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Cards man
06-24-2009, 03:38 PM
After a weekend in Kansas City of 3 home runs and 10 RBI's, a Kansas City broadcaster told his audiance that Albert Pujols might be a little overrated. I totally agree with him.....other than his year in 2001 where he hit 37 home runs and 130 RBI's and in 2002 where he hit 34 home runs and 127 RBI's and in 2003 where he hit 43 home runs and 124 RBI's and 2004 where he hit 46 home runs and 123 RBI's and 2005 where he hit 41 home runs and 117 RBI's and 2006 where he hit 49 home runs and 137 RBI's and 2007 where he hit 32 home runs and 103 RBI's and 2008 where he hit 37 home runs and 116 RBI's and he is currently on pace in 2009 to hit 32 home runs and drive in 88 before the all-star break.

So other than the years I mentioned above, he really hasnt done much for the Cardinals........your thoughts?:confused:

abe_froman
06-24-2009, 03:41 PM
ha! yes just a tad :laugh2:

t327
06-24-2009, 03:42 PM
Haha. Any announcer who declares Albert Pujols as overrated in any form, should be fired from baseball broadcasting, because apparently he knows nothing about the sport.

AjBurnett
06-24-2009, 03:44 PM
Haha. Any announcer who declares Albert Pujols as overrated in any form, should be fired from baseball broadcasting, because apparently he knows nothing about the sport.

I agree with ya. He is far from being overrated

bringbackfredex
06-24-2009, 03:46 PM
lol

GoatMilk
06-24-2009, 03:47 PM
overrated?

he's on pace to have a decade triple crown

i think the last payer to do that was Ted Williams. (correct me if im wrong)

Sean McG
06-24-2009, 03:48 PM
LMAO

Thought at first someone was seriously coming in to ask this question, thread gave me a good laugh ahahaha.

sep11ie
06-24-2009, 03:49 PM
I guess I never looked at that... You may be right. I mean really, what has he done before playing for the Cards? I expect him to be DFA'd soon.

Great post man, very funny.

Cards man
06-24-2009, 03:51 PM
Acutally, Albert is the only player in the history of the game to hit 30 or more home runs, have 100 or more RBI's and have at least 99 runs scored for 8 or more straight seasons, who knows, might have 9 before the all-star break.

beantownboy
06-24-2009, 03:59 PM
this guy deserves to be the highest paid player in the league.

Gigantes4Life
06-24-2009, 04:00 PM
Overrated? He's rated over everyone else if that's what you mean. :shrug:

papirico52
06-24-2009, 04:03 PM
LOL WTF he is a baseball god ... best player in the mlb hands down......... dominicano en la casa dejala caer!!!

The Giant Shark
06-24-2009, 04:03 PM
i never thought i'd agree with a Dodger fan, but that man should be fired today.

shamah115
06-24-2009, 04:05 PM
NO... best player in baseball

Pierzynski4Prez
06-24-2009, 04:06 PM
Who's Albert Pujols?

BearBird83
06-24-2009, 04:07 PM
Maybe he is a little overrated right now, but I really think this guy has the potential to turn into a more than serviceable ballplayer someday. Just a hunch. :speechless:

Pinstripe pride
06-24-2009, 04:08 PM
overrated?

he's on pace to have a decade triple crown

i think the last payer to do that was Ted Williams. (correct me if im wrong)

well then I guess that just means ted williams is overrated.........

Brave4life
06-24-2009, 04:09 PM
Speechless................

chadtx01
06-24-2009, 04:10 PM
I think he's one of those players that MIGHT produce in a contract year, other than that, he's a bust. I dont see why the Cards are still starting him.

TragicallyHip
06-24-2009, 04:11 PM
No

Method28
06-24-2009, 04:12 PM
Pujols overrated? What a douche that announcer is lol

Lets throw some high-top sandals on Pujols and call him Baseball Jesus!

yojoe792
06-24-2009, 04:15 PM
Just because everyone thinks he is great, doesn't mean he is overrated.

He receives so much attention for a reason. HE IS GREAT.

bringinwood
06-24-2009, 04:16 PM
The term "overrated" is overrated...

It's really dumb to quite frank... Who rates the overrated ??? If it means talked about, then Barry Zito is "overrated" as is Adam Eaton...


Albert Pujols is one of the best talents that this game has ever seen... He is one of the best hitters of our generation... No rating can be slapped on him... Just watch and enjoy...

Pinstripe pride
06-24-2009, 04:17 PM
I think he's one of those players that MIGHT produce in a contract year, other than that, he's a bust. I dont see why the Cards are still starting him.

imagine what he would do in a contract year compared to his numbers now. that is ****ing scary....

Vinny642
06-24-2009, 04:18 PM
Overrated?? No Way he is a monster!

boms-4
06-24-2009, 04:19 PM
never heard Pujols and overrated in the same sentence

Cards man
06-24-2009, 04:19 PM
Albert currenty has 2 league MVP's, and he finished second to Bonds in MVP voting the 3 years from the "so called juiced years" .......so he should actually have 5 MVP's and he just turned 29, now thats kind of unreal to even think about.

Pinstripe pride
06-24-2009, 04:21 PM
he's about as overrated as breathing

bosox3431
06-24-2009, 04:22 PM
Thats laughable. Barring injury we are seeing what will be the greatest right handed hitter ever. Hell he has a chance of being top 5 if not top 3 all time

Cards man
06-24-2009, 04:44 PM
Well, being a cubs fan I made a voodoo doll of Albert back in 2003 and have stuck it with a sharp needle everynight during the baseball season since 2003, Has not really paid off for me yet but Im waiting.............patiently.

CubsGirl
06-24-2009, 04:47 PM
Who's Albert Pujols?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he's one of the Cards prospects, taken in a pretty late draft round a few years ago. He might be up in the majors by now? Not sure.

Ragun
06-24-2009, 04:48 PM
Haha. Any announcer who declares Albert Pujols as overrated in any form, should be fired from baseball broadcasting, because apparently he knows nothing about the sport.

agreed

AjBurnett
06-24-2009, 04:49 PM
Well, being a cubs fan I made a voodoo doll of Albert back in 2003 and have stuck it with a sharp needle everynight during the baseball season since 2003, Has not really paid off for me yet but Im waiting.............patiently.
WTF:confused: I thought you were are Cardinals fan from your username

whitesoxfan83
06-24-2009, 04:54 PM
Haha. Any announcer who declares Albert Pujols as overrated in any form, should be fired from baseball broadcasting, because apparently he knows nothing about the sport.

As Some1 in broadcasting. I 100% completely and totally agree.

The kind of people who think Albert Pujols is overrated are the same kind of people who think DeWayne Wise should be leading off for the White Sox.

People like that are just plain stupid, its not even a debate at that point, or at least it shouldnt be.

long ball
06-24-2009, 04:58 PM
The point I think he was trying to make was that even the best hitters in baseball make an out more often than not.

CubsGirl
06-24-2009, 05:07 PM
This thread is awesome, because it's like a test to see who reads the post and who only reads the title.

Dcup
06-24-2009, 05:08 PM
I was ready to hammer the guy that started this thread. Over-rated? Rated over every other player in baseball is what I say.

flips333
06-24-2009, 05:08 PM
overrated?

he's on pace to have a decade triple crown

i think the last payer to do that was Ted Williams. (correct me if im wrong)

It was Yaz

Vinny642
06-24-2009, 05:08 PM
lol i only read the titile

dtmagnet
06-24-2009, 05:09 PM
ROFL that is awsome.

cheerio
06-24-2009, 05:13 PM
overrated?

he's on pace to have a decade triple crown

i think the last payer to do that was Ted Williams. (correct me if im wrong)

I so hope he gets it

TheDetroitBlue
06-24-2009, 05:17 PM
Best hitter in baseball right now overated heck no

BoSoxN1
06-24-2009, 05:19 PM
Definitely OVERRATED....I bet there aint a team in baseball who would trade for him....not even and end of the rotation pitcher

http://blog.al.com/juniormiss/large_red%20sox%20yankees%20fight.jpg

vick27m
06-24-2009, 05:21 PM
hahahahaha wow

CityofTreez
06-24-2009, 05:24 PM
Were talking about comments made by a Kansas City Royal's reporter?

He hasn't helped the Cardinal's? He won a World Series and has got them there many times in the playoffs/world series.

I guess we need one of these threads every week in the PSD!

sep11ie
06-24-2009, 05:41 PM
Ask Brad Lidge how overrated Albert is...

Twinke Masta
06-24-2009, 05:46 PM
Lol

VenezuelanMet
06-24-2009, 05:55 PM
Pshhh of course he's overrated, call me when he has a 200 OPS+ season.

blujaysrock
06-24-2009, 05:58 PM
Just a little, I mean he's no Albert Puj..... wait a minute.

koldjerky
06-24-2009, 06:46 PM
I'd take the scrappiness of David Eckstein over Pujols anyday.

bartoron
06-24-2009, 06:48 PM
Who's Albert Pujols?

I think he's a janitor or something. Y'know, he unclogs toilets after the holes get clogged with poo. :rimshot:

northsider
06-24-2009, 06:56 PM
They should just trade him well give you aaron miles back for him! Come on you know you can't pass on a scrappy player!

UofA
06-24-2009, 07:00 PM
Albert Pujols>>>>>>>>>>God on steroids

loufor2
06-24-2009, 07:19 PM
Whoever said that is jelous. Back 2 back MVP's for sure

Tkais9009
06-24-2009, 07:33 PM
After a weekend in Kansas City of 3 home runs and 10 RBI's, a Kansas City broadcaster told his audiance that Albert Pujols might be a little overrated. I totally agree with him.....other than his year in 2001 where he hit 37 home runs and 130 RBI's and in 2002 where he hit 34 home runs and 127 RBI's and in 2003 where he hit 43 home runs and 124 RBI's and 2004 where he hit 46 home runs and 123 RBI's and 2005 where he hit 41 home runs and 117 RBI's and 2006 where he hit 49 home runs and 137 RBI's and 2007 where he hit 32 home runs and 103 RBI's and 2008 where he hit 37 home runs and 116 RBI's and he is currently on pace in 2009 to hit 32 home runs and drive in 88 before the all-star break.

So other than the years I mentioned above, he really hasnt done much for the Cardinals........your thoughts?:confused:

hahahahahaha this made me laugh a lot

mike155
06-24-2009, 07:53 PM
It was Yaz

Actually they were talking about a decade triple crown. The only other player to have done that is Rogers Hornsby in the 20's.

But yes, Yaz was the last player to hit for the triple crown in a season. The last one in the NL was, I think, Medwick. Can anyone confirm that?

Cheezombie
06-24-2009, 07:57 PM
No way dude. Pujols is on a tier of his own. Nobody really comes close.

mike155
06-24-2009, 07:58 PM
I think this is the only time I remember a post where everyone agrees......l..this is just too weird!!!

Somebody say something stupid like the fact that Pujols almost k'd 100 times his rookie season.

Lincecum4CY
06-24-2009, 08:04 PM
Albert Pujols is by far NOT overrated. Hes the best pure hitter in baseball and so far the only one that hasn't been caught with illegal substances. He is far from overrated. He has earned all the respect and publicity.

Guys like Derek Jeter are overrated- yes he has helped NY get world series championships, but none in the past 8+ years

Jose Reyes is overrated- don't be hurt mets fans, hes good but hes not great.

jimm120
06-24-2009, 08:18 PM
After a weekend in Kansas City of 3 home runs and 10 RBI's, a Kansas City broadcaster told his audiance that Albert Pujols might be a little overrated. I totally agree with him.....other than his year in 2001 where he hit 37 home runs and 130 RBI's and in 2002 where he hit 34 home runs and 127 RBI's and in 2003 where he hit 43 home runs and 124 RBI's and 2004 where he hit 46 home runs and 123 RBI's and 2005 where he hit 41 home runs and 117 RBI's and 2006 where he hit 49 home runs and 137 RBI's and 2007 where he hit 32 home runs and 103 RBI's and 2008 where he hit 37 home runs and 116 RBI's and he is currently on pace in 2009 to hit 32 home runs and drive in 88 before the all-star break.

So other than the years I mentioned above, he really hasnt done much for the Cardinals........your thoughts?:confused:

NICE NICE NICE!!!!!! Man that was awesome!

And you forgot to mention how his batting average has always been absurdly high. damn, his lowest average has been .314. 99% of the league would LOVE to even dream of finishing with a .300 average and here is Pujols, who's hit at a clip of .334 throughout his career. Things like .359, .331, .357 are things that MOST players in the league can't achieve ever...yet Pujols has been over .320 8 seasons (including this one) and the one he wasn't over .320, he hit .314, which is still spectacular.

Pujols, honestly, would be considered the #1 player ever if he ever moved to another franchise and actually won something. What I mean is if he was drafted by a big club that could have actually used him (well, he did lead them to the world series once...only to get swept in a historic run by the Red Sox).

goldglove212
06-24-2009, 08:19 PM
that announcer = epic failure

mike155
06-24-2009, 08:22 PM
I wish we could see George Brett go off on the announcer like he did recently on the reporter after being asked about KC's manager.

sexicano31
06-24-2009, 08:24 PM
I think he's one of those players that MIGHT produce in a contract year, other than that, he's a bust. I dont see why the Cards are still starting him.

Im actually kind of scared to see what he would do in a contract year

Jays Claw
06-24-2009, 08:28 PM
He lives up to it.

jimm120
06-24-2009, 08:28 PM
Im actually kind of scared to see what he would do in a contract year

Adrian Beltre 2.0

IBleedPurple
06-24-2009, 08:30 PM
Adrian Beltre 2.0

and then some.....

MrBloop
06-24-2009, 08:35 PM
overrated?

he's on pace to have a decade triple crown

i think the last payer to do that was Ted Williams. (correct me if im wrong)

They'll stop pitching to him way b4 he has a chance to win the triple crown unfortunately...but what do I care? he's not a Yank.

Tex is Puljols lite...really lite lol.

Zmaster52
06-24-2009, 08:37 PM
If pujols is overrated then Nixon should still be president and osama should be VP

b_rad23
06-24-2009, 08:39 PM
Yeah and overpaid too.

S.P.
06-24-2009, 08:49 PM
If Pujols is so great, why doesn't he fix the economy?

horry1ur
06-24-2009, 09:12 PM
There is NO way the best hitter in baseball is overrated unless you mean what G4L already said.

tr3ymill3r
06-24-2009, 09:32 PM
As an Astro fan who was at the Brad Lidge ***** game, that ball still hasn't landed. No he's definately not overrated one bit. If anything we don't hear his name enough because he's in the STL

Phat Pat 94
06-24-2009, 09:52 PM
no.

JackB
06-24-2009, 10:05 PM
Does this really need to be responded too?

Miami_Megatron
06-24-2009, 10:09 PM
Nope!

Miami_Megatron
06-24-2009, 10:10 PM
No not at all

mike155
06-24-2009, 10:36 PM
HA! I found a new article over at Fox Sports. Surely there is something in here that can get people arguing. There can't be a thread where everyone agrees......

Peers can't touch Pujols' discipline at plateby Gerry Fraley, Special to FOXSports.com

Updated: June 24, 2009, 9:02 PM EDT 11 comments ST. LOUIS - Jimmie Foxx and Hank Greenberg are being left behind in the dust.

Joe DiMaggio is nowhere close.

Contemporaries Manny Ramirez and Alex Rodriguez cannot squeeze into the conversation.

When the topic turns to greatest right-handed power hitter of all time, there is only one reasonable answer: St. Louis' Albert Pujols.

He goes into Wednesday's play with the highest slugging percentage all-time among right-handed hitters at .628 and rising. He has a .713 slugging percentage for this season.

"It's certainly no disrespect to the other players, but this guy is the best hitter and the best player in all of baseball,'' Detroit manager Jim Leyland said of Pujols.

Foxx (.609) and Greenberg (.605) are the only other right-handed hitters with a slugging percentage at .600-plus lifetime. The great DiMaggio finished at .579, which puts him ahead of Rodriguez (.576) but behind Ramirez (.594).

"Since Albert's rookie year, I've thought that I'm watching one of the greatest right-handed hitters of all time,'' St. Louis manager Tony La Russa said. "It doesn't make any difference to say he's the greatest. Just to be in that company is good enough.''

If the slugging percentage does not carry the discussion, consider what Pujols threatens to accomplish this season.

He could become the first hitter in more than half a century to lead a league in home runs while having fewer strikeouts than long balls.

Pujols went into the game against the New York Mets with 26 homers, most in the majors, and only 28 strikeouts. To realize what that says about Pujols the hitter, consider some comparisons.

Tampa Bay's Carlos Pena led the American League with 22 homers, which almost offset his 91 strikeouts.

Philadelphia's Ryan Howard and Detroit's Miguel Cabrera were the league home-run champions last season. Howard had 48 homers and 199 strikeouts. Cabrera had 37 homers and 126 whiffs.

Ted Kluszewski is the last hitter to lead a league in homers with fewer strikeouts than long balls. Kluszewski, a left-handed hitter, had 49 homers and 35 strikeouts with Cincinnati in 1954.

"Big Klu'' represented the end of an era.

He played during a time in which hitters were conscious about adjusting with two strikes in the count and not striking out. DiMaggio had seven seasons with more homers than strikeouts, including two in which he led the AL in homers. Lou Gehrig (1934 and '36), Johnny Mize (1947-48), Ted Williams (1941) and Ken Williams (1921) all accomplished the more-homers-than-strikeouts feat while leading a league in homers.

Hitters have changed. Strikeouts do not affect their swing-from-the-heels approach. Howard set the single-season record with 199 strikeouts in 2007 only to have Arizona's Mark Reynolds pass him with 204 strikeouts — and 28 homers — last season.

Texas' Chris Davis could take the strikeout mark to another level this season, if he stays in the lineup. Davis began Wednesday's play with 102 strikeouts in 225 at-bats. That would seem to offset Davis' 13 homers.


In this era of strikeout-mania, Pujols stands as an uncompromising figure.

Pujols hates strikeouts. He considers them the ultimate in tossed-away at-bats, and no at-bats should ever be wasted. Pujols has had fewer than 70 strikeouts annually since his rookie season of 2001. A year ago, Pujols had only 54 strikeouts in 524 at-bats and finished among the NL's top four in the Triple Crown categories.

Strength, balance and intelligence make Pujols a threatening hitter in any count. He is uniquely able to adjust to avoid the strikeout and still hit for power when deep in a count. He's had five homers with two strikes in the count.

"The game can keep you hungry and force you to make adjustments,'' Pujols said. "That's the main thing. We can't be perfect. We try to be perfect, but we can't be.''

Pujols' performance this season is more remarkable when put into the context of opponents' strategy.

The surrounding cast in St. Louis' lineup has tailed off after a good start. In the last 49 games going into Wednesday's play, the Cardinals averaged only 4.08 runs per game. They were 24-25 in that span.

There is no reason to pitch to Pujols. Former Colorado manager Clint Hurdle was prescient when he said before the season that Pujols "is going to get the Barry Bonds treatment and more.''

Before a recent series, Leyland said he would pitch around Pujols rather than challenge him "even if I had Dizzy Dean pitching.'' Pujols took four walks, three intentional, in three games against the Tigers.

Unlike Bonds, who stubbornly led the NL in walks 12 times, Pujols does not take the walks and move along. He dislikes walks almost as virulently as strikeouts.

Pujols reached 100 walks for the first time in his career last season. He has 23 intentional walks this season, more than double the total of any other major-leaguer, but only 54 walks overall.

With others around him struggling, Pujols has expanded his hitting zone this season. Sometimes, that has caused problems. He recently went through a 2-for-22 streak against Colorado and Florida.

Pujols found a way out. Since the 2-for-22, he has eight homers and 19 RBIs — with only six strikeouts — in 40 at-bats.

"I don't believe in luck, but I guess I'm getting some breaks,'' Pujols said during this latest surge. "Before that, I hit some balls hard and said 'Wow, I can't catch a break.'"

It was a short-term thing. Among right-handed hitters, no one generates more power than Albert Pujols. No one ever.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9724120/Peers-can't-touch-Pujols'-discipline-at-plate

Reyes6
06-24-2009, 10:51 PM
To Me, Pujols is like what Bonds was before he tested positive. Or McGwire and Sosa when they stepped to the plate, you knew your pitcher would need something special to stop them and you had to wince on each pitch, hoping it wouldn't be a home run.

I am very thankful the MLB has a player like him who never cheated, is very modest and a good role model for any kid growing up. He's the definition of a professional. And calling him the greatest 1B of all time, would be underrating him.

DodgersFanFor23
06-24-2009, 11:44 PM
Pujols is a beast and i wish he played for the Dodgers. If i was Mccourt i'd give my left nut maybe both for Pujols. The best player he amazes me.

jetsfan89
06-24-2009, 11:47 PM
hell no

hoggin88
06-24-2009, 11:52 PM
Meh. I prefer my players to have a 1.060 OPS before I start calling them good. His 1.055 career OPS is nothing that special... and I'm not so sure he's an everyday player either.

Murphy_Dee
06-25-2009, 12:02 AM
His numbers are inflated from being in the NL... i'd hit 35+ dingers and 115+ rbis a year out there too...

iam brett favre
06-25-2009, 12:07 AM
Why did Cards Man get banned?
Anyway, not overrated, but a juicer.

D Roses Bulls
06-25-2009, 12:12 AM
After a weekend in Kansas City of 3 home runs and 10 RBI's, a Kansas City broadcaster told his audiance that Albert Pujols might be a little overrated. I totally agree with him.....other than his year in 2001 where he hit 37 home runs and 130 RBI's and in 2002 where he hit 34 home runs and 127 RBI's and in 2003 where he hit 43 home runs and 124 RBI's and 2004 where he hit 46 home runs and 123 RBI's and 2005 where he hit 41 home runs and 117 RBI's and 2006 where he hit 49 home runs and 137 RBI's and 2007 where he hit 32 home runs and 103 RBI's and 2008 where he hit 37 home runs and 116 RBI's and he is currently on pace in 2009 to hit 32 home runs and drive in 88 before the all-star break.

So other than the years I mentioned above, he really hasnt done much for the Cardinals........your thoughts?:confused:

ummm NO not at all and im a cubs fan. to be honest, he is the best hitter i have ever seen in my life. every time they need a hit he gets the hit. you see more 3-4 games then you do 1-4 and that is very rare. defensive wise he sucks, but i mean i have been following baseball for 19 years now and i cant remember anyone who hit like him that wasnt juiced but and even juiced up couldnt hit consistently like he does. by the time he is done could go in the books as the best hitter ever maybe behind ted williams.

D Roses Bulls
06-25-2009, 12:14 AM
Why did Cards Man get banned?
Anyway, not overrated, but a juicer.

no sorry, pujos is not A-ROD or Giambi. if he was juiced up with his hand eye coordination he would easily be hitting 60 home runs a year when hes not injured every year if he was juiced up

iam brett favre
06-25-2009, 12:18 AM
no sorry, pujos is not A-ROD or Giambi. if he was juiced up with his hand eye coordination he would easily be hitting 60 home runs a year when hes not injured every year if he was juiced up

Based on what? I could say, without the steroids, he'd be hitting 20 HR's each year.

D Roses Bulls
06-25-2009, 12:22 AM
Based on what? I could say, without the steroids, he'd be hitting 20 HR's each year.

when you have hand eye coordination like him, your going to hit 30 or 40 home runs a year. pujos is built a lot like frank thomas was, not as big maybe cause thomas played college football, but similar and thomas never took roids. plus if he was on roids, he wouldnt be injured as much as he was until he became older and the roids broke his body down. guys can be built like that and not on roids.

iam brett favre
06-25-2009, 12:50 AM
when you have hand eye coordination like him, your going to hit 30 or 40 home runs a year. pujos is built a lot like frank thomas was, not as big maybe cause thomas played college football, but similar and thomas never took roids. plus if he was on roids, he wouldnt be injured as much as he was until he became older and the roids broke his body down. guys can be built like that and not on roids.

Frank Thomas: 6-5, 275
Albert Pujols: 6-3, 230


Just a little different.......?

D Roses Bulls
06-25-2009, 01:16 AM
Frank Thomas: 6-5, 275
Albert Pujols: 6-3, 230


Just a little different.......?

but the frame is almost the same. just weight wise bigger and a little taller. doesnt mean cause he weighs more and is taller it makes a difference. i have never hear pujos brought up in any steroid rumors. if he is ever found that he took a substance i will say i am sorry, but also like i said with the injuries. roids early on are suppose to help you over come injuries and thats why guys later in life have so many problems not letting tissue heal properly. if pujos was on roids he would not be injured as often as he does, the roids would help him play through the pain

yfern328
06-25-2009, 01:54 AM
Just curious, how much do you think his next contract will be worth? Does A-Rod get outdueled?

Tragedy
06-25-2009, 02:34 AM
Why did Cards Man get banned?
Anyway, not overrated, but a juicer.
Oh, well, thank you for telling us all he's a juicer. It's nice to see some people out there that have the ability to tell who has and has not taken steroids.

In other words: Prove it.

whitekimbo
06-25-2009, 02:46 AM
After a weekend in Kansas City of 3 home runs and 10 RBI's, a Kansas City broadcaster told his audiance that Albert Pujols might be a little overrated. I totally agree with him.....other than his year in 2001 where he hit 37 home runs and 130 RBI's and in 2002 where he hit 34 home runs and 127 RBI's and in 2003 where he hit 43 home runs and 124 RBI's and 2004 where he hit 46 home runs and 123 RBI's and 2005 where he hit 41 home runs and 117 RBI's and 2006 where he hit 49 home runs and 137 RBI's and 2007 where he hit 32 home runs and 103 RBI's and 2008 where he hit 37 home runs and 116 RBI's and he is currently on pace in 2009 to hit 32 home runs and drive in 88 before the all-star break.

So other than the years I mentioned above, he really hasnt done much for the Cardinals........your thoughts?:confused:

wuts ur definition of much?

theproof
06-25-2009, 03:25 AM
It's only a matter of time before he starts getting the bonds treatment.

Toxeryll
06-25-2009, 04:35 AM
Who's Albert Pujols?

lol.. hes underrated IMO

SeoulBeatz
06-25-2009, 05:24 AM
well he is the best player in baseball.

and the general consensus is that he's the best player in baseball.

so no, he is not overrated.


that announcer must be ********/jealous.

Kashmir13579
06-25-2009, 05:25 AM
idk i've never heard of this pujols

bartoron
06-25-2009, 06:25 AM
Pujols, honestly, would be considered the #1 player ever if he ever moved to another franchise and actually won something. What I mean is if he was drafted by a big club that could have actually used him (well, he did lead them to the world series once...only to get swept in a historic run by the Red Sox).

The Cardinals won the World Series in 2006. :laugh:

Matt-the-great
06-25-2009, 06:51 AM
this thread title had me a little off-balance, haha

especially because of the name of the member who started it

mike155
06-25-2009, 08:02 AM
Just curious, how much do you think his next contract will be worth? Does A-Rod get outdueled?

If he goes to another team, the contract will be up there like A-Rod's. If he stays in St. Louis, the total contract won't come close, but the annual payout will be between $20M - $25M.

donnie23
06-25-2009, 08:34 AM
You can question his age or whether he used peds, but you can't say he's overrated. Statistically he is in the Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, Mantle, Hornsby all time greats category. The guy mashes, hits for avg and is a good defender.

todu82
06-25-2009, 09:10 AM
Albert Pujols is the farthest thing from over-rated. He's the best player in baseball right now.

k_rock923
06-25-2009, 10:51 AM
At this point, I think some people are responding to the thread title without reading the first post.

BRADY4MVP
06-25-2009, 12:26 PM
yea, I believe that he is extremely overrated...



...however, i also believe that the Earth is flat

Jamiecballer
06-25-2009, 01:09 PM
I am very thankful the MLB has a player like him who never cheated, is very modest and a good role model for any kid growing up. He's the definition of a professional. And calling him the greatest 1B of all time, would be underrating him.


Not to stir things up, because I myself think that Albert Pujols is probably the best hitter the game has ever seen, but comments like this rub me the wrong way. Why does everyone assume to know who does what away from the ballpark? You cannot possibly know whether Pujols has cheated unless...... wait a minute! Pujols, is that you? You tricky bastard get off the forums!!!

Pinstripe pride
06-25-2009, 01:11 PM
yea, I believe that he is extremely overrated...



...however, i also believe that the Earth is flat

it's not?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

pedrofan45
06-25-2009, 01:23 PM
i can't wait to see his next contract, the best player in baseball should be paid like the best player in baseball, hopefully he stays with the cards, I'd love to see him in boston though that's for sure, JUST DON'T GO TO THE YANKEES : P

cantstopthee
06-25-2009, 01:35 PM
lol thats like saying MJ is over rated

MvpMets00
06-25-2009, 01:43 PM
You are kidding right?

....

Then I look and see that the guy is banned, that explains it all.

AmmoWasted
06-25-2009, 01:47 PM
You are kidding right?

....

Then I look and see that the guy is banned, that explains it all.

You are kidding right?


...

Then I see you haven't read the first post, that explains it all.

JayAllDay
06-25-2009, 01:55 PM
ehehehehehehehe

that was funny.

Pujols is the best hitter in MLB by far.
He's so good, when he gets struck out it's a highlight for the pitcher because it's so rare.

cmstophe
06-25-2009, 02:00 PM
He is underrated.

You don't hear nearly as much about him as you do jerk offs like A Roid.

reme666
06-25-2009, 02:03 PM
Pujols is the best hitter in baseball who hasnt tested positive for performance enhancers. im really hoping that he doesnt in my opinion hes on of the best natural hitters of all time.

chadtx01
06-25-2009, 02:07 PM
Maybe the announcer was comparing him to Chuck Norris. I mean, everybody is overrated if they're compared to Chuck Norris. If this were the case, it would make sense. Just the fact that he was in the same comparison as Chuck Norris would make him overrated because nobody is worthy of that comparison.

Thats all I got. I'm an Astros fan and I hate AP, he's just so damned good.

Freel for prez
06-25-2009, 02:09 PM
He leads the Majors right now in home runs, runs, RBI's and god knows what else. Hes overrated? What are you smoking? Pass it here.

DodgersFanFor23
06-25-2009, 02:18 PM
He leads the Majors right now in home runs, runs, RBI's and god knows what else. Hes overrated? What are you smoking? Pass it here.

Everybody is just kidding.
I'm surprised nobody says the reason Pujols is so good is because he plays in the NL.

Brooklyn Mets
06-25-2009, 02:22 PM
he is top 5 players in the MLB every year.. haha.. the broadcaster who said that is a total moron..

Mr. Magoo
06-25-2009, 02:47 PM
He is so over rated it's ridiculous. All those big stats, but what did he do before 2001? Nothing!!! In fact, I had never heard of him until then. Can any of you say you knew who he was before he had that good year in 2001?

And now that we're almost in 2010, what has he done? NOTHING!!!!!!!

I look at his stats, and they end in 2009. It's like the guy landed from a space ship, stayed here for a few years, and just fell off the face of the earth (or if you prefer...earff).

I'm so unimpressed by a guy who barely lasted 9 years in his career before heading back to his home planet of Krypton, which we all know blew up.

If he had stayed around, I'm sure he would have broken down before he was 50, yet Julio Franco is 50, and still wants to play. Again...I am so NOT impressed with him, and never will be.

I am Mr. Magoo, and I approve of this posting.

jetsfan718
06-25-2009, 02:53 PM
arods better and thats not cuz im a yankee fan but pujols is certainly 2nd id have to say i guess you can go either way but im taking arod

magichatnumber9
06-25-2009, 03:05 PM
I don't know about overrated, but ESPN wants to have his babies.

Bgpapa1
06-25-2009, 03:11 PM
He is so over rated it's ridiculous. All those big stats, but what did he do before 2001? Nothing!!! In fact, I had never heard of him until then. Can any of you say you knew who he was before he had that good year in 2001?

And now that we're almost in 2010, what has he done? NOTHING!!!!!!!

I look at his stats, and they end in 2009. It's like the guy landed from a space ship, stayed here for a few years, and just fell off the face of the earth (or if you prefer...earff).

I'm so unimpressed by a guy who barely lasted 9 years in his career before heading back to his home planet of Krypton, which we all know blew up.

If he had stayed around, I'm sure he would have broken down before he was 50, yet Julio Franco is 50, and still wants to play. Again...I am so NOT impressed with him, and never will be.

I am Mr. Magoo, and I approve of this posting.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
i AGREE WITH EVERYONE OUT THERE THAT SYAS THIS ANNOUNCER SHOULD BE FIRED FOR BEING A MORON.

Mr. Magoo
06-25-2009, 03:26 PM
arods better and thats not cuz im a yankee fan but pujols is certainly 2nd id have to say i guess you can go either way but im taking arod

So it's not cuz you're a yankee fan, but I'm guessing it's cuz you're probably a 15 year old girl. In that case, I could understand ARod's appeal.

ARod is better at self promotion and kissing himself in the mirror. Now don't get me wrong, ARod is one of the best offensive players of all time, and was a Gold Glove Shortstop, and admitted steroid user...

ARod has played 5 years longer than Albert, and the only stat that stands out where they match up is his 562 career home runs. If you look at the numbers, you will see that the only area the two are even close is HR. And ARod is a notorious October choker, while Albert has won a world championship, and is a career .323 hitter with 13 HR and 35RBI in the post season.

Pujols
.334 Avg
345 HR
1611 Hits
358 Doubles
1047 RBI
751 Walks
534 Strikeouts

ARod
.304 Avg
562HR
2434 Hits
434 Doubles
1636 RBI
1012 Walks
1668 Strikeouts


At his current pace, Pujols' numbers in 5 years will look like this...

.334 Avg
568 HR
2653 Hits
590 Doubles
1725 RBI
1237 Walks
880 Strikeouts

So basically 5 years from now (when he'll only be 34), Albert will likely have about the same HR, 150 more doubles, 200 more hits, 200 more walks, 100 more RBI, and 800 fewer strikeouts.

Think about that last one...Pujols averages about 60 strikeouts a season, and would have to strike out 160 times a year for the next 5 years to catch ARod.

Who's better?

kmo429
06-25-2009, 03:39 PM
Best player in baseball, not overrated

but...

the amount of intentional walks he gets is ridiculous, he is not the best by far, but he has the most ibb's by a landslide, pitchers overrate him because he i not unable to get out, i think people are too scared of him, that is how he is overrated, but he is undoubtabely the best player in baseball

MASS-tommy
06-25-2009, 07:43 PM
Who is this Albert Pujols guy everyone is talking about? Overrated, I never even heard of the guy?

MASS-tommy
06-25-2009, 07:44 PM
!!!

miller
06-25-2009, 07:58 PM
A little maybe. Not much IMO. Pujols would find a place in pretty much any team and pretty much any era. He is the once in a generation talent that will be remembered long after he is done. Manny and Arod would have meant that the 90's/00's produced 3 of the greatest hitters ever, but the legacies of those 2 great players will be eclipsed by Albert.

Wrigheyes4MVP
06-25-2009, 08:00 PM
Pujols is underrated if thats even possible.

The Mets just finished playing the Cards...and everytime Pujols was on deck...I pissed my pants a little.

Yankees213
06-26-2009, 12:30 AM
Pujols is underrated if thats even possible.

The Mets just finished playing the Cards...and everytime Pujols was on deck...I pissed my pants a little.

Agreed. The guy friggin terrifies me and he's not even playing against my team.

And no, A-Rod is not better than Albert Pujols.

jtchilln
06-26-2009, 12:34 AM
When it's all said and done, this guy will be considered the best player of my time and probably top 3-5players of all time.

degnor
06-26-2009, 12:57 AM
hahaha, funniest thread ever...it took me way too long to get it

degnor
06-26-2009, 12:58 AM
Pujols is underrated if thats even possible.

The Mets just finished playing the Cards...and everytime Pujols was on deck...I pissed my pants a little.

the fact we held him 3 for 13 was a miracle

flea
06-26-2009, 01:00 AM
The only thing overrated about Pujols is his goatee.

degnor
06-26-2009, 01:04 AM
So it's not cuz you're a yankee fan, but I'm guessing it's cuz you're probably a 15 year old girl. In that case, I could understand ARod's appeal.

ARod is better at self promotion and kissing himself in the mirror. Now don't get me wrong, ARod is one of the best offensive players of all time, and was a Gold Glove Shortstop, and admitted steroid user...

ARod has played 5 years longer than Albert, and the only stat that stands out where they match up is his 562 career home runs. If you look at the numbers, you will see that the only area the two are even close is HR. And ARod is a notorious October choker, while Albert has won a world championship, and is a career .323 hitter with 13 HR and 35RBI in the post season.

Pujols
.334 Avg
345 HR
1611 Hits
358 Doubles
1047 RBI
751 Walks
534 Strikeouts

ARod
.304 Avg
562HR
2434 Hits
434 Doubles
1636 RBI
1012 Walks
1668 Strikeouts


At his current pace, Pujols' numbers in 5 years will look like this...

.334 Avg
568 HR
2653 Hits
590 Doubles
1725 RBI
1237 Walks
880 Strikeouts

So basically 5 years from now (when he'll only be 34), Albert will likely have about the same HR, 150 more doubles, 200 more hits, 200 more walks, 100 more RBI, and 800 fewer strikeouts.

Think about that last one...Pujols averages about 60 strikeouts a season, and would have to strike out 160 times a year for the next 5 years to catch ARod.

Who's better?

I couldn't agree more, at the plate Pujols dominates A-Rod, and it really isn't that close. The only thing you can say is that A-Rod played great defense at a MUCH tougher position (Pujols is an excellent fielder, but there's a reason they put the usual DH at 1B most of the time when AL teams go to NL parks), and is still a good fielder at another difficult position. A-Rod also stole bases. If I was asked who I wanted to start a team with, and I could pick either player in their young days, I might pick A-Rod if only for the defense and the speed. But that's a very close race.

jkiddvc20
06-26-2009, 09:54 AM
Haha I really needed a good laugh.

Bearscubs4life
06-26-2009, 10:16 AM
He is amazing. I hate the cards(to be honest I am just filled with hate) but still respect the way he plays and what he has done. The numbers tell the tale. How can a player be overrated with numbers like his. I wish I could have some smart a s s comment but just trying to understand this debate is making my head hurt.

epgelinas
06-26-2009, 11:02 AM
After a weekend in Kansas City of 3 home runs and 10 RBI's, a Kansas City broadcaster told his audiance that Albert Pujols might be a little overrated. I totally agree with him.....other than his year in 2001 where he hit 37 home runs and 130 RBI's and in 2002 where he hit 34 home runs and 127 RBI's and in 2003 where he hit 43 home runs and 124 RBI's and 2004 where he hit 46 home runs and 123 RBI's and 2005 where he hit 41 home runs and 117 RBI's and 2006 where he hit 49 home runs and 137 RBI's and 2007 where he hit 32 home runs and 103 RBI's and 2008 where he hit 37 home runs and 116 RBI's and he is currently on pace in 2009 to hit 32 home runs and drive in 88 before the all-star break.

So other than the years I mentioned above, he really hasnt done much for the Cardinals........your thoughts?:confused:

I agree, and obviously ESPN agrees with you also.
They didn't even nominate him for Athelete of the Year!
Until he can put together some .350/50/150 years people need to quit taking about him as anything but slighty above average!

boogieman
06-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Maybe a little... but he is still a GREAT player.

La11
06-26-2009, 11:34 AM
Albert Pujols is under paid...the broadcaster was smoking crack before the game started. He is a The Machine...maybe his nickname is overrated...