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Mile High Champ
07-15-2009, 12:11 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember but I conducted a poll at the start of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

PG Rankings DONT FORGET TO VOTE!!

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Last Years PF rankings:



1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3) Amare Stoudemire
4) Chris Bosh
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Elton Brand
7) Carlos Boozer
8) Pau Gasol
9) Antawn Jamison
10) David West

blastmasta26
07-15-2009, 12:12 AM
Garnett.

Mile High Champ
07-15-2009, 12:13 AM
Poll is now up...

black1605
07-15-2009, 12:13 AM
Kg

yanksknicksgmen
07-15-2009, 12:26 AM
Kg

UofA
07-15-2009, 12:27 AM
Garnett for sure

WillisLovechild
07-15-2009, 12:42 AM
I have a question. What position is Odom considered? I didn't see him on the list when I was voting for SF and now I don't see him here.

AntiG
07-15-2009, 12:44 AM
I have a question. What position is Odom considered? I didn't see him on the list when I was voting for SF and now I don't see him here.

I'd say he's SF but he's not top 10 in either position IMO.

29$JerZ
07-15-2009, 12:45 AM
Kevin Garnett

lakers4sho
07-15-2009, 12:46 AM
I'd say he's SF but he's not top 10 in either position IMO.

Odom is EASILY a top 10 PF.

bosh_dwill
07-15-2009, 12:51 AM
whos going to be third bosh or dirk cuz i know for sure amare aint 3rd

no1baller
07-15-2009, 01:12 AM
garnett but i voted for dirk becuz i hate garnett

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 01:14 AM
Bosh and once again where the hell is Jamison???

Storch
07-15-2009, 01:45 AM
KG no doubt.

Bosh=nextKG
07-15-2009, 01:46 AM
Today:KG

Tomorrow:Chris Bosh

carter15
07-15-2009, 01:48 AM
i was gonna say garnett..but i think bosh..he ha everything is his game KG has...hes just on a **** team so cant really showcase it.

Kakaroach
07-15-2009, 01:54 AM
Dirk. Boozer would be up there had he been healthy.....

Tom81
07-15-2009, 03:04 AM
Pau Gasol

Baller1
07-15-2009, 03:44 AM
Garnett

Talick
07-15-2009, 04:06 AM
Today:KG

Tomorrow:Chris Bosh

lol Your username was made for this post. And I agree with you.

J-Relo
07-15-2009, 04:20 AM
1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3) Dirk Nowitzki
4) Chris Bosh
5) Pau Gasol
6) Amare Stoudemire

it's gonna be smth like this, Amare has to show this season what he really can!

BlondeBomber41
07-15-2009, 04:50 AM
Odom is EASILY a top 10 PF.

Tim Duncan
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
Amare Stoudemire
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Al Horford
David West
Lamarcus Aldridge
Antawn Jamison

All guys that are unquestionably better than Lamar Odom. Definently more consistent. Definently guys who if put on those players teams would start in front of Odom.

If you can tell me a single player I just listed that their team would prefer Odom over, go ahead.

Bosh=nextKG
07-15-2009, 05:07 AM
I would also rather have Zack Randolph over Odom and especially Al Jefferson, Technically Al is a PF,

WoodbridgeSkins
07-15-2009, 05:42 AM
Bosh and once again where the hell is Jamison???

As a Wiz fan, just like you, I really want to see Jamison in this poll too. Lets be serious though. He is an undersized 4 that gets bullied by other 4s. Great player and team leader. Just not a natural 4. Jamison is more like a 3.5;)

WoodbridgeSkins
07-15-2009, 05:45 AM
I would also rather have Zack Randolph over Odom and especially Al Jefferson, Technically Al is a PF,

Are you smoking crack? Randolph is a joke. Odom at least knows his role unlike Randolph. Al Jefferson will be the starting center for the West at next years All Star game with Yao out. Yes, he is a natural 4 though.

kbaxter34
07-15-2009, 08:01 AM
Tim Duncan
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
Amare Stoudemire
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Al Horford
David West
Lamarcus Aldridge
Antawn Jamison

All guys that are unquestionably better than Lamar Odom. Definently more consistent. Definently guys who if put on those players teams would start in front of Odom.

If you can tell me a single player I just listed that their team would prefer Odom over, go ahead.

A motivated Lamar Odom is better then most the people on that list. Unfortunately he is only motivated 1 out of every 5 games.

Sportfan
07-15-2009, 08:04 AM
KG its not even close

DCSportsIsPain
07-15-2009, 08:15 AM
Antawn Jamison is #11 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in scoring and he isn't even listed?
Antawn Jamison is #12 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in P/A/R and he isn't even listed?
Antawn Jamison is #09 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in Double-Doubles and ...

Garnett played 57 games. Garnett played 31 minutes per game. Garnett went for 15 points per game and 8 rebounds per game.

Jamison played 81 games, 38 minutes per game. Jamison went for 22 points per game and 9 rebounds per game. And he isn't even listed.

Nice popularity contest someone is running here.

Kabowdos
07-15-2009, 08:32 AM
Amare

KG is getting older and is not as good as he used to be, but still a great player.

Mile High Champ
07-15-2009, 09:27 AM
I have a question. What position is Odom considered? I didn't see him on the list when I was voting for SF and now I don't see him here.

I will add him and josh smith shortly. Why put them up now if there is not even the smallest chance they win this poll..

Mile High Champ
07-15-2009, 09:30 AM
As a Wiz fan, just like you, I really want to see Jamison in this poll too. Lets be serious though. He is an undersized 4 that gets bullied by other 4s. Great player and team leader. Just not a natural 4. Jamison is more like a 3.5;)

Read the information in my first post in the thread. It says clearly that I will add players as the poll goes on, Jamison had not a hope in hell of winning the 2nd poll..

CELTICS4LYFE
07-15-2009, 09:30 AM
Antawn Jamison is #11 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in scoring and he isn't even listed?
Antawn Jamison is #12 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in P/A/R and he isn't even listed?
Antawn Jamison is #09 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in Double-Doubles and ...

Garnett played 57 games. Garnett played 31 minutes per game. Garnett went for 15 points per game and 8 rebounds per game.

Jamison played 81 games, 38 minutes per game. Jamison went for 22 points per game and 9 rebounds per game. And he isn't even listed.

Nice popularity contest someone is running here.


....Kg still better lol

ManRam
07-15-2009, 09:31 AM
I still think it's KG. Don't care about the numbers, he still has more of an impact on a game than any of the other options. His defense alone is enough for me.

aman_13
07-15-2009, 09:54 AM
Hey MLC, i think you should move onto the #3 PF, because its pretty obvious that KG will win this poll.

phillychi009
07-15-2009, 09:56 AM
Pau Gasol

Unruly Fan
07-15-2009, 10:01 AM
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Chris Bosh
4. Pau Gasol

...

North Yorker
07-15-2009, 10:05 AM
MHC you have "PG Rankings- Don't Forget to Vote".

Just thought I let ya know.

Anyway it's between Bosh and KG for me

TheKing23
07-15-2009, 10:10 AM
Kevin Garnett mos def

cowboyz180
07-15-2009, 10:23 AM
dirk

danidin
07-15-2009, 10:25 AM
Today:KG

Tomorrow:Chris Bosh

Todat:KG
Yesterday:KG
Tomorrow:KG


Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Dirk Nowitzki
Amare Stoudemire
Pau Gasol
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
David West
Carlos Boozer
Lamarcus Aldridge
Rashrad Lewis

DCSportsIsPain
07-15-2009, 10:31 AM
....Kg still better lol

Thanks for that in depth analysis, Homer. :rolleyes:

LakeShow11
07-15-2009, 10:40 AM
Playoff success is a big part of these lists so I am actually gonna take Dirk over KG...hear me out...

25.5 11.0 2.6 = dirk
21.6 12.4 4.4 = kg

KG never made it out of the west until he got 2 other hall of fame players on his team. Dirk at least made it to the finals. They both also have one MVP. Give Dirk players as good as Paul Pierce and Ray Allen with that bench and this wouldn't be a conversation. For people who care about win shares... Dirk led the league three straight years...KG has only lead it one time his entire career.

kbaxter34
07-15-2009, 10:50 AM
Hey MLC, i think you should move onto the #3 PF, because its pretty obvious that KG will win this poll.

I 2nd this motion

azkarraga
07-15-2009, 10:58 AM
made a mistake. voted for gasol, but meant dirk. can it be fixed?

danidin
07-15-2009, 10:58 AM
IMO, every couch in the leauge would preferred KG on any other PF.

what KG do in the court is unbelievable... his defensive ability(in the c's) is the best I've ever seen since Big Ben(till 2005)

The best player in the NBA after LBJ IMO.

masalex1205
07-15-2009, 10:59 AM
Garnett

RocketsRule
07-15-2009, 11:01 AM
Gotta go with Kevin Garnett.

Anon
07-15-2009, 11:09 AM
I'm surprised Bosh Nowitzki and Garnett aren't closer in everybody's opinion. At this point in his career KG is nowhere near as productive as them. I get intangibles and KG's defense but I am surprised it is a blowout.

I took Bosh. 22 pts 10 rebs is something Garnett can't do at this point.

op12
07-15-2009, 11:10 AM
i think it is funny how everybody was arguing that amare is better than bosh on the last poll and a lot of people were even giving amare enough votes to hang with td and kg. its amazing how peoples opinions change so quick.

Chronz
07-15-2009, 11:46 AM
i think it is funny how everybody was arguing that amare is better than bosh on the last poll and a lot of people were even giving amare enough votes to hang with td and kg. its amazing how peoples opinions change so quick.

Whats even more ridiculous is that people thought Bosh was in Dirks league. And Amare is better than Bosh.

Chronz
07-15-2009, 11:48 AM
I'm surprised Bosh Nowitzki and Garnett aren't closer in everybody's opinion. At this point in his career KG is nowhere near as productive as them. I get intangibles and KG's defense but I am surprised it is a blowout.

I took Bosh. 22 pts 10 rebs is something Garnett can't do at this point.

KG puts up better #'s you just arent accounting for pace, minutes and efficiency, this was a down year for him, but he was playing hurt for awhile. He'll bounce back this year.

Gibby23
07-15-2009, 11:48 AM
Whats even more ridiculous is that people thought Bosh was in Dirks league. And Amare is better than Bosh.

And Gasol is better than Amare.

TD
KG
Dirk
Gasol
Amare.

Chronz
07-15-2009, 11:49 AM
And Gasol is better than Amare.

TD
KG
Dirk
Gasol
Amare.
Some would argue Pau is better than all of them save Duncan after this year.

Gibby23
07-15-2009, 11:54 AM
Some would argue Pau is better than all of them save Duncan after this year.

I would, but didn't want to sound like a homer. I would take him over KG and Duncan because he is 4 years younger and his production is on par with those 2.

Mile High Champ
07-15-2009, 11:54 AM
Whats even more ridiculous is that people thought Bosh was in Dirks league. And Amare is better than Bosh.

ahha Amare is not as good as Bosh. Amare is an awful defender and has no game outside 12 feet..

Gibby23
07-15-2009, 11:59 AM
ahha Amare is not as good as Bosh. Amare is an awful defender and has no game outside 12 feet..

What about the 15 footers he knocks down all day? And Bosh is no force in the paint on D either.

Chronz
07-15-2009, 12:03 PM
ahha Amare is not as good as Bosh. Amare is an awful defender and has no game outside 12 feet..

Im trying to picture where 12 feet is at, thats good range for a bigman and Ive seen him nail long 2's easily, even made a few 3's, Amare has good technique on his jumper. Besides both are awful defenders, atleast Amare has the size and strength to not get pushed down on the blocks.

NYMetros
07-15-2009, 12:05 PM
I voted KG for the #1 spot, so I guess I should vote him here too.

The #3 vote should be a good one.

aman_13
07-15-2009, 12:23 PM
i think it is funny how everybody was arguing that amare is better than bosh on the last poll and a lot of people were even giving amare enough votes to hang with td and kg. its amazing how peoples opinions change so quick.

I also find it funny how some people think Gasol is better than Bosh after he had a great playoffs. He had a strong year, but he is not better than Bosh.

Jays Claw
07-15-2009, 12:39 PM
I would have to say Kevin Garnett even though I hate him.

Hawkeye15
07-15-2009, 12:42 PM
still Duncan and KG, even after all these years

Raph12
07-15-2009, 12:51 PM
KG when healthy, but at 33, idk if putting him (16 and 8 guy) before Bosh (who is a 23 and 10 guy) is smart for today, maybe 2 years ago but with KG coming out of injury and Bosh at full health, I'd take Bosh over KG in a heartbeat.
The thread is the #2 PF In the NBA TODAY guys not when KG was/ever will be healthy

jimbobjarree
07-15-2009, 12:51 PM
KG baby...next up its harder since nobody else plays defense at this position

Brooklyn Mets
07-15-2009, 12:52 PM
kg no doubt.. he's got the post up moves, the good jump shot, and the athleticism.. not to mention the fire he plays with..

Vidball
07-15-2009, 01:52 PM
KG is on the back-end of his career...Dirk.

tbone2171
07-15-2009, 02:04 PM
KG when healthy, but at 33, idk if putting him (16 and 8 guy) before Bosh (who is a 23 and 10 guy) is smart for today, maybe 2 years ago but with KG coming out of injury and Bosh at full health, I'd take Bosh over KG in a heartbeat.
The thread is the #2 PF In the NBA TODAY guys not when KG was/ever will be healthy

KG on the raptors averages 23 and 10 easily..

tbone2171
07-15-2009, 02:05 PM
BTW I'm a fan of Bosh. Voted KG.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-15-2009, 02:09 PM
Odom is EASILY a top 10 PF.

Better than(In no order)

Duncan
Garnett
Nowitzki
Bosh
Amare
Boozer
Aldridge
Lewis
West
Gasol
Horford
Diaw
Millsap

Raps18-19 Champ
07-15-2009, 02:09 PM
Hate the guy but it is KG.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-15-2009, 02:10 PM
I can't believe people are voting guys like Bosh, Gasol and Amare as 2nd best.

Use you common sense. It is KG or Dirk. Those 2 are the only reasonable choices.

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 03:30 PM
Antawn Jamison is #11 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in scoring and he isn't even listed?
Antawn Jamison is #12 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in P/A/R and he isn't even listed?
Antawn Jamison is #09 in the ENTIRE LEAGUE in Double-Doubles and ...

Garnett played 57 games. Garnett played 31 minutes per game. Garnett went for 15 points per game and 8 rebounds per game.

Jamison played 81 games, 38 minutes per game. Jamison went for 22 points per game and 9 rebounds per game. And he isn't even listed.

Nice popularity contest someone is running here.

Ive been trying to get that point across, but it really is just a popularity contest

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 03:32 PM
Better than(In no order)

Duncan
Garnett
Nowitzki
Bosh
Amare
Boozer
Aldridge
Lewis
West
Gasol
Horford
Diaw
Millsap

Wow this is the stupidest list of top PF's I might ever lay my eyes on, You dont even have Jamison in a top 13 let alone it is obvious he should be in the top 8 atleast, Horford is a C

tbone2171
07-15-2009, 03:33 PM
Ive been trying to get that point across, but it really is just a popularity contest

KG brings so much more intangibles than Jamison

KaganRS
07-15-2009, 03:37 PM
I'm going to give the edge to Garnett....Nowitzki doesn't equal Garnett's defensive output

AntiG
07-15-2009, 03:38 PM
Ive been trying to get that point across, but it really is just a popularity contest

while not in the top 2 for sure (can't be anyone BUT Duncan and KG)... he definitely should be in the next poll.

KaganRS
07-15-2009, 03:40 PM
Wow this is the stupidest list of top PF's I might ever lay my eyes on, You dont even have Jamison in a top 13 let alone it is obvious he should be in the top 8 atleast, Horford is a C

You're right man , Jamison doesn't get any love at all, so unorthodox with his offensive moves , but still awesome. I think Horford is a PF though , Pachulia is the center ?

Raph12
07-15-2009, 03:50 PM
KG on the raptors averages 23 and 10 easily..

well than that would make them the same lol, ye I know that KG plays better defense, but to say he'll get 23 and 10 is speculating if he has a season like last year (injury-struck) he will NOT be a 23 and 10 guy on any team and Bosh is still improving and KG is on the decline idk I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens next year

dre1990
07-15-2009, 04:04 PM
for me is Dirk Nowitzki. People dont relize how good of season he had last year.

shonk688
07-15-2009, 04:08 PM
Dirk.

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-15-2009, 04:12 PM
Dirk The Clerk

Raps18-19 Champ
07-15-2009, 04:15 PM
Wow this is the stupidest list of top PF's I might ever lay my eyes on, You dont even have Jamison in a top 13 let alone it is obvious he should be in the top 8 atleast, Horford is a C

Im stupid because I FORGOT Jamison on my list.

I never knew making mistakes were stupid.

I was trying to remember as much PF from my head.

and Horford is suppose to be a PF. Their new lineup is

Zaza
Horford
Smith
Johnson
Bibby

Only reason he was playing C because of Williams.

dtmagnet
07-15-2009, 04:16 PM
Bosh IMO, KG is on the downturn but is still a good defender.

danidin
07-15-2009, 04:19 PM
Are you serious ?!
compare CB to KG???

Bosh have better mid-range shot. nothing more...

EL HEAT
07-15-2009, 04:20 PM
Kg

JuliusCaesar
07-15-2009, 04:20 PM
Do you guys think KG is the 2nd best pf in the nba b/c he gets on his knees during a game and barks at a rookie who plays 5 min a game in portland guard Bayless?

What kind of grown man gets on his knees and barks....And to top it off he had nothing to do with the play.

Word of advice to ty lawson. Just hope you don't get in the game this year vs. KG, b/c he'll attack you, seeing as you'll be the smallest rookie pg who barely plays.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-15-2009, 04:22 PM
No way is Bosh or Gasol better than KG.

I am not a fan of KG and I hate his attitude but you have to respect a man's game.

mrblisterdundee
07-15-2009, 05:27 PM
Kevin Garnett is psychologically dominant. In terms of sheer physical dominance at the power forward position, Amare Stoudemire is the number one beast. It's his build and experience playing center. The other guys on this list are better shooters, and one (Tim Duncan) is more consistent than the rest. He's number one because he's put up 20 and 10 since he first set foot on an NBA basketball court. Kevin Garnett won second because he's the puppet master.

ManRam
07-15-2009, 05:50 PM
Do you guys think KG is the 2nd best pf in the nba b/c he gets on his knees during a game and barks at a rookie who plays 5 min a game in portland guard Bayless?

What kind of grown man gets on his knees and barks....And to top it off he had nothing to do with the play.

Word of advice to ty lawson. Just hope you don't get in the game this year vs. KG, b/c he'll attack you, seeing as you'll be the smallest rookie pg who barely plays.

No. I voted for him because he is the best defender of the bunch, his offensive game really has no weaknesses, he gives 150% night in and night out, he's a winner, he's a leader, his entire game has no real weakness. Numbers, schumbers...KG does more than any other PF not named Duncan in the game.

JJ81
07-15-2009, 05:53 PM
Pau Gasol 8th? lmao.

b_rad23
07-15-2009, 05:53 PM
Tim Duncan
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Garnett
Pau Gasol
Amare Stoudemire
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Al Horford
David West
Lamarcus Aldridge
Antawn Jamison

All guys that are unquestionably better than Lamar Odom. Definently more consistent. Definently guys who if put on those players teams would start in front of Odom.

If you can tell me a single player I just listed that their team would prefer Odom over, go ahead.

If you think Horford is "unquestionably" better than Odom, then I don't know what to tell you.


I would also rather have Zack Randolph over Odom and especially Al Jefferson, Technically Al is a PF,

No, technically a center. If you play center, you're technically, officially, realistically and actually a center. End of discussion.

D-Will4Prez
07-15-2009, 05:55 PM
Boozer > Gasol

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 06:18 PM
while not in the top 2 for sure (can't be anyone BUT Duncan and KG)... he definitely should be in the next poll.

Ya i was not saying he is top2 in the NBA, He is better than david west IMO and west was in the poll from the beginning, Jamison should have been in the poll if you put 7 or 8 PF's in their

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 06:20 PM
You're right man , Jamison doesn't get any love at all, so unorthodox with his offensive moves , but still awesome. I think Horford is a PF though , Pachulia is the center ?

Pachulia really wasnt starting last year, he only started when Horford went down, they usually had josh smith at PF and horford at C.

OJMAYO32MVP!
07-15-2009, 06:22 PM
easy, gasol... kg is too old now he always injured... pau is like a point center.....gasol should actually be #1 tho, tim duncans overrated

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 06:23 PM
Im stupid because I FORGOT Jamison on my list.

I never knew making mistakes were stupid.

I was trying to remember as much PF from my head.

and Horford is suppose to be a PF. Their new lineup is

Zaza
Horford
Smith
Johnson
Bibby

Only reason he was playing C because of Williams.

well i just didnt understand then how you would forget jamison over half the guys on that list, and horford has been a PF all last year, maybe he switches over to PF thats fine i was just confused how you leave jamison off of a list of 13 PF :confused:

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 06:25 PM
Are you serious ?!
compare CB to KG???

Bosh have better mid-range shot. nothing more...

and more blocks and more ppg and more rpg, need i go on???

Raps18-19 Champ
07-15-2009, 06:26 PM
well i just didnt understand then how you would forget jamison over half the guys on that list, and horford has been a PF all last year, maybe he switches over to PF thats fine i was just confused how you leave jamison off of a list of 13 PF :confused:

I was trying to remember as much as I can. I was looking for good prospects and All Stars

I forgot a lot of guys. Brand and other guys should be there.

JWO35
07-15-2009, 06:30 PM
Chris Bosh > Insert any PF here

danidin
07-15-2009, 06:42 PM
and more blocks and more ppg and more rpg, need i go on???

do you really have seen KG playing?

too much stats i guess...

Toadman
07-15-2009, 06:47 PM
Dirk is not in the top 4 or 5. How far out does he play? He's like Rashard Lewis & plays too far out on the perimeter.

theimortalone
07-15-2009, 06:55 PM
Easily Kevin Garnett.

cmellofan15
07-15-2009, 07:15 PM
Dirk got more love in the other thread than this, not more votes thought :shrug: Went with him again though

skinsfan4life80
07-15-2009, 10:46 PM
Does Gasol have that many family members on here?

Unruly Fan
07-15-2009, 11:07 PM
Does Gasol have that many family members on here?LMFAO thats RACIST!