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Boston Faithful
07-02-2009, 03:00 AM
Just how good are they?

40 wins? 45 wins? 50 wins?

GoatMilk
07-02-2009, 03:00 AM
500 team

Lakers4ItAll
07-02-2009, 03:03 AM
Not that much better than last year IMO, way to waste there $$$

asandhu23
07-02-2009, 03:09 AM
better...

KH12
07-02-2009, 03:15 AM
Not as good as people will think. As a Bulls fan, I'm glad they paid Ben and Charlie the big bucks.

ellesmeire
07-02-2009, 03:18 AM
lets see they lost rasheed wallace and replaced him w/ a player w/ similar production, and there is no way they can give gordon enough time w/ stuckey and rip, .500 team 7 or 8 seed at best

DenverNBAFan
07-02-2009, 03:20 AM
Not a Conference Finals Contender, but Better Than Last Year.

cmellofan15
07-02-2009, 03:20 AM
min. 33 wins max. 43 wins

cmellofan15
07-02-2009, 03:22 AM
lets see they lost rasheed wallace and replaced him w/ a player w/ similar production, and there is no way they can give gordon enough time w/ stuckey and rip, .500 team 7 or 8 seed at best

lol since when have the Eastern Conference teams at 7 & 8 been .500

ThEaIrUpThErE
07-02-2009, 03:24 AM
idk if their better, people will argue but i think overall in the future they will be better, because they are a relatively young team. i predict they will be a lottery team next year, with a team like the pacers or bobcats replacing them in the playoffs

hoop talk
07-02-2009, 03:26 AM
Not that much better than last year IMO, way to waste there $$$

They still need a coach with a new philosophy they have to adjust to. This isn't a power shifter move like shaq/vince. They still have work to do.
I don't see much difference

dee279
07-02-2009, 03:30 AM
Well they better then they were without them.

abe_froman
07-02-2009, 03:31 AM
same result as last year,playoffs team(7 or 8 seed)..bounced in the first round to little fanfare

Tommyh1331
07-02-2009, 03:51 AM
Barely 40 wins they are a small team now, they play in a tough divison...they overpaid for both players

dgreat5000
07-02-2009, 08:22 AM
Guards: Gordon, Stuckey, Bynum, Hamilton,
Forwards: Daye, Prince, Maxiel.

They have way too many back court players! Prince Rip Stuckey will demand PT, Gordon may be a 6th man, but 11 mill. For a 6th is way too much! Daye needs PT for his decvelopment...it will be interesting

prodigy
07-02-2009, 08:31 AM
C- ?
PF- charlie V
SF- prince
SG- gordon
PG- stuckey

They lose defense, none of those guys can play defense other then prince. Gordon is a ball hog, he just jacks everything he catches up. They have no center, and hamilton will need to be traded. He won't be a backup again.

37-40 wins

mikantsass
07-02-2009, 08:39 AM
I think they will end up trading Rip for a forward... Still i think they are a 37-43 win team next year.

S-Dot
07-02-2009, 08:39 AM
6 or 7th seed in east...no center

randomness
07-02-2009, 09:09 AM
08-09 lineup:

Maxiell, Wallace, Prince, Iverson, Stuckey
6th man: Hamilton

current lineup:

FA, Villanueva, Prince, Gordon, Stuckey
6th man: Hamilton

If you guys trade Hamilton for a big man.. you will at least be in the playoffs..

Big Men options:

(no particular order)
1.Tyson Chandler
2.Brad Miller
3.Zydrunas Ilgauskas
4.Samuel Dalembert
5.Marcus Camby
6.Erick Dampier
7.Nene
8.Bogut
9.Okafor
10.Murphy


Now.. which big man do you want? And would they accept it if it were straight up for Hamilton? Well.. let's think about the chances:

1. 15%
Because they are trying to save money and Chandler has a shorter and less paid contract. Also, they got enough wings.
2. 20%
I think they're gonna use his expiring for free agents in 2010, but with Gordon gone, they could think about it...
3. 70%
They already got Shaq, and if they had Hamilton to the team, they can really be a championship contender, but they might want to keep him for his expiring and role on the bench.. so I don't know.
4. 5%
They got lots of wings and barely and big men. They want a big men in return if they are trading Dalembert.
5. 10%
They just saved 5m from the Randolph trade so money isn't an option, but they got Gordon, and Hamilton doesn't like being on the bench..
6. 5%
They got Howard and Terry, so why do they need Hamilton?
7. 20%
If they sign a big man this off-season and let JR Smith go, Hamilton can be their new SG.. it's an option..
8. 5%
They got Redd.. unless they finally don't believe in him anymore or unless if they trade him.
9. 10%
With Bell probably leaving in 2010, trading Okafor for Hamilton can be possible, but they just drafted Henderson so probably not..
10. 50%
They need a SG because they didn't resign Daniels... Hamilton can help with his veteran experience and if they believe in Hibbert or plan to sign a big man this off-season, this can be possible.

Thoughts?

JWO35
07-02-2009, 09:12 AM
Better than they was before, Pistons only need a Center now....

MiamiHeat
07-02-2009, 09:18 AM
I think they will be worse than last season

primetime10
07-02-2009, 09:24 AM
theres still alot of questions. coach has to be addressed first. if they bring in a guy with little experience and who isnt much of an authoritarian, i think this team may be doomed. gordon has an attitude that literally radiates through the tv screen when you watch him play, he would eat the currys of the world alive. and yes, i know del negro isnt an experienced coach but we all know dell harris is the mind behind every team hes involved with.

the center situation is interesting. while they may look better on paper with a camby or a chandler, i think this team may have potential to be a running team while villanueva just plugs up the 5. they can play small because of the solid backcourt pieces, and just push the ball constantly. let gordon and stuckey run, start prince and maxiell/daye in the front, rip off the bench. if they go with that mentality they could ideally spend much less on a role playing center, possibly adonal foyle or mikki moore.

at least that way they can save some sort of funds for 2010. because if this doesnt work out theyve royally screwed themselves

prodigy
07-02-2009, 09:50 AM
I think they will end up trading Rip for a forward... Still i think they are a 37-43 win team next year.

Then why they sign CV. Hes a forward. They need a center.

Ace33Bone
07-02-2009, 09:54 AM
The Pistons will definitely be better than they were last year but its not do to the acquisition of Villenueva and Gordon. It will be do to the simple fact that they underwent kemo and got rid of the cancer called Allen Iverson. That is the biggest offseason move that they Pistons have made

Raoul Duke
07-02-2009, 10:11 AM
We'll be better in the long run. Gordon and C-Vil make us more potent offensively, not to mention much younger. We're one good piece away from being a legitimate contender again.

And despite popular belief, I think there are enough minutes available to accommodate a three guard lineup of Stuckey/Rip/Gordon. Will Bynum could be the real loser in this deal.

SwaggaIke
07-02-2009, 11:14 AM
I think Joe D really went out on a limb and brought in the two best players he could get. He couldn't go into the season w/o using that cap room or there would be an uproar, but the piece/pieces he truly wanted weren't there. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I can see 45 wins out of this group for the simple fact that they played pretty good D last year, but just couldn't get the ball in the cup often enough.

Sly Guy
07-02-2009, 11:14 AM
500 win team

corrected.

cle12152433
07-02-2009, 11:25 AM
^^^lol like your sig

Dmagic87
07-02-2009, 11:27 AM
I think Dumars is ill and Isiah is secretly running things.

cle12152433
07-02-2009, 11:31 AM
heh heh

getnhigh
07-02-2009, 11:39 AM
500 team

durtee
07-02-2009, 11:41 AM
At this point it is obvious that they are already better than last year. How much better? I don't know, but I also don't think that they are finished. At some point they have to get a big man and the success this season will depend on who that is.

Raps18-19 Champ
07-02-2009, 11:41 AM
I don't even think those guys can make them better. I still see them missing the playoffs.

Gordon is pretty much like Iverson and that is a ball hog who overshoots the ball.

CV31 is going to fill in Wallace's spot and that is it.

king4day
07-02-2009, 11:46 AM
For the future it's not terrible, but the way the team is designed, this wasn't the right direction to go in.
They basically traded Billups and Sheed for Gordon and Vanilla Wafers.
I have a hard time not seeing them in the playoffs, but it wouldn't surprise me if they missed it altogether.

bossup2
07-02-2009, 11:54 AM
sheed averaged about 12 ppg and 7 rebounds making 13 mill ill take a 16 and 8 younger guy with less of an attitude problem for about 6 mill a year

DCSportsIsPain
07-02-2009, 11:57 AM
Hard to say since it is entirely possible they will trade Rip before all is said and done.
As of right now, I'd guess they will be fighting for the #8 seed, right along with several other teams that perpetually hover between the .450 and the .500 mark after 82 games.

DCSportsIsPain
07-02-2009, 11:58 AM
Duplicate Post.

arkanian215
07-02-2009, 11:59 AM
i think they'll do worse next year based on +/- contributing players and the overall strength of the division and conference.

mark1125
07-02-2009, 02:08 PM
No one can really gauge it right now. IMO, it all comes down to what they do with RIP. The team as it stands right now would be lucky to hit .500. If they can get a solid big for RIP (Chandler, Kaman, etc) they could be closer to 45-48.

The team gave up on Curry last year. They rid themselevs of some cancers and brought in some young talent. I don't see them being a top contender regardless, but if they do something good with RIP, they will be solid.

dre1990
07-02-2009, 02:17 PM
50 wins, 4th best team in the east.

Catfish1314
07-02-2009, 02:17 PM
Villanueva is an upgrade over Wallace offensively. He's more consistent and has the combination of size, quickness, and scoring ability to play both the 3 and the 4. He's also younger and less of a headcase. But defensively, he doesn't even come close and he doesn't have Sheed's toughness either.

Gordon, who I'm assuming is Hamilton's eventual replacement, will fit better in Detroit than he did in Chicago because Rodney Stuckey is 6'5, tough enough and strong enough to defend shooting guards. Gordon is not a good defender but he's better off defending point guards than shooting guards.

C-Kwame Brown/Someone
PF-Charlie Villanueva/Jason Maxiell
SF-Tayshaun Prince/DaJuan Summers/Daye
SG-Rip Hamilton/Ben Gordon/Afflalo
PG-Rodney Stuckey/Will Bynum

Defensively, it's still a pretty decent team with Brown, Prince, Hamilton, Stuckey, Maxiell, and Summers. And offensively, they've upped the firepower. Hamilton is most likely on his way out and I doubt Prince is there long-term either.

I would say 43-39, 44-38 somewhere in that range. They'll need a good coach though.

Freshed
07-02-2009, 02:25 PM
this is a team with alot of stars, but they can't win games.
especially if hamilton and or prince gets traded.

khalil72
07-02-2009, 02:37 PM
They won't even make the playoffs. This team is on the decline.

jrosborn
07-02-2009, 02:39 PM
.500 team. detroit is a dying franchise that thinks they'll be somewhat successful bringing in two guys that can just score and have zero defense. not a good move if they want to contend with the cavs

Kyle916
07-02-2009, 02:41 PM
Playoffs - definitely.

Legit contenders - nope.

jimbobjarree
07-02-2009, 02:42 PM
I bet they still make a play for Booz...using Rip or Tayshaun perhaps?

KB24PG16
07-02-2009, 02:59 PM
i think they'll get out of the 1st round but thats probably it

AlexTmz2
07-02-2009, 03:01 PM
:down:

DamnGoat
07-02-2009, 03:12 PM
They'll be better, but nowhere close to elite status.

Probably 6 seed at best, lottery team at worst.

midwestmadman
07-02-2009, 03:15 PM
it depends on what other moves will be made, and who the coach is. If they get Avery Johnson as a coach and play an up-tempo style of game 43-46W's so better than last year 7 maybe a 6 seed this year, but if they move Rip and get a quality C and another body off the bench maybe as high as 4, remember the East has a big drop off after the top 4 teams. I am thinking Hamilton to the Clip for Kamen and maybe DeAndre Jordan (the salaries match exactly). If Detroit goes with Kamen as the starting C I would say Joe has to get another big body to be his back up since Kamen seems to miss 70% of every season. My personal opinion is that they should try to package a deal for Camby who has the expiring contract and I think would fit in great with what Detriot is trying to do.

ThEaIrUpThErE
07-02-2009, 03:23 PM
i hope people understand rip makes more than gorden so its even more ridiculous for him to come off the bench...
i think they need another fa big, put gorden off the bench like in a jason terry role, it would work even better if they hire avery johnson. if they do those thinks i see about 50 wins

KaganRS
07-02-2009, 03:29 PM
it was good while it lasted .... respect.

JordansBulls
07-02-2009, 03:29 PM
Probably as good as Charlotte.

RiLoc
07-02-2009, 03:36 PM
I think they'll be a little better than last year, maybe they'll actually be .500 or just above, but I'm not sure that the game plan is to contend for a title in 2010 anyway. I think they're building for the future and Hamilton will be traded. Perhaps Prince too.

BkOriginalOne
07-02-2009, 03:43 PM
If they get the right coach, they can be competitive. I'd say 46-36, they can score in more ways than last year. They still need a low post guy to be considered a threat.
Singing Gordon and Villi makes them deep, and gives them the right amount of flexibility to get a big.
I wouldn't be suprised if Hamilton were dealt, They could use him to get a big for cheap like Tyson Chandler, or maybe a bigger package for Amare or Boozer.

effen5
07-02-2009, 03:52 PM
33-37 win team