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true_superman23
07-06-2009, 10:02 AM
Ranking the Best Starting Lineups so far...

#1 Boston

Rondo
Ray Allen
Pierce
Garnett
Rasheed Wallace/Perkins

6- Perkins/Rasheed/G. Hill (If they land him)

#1 LA Lakers

Fisher
Kobe
Artest
Pau Gasol
Bynum

6- Odom (If they keep him)

#3 Orlando

Jameer Nelson
Vince Carter
Michael Pietrus
Rashard Lewis
Dwight Howard

6- JJ Reddick

#4 San Antonio

Tony Parker
Roger Mason Jr.
Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Matt Bonner

6- Ginobili

#5 Denver

Chauncey Billups
JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony
Kenyon Martin
Nene

6- Birdman/Dahntay Jones (If they keep them)

thepaul
07-06-2009, 10:04 AM
Switch #1 and #2

DCB/LAL
07-06-2009, 10:04 AM
Ranking the Best Starting Lineups so far...

#1 Boston

Rondo
Ray Allen
Pierce
Garnett
Rasheed Wallace

6- Perkins

#2 LA Lakers

Fisher
Kobe
Artest
Pau Gasol
Bynum

6- Odom (If they keep him)

#3 Orlando

Jameer Nelson
Michael Pietrus
Vince Carter
Rashard Lewis
Dwight Howard

6- JJ Redick

#4 San Antonio

Tony Parker
Ginobili
Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Matt Bonner

6- Michael Finley

#5 Denver

Chauncey Billups
Dahntay Jones (If they keep him)
Carmelo Anthony
Kenyon Martin
Nene

6- JR Smith

sheed is not starting hes the 6th man for them ok i had to edit because not sure if any of the bolded names are starters? i dont think so

JaySmoke
07-06-2009, 10:05 AM
denver already said JR was starting not coming off the bench next year
also vinces main position is SG.. he will play SG in ORL theyve already said it while lewis will play SF.. why do u think they are looking for a PF...:rolleyes:
and perkins is a true C... not wallace
and i think ginobli is a sixth man.. correct me if im wrong - mason is the starter now

Macken
07-06-2009, 10:06 AM
yeah i dont see sheed starting.. he will come off the bench and share minutes with Perkins...

but i see the Lakers having the best starting 5.

true_superman23
07-06-2009, 10:07 AM
I think they'll start Sheed over Perkins, he's better offensively and defensively. And I think they're fighting for Grant Hill, who'd take the 6th man spot.

Boston/Lakers they're close, I'd tie them at 1 if anything.

JaySmoke
07-06-2009, 10:07 AM
Switch #1 and #2

lol every foreign bball fan likes the laker :laugh2:

true_superman23
07-06-2009, 10:09 AM
Ok so Birdman (If they keep him) as 6th man for Denver?
Pietrus off the Bench, does Orlando have no other bigss??
Still can't see Rasheed coming off the bench :eyebrow:

CELTICS4LYFE
07-06-2009, 10:09 AM
I think they'll start Sheed over Perkins, he's better offensively and defensively. And I think they're fighting for Grant Hill, who'd take the 6th man spot.

Boston/Lakers they're close, I'd tie them at 1 if anything.

i agree but perk is starting

S-Dot
07-06-2009, 10:11 AM
lakers, but boston isnt far behind

DCB/LAL
07-06-2009, 10:11 AM
i think its mason who'll start instead of ginobili for the spurs if im not mistaken?

JaySmoke
07-06-2009, 10:12 AM
Ok so Birdman (If they keep him) as 6th man for Denver?
Pietrus off the Bench, does Orlando have no other bigss??
Still can't see Rasheed coming off the bench :eyebrow:

yes vince is a true SG swingman.. pietrus will be 6th man

true_superman23
07-06-2009, 10:13 AM
What's the next best starting lineup? Tough call...

New Orleans? Portland? Dallas? Cleveland?

I'd say Washington, a healthy Washington

Arenas
Foye
Butler
Jamison
Haywood

6- Mike Miller/Deshawn Stevenson/Nick Young

true_superman23
07-06-2009, 10:17 AM
The clippers can prolly do some damage too YIKES

Baron Davis
Q Richardson
Ricky Davis
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

6- Marcus Camby/Al Thornton

thepaul
07-06-2009, 10:19 AM
lol every foreign bball fan likes the laker :laugh2:

i'm a longtime laker fan, since early 80s...it was magic vs Larry... I made my choice! I love that team and the way the lakers played the game, just amazing!

faridk89
07-06-2009, 10:23 AM
raptors are pretty good to, dont count em out

calderon
derozan
turk
bosh
bargs

JaySmoke
07-06-2009, 10:38 AM
The clippers can prolly do some damage too YIKES

Baron Davis
Q Richardson
Ricky Davis
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

6- Marcus Camby/Al Thornton

:laugh: i stopped reading at ricky davis :pity: q rich? he wont start :laugh2:
how can anyone take you seriously

clippers and damage shouldnt be in the same sentence

S-Dot
07-06-2009, 10:38 AM
raptors are pretty good to, dont count em out

calderon
derozan
turk
bosh
bargs

this must be a raptors fan

thepaul
07-06-2009, 10:40 AM
this must be a raptors fan

Yeah :p

JaySmoke
07-06-2009, 10:41 AM
yep turk is there for the money and was a product
calderon is average
derozan is a rookie
bosh will be gone
raptors shouldnt be here

Devils05
07-06-2009, 10:47 AM
The clippers can prolly do some damage too YIKES

Baron Davis
Q Richardson
Ricky Davis
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

6- Marcus Camby/Al ThorntonAt least put the right lineup out there

Baron Davis
Eric Gordon
Al Thornton
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

6- Marcus Camby

Mile High Champ
07-06-2009, 10:56 AM
I like the raptors starters over the nuggets..

LAKERRS24
07-06-2009, 11:18 AM
i'm laker fan, but i can say tottaly objective, that lakers are #1 right now, celtics not far behind at #2, orlando #3, SA #4....

bostncelts34
07-06-2009, 11:38 AM
I think they'll start Sheed over Perkins, he's better offensively and defensively. And I think they're fighting for Grant Hill, who'd take the 6th man spot.

Boston/Lakers they're close, I'd tie them at 1 if anything.

In absolutely no way, is sheed better than perk defensively. Perk is one of the best defensive centers in the league, hands down.


as for the question...

1. Boston (arguably 4 all stars) + Perk and sheed as 6th

2. Lakers (they got the MVP,one of the best defenders in the league, and gasol)

3.Orlando (I think they downgraded with VC instead of turk IMO, but still have a all star studded lineup)

4.SA (crazy offensive firepower in the starting lineup) + ginobli

5. Denver ( the front court of Martin and Nene doesnt comapre to any of these other teams front courts)



Honorable mention

On paper, washington looks scary.

Arenas
Foye/Miller
Butler
Jamison
Haywood

Gibby23
07-06-2009, 11:40 AM
In absolutely no way, is sheed better than perk defensively. Perk is one of the best defensive centers in the league, hands down.


as for the question...

1. Boston (arguably 4 all stars) + Perk and sheed as 6th

2. Lakers (they got the MVP,one of the best defenders in the league, and gasol)

3.Orlando (I think they downgraded with VC instead of turk IMO, but still have a all star studded lineup)

4.SA (crazy offensive firepower in the starting lineup) + ginobli

5. Denver ( the front court of Martin and Nene doesnt comapre to any of these other teams front courts)



Honorable mention

On paper, washington looks scary.

Arenas
Foye/Miller
Butler
Jamison
Haywood


2 of the best defenders in the league.:)

Ray is not really All Star material anymore and Rondo has never made it.

LAKERRS24
07-06-2009, 11:46 AM
2 of the best defenders in the league.:)

Ray is not really All Star material anymore and Rondo has never made it.

Nobody mentions Odom??? (he probably will sign)

bostncelts34
07-06-2009, 11:47 AM
2 of the best defenders in the league.:)

Ray is not really All Star material anymore and Rondo has never made it.

But he still made it lol.ALso, just because you dont make the team, doesn't mean you arent "all star" material. You know if rondo keeps playing the way he did during the playoffs, he will easily be an all star. This is why i said ARGUABLY. lo

LAKERRS24
07-06-2009, 11:53 AM
Yes Rondo is all-star material thanks to great ball-handling, passing and less turnovers. But so is Odom (not sure if he made Allstar team). So we have unarguably 4 all-stars.

Gibby23
07-06-2009, 12:01 PM
But he still made it lol.ALso, just because you dont make the team, doesn't mean you arent "all star" material. You know if rondo keeps playing the way he did during the playoffs, he will easily be an all star. This is why i said ARGUABLY. lo

Ok then LA has 5 guys that are "All Star" material in Kobe (lock), Gasol (all star), Artest (Probabbly make it since he is in LA), Bynum (Chances just went up with Yao out), Odom (Plays like an All Star sometimes).

See we can all play that game. The Spurs have 4 guys also, the Magic have 4 guys that can make it, and the Cavs have 3 guys.

ertanozgur
07-06-2009, 12:05 PM
i think denver is better than orlando

mrblisterdundee
07-06-2009, 12:05 PM
I don't know how anybody can rate the starting Celtics line-up as better than the new Los Angeles line-up. If anything, Boston's line-up is third behind Orlando. Dwight Howard is as valuable as Wallace and Perkins. Carter is better than Allen. Jameer is just as good as Rondo, if not better. The only saving grace for the Celtics is Pierce and Garnett.

true_superman23
07-06-2009, 12:19 PM
No to the guys who want the Raptors starting lineup in the top 10. I'm a raps fan, but I don't put them in the same category in terms of an effective starting 5 (on paper). Maybe if they kept Marion.

To the guy who said Perkins is a better defender than Rasheed HANDS DOWN???? LOL! Just cuz rasheed got raped by Tim Duncan year after year, still doesn't take away that he's one of the grimiest defenders in the NBA. It's not just a matter of opinion, check the stats.

Sorry to all the Celtics/Lakers fans I have upset LOL. The best I could do was tie them at #1, although Lakers lineup minus Odom is still as good as the Celtics.

KW93KB24
07-06-2009, 12:20 PM
LAKERS should be first

bostncelts34
07-06-2009, 12:22 PM
Ok then LA has 5 guys that are "All Star" material in Kobe (lock), Gasol (all star), Artest (Probabbly make it since he is in LA), Bynum (Chances just went up with Yao out), Odom (Plays like an All Star sometimes).

See we can all play that game. The Spurs have 4 guys also, the Magic have 4 guys that can make it, and the Cavs have 3 guys.

diffrence is, boston HAS 3 all stars in Allen, Pierce, KG. Rondo is obviously on the verge of it. La has 2? And they dont even have odom so i dont know why your using him. Also, bynum hasnt proved anything to be even considered all star material.

true_superman23
07-06-2009, 12:25 PM
Cavs have 2 and a half all stars. Mo Williams still doesn't bring the fire for me. Unless you're talking about Z LOL

b_rad23
07-06-2009, 12:29 PM
Ok then LA has 5 guys that are "All Star" material in Kobe (lock), Gasol (all star), Artest (Probabbly make it since he is in LA), Bynum (Chances just went up with Yao out), Odom (Plays like an All Star sometimes).

See we can all play that game. The Spurs have 4 guys also, the Magic have 4 guys that can make it, and the Cavs have 3 guys.

If you're going to include Bynum, you have to include everyone in the top 6 for the Celtics IMO.


Cavs have 2 and a half all stars. Mo Williams still doesn't bring the fire for me. Unless you're talking about Z LOL

He was an all-star last year. That's not really debatable.

bostncelts34
07-06-2009, 12:29 PM
I don't know how anybody can rate the starting Celtics line-up as better than the new Los Angeles line-up. If anything, Boston's line-up is third behind Orlando. Dwight Howard is as valuable as Wallace and Perkins. Carter is better than Allen. Jameer is just as good as Rondo, if not better. The only saving grace for the Celtics is Pierce and Garnett.


Nelson = rondo


Carter and Allen isnt as lopsided as you think, they bring different aspects to the game, both can be deadly scorers and both are aging.

Pietrus <<<<<<<<<<< Pierce

Lewis << KG

Howard >>> Perkins (not as lopsided as you think either, Perkins played howard the best of any one in the league during the playoff series)


i know this is starting 5 but..

Benchs: Sheed, house, (hill?)>>>> reddick.???

nsadoru2
07-06-2009, 12:45 PM
Lakers #1 because they earn that right by winning a championship. But Boston is a close 2nd.

Grand Master B
07-06-2009, 12:47 PM
Stop putting Hill as a Celtic! he is not even close to being signed!

spidurx21
07-06-2009, 12:48 PM
Yeah I would say the Lakers are on top

DreamShaker
07-06-2009, 12:50 PM
The Lakers on paper...but they are all just on paper now...

Gibby23
07-06-2009, 12:54 PM
diffrence is, boston HAS 3 all stars in Allen, Pierce, KG. Rondo is obviously on the verge of it. La has 2? And they dont even have odom so i dont know why your using him. Also, bynum hasnt proved anything to be even considered all star material.

Ron Artest has been an All Star in 2004, and right now he is a better player than Ray Allen. So that is 3 all stars.

Giants-49ers-Ws
07-06-2009, 12:59 PM
Warriors

Ellis
Azubuike
Jackson
Randolph
Biedrins

6: Curry/Morrow/Maggette/Turiaf

JordansBulls
07-06-2009, 01:00 PM
Cleveland should be in the mix easily.

DCSportsIsPain
07-06-2009, 01:39 PM
People are actually using all star voting to determine who is better?
No wonder very few people take these arguments seriously.

true_superman23
07-06-2009, 02:20 PM
Should've added a poll....

The idea was supposed to be best teams on paper. And I think both Celtics/Lakers fan and myself would agree Boston/LA is #1. Who's over the top it's hard to tell, but best team on paper MINUS injuries MINUS players at their primes.

Fisher < Rondo ?
Kobe > Ray
Artest < Pierce
Gasol < Garnett
Bynum > Perkins

Odom > Rasheed

PPL can argue either way but in the end theyre both evenly dangerous.

dre1990
07-06-2009, 02:31 PM
PG: Fish
SG: KB24
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Pau Gasol
C: Andrew Bynum

and if Kobe, Ron, Pau, or Drew get hurt, you have Lamar in their. best lineup followed by Boston and the spurs (manu basically starts)

MVPedroia
07-06-2009, 02:46 PM
Celtics then Lakers

bostncelts34
07-06-2009, 03:16 PM
PG: Fish
SG: KB24
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Pau Gasol
C: Andrew Bynum

and if Kobe, Ron, Pau, or Drew get hurt, you have Lamar in their. best lineup followed by Boston and the spurs (manu basically starts)


why do people keep saying Lamar? he is a FA. not a laker. As of right now, the lakers 6th men are sasha, farmar and walton lol

BoltLakerPadre
07-06-2009, 04:26 PM
Lakers are better than the celtics. I'd even say the Spurs have a chance to have a better line up than the celtics.

And of course when it comes to actually playing the games, I have a feeling two teams from the east with young superstars will stay healthier and play better than the old celtics.

mikantsass
07-06-2009, 04:29 PM
#1 Celtics
#2 Lakers

Rondo is better than Fisher
Kobe is better than Ray Ray
Pierce is better than Artest
KG is better than Pau
Perk and Bynum are equal

Nod goes to the Celtics

plpfctn
07-06-2009, 04:34 PM
1. Lakers
2. Magic
3 Celtics
4. Cavs
5. Spurs

plpfctn
07-06-2009, 04:36 PM
#1 Celtics
#2 Lakers

Rondo is better than Fisher
Kobe is better than Ray Ray
Pierce is better than Artest
KG is better than Pau
Perk and Bynum are equal

Nod goes to the Celtics


Fisher is equal to Rondo
Kobe is a BILLION TIMES BETTER THAN allen
Pierce is barely better than Artest
Garnett is barely better than Pau
Bynum is clearly better than Perkins.

It's the Lakers.

plpfctn
07-06-2009, 04:38 PM
Should've added a poll....

The idea was supposed to be best teams on paper. And I think both Celtics/Lakers fan and myself would agree Boston/LA is #1. Who's over the top it's hard to tell, but best team on paper MINUS injuries MINUS players at their primes.

Fisher < Rondo ?
Kobe > Ray
Artest < Pierce
Gasol < Garnett
Bynum > Perkins

Odom > Rasheed

PPL can argue either way but in the end theyre both evenly dangerous.

Rondo is overrated. He can't shoot worth beans. If Shannon Brown started for the Lakers, then i would give him the edge over rondo.

DCB/LAL
07-06-2009, 04:38 PM
why do people keep saying Lamar? he is a FA. not a laker. As of right now, the lakers 6th men are sasha, farmar and walton lol

Then why do you use Hill if he's not a Celtic! HAHAHA Funny

DCB/LAL
07-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Nelson = rondo


Carter and Allen isnt as lopsided as you think, they bring different aspects to the game, both can be deadly scorers and both are aging.

Pietrus <<<<<<<<<<< Pierce

Lewis << KG

Howard >>> Perkins (not as lopsided as you think either, Perkins played howard the best of any one in the league during the playoff series)


i know this is starting 5 but..

Benchs: Sheed, house, (hill?)>>>> reddick.???

Dont use Hill he isn't signed!! Yes i know i see the question mark so is this better??

1.Fisher
2.Kobe
3.Artest
4.Gasol
5.Bynum

6th man. Odom??

Gibby23
07-06-2009, 04:42 PM
#1 Celtics
#2 Lakers

Rondo is better than Fisher
Kobe is better than Ray Ray
Pierce is better than Artest
KG is better than Pau
Perk and Bynum are equal

Nod goes to the Celtics

If you go by the numbers:

Gasol 18.9 ppg and 9.6 rpg
Garnett: 15.8 ppg and 8.5 rpg

And you factor in Gasol is 4 years younger, I could argue that Gasol is the better player. It doesn't help that KG is also coming off knee surgery.

You might want to bring up KG's D. Look at the FG% for oposing PF's Pau has guarded in the playoffs and finals the last 2 years and it will show that his opponents FG% is well below their season AVG. This includes guys like Duncan, Boozer, and KG.

Grim Reaper
07-06-2009, 06:02 PM
Ranking the Best Starting Lineups so far...

#1 Boston

Rondo
Ray Allen
Pierce
Garnett
Rasheed Wallace/Perkins

6- Perkins/Rasheed/G. Hill (If they land him)

#1 LA Lakers

Fisher
Kobe
Artest
Pau Gasol
Bynum

6- Odom (If they keep him)

#3 Orlando

Jameer Nelson
Vince Carter
Michael Pietrus
Rashard Lewis
Dwight Howard

6- JJ Reddick

#4 San Antonio

Tony Parker
Roger Mason Jr.
Richard Jefferson
Tim Duncan
Matt Bonner

6- Ginobili

#5 Denver

Chauncey Billups
JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony
Kenyon Martin
Nene

6- Birdman/Dahntay Jones (If they keep them)


Danny Ainge already said Sheed was coming off the b ench. I don't understand why people keep insisting that he is going to be the Celtics starting C. He's not. Ainge said Sheed will play the 6th man role like Kevin McHale. You don't have to start to be effective. McHale was a 6th man his whole career and he's a Hall of Famer.

WoodbridgeSkins
07-06-2009, 06:04 PM
Wizards look great on paper. Need some D presence though.

dolfan720
07-06-2009, 06:53 PM
grizzles and wizards should be on there

Grizzles
Mike Conley
Oj Mayo
Rudy Gay
Zach Randolph
Marc gasol

6 Hashemm Thebet, Darell Aurther, Hakeem Warick

Wizards
Gilbert Arenus
Mike Miller
Caron Butler
Antwan Jamison
Brenden Haywood/Andray Blache

6 Randy Foye, Andray Blache, Javal Mcgee, and Nick Young

asandhu23
07-06-2009, 07:14 PM
Warriors

Ellis
Azubuike
Jackson
Randolph
Biedrins

6: Curry/Morrow/Maggette/Turiaf

way to rep our team, brother. i was gonna do that and was checking if someone else had done it already. :clap::clap::clap:

sargon21
07-06-2009, 08:10 PM
1. LA
2. San Antonio
3. Boston
4. Cleveland
5. Orlando
6. Denver

mikantsass
07-06-2009, 08:34 PM
Fisher is equal to Rondo
Kobe is a BILLION TIMES BETTER THAN allen
Pierce is barely better than Artest
Garnett is barely better than Pau
Bynum is clearly better than Perkins.

It's the Lakers.


Rondo is way better than Fisher and its not even close
Kobe is a BILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ANYONE IN THE LEAGUE NOT NAMED LEBRON
Pierce is way better than Artest
Garnett is clearly better than Pau
Bynum and Perk are equal.

Grim Reaper
07-06-2009, 08:35 PM
1. LA
2. San Antonio
3. Boston
4. Cleveland
5. Orlando
6. Denver

San Antonio #2? Don't know about that. Celtics are number one but the Lakers have a better bench which is why they are the 2 best teams in the NBA.

#1-Boston
#2-LA
#3-Orlando
#4-Cleveland
#5-Denver or San Antonio. Real close

Grim Reaper
07-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Rondo is way better than Fisher and its not even close
Kobe is a BILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ANYONE IN THE LEAGUE NOT NAMED LEBRON
Pierce is way better than Artest
Garnett is clearly better than Pau
Bynum and Perk are equal.

Yeah the Celtics got the Lakers at every position except SG. Lakers have the better bench but the Celtics have the better starting 5 easily.

EastCoastBaller
07-06-2009, 08:45 PM
The clippers can prolly do some damage too YIKES

Baron Davis
Q Richardson
Ricky Davis
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

6- Marcus Camby/Al Thornton

Eric Gordon>>>Q. Richardson

jkiddvc20
07-06-2009, 08:45 PM
Not the best but probably one of the worst are the Nets!

PG:Devin Harris
SG:Courtney Lee
SF:Chris Dogulas Roberts
PF:Yi Jianlian
C:Brook Lopez

You see how young that team is! Give them a couple of years and a few hopeful FA signings you will see!

yuns554
07-06-2009, 08:46 PM
If memphis gets iverson

Iverson
Mayo
Gay
Randolph
Gasol

thats a pretty darn good lineup there (if they get iverson)

yuns554
07-06-2009, 08:48 PM
Rondo is way better than Fisher and its not even close
Kobe is a BILLION TIMES BETTER THAN ANYONE IN THE LEAGUE NOT NAMED LEBRON
Pierce is way better than Artest
Garnett is clearly better than Pau
Bynum and Perk are equal.

Pierce is not WAY better than artest and garnett and pau are a lot closer than you think

BkOriginalOne
07-06-2009, 08:52 PM
LOL, NO CAVS!!!

I think Boston Will have to get Perkins in the starting lineup for many reasons.
He's younger, you don't want to break up the starting 5 that one the title, The Celtics had many issues last season including the lack of help from the bench.
If they sign and hill and Wallace then their bench gets a big boost.

A lineup that runs: Pruitt, Eddie House, Grant Hill, Davis/Powe, Rasheed Wallace looks a lot better and revelant with Sheed at the 5, as opposed to Perkins.
Coaches always want bench lineups where they can rest their whole starting 5 and still remain.
It also helps to have the option to throw 1/5 starters back in to boost the lineup.
Insert Rondo, Allen, KG or Pierce, into a bench rotation and the team on the floor will thrive.

DCB/LAL
07-06-2009, 08:56 PM
In absolutely no way, is sheed better than perk defensively. Perk is one of the best defensive centers in the league, hands down.


as for the question...

1. Boston (arguably 4 all stars) + Perk and sheed as 6th

2. Lakers (they got the MVP,one of the best defenders in the league, and gasol)

3.Orlando (I think they downgraded with VC instead of turk IMO, but still have a all star studded lineup)

4.SA (crazy offensive firepower in the starting lineup) + ginobli

5. Denver ( the front court of Martin and Nene doesnt comapre to any of these other teams front courts)



Honorable mention

On paper, washington looks scary.

Arenas
Foye/Miller
Butler
Jamison
Haywood

Damn so your telling me with 3 all-stars they couldn't win the championship??? Really?? WOW!!!!!:speechless:

tland22
07-06-2009, 09:11 PM
i'm laker fan, but i can say tottaly objective, that lakers are #1 right now, celtics not far behind at #2, orlando #3, SA #4....

In no way shape or form is the ORLANDO MAGIC ahead of the SAN ANTONIO SPURS. No Way.

Cali4rnia
07-06-2009, 09:15 PM
2 of the best defenders in the league.:)

Ray is not really All Star material anymore and Rondo has never made it.

i think he is talking about doc river lol :)

n83417
07-06-2009, 09:16 PM
andrew bynum sucks

nalej85
07-06-2009, 09:17 PM
The clippers can prolly do some damage too YIKES

Baron Davis
Q Richardson
Ricky Davis
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

6- Marcus Camby/Al Thornton


OK, 3 players out of the starting 5 can't shoot better than 38% from the field. One player hasn't proved himself, and the remaining one played a few games last season but is coming back from a major injury...I hope Clippers make a few trades/acquisitions....Call me crazy but I think they are actually gonna miss Zach Randolph.

Cali4rnia
07-06-2009, 09:19 PM
andrew bynum sucks

how does he sucks? he plays for the lakers n he is always at playboy mansion..

n83417
07-06-2009, 09:22 PM
his 6 points and 4 rebounds were key to the lakers success in the playoffs. theyre clearly better with him on the bench

ramansingh3
07-06-2009, 09:23 PM
yep turk is there for the money and was a product
calderon is average
derozan is a rookie
bosh will be gone
raptors shouldnt be here

Turk had said his choice came down to the city of toronto over portland, the money is only a difference of about 3 million. Turk was the most important piece to the magic getting to the finals, he was the only guy who could create for himself out on the perimeter. I like how you just right off and don't even bother to mention bargnani and how he is one of the biggest mismatches at the 5 spot who averaged roughly 20 ppg in the second half of the season when he was starting. Calderon is an ABOVE average point guard he is considered a borderline allstar, average point guards don't average 8.5 apg. So what if bosh goes doesn't mean he still isn't in the lineup for next year. I agree that the raptors lineup doesn't belong in the best starting lineups thread, but your assessment of the team is unknowledgeable.

BigDaddyKaine
07-06-2009, 09:26 PM
Boston fans will say boston
Laker fans will say lakers
both are really good but we should only argue who is #3 and below because the Lakers and Boston are 1 and 1a.

tland22
07-06-2009, 09:27 PM
The clippers in there? Lol. yea, on paper, clearly. Then maybe I should throw this out there...

The hornets have garbage for wing players....but...the combo of their PG, PF, and Center can hardly be matched anywhere in the NBA. They are desperate for a more consistent SG or SF that can legitimately start.

Chris Paul
Mo Pete/ Rasual Butler
Peja/ James Posey
David West
Tyson Chandler

i think this line-up sneeks into the top 10....No???? I would add that they are pretty likely to add hometown man Brandon Bass to back-up David West in FA...but i wont add it in there because it has not happened. Just as I am keeping Tyson in there because he hasnt been traded yet.

NYtilIdie
07-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Celtics have the best team on paper with that Rasheed signing now. If LA had a better PG they would be in 1st

*Superman*
07-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Nelson = rondo


Carter and Allen isnt as lopsided as you think, they bring different aspects to the game, both can be deadly scorers and both are aging.

Pietrus <<<<<<<<<<< Pierce

Lewis << KG

Howard >>> Perkins (not as lopsided as you think either, Perkins played howard the best of any one in the league during the playoff series)


i know this is starting 5 but..

Benchs: Sheed, house, (hill?)>>>> reddick.???

The way i see it.

Nelson>>>>>Rondo, can't even shoot.

Vince>>>>Allen, suks in playoffs, only shoot threes.(Your just making excuses by saying they bring "different aspects":rolleyes:)

Lewis<Pierce (Pierce is overall, Lew good 3 point shooter.)

No 4 yet for the Magic(Mcdyess?)<KG

Howard>>>Perkins.

Key bench players. Magic: MP, Ryan Anderson Boston: Sheed, House

Neither bench is done so yeah.

1. Lakers
2. Magic
3. Boston.

tland22
07-06-2009, 09:45 PM
we can argue Boston or LA all day long....lets talk the rest of the Top 10 line-ups/ rosters

Utahjazzfan18
07-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Well if the Jazz acquire Rip Hamilton for Boozer, I like our chances.

Williams
Hamilton
Brewer
Millsap
Okur

bench-Kirilenko, Korver, Miles, Koufos

I also think the Spurs will give the Lakers a run for their money in the West this year.

deavin_17
07-06-2009, 09:50 PM
I would switch 1 and 2. The Celtics are getting old. The Lakers are like the Yankees, whatever they need they will go out and get.

bignate14
07-06-2009, 09:52 PM
what about Sacramento hahaha:eyebrow::eyebrow::eyebrow::eyebrow::eyebrow :

static_inferno
07-06-2009, 09:53 PM
1. Lakers
2. Celtics
3. Cavaliers
4. Magic
5. Spurs

tland22
07-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Yea I would throw the JAZZ and HORNETS both into the top 10...

Grim Reaper
07-06-2009, 09:57 PM
1. Lakers
2. Celtics
3. Cavaliers
4. Magic
5. Spurs

Switch those top 2 around and you got it.
Rondo is better than Fisher
Kobe is better than Ray
Pierce is better than Artest
KG is better than Pau
Perk and Bynum is a push even though Perk has got the better of Bynum every time they played.

How do the Lakers have a better starting 5 than the Celtics? I just don't see it. They got a better bench but not a better starting 5.

*Superman*
07-06-2009, 10:02 PM
Switch those top 2 around and you got it.
Rondo is better than Fisher
Kobe is better than Ray
Pierce is better than Artest
KG is better than Pau
Perk and Bynum is a push even though Perk has got the better of Bynum every time they played.

How do the Lakers have a better starting 5 than the Celtics? I just don't see it. They got a better bench but not a better starting 5.

Fisher=Rondo if anything.

Kobe>Ray

Artest<Pierce(offensively, but has better D and some Offense)

Pau=KG(KG better at D, slightly better)

Perk>Bynum.

Eagles4Lyfe
07-06-2009, 10:05 PM
look at these guys not even mentioning the raptors in the top 6..Your joking right?? Our starting lineups killer right now Calderon Turkoglu Derozan Bargnani Bosh....Thats like third best i think lakers are first no matter what when you pair bryant with a big time star you know its an unstoppable team...I love it tho a raps lakers finals would be amazing

bolts4ever
07-06-2009, 10:07 PM
I am an HONEST LAKER FAN

1.) Fisher and RONDO(+2)- Rondo is not that much better!!! He CANT SHOOT but He is better.

2.) KOBe and ALLen- (kobe+ 100,000,000...)NOUGH SAID!!!! KOBE obviously!

3.) ARTest and PIERCE- (EVEN =)Pierce sliglthly better offensnse a little overatted!!! ARTEST much better defene. Neither is a superstar both are really good.

4.) PAU and KG-(+1 KG) A lot closer than much many they are the TWO MOST COMPLETE BIGS IN DA GAME!!! KG a little bit better on DEFFENSE.

5.) BYNUM and PERK - (BYNUM + 2million) look BYNUM is a POTENTIAL star and he can easily do everything PERK can do and HE'S a MMUUCH better offensive PlAYER. PERK Is a ROLE PLAYER at BEST and don't get me wrong he does it well.
When u talk of the best C's in da league BYNUM probably TOP 5!! PERK yeah I couldnt find h
im either!!!!

Gotta go to da. Benches
ODOM (probably) and SHEED- Odom is better right NOW!!
The rest
FARMAR, BROWN, POWELL, MORRISON, SASHA Vs. ?????? HOUSE and HILL(maybe)

GOTTA GO wit da LAKERS

*Superman*
07-06-2009, 10:12 PM
look at these guys not even mentioning the raptors in the top 6..Your joking right?? Our starting lineups killer right now Calderon Turkoglu Derozan Bargnani Bosh....Thats like third best i think lakers are first no matter what when you pair bryant with a big time star you know its an unstoppable team...I love it tho a raps lakers finals would be amazing

Your joking right.

Grim Reaper
07-06-2009, 10:20 PM
I am an HONEST LAKER FAN

1.) Fisher and RONDO(+2)- Rondo is not that much better!!! He CANT SHOOT but He is better.

2.) KOBe and ALLen- (kobe+ 100,000,000...)NOUGH SAID!!!! KOBE obviously!

3.) ARTest and PIERCE- (EVEN =)Pierce sliglthly better offensnse a little overatted!!! ARTEST much better defene. Neither is a superstar both are really good.

4.) PAU and KG-(+1 KG) A lot closer than much many they are the TWO MOST COMPLETE BIGS IN DA GAME!!! KG a little bit better on DEFFENSE.

5.) BYNUM and PERK - (BYNUM + 2million) look BYNUM is a POTENTIAL star and he can easily do everything PERK can do and HE'S a MMUUCH better offensive PlAYER. PERK Is a ROLE PLAYER at BEST and don't get me wrong he does it well.
When u talk of the best C's in da league BYNUM probably TOP 5!! PERK yeah I couldnt find h
im either!!!!

Gotta go to da. Benches
ODOM (probably) and SHEED- Odom is better right NOW!!
The rest
FARMAR, BROWN, POWELL, MORRISON, SASHA Vs. ?????? HOUSE and HILL(maybe)

GOTTA GO wit da LAKERS

Pierce and Artest is not even. Ask any coach in basketball or anyone who knows basketball who they would rather have. Pierce is a multiple All Star. That's not even close. Perk and Bynum is either equal or Perk is better. Perk is so much more consistent than Bynum. Bynum is injury prone and Perk always gets the better of him when they go head to head. That's either a push or Perk gets the slight nod. No way Bynum is better though. Bynum had one half of a pretty good season. That's it. One half of a good season. How is this guy better than Perk? Bynum has been in the league for 4 years and was so inconsistent then he played good for 30 plus games in one season and has been injured and very inconsistent ever since. Perk has been consistent the last 3 years. Bynum has potential but right now Perk is definitely better.

st3voness
07-06-2009, 10:39 PM
A healthy Washington.

Then, Dallas is they land Marion.

Kidd
Howard
Marion
Nowitzski
Gortat

Terry - 6MOTY

Tommyh1331
07-06-2009, 10:42 PM
If memphis gets iverson

Iverson
Mayo
Gay
Randolph
Gasol

thats a pretty darn good lineup there (if they get iverson)

lol you are funny...oh you're serious...awkward...anyways good luck getting number 1 pick next year!!:rolleyes:

Sophi127
07-06-2009, 10:43 PM
Should've added a poll....

The idea was supposed to be best teams on paper. And I think both Celtics/Lakers fan and myself would agree Boston/LA is #1. Who's over the top it's hard to tell, but best team on paper MINUS injuries MINUS players at their primes.

Fisher < Rondo ?
Kobe > Ray
Artest < Pierce
Gasol < Garnett
Bynum > Perkins

Odom > Rasheed

PPL can argue either way but in the end theyre both evenly dangerous.

Garnett over Gasol you must not know basketball. You cannot take garnett and his bum knee over Gasol.

Tommyh1331
07-06-2009, 10:44 PM
Your joking right.

I think he was serious...another Toronto fan overestimating Hedo!! His best year was 2 years ago and last year he was so inconsistent Toronto way overpayed and they will suffer for it!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap ::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Tommyh1331
07-06-2009, 10:45 PM
Garnett over Gasol you must not know basketball. You cannot take garnett and his bum knee over Gasol.

agree:smoking:

Sophi127
07-06-2009, 10:51 PM
andrew bynum sucks

So does ur mom, thats why im in love with her.:clap:

xBLAMEITON24x
07-06-2009, 10:58 PM
exchange 1 and 2 and were good we dont know if rasheed will even start

bolts4ever
07-06-2009, 11:01 PM
[QUOTE=Grim Reaper;10043812]Pierce and Artest is not even. Ask any coach in basketball or anyone who knows basketball who they would rather have. Pierce is a multiple All Star. That's not even close. Perk and Bynum is either equal or Perk is better. Perk is so much more consistent than Bynum. Bynum is injury prone and Perk always gets the better of him when they go head to head. That's either a push or Perk gets the slight nod. No way Bynum is better though. Bynum had one half of a pretty good season. That's it. One half of a good season. How is this guy better than Perk? Bynum has been in the league for 4 years and was so inconsistent then he played good for 30 plus games in one season and has been injured and very inconsistent ever since. Perk has been consistent the last 3 years. Bynum has potentia


I can take ur GrIPE ABOUT ARTEST and PIERCE u might have some good points I just think ARTEST is a little more effective on both ends. (My opinion)

BUT PERK EVEN or BETTER THAN BYNUM!!! No WAY!!

PERK- at the top of his game is ROLE PLAYER!!! that's what he is that's ALL HE WILL EVER BE!
He does it well don't get me wrong! He gets his 10 rebs and 6 pts. And .5 blks

Everyone knows BYNUM is going to b a star- yeah he's had some FREAK INJURIES!! But if judged off of his PERFORMANCE ON THE COURT! ITS NOT CLOSE!! He does those same things PERK does. GOOD D! REBS!! MORE POINTs! MORE BLOCKS= BETTER PLAYER

CAN U HONESTLY SAY PERK HAS A CHANCE to be a STAR!!! Think ABOUT IT!! YEAH ME NEITHER!!

Grim Reaper
07-06-2009, 11:17 PM
I can take ur GrIPE ABOUT ARTEST and PIERCE u might have some good points I just think ARTEST is a little more effective on both ends. (My opinion)

BUT PERK EVEN or BETTER THAN BYNUM!!! No WAY!!

PERK- at the top of his game is ROLE PLAYER!!! that's what he is that's ALL HE WILL EVER BE!
He does it well don't get me wrong! He gets his 10 rebs and 6 pts. And .5 blks

Everyone knows BYNUM is going to b a star- yeah he's had some FREAK INJURIES!! But if judged off of his PERFORMANCE ON THE COURT! ITS NOT CLOSE!! He does those same things PERK does. GOOD D! REBS!! MORE POINTs! MORE BLOCKS= BETTER PLAYER

CAN U HONESTLY SAY PERK HAS A CHANCE to be a STAR!!! Think ABOUT IT!! YEAH ME NEITHER!!

Bynum is so inconsistent. He had a good half of a season and has been inconsistent the rest of his 5 year career and, Perk destroys him when they go head to head. Perk will never make an All Star team and neither will Bynum but, Perk might make the All Defensive team and Bynum never will. The proof is in the pudding. Bynum is inconsistent and Perkins is not. I'd take Perkins without question.

gswlal
07-06-2009, 11:39 PM
Warriors
1.Curry
2.Ellis
3.Jackson
4.Randolph
5.A'mare

6.Maggete

Nuff said!

st3voness
07-06-2009, 11:40 PM
As a Dallas Maverick fan, Perkins is way better than Bynum. And Garnett is a little better than Gasol.

bolts4ever
07-06-2009, 11:48 PM
Bynum is so inconsistent. He had a good half of a season and has been inconsistent the rest of his 5 year career and, Perk destroys him when they go head to head. Perk will never make an All Star team and neither will Bynum but, Perk might make the All Defensive team and Bynum never will. The proof is in the pudding. Bynum is inconsistent and Perkins is not. I'd take Perkins without question.







WELL UR RIGHT on ONE THING!!!! PERK WILL NEVER B an ALLSTAR. But I gurantee U BYNUM STAYS HEALTHY HE WILL B an AllStar this year.

BYNUM was putting up 14ppg and 9 As the 3rd and 4th option.
Than the kid was averaging 25ppg 12rebs and 2 blks in da 5 or 6 games prior to his injury. He came back HE WASN'T 100% and still did a good job playin D a gainst MUCH BETTER COMPeTITION!! PERK DREAMS of PUTTING UP THOSE KIND OF NUMBERS!!!

PERK kills BYNUM when thay play eachother!!! "WE SHALL SEE MY FRIEND"

static_inferno
07-06-2009, 11:58 PM
Switch those top 2 around and you got it.
Rondo is better than Fisher
Kobe is better than Ray
Pierce is better than Artest
KG is better than Pau
Perk and Bynum is a push even though Perk has got the better of Bynum every time they played.

How do the Lakers have a better starting 5 than the Celtics? I just don't see it. They got a better bench but not a better starting 5.
being a Laker fan, obviously i prefer the Lakers over anyone, but i wouldn't have put Lakers at #1 if i didn't think it were true.

IMO Rondo is very overrated. Rondo is better than Fisher statistically, and i've been one to criticize Fisher for not playing defense, not making layups, and forcing up bad shots, but if these Finals and past playoffs prove anything, it's that Fisher comes through under pressure, and he's a proven winner. sure Rondo will do better than Fish overall in a 7 game series, but if it's less than two minutes in the game and the score is close, Fisher will prove time and time again to be one of the best in the clutch. also, Rondo has no jumpshot to speak of, so if you play off Rondo, giving him plenty of space to shoot as opposed to drive, you pretty much stop him.

i think everyone will agree with me that Kobe is better than Allen.

Pierce against Artest is a tough one. both have similar bodies and similar skill sets. Pierce is better at isolation and creating a shot for himself, while Artest is a better defender. though i hate the guy, i'll admit Pierce is better.

now this is where some people will call out my bias for being a Laker fan but i genuinely believe KG vs. Pau is a push. yes KG punked Pau in the Finals, but i think that actually helped Pau since he was labeled "Gasoft" and started hitting the gym. it was the first time he's ever worked out with weights Pau has said, and Laker fans noticed the improvement right away with more definition in his arms. i think working out has was the first step in helping Pau overcome the soft label. the next step was showing some intensity on the court, and he definitely showed it this past season, playoffs, and Finals. he played physical with Garnett in the regular season and was able to hold his own against Dwight in the Finals when they matched up. Pau also developed into quite the shotblocker. Garnett still has the edge on rebounds, but offensively Pau has so many moves that he can get a good shot off anytime he wants in the post. Garnett on the other hand relies mostly on jumpers and fading jumpers. also you got to account Garnett's age and his recent battle with injury.

Bynum, if he returns to his pre-injury state is better than Perkins. but as of now, taking the Bynum we've seen in the Finals, i've got to say it's another push. both are alike defensively, and Bynum has better post moves than Perkins.

of course this is just my opinion, and many will not agree. but that's the beauty of sports talk. i don't understand why fans have to be such *******s to each other instead of talking about sports in a civilized manner.

nba08
07-07-2009, 12:59 AM
Lakers vs Celtics

Dfish vs Rondo- Rondo is the obvious in the talent section but don't underestimates fish's importance to his team. his leadership has help the lakers win championships and guided a young jazz team to the west finals. pg rating R.R 8.5- D.F- 7.5

Kobe vs Allen - one of the best shooter's of all time vs one of the best players of all time. hmmmmmmmmmmm Reggie Miller was a great player but would rather i would rather have Michael Jordan. Allen=Miller:Kobe+Jordan Sg Rating KB24- 10- R.A -8.5

Paul Pierce Vs Ron Artest- Paul Pierce Will Have His Hands Full With Artest on both sides of the ball On offense he gonna have to be as crafty as ever due to the fact he wont have the strength advantage on Artest. On defense he actually needs to guard him due to artest shooting ability. Overall Pierce is the Better talent but Artest was Once the defensive player of the year. P.P-9 R.A-8

Pau Gasol vs KG- When Healthy Kg maybe are most versatile player in the league but it is noticeable that he has lost half a step. Gasol is in the prime of his Career and showed that he is not a soft player no more. (Defense on DH12, no easy task). Kg heart is amazing and gasol might have the smoothest moves in the post today. KG- 9 Pau-8.5

Perkins vs Bynum. AS I SAID WITH THE RONDO VS DFISH, Bynum is the obvious when it comes to talent, but perk provides toughness for the celtics and won't back down to anyone. Perk-6.5 Bynum-7

6th MAn
Sheed vs Odom (Most Likely to Return)- Sheed provides toughness and shooting but odom provides the key in basketball success, MATCHUPS. When on he is a match up nightmare and a top 30 talent in are league. SHeed -8 L.O- 8.5

BY the math they are they tied at 49.5 but i say the edge goes to the lakers cause at the end of the day when ever you have the best player on the court you have a chance

tland22
07-07-2009, 01:26 AM
we can argue Boston or LA all day long....lets talk the rest of the Top 10 line-ups/ rosters

tland22
07-07-2009, 01:28 AM
The hornets have garbage for wing players....but...the combo of their PG, PF, and Center can hardly be matched anywhere in the NBA. They are desperate for a more consistent SG or SF that can legitimately start.

Chris Paul
Mo Pete/ Rasual Butler
Peja/ James Posey
David West
Tyson Chandler

i think this line-up sneaks into the top 10....No???? I would add that they are pretty likely to add hometown man Brandon Bass to back-up David West in FA...but i wont add it in there because it has not happened. Just as I am keeping Tyson in there because he hasnt been traded yet.

I'd put the Jazz in the Top 10 rosters as well as N.O.

MVPedroia
07-07-2009, 11:03 AM
Garnett over Gasol you must not know basketball. You cannot take garnett and his bum knee over Gasol.

bum knee? It's called an injury Einstein. He will be fine. Gasol will NEVER be as good as KG.

LakeShow11
07-07-2009, 11:46 AM
im comparing best player vs best player, 2nd vs 2nd, etc...(assuming LO resigns)

1) Kobe > KG.... This may be the easiest to pick but at this point in their careers it isnt even close
2) Pau = Pierce.... Hardest decision... this years playoffs proved that pau is a force in the low post and i just feel that pierce has lost a step
3) Artest = Allen.... I think they are both very similar...one was a great defensive player one was a great offensive player. They are both a little past their prime but still very effective.
4) LO < Rondo.... They are both very inconsistent even though they both played well for most of the playoffs but i just think that Rondo will show up more often than LO
5) Bynum > Sheed.... I will take Bynum just because he is much younger and getting better while Sheed is getting worse...if Sheed can return to his 2004 form then id have to change this.
6) Fish < Perkins.... Fish can hit a big three but unless there important, hes not making alot of shots...Perkins is getting better in the post and is a good defensive presence.


Overall Lakers > Celtics

Having the best player in the world on your team will always make you better if the other team is comparable.

Sophi127
07-07-2009, 12:08 PM
bum knee? It's called an injury Einstein. He will be fine. Gasol will NEVER be as good as KG.

I called it a bum knee because its been widely reported that the knee was bothering him for the last couple of years, thus the reference to a bum knee idiot. This knee will still bothering him after the INJURY, thus it still will be a BUM KNEE.

Durant is hype
07-07-2009, 12:19 PM
Fisher is equal to Rondo
Kobe is a BILLION TIMES BETTER THAN allen
Pierce is barely better than Artest
Garnett is barely better than Pau
Bynum is clearly better than Perkins.

It's the Lakers.

I don't think a individual can get any more bias than this.

tland22
07-07-2009, 12:38 PM
okay you losers...i guess this is just a Celtics vs Lakers thread.... lol

pa_superstar
07-07-2009, 12:43 PM
Damn I wish the rockets were healthy

pg-aaron brooks
sg-mcgrady
sf-battier
pf-scola
c-yao

bench-lowry, landry, ariza

everyone saw what we did to the lakers without Yao and tmac. Too bad they can't stay on the court for a full season. Would be #1 if healthy. But potential and on paper don't mean nothing in the league.

Raph12
07-07-2009, 01:22 PM
I don't like LA because they beat Orlando and I don't really care for Boston because Magic eliminated them so there is no emotion for them but imo I still take LA over an old Boston team

1. LOS ANGELES LAKERS
PG - Derek Fisher - I understand he's a vet and a very well respected one at that, but they need a better PG, DF can play backup but get someone better (maybe Ricky Rubio lol Europe anyone?)
SG - Kobe Bryant - I don't need to say anything, best player in the league hands down
SF - Ron Artest - Best defensive player on the outside, but lacks all-around offensive skills
PF1 - Pau Gasol - He made this Laker team into the team they are today, best PF in the league last year besides Chris Bosh (Duncan's a center and KG was injured all season)
PF1A - Lamar Odom - Very versatile, a great passer and incredible length and ability to get to the rim. To me he's a difference-maker if he returns to LA
C - Andrew Bynum - Okay I'm not fond of this guy, he is always getting injured and when he's on the court he's in foul trouble, but if he can manage to stay on the court his size and raw skills are still a force to be reckoned with

2. BOSTON CELTICS
PG - Rajon Rondo - This guy is an amazing player at his best but can't manage to keep at that best and he's weak mentally, it isn't very hard to get into his head and once you do he plays a way that only Piston's fans wouldn't be afraid to watch
SG - Ray Allen - Arguably the best shooter of all time and not bad but not too good defensively
SF - Paul Pierce - A resilient player who will think he has a chance down 20 late in the fourth, relentless but no where near as good as he was 3-5 years ago offensively
PF - Kevin Garnett - Arguably the best PF of all-time I'd rank him 3rd or 4th after Tim Duncan, Charles Barkley and maybe Karl Malone. He plays with unmatched intensity but is a little to arrogant for his own good
C1 - Rasheed Wallace (if they start him, which they probably will not) - A ticking time-bomb, way beyond his prime, no where near as efficient and extremely weak-minded. Anything can and will set him off, a bad call, a shove from another player, a comment from a fan you name it and once he's off watch out he'll be in technical city not to mention he'll be driving on shut-down road where his game will implode and he will explode. Imo the last thing Boston needed was another character on this team and Sheed is the biggest cartoon in the NBA
C1A - Kendrick Perkins - A good defensive player without size for a center and barely any offensive ability, he's been a good guy for Boston because they don't need much offensive power but defensively, he is still undersized

Two years ago LA was without Bynum, Ariza was a non-factor and now they have more Finals exp under their belt and Phil Jackson will be returning. Plus on Boston 4 of their top 6 guys are over 30 and on the decline; Pierce 32, Garnett 33, Allen 34 and Wallace 35. Believe me age will play a factor, even if all of these guys can stay injury-free all season and playoffs, which they probably won't, possibly winning series against "Insert East's 5th, 6th, 7th or 8th team here, Cleveland and Orlando, which they may not even do, will take a HUGE toll on these 4 guys and they won't be near LA in terms of "fresh legs" and most of their guys won't be physcially ready to play another long series, therefore I say LA in 6

CELTICS4LYFE
07-07-2009, 01:41 PM
how is perkins undersized???

cowboyz180
07-07-2009, 01:54 PM
After the top 5 teams, i think the mavs would be right behind them (with some other teams) especially if they get shawn marion.
Starting lineup:
Jason Kidd
Josh Howard
Shawn Marion
Dirk Nowitzki
Marcin Gortat

agnine
07-07-2009, 02:21 PM
Paul Pierce is NOT better than Artest, Pierce aint even better than VC!
1. Lakers
2. Celtics

NOW, for 3rd, I have to say the Magic. Turk was good, but Vince is that much better. None of the best defenders in league WANT VC as their assignment, but will take Turk. After that, Spurs. Jefferson isn't the perimeter defender Bowen was (is?), but his offensive skills will open lanes and pull defenders, they just need a better center. Don't sleep on a healthy Jazz squad, or a well coached Grizzlies team.

juggla53
07-07-2009, 02:23 PM
I think they'll start Sheed over Perkins, he's better offensively and defensively. And I think they're fighting for Grant Hill, who'd take the 6th man spot.

Boston/Lakers they're close, I'd tie them at 1 if anything.


Sheed better then Perkins deffensivley? you should actully start watching basketball and stop going by who's got the bigger name because perkins is a much better deffensive player then sheed at this point in their careers

Lakersfan2483
07-07-2009, 02:29 PM
The Lakers have the best starting lineup in the business followed by Boston.

tp13baby
07-07-2009, 02:50 PM
birdman will not start in denver. he know it
but he will stay in denver i think.

tbomlad
07-07-2009, 02:55 PM
As soon as the Magic land their PF you'll need to move #3 up to #1.

tland22
07-07-2009, 04:25 PM
After the top 5 teams, i think the mavs would be right behind them (with some other teams) especially if they get shawn marion.
Starting lineup:
Jason Kidd
Josh Howard
Shawn Marion
Dirk Nowitzki
Marcin Gortat


I think the Hornets and the Jazz would be ahead of the Mavs line-up

CELTICS4LYFE
07-07-2009, 04:51 PM
Paul Pierce is NOT better than Artest, Pierce aint even better than VC!1. Lakers
2. Celtics

NOW, for 3rd, I have to say the Magic. Turk was good, but Vince is that much better. None of the best defenders in league WANT VC as their assignment, but will take Turk. After that, Spurs. Jefferson isn't the perimeter defender Bowen was (is?), but his offensive skills will open lanes and pull defenders, they just need a better center. Don't sleep on a healthy Jazz squad, or a well coached Grizzlies team.

lmao!!! anyone agree?? i dont think so

Im also not worried about them matching up, theyve seen plenty of each other earlier in their career when artest was a pacer, I remember a game when c's were inbounding n artest pulled paul's shorts down, pierce pulled them up caught the ball n wet a 3 in his face :D

ProdigyI
07-07-2009, 05:22 PM
The clippers can prolly do some damage too YIKES

Baron Davis
Q Richardson
Ricky Davis
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

6- Marcus Camby/Al Thornton

Your an idiot

Baron Davis
Eric Gordon
Al Thorton
Blake Griffin
Chris Kaman

NFLNBA
07-07-2009, 05:35 PM
There are some dangerous starting 5's right there!

It really is close with the Lakers and Boston, but i think Artest and AGE gives the Lakers a better starting 5. What a fun match-up though right?

Rondo - Fisher = Rondo is def the yonger better all-around player but i watched how the Lakers play him and they have Kobe play off of him because of his bad jumper and that really hurts the C's. Fisher hits so many big shots and you cant leave him open.

Allen - Kobe = Not much needs to be said here, but if Allen has a hot game like a 5-6 from 3 then it really helps the C's but on a nightly basis not even close

Pierce - Artest = This was by FAR the biggest mis-match the C's had last year in the Finals because Ariza was hurt and Pierce is just to much of a man for Walton. Now the Lakers have the Bigger SF, Pierce has more Offensivly but Artest has more Defensivly and Hustle, BEST MATCH-UP!

Garnett - Gasol = Garnett and Perkins def beat up on Gasol last year! Gasol did hit the gym and played a lot tougher this year. This is a great match-up next year with Bynum guarding Perkins. Gasol will be able to post Garnett at will and Garnett will be able to face-up Gasol. Another great match-up. We obviosly need to see if Garnett is healthy and if those older legs can take a injury like that and come back like the old Garnett

Perkins - Bynum - Bynum when healthy and thats a big WHEN lol is def the better all-around player. Perkins is a great defender he just doesnt have much of a offense. Bynum has both but we have to see if he comes back 100% and doesnt have anymore freak accidents.

Sheed - Odom - Odom is better all-around at there current age's. Sheed can hit the 3 and has that little fade-away jumper but i really like the young Powe guy and baby davis over sheed. Odom is such a mis-match for teams because he is a PF that can play the pg position. He is a great rebounder, good d, can beat all PF's off the dribble, back down all SF's and can hit the 3
Love Odom but the Lakers still need to sign him.

Rest Of bench

Lakers - Walton, Sasha, Farmer, Brown, Powell, Mbenga
Celtics - House, T.Allen, Walker, Moore, Davis

= Celtics NEED to keep Baby Davis! He was really there best guy off the bench with House. Powe is gone allready who i really liked. Celtics def have a bench prob and thats there biggest weakness.
Lakers bench is okay, Walton is a smart player, Farmer has flashes, Mbenga is nothing to talk about, There best bench player is that Shannon Brown!
Dude showed that he can be something special and still only 23

If the Celtics get Baby Davis back and pick up Grant hill then the Celtics will have the better bench


Still a lot of things could happen to these teams, Does Odom go back to LA, Does Baby Davis go back to the Celtics, Can Garnett get that knee back to 100%, Can Bynum ever get back to 100%?

If i had to pick the better starting 5 right now its the Lakers with Artest, if they kept Ariza it would have been the Celtics with the best starting unit

Lakers
Celtics
Spurs
Cavs
Magic

LA_Raiders
07-07-2009, 05:40 PM
Come on guys Sheed got nothing left in the tank (remember las season???)

#1 LA
#2 Orl
#3 Den
#4 Bos
#5 SA
#6 Clev
#7 Por
#8 NO
#9 Uth
#10 Dal

NFLNBA
07-07-2009, 05:41 PM
lmao!!! anyone agree?? i dont think so

Im also not worried about them matching up, theyve seen plenty of each other earlier in their career when artest was a pacer, I remember a game when c's were inbounding n artest pulled paul's shorts down, pierce pulled them up caught the ball n wet a 3 in his face :D


I think Pierce has a better shot, better passer
I think Artest has the better post game, better defense

I think they will have games where Artest wins the match-up and games where Pierce wins that match-up.

The only bad thing for the Celtics is Pierce crushed Luke Walton and the Lakers in the Finals last year because Pierce was a bully and was to strong for Walton and that with the Injury's to Bynum and Ariza gave the Celtics the Title. Pierce cant bully Artest, Artest is the stronger man so the biggest weakness the Lakers had against the Celtics just got washed away with the Artest signing

Celts437
07-07-2009, 05:49 PM
Lakers #1 because they earn that right by winning a championship. But Boston is a close 2nd.

Agreed, regardless of KG being out etc..The Lakers are the champs and IMO upgraded with Artest. They get the nudge, Boston right behind.

Celts437
07-07-2009, 06:01 PM
Paul Pierce is NOT better than Artest, Pierce aint even better than VC!
1. Lakers
2. Celtics

NOW, for 3rd, I have to say the Magic. Turk was good, but Vince is that much better. None of the best defenders in league WANT VC as their assignment, but will take Turk. After that, Spurs. Jefferson isn't the perimeter defender Bowen was (is?), but his offensive skills will open lanes and pull defenders, they just need a better center. Don't sleep on a healthy Jazz squad, or a well coached Grizzlies team.

Tell that to his Finals MVP trophy and his NBA Championship ring...neither Vince Carter or Artest can show you either...17 championships..and tons of Hall of Famers in the past for the Celtics...Go look at the record books. Pierce is top 3 or number 1 in many categories. You are pretty funny though thanks for the chuckle.

tland22
07-07-2009, 08:15 PM
double post

tland22
07-07-2009, 08:41 PM
Top 10 line-ups

#1 Boston or LA....who cares. Same.
#2 Boston or LA....too close to call.
#3 Spurs
#4 Orlando (4th at absolute best)
#5 Cavs or Denver...too close to call
#6 Cavs or Denver...same.
#7 NO
#8 Utah
#9 Portland
#10 Dallas

tland22
07-07-2009, 08:54 PM
Top 10 line-ups

#1 Boston or LA....who cares. Same.
#2 Boston or LA....too close to call.
#3 Spurs
#4 Orlando (4th at absolute best)
#5 Cavs or Denver...too close to call
#6 Cavs or Denver...same.
#7 NO
#8 Utah
#9 Portland
#10 Dallas

jrodmesche
07-08-2009, 11:45 PM
bostons better then the lakers
**** the lakers

AMC31
07-08-2009, 11:52 PM
Cavs:
PG-Mo
SG-Parker
SF-LeBron
PF-Frye(possibly)
C-Shaq
off the bench - Delonte, Varejao, and Z