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Jonathan2323
06-30-2009, 10:57 PM
J.R. Smith has been sentenced to at least 30 days in jail for causing an auto accident in which the passenger of his car was killed.

Smith was sentenced to 90 days, but is only expected to be locked up for 30 days if he completes 500 hours of community service. Smith admitted to driving through a stop sign and hitting another car in June 2007. His friend, passenger Andre Bell, died as a result of his injuries. No word yet on if Smith will be further penalized by the NBA.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NBA.aspx

Zefflin
06-30-2009, 11:01 PM
Noooooo, I would have never thought...

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:02 PM
Wow wtf? He runs a stop sign and the passenger who he's responsible for because he is the one driving is KILLED and he gets 30 days and community service?? Wow. Unbelievably light sentence. I had no idea he had done any of this. What a piece of garbage.

He should be suspended indefinetly like the football player...Stallworth was it? Playing pro ball is a privilege in my opinion and because you're held to a higher standard for getting paid millions to play a game these kind of actions should be looked at as a league ban. I mean he got someone KILLED and it was his fault for running through the stop sign. He gets to live on making millions while his friend is dead. Wow. Total injustice right there....

clutchski
06-30-2009, 11:04 PM
yeah..he should be getting more if he ran the stop sign..

JJ_JKidd
06-30-2009, 11:07 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NBA.aspx

Question: What do you call an individual who does not obey traffic laws/regulations?

Clue: Starts with a "T" and ends with a "G" :smoking:

J_M_B
06-30-2009, 11:07 PM
why am I not surprise

toovey107
06-30-2009, 11:09 PM
i really love how players like Stallworth and now JR Smith can basically get away with murder. dont mind my pun

i mean this isnt as bad as Stallworth's but damn these sentences are a joke

its ashamed famous athletes are so above the law and everyone else.

Kakaroach
06-30-2009, 11:09 PM
:pity: What else did you expect?

still1ballin
06-30-2009, 11:09 PM
Wow wtf? He runs a stop sign and the passenger who he's responsible for because he is the one driving is KILLED and he gets 30 days and community service?? Wow. Unbelievably light sentence. I had no idea he had done any of this. What a piece of garbage.

He should be suspended indefinetly like the football player...Stallworth was it? Playing pro ball is a privilege in my opinion and because you're held to a higher standard for getting paid millions to play a game these kind of actions should be looked at as a league ban. I mean he got someone KILLED and it was his fault for running through the stop sign. He gets to live on making millions while his friend is dead. Wow. Total injustice right there....

+1

If that person that got killed was a sibling/relative of mine, I'd kill Smith myself.

ackar
06-30-2009, 11:11 PM
So people still think Vick got a fair sentence so far in less than a year two athletes kill two civilians in motor vehicle accident scratch that not accident but purposeful neglect for human life. Yes what Vick did was purposeful and morally wrong by some standards.

So gambling and dog killing because some fascist organization got up in arms get you fed time kill people not so much unless of course it is drug related then zero tolerance.

We say what Vick was inhumane I say what those two did and justice system is far worst human life trump animals anyday God gave us dominion over the beast of the land.

Jonathan2323
06-30-2009, 11:11 PM
Smith got off light IMO.

DenButsu
06-30-2009, 11:13 PM
:yawn:

Let the bashfest begin.

I'll help you out, guys, and save you some time:

"He's such a thug!"

"He's such a punk!"

"He's a piece of ****!"

"He sucks!"


Repeat ad nausem for about 8 thread pages.

Mane
06-30-2009, 11:15 PM
****ing idiot

blah-blah
06-30-2009, 11:16 PM
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NBA.aspx

wow only 30 days?

Zefflin
06-30-2009, 11:16 PM
:yawn:

Let the bashfest begin.

I'll help you out, guys, and save you some time:

"He's such a thug!"

"He's such a punk!"

"He's a piece of ****!"

"He sucks!"


Repeat ad nausem for about 8 thread pages.

True...poor Butsu...

luuuooooool9
06-30-2009, 11:18 PM
the passenger should of been wearing his seatbelt

greg_ory_2005
06-30-2009, 11:20 PM
Make sure you don't drop the soap JR.

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:20 PM
just goes to show that when u are any type of star u will either get off of **** or be given a light sentence. if it was me they probably would have gave me a 5-10 years!! look at dante stallworth, he clearly hit somebody and killed them and got 30!! come on man.. i dont like to see nobody go to jail cause its not a good place to be but u gotta be fair, what about the people who lost loved ones??

Trouble87
06-30-2009, 11:21 PM
I forgot all about this...

Poor JR I hope he stays positive and never gets into this type of trouble again... he's too young and talented to get caught up in the bull****

Draco
06-30-2009, 11:21 PM
I'm curious why the laws are lax for manslaughter as a result of reckless driving compared with manslaughter as a result of drunk driving. Andrew Gallo is facing 45 years to life for killing Nick Adenhart back in April in a trial that hasn't yet concluded. When did JR run a stop sign? Why is not only such a great difference in sentence but also for resolution of the trial..

And to get my JR bashing in.. I would have given him 30 days for the Chicken Dance let alone killing someone. :p

Hustla23
06-30-2009, 11:21 PM
How is this surprising anybody?

The justice system is a ****ed up piece of **** where idiots like Smith and Stallworth can toy with people's lives and not pay for it.

**** J.R. Smith. I hope this **** eats away at his conscience while he's sipping his thousand dollar bottles of champagne after games.

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:24 PM
vick got hammered in my opinion, he killed some pets and gets around a year but these guys get 30 days for taking a human life??? wow!! it dont matter if the passenger was wearing his seatbelt or not.. they got off light!! i know they didnt try to kill them but still, they families of the ones that died have to watch these "stars" on tv still living the fabulous life while they grieve over who the stars killed!! it aint fair, the system is fu**ed up PERIOD!!

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:24 PM
:yawn:

Let the bashfest begin.

I'll help you out, guys, and save you some time:

"He's such a thug!"

"He's such a punk!"

"He's a piece of ****!"

"He sucks!"


Repeat ad nausem for about 8 thread pages.

He KILLED someone. It wasn't one of his stupid thug antics during the game. This was real life. Someones dead. he should be banned from the league. Period.

icon1914
06-30-2009, 11:24 PM
A lot of judgements being passed.

I guess no one in here has ever run a stop sign, or had any moving violation?

It was an accident, it could have happened to anyone... the only reason you guys are *****ing is because it happened to a ball player.... a ball player you guys don't like.

Pornstar86
06-30-2009, 11:26 PM
Wow wtf? He runs a stop sign and the passenger who he's responsible for because he is the one driving is KILLED and he gets 30 days and community service?? Wow. Unbelievably light sentence. I had no idea he had done any of this. What a piece of garbage.

He should be suspended indefinetly like the football player...Stallworth was it? Playing pro ball is a privilege in my opinion and because you're held to a higher standard for getting paid millions to play a game these kind of actions should be looked at as a league ban. I mean he got someone KILLED and it was his fault for running through the stop sign. He gets to live on making millions while his friend is dead. Wow. Total injustice right there....

i don't know about smith, but stallworth was drunk..big difference...if smith wasn't drinking then he just happened to run a stop sign and his boy had some bad luck...bet he wasn't wearing a seat belt...if his boy didn't die, what would he have gotten, a ticket? so i don't see why its a light sentence...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/jun/12/passenger-dies-in-nuggets-jr-smith-accident/

just found out that he was a horrible driver..so he should get arrested for that, not for his friend dying

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:27 PM
Superstars can do what they want and "the system" doesnt punish them for ****, let that have been a rapper. They would have tried to make and example outta them for sure.. The world is twisted for real. It doesnt surprise me at all though. **** like this happens everyday, just like they will give a person with drugs 5 years but give a rapist 1 or 2 (depending how bad it was). How is that fair???????

Pornstar86
06-30-2009, 11:29 PM
seriously...it was a car accident..when that happens to me, someone gets a ticket, i switch information with the other driver, and go home, not to jail...if his friend was wearing a seat belt, he would still be here....not smith's fault....how is he a thug and a piece of **** for getting into an ACCIDENT? you guys just sound ******** as hell for calling him a thug cuz he has a lot of tattoos

Rio40
06-30-2009, 11:29 PM
did he see the stop sign and just go through it anyway or did he just not see it. Accidents do happen. It was his friend who died. People shouldn't be so harsh he has prob had a hard enough time as it is. Im sure everyone here has accidently ran a stop sign. ( IF he just decided to go through it, completely different story)

GspLAL
06-30-2009, 11:30 PM
Wow wtf? He runs a stop sign and the passenger who he's responsible for because he is the one driving is KILLED and he gets 30 days and community service?? Wow. Unbelievably light sentence. I had no idea he had done any of this. What a piece of garbage.

He should be suspended indefinetly like the football player...Stallworth was it? Playing pro ball is a privilege in my opinion and because you're held to a higher standard for getting paid millions to play a game these kind of actions should be looked at as a league ban. I mean he got someone KILLED and it was his fault for running through the stop sign. He gets to live on making millions while his friend is dead. Wow. Total injustice right there....

Money talks, just finding out?

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:31 PM
A ball player we dont like??? I like jr smith on the court, i dont know him off the court to not like him. But if he killed your mom would u be saying let him just walk cause it was an accident??? Yeah people do run stop signs or lights and its breaking the law but if nobody is hurt then continue on with your day, but when u run a light and then kill somebody then its serious. I got 30 days in jail for a probation violation before and he gets the same time for killing somebody???? Its not fair i dont care who defends it, if u kill somebody tomorrow the same exact way u will be in your cell for 5 years or better.. Believe that!!

Draco
06-30-2009, 11:32 PM
seriously...it was a car accident..when that happens to me, someone gets a ticket, i switch information with the other driver, and go home, not to jail...if his friend was wearing a seat belt, he would still be here....not smith's fault....how is he a thug and a piece of **** for getting into an ACCIDENT? you guys just sound ******** as hell for calling him a thug cuz he has a lot of tattoos

Info from the link provided by one of the other posters...


The (Newark) Star-Ledger, citing New Jersey motor vehicle records, reported Monday that Smith has racked up 27 points and five suspension in less than a year.

According to the paper, Smith's driving history in that period included tickets for speeding, failure to give proper signal, reckless driving and delaying traffic. Three of those points had been deducted after Smith attended a probationary driver school, the paper reported.


JR's the victim of so many accidents.. I really feel sorry for the guy.

DenButsu
06-30-2009, 11:33 PM
He KILLED someone.

Actually, no, he didn't. You should know some facts before you libel someone.

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:34 PM
But i do understand it was his friend and he aint try it and probably grieved hard his self. But im sayin it aint fair how our system treats stars. If anyone in here did that same thing we would be in a state jail. U cant put this blame on his friend for not wearing a damn seatbelt, that sounds dumb. The blame goes to jr for running the damn stop sign regardless of how many other people do it. Jr is the blame!!

Draco
06-30-2009, 11:36 PM
Actually, no, he didn't. You should know some facts before you libel someone.

Was he driving the car? Did he run a stop sign?

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:36 PM
Wow he has a crazy driving record, it still isnt his fault though huh??? Blame it on the person who died huh??? If he killed any of u guys family members u would be calling for his head in court and u know it so step out of your "protect the star" box and be fair!!

Denver-boy
06-30-2009, 11:37 PM
just goes to show that when u are any type of star u will either get off of **** or be given a light sentence. if it was me they probably would have gave me a 5-10 years!! look at dante stallworth, he clearly hit somebody and killed them and got 30!! come on man.. i dont like to see nobody go to jail cause its not a good place to be but u gotta be fair, what about the people who lost loved ones??

Why does everyone care about his Sentence or he got off light. he could killed his friend and has to live with that Guilt Forever! thats the worst punishment YOU CAN GET! 4real

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:39 PM
seriously...it was a car accident..when that happens to me, someone gets a ticket, i switch information with the other driver, and go home, not to jail...if his friend was wearing a seat belt, he would still be here....not smith's fault....how is he a thug and a piece of **** for getting into an ACCIDENT? you guys just sound ******** as hell for calling him a thug cuz he has a lot of tattoos

When you get behind the wheel of a car and have people in the car with you they become your responsibility. Like it or not their lives are now in your hands and it is your responsibility to be careful to follow the laws of the road and keep your passengers safe. By your logic if you ran a stop sign and got your friend(s) killed your reaction would be: Man they should've been wearing their seat belts! This is only a car accident! Let me go exchange info with the guy and get this sorted out.

Key sentence: Smith RAN a stop sign resulting in a car accident which killed his friend. What don't you get? Should Smith not be held responsible? As far as I'm concerned this light sentence is saying exactly that. It's an injustice.

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:39 PM
Somebody just stated that jr didnt kill someone lmao well who did??? Casper the friendly ghost???

1. Jr smith was behind the wheel of the car
2. Jr smith ran the stop sign
3. Jr smith has a very bad driving record
4.jr smith killed his friend by running the stop sign

what more do u need???? 30 days for that?? Helll nooo its unfair

icon1914
06-30-2009, 11:39 PM
A ball player we dont like??? I like jr smith on the court, i dont know him off the court to not like him. But if he killed your mom would u be saying let him just walk cause it was an accident??? Yeah people do run stop signs or lights and its breaking the law but if nobody is hurt then continue on with your day, but when u run a light and then kill somebody then its serious. I got 30 days in jail for a probation violation before and he gets the same time for killing somebody???? Its not fair i dont care who defends it, if u kill somebody tomorrow the same exact way u will be in your cell for 5 years or better.. Believe that!!

Listen... my aunt was hit, and killed, by a bus... my cousin was hit, and killed, by a car. My family did not seek some stiff jail sentence for them. They were accidents. This was an accident.

We all make bad judgements in cars, most of them don't lead to a fatal accident.. but the ones that do you have to take into account that JR Smith did not intend to KILL his friend that day.

I'm not saying the justice system is perfect, or anywhere close, but should he get some real time for a traffic accident where he was not high or drunk?

I don't think so.

DenButsu
06-30-2009, 11:40 PM
Was he driving the car? Did he run a stop sign?

Did he point a gun at his friend's head and pull the trigger?

To say "he killed his friend" is intentionally phrasing it in a way that implies it was was a proactive, deliberate action. Did his friend die as a result of J.R.'s carelessness? Yes. Did J.R. kill his friend? No. There's a difference, and it's big.

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:40 PM
Why does everyone care about his Sentence or he got off light. he could killed his friend and has to live with that Guilt Forever! thats the worst punishment YOU CAN GET! 4real

yea playing a game for a living, making millions, and being adored by hometown fans for hitting threes and being an energy off the bench must be a rough existence. I can't imagine how he could go on or get over this.

NYtilIdie
06-30-2009, 11:40 PM
Hell he's always throwing the blood sign all the time I guess he'll finally get to see what's it's like to a gang member and where most of them end up (the other half are with his friend)

SlowMo
06-30-2009, 11:40 PM
Getting into an accident cause you're a ****** driver doesn't make you a thug, it makes you an idiot. He was an idiot. Really sucks for his friend and the family.

He deserves the 30 - 90 days of jail he's going to get cause his bad decisions cost his friend his life. I love JRs game and look forward to seeing him play again next year, and also look forward to him maturing more. This accident happened over a year ago, but just now finished in court. I think a lot of us Nugget fans knew something like this was coming. I hope the guy learned his lesson, cause he could be a hell of a ball player if he screws his head on right.

But this **** happens all the time, and it is an accident. Bad driving + wrong place + wrong time = **** happens. Its easy to demonize him since he makes a lot of money and is in the spotlight, but this kind of thing could have happened to me or my friends when we were younger and driving like idiots too. Thankfully it didn't.

Utahjazzfan18
06-30-2009, 11:41 PM
Obviously he made a huge mistake but alot of people are making it sound like he intentionally killed his friend. Can you even imagine how hard that is to live with? I don't care if he is a thug or not, thats pretty messed up to think he deserves some severe punishment for it. If it was my own family member that he killed, I might be upset at first but I would actually feel really bad for him to have to live with that.

Denver-boy
06-30-2009, 11:41 PM
Smith admitted to driving through a stop sign and hitting another car in June 2007This Isnt New is IT?

Theanswer76
06-30-2009, 11:41 PM
I love J.R. but this sentence is ****ing light man! He killed a man who was riding with him, Mike Vick sponsored dog fighting and how long was he gone for, same goes for that NFL player who killed someone. People are more important then dogs, this has to be heavier. Im very heavy about this because my brother died from a car accident and he was the passenger.

Denver-boy
06-30-2009, 11:42 PM
yea playing a game for a living, making millions, and being adored by hometown fans for hitting threes and being an energy off the bench must be a rough existence. I can't imagine how he could go on or get over this.

Millionaire.. WhatEVER WERE HUMANS Dumass

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:42 PM
Smith was at the wheel when he attempted to maneuver around a car halted at a stop sign, a spokesman for the New Jersey State Police said. Seconds after Smith entered the intersection, his 2003 GMC Yukon was struck by a Jaguar sedan.

The accident occurred in a rural part of New Jersey at an intersection surrounded by soccer fields and horse farms.

According to New Jersey State Police, Smith was issued a summons for failure to stop at a stop sign and improper passing and could face other charges in the ongoing investigation, N.J. state patrol Sgt. Stephen Jones said.

Wow. What a douche man. He was driving like an A-Hole, someone dies, and he gets off with a slap on the wrist...

Draco
06-30-2009, 11:42 PM
Did he point a gun at his friend's head and pull the trigger?

To say "he killed his friend" is intentionally phrasing it in a way that implies it was was a proactive, deliberate action. Did his friend die as a result of J.R.'s carelessness? Yes. Did J.R. kill his friend? No. There's a difference, and it's big.

Given JRs driving history in the last year I'm assuming running the stop sign was a deliberate action. I have no problem making that assumption although I do understand why that might be difficult to prove in court. That's a shame.

Pornstar86
06-30-2009, 11:43 PM
.if he killed the person in the other car it would be a different story...and if my mom was in the passenger seat i would have a lot of other questions that would need to be answered first..but he didn't kill the other person, a person in his car did not wear a seat belt, and died IN AN ACCIDENT...

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:43 PM
DENVER BOY..i care about what he got cause its unfair point blank!! he may have to live with this his whole life but that still doesnt mean he should do the fair time. if i have my gun license but accidently shoot my friend while playing with my gun i will be in jail for sure.. but it was an accident and it was my friend, and i didnt mean to do it. so would it be fair if i got 30 days???????? (oh yeah i use this example cause it really happen and my friend got 7-15 years)

NYtilIdie
06-30-2009, 11:43 PM
Plus when somebody rides with you their life is in your hands cause your the one driving and one reckless move (like this one) can lead to a death of an innocent person.

Denver-boy
06-30-2009, 11:44 PM
Hahaha This Old, he's just getting 30 days now that his Friend died from his injurys


the scene of the deadly June 9, 2007 accident



"I take full responsibility for everything that happened, but it was an accident,'' JR Smith said at his sentencing Tuesday night."It just tears me up that it went down like that," Smith said. "I take full responsibility for everything that happened, but it was an accident."

Smith apologized to the mother of crash victim Andre Bell, 21.

"I apologize to Ms. Wanda Bell, she's another mother figure," he said without looking at her. "She always has been, since the first time I met her."

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:44 PM
Millionaire.. WhatEVER WERE HUMANS Dumass

You seem to be missing the point. Imagine some guy with NOTHING and he does this to his friend. It's gonna be much harder to get through each day without thinking about this or feeling like absolute crap.

JR has so many things going for him and so many distractions to take his mind off whatever he might feel it's much easier for someone in his position to move on much quicker. Don't be naive.

SeoulBeatz
06-30-2009, 11:44 PM
:yawn:

Let the bashfest begin.

I'll help you out, guys, and save you some time:

"He's such a thug!"

"He's such a punk!"

"He's a piece of ****!"

"He sucks!"


Repeat ad nausem for about 8 thread pages.

are u saying he doesnt deserve to get bashed for being a ****** and driving through a stop sign and wasting an innocent life?

just asking? dont think this is thread either, but ur tone makes it seem like ur trying to defend him.

SlowMo
06-30-2009, 11:45 PM
Smith RAN a stop sign resulting in a car accident which killed his friend. What don't you get? Should Smith not be held responsible?

Hey, I agree with this part. JR was driving and his actions are what caused the accident. That's why he went to court, and that's why he stood trial and got convicted.

I as far as how long he should go to jail, or which jail he should go to, or how much community service he should get... that's not something that's up to me. The jury and the judge saw the case, heard the witnesses and made their decision. I trust they probably made the right decision in his conviction.

icon1914
06-30-2009, 11:45 PM
yea playing a game for a living, making millions, and being adored by hometown fans for hitting threes and being an energy off the bench must be a rough existence. I can't imagine how he could go on or get over this.

Yeah... playing Basketball cures everything. Sure, we can pretty much say JR Smith is A OK because we see him 82 games out the year. Those 48 minute games let us know everything that is going on in his life.

DenButsu
06-30-2009, 11:46 PM
Given JRs driving history in the last year I'm assuming running the stop sign was a deliberate action. I have no problem making that assumption.

Well, as long as you're admitting you're (inaccurately) calling someone a murder based purely on assumption.

Let's just be real honest here - a lot of people just hate J.R. Smith and are relishing this opportunity to bash him. Well, have at it fellas. It's a tired, tired, old, old routine that's been repeated endlessly here time after time already, but whatever floats your boats I guess.

Pornstar86
06-30-2009, 11:47 PM
DENVER BOY..i care about what he got cause its unfair point blank!! he may have to live with this his whole life but that still doesnt mean he should do the fair time. if i have my gun license but accidently shoot my friend while playing with my gun i will be in jail for sure.. but it was an accident and it was my friend, and i didnt mean to do it. so would it be fair if i got 30 days???????? (oh yeah i use this example cause it really happen and my friend got 7-15 years)

how is that any where near the same...let me break it down for you.....you run a stop sign and get in an accident...the passenger is hurt, but is fine...you get an expensive ticket and that's it...but just because he died he's supposed to get 20 years?

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:47 PM
Given JRs driving history in the last year I'm assuming running the stop sign was a deliberate action. I have no problem making that assumption although I do understand why that might be difficult to prove in court. That's a shame.

He did. He passed another car up sitting at the stop sign and ran right through it and that decision cost his friends life. And Denbetsu he might as well pulled the trigger to a gun pointed at his friends head because he made that decision when he decided to just plow through the intersection without regard for anyone. He's lucky more people weren't killed or hurt. This sentence is bull.

masalex1205
06-30-2009, 11:47 PM
Wow wtf? He runs a stop sign and the passenger who he's responsible for because he is the one driving is KILLED and he gets 30 days and community service?? Wow. Unbelievably light sentence. I had no idea he had done any of this. What a piece of garbage.

He should be suspended indefinetly like the football player...Stallworth was it? Playing pro ball is a privilege in my opinion and because you're held to a higher standard for getting paid millions to play a game these kind of actions should be looked at as a league ban. I mean he got someone KILLED and it was his fault for running through the stop sign. He gets to live on making millions while his friend is dead. Wow. Total injustice right there....


Yeah he should be burned at the stake for running a stop sign.

It was an ACCIDENT. He wasn't drunk.

It's a good thing that you've never run a stop sign in your life though dude.

DenButsu
06-30-2009, 11:49 PM
are u saying he doesnt deserve to get bashed for being a ****** and driving through a stop sign and wasting an innocent life?

just asking? dont think this is thread either, but ur tone makes it seem like ur trying to defend him.

I'm not trying to defend his actions. I'm just describing on page 1 of the thread what will inevitably follow throughout the rest of the thread. Because every thread at PSD about J.R. Smith is only about one thing: bashing him. I'm just saying that that's the only place this thread is going.

icon1914
06-30-2009, 11:49 PM
how is that any where near the same...let me break it down for you.....you run a stop sign and get in an accident...the passenger is hurt, but is fine...you get an expensive ticket and that's it...but just because he died he's supposed to get 20 years?

Thank you.

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:49 PM
Yeah... playing Basketball cures everything. Sure, we can pretty much say JR Smith is A OK because we see him 82 games out the year. Those 48 minute games let us know everything that is going on in his life.

Yea life is tough being a famous athlete making millions. I'm sure he wipes his tears with 100 dollar bills.

toovey107
06-30-2009, 11:50 PM
i dont understand some of you guys

the guy has a record of being a wreckless , terrible driver ... obciously hasnt learned from that bc he's probably be getting slaps on the wrists. this guy shouldnt even have a license. driving is a privelage that he takes advantage of.

its not like he accidently ran a red light. he manuvered around a car and ran a stop sign, bc hes a jag off.

what if he would have killed someone else, what if a poor kid was crossing the street .. bam he's dead. just because no one else was injured/killed doesnt mean ****. the guy put other lifes in danger by driving like that. if you can justify that then idk.

and to say well he wasnt wearing his seatbelt so its partially his fault , well maybe Smith shouldnt have did what he did. and for whoever said that if he was wearing one , he wouldnt have died. how the **** do you know? you cannot make that assumption.

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:51 PM
Yeah he should be burned at the stake for running a stop sign.

It was an ACCIDENT. He wasn't drunk.

It's a good thing that you've never run a stop sign in your life though dude.

Read the article. He passed up another car sitting at the stop sign and decided to plow through the intersection. His friend is dead and is lucky others aren't dead. What don't you understand? Him running the stop sign wasn't an accident. He did it on purpose.

Denver-boy
06-30-2009, 11:51 PM
Denver Nuggets guard J.R. Smith will spend 30 days in the Monmouth County jail after pleading guilty Tuesday night to reckless driving in connection with a crash that killed a close friend two years ago.

Smith, 23, reported to jail Tuesday night, said Municipal Prosecutor Richard Kelly, who had argued for incarceration.



The jail term is the result of a plea agreement Smith reached with a municipal prosecutor in Millstone Township, the scene of the deadly June 9, 2007 accident. A grand jury declined to indict the NBA player on a more serious felony count of vehicular homicide, which could have landed him in prison for years.

Judge Debra Gelson sentenced Smith to 90 days in the county jail but suspended 60 of them. She also fined him the maximum $506 and ordered him to perform 500 hours of community service by visiting sick children in hospitals.

Smith, who starred at Lakewood High School and St. Benedict's Prep in Newark before turning pro, wore a gray suit and brought his 4-month-old daughter to court with him.


William Perlman/The Star-Ledger
"I take full responsibility for everything that happened, but it was an accident,'' JR Smith said at his sentencing Tuesday night."It just tears me up that it went down like that," Smith said. "I take full responsibility for everything that happened, but it was an accident."
Prompted by one of his three attorneys, Smith apologized to the mother of crash victim Andre Bell, 21.

"I apologize to Ms. Wanda Bell, she's another mother figure," he said without looking at her. "She always has been, since the first time I met her."Gelson spoke about how Smith was a role model for children and how his driving record sent a bad message to those who look up to him.

"It's clear Mr. Smith does a lot for children," the judge said. "But as much as he does for children, he does them a huge disservice by not sending them a message that speed kills."

At the time of the accident, Smith, accompanied by former Seton Hall University basketball player Carl Marshall, picked up Bell and the friends were headed to Smith's expansive new home in Millstone for a barbecue.

Authorities said Smith, behind the wheel of his parents' 2003 GMC Yukon Denali, drove around a car stopped at an intersection in Millstone and into the path of an oncoming vehicle. The collision threw Smith and Bell, who were not wearing seat belts, from the SUV. Smith sprained his left shoulder. Bell sustained massive head injuries. By the time his mother arrived at Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune, doctors told her he had no brain activity. Bell died two days later.

The family is pursuing a wrongful death civil suit against Smith, 23, whose real name is Earl J. Smith III.

Wanda Bell told investigators she did not want Smith to be prosecuted criminally because her family wants closure. After a grand jury declined to indict Smith in October, his case was sent to municipal court for resolution of the motor vehicle summonses.

Smith was charged with reckless driving, failure to obey a stop sign, improper passing, speeding and failure to wear a seat belt. Because this was his second reckless driving conviction, he faced 90 days in the Monmouth County jail in Freehold.

At the time of the accident, Smith had 27 points and five suspensions on his driver's license. Between the time of the accident and October 2008, Smith had accumulated two more speeding tickets and three more suspensions.

An administrative law judge has since suspended Smith's driver's license for two years. His license is not expected to be reinstated until Aug. 29, 2010.

-Some INFO

toovey107
06-30-2009, 11:52 PM
im not saying the guy should get 20 years , but that sentence is ridiculous and we all know if he wasnt a famous athlete it wouldnt be so lenient

icon1914
06-30-2009, 11:52 PM
You seem to be missing the point. Imagine some guy with NOTHING and he does this to his friend. It's gonna be much harder to get through each day without thinking about this or feeling like absolute crap.

JR has so many things going for him and so many distractions to take his mind off whatever he might feel it's much easier for someone in his position to move on much quicker. Don't be naive.

Only a person with no money would assume having it would eliminate grief, depression, and other HUMAN problems that come from regret.

Some people do move on, some people don't... money has nothing to do with it.

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:53 PM
i dont understand some of you guys

the guy has a record of being a wreckless , terrible driver ... obciously hasnt learned from that bc he's probably be getting slaps on the wrists. this guy shouldnt even have a license. driving is a privelage that he takes advantage of.

its not like he accidently ran a red light. he manuvered around a car and ran a stop sign, bc hes a jag off.

what if he would have killed someone else, what if a poor kid was crossing the street .. bam he's dead. just because no one else was injured/killed doesnt mean ****. the guy put other lifes in danger by driving like that. if you can justify that then idk.

and to say well he wasnt wearing his seatbelt so its partially his fault , well maybe Smith shouldnt have did what he did. and for whoever said that if he was wearing one , he wouldnt have died. how the **** do you know? you cannot make that assumption.

Thank you..... +1

dolfan720
06-30-2009, 11:53 PM
wow JR wow you would kill someone!

Denver-boy
06-30-2009, 11:54 PM
Read the article. He passed up another car sitting at the stop sign and decided to plow through the intersection. His friend is dead and is lucky others aren't dead. What don't you understand? Him running the stop sign wasn't an accident. He did it on purpose.
Ya he killed his friend on PURPOSE haha this guy can't be 4real

Unec
06-30-2009, 11:54 PM
so because it was his friend and he has to live with this is enough punishment??? yall cant be serious at all. I been to jail for years and dont wish nobody in this forum or anywhere else to be in there but i seen alot of people in there for dumb **** and then child molesters and **** get a slap on the wrist. All im saying is make it fair to everybody, we should be treated diff depending on our status and how much money we have. I been around people in this exact same situation that are doing time still he clearly got off because who he is. I know he will have to live with this but eventually he will get over it, trust me!! yes it was an accident but that dont mean 30 days and community service but then MIKE VICK gets a year for dog fighting, LIL kim gets a year for lying to a judge, i mean we can go on for days about this but the bottom line is when u take a human life whether its an accident or not YOU should be punished. and this aint punishment, he will get the best treatment and wont be in regular population once he does go to jail. But hey this is our "system" guess we gotta live with it, so everybody better become famous so we can get away with whatever we want.

icon1914
06-30-2009, 11:54 PM
Read the article. He passed up another car sitting at the stop sign and decided to plow through the intersection. His friend is dead and is lucky others aren't dead. What don't you understand? Him running the stop sign wasn't an accident. He did it on purpose.

Him running a stop sign was a lapse in judgement that did cause the death of a passenger. That passenger was not wearing a seat belt. JR Smith did not plow thought the intersection knowing his friend would be killed.

If no one was killed would JR even got any time?

Pornstar86
06-30-2009, 11:55 PM
Somebody just stated that jr didnt kill someone lmao well who did??? Casper the friendly ghost???

1. Jr smith was behind the wheel of the car
2. Jr smith ran the stop sign
3. Jr smith has a very bad driving record
4.jr smith killed his friend by running the stop sign

what more do u need???? 30 days for that?? Helll nooo its unfair

what does having a bad driving record have to do with anything...i'm saying this because lets say he had a clean record, would you retract your opinion? also, its against the law in almost every state to not wear a seatbelt, even if your the passenger....and if you are over 18 and not wearing a seatbelt the police have the right to stop the car and give the passenger a ticket...so should the police go to the victims family now and give them a ticket to pay? i mean, that would be ultimate justice right?

icon1914
06-30-2009, 11:56 PM
im not saying the guy should get 20 years , but that sentence is ridiculous and we all know if he wasnt a famous athlete it wouldnt be so lenient

I can feel that.

DenButsu
06-30-2009, 11:56 PM
He did it on purpose.

But let's be real here, S.J. You have not been shy for some time now (as evidence during the WCF) about your dislike for J.R. Smith. You're pretty much just being opportunistic here and using this news as a platform to have your own little bash J.R. party. If it wasn't this accident, it could have been something else. Any excuse would have been fine for you.

Denver-boy
06-30-2009, 11:56 PM
i dont understand some of you guys

the guy has a record of being a wreckless , terrible driver ... obciously hasnt learned from that bc he's probably be getting slaps on the wrists. this guy shouldnt even have a license. driving is a privelage that he takes advantage of.

its not like he accidently ran a red light. he manuvered around a car and ran a stop sign, bc hes a jag off.

what if he would have killed someone else, what if a poor kid was crossing the street .. bam he's dead. just because no one else was injured/killed doesnt mean ****. the guy put other lifes in danger by driving like that. if you can justify that then idk.

and to say well he wasnt wearing his seatbelt so its partially his fault , well maybe Smith shouldnt have did what he did. and for whoever said that if he was wearing one , he wouldnt have died. how the **** do you know? you cannot make that assumption.

Clearly theirs another Story... Let the Judge Do His JOb! Your Not The Judge so Obviosly Justice is being Done!

Draco
06-30-2009, 11:56 PM
So I slowed down and read the entire article more carefully...


Smith was at the wheel when he attempted to maneuver around a car halted at a stop sign, a spokesman for the New Jersey State Police said. Seconds after Smith entered the intersection, his 2003 GMC Yukon was struck by a Jaguar sedan.

So.. car stops in front of you and your first reaction is to drive around it because obviously the stopped car is just loitering in the street (for all the time that it takes for a car to stop at a stop sign) hmm. Interesting theory.

S.J.Basketball
06-30-2009, 11:57 PM
Ya he killed his friend on PURPOSE haha this guy can't be 4real

He RAN the sop sign on purpose. Read the article. Where would you get that I said he killed his friend on purpose? Read again.

toovey107
06-30-2009, 11:57 PM
Ya he killed his friend on PURPOSE haha this guy can't be 4real

:confused: he ran the stop sign on purpose

Pornstar86
06-30-2009, 11:57 PM
i dont understand some of you guys

the guy has a record of being a wreckless , terrible driver ... obciously hasnt learned from that bc he's probably be getting slaps on the wrists. this guy shouldnt even have a license. driving is a privelage that he takes advantage of.

its not like he accidently ran a red light. he manuvered around a car and ran a stop sign, bc hes a jag off.

what if he would have killed someone else, what if a poor kid was crossing the street .. bam he's dead. just because no one else was injured/killed doesnt mean ****. the guy put other lifes in danger by driving like that. if you can justify that then idk.

and to say well he wasnt wearing his seatbelt so its partially his fault , well maybe Smith shouldnt have did what he did. and for whoever said that if he was wearing one , he wouldnt have died. how the **** do you know? you cannot make that assumption.

well, considering that he was ejected through the front windshield and killed, i made an assumption that he died from the ejection...remember seatbelts save lives!

BRICKCITYPIMP12
06-30-2009, 11:59 PM
dam thats crazy and sad
r.i.p. andre bell
was jr smith freakin drunk or something?
and **** 30 days is nothing.

Denver-boy
07-01-2009, 12:00 AM
He RAN the sop sign on purpose. Read the article. Where would you get that I said he killed his friend on purpose? Read again.
YA how would you run into a stop sign on purpose and kill you friend, and possibly kill your self on purpose?????? are you really think were dumb? this guy isnt 4real

S.J.Basketball
07-01-2009, 12:00 AM
But let's be real here, S.J. You have not been shy for some time now (as evidence during the WCF) about your dislike for J.R. Smith. You're pretty much just being opportunistic here and using this news as a platform to have your own little bash J.R. party. If it wasn't this accident, it could have been something else. Any excuse would have been fine for you.

I'm being opportunistic about a guy who decides to run a stop sign on purpose which results in a car accident and the death of his friend? And in turn he gets a slap on the wrist. I would feel this way about any player regardless of what team or who it was. Donte Stallworth for example should be in prison for the next 15 years and he's free, BUT at least he's suspended from playing football indefinetly. The very least the NBA could do is follow suit.

toovey107
07-01-2009, 12:00 AM
if JR had a clean driving record then fine i wouldnt be so adament about it

but look at his ****ing record , how he has a license idk. he has constantly put other peoples lives in jeopardy. and he obviously showed no regard, seeing he continued to drive like that.

hopefully this teaches him a lesson

Unec
07-01-2009, 12:00 AM
nah he shouldnt get twenty years but he damn sure shouldnt get 20 years, and whoever said they trust that the jurors made the right choices is a PURE DUMBASS!! Hopefully none of you do anything like this and kill ya friend but if u do, keep in mind the sentence u will get and what jr smith got. THATS ALL IMA SAY

Denver-boy
07-01-2009, 12:02 AM
:confused: he ran the stop sign on purpose

thats what your buddy saying... HE RAN INTO A STOP SIGN

Unec
07-01-2009, 12:07 AM
If he had a clean driving record then it would be diff but since his record is so bad then thats further reason why he should have got more time!!

Thats like me having a history of robbing people but then one time me and my friend rob somebody and somebody gets killed, it will look worse on me when i go to court cause i have a bad criminal record and they use that against u in court. No a robbery aint the same as a car accident, im just giving a decent example

toovey107
07-01-2009, 12:10 AM
Clearly their another Story... Let the Judge Do His JOb! You Not The Judge so Obviosly Justice is being Done!
tell that to the judge of oklahoma who let david earls ( a convicted child rapist ) get one year in prison.

point , not everyone fulfills their job.
not comparing the two cases btw, but justice is hardly being done consistantly

TMAC94
07-01-2009, 12:17 AM
i love jr smith these days but ...

bogmon
07-01-2009, 12:18 AM
i really love how players like Stallworth and now JR Smith can basically get away with murder. dont mind my pun

i mean this isnt as bad as Stallworth's but damn these sentences are a joke

its ashamed famous athletes are so above the law and everyone else.

It is not just athletes....People with money have the privilege of getting the best scum sucking lawyers at top dollar to do their bidding for them.
With enough money; power; and influence on your side, you are free to do just about anything in this country!
A simple manslaughter charge is child'd play.

Denver-boy
07-01-2009, 12:37 AM
tell that to the judge of oklahoma who let david earls ( a convicted child rapist ) get one year in prison.

point , not everyone fulfills their job.
not comparing the two cases btw, but justice is hardly being done consistantly

Imma call you out BS. Show me some Edvidence. Did you already do a report, how do people walk around knowing these things? Peoples names, His resent Cases... blah blah BS. Obviosly he doing the right thing if he hasnt been Fired or Overruled by someone

toovey107
07-01-2009, 12:40 AM
Imma call you out BS. Show me some Edvidence. Did you already do a report, how do people walk around knowing these things? Peoples names, His resent Cases... blah blah BS. Obviosly he doing the right thing if he hasnt been Fired or Overruled by someone
are you referring to the Earls case in Oklahoma

if so , its called the news. and its being reviewed and everyone is under investigation for the verdict. point proven. judges dont always do their jobs.

http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=502

gswlal
07-01-2009, 12:41 AM
no suprise

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 12:48 AM
J.R. Smith just went from thug to killer. Hope you get suspended u piece of ****

S.J.Basketball
07-01-2009, 12:50 AM
Imma call you out BS. Show me some Edvidence. Did you already do a report, how do people walk around knowing these things? Peoples names, His resent Cases... blah blah BS. Obviosly he doing the right thing if he hasnt been Fired or Overruled by someone

How old are you? I even know about this case. You're clearly blinded by your bias hence the name DENVER-BOY. Read the article kid. JR Smith ran around one car sitting at the stop sign so he could illegally shoot through the intersection and instead got into a car accident killing his friend. Why is it so hard for you to see 30 days is way too lenient? I mean really? Were you even old enough when Jackson was releasing records?

toovey107
07-01-2009, 12:54 AM
How old are you? I even know about this case. You're clearly blinded by your bias hence the name DENVER-BOY. Read the article kid. JR Smith ran around one car sitting at the stop sign so he could illegally shoot through the intersection and instead got into a car accident killing his friend. Why is it so hard for you to see 30 days is way too lenient? I mean really? Were you even old enough when Jackson was releasing records?
exactly

toovey107
07-01-2009, 12:55 AM
****ing want to call BS on me , get the **** outta here

LE-SHAQ
07-01-2009, 12:59 AM
I agree it says alot about our country when two athletes actions cause human life to be taken and they get a slap on the wrist and Mike Vick is crucified for dog fighting.WOW

cmellofan15
07-01-2009, 01:05 AM
I still don't see how he was a thug before this but yes, this is terrible. I can't imagine how the family feels.

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 01:06 AM
J.R. Smith just went from thug to killer. Hope you get suspended u piece of ****

Says the guy with the pedophile in his sig.

skratcher
07-01-2009, 01:07 AM
well, Kobe raped somebody, he never went to jail. And he's got tattoos. he's a thug.

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:07 AM
OOOOOH, big deal! He has to live the rest of his life with the guilt of killing his friend.

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:08 AM
Says the guy with the pedophile in his sig.
haha , thats going to spark something

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:10 AM
Says the guy with the pedophile in his sig.

Thank you! I'm sick of hearing about Michael Jackson. Good riddance! Just one less child molestor in the world.

It's not like Smith was drunk. He made a mistake and killed his friend. I'm sure he's very remorseful.

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 01:11 AM
Says the guy with the pedophile in his sig.

i'm not even gonna respond to that idiotic comment. I guess not all mods are smart.

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 01:11 AM
I'm being opportunistic about a guy who decides to run a stop sign on purpose which results in a car accident and the death of his friend?

Yeah, I do. I think if the same accident had just happened to happen with, say, Trevor Ariza behind the wheel, I don't hink you - and I should also say that it's not only you, but other posters here too, had it been a player from their team - would not be going off so full of spitfire and tenacious glee in bashing the guy. So yeah, I think a lot of what's going on here is people reveling in another chance to go bombastic on J.R. It's way over the top.

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:11 AM
well, Kobe raped somebody, he never went to jail. And he's got tattoos. he's a thug.

Nice first post. LOL

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 01:12 AM
i'm not even gonna respond to that idiotic comment. I guess not all mods are smart.

You just did.

Draco
07-01-2009, 01:12 AM
I agree it says alot about our country when two athletes actions cause human life to be taken and they get a slap on the wrist and Mike Vick is crucified for dog fighting.WOW

Well, Vick got what he deserved within the limits of the law and probably deserved more. I'm not sure whether the prosecutors in JR's case were lazy or if JR's case didn't fit the criteria for more serious charges. I wish I knew because offhand JR looks guilty as sin of having killed his friend.

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 01:14 AM
You just did.

how so?

But oh well only nuggets fans would protect a killer.

cmellofan15
07-01-2009, 01:14 AM
You just did.

Lmao, talk about idiotic comments :laugh:

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:15 AM
the fact that he has a laundry list of traffic violations and tickets , risking many lives in the process should warrant a harsher sentence

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:16 AM
JR smith is serving the same amount of days as Donte Stallworth. Stallworth was intoxicated. JR Smith was not.

TheCooLKid2020
07-01-2009, 01:17 AM
Most cases like this Give between 2 months to a year... Some cases just Community service

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:18 AM
The mother of Andre Bell, the friend of Smith's who was killed, does not want Smith to go to jail or be punished at all. She said smith was a very nice boy after the death of her son.

TheCooLKid2020
07-01-2009, 01:18 AM
how so?

But oh well only nuggets fans would protect a killer.

You said I guess not all mods are smart ha That responding

cmellofan15
07-01-2009, 01:18 AM
how so?

But oh well only nuggets fans would protect a killer.

You replied by clicking that little quote button

Nobody was denying that someone was killed out of his stupidity but calling him a killer and a thug is a bigger claim than calling Mike a pedophile

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:19 AM
JR smith is serving the same amount of days as Donte Stallworth. Stallworth was intoxicated. JR Smith was not.
we all know stallworth's is a complete joke

Draco
07-01-2009, 01:19 AM
JR smith is serving the same amount of days as Donte Stallworth. Stallworth was intoxicated. JR Smith was not.

Yeah.. the law aside. Does it really matter whether a person is responsible for a death because he was intoxicated and reckless rather than sober and reckless? One way or the other the driver is responsible.

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:19 AM
He ran a stop sign! Albert Haynesworth was driving over 100 mph. Donte Stallworth was drunk and killed a man. You guys don't see the difference?

S.J.Basketball
07-01-2009, 01:21 AM
Yeah, I do. I think if the same accident had just happened to happen with, say, Trevor Ariza behind the wheel, I don't hink you - and I should also say that it's not only you, but other posters here too, had it been a player from their team - would not be going off so full of spitfire and tenacious glee in bashing the guy. So yeah, I think a lot of what's going on here is people reveling in another chance to go bombastic on J.R. It's way over the top.

If Trevor did that he'd be dead to me. If anyone on the Warriors or Lakers did that I'd write them off fast. I'd actually be hurt too because I'm fans of those teams. Hell I was hurt when McGuire pretty much indicated to everyone he was taking steroids in congress and tarnished his legacy, but I wrote that guy too. That kind of behavior is inexcusable and needs to be punished severely. Stern doesn't have the balls to do what the NFL does which is pretty much suspend and ban morons from playing the game in order to maintain it's integrity.

Besides a ban in the league I'd want Ariza to suffer a harsher sentence than 30 days I can tell you that much. Especially if he had a history of bad driving including one other accident. I'm not using it as an opportunity, but I rarely get into back and forth responses on here as much as I have in this thread. I'm pretty sick of athletes getting preferential treatment because of who they are and this seems to be the case.

Draco
07-01-2009, 01:21 AM
He ran a stop sign! Albert Haynesworth was driving over 100 mph. Donte Stallworth was drunk and killed a man. You guys don't see the difference?

JR manuevered around a car that was stopped at that stop sign. And for what reason?

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:22 AM
Yeah.. the law aside. Does it really matter whether a person is responsible for a death because he was intoxicated and reckless rather than sober and reckless? One way or the other the driver is responsible.

Are you serious????? Are unicorns real? Yes, there is a difference between being intoxicated and being sober.

Draco
07-01-2009, 01:23 AM
Are you serious????? Are unicorns real? Yes, there is a difference between being intoxicated and being sober.

There's no difference between being reckless in either case in terms of responsibility for someones death. Maybe not in a legal context but as a matter of pure logic.

TheCooLKid2020
07-01-2009, 01:24 AM
I don't think its so much as stars... But people with money... We should be mad at how the Justice system works with People that have money and people that don't.... It's not star treatment.... Maybe in some cases but most it's just money

Pornstar86
07-01-2009, 01:25 AM
J.R. Smith just went from thug to killer. Hope you get suspended u piece of ****

first of all this didn't just happen...this happened 2 years ago....this proves that you don't know anything about it but you call someone a thug and a killer...that's ********

S.J.Basketball
07-01-2009, 01:25 AM
He ran a stop sign! Albert Haynesworth was driving over 100 mph. Donte Stallworth was drunk and killed a man. You guys don't see the difference?

Let me break it down for you. Stallworth aka scumbag decided to drink and drive. Being drunk hindered his decision making and also his reaction time and really his ability to just drive. Results were the death of another person because he was stupid. He should be in jail for a LONG time, but justice was not served here.

Smith was sober on the other hand with a history of bad driving and another accident. The "I was drunk" excuse won't work for him. He knowingly ran around another car at the stop sign and made the decision to risk his life, his passengers life, and others by trying to speed through the intersection. The result was an accident and his friend gets killed. He should also be in jail for a long time, but again justice was not served.

And really...not a huge difference between the two.

Draco
07-01-2009, 01:26 AM
I don't think its so much as stars... But people with money... We should be mad at how the Justice system works with People that have money and people that don't.... It's not star treatment.... Maybe in some cases but most it's just money

Comparing JR's shenanigans to drunk driving.. I think it's a matter of there being more drunks on the road than idiots who have no regard for other people's lives when sober. I think the drunk driving laws are what they are because of frequency. So yeah, it's unfair.. but it is what it is.

Pornstar86
07-01-2009, 01:29 AM
all the michael jackson defenders are in denial...this guy had a children's park for little kids, had kids in his room without the parents, and had obvious mental issues, including pedophilia...but god rest his soul cuz his the king of pop? you guys are idiots

i guess since he wasn't a thug he doesn't deserve any punishment...

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:30 AM
He ran a stop sign! Albert Haynesworth was driving over 100 mph. Donte Stallworth was drunk and killed a man. You guys don't see the difference?
look at his past driving record

he shows no regard for the law or for innocent citizens

zambo4president
07-01-2009, 01:31 AM
Being locked up ****ing sucks.

KnicksWin
07-01-2009, 01:31 AM
Wow wtf? He runs a stop sign and the passenger who he's responsible for because he is the one driving is KILLED and he gets 30 days and community service?? Wow. Unbelievably light sentence. I had no idea he had done any of this. What a piece of garbage.

He should be suspended indefinetly like the football player...Stallworth was it? Playing pro ball is a privilege in my opinion and because you're held to a higher standard for getting paid millions to play a game these kind of actions should be looked at as a league ban. I mean he got someone KILLED and it was his fault for running through the stop sign. He gets to live on making millions while his friend is dead. Wow. Total injustice right there....

I was about to go on a rant calling you judgemental and try to defend J.R. because anyone can make a mistake. I was going to say that his true punishment was knowing he caused the accident to kill his friend. BUT, then I read the article...

Smith admitted to driving through a stop sign and hitting a car in the accident that killed 21-year-old Andre Bell. The collision threw Bell and Smith from the SUV as both were not wearing seat belts. Bell died due to head injuries, while Smith suffered a sprained left shoulder.

Smith was charged with reckless driving among other violations. According to the Star-Ledger, at the time of the accident Smith had 27 points and five suspensions on his driver's license. The newspaper reports between the accident and October 2008 Smith racked up two more speeding tickets and three more suspensions.
http://www.seattlepi.com/scorecard/nbanews.asp?articleID=194010

The first bold - they both should have been wearing seatbelts, they would have saved his friend's life. He is really stupid because it could have killed him or at least cost him his career, the on thing he is supposed to do is keep his body healthy. I am in the Air Force and we get grilled about seat belts. If we die from an accident without our seatbelts on our families do not get paid...

The second bold is the fact that he HAS STILL NOT LEARNED HIS LESSON!!! Why is this IDIOT still driving at all? Two more speeding tickets and three more suspensions? He is truly among one of the most ignorant people on this planet. An accident KILLLED your friend and you are still breaking speed limits? If I was the team owner I would hire a driver for him and FORBID him to drive as long as he played for me.

Pornstar86
07-01-2009, 01:33 AM
so because it was his friend and he has to live with this is enough punishment??? yall cant be serious at all. I been to jail for years and dont wish nobody in this forum or anywhere else to be in there but i seen alot of people in there for dumb **** and then child molesters and **** get a slap on the wrist. All im saying is make it fair to everybody, we should be treated diff depending on our status and how much money we have. I been around people in this exact same situation that are doing time still he clearly got off because who he is. I know he will have to live with this but eventually he will get over it, trust me!! yes it was an accident but that dont mean 30 days and community service but then MIKE VICK gets a year for dog fighting, LIL kim gets a year for lying to a judge, i mean we can go on for days about this but the bottom line is when u take a human life whether its an accident or not YOU should be punished. and this aint punishment, he will get the best treatment and wont be in regular population once he does go to jail. But hey this is our "system" guess we gotta live with it, so everybody better become famous so we can get away with whatever we want.

both dog fighting and perjury are felonies, running a stop sign and getting into an accident is not

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:35 AM
I think we can all agree on one thing. Being a celebrity, but mainly being someone with a some cheddar, can get away with something that the average joe can't.

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:35 AM
I was about to go on a rant calling you judgemental and try to defend J.R. because anyone can make a mistake. I was going to say that his true punishment was knowing he caused the accident to kill his friend. BUT, then I read the article...

Smith admitted to driving through a stop sign and hitting a car in the accident that killed 21-year-old Andre Bell. The collision threw Bell and Smith from the SUV as both were not wearing seat belts. Bell died due to head injuries, while Smith suffered a sprained left shoulder.

Smith was charged with reckless driving among other violations. According to the Star-Ledger, at the time of the accident Smith had 27 points and five suspensions on his driver's license. The newspaper reports between the accident and October 2008 Smith racked up two more speeding tickets and three more suspensions.
http://www.seattlepi.com/scorecard/nbanews.asp?articleID=194010

The first bold - they both should have been wearing seatbelts, they would have saved his friend's life. He is really stupid because it could have killed him or at least cost him his career, the on thing he is supposed to do is keep his body healthy. I am in the Air Force and we get grilled about seat belts. If we die from an accident without our seatbelts on our families do not get paid...

The second bold is the fact that he HAS STILL NOT LEARNED HIS LESSON!!! Why is this IDIOT still driving at all? Two more speeding tickets and three more suspensions? He is truly among one of the most ignorant people on this planet. An accident KILLLED your friend and you are still breaking speed limits? If I was the team owner I would hire a driver for him and FORBID him to drive as long as he played for me.
exactly what ive been trying to say , this guy hasnt learned his lesson and people should not be defending him. this sentence is ridiculous in my eyes.

i mean honestly, he's the guy when you're driving on the highway who is maneuvering in and out at ridiculous speeds. and i always say to myself , i hope that guy crashes right into the median.

he has constantly put others in danger , and finally he killed someone

ElMarroAfamado
07-01-2009, 01:36 AM
good for him
atleast hes alive

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:36 AM
look at his past driving record

he shows no regard for the law or for innocent citizens

Kobe has no regard for some white *****.

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:37 AM
It's out of our hands. Write your state senator or local congressman/woman. Sucks for the innocent.

Pornstar86
07-01-2009, 01:37 AM
this just in on espn...stallworth tested positive for weed after his accident...so he was drunk and high...great combo

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 01:37 AM
all the michael jackson defenders are in denial...this guy had a children's park for little kids, had kids in his room without the parents, and had obvious mental issues, including pedophilia...but god rest his soul cuz his the king of pop? you guys are idiots

i guess since he wasn't a thug he doesn't deserve any punishment...

so im guessing u were one of the kids?

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:38 AM
^^^^^ do you even know what this thread is about???

hmmm.....JR Smith going to jail for killing his friend, Andre Bell, after running a stop sign in new jersey. Don't question my knowledge.

S.J.Basketball
07-01-2009, 01:39 AM
So after the accident he racked up two more points and three more suspensions??!?!?!?! Wow someone throw this kid in jail for a long time. He's going to get someone else killed. You know what it also shows? NO REMORSE! You'd figure after killing a friend you would take it easy. Guess not. Douchebag to the max that deserves whatever bad is coming to him. Good post KnicksWin. I didn't even see that.

Draco
07-01-2009, 01:40 AM
Ok.. so a lot of people are complaining about the sentence but what about the charges?


In this incident, Smith was charged with of improper passing, failure to stop at a stop sign, reckless driving, speeding and failure to wear a seat belt, but mercifully not of vehicular homicide. He also failed to appear in court for his first hearing back in January, drawing a further fine.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/06/jr-smith-sentenced-to-at-least-30-days-in-jail.html

My question is.. why didn't JR's episode fit the criteria for vehicular homicide? Where's blackjack_119 when you need a legal opinion...

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:41 AM
Exactly , do you guys not understand that after his friend died he has continued to drive wrecklessly. i mean thats ridiculous.

how does he still have a ****ing license?

**** JR Smith

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:42 AM
Albert Haynesworth put some guy in the IC for crashing into him at over 100mph. What happens a few weeks later? He gets caught speeding in excess of 100mph. Deal with it! They can get away with it. Like I said, write your state senator or local congressman if you have a problem with this. Otherwise, go ahead and get arthritis in your fingers from this thread.

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:43 AM
Exactly , do you guys not understand that after his friend died he has continued to drive wrecklessly. i mean thats ridiculous.

how does he still have a ****ing license?

**** JR Smith

He doesn't have a license.

Draco
07-01-2009, 01:44 AM
Like I said, write your state senator or local congressman if you have a problem with this. Otherwise, go ahead and get arthritis in your fingers from this thread.

Those dudes make the laws.. they don't enforce them or try the case in court.

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:45 AM
He doesn't have a license.
he shouldnt have been allowed to drive a long time even before that incident

S.J.Basketball
07-01-2009, 01:45 AM
Ok.. so a lot of people are complaining about the sentence but what about the charges?


http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/2009/06/jr-smith-sentenced-to-at-least-30-days-in-jail.html

My question is.. why didn't JR's episode fit the criteria for vehicular homicide? Where's blackjack_119 when you need a legal opinion...

You know what my wife is in school to become an attorney and has taken a load of law classes and such. I'm waking her *** up right now and solving this!!!!

That's total BS with the charges though. So he's charged with reckless driving, but NOT any kind of vehicular manslaughter charges? Wow.

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 01:47 AM
You know what my wife is in school to become an attorney and has taken a load of law classes and such. I'm waking her *** up right now and solving this!!!!

That's total BS with the charges though. So he's charged with reckless driving, but NOT any kind of vehicular manslaughter charges? Wow.

so much for justice :pity:

KobeOwnSU
07-01-2009, 01:49 AM
seriously...it was a car accident..when that happens to me, someone gets a ticket, i switch information with the other driver, and go home, not to jail...if his friend was wearing a seat belt, he would still be here....not smith's fault....how is he a thug and a piece of **** for getting into an ACCIDENT? you guys just sound ******** as hell for calling him a thug cuz he has a lot of tattoos

It is the responsibility of the driver to have all the people within their car secure. Why do you think the driver gets the ticket when they get pulled over for a passenger not having a seatbelt? Therefore it was Smith's fault that his friend died, for one he ran the stop sign and for two he did not make sure the passenger had his seat belt on. And i do not think anybody is calling him a thug because he has tattoos, whether he has tattoos or not he was neglegent and irresponsible and his actions caused the death of a human being. Only getting 30 days for this is ridiculous whether he is famous or if he were just another person.

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:52 AM
some of your guys responses to this are unreal

so much for justice

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:53 AM
Those dudes make the laws.. they don't enforce them or try the case in court.

Exactly, they make the laws and can lobby for stricter punishments for repeat offenders and vehicular manslaughter cases.

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 01:55 AM
some of your guys responses to this are unreal

so much for justice

it's like the people that are protecting R Kelly, excuse for it, they use "The girl didn't move!" :laugh2:

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 01:57 AM
it's like the people that are protecting R Kelly, excuse for it, they use "The girl didn't move!" :laugh2:

Wait just a minute! Just because they have R. Kelly having sex with underage girls on video doesn't mean R. Kelly had sex with underage girls.

toovey107
07-01-2009, 01:57 AM
it's like the people that are protecting R Kelly, excuse for it, they use "The girl didn't move!" :laugh2:

:laugh: i still cannot believe he peed on someone.

makes me think of dave chapelle everytime

dodgers310
07-01-2009, 01:58 AM
Let me break it down for you. Stallworth aka scumbag decided to drink and drive. Being drunk hindered his decision making and also his reaction time and really his ability to just drive. Results were the death of another person because he was stupid. He should be in jail for a LONG time, but justice was not served here.

Smith was sober on the other hand with a history of bad driving and another accident. The "I was drunk" excuse won't work for him. He knowingly ran around another car at the stop sign and made the decision to risk his life, his passengers life, and others by trying to speed through the intersection. The result was an accident and his friend gets killed. He should also be in jail for a long time, but again justice was not served.

And really...not a huge difference between the two.



Exactly

Rocktonicjuice3
07-01-2009, 02:00 AM
The guy blows a stop sign...and he is judged as a pathetic no good F'n loser? Could he possibly have known that his friend would die? **** happens. Why don't you haters take a good look in the mirror and reflect on your own mistakes in life instead of criticize some paid athlete that made a mistake that anyone else could make. I know people that have gotten away with a lot more. Michael Jackson molested multiple children...how many days did he serve??

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 02:00 AM
:laugh: i still cannot believe he peed on someone.

makes me think of dave chapelle everytime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9USqGsV9gk8

JJ_JKidd
07-01-2009, 02:02 AM
I'm not trying to defend his actions. I'm just describing on page 1 of the thread what will inevitably follow throughout the rest of the thread. Because every thread at PSD about J.R. Smith is only about one thing: bashing him. I'm just saying that that's the only place this thread is going.

If that was your mother or your father or your brother or your sister who was killed then youd probably react differently. Oh wait, maybe you drive like JR Smith so its okay for you what he has done.

I understand that people always bash JR but, dont we have some BASIS to do so?

Man if you tell me JKidd's a freakin wife beater its okay with me, no defending him here. Because thats a FACT.

Draco
07-01-2009, 02:02 AM
More fun reading... so why did the grand jury decide against criminal charges? Why didn't the crime details fit the criteria for vehicular manslaughter?


The 90-day imprisonment, to be served in Monmouth County jail in Freehold Township, and a $500 fine were the maximum Smith could have received after pleading guilty to one count of reckless driving. The maximum penalties related to this being his second reckless driving conviction — he had another from 2005.

The judge, also, suspended Smith's driver's license for two years. Because his license is already suspended until March 2010, the judge ordered the new suspension to begin then.


A county grand jury declined to indict Smith on any criminal charge. So, the case was remanded to municipal court here in December.


(67-plus mph in a 35 mph area)


On Tuesday, Smith told the court he was speeding, which he estimated at about 50 mph, when he came upon a car stopped at the stop sign. He said he was slowing down and went around the car to avoid it, but was unable to stop before the intersection because of loose gravel.

"I didn't think I was going to get to the intersection," said Smith, explaining he thought he could stop in time.

"This was a very unfortunate situation," Hexstall said. "This was an accident. There was no intent on Mr. Smith's part to cause injury."

But Smith took responsibility for the accident.

"It wasn't just careless," Gelson said. "It was reckless."

http://www.app.com/article/20090630/NEWS/90701002/Nuggets--J.R.-Smith-gets-jail-in-Millstone-crash

toovey107
07-01-2009, 02:02 AM
The guy blows a stop sign...and he is judged as a pathetic no good F'n loser? Could he possibly have known that his friend would die? **** happens. Why don't you haters take a good look in the mirror and reflect on your own mistakes in life instead of criticize some paid athlete that made a mistake that anyone else could make. I know people that have gotten away with a lot more. Michael Jackson molested multiple children...how many days did he serve??
nice first post ....

congrats

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 02:02 AM
the guy blows a stop sign...and he is judged as a pathetic no good f'n loser? Could he possibly have known that his friend would die? **** happens. Why don't you haters take a good look in the mirror and reflect on your own mistakes in life instead of criticize some paid athlete that made a mistake that anyone else could make. I know people that have gotten away with a lot more. Michael jackson molested multiple children...how many days did he serve??

great first post!!!! Welcome to psd

IversonIsKrazy
07-01-2009, 02:03 AM
wow, he kiled his cousin in a reckless car accident, and only gets 30 days, im surprised he hasnt started to do drugs to take away the pain.

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 02:03 AM
The guy blows a stop sign...and he is judged as a pathetic no good F'n loser? Could he possibly have known that his friend would die? **** happens. Why don't you haters take a good look in the mirror and reflect on your own mistakes in life instead of criticize some paid athlete that made a mistake that anyone else could make. I know people that have gotten away with a lot more. Michael Jackson molested multiple children...how many days did he serve??

It's a comment like this that shows how low civilization has gone.

Draco
07-01-2009, 02:03 AM
The guy blows a stop sign...and he is judged as a pathetic no good F'n loser? Could he possibly have known that his friend would die? **** happens.

Yeah, **** does happen when you're driving 67 in a 35.

S.J.Basketball
07-01-2009, 02:07 AM
The guy blows a stop sign...and he is judged as a pathetic no good F'n loser? Could he possibly have known that his friend would die? **** happens. Why don't you haters take a good look in the mirror and reflect on your own mistakes in life instead of criticize some paid athlete that made a mistake that anyone else could make. I know people that have gotten away with a lot more. Michael Jackson molested multiple children...how many days did he serve??

I could go on for days here, but I'll bite my tongue and just say welcome to the forums and congrats on your first post.

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 02:08 AM
wow, he kiled his cousin in a reckless car accident, and only gets 30 days, im surprised he hasnt started to do drugs to take away the pain.

Cousin?

cmellofan15
07-01-2009, 02:10 AM
wow, he kiled his cousin in a reckless car accident, and only gets 30 days, im surprised he hasnt started to do drugs to take away the pain.

Oh like these drugs?

http://www.newser.com/archive-sports-news/1G1-68507270/allen-iverson-arrested-on-drug-charge-on-i-64-nba-top-rookie-from-hampton-was-a-passenger-in-his.html

Rocktonicjuice3
07-01-2009, 02:22 AM
and I'm sure half of you would defend MJ over JR. Such a subtle difference of felonies...

WoodbridgeSkins
07-01-2009, 02:25 AM
and I'm sure half of you would defend MJ over JR. Such a subtle difference of felonies...

Since his first post, I really like this guy a lot. Great points!

Pau for Geico
07-01-2009, 02:33 AM
Well, you gotta consider the circumstances.

1. Both were probably drunk.
2. It wasn't just J.R that ran it, I bet his "cousin" was screaming GO ! too.
3. **** does happen :/
4. J.R never MEANT to end a life.

But nonetheless, none of these excuse his actions,& he got away with a hugely light sentence :pity:

Rocktonicjuice3
07-01-2009, 02:38 AM
thanks Woodbridge...and the guilt with killing his friend is enough to deal with. He doesn't need people calling him a scumbag and saying he needs life in prison. If he was included on his friends life insurance...then I would suspect him for wrong doing.

Draco
07-01-2009, 02:40 AM
Well, you gotta consider the circumstances.

1. Both were probably drunk.
2. It wasn't just J.R that ran it, I bet his "cousin" was screaming GO ! too.
3. **** does happen :/
4. J.R never MEANT to end a life.

But nonetheless, none of these excuse his actions,& he got away with a hugely light sentence :pity:

Most of those things you mentioned don't describe the circumstances. If he were drunk he would have been charged with DUI. He wasn't charged with DUI. JR ran the stop sign because he couldn't slow down in time to avoid it. The only thing you're right about is that he didn't mean to kill his friend. Intention might be (probably is) the reason why the charges weren't upgraded. As far as reckless driving is concerned.. the penalty should be much harshes than it apparently is.

Hawaii has a problem with with racing.. and I think (I'm not going to bother researching the details) the state upgraded it's laws to curtail the frequency of that particular crime. Again.. the only reason I think drunk driving has harsher penalties than reckless driving is that there are more drunks on the road than sober idiots who drive recklessly and who have no regard for other lives.

Draco
07-01-2009, 02:41 AM
thanks Woodbridge...and the guilt with killing his friend is enough to deal with. He doesn't need people calling him a scumbag and saying he needs life in prison. If he was included on his friends life insurance...then I would suspect him for wrong doing.

This post makes no sense.. but whatever.

I'm sure his friends family are comforted in the thought that JR might have finally learned his lesson.. :rolleyes:

cmellofan15
07-01-2009, 02:45 AM
This post makes no sense.. but whatever.

I'm sure his friends family are comforted in the thought that JR might have finally learned his lesson.. :rolleyes:

:laugh:

toovey107
07-01-2009, 02:59 AM
the guilt should play no role in this case at all and means nothing in court when it comes to serious wrong doings

and this sentence doesnt fit the crime , no matter who you are

Draco
07-01-2009, 03:03 AM
the guilt has nothing to do with this case at all and means nothing in court when it comes to serious wrong doings

and this sentence doesnt fit the crime , no matter who you are

How about this one...


Judge Charles B. Curry sentenced Meus to 15 years in prison, an almost unheard of punishment for falling asleep at the wheel and causing a fatal accident.
http://media.myfoxtampabay.com/investigates/small-town-justice.html

I'd really love to hear from someone who knows the law better than I do... (because I really don't know the law)

Or how about this one... a deputy who fell asleep at the wheel and killed 2 people.


Council is set to be sentenced later this month on two misdemeanor counts of vehicular manslaughter. He will be required to wear an electronic monitoring ankle bracelet for four months, perform 20 weeks of community service and to pay restitution to the victims' families.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_12524065?nclick_check=1

Rocktonicjuice3
07-01-2009, 03:06 AM
This is to Facedown and Facedown only....Civilization went to it's lowest when M. Jackson...no wait. Michael J. had his associates gather terminally ill kids so Michael J. can take advantage of them sexually....but let's stick to how big of a scum sucking loser J.R. Smith is.

zambo4president
07-01-2009, 03:08 AM
thanks Woodbridge...and the guilt with killing his friend is enough to deal with. He doesn't need people calling him a scumbag and saying he needs life in prison. If he was included on his friends life insurance...then I would suspect him for wrong doing.

:laugh: The judge is not going to buy into that ********.

Rocktonicjuice3
07-01-2009, 03:09 AM
hence why he will get 30 days

J-Relo
07-01-2009, 03:29 AM
happens...

Afridi786
07-01-2009, 03:31 AM
U guys act like he wanted his friend to die or if he was drunk and high. Could've happened to any one of us.

zsiddiqui23
07-01-2009, 04:09 AM
this thread is going nowhere...

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 04:31 AM
This is to Facedown and Facedown only....Civilization went to it's lowest when M. Jackson...no wait. Michael J. had his associates gather terminally ill kids so Michael J. can take advantage of them sexually....but let's stick to how big of a scum sucking loser J.R. Smith is.

I'm also guessing ur one of those kids? Damn that sucks dude :(

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 04:31 AM
this thread is going nowhere...

As I said on the first page, that's the only place it was ever going to go. Nowhere.

Draco
07-01-2009, 04:48 AM
At least the facts of the case were stated in the thread even though the laws aren't fully understood. If the thread went nowhere it's probably because some people want to describe JRs actions as "careless" rather than "reckless" and that it was an accident that could have "happened to anyone." Hmm.. when was the last time I drove 67 in a 35. Never.

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 04:56 AM
At least the facts of the case were stated in the thread even though the laws aren't fully understood. If the thread went nowhere it's probably because some people want to describe JRs actions as "careless" rather than "reckless" and that it was an accident that could have "happened to anyone." Hmm.. when was the last time I drove 67 in a 35. Never.

:laugh2:

Or maybe it's because Smith haters like you and S.J. were all too glad to get out the hammers and start whacking at him the first chance you got.

It's so obvious that that's what's going on. Both of you guys were bashing the hell out of him during the Lakers series. I mean, come guys, just admit it: You just don't like him, and you're finding it very satisfying to go on and on letting everyone know how much you feel that way.

I mean, am I really wrong about that? I'm not going to go back and dig up all your posts from the game threads, but it seems like more than just a slight coincidence that two of the more vocal J.R. bashers during the Lakers series just happen to be the ones riding him the hardest in this thread... :rolleyes:

cmellofan15
07-01-2009, 05:09 AM
I'm also guessing ur one of those kids? Damn that sucks dude :(

Just because someone finds pedophilia wrong you think they've been touched by Michael Jackson. Real mature cuntface.

Draco
07-01-2009, 05:12 AM
:laugh2:

Or maybe it's because Smith haters like you and S.J. were all too glad to get out the hammers and start whacking at him the first chance you got.

It's so obvious that that's what's going on. Both of you guys were bashing the hell out of him during the Lakers series. I mean, come guys, just admit it: You just don't like him, and you're finding it very satisfying to go on and on letting everyone know how much you feel that way.

I mean, am I really wrong about that? I'm not going to go back and dig up all your posts from the game threads, but it seems like more than just a slight coincidence that two of the more vocal J.R. bashers during the Lakers series just happen to be the ones riding him the hardest in this thread... :rolleyes:

Yeah, you're dead wrong. I was rooting hardcore for the Nuggets in their series against the Lakers. Aside from that series I had no interest in the Nuggets or JR. It'd be a good idea if you did look up game threads because you wouldn't find a single post to support your accusation.

I'm one of the people riding him the hardest because what started as a reasonable assumption that JR was aware he ran a stop sign became confirmed as fact when I did a little of my own digging. I also wanted to challenge the various posts in which people made unreasonable assumptions or created their own version of events.

JR is solely responsible for his friends death because he was reckless.. but according to you there's a big difference between that and suggesting that he killed his friend. A concise way to put it is that JR killed his friend... call me a "hater" for that if you like. If he didn't kill his friend but rather "caused the death of his friend.." well, maybe putting it in those terms makes you a "fan boy".

FaceDown91
07-01-2009, 05:17 AM
Just because someone finds pedophilia wrong you think they've been touched by Michael Jackson. Real mature cuntface.

hmmmm. nah too easy.

Draco
07-01-2009, 05:21 AM
There's the missing piece I was looking for. JR's one lucky bastard.


Wanda Bell told investigators she did not want Smith to be prosecuted criminally because her family wants closure. After a grand jury declined to indict Smith in October, his case was sent to municipal court for resolution of the motor vehicle summonses.
http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2009/06/denver_nuggets_guard_jr_smith.html

icon1914
07-01-2009, 05:43 AM
Just because someone finds pedophilia wrong you think they've been touched by Michael Jackson. Real mature cuntface.

This thread is all over the place....

The first kid, in 93 i think, got paid off. If some scumbag touched my son I would not take a damn settlement to leave it alone. I would try to kill that bastard, if I could not I would fight him in court till my last breath.

With one family taking a settlement, and Jackson being acquitted of the other charges I have to say its not so cut and dry for me to call him guilty. I have doubt. MJ was a very strange and disturbed man. A grown man sleeping in the bed with children is just wrong anywhere you look at it... but I'm not sure he molested those kids.

As for JR... His sentence is a bit light, but this is America... the place where money can buy justice. I don't think he should have been given some huge sentence though. He is a young man that made a foolish choice. Maybe the penalty could have been stiffer, but I'm not sure what that would have accomplished.

If the passenger was wearing his seat belt most likely he would still be here. If no one was killed in the accident this would not even be a thread. It was a mistake. A careless one, but a mistake none the less.

junion
07-01-2009, 06:16 AM
U guys act like he wanted his friend to die or if he was drunk and high. Could've happened to any one of us.

it's true, it could happen to any one of us....

...but would the 30 days + community service happen to any one of us?

it's a serious question... because i would like to know how one would get that if they were not rich and/or famous.

cmellofan15
07-01-2009, 06:55 AM
JR can't help that he only got 30 days, the problem is now the justice system since he got off so easy.

LakersnDodgers
07-01-2009, 07:21 AM
He should be going to jail just on that ******** dance celebrating against the Lakers! dude is an idiot....put this thug away for life! one-less piece of crap on the streets......i hope someone in jail makes him his b**ch

S-Dot
07-01-2009, 07:32 AM
He has stated his remorse for this accident, which killed a friend of his...yes, he made a tremendously stupid mistake and his punishment may not be as harsh as it should be. but he is going through times dealing with this as well; he caused the death of his friend. he needs help at this time, not bashing and criticism.

Tom81
07-01-2009, 07:32 AM
good job JR

arkanian215
07-01-2009, 07:55 AM
slap on the wrist. if i killed my friend like that i dont think i'd get 90.

DenButsu
07-01-2009, 09:37 AM
Yeah, you're dead wrong. I was rooting hardcore for the Nuggets in their series against the Lakers. Aside from that series I had no interest in the Nuggets or JR. It'd be a good idea if you did look up game threads because you wouldn't find a single post to support your accusation.

Well if I was wrong about that, then I'm sorry. I lumped you in there with S.J., who definitely was doing plenty of J.R. bashing during the WCF, and it was a mistake for me to do that.

But still my larger point stands, imo, which is that J.R. is NBA fandom's new whipping boy, the new man they all love to hate, and a lot of people are gonna just use this sentencing (in a case that happened a long time ago and has already been :horse: 'd) to get their jollies off.



JR is solely responsible for his friends death because he was reckless.. but according to you there's a big difference between that and suggesting that he killed his friend. A concise way to put it is that JR killed his friend... call me a "hater" for that if you like. If he didn't kill his friend but rather "caused the death of his friend.." well, maybe putting it in those terms makes you a "fan boy".

I've been plenty critical of J.R. when it has been merited. He has done a lot of stupid crap, and I have no problem acknowledging that or even pointing it out myself (which I have done a lot of in the Nuggets forum, posting news about all his various shenanigans on a very consistent basis). And he's definitely not above criticism here, either. But the instant this news came out, it was a foregone conclusion that any thread about it would be much less of reasonable, rational discussion about the incident and its consequences, and a whole hell of a lot more of this (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9974390#post9974390).

NY15METS2006
07-01-2009, 10:20 AM
This situation is somewhat similar to David Wesley and his teammate years back. They were racing their porsches at over 100mph when his teammate crashed and was killed. Wesley was convicted of reckless driving but did not go to jail, like JR.

jrolfedrev
07-01-2009, 10:24 AM
Well, 30 days in jail can still be rough unless they send him to a minimum security prison. Regardless, payback can still happen though while inside the joint.

JWO35
07-01-2009, 11:31 AM
Only 30 days :pity:
I'm a big fan of JR but really only 30....

J-Relo
07-01-2009, 11:40 AM
it happened 2 years ago ?...

BALLER71
07-01-2009, 11:48 AM
:yawn:

Let the bashfest begin.

I'll help you out, guys, and save you some time:

"He's such a thug!"

"He's such a punk!"

"He's a piece of ****!"

"He sucks!"


Repeat ad nausem for about 8 thread pages.
Well. It's true this time.

heatbb
07-01-2009, 11:59 AM
lol, here in Estonia a punk killed 3 people while driving drunk. He got 3 months for it and that's all.

Cali4rnia
07-01-2009, 12:40 PM
sorry to hear about someones death.. but i know cuban probably think the whole nuggets team should go to jail even.. some of their fans and some of the players mothers :D

ttam68
07-01-2009, 01:02 PM
This thread is little ridiculous to both extremes.

I don't think he should be punished simply because someone died, because, that part was an accident.

But, he should be punished for taking actions that increased the probability of someone dying immensely.

I think the only way to look at it is to say that all this happened but his friend was just injured. In that scenario, I think his record and the fact that he drove around another car in order to enter the intersection makes this a pretty significant act of stupidity. Its easy to say that there could be no accident, but its just as easy to say it was a school bus and everyone died.

30 days is a little low, but the 500 hours of community service isn't insignificant. Overall, I think this is pretty fair.

faze38
07-01-2009, 01:21 PM
It's funny how every person who comes into this thread is gonna talk **** about the man like they have never run a stop sign or passed someone when they shouldn't. I mean i see it every day on the highway by someone who is in a rush or just running late. So to call the man a thug and to bash him is just hypocritical. I mean this is tragic event to happen to any family in the world but we as adults all have the responsibilty to control what we can control. J.R.'s friend had the opportunity to buckle up and keep himself from being ejected from the car. The fact that he didn't is what lead to J.R. Smith being let off "lightly." I mean i send my condolences to the Andre Bell family but they both had the opportunity to protect eachother but they didn't. That's what lead to the young man's death. J.R. Smith is no thug, punk or POS. I mean leave the man alone i'm sure he already feels bad enough about the whole thing. If J.R. was high or drunk i would fully agree about the bashing and say "lets bash away," but that is not the case it was a dumb thing for him to pass the man and go threw the stop sign, but it was even dumbier for J.R. and Andre not to were their seatbelts and that is what caused Andre's death.

IBleedPurple
07-01-2009, 02:38 PM
it happened 2 years ago ?...

Yep, and now because of the judgement, all of a sudden people's opinions of JR change. When the day before the judgement, he was the same person as he is now. He is still young and maturing, and he has a long way to go.

That being said, his on-court play has matured the last 2 years, hopefully he continues that in all aspects of life

JordanPippen
07-01-2009, 02:51 PM
+1

If that person that got killed was a sibling/relative of mine, I'd kill Smith myself.

Why? You don't know the whole story. Its not like Smith deliberately killed his friend. Yea he ****ed up by not stopping at a stop sign, but it was an accident. I hate how some of you guys think just that because they're getting paid millions, athletes should be the holiest of people and held to the highest standard. This unfortunate event could have happened to anyone.

Now there are instances when celebrities get off lightly on some stupid ****, but having your friend die as a result of your actions is punishment enough, and i'm sure jr. feels terrible about it

markhebert42
07-01-2009, 03:00 PM
:yawn:

Let the bashfest begin.

I'll help you out, guys, and save you some time:

"He's such a thug!"

"He's such a punk!"

"He's a piece of ****!"

"He sucks!"


Repeat ad nausem for about 8 thread pages.

Good, I didn't think you would agree.