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detroitsports22
06-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Who do you think is better? Big hype about Tex so far this season, but I think Cabrera has the edge.

Lincecum4CY
06-26-2009, 01:32 AM
IMO i'd rather have Cabrera.

MSU Spartans313
06-26-2009, 01:41 AM
Miguel Cabrera now and in the future he has more potential, will end up one of the best 1B in MLB history!!!

x_notorious
06-26-2009, 02:56 AM
Cabrera: Higher AVG & OBP
Tex: More HR's + RBI's, higher SLG, OPS and OPS+

Defensively, Tex has the edge per UZR/150.

I'll take Tex.

ShinobiNYC
06-26-2009, 08:34 AM
Tex is a better all-around player and a much better player on defense.

Rylinkus
06-26-2009, 09:52 AM
Miguel Cabrera now and in the future he has more potential, will end up one of the best 1B in MLB history!!!

Um, Albert Pujols disagrees


Tex is a better all-around player and a much better player on defense.

They have VERY similar offensive production. I guess it depends on how you define better. I think I'd prefer Teixera. He's a switch hitter, a better fielder, and I have more faith that he'll stay in shape going forward.

That said, their career wOBA are identical.

Matt-the-great
06-26-2009, 10:04 AM
have to take defense into account and take Tex

Zep
06-26-2009, 10:08 AM
This is really close. I guess I'd take Teix. Like Rylinkus said, their offensive production is very close.

Career (majors) numbers

wOBA
Teixeira: .390
Cabrera: .389
Pujols: .436

SLG
Teixeira: .544
Cabrera: .542
Pujols: .628

AVG
Teixeira: .289
Cabrera: .311
Pujols: .334

K%
Teixeira: 20.1
Cabrera: 21.2
Pujols: 11.1

BABIP
Teixeira: .309
Cabrera: .350
Pujols: .321

RBI
Teixeira: 733
Cabrera: 696
Pujols: 1047

HR
Teixeira: 223
Cabrera: 190
Pujols: 345

UZR/150 (1B)
Teixeira: 2.2
Cabrera: -1.3
Pujols: 6.1

Edit: Added Pujols for comparison.....good lord he is a beast.

Rylinkus
06-26-2009, 10:17 AM
I truly expected one of them to be clearly better. And there really isn't a great deal of distinction between the 2 offensively.

todu82
06-26-2009, 10:21 AM
Tex

atl_braves_fan
06-26-2009, 10:41 AM
Tex ... especially when you factor in defense. He has made the Yankees infield much better.

Burkey3472
06-26-2009, 11:42 AM
Ill take Tex, they are pretty similar on the offensive side, but Tex pulls out ahead with his strong D.

bartoron
06-26-2009, 12:28 PM
I voted for Miguel Cabrera, but after taking defense into consideration I guess Teixeira has the slight edge. They're very close offensively and they're both fairly young. Mark Teixeira is 29, and Cabrera is listed at 26. However, a lot of foreign players lie about their age so he could really be a little older.

detroitsports22
06-26-2009, 12:39 PM
Since moving to 1st base last season, Cabrera has settled in more than nicely. He has made unbelievable plays, and only a few errors, maybe none I don't recall any.

atl_braves_fan
06-26-2009, 01:31 PM
Since moving to 1st base last season, Cabrera has settled in more than nicely. He has made unbelievable plays, and only a few errors, maybe none I don't recall any.

Actually, he made 9 last year and has made 4 this year.

Tex made 5 last year (in more games) and hasn't yet made an error this year. Also, errors are sometimes misleading because you don't get an error unless you touch the ball, so if you just don't get to as many balls because of less range (Cabrera) your errors are going to be understated compared to the guy with better range (Tex).

Either way, any stat that you care to look at, Tex is a much better defender that Cabrera.

detroitsports22
06-26-2009, 01:45 PM
Actually, he made 9 last year and has made 4 this year.

Tex made 5 last year (in more games) and hasn't yet made an error this year. Also, errors are sometimes misleading because you don't get an error unless you touch the ball, so if you just don't get to as many balls because of less range (Cabrera) your errors are going to be understated compared to the guy with better range (Tex).

Either way, any stat that you care to look at, Tex is a much better defender that Cabrera.

Well of course, I won't argue the truth, but Cabby IS getting better.

atl_braves_fan
06-26-2009, 03:25 PM
^ fair enough - I can buy that. Unfortunately I don't get to see him much where I live - I remember watching him on the Marlins, however, and thinking that he was in the top few young players that you would build your team around if you could.

MSU Spartans313
06-26-2009, 05:22 PM
[QUOTE=Rylinkus;9918534]Um, Albert Pujols disagrees

I never said he would be THE best I said ONE of the best

MSU Spartans313
06-26-2009, 05:25 PM
Cabrera is also 3 or 4 years younger than Tex, he is going too be much better in the future. His defense has been spectacular as of late and his power is finally beggining to show up lately. And the average is still in 330's second behind Ichiro

sanfranfan1210
06-26-2009, 06:00 PM
I'd take tex

Jonathan2323
06-26-2009, 06:03 PM
Miggy. wish he was still on the Marlins

carson005
06-26-2009, 06:04 PM
The fielding and switch hitting sways my vote to Tex. But Miggy is a damn fine hitter

m26555
06-26-2009, 06:29 PM
You don't fear pitching to Teixeira like you do Cabrera.

Rylinkus
06-26-2009, 06:51 PM
Cabrera is also 3 or 4 years younger than Tex, he is going too be much better in the future. His defense has been spectacular as of late and his power is finally beggining to show up lately. And the average is still in 330's second behind Ichiro

There's 2 problems with the age argument as I see it. First, like many players from foreign countries, do we trust his age? He certainly wouldn't be the first guy to lie. And secondly, what condition will he keep himself in as he ages? I tend to trust Tex a bit more on the latter.


You don't fear pitching to Teixeira like you do Cabrera.


Based on? :eyebrow:

detroitsports22
06-26-2009, 07:32 PM
There's 2 problems with the age argument as I see it. First, like many players from foreign countries, do we trust his age? He certainly wouldn't be the first guy to lie. And secondly, what condition will he keep himself in as he ages? I tend to trust Tex a bit more on the latter.




Based on? :eyebrow:

Based on watching people pitch to each players daily. With somone on and any outs, no pitcher throws strikes to Cabby, I follow them daily

Rylinkus
06-26-2009, 08:04 PM
Based on watching people pitch to each players daily. With somone on and any outs, no pitcher throws strikes to Cabby, I follow them daily

Whose hitting behind Miguel? Whose hitting behind Tex?

NYsportsGuru
06-26-2009, 09:18 PM
Um, Albert Pujols disagrees





Pujols will be the BEST.
Cabrera will probably go down as one of the best...

Zep
06-26-2009, 09:49 PM
Based on watching people pitch to each players daily. With somone on and any outs, no pitcher throws strikes to Cabby, I follow them daily

No offense, because you seem like a very reasonable poster, but 1. he was asking what m26555 was basing his claims on, 2. Rylinkus's statement regarding who is hitting behind both hitters does have validity, and 3. while I don't doubt for a moment that you watch every pitch that goes to Cabrera on a daily basis, do you watch both the Tigers and the Yankees? Because if not, making a claim that "You don't fear pitching to Teixeira like you do Cabrera." would not be something that you can make empiracally or even anecdotaly.

If, on the other hand, you somehow manage to watch each and every Tigers and Yankee game every day then perhaps you have a point, although the possiblity of a bias is just as present as it would be had I said something to the effect of "Pitchers don't fear Cabrera the way that they fear Teixeira."

IMO the best thing to base your argument on is hard numbers. Who is to say what could happen in the future, but as of right now, I think the decision of who is better is an easy one.

MSU Spartans313
06-26-2009, 10:47 PM
[QUOTE=Rylinkus;9925187]There's 2 problems with the age argument as I see it. First, like many players from foreign countries, do we trust his age? He certainly wouldn't be the first guy to lie. And secondly, what condition will he keep himself in as he ages? I tend to trust Tex a bit more on the latter.

He is not lying about his age. Some people act like it happens with every other foreign player that enters the MLB. It may have happened with a handful of players in history, the only one I can name is Tejada. And thats your opinion if you trust Tex over Cabby, that is why this is one of the better debates on PSD. I still take Cabrera now and in the future.

detroitsports22
06-27-2009, 12:06 AM
No offense, because you seem like a very reasonable poster, but 1. he was asking what m26555 was basing his claims on, 2. Rylinkus's statement regarding who is hitting behind both hitters does have validity, and 3. while I don't doubt for a moment that you watch every pitch that goes to Cabrera on a daily basis, do you watch both the Tigers and the Yankees? Because if not, making a claim that "You don't fear pitching to Teixeira like you do Cabrera." would not be something that you can make empiracally or even anecdotaly.

If, on the other hand, you somehow manage to watch each and every Tigers and Yankee game every day then perhaps you have a point, although the possiblity of a bias is just as present as it would be had I said something to the effect of "Pitchers don't fear Cabrera the way that they fear Teixeira."

IMO the best thing to base your argument on is hard numbers. Who is to say what could happen in the future, but as of right now, I think the decision of who is better is an easy one.

Well I will admit, I may have went out on a limb by saying pitchers do not fear Tex as they do Cabby, but from what I have seen, which is a few games, they don't seem to. And to whoever asked, a few guys bat behind Miguel, anyone from Marcus Thames, Brandon Inge, or Curtis Granderson. No one too shaky, but easier to get out than Miguel.

carson005
06-27-2009, 12:10 AM
Based on watching people pitch to each players daily. With somone on and any outs, no pitcher throws strikes to Cabby, I follow them daily

Yet Tex walks almost twice as much, even with A-Rod hitting behind him.

Osiagledknarf
06-27-2009, 12:35 AM
If their offense is nearly identical, but Teixeira is clearly far superior to Cabrera defensively, how is this a debate?

Teixeira is a more well-rounded, all-around player.

whitesoxfan83
06-27-2009, 08:16 PM
This is actually a great one, props to the creator.

I gotta go with Tex now but by the slightest of margins

Give it two years and it will probly be Miggy.

Rylinkus
06-28-2009, 10:30 AM
I know, it really is a good discussion. The TS really came up with a decent combo.

koldjerky
06-29-2009, 01:57 AM
Tex.

SnoopRock
06-30-2009, 03:44 PM
Justin Morneau.

Rylinkus
06-30-2009, 06:30 PM
Justin Morneau.

Albert Pujols :eyebrow:

JAYZFAN9
06-30-2009, 06:48 PM
Cabrera is slightly better imo . Been in the league since 20 and has been a beast every year.. 3 years younger then Tex.. damn close comparison

detroitsports22
06-30-2009, 07:47 PM
Justin Morneau.

homer.

atl_braves_fan
07-01-2009, 11:33 AM
^^ I actually think that is a pretty good comparison to these two guys. Non-responsive to the thread maybe, but I don't see it as a homer vote.

Saint Brian
07-02-2009, 09:22 AM
Defense puts Tex over the top.

vick27m
07-02-2009, 12:28 PM
cabrera the guys is a beast

SnoopRock
07-03-2009, 02:19 PM
homer.

You started the thread you are the homer. You just wanted to see how much people like Miggy.

All three are very close to each other though.

MSU Spartans313
07-04-2009, 02:28 PM
This is one of the greatest debates i have seen on psd, but give it 2-3 years and it wont even be close.

detroitsports22
07-06-2009, 02:26 PM
You started the thread you are the homer. You just wanted to see how much people like Miggy.

All three are very close to each other though.

No, I did it because it is an obvious close race, and you know it. These are 2 of the top5 1st basemen in the league and are very comparable, the poll proves it. I don't give a **** if people like Miggy or not, that doesn't make a player good or bad.

Sportfan
07-08-2009, 02:46 PM
Miggy is the better offensive player but is bad defensivley.


there is a bigger gap between teix and migggy's D then there is their offense
ill take tex

MSU Spartans313
07-08-2009, 04:40 PM
Miggy is the better offensive player but is bad defensivley.


there is a bigger gap between teix and migggy's D then there is their offense
ill take tex

He isnt bad defensively and dont tell me how many errors he has that isnt the only factor that determines how good someone is on D

SnoopRock
07-15-2009, 03:50 PM
No, I did it because it is an obvious close race, and you know it. These are 2 of the top5 1st basemen in the league and are very comparable, the poll proves it. I don't give a **** if people like Miggy or not, that doesn't make a player good or bad.
Apparently it does, do you see the all-star voting every year.

Miggy should have got the nod over Pena.

Zep
07-15-2009, 04:21 PM
Apparently it does, do you see the all-star voting every year.

Miggy should have got the nod over Pena.

I think that had to do more with who was coaching than anything (to clarify, I'm not complaining, as I realize all managers do this)

MSU Spartans313
07-15-2009, 05:41 PM
I think that had to do more with who was coaching than anything (to clarify, I'm not complaining, as I realize all managers do this)

I was thinking the same thing, if Leyland is coaching Cabrera does get the nod over pena

x the game x
07-16-2009, 09:59 AM
cabrera by far,if he keeps his weight down he goes down as one of the all time best hitters

dodgernation
07-17-2009, 12:52 PM
i broke the tie 30-29 cabrera

Jim
07-19-2009, 11:41 AM
tex is superior defensively, 1/2 the game

degnor
07-19-2009, 05:59 PM
Tex plays defense. That decides it.