 12 million more to fill out the roster.

Grim Reaper
07-17-2009, 03:42 PM
the link on espn says the offer approaches 9 mill.

I know. Then it says 5 years at 35 million which is 7 million a year. The Lakers offered him 36 million for 4 years. I don't get it.

RocketsFan4Life
07-17-2009, 03:43 PM
he is taking less money but i hear there is candy involved and he is a sucker for candy

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:43 PM
Then id rather have Boozer with room to get 6 million other money to get other players and get deeper.

That and amare is probably going to the knicks, he doesnt want to be the 2nd fiddle.

Why not let Boozer walk and sign Amare. Amare is younger and better.

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 03:44 PM
I know. Then it says 5 years at 35 million which is 7 million a year. The Lakers offered him 36 million for 4 years. I don't get it.

I'll explain again. Due to the contract escalation by 10% per year and bonus(es), Lamar would receive an amount approaching 9 mill on the last year.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:45 PM
Why not let Boozer walk and sign Amare. Amare is younger and better.

Boozer isnt that much worse, is much more inclined to be a 2nd fiddle, and we have his bird right where we can go over the cap to re sign him, something we couldnt do with Amare, and we will have the 6 million left over to have more depth

solelimited
07-17-2009, 03:45 PM
I read this on John Hollinger twitter. Its NOT a RUMOR or anything, just a little insite on the whole tax thing i keep reading about.

"Quick tax lesson: CA's max rate if 10%. With $9 mil from LA Odom owes 900K at most, makes his take-home $8.1 mil. Most Heat can pay is $5.8"

http://twitter.com/johnhollinger

sorry if this was already posted.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:45 PM
I just said that I didn't want to do that. I would rather have

Wade 18 mill
Boozer 10 mill
Odom 7 mill
Beasley 5 mill

thats with another 12 million more to fill out the roster.

Boozer wouldn't take much of a paycut. Something around 13-15 mil

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 03:46 PM
Boozer wouldn't take much of a paycut. Something around 13-15 mil

i dont think he would get that much. Maybe 10-13 million.

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:48 PM
his current contract he is making a little over 12 mil

abe_froman
07-17-2009, 03:49 PM
i dont think he would get that much. Maybe 10-13 million.

he's looking for at least 14

static_inferno
07-17-2009, 03:50 PM
What people are not getting is that it starts at the MLE and approaches 9 million in the final year....
what you are not getting is that LA can offer him 9 million in the first year and approaches 11-12 million in the final year....

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 03:50 PM
he's looking for at least 14

Yeah I think he'll sign for something like this.

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 03:53 PM
what you are not getting is that LA can offer him 9 million in the first year and approaches 11-12 million in the final year....

Tell that to Mr. Odom, because he clearly doesn't want to play for the Lakers.

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 03:56 PM
Odom can't play for the Lakers if they retracted the offer.....which they did.

solelimited
07-17-2009, 03:58 PM
Tell that to Mr. Odom, because he clearly doesn't want to play for the Lakers.

I dont get where u are reading that he doesn't want to play LA. There is no deal on table for him to play on table right now. Hes repeated atleast 10x, that he loves LA and wants to stay. He just wanted MORE money then the lakers were willing to give him. I haven't heard anything about him wanting to play in Miami. i hear his agent wants him too, and he likes the city, and hes familiar with the system.

BALLER71
07-17-2009, 04:00 PM
I dont get where u are reading that he doesn't want to play LA. There is no deal on table for him to play on table right now. Hes repeated atleast 10x, that he loves LA and wants to stay. He just wanted MORE money then the lakers were willing to give him. I haven't heard anything about him wanting to play in Miami. i hear his agent wants him too, and he likes the city, and hes familiar with the system.

Well he won't play for the Lakers getting payed what they're offering him.

Boston Faithful
07-17-2009, 04:00 PM
what you are not getting is that LA can offer him 9 million in the first year and approaches 11-12 million in the final year....

No, 4 yrs 36 million is 9 million across the board.

Take away the 10% CA taxes, it's 8.1 per year.

Year 1: 8.1 million
Year 2: 8.1 million
Year 3: 8.1 million
Year 4: 8.1 million

On the other hand, Florida HAS no taxes.

Year 1: 5.8 million (only 2.3 less)
Year 2: 6.8 million (only 1.3 less)
Year 3: 7.4 million (only 0.7 less)
Year 4: 8.2 million (actually more than LA's 4th year)
Year 5: 9 million - LA isn't even offering a fifth year

So basically Odom is getting a 5th year at 9 million a year and is only sacrificing 4.2 million in the process to sign with a team that appreciates him more AND where he'll get to start.

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 04:01 PM
what you are not getting is that LA can offer him 9 million in the first year and approaches 11-12 million in the final year....


Well he won't play for the Lakers getting payed what they're offering him.

Point is, that offer is not on the table. They can offer as much as they'd like, but they don't have that offer available. The offer is retracted. Lamar is not invited to get paid any amount for LA.

Think, please.


No, 4 yrs 36 million is 9 million across the board.

Take away the 10% CA taxes, it's 8.1 per year.

Year 1: 8.1 million
Year 2: 8.1 million
Year 3: 8.1 million
Year 4: 8.1 million

On the other hand, Florida HAS no taxes.

Year 1: 5.8 million (only 2.3 less)
Year 2: 6.8 million (only 1.3 less)
Year 3: 7.4 million (only 0.7 less)
Year 4: 8.2 million (actually more than LA's 4th year)
Year 5: 9 million - LA isn't even offering a fifth year

So basically Odom is getting a 5th year at 9 million a year and is only sacrificing 4.2 million in the process to sign with a team that appreciates him more AND where he'll get to start.

Yes. Good post.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-17-2009, 04:05 PM
:jumpy: Come on odom! Come back to us!! Accept the contract!

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 04:08 PM
:dance: Odom sign already! :dance:

Gibby23
07-17-2009, 04:08 PM
No, 4 yrs 36 million is 9 million across the board.

Take away the 10% CA taxes, it's 8.1 per year.

Year 1: 8.1 million
Year 2: 8.1 million
Year 3: 8.1 million
Year 4: 8.1 million

On the other hand, Florida HAS no taxes.

Year 1: 5.8 million (only 2.3 less)
Year 2: 6.8 million (only 1.3 less)
Year 3: 7.4 million (only 0.7 less)
Year 4: 8.2 million (actually more than LA's 4th year)
Year 5: 9 million - LA isn't even offering a fifth year

So basically Odom is getting a 5th year at 9 million a year and is only sacrificing 4.2 million in the process to sign with a team that appreciates him more AND where he'll get to start.


Acually you are wrong. The Miami MLE offer is like this:

Year 1. 5.85
Year 2. 6.32
Year 3. 6.82
Year 4. 7.37
Year 5. 7.96
Total: 34.32 million, and that is the most the MLE can go up to.

AntiG
07-17-2009, 04:09 PM
signing bonus and incentives go against a teams cap

state income tax differential is huge.

Florida has none, California is amongst the country's worst at 9.3% for someone who is earning over 250K. That's literally about a full million average difference on a yearly basis.

EL HEAT
07-17-2009, 04:10 PM
:dance: come on odom :dance:

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-17-2009, 04:12 PM
even IF the heat sign odom they still havent got a 'real' big man and with a signing of odom i doubt they can trade for boozer

We get it, you think the heat suck and you pray to god we don't get either of them.

LADanks
07-17-2009, 04:19 PM
state income tax differential is huge.

Florida has none, California is amongst the country's worst at 9.3% for someone who is earning over 250K. That's literally about a full million average difference on a yearly basis.

Not really. People are overstating the whole state tax thing. It's been noted 1,000 times, but you have to account for away games in both cases. Odom wont be taxed a full 10% of his salary by the CA gov. playing in LA, only the games he plays in the state. Conversely, he would be taxed for all the road games of states who do not have 0% income tax playing in Miami. So it's much less than a full million off his salary.

Boston Faithful
07-17-2009, 04:19 PM
Acually you are wrong. The Miami MLE offer is like this:

Year 1. 5.85
Year 2. 6.32
Year 3. 6.82
Year 4. 7.37
Year 5. 7.96
Total: 34.32 million, and that is the most the MLE can go up to.

No, actually you are wrong. Rasheed Wallace is getting paid 6.8 million in year two of his mid level deal. Explain that?

The point is moot anyway. Odom's not going back to the Lakers. Get over it.

SB75
07-17-2009, 04:21 PM
Good fit for the Heat.

AllOut305
07-17-2009, 04:21 PM
It doesn't make sense to sign with another team whos offering the same out as the Lakers after coming off a championship. If Odom leaves, I will truly be upset with him.

Im sure Odom truly does not give a **** about you think or feel. . . . With that being said, I hope he goes to miami. Dwayne Wade surely does need his help.

Gibby23
07-17-2009, 04:24 PM
No, actually you are wrong. Rasheed Wallace is getting paid 6.8 million in year two of his mid level deal. Explain that?

The point is moot anyway. Odom's not going back to the Lakers. Get over it.

I could care less, only team that has a shot to beat the Lakers is the Spurs or Magic. If the Heat do get odom and Boozer, they might be better than the old timers team in Boston.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-17-2009, 04:24 PM
Lmao the heat fans completely dominated this thread lol.

LETS GO HEAT! LETS GO HEAT! LETS GO HEAT!

Pat Riley is a genius!

Boston Faithful
07-17-2009, 04:27 PM
I could care less, only team that has a shot to beat the Lakers is the Spurs or Magic. If the Heat do get odom and Boozer, they might be better than the old timers team in Boston.

You're so smart. It's not like the Spurs aren't alot older than the Celtics. :rolleyes:

Rondo, Perkins and Big Baby - three huge playoff contributers last year - are real old. Right.

Gibby23
07-17-2009, 04:28 PM
No, actually you are wrong. Rasheed Wallace is getting paid 6.8 million in year two of his mid level deal. Explain that?

The point is moot anyway. Odom's not going back to the Lakers. Get over it.

And you are wrong again. Rasheed is getting paid 6.32 in year 2 and a little bit under 6.8 in year 3.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/boston.htm

Thake a look at Arizas and Artests contracts and they are the 5 year MLE and they are alittle under the numbers I lister. You are wrong.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/houston.htm

Just in case you forgot, you are wrong.

dwadefan03
07-17-2009, 04:28 PM
i dont know why every body has us so far down on the rankings. if we get bozer and odom wed be a the 4th best team in the league. the only teams that are better are the magic cavs and a toss-up b/w the lakers and spurs. with odm gone as well as ariza they have no depth behind their big men. drew bynum tends to get into foul trouble EVERY game, so its tough o see them repeating. also boston i dont think will be able to beat us because alot of their players have inconsistent stretches.also they are declining and it doesnt seem like they can stay healthy throughout the whole season.

dwadefan03
07-17-2009, 04:29 PM
wade,boozer,odom,beasley.......damn that sounds so nice

Gibby23
07-17-2009, 04:30 PM
You're so smart. It's not like the Spurs aren't alot older than the Celtics. :rolleyes:

Rondo, Perkins and Big Baby - three huge playoff contributers last year - are real old. Right.

Let's see: Tim Duncan 4 time champ who know how to get it done more than 1 time, or a team full of 1 and dones including Wallace.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-17-2009, 04:32 PM
The heat still aren't contenders yet if we do sign odom. We would fight for the 4 spot, but thats about it. If we also get boozer then homecourt to start the playoffs is a guarentee and we could compete with the magic. Losing hedo was a big loss so i thing he magic took a step back this year.

And idk why people think the lakers are so bad now, they are still the number 1 team in the west and will try to repeat. One of the lakers problems was being too soft and they added one of the hardest players in the nba in ron artest. Lamar odom was a pretty big loss, but its not something to be pissed off about.

shizzle09
07-17-2009, 04:42 PM
i doubt they give him anymore than the mid level

did you read the article?? It said a deal approaching the 9 mil the Lakers offered. No state tax and other payment options will be fine with LO. Sign the deal Lamar!!!

shizzle09
07-17-2009, 04:44 PM
The headline at the top is: Report: Heat, offer Odom deal

LOL, in big BOLD letters.

Sportfan
07-17-2009, 04:46 PM
if the offer is for around 9 mill per year..and i heard ppl saying how taxes r less or something in miami (which i have no idea about) then the deal with miami seems like it wud be worth more money to him and he'd have a much much bigger role with them.
id put my money on odom to miami.

how is that possible? they have no cap

b_rad23
07-17-2009, 04:47 PM
how is that possible? they have no cap

Please read the rest of the thread.

shizzle09
07-17-2009, 04:48 PM
No, 4 yrs 36 million is 9 million across the board.

Take away the 10% CA taxes, it's 8.1 per year.

Year 1: 8.1 million
Year 2: 8.1 million
Year 3: 8.1 million
Year 4: 8.1 million

On the other hand, Florida HAS no taxes.

Year 1: 5.8 million (only 2.3 less)
Year 2: 6.8 million (only 1.3 less)
Year 3: 7.4 million (only 0.7 less)
Year 4: 8.2 million (actually more than LA's 4th year)
Year 5: 9 million - LA isn't even offering a fifth year

So basically Odom is getting a 5th year at 9 million a year and is only sacrificing 4.2 million in the process to sign with a team that appreciates him more AND where he'll get to start.

Nice post

Gibby23
07-17-2009, 04:54 PM
Nice post

It's wrong.

SpursRedemption
07-17-2009, 05:02 PM
Its funny how all the Laker fans know they're screwed! Great Job Miami!!
Ohh and why does everyone assume the Spurs are still old? They have only 4 players over 30,
Duncan.
Mcdyess.
Manu.
Finley.
Rest are all younger,! Lol

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 05:07 PM
probably because you just named your 2 best players in that post

THE MTL
07-17-2009, 05:08 PM
WTF!?!? We talking about TAXES and s**t. We talking about taxes. Not the game, but taxes! Not the Wade, but taxes. Not the Kobe, but taxes. Taxes? Taxes?!!!!

We talking about TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO LMAO LMAO!

jdricks
07-17-2009, 05:08 PM
Good post, milf.

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 05:09 PM
thanks, lol

daleja424
07-17-2009, 05:10 PM
WTF!?!? We talking about TAXES and s**t. We talking about taxes. Not the game, but taxes! Not the Wade, but taxes. Not the Kobe, but taxes. Taxes? Taxes?!!!!

We talking about TAXES!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO LMAO LMAO!

ya...kinda sad aint it..

SpursRedemption
07-17-2009, 05:17 PM
probably because you just named your 2 best players in that post

Oh. Lol, okay......

Letsgoheat3
07-17-2009, 05:30 PM
They are a great team, but if you cant see why they are old then i'm not sure what to tell you.

king4day
07-17-2009, 05:36 PM
Sounds more like he'd want a longer deal. So if Miami offers 4 and LA 3 and both at the same price, why wouldn't he go to Miami? He's got his ring, and now can help build something special in Miami.

GoatMilk
07-17-2009, 05:38 PM
ive never seen taxes being brought up so much before about where a guy might sign

does it matter? they have enough money to last forever. he could play for free from here on out and be fine financially

Pharoe18
07-17-2009, 05:39 PM
With Odom in place, Miami looks like they have a fantastic shot to win the title in 2010 and beyond with Beasley, Wade and Bosh/Amare.

Pharoe18
07-17-2009, 05:40 PM
ive never seen taxes being brought up so much before about where a guy might sign

does it matter? they have enough money to last forever. he could play for free from here on out and be fine financially

Taxes definitely matter when deciding where to play. Teams in states like Florida who don't have a state income tax can offer a little bit less in salary but still be giving the player the level overall income after taxes. Helps us big time.

Edit: but not the Marlins of course...

SB75
07-17-2009, 05:48 PM
I wouldn't call them championship contenders, but they should make some noise.

lakers3peat
07-17-2009, 05:51 PM
Miami sucks - bottom line. If Odom goes to Miami, you can kiss him winning another title goodbye. I have tons of respect for Dwade, but he is going to leave next year anyways. Even with Odom (if he does sign), you have no chance to beat Boston, Orl or Cle. Even Detroit would be better - go Lakers - LO come home and win another ring

Public Enemy #1
07-17-2009, 06:00 PM
Do it Odom! Just to piss off the Lakers. :)

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 06:51 PM
Miami sucks - bottom line. If Odom goes to Miami, you can kiss him winning another title goodbye. I have tons of respect for Dwade, but he is going to leave next year anyways. Even with Odom (if he does sign), you have no chance to beat Boston, Orl or Cle. Even Detroit would be better - go Lakers - LO come home and win another ring

cough...Hater...cough

J_M_B
07-17-2009, 06:57 PM
Wow why do you guys hate on the Heat so much? What did they ever do to you? Oh yeah nothing. Just because the Heat are making some noise right now about acquiring Boozer and signing Lamar to pair up with Wade and Beasley. Just because they might become legit contenders in the East, so everybody starts to panic.

Lakers4ItAll
07-17-2009, 06:59 PM
Even if the Heat get Odom and Boozer they still wont be as good as BOS ORL or CLE.

IRUAM #21
07-17-2009, 06:59 PM
Miami sucks - bottom line. If Odom goes to Miami, you can kiss him winning another title goodbye. I have tons of respect for Dwade, but he is going to leave next year anyways. Even with Odom (if he does sign), you have no chance to beat Boston, Orl or Cle. Even Detroit would be better - go Lakers - LO come home and win another ring

:yawn:

carter15
07-17-2009, 07:05 PM
even tho i hate to say this..i agree with the laker fans saying miami still wont win with LO.
theyd forsure b the 4th seed i think...but i dont c them been on the same level as Bos, Cle and Orl.

_KB24_
07-17-2009, 07:07 PM
If Mitch lets Odom go, Artest will murder his ***.

LA_Raiders
07-17-2009, 07:09 PM
man everybody talks like Odumb is the big ****, lol, that **** sucker is inconsistent as ****, only 1 good playoffs and everybody thinks they can win a ring with him...

lol...

_KB24_
07-17-2009, 07:10 PM
Wow why do you guys hate on the Heat so much? What did they ever do to you? Oh yeah nothing. Just because the Heat are making some noise right now about acquiring Boozer and signing Lamar to pair up with Wade and Beasley. Just because they might become legit contenders in the East, so everybody starts to panic.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Your joking right? Why would everybody need to panic. You should take a head start and realize Wade is leaving you guys as soon as he can.

playa6816
07-17-2009, 07:16 PM
Beasley for Odom :puke:

lol i know right. stupid laker fan, must think the Heat is run by the same owner of the Memphis Grizzles lol!

IRUAM #21
07-17-2009, 07:20 PM
man everybody talks like Odumb is the big ****, lol, that **** sucker is inconsistent as ****, only 1 good playoffs and everybody thinks they can win a ring with him...

lol...

Yeah, i know everyone hated Odom and all of sudden he's leaving and the Lakers cant repeat ? :confused:

Pharoe18
07-17-2009, 07:36 PM
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Your joking right? Why would everybody need to panic. You should take a head start and realize Wade is leaving you guys as soon as he can.

Wade isn't leaving and there is no reason for you to think that he will besides just not liking the Heat.

Hater

Trouble87
07-17-2009, 07:43 PM
hope he goes to the MIA

_KB24_
07-17-2009, 07:43 PM
Wade isn't leaving and there is no reason for you to think that he will besides just not liking the Heat.

Hater

FYI, Wade has publically said that he wants to play for a contender. The Heat are nowhere close to being a contender. You guys are so lookng forward to the summer of 10, who are you going to sign to come play with Wade? No one. Hes a gonner.

Pharoe18
07-17-2009, 07:56 PM
FYI, Wade has publically said that he wants to play for a contender. The Heat are nowhere close to being a contender. You guys are so lookng forward to the summer of 10, who are you going to sign to come play with Wade? No one. Hes a gonner.

Wade+beasley+odom+bosh/amare isn't a contender?

Pharoe18
07-17-2009, 07:57 PM
ESPN's Ric Bucher said via Twitter that the Heat still haven't made a formal offer to Lamar Odom, but could.
There have been some reports that an offer has been made, but the reality is that the two parties are very likely in discussions. Dwyane Wade would love to see Odom in Miami, and given the fact talks have stalled with the Lakers, anything is possible.

-Rotoworld

We're going in circles now. This is getting ridiculous.

daleja424
07-17-2009, 07:57 PM
FYI, Wade has publically said that he wants to play for a contender. The Heat are nowhere close to being a contender. You guys are so lookng forward to the summer of 10, who are you going to sign to come play with Wade? No one. Hes a gonner.

stop baiting... you Laker fans forget so fast. It want so long ago that Kobe asked to be traded... and that worked out fine for you. dwyane has said from day one he would love to end his career in miami... just stop

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 09:08 PM
looks like this odom to miami talk has died down i knew odom wouldnt accept that offer doesnt make sense and bucher is saying miami might have offered a contract.

daleja424
07-17-2009, 09:12 PM
looks like this odom to miami talk has died down i knew odom wouldnt accept that offer doesnt make sense and bucher is saying miami might have offered a contract.

any link... bc I thought Bucher said they hadnt yet made an offer but might...

KB24PG16
07-17-2009, 09:17 PM
http://twitter.com/RicBucher not a solid source but im pretty sure thats his

daleja424
07-17-2009, 09:25 PM
they still might make an offer... not they might have already made an offer...

Kobe2324
07-17-2009, 09:53 PM
I am a Lakers fan, I love odom and everyone is saying we cant repeat without him which i think is funny. Considering the worse player in the starting line up is fisher i think we are still the heavy favorites to win it. As well we could still sign a role player for the vet minimum to help out the bench and thats all we need. With this said I obviously hope odom signs back with the lakers but dont count us out yet cause we will be defending that title in the finals!

j0nyj0n
07-17-2009, 11:02 PM
Lakers still have a strong team but odom was pretty essential mainly because he led the second string and bynum cant play without a 1-1 minute:foul ratio.

Like the Boston trade a few years ago, I think Odom is waiting to see if the Boozer thing happens... then he'll probably sign. Meanwhile, it'll be interesting to see if Lakers feel confident in their position because they know odom is essential. I say Lakers wait to see the outcome of the Boozer trade and then they'll act

cuz if they act too fast now, they'll lose leverage

jrodmesche
07-17-2009, 11:12 PM
looks like this odom to miami talk has died down i knew odom wouldnt accept that offer doesnt make sense and bucher is saying miami might have offered a contract.

****in lakers *** need to stop ackting like odom should stay in LA when its obvious hed be better of in the MIA

GoatMilk
07-17-2009, 11:15 PM
I have learned that Lamar Odom had a phone conversation with Lakers owner Jerry Buss on Thursday. I am told the purpose of the call was to rebuild any bridges that Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz may have burned by not responding to the Lakers offer of 3-years $30 million, and 4-years for $36 million.

http://cbs2.com/sports/lakers.lamar.odom.2.1090930.html

CaleX(RR)MIA™
07-17-2009, 11:19 PM
http://cbs2.com/sports/lakers.lamar.odom.2.1090930.html

:mad::mad:

GoatMilk
07-17-2009, 11:27 PM
oh is it a repost?
lol

MTar786
07-17-2009, 11:27 PM
we need odom.. im not a biased laker fan.. WE NEED ODOM or ATLEAST sign him n trade him. but if he just goes.. TRUST ME we're not winning it next year. If odom stays then ur looking at the nba's next dynasty