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ILikeThePhils
07-17-2009, 12:28 AM
I know that power rules the MLB now, but do you think it's possible that a guy who has a low Slugging % and almost always hits singles but bats for a hit average could make it in the MLB? Even if he didn't have good speed?

SFGiants4life
07-17-2009, 12:41 AM
he has to have some sort of power, otherwise the Padres could use a .300 hitter, let alone a .275

Gigantes4Life
07-17-2009, 12:45 AM
If his OBP is .400, and he plays a very good SS or catcher, then probably easily.

papirico52
07-17-2009, 12:53 AM
mmm sure if he is clutch

MelkyNYY
07-17-2009, 12:56 AM
mmm sure if he is clutch

is this sarcastic??

brandonwarne52
07-17-2009, 12:57 AM
Is the correct answer.....Bengie Molina?

Tkais9009
07-17-2009, 12:57 AM
david Eckstein??? his avg is under .275 with no power and he is around

papirico52
07-17-2009, 12:59 AM
I know that power rules the MLB now, but do you think it's possible that a guy who has a low Slugging % and almost always hits singles but bats for a hit average could make it in the MLB? Even if he didn't have good speed?

are you thinkin in turning pro ?? :rimshot:

Gigantes4Life
07-17-2009, 01:07 AM
Is the correct answer.....Bengie Molina?

Bengie still adequately slugs. Kinda.

brandonwarne52
07-17-2009, 01:11 AM
....yeah. He was just the first person who came to mind.

Kinsm
07-17-2009, 01:42 AM
Yes, but he might not be a starter. Sean Casey was like that over his last 4/5 seasons.

a-rod 4 prez
07-17-2009, 01:43 AM
ichiro, except he isnt slow

abe_froman
07-17-2009, 01:43 AM
yeah,hasnt there already been some

zambo4president
07-17-2009, 02:11 AM
Like Jason Kendall except he was quick for a catcher once.

Kinsm
07-17-2009, 02:24 AM
Like Jason Kendall except he was quick for a catcher once.

Before or after the Roids?

mystro810
07-17-2009, 02:54 AM
depends on the position he plays. not if he is 1st base or outfield

Tevv-nah-Bead
07-17-2009, 02:57 AM
bengie molina has pop...kinsm-good call on kendall..he's been on my radar for years..i think Tony Gwynn was the exception..one of a kind

long ball
07-17-2009, 03:57 AM
Before or after the Roids?
He had decent speed until he had that devastating ankle injury.

mnrlgry
07-17-2009, 05:28 AM
as long as he walks enough then of course. If he hits .310 and has on obp of around .375 then he can't be THAT slow to where no one would want him.

bringinwood
07-17-2009, 05:45 AM
This day in age, no...

Tony Gwynn would probably not make it in todays baseball because he wasn't the athlete that so many of todays players are... You have to demonstrate that you can field, handle the bat, throw, run, and hit for some power before you will get a shot... If you aren't swiping 50 bags a year, then you better be striking out 200 hitters or hitting 30 homers a season... Otherwise, you aren't getting looked at...

Gwynn is always the first person I think of when I think of that type... He it well above .310 though and had gap to gap power.... He was just amazing at handling the bat... Same goes with Wade Boggs...

Unfortunately, the game is more about risk assessment... The scouts analyze who is less risky based on who has more tools... That's how they dole out that bonus cash...

toovey107
07-17-2009, 06:06 AM
if you dont think tony gwynn wouldnt make it in todays baseball you are insaine

LAFord
07-17-2009, 06:40 AM
It's James Loney, except he can't hit .300 anymore.

Twinke Masta
07-17-2009, 08:59 AM
Yes, ALOT of teams could use a consistent 300 hitter who only hits singles

misterd
07-17-2009, 09:36 AM
As a singles hitter, his OBP would matter more than his BA. If his OBP were .320, then probably not.

Also remember it is easier to get on some teams than on others.

DJM07836
07-17-2009, 10:10 AM
Take a look at half of my Mets roster and you'll have your answer. The other half has speed.:cool:

Gogosoxfan14
07-17-2009, 10:30 AM
his name is Aj Pierzynski

VinScully4pres.
07-17-2009, 10:35 AM
Are you serious???

I will give you one recent name that ends all of this.

Tony Gwynn.

And dont say that he had speed when he was young..

brandonwarne52
07-17-2009, 10:40 AM
Are you serious???

I will give you one recent name that ends all of this.

Tony Gwynn.

And dont say that he had speed when he was young..

Are you going to prove that he didn't?

Pretty sure a guy with career .847 OPS survives in any era, don't kid yourselves people.

Mase37
07-17-2009, 11:12 AM
Just take roids man. I know ur talking about u. Roids are whats in. No one will care. Its whats in now........

poodski
07-17-2009, 11:23 AM
If his OBP is .400, and he plays a very good SS or catcher, then probably easily.

Exactly. Really hard to make a decision with this little info.

If he is a .310/.325/.350 LFer than probably not.

If he is a .310/.450/.350 C I would say he would be a very good player.

Zaunnie
07-17-2009, 11:24 AM
Casey Kotchman?

poodski
07-17-2009, 11:27 AM
And dont say that he had speed when he was young..

He had speed when he was young....

His *** score shows that his speed was pretty good. Above average even.

Skylander14
07-17-2009, 11:35 AM
an example could be mauer before his power surge. I mean he isn't too quick. He does bat .310+ and before this season he never hit more then 13 hr in a season. So if everyteam could have a player like mauer I'm pretty sure they would.

DodgersFanFor23
07-17-2009, 11:40 AM
pierre minus speed

cwilson21
07-17-2009, 11:50 AM
an example could be mauer before his power surge. I mean he isn't too quick. He does bat .310+ and before this season he never hit more then 13 hr in a season. So if everyteam could have a player like mauer I'm pretty sure they would.

HR isn't the only way to judge power. His career SLG numbers are at .474 so is he far from being strictly a singles hitter.

Pensx3
07-17-2009, 11:56 AM
Freddy Sanchez made it to the big league

Sportfan
07-17-2009, 12:18 PM
Sean Casey

Jamiecballer
07-17-2009, 12:31 PM
Are you serious???

I will give you one recent name that ends all of this.

Tony Gwynn.

And dont say that he had speed when he was young..

Sorry. I have to. I know that basestealing is more than just pure speed but YOU DON'T STEAL 56 BASES IN A SEASON WITHOUT IT. And Tony Gwynn had like 40-50 extra base hits a year.

Ian.
07-17-2009, 12:38 PM
If you had a high OBP and hit .310, Billy Beane would draft you.

whitekimbo
07-17-2009, 12:41 PM
Is the correct answer.....Bengie Molina?

u mean yadi...

Giants-49ers-Ws
07-17-2009, 01:37 PM
yes

VinScully4pres.
07-18-2009, 01:39 AM
Are you going to prove that he didn't?

Pretty sure a guy with career .847 OPS survives in any era, don't kid yourselves people.

My point is that he was a tremendous hitter (player) that was not powerful. He was a singles/ doubles type hitter that did very well. He was not KNOWN for his speed (although he was not slow). It was his HOF hitting that kept him in the game.

To sum it up - one of the greats!

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-18-2009, 02:58 AM
I know that power rules the MLB now, but do you think it's possible that a guy who has a low Slugging % and almost always hits singles but bats for a hit average could make it in the MLB? Even if he didn't have good speed?

Are you that person lol. This is too random.

Liney3506
07-18-2009, 03:28 AM
Gregg Jefferies?

Matt-the-great
07-18-2009, 03:32 AM
sounds like Ross Gload

Hawkize31
07-18-2009, 03:42 AM
Skip Shumaker this year is hitting .305/.360/.400/.760. Thats pretty close. Its all about the OBP though. If you can get on base a lot, you really don't need to hit for power. Ryan Theriot is semi-fast and in 2008 he basically hit only singles. He hit .307 but his SLG was only .359 and he still scored 85 runs ahead of a highly productive Cubs middle of the order.

TheRuckus
07-18-2009, 03:54 AM
Paul Bako is in the majors, and he sucks balls*. So, yes.

*Apparently the Marlins didn't get the scouting report. They intentionally walked Bako- putting another runner in scoring position after already allowing a run in the 12th- to pitch to Jayson Werth. :laugh2:

MrJones
07-18-2009, 09:50 AM
Casey Kotchman.... .280/.354/.402/.756, nuff said

ntat
07-18-2009, 09:56 AM
if he is batting over .310 every year, of course he could. Assuming that he can play D and a few other things. But a slow guy that hits over .310, tony gwynn was fine the last 6 yeArs he played...

degnor
07-18-2009, 12:08 PM
Pablo Sandoval says "yes"

MetsAllTheWay
07-18-2009, 03:35 PM
paul lo duca a few years ago

ramz.n
07-18-2009, 04:47 PM
I know that power rules the MLB now, but do you think it's possible that a guy who has a low Slugging % and almost always hits singles but bats for a hit average could make it in the MLB? Even if he didn't have good speed?

he definitely could..be would for sure be a 6-9 hitter though...

bringinwood
07-18-2009, 06:20 PM
if you dont think tony gwynn wouldnt make it in todays baseball you are insaine

Of course Gwynn makes it "IN" the major leagues...

Does Gwynn make it to the major leagues today ??? Absolutely not... He is not toolsy enough of an outfielder by today's standard...

No scout, in their right mind, would tell a major league GM that this Gwynn kid is ready for the major leagues when he doesn't steals bases and doesn't hit for any real pop...

That's what gets scouts fired... What separated Gwynn from the rest was his unbelievable work ethic and ability to absorb knowledge on pitchers... He could handle a bat as well as anyone in baseball and that doesn't happen overnight...

mnrlgry
07-18-2009, 07:35 PM
Skip Shumaker this year is hitting .305/.360/.400/.760. Thats pretty close. Its all about the OBP though. If you can get on base a lot, you really don't need to hit for power. Ryan Theriot is semi-fast and in 2008 he basically hit only singles. He hit .307 but his SLG was only .359 and he still scored 85 runs ahead of a highly productive Cubs middle of the order.

Schumaker is fast though and because of that he's used as a lead off hitter. A slow singles hitter wouldn't have a place at the top of lineup but they'd still be useful as a 5-8 guy. Unless you have some really physically wrong with you, you won't be slow enough to not get on an MLB lineup if your obp is high enough

sox1818
07-18-2009, 08:12 PM
Sean Casey did pretty well for himself. 302 career hitter

AirJordanXVIII
07-18-2009, 08:18 PM
Yea, Sean Casey is a good example.

mise
07-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Before or after the Roids?

before he shattered his ankle in one of the most gruesome injuries I have ever seen.

bagwell368
07-18-2009, 09:18 PM
The question is sort of open ended. BA and SLG only under consideration? How about OBP?

How about this line: .310/.445/.345

Promise you the guy would be employed happily as a C, SS, 2B, CF, 3B by most teams - and for quite a few teams RF, LF, 1B.

That line is not unlike Boggs in his prime, although he'd have a somewhat higher BA, and SLG.

hoggin88
07-18-2009, 09:26 PM
Pablo Sandoval says "yes"

Sandoval hits for extra bases though.

bagwell368
07-18-2009, 09:30 PM
before he shattered his ankle in one of the most gruesome injuries I have ever seen.

The worst ankle injury I ever saw is Tommy Davis - he of the amazing 1962 season with the offensively blighted LA as his home park.

.346/.374/.535 230 Hits, 18 SB, 27 HR, 153 RBI (the most in 13 years, and the most for the next 34 years) - at age 23

He might have been a HOF'er - since he was good enough to play after the injury through age 37 - although his power was gone.

In early '65 he slid into second, and when he was done his foot and leg was broke in several places, and his ankle hung at the most awful angle.

dikimbemutumbo
07-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Look at matt murton

fishfan79
07-18-2009, 09:59 PM
if they are a catcher only

PhillyBoomerang
07-19-2009, 02:02 AM
yes.. if you can bat 300 i don't care, you can play in the big leagues

whitekimbo
07-19-2009, 02:59 AM
Skip Shumaker this year is hitting .305/.360/.400/.760. Thats pretty close. Its all about the OBP though. If you can get on base a lot, you really don't need to hit for power. Ryan Theriot is semi-fast and in 2008 he basically hit only singles. He hit .307 but his SLG was only .359 and he still scored 85 runs ahead of a highly productive Cubs middle of the order.

skip isnt slow but he does hit a lot of singles...

Driven
07-19-2009, 03:03 AM
I know that power rules the MLB now, but do you think it's possible that a guy who has a low Slugging % and almost always hits singles but bats for a hit average could make it in the MLB? Even if he didn't have good speed?
There's not enough info here. Yeah, the guy can have a high average, but let's say he has a .400 OBP and plays great defense. Of course he could make it.

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djeller1139
07-19-2009, 03:43 AM
what a pointless thread...

ILikeThePhils
07-19-2009, 02:09 PM
How about a guy who hits a lot of singles, doesn't steal a lot of bases, but walks a lot. He's a lefty pull hitter who can hit it hard to the Right-Center gap and might hit 5 homers a year, if that.

Russollini
07-19-2009, 02:42 PM
Luis Castillo anyone....

PS how can you be slow, hit singles and hit 300....I am thinking slow as he does not steal bases....many players make a career of this.

REGular
07-19-2009, 02:47 PM
I'm thinking Tony Gwynn?

I don't know exactly how slg is weighted by stat gurus over things like obp, but I would imagine especially in the post-steroids world where the long ball doesn't have the same rep that such a player could thrive.

ILikeThePhils
07-20-2009, 12:23 AM
I mean a guy who's really slow. I'm talking an 8 second 60...Could a guy like that, who has a sure glove and good arm in the outfield, who bats lefty and throws lefty...


could that guy make it in the majors? Even as a bench player?

Knowledge
07-20-2009, 12:38 AM
I though you were talking about Lou Marson.