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randomness
06-24-2009, 05:39 PM
from these words:

1. monster
2. worst player ever
3. turtle
4. overpaid
5. overrated
6. small
7. big
8. old
9. injury-proned
10. young
11. has potential
12. superstar

Ron_Mexico
06-24-2009, 05:56 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Kwame Brown
3. turtle - Ilgauskas
4. overpaid - Zach Randolph
5. overrated - Derrick Rose
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-proned - Yao
10. young - Dwight Howard
11. has potential - Kevin Durant
12. superstar - LeBron

JJ81
06-24-2009, 06:05 PM
1. monster - Shaq
2. worst player ever - Smush
3. turtle - What?
4. overpaid - Jermaine O'neal
5. overrated - Paul Pierce
6. small - Aaron Brooks
7. big - Mbenga
8. old - Mutombo
9. injury-prone - Greg Oden
10. young - Kevin Durant
11. has potential - Bynum
12. superstar - Kobe

AI4MVP
06-24-2009, 06:14 PM
1. monster-shaq
2. worst player ever-mbenga
3. turtle
4. overpaid-zach randolph
5. overrated-Bynum
6. small-Earl Boykins(even tho he isnt in the NBA anymore)
7. big-Shaq
8. old-Bruce Bowen
9. injury-proned-Bynum/Oden
10. young-Ricky Rubio
11. has potential-DeMar Derozan
12. superstar-Kobe

theuuord
06-24-2009, 06:16 PM
1. monster LeBron
2. worst player ever my mom
3. turtle Dalembert
4. overpaid everyone in the NBA
5. overrated DeRozan
6. small Ty Lawson
7. big Kenny George
8. old Mutombo
9. injury-proned Oden
10. young Durant
11. has potential Durant
12. superstar Kobe

marlinsfan24
06-24-2009, 06:18 PM
1. monster-Shaq
2. worst player ever-Blount
3. turtle-Big Baby Davis
4. overpaid-every sports player
5. overrated-Lebron
6. small-AI
7. big-Shaq
8. old-Grant Hill
9. injury-proned-T-mac
10. young-Dwight
11. has potential-Durant
12. superstar-Wade :)

sacgiants1213
06-24-2009, 06:21 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Mikki Moore
3. turtle - Al Harrington
4. overpaid - Beno Udrih
5. overrated - Monta Ellis
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Tractor Traylor
8. old - Dikembe Mutombo
9. injury-proned - Tmac
10. young - Spencer Hawes
11. has potential - Donte Greene
12. superstar - Lebron

Vinny642
06-24-2009, 06:22 PM
from these words:

1. monster
2. worst player ever
3. turtle
4. overpaid
5. overrated
6. small
7. big
8. old
9. injury-proned
10. young
11. has potential
12. superstar

1. monster- cp3
2. worst player ever- idk kwame
3. turtle- shaq
4. overpaid- kenny thomas
5. overrated- hmmmm posey
6. small- nate robinson
7. big- dwight
8. old- mutumbo
9. injury-proned- bynum
10. young- rose
11. has potential- oj mayo ro wright
12. superstar- lebron

mikantsass
06-24-2009, 06:22 PM
1. monster- Dwight
2. worst player ever- Olowakandi
3. turtle- Zach Randolph
4. overpaid- all of the above and below
5. overrated- Pau Gasol
6. small- Aaron Brooks
7. big- Shaq
8. old- Dikembe
9. injury-proned- Yao, TMAC
10. young- Bynum
11. has potential- OJ Mayo
12. superstar- D Wade

Kouki_Monstah
06-24-2009, 06:22 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Kwame Brown
3. turtle - Ilgauskas
4. overpaid - Zach Randolph
5. overrated - Derrick Rose
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-proned - Yao
10. young - Dwight Howard
11. has potential - Kevin Durant
12. superstar - LeBron

Are you serious? His rookie numbers are better than Wade's, CP3's, Deron Williams, etc.

I sense you being banned soon with your name and such.

Vinny642
06-24-2009, 06:25 PM
Are you serious? His rookie numbers are better than Wade's, CP3's, Deron Williams, etc.

I sense you being banned soon with your name and such.

No they werent, they were pretty equal get your facts straight before u criticize someone

Quello scelto
06-24-2009, 06:34 PM
1. monster- Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever- Kwame Brown
3. turtle- Zach Randolph
4. overpaid- Terrel Owens
5. overrated- Pau Gasol
6. small- Nate
7. big- Big Baby
8. old- D. Fish
9. injury-proned- T-Mac
10. young- Ricky Rubio
11. has potential- Durant
12. superstar- Danillo Gallinari

xmoney328
06-24-2009, 06:37 PM
1. monster-Shaq
2. worst player ever-Blount
3. turtle-Big Baby Davis
4. overpaid-every sports player
5. overrated-Lebron
6. small-AI
7. big-Shaq
8. old-Grant Hill
9. injury-proned-T-mac
10. young-Dwight
11. has potential-Durant
12. superstar-Wade :)

Turtle Big Baby? for his size he can move.

tland22
06-24-2009, 06:38 PM
1. monster- LeBron
2. worst player ever- Darko!
3. turtle- Glen "Big Baby" Davis
4. overpaid- KENYON MARTIN...his pay is just gross
5. overrated-Bynum
6. small-Nate Robinson
7. big- Shaq
8. old- Dekembe Mutumbo
9. injury-proned- Yao
10. young- LeBron James
11. has potential- Kevin Durant
12. superstar- Chris Paul

bctgg27
06-24-2009, 06:41 PM
1. monster-Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever-Eduardo Najera
3. turtle- Al Harrington
4. overpaid- Brian Cardinal/Raef LaFrentz
5. overrated- Derrick Rose
6. small- Earl Boykins
7. big- Yao
8. old- Mutombo
9. injury-proned- Tracy McGrady
10. young- Ricky Rubio
11. has potential- Sean Williams
12. superstar- Kobe Bryant

BWBuffet
06-24-2009, 06:41 PM
from these words:

1. monster
2. worst player ever
3. turtle
4. overpaid
5. overrated
6. small
7. big
8. old
9. injury-proned
10. young
11. has potential
12. superstar


1. Monster - dwight
2. Worst - Olowokandi
3. Turtle - Mark Jackson (I used to call him turtleback Mark Jack)
4. Overpaid - Kwame Brown
5. Overrated - Dwight
6. Small - Nate
7. Big - Snacks (Jerome James)
8. Old - Big Z
9. Inj - T-Mac
10. Young - Gallinari
11. has Potential - Wilson Chandler
12. Superstar - Kobe

Raptor-54
06-24-2009, 06:42 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Hassan Adams
3. turtle - ?
4. overpaid - Jason Kapono
5. overrated - Derick Rose
6. small - Aron Brooks
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Bruce Bowen
9. injury-proned - Tmac
10. young - OJ mayo
11. has potential - Derozan
12. superstar - CP3

bctgg27
06-24-2009, 06:42 PM
Turtle Big Baby? for his size he can move.

I didn't know he put turtle to mean slow. I thought it was a guy who looked like a turtle. So i picked Al Harrington because he looks like a ninja turtle.

Mane
06-24-2009, 06:43 PM
1. monster - Shaq
2. worst player ever - Michael Ruffin
3. turtle - Glen Davis
4. overpaid - Gilbert Arenas
5. overrated - Lebron James
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao Ming
8. old - Ray Allen
9. injury-proned - Tracy McGrady
10. young - Kevin Durant
11. has potential - Nick Young
12. superstar - Kobe Bryant

Ron_Mexico
06-24-2009, 06:47 PM
Are you serious? His rookie numbers are better than Wade's, CP3's, Deron Williams, etc.

I sense you being banned soon with your name and such.

I didn't say that Rose wasn't good. I just think at this point, people are already calling him a top PG and he still has a long way to go. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but the way people are talking about him you'd think he was already a superstar. Besides, I just wrote down the 1st player that came to mind...

NYtilIdie
06-24-2009, 06:52 PM
1. monster-Lebron
2. worst player ever-Jared Jeffries
3. turtle- Big Z
4. overpaid- Marion
5. overrated-Paul Pierce
6. small- Nate Robinson
7. big-Dwight Howard
8. old-Shaq
9. injury-proned-Greg Oden/Bynum
10. young-Durant
11. has potential-OJ Mayo
12. superstar-CP3

Chronz
06-24-2009, 06:53 PM
1. monster - Yao
2. worst player ever - Offensively: Corey Brewer, Defensively: Fred Hoighberg
3. turtle - Tmac looks like Mike Jones who himself looks like a turtle
4. overpaid - Kaman
5. overrated - Derrick Rose
6. small - Boykins
7. big - Yao
8. old - Deke
9. injury-proned - Arenas
10. young - Yi (For sarcastic reasons)
11. has potential (Gerald Green)
12. superstar - Kobe

Chronz
06-24-2009, 06:53 PM
I didn't say that Rose wasn't good. I just think at this point, people are already calling him a top PG and he still has a long way to go. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but the way people are talking about him you'd think he was already a superstar. Besides, I just wrote down the 1st player that came to mind...

Im with you man, dont listen to that guy, nothing he said was true.

Chronz
06-24-2009, 06:55 PM
Are you serious? His rookie numbers are better than Wade's, CP3's, Deron Williams, etc.

I sense you being banned soon with your name and such.

Better than Deron perhaps, but not the other 2.

Ron_Mexico
06-24-2009, 06:56 PM
Im with you man, dont listen to that guy, nothing he said was true.

Thank you.

JordansBulls
06-24-2009, 06:57 PM
1. monster - Dwight
2. worst player ever - Aaron Gray
3. turtle - Brad Miller
4. overpaid - T-mac
5. overrated - T-mac
6. small - Boykins
7. big - Yao
8. old - Oden
9. injury-proned - T-mac
10. young - Durant
11. has potential - Brooks
12. superstar - Kobe

dee279
06-24-2009, 06:57 PM
1. monster- Lebron
2. worst player ever- too many came to mind
3. turtle- Ilgalgus and i know spelt dat wrong
4. overpaid- Mark Blount
5. overrated-Mo Williams
6. small-Earl Boykins
7. big-Yao ming
8. old-Pat riley
9. injury-proned-Jermaine Oneal
10. young-Beasley
11. has potential-Dorrel Wright
12. superstar-Dwayne Wade

JordansBulls
06-24-2009, 07:01 PM
Better than Deron perhaps, but not the other 2.

Wade vs Paul vs Deron vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2004&p2=paulch01&y2=2006&p3=willide01&y3=2006&p4=rosede01&y4=2009)


Wade
16.2 PPG / 4.0 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.6 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 46.5 FG% / 17.6 PER

CP3
16.1 PPG / 5.1 RPG / 7.8 APG / 0.1 BPG / 2.2 SPG / 43.0 FG% / 22.1 PER

Deron
10.8 PPG / 2.4 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 42.1 FG% / 12.4 PER

D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER



Pretty much Rose seems to be as good as any of these guys were their rookie years. In fact even in CP3 and Deron's 2nd year seems to be where Rose is now.


Also Rose compared to Pierce and VC

Carter vs Pierce vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=cartevi01&y1=1999&p2=piercpa01&y2=1999&p3=rosede01&y3=2009)

V.Carter
18.3 PPG / 5.7 RPG / 3.0 APG / 1.5 BPG / 1.1 SPG / 45.0 FG% / 19.6 PER


P.Pierce
16.5 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 43.9 FG% / 19.2 PER


D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER


Rose's rookie year looks like it was as good as Pierce's rookie and 2nd year in the league.

Jumba
06-24-2009, 07:01 PM
1. monster - Milsap
2. worst player ever - Darko
3. turtle -
4. overpaid - AK47
5. overrated - Bynum
6. small -Nate Robinson
7. big - Sabonas
8. old - Bruce Bowen
9. injury-proned - The Wizards
10. young - K Love
11. has potential - R. Brewer
12. superstar - Lebron

Ollie Tabooger
06-24-2009, 07:07 PM
First Player that comes in mind..
from these words:

1. monster - DJ Mbenga
2. worst player ever - Tony Allen
3. turtle - Al Harrington
4. overpaid - Vince Carter
5. overrated - Ron Artest
6. small - Aaron Brooks
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Dikembe Mutombo (although he's retired)
9. injury-proned - Greg Oden
10. young - Thaddeus Young
11. has potential - JR Smith
12. superstar - Kobe

Brooke
06-24-2009, 07:08 PM
1. monster-Dwight
2. worst player ever-Smush Parker
3. turtle
4. overpaid-T-Mac
5. overrated-Mo Williams
6. small-Nate
7. big-Shaq
8. old-Mutombo
9. injury-proned- T-Mac
10. young-Beasley
11. has potential-Mayo
12. superstar -Kobe

CoolDreBeth219
06-24-2009, 07:10 PM
1. monster - Lebron
2. worst player ever - Brian Scalabrine
3. turtle -
4. overpaid - Gilbert Arenas
5. overrated - Bynum
6. small - Nate R.
7. big - George Muresan???
8. old - Big Z
9. injury-proned - T-Mac
10. young - Derrick Rose
11. has potential - Javale Mcgee (Wizards)
12. superstar - Lebron

_Sn1P3r_
06-24-2009, 07:10 PM
1. monster - Shaq
2. worst player ever - Darko, lmao
3. turtle - Perkins
4. overpaid - Mark Blount
5. overrated - Hedo (he's clutch, but inconsistent)
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao Ming
8. old - Bowen
9. injury-proned - T Mac
10. young - Nick Young
11. has potential - Andrea Bargnani
12. superstar - Kobe

YankeeFan89
06-24-2009, 07:13 PM
1. monster-lebron
2. worst player ever-jared collins
3. turtle-BIG Z
4. overpaid-marbury
5. overrated-mo will
6. small-nate
7. big-shaq
8. old-mutombo
9. injury-proned-houston rockets
10. young-Blake Griffin
11. has potential-mayo
12. superstar-kobe

ALQ20
06-24-2009, 07:15 PM
1. monster - i wouldnt call anyone a "monster" in the NBA...
2. worst player ever - Kwame Brown
3. turtle - Manut Bol
4. overpaid - Jermaine O'neal
5. overrated - Rajon Rondo
6. small - Mugsy Bogues
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-proned - Tracy McGrady
10. young - Kevin Durant
11. has potential - Derrick Rose
12. superstar - Kobe Bryant

Korman12
06-24-2009, 07:15 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Yi Jianlian
3. turtle - Sam Cassel?
4. overpaid - Sam Dalembert
5. overrated - Shawn Marion
6. small - Aaron Brooks
7. big - Yao
8. old - Brent Barry
9. injury-proned - Yao, Tracy McGrady
10. young - Kevin Durant
11. has potential - Ricky Rubio
12. superstar - Kobe

Brooklyn Mets
06-24-2009, 07:19 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Jerome James
3. turtle - Al Harrington
4. overpaid - EDDY CURRY!
5. overrated - Rondo
6. small - Nate
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Kidd
9. injury-proned - T-Mac
10. young - S. Curry
11. has potential - Wilson Chandler
12. superstar - Kobe

Sean McG
06-24-2009, 07:20 PM
1. monster - Blake Griffin
2. worst player ever - Kwame Brown
3. turtle - Kyle Korver (That pic when McCants is doing a layup over him..)
4. overpaid - Baron Davis
5. overrated - Mo Williams
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao Ming
8. old - Dikembe Mutombo
9. injury-proned - Greg Oden
10. young - Brandon Roy
11. has potential - Andrea Bargnani
12. superstar - LeBron James

I'm sure if I really thought about it my list would be different, these were all litterally the first thing that came to my mind.

Aiwokote
06-24-2009, 07:30 PM
1. Monster - Shaq
2. Worst player ever - Kwame Brown
3. Turtle - Ilgauskus (I guess that means slow?)
4. Overpaid - Rashard Lewis
5. Overrated - Rajon Rondo
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao Ming
8. old - Bruce Bowen
9. injury-proned - T-mac
10. young - Chris Paul
11. has potential - Kevin Durant
12. superstar - Kobe

loufor2
06-24-2009, 07:32 PM
from these words:

1. monster
2. worst player ever
3. turtle
4. overpaid
5. overrated
6. small
7. big
8. old
9. injury-proned
10. young
11. has potential
12. superstar

1. Reggie Evans
2. Calvin Booth
3. Nate Robinson
4. Gilbert Arenas- Get off your ***
5. Mo Williams
6. Nate Robinson
7. Shaq
8. Micheal Finley
9. Micheal Red
10. Thaddeus young
11. Ramon Sessions
12. Kevin Durant!!!

Master Mind
06-24-2009, 07:36 PM
1. Monster - Lebron
2. Worst player ever - Kwame Brown
3. Turtle - Ilgauskus
4. Overpaid - Sports period
5. Overrated - Elton Brand
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao Ming
8. old - Mutumbo
9. injury-prone - T-mac
10. young - Michael Beasley
11. has potential - Rudy Gay/Michael Beasley
12. superstar - D-Wade

Corey
06-24-2009, 07:39 PM
Wade vs Paul vs Deron vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2004&p2=paulch01&y2=2006&p3=willide01&y3=2006&p4=rosede01&y4=2009)


Wade
16.2 PPG / 4.0 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.6 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 46.5 FG% / 17.6 PER

CP3
16.1 PPG / 5.1 RPG / 7.8 APG / 0.1 BPG / 2.2 SPG / 43.0 FG% / 22.1 PER

Deron
10.8 PPG / 2.4 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 42.1 FG% / 12.4 PER

D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER



Pretty much Rose seems to be as good as any of these guys were their rookie years. In fact even in CP3 and Deron's 2nd year seems to be where Rose is now.


Also Rose compared to Pierce and VC

Carter vs Pierce vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=cartevi01&y1=1999&p2=piercpa01&y2=1999&p3=rosede01&y3=2009)

V.Carter
18.3 PPG / 5.7 RPG / 3.0 APG / 1.5 BPG / 1.1 SPG / 45.0 FG% / 19.6 PER


P.Pierce
16.5 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 43.9 FG% / 19.2 PER


D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER


Rose's rookie year looks like it was as good as Pierce's rookie and 2nd year in the league.

It's silly to compare him to Pierce, Carter, and Wade.

Different positions.

arkanian215
06-24-2009, 07:52 PM
1. monster-robert tractor trailer
2. worst player ever-jerome james
3. turtle-al jefferson
4. overpaid-varejao
5. overrated-varejao
6. small-nate robinson
7. big-yao
8. old-shaq
9. injury-proned-yao
10. young-beasley
11. has potential-durant
12. superstar-kobe

JIDsanity
06-24-2009, 08:02 PM
1. Monster lebron
2. Worst player ever my mom
3. Turtle dalembert
4. Overpaid everyone in the nba
5. Overrated derozan
6. Small ty lawson
7. Big kenny george
8. Old mutombo
9. Injury-proned oden
10. Young durant
11. Has potential durant
12. Superstar kobe

+1

iHop
06-24-2009, 08:27 PM
1. Sam Cassell
2. Rafael araujo
3. ?
4. Jermaine Oneal
5. Bynum
6. Iverson
7. Shaq
8. Dikembe Mutombo
9. T-Mac
10. Nick young
11. Derrick Rose
12. Lebron

MiamiHeat
06-24-2009, 08:39 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Chris Quinn/Joel Anthony
3. turtle - Ilgauskas
4. overpaid - Jermaine O'Neal
5. overrated - Derrick Rose/Lebron James
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao Ming
8. old - Mutombo
9. injury-proned - T-Mac
10. young - Michael Beasley
11. has potential - Mario Chalmers
12. superstar - Dwyane Wade

Phat Pat 94
06-24-2009, 08:41 PM
from these words:

1. monster Al Jefferson
2. worst player ever brian scalabrine
3. turtle Dwight Howard
4. overpaidbrian "the custodian" cardinal
5. overratedYao
6. smallEarl Boykins
7. bigShaq
8. oldShaq
9. injury-pronedT-Mac
10. youngLeBron James
11. has potentialRicky Rubio
12. superstarKobe
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ko8e24
06-24-2009, 09:27 PM
13. simply the best-kobe

td0tsfinest
06-24-2009, 10:36 PM
1. monster - D12
2. worst player ever - Rafael Araujo
3. turtle - Al "Raphael" Harrington
4. overpaid - Every person in the league
5. overrated - majority of the cavs (except Lebron)
6. small - CP3
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-proned - Shaq
10. young - Shaq :p nah im joking..Ricky Rubio
11. has potential - Derrick Rose
12. superstar - Lebron James

Reyes6
06-24-2009, 10:44 PM
Wade vs Paul vs Deron vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2004&p2=paulch01&y2=2006&p3=willide01&y3=2006&p4=rosede01&y4=2009)


Wade
16.2 PPG / 4.0 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.6 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 46.5 FG% / 17.6 PER

CP3
16.1 PPG / 5.1 RPG / 7.8 APG / 0.1 BPG / 2.2 SPG / 43.0 FG% / 22.1 PER

Deron
10.8 PPG / 2.4 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 42.1 FG% / 12.4 PER

D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER



Pretty much Rose seems to be as good as any of these guys were their rookie years. In fact even in CP3 and Deron's 2nd year seems to be where Rose is now.


Also Rose compared to Pierce and VC

Carter vs Pierce vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=cartevi01&y1=1999&p2=piercpa01&y2=1999&p3=rosede01&y3=2009)

V.Carter
18.3 PPG / 5.7 RPG / 3.0 APG / 1.5 BPG / 1.1 SPG / 45.0 FG% / 19.6 PER


P.Pierce
16.5 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 43.9 FG% / 19.2 PER


D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER


Rose's rookie year looks like it was as good as Pierce's rookie and 2nd year in the league.


Rose needs to work on his BPG... LOL. I didn't think he was that good, but I think that he still has a little ways to go before being considered one of the TOP players in the game. Top Young Players, sure... And the Old Category is just mean btw, Mutombo has won like 90% of it so far.

Chronz
06-24-2009, 10:54 PM
Wade vs Paul vs Deron vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2004&p2=paulch01&y2=2006&p3=willide01&y3=2006&p4=rosede01&y4=2009)


Wade
16.2 PPG / 4.0 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.6 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 46.5 FG% / 17.6 PER

CP3
16.1 PPG / 5.1 RPG / 7.8 APG / 0.1 BPG / 2.2 SPG / 43.0 FG% / 22.1 PER

Deron
10.8 PPG / 2.4 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 42.1 FG% / 12.4 PER

D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER



Pretty much Rose seems to be as good as any of these guys were their rookie years. In fact even in CP3 and Deron's 2nd year seems to be where Rose is now.
If by pretty much you mean not even close then yes



Also Rose compared to Pierce and VC

Carter vs Pierce vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=cartevi01&y1=1999&p2=piercpa01&y2=1999&p3=rosede01&y3=2009)

V.Carter
18.3 PPG / 5.7 RPG / 3.0 APG / 1.5 BPG / 1.1 SPG / 45.0 FG% / 19.6 PER


P.Pierce
16.5 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 43.9 FG% / 19.2 PER


D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER


Rose's rookie year looks like it was as good as Pierce's rookie and 2nd year in the league.



Your really bad at this

effen5
06-24-2009, 10:55 PM
Good Thread Op


1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Marcus Fizer
3. turtle - Ninja?
4. overpaid - Gilbert Arenas
5. overrated - Lebron James / Vince Carter / Rajon Rondo
6. small - Nate Rob
7. big - Eddy Curry
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-proned - Tmac
10. young - Durant/Rose
11. has potential - Rose
12. superstar - Kobe

effen5
06-24-2009, 10:57 PM
If by pretty much you mean not even close then yes




Your really bad at this

Explain to me how thats not even close

_KB24_
06-24-2009, 11:03 PM
1. monster-Dwight
2. worst player ever-KWAME Brown
3. turtle-WTF
4. overpaid-Luke Walton
5. overrated-Pierce
6. small-Iverson
7. big-Shaq
8. old-Duncan
9. injury-proned-Tmac
10. youngBrooks
11. has potentialJR Smith
12. superstar-Kobe

ajj22
06-24-2009, 11:12 PM
from these words:

1. monster - dwight howard
2. worst player ever - jeryl sasser
3. turtle - al harrington
4. overpaid - raef lafrentz
5. overrated - Tracy McGrady
6. small - nate robinson
7. big - shaq
8. old - robert parrish
9. injury-proned - arenas
10. young - andrew bynum
11. has potential - derrick rose
12. superstar - kobe

nick61391
06-24-2009, 11:14 PM
1. monster - varejoa
2. worst player ever - chris dudley
3. turtle - Al Harrington
4. overpaid - starbury
5. overrated - brandon roy
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - dwight howard
8. old - Tim duncan
9. injury-proned - Tmac
10. young - lebron
11. has potential - Wil Chandler
12. superstar - Kobe

Jonathan2323
06-24-2009, 11:18 PM
1. monster-Shaq
2. worst player ever-mark Blount
3. turtle-Glen Davis
4. overpaid-Jermaine O'neal
5. overrated-Blake Grifffin
6. small-Earl Boykins
7. big-Yao
8. old-Kurt Thomas
9. injury-proned-Mcgrady
10. young-Mike Beasley
11. has potential-Mike Beasley
12. superstar -Dwyane Wade

Killadelphian13
06-24-2009, 11:24 PM
1. WILT
2. Kwame Brown
3. Al Harrington
4. Sammy Dalembert
5. Allen Iverson
6. Muggsy Bogues
7. George Muresan
8. Shaq
9. Gilbert Arenas
10. Thaddeus Young
11. Thaddeus Young again
12. KOBE

GSRaider
06-24-2009, 11:25 PM
1. monster - Ron Artest
2. worst player ever - Patrick Obryant
3. turtle - Al harrington
4. overpaid - Zack Randolph
5. overrated - Cleveland Cavs
6. small - Aaron Brooks
7. big - Glenn Davis
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-proned - Gilbert Arenas
10. young - Brandon Jennings
11. has potential - Anthony Randolph
12. superstar - Lebron

raidersrock99
06-24-2009, 11:36 PM
1.dwight howard
2.mikki moore
3.brad miller
4.shareef abdur-raheem
5.josh howard
6.earl boykins
7.shaq
8.tim duncan
9.mcgrady
10.lebron
11.jaosn thompson
12.kobe

tnigro77
06-24-2009, 11:37 PM
1. monster-Dhow
2. worst player ever-sasha vujacic
3. turtle- shaq
4. overpaid- kmart
5. overrated- ginobli
6. small-earl boykins
7. big- shaq
8. old- iverson
9. injury-proned- arenas
10. young- stephen curry
11. has potential- jr smith
12. superstar- lebron

13.underated-duncan
14.leader-billups
15.caveman-paul gasol
16. ultimate winer/flopper- ginobli
17. most likely to be gay- sasha vujacic
__________________

wadecounty305
06-24-2009, 11:40 PM
1. monster - shaq
2. worst player ever - kwame brown
3. turtle - al harrington
4. overpaid - marc blount
5. overrated - andrew bynum
6. small - moggsy bogues
7. big - shaq
8. old - mutombo
9. injury-proned - gilbert arenas
10. young - ricky rubio
11. has potential - michael beasley
12. superstar - dwayne wade

tsb77
06-24-2009, 11:56 PM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Kwame Brown
3. turtle - Eddy Curry
4. overpaid - Rashard Lewis
5. overrated - Andrew Bynum
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-proned - Greg Oden
10. young - Derrick Rose
11. has potential - OJ Mayo
12. superstar - Lebron James

Vinny642
06-25-2009, 12:01 AM
13. simply the best-kobe

(cough) that was wack(cough)

Eric Dunn
06-25-2009, 12:22 AM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Willie Green
3. turtle - Tim Duncan
4. overpaid - Rashard Lewis
5. overrated - Manu Ginobli
6. small - Allen Iverson
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Theo Ratliff
9. injury-proned - Greg Oden
10. young - Thaddeus Young
11. has potential - michael beasley
12. superstar- Kobe Bryant

MSU Spartans313
06-25-2009, 12:40 AM
from these words:

1. monster
2. worst player ever
3. turtle
4. overpaid
5. overrated
6. small
7. big
8. old
9. injury-proned
10. young
11. has potential
12. superstar


1. Gilbert Arenas
2. Kwame Brown
3. ZZZZZZZZZZZ
4. Sheed
5. lebron james
6. Nate Robinson
7. Hasheem Thabeet
8. Shaq
9. Andrew Bynum
10. Thaddeous Young
11. Nick Young
12. Gilbert Arenas

Chronz
06-25-2009, 12:45 AM
Explain to me how thats not even close

Which one would you like me to breakdown, Im not going to do them all, suffice it to say, the fact that MJB posted the per game averages instead of the APBR stuff is why he knows this to be true.

asandhu23
06-25-2009, 12:48 AM
1. monster - Shaq
2. worst player ever - Smush
3. turtle - What?
4. overpaid - Jermaine O'neal
5. overrated - Paul Pierce
6. small - Aaron Brooks
7. big - Mbenga
8. old - Mutombo
9. injury-prone - Greg Oden
10. young - Kevin Durant
11. has potential - Bynum
12. superstar - Kobe


i pretty much have the same thing except my injury prone is t-mac

Omar Little
06-25-2009, 12:59 AM
Better than Deron perhaps, but not the other 2.

Actually his rookie numbers were better then Wade and Deron's, Chris Paul's were slightly better, although very comparable.

dodgers310
06-25-2009, 01:02 AM
1. monster - Dwight
2. worst player ever - Kwame
3. turtle - Big Z
4. overpaid - Rashard
5. overrated - Paul Pierce
6. small - Fishhhhher
7. big - Mbenga
8. old - Shaq
9. injury-prone - T-Mac
10. young - Bynum
11. has potential - Durant
12. superstar - Kobe

Omar Little
06-25-2009, 01:18 AM
Monster: Dwight
Worst Player Ever: Shawn Bradley
Turtle: Scalabrini
Overpaid: Luke Walton
Overrated: Kirilenko
Small: Iverson
Big: Shaq
Old: Mutumbo
Injury-Prone: T-Mac
Young: Durant
Has Potential: Skyrus Thomas
Superstar: Brandon Roy

Mile High Champ
06-25-2009, 01:19 AM
Big: Oliver miller

PhillyBoomerang
06-25-2009, 01:28 AM
1. monster- Shaq
2. worst player ever-Efthimios Rentzias (look him up lol)
3. turtle-Yao
4. overpaid-Stephen Maurbury
5. overrated-Stephen Maurbury
6. small-Allen Iverson
7. big-Shawn Bradley
8. old-Charles Oakley
9. injury-proned-Greg Oden
10. young-Dwight Howard
11. has potential-Thaddeus Young
12. superstar-Kobe

bodupp311
06-25-2009, 09:46 AM
Wade vs Paul vs Deron vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=wadedw01&y1=2004&p2=paulch01&y2=2006&p3=willide01&y3=2006&p4=rosede01&y4=2009)


Wade
16.2 PPG / 4.0 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.6 BPG / 1.4 SPG / 46.5 FG% / 17.6 PER

CP3
16.1 PPG / 5.1 RPG / 7.8 APG / 0.1 BPG / 2.2 SPG / 43.0 FG% / 22.1 PER

Deron
10.8 PPG / 2.4 RPG / 4.5 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 42.1 FG% / 12.4 PER

D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER



Pretty much Rose seems to be as good as any of these guys were their rookie years. In fact even in CP3 and Deron's 2nd year seems to be where Rose is now.


Also Rose compared to Pierce and VC

Carter vs Pierce vs Rose (http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=cartevi01&y1=1999&p2=piercpa01&y2=1999&p3=rosede01&y3=2009)

V.Carter
18.3 PPG / 5.7 RPG / 3.0 APG / 1.5 BPG / 1.1 SPG / 45.0 FG% / 19.6 PER


P.Pierce
16.5 PPG / 6.4 RPG / 2.4 APG / 1.0 BPG / 1.7 SPG / 43.9 FG% / 19.2 PER


D.Rose
16.8 PPG / 3.9 RPG / 6.3 APG / 0.2 BPG / 0.8 SPG / 47.5 FG% / 16.0 PER


Rose's rookie year looks like it was as good as Pierce's rookie and 2nd year in the league. thank you JB, all these Rose haters are insane

ttam68
06-25-2009, 10:15 AM
1. monster - Dwight
2. worst player ever - Willie Green (only because of the sixers forum)
3. turtle - ???
4. overpaid - Shaq
5. overrated - Lebron
6. small - AI
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Mutombo
9. injury-proned - TMac
10. young - Thad
11. has potential - Thad Young
12. superstar - Lebron

effen5
06-25-2009, 10:22 AM
thank you JB, all these Rose haters are insane

Well apparently, according to Chronz, stats arent even close....

CELTICS4LYFE
06-25-2009, 10:26 AM
Turtle = paul pierce! He looks like one

bostncelts34
06-25-2009, 10:29 AM
1. monster Kevin Garnett
2. worst player ever- Mikki Moore
3. turtle- Big Z
4. overpaid- Every NBA player.
5. overrated- Blake Griffin
6. small- Nate Robinson
7. big- Yao
8. old-
9. injury-proned- Tracy McGrady
10. young- Rajon Rondo
11. has potential- Rubio
12. superstar- Lebron

Raps08-09 Champ
06-25-2009, 10:37 AM
1. monster- Lebron James
2. worst player ever- Kwame Brown
3. turtle- ?
4. overpaid- Every NBA player
5. overrated- Lebron(Favourite player), Kobe, Wade, Howard, Bosh and all those guys are over rated by someone
6. small- Nate Robinson/ Jameer Nelson
7. big- Yao/Shaq
8. old- Shaq, Nash and Kidd(Still effective though)
9. injury prone- Tracy McGrady(He's still cool thoguh)
10. young- Mayo/Bayless
11. has potential- Derozan
12. superstar- Lebron

Mc Uncle Cola
06-25-2009, 10:39 AM
1. monster SHAQ
2. worst player ever SHAWNE BRADLEY
3. turtle GEORGE MURASON
4. overpaid CURRY
5. overrated RONDO
6. small NATE
7. big SHAQ
8. old CLIFFORD ROBBINSON
9. injury-proned TMAC
10. young RUBIO
11. has potential BROOK LOPEZ
12. superstar LEBRON

ertanozgur
06-25-2009, 10:40 AM
1. monster - greg oden
2. worst player ever - Smush
3. turtle - ??
4. overpaid - rashard lewis
5. overrated - dwight howard
6. small - farmar
7. big - dwight howard
8. old - Mutombo
9. injury-prone - Greg Oden
10. young - Kevin Durant
11. has potential - Bynum
12. superstar - Kobe

yankeesown69
06-25-2009, 10:53 AM
1. monster - Dwight Howard
2. worst player ever - Jason Collins
3. turtle - Reggie Evans
4. overpaid - Most
5. overrated - Vince Carter
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Shaq
8. old - Kurt Thomas
9. injury-proned - TMac
10. young - Derrick Rose
11. has potential - Gallinari
12. superstar - LBJ

Karmaloop
06-25-2009, 10:55 AM
1. monster

Dwight Howard



2. worst player ever

Tierre Brown



3. turtle

Shawn Bradley



4. overpaid

Ben Wallace


5. overrated

Steve Nash



6. small

Earl Boykins



7. big

Shaquille O'Neal



8. old

Bruce Bowen



9. injury-proned

Amare Stoudamire



10. young

Andrew Bynum



11. has potential

Anthony Randolph



12. superstar

Kobe Bryant

Testaverde16
06-25-2009, 11:38 AM
1. monster- Shaq
2. worst player ever- Madsen
3. turtle- Big Baby
4. overpaid- Jermaine O'Neal
5. overrated- Rondo
6. small- Mugsey
7. big- Shaq
8. old- Mutombo
9. injury-prone- Tracy McGrady
10. young- Bynum
11. has potential- Sun Yue
12. superstar- LeBron

Ace33Bone
06-25-2009, 11:39 AM
1. monster- Lebron James
2. worst player ever- Harold Minor (BAby jordan come on)
3. turtle- Big Z
4. overpaid- Rashard Lewis
5. overrated- D- Wade
6. small- Spud Webb
7. big- Yao
8. old- Dikembe
9. injury-proned- Tmac
10. young- Bynum
11. has potential- Bayless
12. superstar - LeBron James

theuuord
06-25-2009, 11:56 AM
Well apparently, according to Chronz, stats arent even close....

It's not that they're not decently close, it's that they just aren't as good. And that Chicago fans have become just as bad with Rose as Laker fans with Kobe these days.
We get it. You lucked out and got a great point guard. We're all happy for you. Just don't blow it out of proportion.

S-Dot
06-25-2009, 01:36 PM
1. monster- Lebron
2. worst player ever- Sasha Vujacic
3. turtle- Illgauskus
4. overpaid- Rashard Lewis
5. overrated- Manu
6. small- Earl Boykins
7. big- Dwight Howard
8. old- Mutumbo/Kevin Willis
9. injury-proned- Yao
10. young- Kevin Durant
11. has potential- Jarryd Bayless
12. superstar - LeBron

sp1derm00
06-25-2009, 01:49 PM
1. monster - Dwight
2. worst player ever - Aaron Gray
3. turtle - Brad Miller
4. overpaid - T-mac
5. overrated - T-mac
6. small - Boykins
7. big - Yao
8. old - Oden
9. injury-proned - T-mac
10. young - Durant
11. has potential - Brooks
12. superstar - Kobe

ha! lotta tmac hate.

1. monster - Dwight
2. worst player ever - Smush
3. turtle - Al Harrington, I remember someone posting a pic of him looking like a ninja Turtle.
4. overpaid - Shaq
5. overrated - Devin Harris
6. small - Nate Robinson
7. big - Yao
8. old - Dikembe Mutumbo (retired though... so donno if he counts)
9. injury-proned - T-mac
10. young - Bynum, just cuz he acts like a baby and pouts all the time.
11. has potential - Durant, scary eh?
12. superstar - Kobe