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D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 07:45 PM
they gave him 40 million for 5 years

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301111

More shats!
07-01-2009, 07:47 PM
The Detroit Pistons struck first Wednesday, getting commitments from their top two free-agent targets, Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

Gordon agreed to a five-year, $55 million deal, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. Villanueva, the source said, also has committed to the Pistons, though details were still being worked out. Free agents could begin negotiating deals at midnight Wednesday, but can't sign them until July 8, after the salary cap and luxury tax for 2009-10 are agreed upon by the league and players association.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15844497

cantstopthee
07-01-2009, 07:48 PM
i heard 7 mil for him, lil over payed for both but if we get a big to clean up those missed shots then we might have something here :)

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 07:48 PM
i think they over paid on both

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 07:49 PM
I feel bad for the Pistons, because they just spent sooo much money, and they wont be any more the contenders this year that they were last year.

They just took themselves out of Free Agency 2010.

haircanada
07-01-2009, 07:49 PM
already a thread about this
thread/

mikantsass
07-01-2009, 07:50 PM
Good signings for the Pistons. Obviously they're moving in a new direction.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 07:50 PM
They should have taken the 55 million they spent on Gordon and resigned a PG to replace Allen Iverson. Gordon isn't much of an upgrade over Richard Hamilton, if at all!

GoatMilk
07-01-2009, 07:50 PM
Villanueva and Gordon, Over/Under: 56 combined shots a game lol

More shats!
07-01-2009, 07:50 PM
The Detroit Pistons made the biggest early splash in free agency on Wednesday, agreeing to terms with Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva.

Former Bulls guard Gordon will receive a five-year, $55 million deal, while former Bucks forward Villanueva gets a five-year deal for $35 million, sources told ESPN.com's Chris Broussard.

Gordon rejected deals from Chicago in excess of $50 million each of the past two seasons.

The Associated Press first reported the Villanueva signing.

Free agents can't officially sign with new teams until July 8.

Gordon, who was taken third in the 2004 draft by Chicago, led the Bulls in scoring each of the past four seasons. He averaged 20.4 points per game on 45.5 percent shooting last year. For his career, he has a 21.3 points per game average.

Villanueva, the seventh overall pick by Toronto in 2006 who has played the past three seasons with the Bucks, averaged 16.2 points and 6.7 rebounds per game last season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301111

5 year and 35 mill for Charlie Villanueva

hgtiger32
07-01-2009, 07:51 PM
I thought I would combine the two because there seems to be three seperate threads for both Villanueva and Gordon. Thoughts?

I think the Pistons overpaid for TWO overrated players. While watching CV as a Buck i saw that he had no defense and his offensive output was inconsistent.

Sooooo...thoughts on the signings and what this possibly means for Rip Hamilton?

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 07:52 PM
Good signings for the Pistons. Obviously they're moving in a new direction.

Hell! They wont contend any more this year than they did last year.

They pissed away all that money and took themselves out of free agency 2010. And for what?? Where does Ben Gordon fit in all this??? Right now he is the sixth man.

cubbies93
07-01-2009, 07:52 PM
yes way to go Joe D. over paid but what ever it takes to get your guys.

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 07:52 PM
already a thread about this
thread/

now there is, mine was first

Jahari Kavi
07-01-2009, 07:53 PM
i think they over paid on both


I think they overpaid for gordon...this about right for Villanueva though.......

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 07:54 PM
They should have taken the 55 million they spent on Gordon and resigned a PG to replace Allen Iverson. Gordon isn't much of an upgrade over Richard Hamilton, if at all!

yeah personally i think dumars lost his damn mind. two guys who ownt help them really at all. why do you think the bulls didnt pay him.

More shats!
07-01-2009, 07:54 PM
The Pistons defence is not going to be really pretty next season.

cubbies93
07-01-2009, 07:54 PM
over paid but now they can trade Rip for a center.

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 07:55 PM
I think they overpaid for gordon...this about right for Villanueva though.......

well charlie is talented and all, but he is a stat guy so thats pretty much all he cares about. if he was smart, he owuld of taken the mid level this year from a contender and built himself up more as a team player and maybe would of gotten a bigger contract the year after

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 07:59 PM
so pistons starting 5 will most likely be stuckey, gordon, prince, charlie v, and C. thats not a playoff team in my opinion

UNETOWNBAYAREA
07-01-2009, 08:08 PM
they did overpay for both.. Villanueva was out of favor in milwaukee 2 years ago.. broke out last year though a bit

bigbaze23
07-01-2009, 08:08 PM
the pistons are going to trade rip for camby/chandler. the lineup would be

Stuckey,gordon,tayshaun,cv,tyson/camby

i think this can be a very dangrous lineup

philab
07-01-2009, 08:09 PM
This makes a lot of sense; surprised no national writer picked up on this possibility (at least that I saw). The UCONN boys are reuniting in Detroit and joining former Huskie Rip Hamilton too.

Unec
07-01-2009, 08:12 PM
pistons will trade rip hamilton to the 76ers for sammy dalembert!!

TheShock45
07-01-2009, 08:19 PM
i thought detroit was postioning themselves for the 010 offseason not to battle the sixers for the 5th spot in the playoffs

TheShock45
07-01-2009, 08:21 PM
pistons will trade rip hamilton to the 76ers for sammy dalembert!!

like last week one of the espn reporters said if they were smart they would trade rip, prince and some1 else for sammy and dalembert since every1 knew they would get ben gordan and that trade would clear up room and build them for the future at the same time

I just dont like iggy soo ill take anything i can get for him

Trouble87
07-01-2009, 08:24 PM
Dumars has got future moves up his sleeve or he's trying to get himself fired

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 08:26 PM
The Pistons defence is not going to be really pretty next season.

your telling me. its funny how in two years they went from one of the best to now one of the worst

27atwater
07-01-2009, 08:27 PM
Dumars may be the worst GM in the NBA. He has made approximately ZERO moves that have helped his team.

27atwater
07-01-2009, 08:28 PM
Dumars has got future moves up his sleeve or he's trying to get himself fired

That is my vote, but it hasn't happened so far...

massey07
07-01-2009, 08:32 PM
I see a lot of haters, RIP can't get his own shot, GORDON can period CV is only 24 and has a lot of upside at 6 11. Joe had 18 mil to spend and he did a perfect job with it. He had to shake this team up, they were horrible last year.

27atwater
07-01-2009, 08:37 PM
They were horrible because Joe made them so. I bet they'd have been great w/ Carmelo, but I'm sure that wasn't his fault either.

JWO35
07-01-2009, 08:38 PM
I see us as a 4 or maybe even a 3 seed in the East
(We only need a Decent Center)

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 08:39 PM
I see a lot of haters, RIP can't get his own shot, GORDON can period CV is only 24 and has a lot of upside at 6 11. Joe had 18 mil to spend and he did a perfect job with it. He had to shake this team up, they were horrible last year.

Is this joe dumars? if it is, make the autograph out to david. anyways what are you smoking? as a bulls fan i have watch gordon over the last 4 years. he is undersized, doesnt play D and can shoot you outta a game as easy as he can shoot you into one. me personally i love that we didnt waste our 2010 money on his ***. as for charlie V, lmao..... i guess you dont watch basketball then. he is good, but plays dumb. has zero bball IQ and is as selfish as gordon

mitch91
07-01-2009, 08:41 PM
i dont think this moves them into contention at all! is gordon really that much better than rip! rip is on his way out! i was going to say possibly to jazz for booz but that would just be dumb! so where is rip going to go, im sure he would have plenty of suiters, great guy and a very smart basketball player. maybe prince will go to and they will start with a completly new team

KaganRS
07-01-2009, 08:42 PM
Dumars may be the worst GM in the NBA. He has made approximately ZERO moves that have helped his team.

I would hope you are only referring to the last year or so , because when Joe Dumars inherited the Pistons they were completely irrelevant, not to mention their jerseys were hideous.

koreancabbage
07-01-2009, 08:43 PM
Is this joe dumars? if it is, make the autograph out to david. anyways what are you smoking? as a bulls fan i have watch gordon over the last 4 years. he is undersized, doesnt play D and can shoot you outta a game as easy as he can shoot you into one. me personally i love that we didnt waste our 2010 money on his ***. as for charlie V, lmao..... i guess you dont watch basketball then. he is good, but plays dumb. has zero bball IQ and is as selfish as gordon

Gordon: selfish but clutch, i wonder how many games Gordon helped you guys win?

CV: i wouldn't say 0 basketball iq, pretty sure he has more than you or i and the game to follow it with. he is still learning what he can and cannot do, being 6'11" and all. i'm sorry but you can't get 48 points in an NBA game without some basketball IQ. he's a mismatch nightmare!

27atwater
07-01-2009, 08:44 PM
I would hope you are only referring to the last year or so , because when Joe Dumars inherited the Pistons they were completely irrelevant, not to mention their jerseys were hideous.

The last couple of years. I just don't get how for a few years everything he touched turned to gold, but now everything he does is terrible. Guess I'll take the wait and see approach.

cubbies93
07-01-2009, 08:46 PM
im going to laugh when all you guys that are questioning Dumars when the Pistons go deep into the playoffs. i dont think there good enough to win the championship but now can be relevant again.

27atwater
07-01-2009, 08:49 PM
OK, so who is their starting 5 gonna be?

Who is the PG?
What about Stuckey?
What about Rip?

I dunno. I just don't know.

twoearl
07-01-2009, 08:50 PM
To me I dont really see Ben Gordon EVER being a bonafide starter in the NBA. He is small, can't play D and is mad inconsistent with his scoring.

But I do like Charlie V. He is only 24! He has time to get better. But this current team even with a camby or chandler is still nowhere the top team in the east. maybe 5th or 6th.

27atwater
07-01-2009, 08:52 PM
I don't hate Gordon, but I think they paid WAAAAY too much bank for that dude.

JWO35
07-01-2009, 08:53 PM
Here's the projected Line-up

PG. Rodney Stuckey
SG. Ben Gordon
SF. Tayshaun Prince/Richard Hamilton
PF. Charlie Villanueva
C. (Will most likely deal Hamilton or Tayshaun for a Center)

27atwater
07-01-2009, 08:59 PM
Here's the projected Line-up

PG. Rodney Stuckey
SG. Ben Gordon
SF. Tayshaun Prince/Richard Hamilton
PF. Charlie Villanueva
C. (Will most likely deal Hamilton or Tayshaun for a Center)

I like Stuckey, but the guy they sent to Denver had sumthin special that not too many have. I see this as an average roster. Clearly better w/o AI, but I guess ya gotta move on sometime.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 09:01 PM
how are they better without AI??? He is better than Stuckey?

twoearl
07-01-2009, 09:03 PM
Here's the projected Line-up

PG. Rodney Stuckey
SG. Ben Gordon
SF. Tayshaun Prince/Richard Hamilton
PF. Charlie Villanueva
C. (Will most likely deal Hamilton or Tayshaun for a Center)

yeah this is just an average roster. Good enough for a 1st round playoff series but nothing more.

cantstopthee
07-01-2009, 09:05 PM
i want rudy f and chandler lol

27atwater
07-01-2009, 09:06 PM
how are they better without AI??? He is better than Stuckey?

AI is garbage in a team game. He is old and never could shoot. he can score, but HOW he scores is a detriment to his team. He is a great "talent" but not conducive to winning. There is a reason why many are saying he may not even get signed.

5+7=DYNASTY!!!
07-01-2009, 09:07 PM
I don't see these as good moves for the Pistons. They are not going to win any championships with this roster.

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 09:07 PM
Henry Abbott: So much for the genius of the Iverson trade... (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-2/The-Genius-of-the-Allen-Iverson-Trade--Gone.html)

IBleedPurple
07-01-2009, 09:20 PM
look for the Pistons to dump salary, because they just overpayed for 2 players

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 09:23 PM
Gordon: selfish but clutch, i wonder how many games Gordon helped you guys win?

CV: i wouldn't say 0 basketball iq, pretty sure he has more than you or i and the game to follow it with. he is still learning what he can and cannot do, being 6'11" and all. i'm sorry but you can't get 48 points in an NBA game without some basketball IQ. he's a mismatch nightmare!

youve gotta be kidding me on gordon. he has won as many games for us as he has probably lost. the man takes some of the most utterly stupid shots i have ever seen. yes, he has won us games, but also lost us a lot as well.

as for charlie v, you can have no basketball IQ and score 48 points if you have talent but that was one game he did that. he should be a mismatch nightare but he isnt, cause again he has no bball IQ and doesnt know how to use his body and athleticism like he can.

IBleedPurple
07-01-2009, 09:24 PM
I thought the Pistons could deal with one more year of losing to make a big splash in 2010, but somebody got impatient

JordansBulls
07-01-2009, 09:26 PM
they gave him 35 million for 5 years

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301111

Nice

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 09:29 PM
Nice

shouldn't that read 55/5? (not 35/5)?

aarwich
07-01-2009, 09:29 PM
Hell! They wont contend any more this year than they did last year.

They pissed away all that money and took themselves out of free agency 2010. And for what?? Where does Ben Gordon fit in all this??? Right now he is the sixth man.

There are still one or two trades in the wings.

KB24PG16
07-01-2009, 09:30 PM
good pickup but may have gotten a better contract

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 09:30 PM
Henry Abbott: So much for the genius of the Iverson trade... (http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-42-2/The-Genius-of-the-Allen-Iverson-Trade--Gone.html)

now that was funny

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 09:30 PM
they gave him 35 million for 5 years

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301111

You meant 55, right?

KB24PG16
07-01-2009, 09:31 PM
i think stuckey will be the leader of this new team too with gordon as they leading scorer

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 09:32 PM
shouldn't that read 55/5? (not 35/5)?

no ben gordon made 55/5 charlie v is going to make 35/5. 7 million a year

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 09:32 PM
You meant 55, right?

Haha, for Ben Gordon's sake I hope so. If thats the case, he just took a 20 million dollar pay cut to play for a team that isn't any better.

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 09:33 PM
now espn is reporting that charlie's deal is 5 years 40 million

Bucks_Packers
07-01-2009, 09:35 PM
I really like Charlie, he is a good role model. He just needs to play some Defense

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 09:39 PM
now espn is reporting that charlie's deal is 5 years 40 million

Wow, Detroit sure has a lot of faith in these two. If either the dollar amount were smaller or the contract length were shorter, I'd rate these deals better for them, but it really does seem like a waste of the $21 million they got off the books from the AI trade to not lock down a legit superstar.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 09:40 PM
now espn is reporting that charlie's deal is 5 years 40 million

everything ESPN says is trash. They probably never even signed. I think what they meant to say was "Ben Gordon dies in car crash; Villanueva goes to play overseas". :pity:

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 09:41 PM
Wow, Detroit sure has a lot of faith in these two. If either the dollar amount were smaller or the contract length were shorter, I'd rate these deals better for them, but it really does seem like a waste of the $21 million they got off the books from the AI trade to not lock down a legit superstar.

yeah i really have no idea what joe dumars is doing. i have never seen a gm who was considered the best in the league to go from best to worst this fast if even ever

jayanthony1
07-01-2009, 09:42 PM
Waiting till next year sounds a whole lot better now huh?

futureman
07-01-2009, 10:16 PM
The cavs still think they can get PF's for the MLE. They lost a guy named Carlos Boozer by going the same route. Your not LA and your not New York. Players won't play in cleveland for the MLE EVER.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:25 PM
The cavs still think they can get PF's for the MLE. They lost a guy named Carlos Boozer by going the same route. Your not LA and your not New York. Players won't play in cleveland for the MLE EVER.

okay..didnt know we were talking about the Cavaliers here :eyebrow:

dre1990
07-01-2009, 10:27 PM
well umm... yaaa half the ****in NBA is clearing cap room for 2010, Detroit would probably not get LeBron, Dwayne, CB4, Joe Johnson, Amare, or any1 else. Charlie V averaged 27 mins a game, and with that 16 points 6 rebounds and he was 10th in PP48m. if we give him 33 mins a game he will average somewher around the 20ppg, and hes been getting better each year. with Ben Gordan we have a 18-20PPG scorer off the bench, and he has improved on his D in the past few years, plus he gives us insurence on rip hamilton. to say we wont improve this next season is just ****in stupid. we will atleast win 50 games.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:30 PM
. we will atleast win 50 games.


AHH HA HA but you wont win a championship guarantee that!!!

SIT DOWN!!

And BTW they wont win 50 games.

mark1125
07-01-2009, 10:31 PM
The cavs still think they can get PF's for the MLE. They lost a guy named Carlos Boozer by going the same route. Your not LA and your not New York. Players won't play in cleveland for the MLE EVER.

Exactly!!!

The thing that drives me nuts is that everyone keeps spouting off about 2010. Most of the big names have an idea of were they want to play. Anyone think LeBron, Wade or Bosh are thinking Charlotte, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Indiana, Toronot, etc, etc ? Only a handful of teams will cash in next year. The rest will be lefgt with a sac full of cash and nowhere to spend it. Then you will see the overspending REALLY fly.

The Pistons realized that they were longshots for any of the top names next year so they decided to grab some good, young talent now. If they can manage to get a legit big for RIP (Chandler, Kaman, etc) then they will have had a solid off season IMO.

dre1990
07-01-2009, 10:32 PM
AHH HA HA but you wont win a championship guarantee that!!!

SIT DOWN!!

And BTW they wont win 50 games.


not next year but in time we will

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:33 PM
hahaha!! not with that roster, friend.

massey07
07-01-2009, 10:34 PM
These Chicago fans are dumb. At least we overpaid for a clutch player. I remember when big bad chicago bulls stole ben wallace from detroit with a 4 yr 60milllllionnn dollar stupid *** contract that they eventually end up trading. If this ben gordon cat is so bad, why did they draft him so high. Joe would have been stupid to wait on some players that still might have not even signed here.

cubbies93
07-01-2009, 10:37 PM
I feel bad for the Pistons, because they just spent sooo much money, and they wont be any more the contenders this year that they were last year.

They just took themselves out of Free Agency 2010.

what were they gonna get. no Lebron, Wade, are Bosh would want to come here so why wait we got two really good players. we are just a center away from being relevent again.

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 10:38 PM
dre, cle, both of you need to cool this one off. Cut it out, please.

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 10:38 PM
Exactly!!!

The thing that drives me nuts is that everyone keeps spouting off about 2010. Most of the big names have an idea of were they want to play. Anyone think LeBron, Wade or Bosh are thinking Charlotte, Oklahoma City, Memphis, Indiana, Toronot, etc, etc ? Only a handful of teams will cash in next year. The rest will be lefgt with a sac full of cash and nowhere to spend it. Then you will see the overspending REALLY fly.

The Pistons realized that they were longshots for any of the top names next year so they decided to grab some good, young talent now. If they can manage to get a legit big for RIP (Chandler, Kaman, etc) then they will have had a solid off season IMO.

exactly..... the three maybe four teams where they will have theb est chance of landing someone next year is in no particular order is chicago, new york, miami, and maybe new jersey. everyone else is pretty much wasting their time. either have a big market like new york or chicago or south beach and a superstar like wade.

cubbies93
07-01-2009, 10:41 PM
Joe D did a great job this offseason. he signed Gordon, Charlie V, and fired Curry. its bin great. just sign Avery Johnson and trade for a true center

JWO35
07-01-2009, 10:41 PM
AHH HA HA but you wont win a championship guarantee that!!!

SIT DOWN!!

And BTW they wont win 50 games.

I'm still waiting for the Cleveland Cavaliers Championship Parade
(I heard it got postponed due to the Magic advancing to the Finals) :D

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:41 PM
2010 isnt all LeBron, Wade, and Bosh (who BTW has been connected to going to Detroit in 2010).

Theres also:
Amare Stoudemire
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Brandon Roy (Restricted)
Rajon Rondo (Restricted)
Ray Allen
Steve Nash
Tyson Chandler
Carlos Boozer
Michael Redd
Yao Ming
Shaq ONeal

I never said the Pistons now took themselves out of running for LeBron and Wade. Good god:mad:

dre1990
07-01-2009, 10:41 PM
hahaha!! not with that roster, friend.

C- Kwame Brown (can play D and rebound)/Center from FA or trade
PF - Charlie V/Jason Maxiell
SF - Tayshaun Prince/ Aaron Affalo
SG - Rip Hamilton/ Ben Gordan
PG - Rodney Stuckey/Will Bynum

Thats a top 4 team in the east

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 10:42 PM
These Chicago fans are dumb. At least we overpaid for a clutch player. I remember when big bad chicago bulls stole ben wallace from detroit with a 4 yr 60milllllionnn dollar stupid *** contract that they eventually end up trading. If this ben gordon cat is so bad, why did they draft him so high. Joe would have been stupid to wait on some players that still might have not even signed here.

because he came from a championship program and thats what pax liked. everyone else in the organization wanted andre iggudola. its cool, you can have ben gordon. we shall see who the winner is in a couple years. oh and on a side note, wallace was suppose to push the club to the finals, thats why they signed them. dont tell me piston fans were upset and crying cause they all were when wallace left.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:42 PM
I'm still waiting for the Cleveland Cavaliers Championship Parade
(I heard it got postponed due to the Magic advancing to the Finals) :D

Ouch man. Ouch.

But again, just making a point. Never said the Cavs would win either.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:43 PM
C- Kwame Brown (can play D and rebound)/Center from FA or trade
PF - Charlie V/Jason Maxiell
SF - Tayshaun Prince/ Aaron Affalo
SG - Rip Hamilton/ Ben Gordan
PG - Rodney Stuckey/Will Bynum

Thats a top 4 team in the east

And the other 3 teams would crap on them.

JWO35
07-01-2009, 10:44 PM
Ouch man. Ouch.

But again, just making a point. Never said the Cavs would win either.

I'm just joking anyway....

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:46 PM
I'm just joking anyway....

Im just still really mad at Rasheed Wallace for dominating Shaq and the Lakers in the 2003-2004 finals:mad:

D Roses Bulls
07-01-2009, 10:47 PM
And the other 3 teams would crap on them.

true.... also the hawks still have more talent then the pistons line up

crawford
JJ
Josh smith
al horford
zaza
and the bench aint too bad either.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 10:48 PM
isnt zaza a free agent?

iam brett favre
07-01-2009, 10:50 PM
Wow, what a day to be a Pistons fan!

aZekuiS
07-01-2009, 10:56 PM
because he came from a championship program and thats what pax liked. everyone else in the organization wanted andre iggudola. its cool, you can have ben gordon. we shall see who the winner is in a couple years. oh and on a side note, wallace was suppose to push the club to the finals, thats why they signed them. dont tell me piston fans were upset and crying cause they all were when wallace left.

The Bulls have been irrelevant for a decade while the Pistons were one of the most successful clubs of this decade. Thanks for taking Ben Wallace's contract off our hands after we used every last drop of talent he had left. You're more than welcome to do the same with Gordon after we're all done with him.

BTownTeamsRKing
07-01-2009, 10:58 PM
too much money for 2 players that have never been close to an all star game and likely wont make 1 in their careers. maybe BG, but i doubt it.

KaganRS
07-01-2009, 11:08 PM
hahaha!! not with that roster, friend.

yeah , you're roster is also full of garbage besides Bron and Shaq

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 11:16 PM
Mo Williams?? Delonte West!! Zydrunas Illgauskas?

Know your facts

aZekuiS
07-01-2009, 11:26 PM
Mo Williams?? Delonte West!! Zydrunas Illgauskas?

Know your facts

Let me know when the Cavs win atleast 1 game in the NBA finals.

KaganRS
07-01-2009, 11:28 PM
Mo Williams?? Delonte West!! Zydrunas Illgauskas?

Know your facts

I was fully aware of those individuals at the time I made the statement, I stand by what I said.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 11:29 PM
Let me know when the Cavs win atleast 1 game in the NBA finals.


hehehe, at least the cavs can get to the finals

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 11:30 PM
I was fully aware of those individuals at the time I made the statement, I stand by what I said.

okay chief

KaganRS
07-01-2009, 11:30 PM
Let me know when the Cavs win atleast 1 game in the NBA finals.

Haha seriously they have way to much swag for not doing $heeeeeeit!

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 11:34 PM
that's stupid. they made the eastern conference finals twice. and the finals before that.

your argument has gone south.

KaganRS
07-01-2009, 11:38 PM
that's stupid. they made the eastern conference finals twice. and the finals before that.

your argument has gone south.

Yes , you're right it has ; I might as well come out and say it ,I don't really like the Cavs that much outside of Lebron

27atwater
07-02-2009, 09:23 AM
Mo and Delonte are legit. Z has a role, but doesn't really help a team win when it counts. Getting Ariza and/or the psycho would go a long way.