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whitesoxfan83
07-01-2009, 05:11 PM
Barry Bonds is the legitimate single season and career Homerun King.


But! If Albert Pujols hits 62 Homers in 2009 would you consider him the "real" single season Homerun King?


(Note we don't know if he's cheating, of course if he was caught cheating the question wouldnt even existed so take this with a grain of salt)

vick27m
07-01-2009, 05:12 PM
imo yes

Rylinkus
07-01-2009, 05:15 PM
No. We can't be sure who has and hasn't cheated, which is sad.

Has anyone even had any real evidence on Sosa or do we assume because he hit a lot of HRs?

abe_froman
07-01-2009, 05:17 PM
isnt that more of a title for career hr's and not just one season?

example:aaron was known as the homerun king,never had the record for single season and maris was never called hr king but had single season for long time

so no,you only get the title when you hit the most collectively

bosox3431
07-01-2009, 05:20 PM
Is it really cheating when the mojority of the league was doing it? Im not saying its right by any means though.

Gigantes4Life
07-01-2009, 05:22 PM
No, 73>62.

TallicaFan87
07-01-2009, 05:22 PM
No. We can't be sure who has and hasn't cheated, which is sad.

Has anyone even had any real evidence on Sosa or do we assume because he hit a lot of HRs?

Wasn't there reports the other week that he tested positive on that 2003 list?

abe_froman
07-01-2009, 05:24 PM
No. We can't be sure who has and hasn't cheated, which is sad.

Has anyone even had any real evidence on Sosa or do we assume because he hit a lot of HRs?
he's on the same list that they got arod from

JAYZFAN9
07-01-2009, 05:25 PM
No, 73>62.

Yes
Guy hitting 62 using his GOD GIVEN ability>some roided up freak having a career year in his late 30's hitting 73 hrs

joe j.09
07-01-2009, 05:26 PM
he was and still is on roids....it couldn't be anymore obvious just look at him compared to everyone else......hes basically the ne Barry Bonbds.....sad but true

NYYCowboys
07-01-2009, 05:27 PM
If he doesn't get proven to be on roids then yeah but I think there's a chance hes on HGH.

Bricklayer
07-01-2009, 05:36 PM
Assuming the Pujols is clean just because he says so is a little naive, I understand people are looking for a "clean" savior right now but we don't know if Puljos is clean or not.

bosox3431
07-01-2009, 05:41 PM
he was and still is on roids....it couldn't be anymore obvious just look at him compared to everyone else......hes basically the ne Barry Bonbds.....sad but true

Yea and look at Ruth compared to who he played with. Willaims. Mantle. Aaron. There are actually players with talent. How many steroid users have sustained the level that Pujols is playing for 9 straight seaons?

Gigantes4Life
07-01-2009, 05:42 PM
Yes
Guy hitting 62 using his GOD GIVEN ability>some roided up freak having a career year in his late 30's hitting 73 hrs

73 is still larger than 62.

IBleedPurple
07-01-2009, 05:47 PM
No, 73>62.

2001 PED-machine Barry Bonds>1987 Barry Bonds.


73 is still larger than 62.

And the 2001 Barry Bonds is much larger than the 1987 Barry Bonds. What is your point?

bloodhawk
07-01-2009, 05:48 PM
I agree that Bonds should have the record...but it should always be presented this way
73*

Gigantes4Life
07-01-2009, 05:51 PM
2001 PED-machine Barry Bonds>1987 Barry Bonds.



And the 2001 Barry Bonds is much larger than the 1987 Barry Bonds. What is your point?

My point is that to be the new HR king, you need to hit more than 73. 62 would mean that you're 11 less, thus you wouldn't have the most. Pretty simple actually.

bartoron
07-01-2009, 05:54 PM
I would still consider Barry Bonds the home run champion, because he did hit 73 home runs.

cubbies93
07-01-2009, 05:55 PM
i wouldnt call him the real homerun king. Because we dont no if he took anything. plus Bonds hasnt bin completley proven guilty. so i would still give it to Bonds.

downsos
07-01-2009, 05:55 PM
He has to hit more to Bonds. If you want to erase the steroid era beat the record, don't beat Marris's total of 61 and just say that's the record. 73 will still be there just like 70, 66, 65, 64, and 63.

It will do no good to hit 62 and still be 7th on the list and say he's the home run king.

Padres Son
07-01-2009, 06:03 PM
All records in baseball from 1997-today need to be taken with a grain of salt.

As far as I know, there's still no test for HGH, so I'm not going to assume that anyone in the game is clean.

VinScully4pres.
07-01-2009, 06:04 PM
No. We can't be sure who has and hasn't cheated, which is sad.

Has anyone even had any real evidence on Sosa or do we assume because he hit a lot of HRs?

What we do know is that Babe Ruth, Maris, And Hank AAron defineatly did NOT use steroids.

We know that Barry Bonds did. And just just so the Giants fans don't jump on me about that one....OJ is guilty..we all know it. he just got away with it.

The TRUE HR kings are RIP now. Barry could never fiil the shoes of those guys...they were real men.

Gigantes4Life
07-01-2009, 06:06 PM
There's also other factors you can consider, that without steroids, and had Bonds played in the ballparks that Aaron played in, he'd have that many HRs as well.

IBleedPurple
07-01-2009, 06:06 PM
My point is that to be the new HR king, you need to hit more than 73. 62 would mean that you're 11 less, thus you wouldn't have the most. Pretty simple actually.

I think it's also pretty simple to realize that Maris likely wasn't dirty, and it is almost certain that Bonds was.

cheerio
07-01-2009, 06:08 PM
Yes *

Gigantes4Life
07-01-2009, 06:08 PM
I think it's also pretty simple to realize that Maris likely wasn't dirty, and it is almost certain that Bonds was.

Cool, and again, 73 is more than 61, 62, 63, 64....

IBleedPurple
07-01-2009, 06:12 PM
Cool, and again, 73 is more than 61, 62, 63, 64....

As a former math major, I give you the blue ribbon for the day.

28+24+5=3champs
07-01-2009, 06:18 PM
no. barry bonds is. period.
hate him or ot he holds the record and as long as his name is in the record books he is the "real" homerun king. giving pujols the title of any homerun king until he hits more than bonds would make him the "fake" homerun king

kwstriker299
07-01-2009, 06:20 PM
My point is that to be the new HR king, you need to hit more than 73. 62 would mean that you're 11 less, thus you wouldn't have the most. Pretty simple actually.

It is that simple. You cannot erase 73 from the record books. It happened. It is the highest total hit in one season. You would have to hit 74 to beat it.

We don't know how long steroids, and other drugs have been a part of baseball. It could have been going on back when Babe played, just like it has been in recent history. History cannot be erased.....

fishfan79
07-01-2009, 06:32 PM
yes 62>61 and all of the others shouldnt be talked about in the sport

Rylinkus
07-01-2009, 06:38 PM
Wasn't there reports the other week that he tested positive on that 2003 list?


he's on the same list that they got arod from

The fake list that was posted? Yes he was on that. Interestingly enough, Pujols is on the fake list I have in my possession.... :eyebrow:

Jamiecballer
07-01-2009, 07:04 PM
Barry Bonds is the legitimate single season and career Homerun King.


But! If Albert Pujols hits 62 Homers in 2009 would you consider him the "real" single season Homerun King?


(Note we don't know if he's cheating, of course if he was caught cheating the question wouldnt even existed so take this with a grain of salt)

Enough with these stupid threads!!!!

Havoc Wreaker
07-01-2009, 07:05 PM
Barry.Lamar.Bonds.

AlexStr
07-01-2009, 07:30 PM
Nah..b/c he'd still be 11 behind Barry

DewsSox79
07-01-2009, 07:37 PM
no. dumb thread

Lincecum4CY
07-01-2009, 07:48 PM
No, because Pujols could have very well be on some illegal substance that hasn't been discovered yet. you never know.

TheShock45
07-01-2009, 07:56 PM
a few years ago when howard was tearing the ball off the cover they said if he hit 62 he'd be the king soo i guess the same goes for pujols

CAIN=FUTURE
07-01-2009, 07:56 PM
If he hits 74 he will.

cle12152433
07-01-2009, 08:02 PM
We will never know if McGwire did steroids. He retired before thery started testing.

mavwar53
07-01-2009, 08:10 PM
If fat albert is found guilty of cheating will everyone get off his D!ck

Droopie28
07-01-2009, 08:11 PM
if he hits 74, then yes

vigilantex69
07-01-2009, 08:12 PM
A hundred bucks says Pujols was on that list in 2003. He used steroids for sure.

UNETOWNBAYAREA
07-01-2009, 08:15 PM
no... unless he hits 74

shizzle09
07-01-2009, 08:33 PM
Yes
Guy hitting 62 using his GOD GIVEN ability>some roided up freak having a career year in his late 30's hitting 73 hrs

thats just plain dumb right there. God given talent? how the f do you know that. It was just last year people were saying the same thing about Arod. Wake up! Bonds is the King until someone breaks it. Like it or not

THINKBLUE15
07-01-2009, 08:55 PM
No.

73 is more than 62.

This is comming from a Dodger fan.

JAYZFAN9
07-01-2009, 09:13 PM
thats just plain dumb right there. God given talent? how the f do you know that. It was just last year people were saying the same thing about Arod. Wake up! Bonds is the King until someone breaks it. Like it or not

well innocent until proven guilty i suppose... Albert has been virtually the same size since he came into the league, whereas Barrys head grew into a giant mellon and he suddenly resembled an NFL linebacker when he was in his late 30's ... and as for Arod I always suspected him as a juicer

rapjuicer06
07-02-2009, 12:41 AM
No.

73 is more than 62.

This is comming from a Dodger fan.

wow the bottom left of your sig or w/e is down right offensive. your a pretty sick person...

but back to the thread, if pujols hits 62 thats great an all but its still not the homerun record. i really don't give two ***** about steroid use or not. i mean they should just inject one guy on every team and have him be a complete freak, baseball ratings will actually go up, no one will want to miss one at bat by that guy ;) jk...but steroids doesn't fix your hand eye coordination...and to be completely honest, i think so of the records are kinda turning into crap...like if the pujols had the same pitching the babe got way back when he'd have about 150 homeruns....so like idk what you can call records and what you can't. the whole generation of baseball is completely different than what it was. i know that comes with years pasted but still, think about it sometime

jim51990
07-02-2009, 01:28 AM
yes if anyones clean then alberts that guy

MaHaRaJaH
07-02-2009, 01:38 AM
Yes
Guy hitting 62 using his GOD GIVEN ability>some roided up freak having a career year in his late 30's hitting 73 hrs

That is also _God Given_ talent to.

cubsbullsbears
07-02-2009, 02:05 AM
this question makes me mad, barry bonds hit 73 homers, end of story, pujols needs to hit 74 to be the new home run king

Crzycjunx76
07-02-2009, 02:09 AM
Until they institute a drug testing policy that includes random blood tests and the preserving of samples for testing with future methods I will not consider any baseball player (or any athlete) to be clean. So no, in the legal system it is innocent until proven guilty, but for me every player from Chone Figgins to Albert Pujols is suspect.

Oh and just because someone gains a massive amount of muscle does not mean they are on roids... and just because someone is using steriods does not mean they are going to get larger.

mnrlgry
07-02-2009, 02:43 AM
A hundred bucks says Pujols was on that list in 2003. He used steroids for sure.

Really? In those two whole years he was in the majors at that point he "for sure" tested positive?

The MLB has the best drug testing in any pro sport. I don't understand why people are still under the impression that everyone under the sun is on roids. This is not the 90s anymore people.



No, because Pujols could have very well be on some illegal substance that hasn't been discovered yet. you never know.



So couldn't you always say that? Steroids will always be one step ahead of testing. Shall we forever say that no one is legit? Because that is the way people seem to be thinking here. I guess from now on out, all baseball players and their stats should be thrown out.

gcoll
07-02-2009, 02:46 AM
Pujols is a roider too. This debate is comical.


Shall we forever say that no one is legit?
No. You just declare that the person who hit the most homeruns in a single season is the homerun king. His name is Barry Bonds.

If you say that Pujols is the "real" homerun king because he was clean....you make an assumption that can't be backed up. We don't know if Pujols used roids. I think he did. Look at him.

Remember when everyone was talking about how A-Rod was gonna be the REAL homerun king, and set the record straight?

majestic
07-02-2009, 02:51 AM
pujols is probably on roids but if not he def TOOK hgh when he was coming up

ntat
07-02-2009, 02:55 AM
no. cause the record is 73.
doesnt barry have to be found guilty before we take it from him. I know what he most likely did, but keep in mind there is no solid evidence or he would be in jail.

ntat
07-02-2009, 02:56 AM
No. We can't be sure who has and hasn't cheated, which is sad.

Has anyone even had any real evidence on Sosa or do we assume because he hit a lot of HRs?
well he did fail a steroids test.

ntat
07-02-2009, 03:01 AM
There's also other factors you can consider, that without steroids, and had Bonds played in the ballparks that Aaron played in, he'd have that many HRs as well.or if Bonds hadnt lost 5 years of atbats to walks, a **** load of them intentional, and the might as well have been intentional walks. all these threads r ********.

ntat
07-02-2009, 03:02 AM
Barry Bonds is the legitimate single season and career Homerun King.
But! If Albert Pujols hits 62 Homers in 2009 would you consider him the "real" single season Homerun King?


(Note we don't know if he's cheating, of course if he was caught cheating the question wouldnt even existed so take this with a grain of salt)
if u say bonds is the legit hr king, then why would u even ask that question? dumb thread.

ntat
07-02-2009, 03:06 AM
2001 PED-machine Barry Bonds>1987 Barry Bonds.



And the 2001 Barry Bonds is much larger than the 1987 Barry Bonds. What is your point?

lol, a guy cant put on weight in 14 years? 5 lbs a year over 14 years is more than reAsonable.
and he didnt even put on 70+ lbs, so ur argument is lame.

AsfanSince99
07-02-2009, 03:20 AM
Pujols will be the new HR king until the list comes out.

THINKBLUE15
07-02-2009, 03:27 AM
wow the bottom left of your sig or w/e is down right offensive. your a pretty sick person...


You don't even know me, so hold the personal attack. It is clearly a joke, and if you don't like it, ignore it. What...do you think I made the joke up? Don't call someone a sick person if you don't know them.

Tommyh1331
07-02-2009, 03:36 AM
Honestly I am a huge Cubs fan, And I loved the whole Sammy sosa and Mark Mcgwire parade but the steroids issue killed it for me and Barry doesn't deserve it either...so i would say yes Pujols should be considered the homerun king if overtaking, they need to take back these records from cheaters@

thawv
07-02-2009, 07:48 AM
Pujols still is, and always has been on some type of PED. Don't kid yourselves my friends.

TragicallyHip
07-02-2009, 08:18 AM
No, Barry Bonds IS the "real" HR King.

REGular
07-02-2009, 09:29 AM
Yea, I just don't understand why we are so willing to believe Pujols is clean when they are still catching superstars in 2009 cheating.



wow the bottom left of your sig or w/e is down right offensive. your a pretty sick person...

We live in an interesting world when insulting an often-accused child molester is considered downright offensive.
Personally, defending the man could be considered offensive as well . . .

k_rock923
07-02-2009, 09:41 AM
No, he's not the real king. I hate Barry Bonds, but he hit the most.

Zmaster52
07-02-2009, 11:28 AM
No. We can't be sure who has and hasn't cheated, which is sad.

Has anyone even had any real evidence on Sosa or do we assume because he hit a lot of HRs?

exactly, pujols is a monster...IMO i think pujols is on steroids, look at the way he looks and the way he crushes the balls, he has 30 homeruns already and if he gets to 62 then im gona really think he's been doing steroids

atl_braves_fan
07-02-2009, 11:30 AM
If he hits 74, then he will be the real single season home run king.

hammerinhank
07-02-2009, 11:35 AM
exactly, pujols is a monster...IMO i think pujols is on steroids, look at the way he looks and the way he crushes the balls, he has 30 homeruns already and if he gets to 62 then im gona really think he's been doing steroids

Who cares if he has 30 homeruns already... This has happened 30+ other times so it is not an insane accomplshment. Griffey has done it three times, does that mean he was on juice???

MaHaRaJaH
07-02-2009, 11:36 AM
Who ever ALLEGEDLY took steroids, is irrelevant now.

DieHardColtsfan
07-02-2009, 12:05 PM
Yes until he gets caught with steriod :shrug:

Sockeye
07-02-2009, 12:15 PM
Until further notice!!!!!!!!

REGular
07-02-2009, 01:09 PM
Griffey has done it three times, does that mean he was on juice???

You think Griffey was clean??

bartoron
07-02-2009, 01:16 PM
You think Griffey was clean??

Most people do, but obviously there's no way to know for sure.

REGular
07-02-2009, 01:54 PM
Most people do, but obviously there's no way to know for sure.

I just keep going back to the summer of '98 and SportsCenter updates of the HR race. At the time it was Mcguire, Sosa, & Griffey.
I just find it so hard now to buy in to the fact Griffey was the only clean one.

REGular
07-02-2009, 02:11 PM
Unless decades of baseball history are erased, this isn't even a question open to debate.

I'm pretty sure the reason Real is in quotes is to demonstrate that according to the record books there is no debate who is baseball's HR leader.

However, in the court of public opinion there is room to consider Bonds & co. as illegitimate heirs to the throne considering the illegal means used to attain them.

Therefore, I see plenty of room for dialogue on the subject and would urge you in the future to ignore threads that don't interest you.

crc9246
07-02-2009, 02:32 PM
None of it will matter Roger Maris's 61 is the only record with concrete evidence that steroids were not used. Barry's 73, Mac's 70, Sosa's 66, and if Pujols hits 62 I have to assume it's tainted just like evrything else these days. He's nick-named the "Machine", because i'm sure some kinda drug made him a "Machine"

rapjuicer06
07-02-2009, 02:58 PM
Yea, I just don't understand why we are so willing to believe Pujols is clean when they are still catching superstars in 2009 cheating.




We live in an interesting world when insulting an often-accused child molester is considered downright offensive.
Personally, defending the man could be considered offensive as well . . .

well making a joke about someone who died, is really kinda sick

NYMetros
07-02-2009, 03:07 PM
No, 73>62.
62 clean>73 with steroids

IMO.

Havoc Wreaker
07-02-2009, 03:33 PM
62 clean>73 with steroids

IMO.

And when somebody finds out if Maris was clean...then the record can go back to 62....but for now.....

Barry.Lamar.Bonds. 73. 762. 500-500.

REGular
07-02-2009, 03:38 PM
And when somebody finds out if Maris was clean...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wait . . . you were serious?

bartoron
07-02-2009, 03:40 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wait . . . you were serious?

To be honest, players even back then could have been on something. Baseball players used to take amphetamines, so who knows?

REGular
07-02-2009, 04:25 PM
Until someone hits 74 home runs, Bonds is the undisputed owner of the single season home run record. End of story.

That's ok, but that wasn't the intent of this thread . . . :eyebrow:

Gigantes4Life
07-02-2009, 04:41 PM
None of it will matter Roger Maris's 61 is the only record with concrete evidence that steroids were not used. Barry's 73, Mac's 70, Sosa's 66, and if Pujols hits 62 I have to assume it's tainted just like evrything else these days. He's nick-named the "Machine", because i'm sure some kinda drug made him a "Machine"

The funniest thing is, if the record should be anyone's (which it shouldn't be changed), it should go back to Ruth's 60 and not Maris' 61.


That's ok, but that wasn't the intent of this thread . . . :eyebrow:

Yes it is. The OP asked if 62 would be the new HR king. And he said no, because 73>62.

REGular
07-02-2009, 06:26 PM
Yes it is. The OP asked if 62 would be the new HR king. And he said no, because 73>62.

Nope . . . the OP very clearly stated that "Barry Bonds is the legitimate single season and career Homerun King."

The question was purely posed as a matter of opinion.

So to suggest that this "isn't even a question open to debate" seems kind of silly in that context.

Gigantes4Life
07-02-2009, 06:34 PM
Nope . . . the OP very clearly stated that "Barry Bonds is the legitimate single season and career Homerun King."

The question was purely posed as a matter of opinion.

So to suggest that this "isn't even a question open to debate" seems kind of silly in that context.

Yes, you're kind of right.


But! If Albert Pujols hits 62 Homers in 2009 would you consider him the "real" single season Homerun King?

And people are saying no, because 73 is more than 62.

REGular
07-02-2009, 06:37 PM
And people are saying no, because 73 is more than 62.

Agreed, but to say there is no purpose for the thread bc the record book will still show barry bonds as the leader is irrelevant . . . b/c the post isn't about what will the record books show . . . I think that's pretty obvious to everybody.

The question is will you consider Barry the "rightful" champion. And if your personal answer is "yes" that's fine but it doesn't have to be indisputable just b/c "you" say so.