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Hawkeye15
06-23-2009, 01:01 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291




The Milwaukee Bucks agreed to trade Richard Jefferson to the San Antonio Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto a Bucks source told ESPN.com.

The two teams have agreed to the deal in principle. A trade call to make the deal official is coming later Tuesday.

phlp_bj
06-23-2009, 01:02 PM
so they trade the awesome defender in bowen, who usually defends kobe and such players for RJ who plays no defense at all?

Chronz
06-23-2009, 01:03 PM
so they trade the awesome defender in bowen, who usually defends kobe and such players for RJ who plays no defense at all?

YES, and do you know why? Because hes a better player

phlp_bj
06-23-2009, 01:05 PM
YES, and do you know why? Because hes a better player

they don't need RJ. all he does is score. they already had that in duncan, mason, parker, manu...

kobe and players of his caliber will torch RJ even more. I agree RJ is much better than Bowen in the offensive category, but they lose valuable defense. They also would lose key bench guys. Kurt Thomas was their big that they placed on Shaq in the playoffs.

Zefflin
06-23-2009, 01:06 PM
Good trade for both teams...btw what bball player wants to go to the Bucks...how dreadful. Btw Bowen is washed up and can't defend anywhere near as good as his younger days. I would take RJ covering KB over Bowen at this point.

Mc Uncle Cola
06-23-2009, 01:07 PM
i think RJ is a Great Player.. i kinda the Nets never traded him to the Bucks For horrible Yi n Simmons

Bausman
06-23-2009, 01:07 PM
YES, and do you know why? Because hes a better player

A better player and about a decade younger. The spurs are old as ****.. great move for them.

Hawkeye15
06-23-2009, 01:07 PM
RJ is major insurance for Manu. If TD stays healthy, and Parker has a good season, this makes them a lot better

29$JerZ
06-23-2009, 01:08 PM
It's a good move. Spurs are always a defensive squad and need youth.

Bowen isn't exactly a lock down defender anymore, he doesn't even get as many minutes as he once did anymore.

Losing Kurt hurts more imo.

Hawkeye15
06-23-2009, 01:09 PM
Chad Ford is reporting the deal in done in principal

nYk_wAy
06-23-2009, 01:10 PM
Makes me sick how Bowen was thrown under the bus this season. How can a guy go from being All NBA 1st team Defense to declining so much to not get much burn over a summer?

phlp_bj
06-23-2009, 01:11 PM
when the spurs played the lakers, kobe was held to a low 22 points. even though that's still great, he didn't do what he usually does. bowen was defending kobe: http://www.nba.com/games/20090125/SASLAL/boxscore.html

RJ vs defending Lebron when they met. lebron went off for 55pts while RJ was defending. http://www.nba.com/games/20090220/CLEMIL/boxscore.html

again, spurs do get better from this deal. bowen did nothing other than defense. but i just think they lose bench depth and defense with this

Hawkeye15
06-23-2009, 01:11 PM
Makes me sick how Bowen was thrown under the bus this season. How can a guy go from being All NBA 1st team Defense to declining so much to not get much burn over a summer?

3 things. The no hand check rule put in a few years ago started to diminish his skill, he is getting older, and that corner 3 stopped falling. He did as well as an unskilled player could do.

ManRam
06-23-2009, 01:12 PM
Bowen isn't an elite defender anymore. I mean, he just turned 38 too. He's not a huge asset on defense anymore. This would be a great move for the Spurs IMO.

I also trust the Spurs. They know what wins championships. If they think Bowen is expendable, I trust them.

theuuord
06-23-2009, 01:13 PM
Makes me sick how Bowen was thrown under the bus this season. How can a guy go from being All NBA 1st team Defense to declining so much to not get much burn over a summer?

Bruce Bowen: Where 38 years old happens.

I'm still wondering why the Bucks did this trade. This marks the second straight year (if it is actually true) that RJ's been dealt right before the draft. Is there something to him that we don't know about?

Bruno
06-23-2009, 01:14 PM
The NBA page on ESPN has this as a done deal.

phlp_bj
06-23-2009, 01:14 PM
scott skiles preaches defense. and bowen only plays defense

chuckdaily85
06-23-2009, 01:14 PM
when the spurs played the lakers, kobe was held to a low 22 points. even though that's still great, he didn't do what he usually does. bowen was defending kobe: http://www.nba.com/games/20090125/SASLAL/boxscore.html

RJ vs defending Lebron when they met. lebron went off for 55pts while RJ was defending. http://www.nba.com/games/20090220/CLEMIL/boxscore.html

again, spurs do get better from this deal. bowen did nothing other than defense. but i just think they lose bench depth and defense with this


your hilarious so you go get one game a piece when Bowen does good and Jefferson doesnt. Funny b/c Im quite sure anybody here can go look up a game where Kobe had 40 + on the Spurs. RJ does play defense maybe not as good as Bowen but is he an overall better player. Besides the Spurs are old as hell and to start getting younger.

Hawkeye15
06-23-2009, 01:14 PM
Bruce Bowen: Where 38 years old happens.

I'm still wondering why the Bucks did this trade. This marks the second straight year (if it is actually true) that RJ's been dealt right before the draft. Is there something to him that we don't know about?

money. Milwaukee can't possibly be making money. Bogut and Redd have big deals, and they would like to resign Sessions as well. Charlie V is also up. But it is mostly about money, if not 100% about that. This summer will be weird, there will be deals that make no basketball sense to the fans, due to salary dump from teams not making money

Chronz
06-23-2009, 01:15 PM
they don't need RJ. all he does is score. they already had that in duncan, mason, parker, manu...
Thats EXACTLY why they need him. Mason isnt a scorer and theyve been looking for a true SF for years now. I would somewhat see your point if Manu could stay healthy but they stood pat already and it didnt work. You need to upgrade, you cant keep hopin and wishin.


kobe and players of his caliber will torch RJ even more.
I dont know if you payed attention to the Spurs this year but Bowen hardly plays. An RJ/Manu wing attack would put pressure on Kobe at all times, with Bowen, Kobe can rest all he wants on D. There are advantages to every attack, RJ happens to be the better option.


I agree RJ is much better than Bowen in the offensive category, but they lose valuable defense.
The offensive gain more than makes up for it. If Bowen was as valuable as you think on the defensive end, he wouldnt be making pittance, and the Spurs wouldnt be dying to make this move.


They also would lose key bench guys. Kurt Thomas was their big that they placed on Shaq in the playoffs.

That was 2 years ago guy, Luckily for them they still have Gooden and you dont pass on a better player for the sake of matching up with Shaq. Hes not that good of a player anymore.

phlp_bj
06-23-2009, 01:15 PM
your hilarious so you go get one game a piece when Bowen does good and Jefferson doesnt. Funny b/c Im quite sure anybody here can go look up a game where Kobe had 40 + on the Spurs. RJ does play defense maybe not as good as Bowen but is he an overall better player. Besides the Spurs are old as hell and to start getting younger.

not saying this is a bad deal. if anything, bucks are losers in this deal. i guess the spurs needed a change

29$JerZ
06-23-2009, 01:16 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

b1e9a8r5s
06-23-2009, 01:16 PM
done deal according to chad ford...

he's chatting on espn right now.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 01:16 PM
Hell yes, please make this happen. Please please please please.

I love you Bruce, sorry you have to be gone......but this will help our team when with our scoring problems.

Chronz
06-23-2009, 01:16 PM
Makes me sick how Bowen was thrown under the bus this season. How can a guy go from being All NBA 1st team Defense to declining so much to not get much burn over a summer?

Thats what happens to players once they hit the 35 mark, it could literally end at any second.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Plus Bruce's contract isnt fully guarenteed this year..I would bet he gets waived or bought out or whatever, and hopefully he can return to the Spurs.

theuuord
06-23-2009, 01:17 PM
money. Milwaukee can't possibly be making money. Bogut and Redd have big deals, and they would like to resign Sessions as well. Charlie V is also up. But it is mostly about money, if not 100% about that. This summer will be weird, there will be deals that make no basketball sense to the fans, due to salary dump from teams not making money

Good point. RJ does have a massive salary and they all have expiring contracts. I've relegated myself the last couple of weeks to making sure to include the economy in every single thought about basketball operations, and this time it just slipped my mind.

The deal accomplishes both team's intentions, it seems.

TO to the CHI
06-23-2009, 01:18 PM
Bowen has declined a ton and RJ is not nearly as bad on D as he is being made out to be (and in the Spurs system he will be better than he has been in the past)

I think it is a good deal for the Spurs but they hurt their depth; I think they will actually miss Oberto the most

BlinkManJan02
06-23-2009, 01:19 PM
Good trade for both teams...btw what bball player wants to go to the Bucks...how dreadful. Btw Bowen is washed up and can't defend anywhere near as good as his younger days. I would take RJ covering KB over Bowen at this point.

thats sad but its true, thats why the bucks wont ever get any big time free agents and therefore wont ever be one of the top teams. i remember reading something about RJ not being happy that he had to play in Milwaukee, then Gilbert Arenas was making fun of him in his blog for having to play in milwaukee, cause no one wants to.

if this trade happens ill miss RJ, i wish we could have seen him Redd and bogut together more, DAMN INJURIES! i hope it doesnt but the bucks need cap space, so its probly the best thing for them.

RJ will be a nice compliment to Duncan, the spurs will improve a lot with him i think. great trade for the spurs in my opinion.

charlsdq7
06-23-2009, 01:19 PM
its official

charlsdq7
06-23-2009, 01:20 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

nycericanguy
06-23-2009, 01:20 PM
YES, and do you know why? Because hes a better player

Ok Bowen is old and his defense is more a product of his past reputation. he is clearly not the same defender he once was. Manu is no longer reliable so RJ is a good replacement and insurance and would also make Manu expendable in a trade for perhaps the 5th pick?

bottom line is Spurs just got a whole lot better...and im a knicks fan. on a good team as a 3rd option RJ is a great player.

phlp_bj
06-23-2009, 01:21 PM
Ok Bowen is old and his defense is more a product of his past reputation. he is clearly not the same defender he once was. Manu is no longer reliable so RJ is a good replacement and insurance and would also make Manu expendable in a trade for perhaps the 5th pick?

bottom line is Spurs just got a whole lot better...and im a knicks fan. on a good team as a 3rd option RJ is a great player.

never thought of that

king4day
06-23-2009, 01:22 PM
I like this a lot for the Bucks. They add a ton of vet leadership. They were close to making the playoffs last year. This may get them in. They will miss that scoring though.

DJ CHACH
06-23-2009, 01:22 PM
wheres tyson beckford gonna live?

Vidball
06-23-2009, 01:22 PM
The average age on the Spurs just dropped from 30 to 28...random fact :)

Zefflin
06-23-2009, 01:22 PM
I think they will actually miss Oberto the most

x2

KnickVeteran
06-23-2009, 01:23 PM
San Antonio had to get a little younger. I don't expect Milwaukee to keep Bowen, so I would expect Bowen to go back to the Spurs. I actually like this move for the Spurs. They get better offensively. I expect them to add some pieces to make up for the lost of Thomas which IMO is a major lost. Don't get surprised if they add Rasheed Wallace or move for a guy like Joe Smith.

nYk_wAy
06-23-2009, 01:23 PM
I'm not saying Bowen is the best defender in the league. He sure isn't a liability that's for damn sure. His defense could be used still, and deserved to be out there a little more then he did.

He was on All NBA Defense team last year, what's that, when he was 37?

Vee-Rex
06-23-2009, 01:24 PM
Spurs would be stupid not to make this trade. Bruce Bowen is now a BUM.

His 3-point shot isn't falling like it used to. He's getting old and slow. He can't score.

Bruce Bowen is quickly becoming a complete NON-FACTOR on the court. Kobe or Lebron would torch him for 436346 points right now. Richard Jefferson would be a big plus to the Spurs.

Cubs Win
06-23-2009, 01:25 PM
ESPN just reported that the Bucks have agreed to the deal.

Vidball
06-23-2009, 01:25 PM
Anyone find it interesting that Yahoo broke this story an hour before ESPN did? It's nice to see other companies giving ESPN a run!

Zefflin
06-23-2009, 01:26 PM
I don't expect Milwaukee to keep Bowen, so I would expect Bowen to go back to the Spurs.

Why's that?

Those dirty Spurs are so good at trading players away and getting them right back...

bullcubbear23
06-23-2009, 01:26 PM
espn just said they have agreed to a deal...it was on sportscenter. anyone else catch it?

Chronz
06-23-2009, 01:26 PM
when the spurs played the lakers, kobe was held to a low 22 points. even though that's still great, he didn't do what he usually does. bowen was defending kobe: http://www.nba.com/games/20090125/SASLAL/boxscore.html

RJ vs defending Lebron when they met. lebron went off for 55pts while RJ was defending. http://www.nba.com/games/20090220/CLEMIL/boxscore.html

again, spurs do get better from this deal. bowen did nothing other than defense. but i just think they lose bench depth and defense with this

Thank you for posting those games, the perimeter starters alongside TP shot 4/15, and the Spurs couldnt manufacture enough offense to win the game. Enter RJ, and his defense will look alot better with Duncan behind him.

Hustla23
06-23-2009, 01:27 PM
I like this a lot for the Bucks. They add a ton of vet leadership. They were close to making the playoffs last year. This may get them in. They will miss that scoring though.

lol Are you serious? A washed up Kurt Thomas Bruce Bowen and a Oberto is going to get them into the playoffs?

This was a purely financial move. The Bucks just got a whole lost worse.

I don't get this move by them. They have to rebuild all over now. Get rid of Redd and Bogut and Gadzuric somehow.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 01:28 PM
Why's that?

Those dirty Spurs are so good at trading players away and getting them right back...

Bowen and Oberto's contracts arent fully guarenteed this year, so they could just waive them and not have to pay them the full thing. After that happens, Bowen and or Oberto could come back to the Spurs if they want, and if the Spurs want them.

xmoney328
06-23-2009, 01:28 PM
Great trade for the Spurs they got what they need...a athletic swingman...up next a athletic big...Birdman or Sean William maybe Sheed.

BlinkManJan02
06-23-2009, 01:28 PM
so it happened?! whaa! bye RJ :(
yup its on ESPN, gotta love the offseason, you wake up one morning and your team just made a trade. crazy!

draft night is just two days away, alright!

KnickVeteran
06-23-2009, 01:28 PM
Why's that?

Those dirty Spurs are so good at trading players away and getting them right back...

Why would Milwaukee keep Bowen when they have young players in Moute and Alexander? I don't think they will let a 38 year old guy stop their growth.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 01:28 PM
By the way people, Bowen's D is not that washed up. He still played great defense last year, but Pop's strategy was to outscore people...hence him using no defense Finley and Bonner, over Bowen/KT/Gooden

JordansBulls
06-23-2009, 01:29 PM
so they trade the awesome defender in bowen, who usually defends kobe and such players for RJ who plays no defense at all?

Bowen is like 38 or 39 now he can't defend Kobe anymore any better than Jefferson can. Also you gotta remember that Finley is now 37 years old as well. Spurs need someone else to make plays.

tromo9
06-23-2009, 01:29 PM
The Milwaukee Bucks agreed to trade Richard Jefferson to the San Antonio Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto a Bucks source told ESPN.com.


NBA Rumor Central

ESPN Insider has the updated buzz from the National Basketball Association rumor mill.
Story Insider

The two teams have agreed to the deal in principle. A trade call to make the deal official is coming later Tuesday.

The move gives the Spurs a dynamic wing scorer to play alongside Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. The Spurs had promised to make their team better this summer and adding Jefferson for role players should give them a huge shot in the arm.

The Bucks incentive to make the trade is largely financial. Bowen, Oberto and Thomas are all in the last year of their contracts. The deal will clear $15 million off the books for the Bucks next season and give Milwaukee more flexibility for next year. It also saves them roughly $3 million this year. That may give the Bucks the wiggle room to sign one of their restricted free agents -- either Charlie Villanueva or Ramon Sessions -- next year.

Obviously Bowen, Oberto and Thomas also give the Bucks some veterans who will fill key holes for the team. The move also opens up some playing time for the Bucks lottery pick last year, Joe Alexander.


thoughts?

king4day
06-23-2009, 01:31 PM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375691

Already posted

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

JordansBulls
06-23-2009, 01:31 PM
We need the official link.

Edit: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/27094





Chad Ford
Hold on one second ... A GM just callled .. breaking trade ... one minute

Chad Ford
The trade is Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas ... more coming in just a second. Deal is agreed to in principle with a trade call coming later today


Chad Ford
Guys you're going to have to give me a few minutes ... ESPN needs a few more details.Yes, it's a great deal for the Spurs, but don't kill the Bucks either. This gives them lots of flexibility going forward.

jiggajay23
06-23-2009, 01:31 PM
wheres tyson beckford gonna live?

Are you talking about the rumors that jefferson had a gay relationship with beckford? Cuz i heard about that also i wouldnt be shocked if it was true. I also heard jason kidds wife threw paint at jeffersons car because she thought it was jason kidds car. Can anyone confirm these rumors?

D_Rose1118
06-23-2009, 01:31 PM
sucks for RJ getting traded twicxe in two years

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 01:31 PM
This so made my day.

I hope we get Sheed in the offseason

Chronz
06-23-2009, 01:31 PM
3 things. The no hand check rule put in a few years ago started to diminish his skill, he is getting older, and that corner 3 stopped falling. He did as well as an unskilled player could do.
Bowen lost some of his luster with the rule changes, but he wasnt as impacted by it as much as brutish defenders like Artest were. In fact you could argue Bowen became a better defender with those rule changes because it separated what he could accomplish from most other defenders in the league.

It probably did diminish his skills, but it only magnified his importance and value, teams thought it was important to have a guy who could stay in front of the ball without fouling, thats when we saw contenders load up on defensive specialist, but it turned out, its more productive to find players who can take advantage of those rules offensively.

Brew Crew
06-23-2009, 01:32 PM
YES! Great trade for the Bucks. Jefferson tried to be the big star last year and put up way to many shots, and the Bucks get a great defender.

DRE'-MAC
06-23-2009, 01:32 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

carter15
06-23-2009, 01:32 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291
done deal.

NYsportsGuru
06-23-2009, 01:33 PM
This move will help the Spurs.
RJ should become a huge asset with his ability to create his own shot and drive to the basket... also if one of the big 3 were to get hurt at any point next season, you guys now have RJ to step up and fill in.

Hustla23
06-23-2009, 01:35 PM
Parker
Ginobli
Jefferson
Duncan
Sheed?

That is a great lineup

showtym24
06-23-2009, 01:35 PM
Is it febuary or june?

JordansBulls
06-23-2009, 01:36 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291




The Milwaukee Bucks agreed to trade Richard Jefferson to the San Antonio Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto a Bucks source told ESPN.com.

The two teams have agreed to the deal in principle. A trade call to make the deal official is coming later Tuesday.



Good deal

Jahari Kavi
06-23-2009, 01:36 PM
damnit.......i hate the spurs.

showtym24
06-23-2009, 01:37 PM
If Manu can get back to his normal self lakers and spurs in the conference finals next year will be fun to watch.

lakersrock
06-23-2009, 01:38 PM
The Lakers are still better. Ariza can cover RJ and now they have NOBODY to cover Kobe. Bowen had gotten a lot worse, but he was still able to be a pain for Kobe. Now he'll destroy Manu in the post or RJ outside. If they get Rasheed I'll start to worry.

jiggajay23
06-23-2009, 01:38 PM
wow just another huge flopper added to the team....SAN ANTONIO fans are you ready to watch 50 free throws per GAME?

Lo Porto
06-23-2009, 01:39 PM
Great trade for the Spurs and I hate saying that. There is a reason they are always contending. Why can't the Jazz make that kind of deal?

GoatMilk
06-23-2009, 01:39 PM
they got no bigs.

Duncan and Bonner, yay!

lol they're not done yet.
do you guys think they can trade Manu for a PF/C?

Hawkeye15
06-23-2009, 01:39 PM
oh god, please don't start anything involving the Lakers, please. Just leave it on task.

hops555
06-23-2009, 01:43 PM
so they trade the awesome defender in bowen, who usually defends kobe and such players for RJ who plays no defense at all?

actually, Ginobili has been their "kobe stopper"......he has been more effective against kobe, y do u think kobe elbowed him in the face that one game

showtym24
06-23-2009, 01:43 PM
oh god, please don't start anything involving the Lakers, please. Just leave it on task.

Lakers> Spurs :D

nycericanguy
06-23-2009, 01:44 PM
never thought of that

they were reportedly offering Manu to the wizards for the 5th and butler

DerekRE_3
06-23-2009, 01:44 PM
so they trade the awesome defender in bowen, who usually defends kobe and such players for RJ who plays no defense at all?

Bowen didn't even really play a lot last year.

Jay22Redd
06-23-2009, 01:44 PM
Wow! who's the spurs gm?

theuuord
06-23-2009, 01:44 PM
oh god, please don't start anything involving the Lakers, please. Just leave it on task.

too late. don't you know that everything that ever happens ever in the NBA revolves around how it affects the Lakers?

Jahari Kavi
06-23-2009, 01:45 PM
bowen is no longer an elite defender...i always thought jefferson was pretty good defensively anyways....all the spurs have to do is get some backup bigs for duncan and they'll be contenders again..........spurs management is really good, regardless of how much I despise that team.

PhillyForLife90
06-23-2009, 01:45 PM
Wow great deal for the Spurs. If they can get Sheed this summer too, then look out.

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I'm glad to see that they are more concerned with winning than specifically about finances. This is a tremendous acquisition. Jefferson is a great team player, and he will settle in as a 3rd option on offense. He also allows the team to play Ginobili as the 6th man & limit his minutes & chance for injuries. Last season the team's problem was that they only had 3-4 guys in their rotation that were looking to score (Parker, Duncan, Ginobili & Mason). Then a few of them got banged up & the team couldn't beat the top teams who had scoring threats at every position. This adds one more very good scorer to the mix.

They gave up nothing of value to acquire him, this was essentially a salary dump by Milwaukee. The Spurs management deserves plenty props here. I think they are now better than the Nuggets.

Hustla23
06-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I think the Spurs with this trade have already made themselves title contenders.

arkanian215
06-23-2009, 01:46 PM
Good trade for both teams...btw what bball player wants to go to the Bucks...how dreadful. Btw Bowen is washed up and can't defend anywhere near as good as his younger days. I would take RJ covering KB over Bowen at this point.
haha i think gilbert said that in his blog. rj took it pretty bad. best of luck rj. good move for both. advantage goes to san antonio.

bahama0811
06-23-2009, 01:47 PM
Good move for the Spurs, they just got better.

Seventh King
06-23-2009, 01:47 PM
Interesting trade; wtf are the Bucks doing? Expirings...to resign CV and RS? Veteran Depth? Spurs gotta be dancing in the streets.

MJ-BULLS
06-23-2009, 01:47 PM
wow good deal for the spurs

dre1990
06-23-2009, 01:47 PM
PG - Parker
SG - Manu (basically starts)
SF - RJ
PF - Drew Gooden
C - Tim Duncan (maybe replace Drew with Matt Bonner)
And They Hav a very nice bench, This would put them in contention

Jahari Kavi
06-23-2009, 01:47 PM
still plenty of bigs out there...gortat and sheed just to name a couple.........lakers fans acting like they're invincible or something...smh....must have forgotten about round 2 in the playoffs.

EDIT

forgot about gooden...to be honest they can afford a manu injury.....if he's healthy they just might do it again....damnit...........

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 01:48 PM
oh god, please don't start anything involving the lakers, please. Just leave it on task.

x2.

Mc Uncle Cola
06-23-2009, 01:48 PM
good deal for spurs

greg_ory_2005
06-23-2009, 01:48 PM
Nice trade for the Spurs. RJ is a real nice player, and makes them a bit younger too.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 01:49 PM
Gooden is a FA, and isnt on the team anymore. He will be testing the FA waters he said

arkanian215
06-23-2009, 01:49 PM
Wow! who's the spurs gm?

he's good at drafting too. parker in late first, manu in late first. timmy an obvious steal. hill looks like a good player so far. got rid of leandro barbosa though. thiago splitter might be here soon. maybe an anderson varejao type i dont know yet.

BTownTeamsRKing
06-23-2009, 01:49 PM
Tony Parker
Manu
RJ
Tim Duncan
Elson? who cares lol

thats a solid 4. this exactly what the Spurs needed. I bet Bowen will be bought out and return to SA.

Thatruth32
06-23-2009, 01:50 PM
hell of a trade for spurs.... plus u gotta think jigga is clearin cap to make a run at bron next year

yanksknicksgmen
06-23-2009, 01:51 PM
good deal for the spurs rj will help them

KH12
06-23-2009, 01:51 PM
Awesome! San Antonio is the only other team in the NBA that I can root for. This is a great move for them.

Ragun
06-23-2009, 01:52 PM
so they trade the awesome defender in bowen, who usually defends kobe and such players for RJ who plays no defense at all?

bowen sucks now...

spurs made a great, great trade. bucks should of got a first in that.

BTownTeamsRKing
06-23-2009, 01:52 PM
well we usually blame the Spurs for being Boring as hell, but this might set off all the contenders to make trades to improve their teams.

MikefromMars
06-23-2009, 01:52 PM
The thing is... Bucks will probably cut Kurt Thomas and Bowen for $$$ reasons and then they will resign with the Spurs after the waiting period. I'm not sure this will happen with Thomas, but it will DEF happen with Bowen. Bowen will be back with the Spurs. Salaries have to match up for trades to work and it is clear to me that the Bucks are doing this for money, which can only mean they are going to be getting rid of one or two of the players on their roster or aquired from this trade.

This trade is basically Oberto for Jefferson.

Spurs win this trade, BIG.

Catfish1314
06-23-2009, 01:54 PM
so they trade the awesome defender in bowen, who usually defends kobe and such players for RJ who plays no defense at all?

Bowen is 38 years old and FAR from an "awesome" defender these days. And Jefferson is a good defender when he needs to be. He's 6'9, has good length and lateral quickness. That and desire is all you need to be a good defender.

Lamar Odom was only an average defender in the regular season but became a great defender in the postseason, particularly the Finals. It happens all the time.


they don't need RJ. all he does is score. they already had that in duncan, mason, parker, manu...

kobe and players of his caliber will torch RJ even more. I agree RJ is much better than Bowen in the offensive category, but they lose valuable defense. They also would lose key bench guys. Kurt Thomas was their big that they placed on Shaq in the playoffs.

They needed some athleticism and some youth. RJ is not young, but he's not ancient like Kurt Thomas and Bruce Bowen.

Shaq probably won't even be with the Suns next year so the Spurs likely won't have to worry about him ever again.

C-Whoever
PF-Tim Duncan
SF-Richard Jefferson
SG-Michael Finley/Manu Ginobili
PG-Tony Parker

Great, great trade for the Spurs.

theuuord
06-23-2009, 01:54 PM
The thing is... Bucks will probably cut Kurt Thomas and Bowen for $$$ reasons and then they will resign with the Spurs after the waiting period. I'm not sure this will happen with Thomas, but it will DEF happen with Bowen. Bowen will be back with the Spurs. Salaries have to match up for trades to work and it is clear to me that the Bucks are doing this for money, which can only mean they are going to be getting rid of one or two of the players on their roster or aquired from this trade.

This trade is basically Oberto for Jefferson.

Spurs win this trade, BIG.

Basketball-wise you're right, but I think it's obviously clear that the Bucks didn't do this for basketball reasons.

bringbackfredex
06-23-2009, 01:54 PM
Great trade for the Spurs, the Bucks are just a lost cause...

bolts4ever
06-23-2009, 01:54 PM
Welcome NBA world back to the SPURS LAKERS RIVALRY unfortunately when we sign our guys lamar and trevor back we will still be to explosive but I do think WE WILL MEET EACHOTHER IN THE WEST CONF. FINALS

X-factor Spurs signing SHEED

I'm calling it now LAKESHOW IN 6 tight series though

Pierzynski4Prez
06-23-2009, 01:55 PM
hell of a trade for spurs.... plus u gotta think jigga is clearin cap to make a run at bron next year

Who is Jigga?

The only thing I can think of what you are talking about is Jay-Z. Don't see how a trade between the Bucks and Spurs helps him out though. Unless you still thought RJ was on the Nets.

NYK|NYY
06-23-2009, 01:55 PM
Good trade for the Spurs, wonder if he will mesh well. He probably will since everything the Spurs do turns out great.

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 01:55 PM
Wow great deal for the Spurs. If they can get Sheed this summer too, then look out.

If they get Sheed I am probably going to pick them as the pre-season favorites.....But the other top teams could certainly change that stance if they make some moves.

GrkGawdofWalkz
06-23-2009, 01:55 PM
As a Spurs fan, he does a lot. Bowen could most likely be waived by a Bucks team looking to shed money to resign one of Villaneuva and or Ramon Sessions. Bowen could still return to the Spurs. I love the move and he can hit outside shots and provide steady scoring. We really didn't give up much besides Thomas.

Chronz
06-23-2009, 01:56 PM
The Lakers are still better. Ariza can cover RJ and now they have NOBODY to cover Kobe. Bowen had gotten a lot worse, but he was still able to be a pain for Kobe. Now he'll destroy Manu in the post or RJ outside. If they get Rasheed I'll start to worry.

If Manu is healthy he can check Kobe, and now he wont have to score as much so he can conserve it for the defensive end. Lakers may or may not be better, we have yet to see the Spurs with all their new toys at full capacity.

BTownTeamsRKing
06-23-2009, 01:56 PM
This trade is undoubtedly a 10 for the Spurs. Great trade executive of the Spurs!

RJ brings the needed youth and athleticism this team sorely needed.

BALLER71
06-23-2009, 01:56 PM
Good trade for the Spurs, they get a good athletic wing to compliment that great inside game they have.

WolvesFan23
06-23-2009, 01:57 PM
I think this was an ok move for the Spurs but trading away Bruce Bowen who has shut down Kobe and other nba studs i'm not to sure about. I think the Bucks win this one adding two decent Big Men to the post to complement Bogut. But RJ to the Spurs should give them a good chance to go deep in the playoffs if everyone stays healthy

JordansBulls
06-23-2009, 01:58 PM
I know one thing, we better not have another Cleveland vs Spurs finals again.

D_Rose1118
06-23-2009, 01:59 PM
you think this means ginobili gets traded

Bucks_Packers
06-23-2009, 01:59 PM
The Bucks were one of the highest paid teams last year, so we had to do something. Will this make the bucks any better? of course not. But it will keep the team in milwaukee, and we will still be competitive in the east.

D_Rose1118
06-23-2009, 02:00 PM
I know one thing, we better not have another Cleveland vs Spurs finals again.

yeah that was awful

torontosports10
06-23-2009, 02:01 PM
Bowen will be released, saving the Bucks 2 million, then he will re-sign with the Spurs.

Jahari Kavi
06-23-2009, 02:01 PM
I think this was an ok move for the Spurs but trading away Bruce Bowen who has shut down Kobe and other nba studs i'm not to sure about. I think the Bucks win this one adding two decent Big Men to the post to complement Bogut. But RJ to the Spurs should give them a good chance to go deep in the playoffs if everyone stays healthy

huh???...listen Bowen didn't play at all last season, because he is ancient....he is no longer a shut down defender....oberto = joke...thomas = decent, but replaceable....spurs win this easily.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 02:01 PM
you think this means ginobili gets traded

No

jtrinaldi
06-23-2009, 02:01 PM
yep it keeps us in milwaukee and will make luc bah moute a even better defender than he already is

Jahari Kavi
06-23-2009, 02:01 PM
yeah that was awful

because it was lebron vs. the spurs.....cavs would bring a much better team to the table if it were to happen again.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 02:02 PM
I know one thing, we better not have another Cleveland vs Spurs finals again.

Why? The Cavs are much better, and there is no way it would be the same as last time.

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:02 PM
Good trade for the Spurs, wonder if he will mesh well. He probably will since everything the Spurs do turns out great.

I think that he certainly will. He played with VC, K-Mart & Kidd before & never pouted about anything. And I think the Spurs top players are more team oriented & respected than some of the aforementioned names.

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:05 PM
I know one thing, we better not have another Cleveland vs Spurs finals again.
Why not? If they make it there against the other top teams they certainly deserve it.


The Bucks were one of the highest paid teams last year, so we had to do something. Will this make the bucks any better? of course not. But it will keep the team in milwaukee, and we will still be competitive in the east.
There's no way that they will be better this season after trading Jefferson, and with Redd at least missing the start of the season.

BALLER71
06-23-2009, 02:05 PM
Why? The Cavs are much better, and there is no way it would be the same as last time.

Because it will bring terrible ratings.

marques724
06-23-2009, 02:05 PM
Good trade for the spurs. If Manu stays healthy we will be looking at another spurs vs lakers WCF

EAGLES3658
06-23-2009, 02:06 PM
Wow, Spurs raped the Bucks.

Giannis94
06-23-2009, 02:07 PM
I really hate this trade for my milwaukee bucks. it sucks to be a bucks fan today especially whne you only get cap in return and they are just going to sign sessions and villenuva. So its the same team as last year but with out jerfferson

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Because it will bring terrible ratings.

True basketball fans would watch, because it would be a good series

Hawkeye15
06-23-2009, 02:09 PM
well, the Bucks had no choice. They gave Bogut too much, had 3 high deals, and 2 free agents that I am sure they wanted to keep coming up for contracts. It gives them flexibility moving forward, but I do feel for Bucks fans for the upcoming season.

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:10 PM
Because it will bring terrible ratings.

Not if it is a close series.

Do you care more about how high the ratings are or watching a good basketball series?

BALLER71
06-23-2009, 02:10 PM
True basketball fans would watch, because it would be a good series

There aren't many of those.

STAT32
06-23-2009, 02:10 PM
Rot in Milwaukee Bruce Bowen....

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:11 PM
I really hate this trade for my milwaukee bucks. it sucks to be a bucks fan today especially whne you only get cap in return and they are just going to sign sessions and villenuva. So its the same team as last year but with out jerfferson

I think they would have been much better off with Jefferson than Villanueva, even though he does make more than Villanueva will receive. Jefferson is much more efficient, and simply a better all around player than Villanueva.

BTownTeamsRKing
06-23-2009, 02:12 PM
I really hate this trade for my milwaukee bucks. it sucks to be a bucks fan today especially whne you only get cap in return and they are just going to sign sessions and villenuva. So its the same team as last year but with out jerfferson

yea i cant lie, that does suck.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 02:13 PM
Rot in Milwaukee Bruce Bowen....

Theres always that a possibility he is bought out and returns to the Spurs

jmastert
06-23-2009, 02:13 PM
phenomenal trade for the spurs they have so much talent this is why they have one of the best franchises in the league.

my nets gotta do something

BALLER71
06-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Not if it is a close series.

Do you care more about how high the ratings are or watching a good basketball series?

Good basketball, of course.But how is that relevant?

STAT32
06-23-2009, 02:14 PM
^^^ True, which could be what happens considering his age and how long his tenure is San Antonio was.

NYsportsGuru
06-23-2009, 02:14 PM
I see that a lot of you are bringing up a potential Lakers vs. Spurs WCF, and that could be a strong possibility if the Spurs big players can stay healthy. Hell, even just with a healthy Manu the Spurs are going to be a lot tougher next year. Now, with RJ added to the team, they should be even better.
All they need now is another big man to play along side of Duncan.

JordansBulls
06-23-2009, 02:15 PM
Because it will bring terrible ratings.

:nod:

The only legit finals would be Spurs vs Celtics if San Antonio makes it.

BTownTeamsRKing
06-23-2009, 02:15 PM
phenomenal trade for the spurs they have so much talent this is why they have one of the best franchises in the league.

my nets gotta do something

it will likely be trading VC to further the rebuilding process.
possibly VC for the 5th pick.

ronaldsmith_86
06-23-2009, 02:17 PM
Great Day for a Spurs Fan! now all we need is Sheed

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:18 PM
Theres always that a possibility he is bought out and returns to the Spurs
The Spurs are getting good at that.... :pity:


Good basketball, of course.But how is that relevant?

You seem to be more worried about ratings than letting the two teams who deservingly advance play their series.

NYsportsGuru
06-23-2009, 02:21 PM
Great Day for a Spurs Fan! now all we need is Sheed

That would be huge!

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 02:21 PM
Good basketball, of course.But how is that relevant?

JB said it it better not be Cavs- Spurs. We asked why, because it would be a good series. You said it would be terrible ratings. I think he is asking what do the ratings matter to a true basketball fan, when the series would be a good one.

Bones10564
06-23-2009, 02:21 PM
That's crazy for Milwaukee - I'm stranded in Milwaukee now & all I've seen are commercials with Jefferson in them. I would've thought they loved him out here & were planning to build with him here. Must be something about him? Still don't get your hopes up Spur Fans YOU STILL CAN'T HANDLE THE LAKERS!!!

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 02:23 PM
The Spurs are getting good at that.... :pity:

:nod:

That would just be icing on the cake, to let Bowen finish his career out here. He would still get mins as well if he returned since Udoka is gone.

BALLER71
06-23-2009, 02:23 PM
The Spurs are getting good at that.... :pity:



You seem to be more worried about ratings than letting the two teams who deservingly advance play their series.

No, I want to see good basketball. In this case we're talking about Spurs in the finals. But other people don't feel this way because they want to see Lebron and Kobe or Celts vs. Lakers. Therefore, bad ratings and David Stern gets screwed.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 02:24 PM
That's crazy for Milwaukee - I'm stranded in Milwaukee now & all I've seen are commercials with Jefferson in them. I would've thought they loved him out here & were planning to build with him here. Must be something about him? Still don't get your hopes up Spur Fans YOU STILL CAN'T HANDLE THE LAKERS!!!

This thread has nothing to do with the Lakers, so why bring something like that up. It will just cause arguments that have nothing to do with the thread

GrkGawdofWalkz
06-23-2009, 02:28 PM
That's crazy for Milwaukee - I'm stranded in Milwaukee now & all I've seen are commercials with Jefferson in them. I would've thought they loved him out here & were planning to build with him here. Must be something about him? Still don't get your hopes up Spur Fans YOU STILL CAN'T HANDLE THE LAKERS!!!

Still makes us a better as a team regardless of how great the Lakers are. It's a good sign to see a change happen.

GoatMilk
06-23-2009, 02:30 PM
how is it not a great trade?

HouRealCoach
06-23-2009, 02:32 PM
They are gonna get Bowen back....

TD is getting old Manu had injury problems and they needed more firepower this is a great trade for both sides

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:33 PM
No, I want to see good basketball. In this case we're talking about Spurs in the finals. But other people don't feel this way because they want to see Lebron and Kobe or Celts vs. Lakers. Therefore, bad ratings and David Stern gets screwed.

Whichever two teams win the East & West will draw me to watch each NBA Finals game, regardless of who they are. I don't care if they are the big market teams or not. I really like watching a guy like Tim Duncan play even though he is not in LA or NY.

IndyRealist
06-23-2009, 02:39 PM
1) This is a cost cutting move by the Bucks. Jefferson is owed $29.2M over two years. This way they can resign Villaneuva and Sessions without having to worry about next year's cap.
2) Bruce Bowen will probably be bought out for a fraction of his contract, and resign with the Spurs for the league minimum.
3) Richard Jefferson is Manu insurance. The way the team is structured they need a 3rd 16pt+ scorer. George Hill and Roger Mason aren't it. Manu may retire in the next couple of years, and the core will be Parker, Jefferson, and Duncan.

chin chukwu
06-23-2009, 02:41 PM
the SPURS lose bench depth?....relax, the offseason just started.

JWO35
06-23-2009, 02:43 PM
Bruce will return to the Spurs, the Bucks don't want Bruce Bowen

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:43 PM
the SPURS lose bench depth?....relax, the offseason just started.

They should be able to sign a few veterans to nice one year deals, since very few teams are willing to offer long term contracts that could cut into their summer of 2010 budget.

J_M_B
06-23-2009, 02:45 PM
San Antonio making one more attempt for a 5th NBA title.

JordansBulls
06-23-2009, 02:49 PM
People who are thinking this a bad move for the Spurs are crazy. Jefferson isn't going there to be the 2nd option. He will be clearly either a 3rd or 4th option on this team and more likely the 4th option.

Spurs needed to do this. Finley is like 37 and Bowen is like 38. They had no slashing wing player. Now they have the speed at PG, the shooting at the SG and now the athletic wing at the 3 including of course still having Duncan. If the Spurs still have Gooden they will be fine. But imagine Rasheed going there now?

Spurs become pretty much the Lakers as far as being the most balanced team in the league.

Carey
06-23-2009, 02:49 PM
Who says RJ does play D, he's one of the better perimeter defenders in the whole league. some people should watch more basketball

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:53 PM
People who are thinking this a bad move for the Spurs are crazy. Jefferson isn't going there to be the 2nd option. He will be clearly either a 3rd or 4th option on this team and more likely the 4th option.

Spurs needed to do this. Finley is like 37 and Bowen is like 38. They had no slashing wing player. Now they have the speed at PG, the shooting at the SG and now the athletic wing at the 3 including of course still having Duncan. If the Spurs still have Gooden they will be fine. But imagine Rasheed going there now?

Spurs become pretty much the Lakers as far as being the most balanced team in the league.

I didn't see anyone saying that this was a bad move. For a team that is near the luxury tax, this was the only way for them to improve. And it was a great trade.

I could possibly see Finley retiring now, because he will realize that he will be behind guys like Ginobili, Jefferson, Mason & possibly Bowen on the team's depth chart at SG/SF.

D Roses Bulls
06-23-2009, 02:53 PM
they don't need RJ. all he does is score. they already had that in duncan, mason, parker, manu...

kobe and players of his caliber will torch RJ even more. I agree RJ is much better than Bowen in the offensive category, but they lose valuable defense. They also would lose key bench guys. Kurt Thomas was their big that they placed on Shaq in the playoffs.

bowen was on his way down. you can see he lost a step big time on the defensive side and he's not the three point threat he use to be. i know jefferson is a ball hog but duncan wont put up with that in SA. good trade for the spurs

Brooklyn Mets
06-23-2009, 02:55 PM
C - Tim Duncan
PF - Drew Gooden
SF - Richard Jeffeson
SG - Manu Ginobli
PG - Tony Parker

6th man - Roger Mason

pretty stacked..

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 02:57 PM
C - Tim Duncan
PF - Drew Gooden
SF - Richard Jeffeson
SG - Manu Ginobli
PG - Tony Parker

6th man - Roger Mason

pretty stacked..

Ginobili won't be starting now that they got another scorer in the starting 5. Popovich will want to limit his PT as much as possible, even though that is very hard to do when he goes on one of his hot stretches.

BUCSFORLIFE123
06-23-2009, 03:00 PM
they don't need RJ. all he does is score. they already had that in duncan, mason, parker, manu...

kobe and players of his caliber will torch RJ even more. I agree RJ is much better than Bowen in the offensive category, but they lose valuable defense. They also would lose key bench guys. Kurt Thomas was their big that they placed on Shaq in the playoffs.

exactly. can the spurs nowadays keep up wit scoring wit the lakers? no they cant dats why they brought in RJ look at them in the playoffs against hte mavs every single game it was jus tony and duncan. plus hes alot younger than bowen who barely plays any minutes now

GrkGawdofWalkz
06-23-2009, 03:00 PM
C - Tim Duncan
PF - Drew Gooden
SF - Richard Jeffeson
SG - Manu Ginobli
PG - Tony Parker

6th man - Roger Mason

pretty stacked..


Gooden is an UFA and Pop's didn't like his play during the playoffs. I highly doubt he returns. He will request more than the veterans exemption and will walk to a better situation. We need more size which is where we hope Rasheed comes in.

J_M_B
06-23-2009, 03:07 PM
C-Tim Duncan
PF-Drew Gooden
SF-Richard Jefferson
SG-Manu Ginobili
PG-Tony Parker

6th man-Roger Mason

I think the Spurs want to challenge the Lakers for the top spot in the west.

Durant is hype
06-23-2009, 03:07 PM
Great trade for the Spurs,this IMO puts them with Lakers,Rockets as true contenders.

Er1c
06-23-2009, 03:10 PM
good trade for spurs. added another great scorer

pippsux
06-23-2009, 03:20 PM
And the Bucks get what?!

Sean McG
06-23-2009, 03:29 PM
I don't get it for the Bucks.. Thomas and Oberto will be backups to Villanueva and Bogut, then Bowen might start but now this pretty much guarantees the Bucks will draft a SF. I dunno what the cap figures are so this may have been an attempt to get more cap space, but I'm not sure.

Definitely like it for the Spurs though.

theuuord
06-23-2009, 03:31 PM
I don't get it for the Bucks.. Thomas and Oberto will be backups to Villanueva and Bogut, then Bowen might start but now this pretty much guarantees the Bucks will draft a SF. I dunno what the cap figures are so this may have been an attempt to get more cap space, but I'm not sure.

Definitely like it for the Spurs though.

This was obviously a purely financial deal. All of the contracts the Bucks are getting are expiring this coming year.

Nighthawk
06-23-2009, 03:37 PM
Bruce Bowen in his prime was a terrific defender and while i still think hes better than average hes living off rep at this point and hes clearly not what he was. All 3 players are mediocre AT BEST and Jefferson can be a number 1. Mix that with Duncan, Parker, Manu, and Mason and you got yaself a good squad. Plus S.A NEEDS to get young bodies on their roster. Duncan is the man. But sadly he isnt going to play for ever. Same goes for Manu

Marques24kobe
06-23-2009, 03:44 PM
I dont want to hear POPs complaining about the Gasol trade anymore. This is pretty close. Anyways I think its a good trade for the Spurs.

Makes me wonder if they try and trade Manu now for a center. They have no center now. Im sure it will make them better. Cant wait for the Spurs Lakers series next year it should be good again.

asomen
06-23-2009, 03:46 PM
I dont want to hear POPs complaining about the Gasol trade anymore. This is pretty close. Anyways I think its a good trade for the Spurs.

Makes me wonder if they try and trade Manu now for a center. They have no center now. Im sure it will make them better. Cant wait for the Spurs Lakers series next year it should be good again.

Wishful thinking...but i'd like to see a trade involving manu to get the 1st pick to get griffin.

Have griffin playing the 4 spot and duncan playing center. Good game.

Hellcrooner
06-23-2009, 03:50 PM
Parker, Manu,Jefferson, Duncan , SHEED.

sounds some competition for us again. :(

theimortalone
06-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Wow what a good trade for the Spurs. That makes them even more defensive! Yikes. I wonder if Manu is traded for a center. Or if they sign Sheed. Hmmm.

_Supreme_
06-23-2009, 04:02 PM
Great trade for the Spurs.

UK Bull
06-23-2009, 04:06 PM
Good trade for the Spurs they just need a true center.

JayW_1023
06-23-2009, 04:07 PM
Sad to see Bruce Bowen go...but we finally have a legitimate scorer now with atheltic prowess. Plus RJ is a capable defender too. This trade is exactly what we need.

AirJordan23
06-23-2009, 04:09 PM
Bowen and Oberto will probably get waived and sign with the Spurs. This was a financial deal from the Bucks' point of view since they need to re-sign Sessions and Charlie. Spurs get better since they get another offensive force who is also a decent defender. Spurs also have the full MLE which will probably be used to get someone like Sheed. Although I hope Denver signs Sheed, we need a quality back up big.

Tom81
06-23-2009, 04:10 PM
great deal for spurs

azkarraga
06-23-2009, 04:11 PM
I've always liked Jefferson a lot. i must agree with those saying he's a better player than bowen. i'd love to see him winning it all.

it's a great move for the spurs.

JayW_1023
06-23-2009, 04:12 PM
The reason why I like this trade is because this will keep our starters fresh...Pop can now rest Manu and Duncan and we still won't lose much firepower when they are sitting.

I really like our team now...I just hope we hold on to Manu. He is still our intangibles guy.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 04:16 PM
Dont see why the Spurs would trade Manu now. I think the Spurs are either going to sign a big man for FA, and possibly draft one in hopes that he can contribute a little bit this yera.

GrkGawdofWalkz
06-23-2009, 04:24 PM
Dont see why the Spurs would trade Manu now. I think the Spurs are either going to sign a big man for FA, and possibly draft one in hopes that he can contribute a little bit this yera.

Well this makes the draft a little bit more interesting now. We can eliminate the SF as a major area of need and go after the 4 and 5 areas. Pendergraph? Heyfeldt? and or any decent player who falls to the second round. Does this eliminate the Spurs from trying to buy into the first round?

JayW_1023
06-23-2009, 04:24 PM
Offensively we are much more dynamic now. We have Mason and Bonner around Duncan as shooters...and now we have two great slashers in Parker and Jefferson. Jeffersons athleticism will also give us an opportunity to play more uptempo, especially when Manu gets on the floor with Parker, Mason and Gooden.

I like the possibilities of RJ's addition...we'll be flat out tough to guard. He can provide the same kind of role Stephen Jackson provided for us in 2003...he is a similair player in that sense.

vick27m
06-23-2009, 04:25 PM
great deal for SA

soxnfins
06-23-2009, 04:42 PM
Looks like the we (Bucks) are buying out Bowen and Oberto.

IndiansFan337
06-23-2009, 04:43 PM
I don't get it for the Bucks.. Thomas and Oberto will be backups to Villanueva and Bogut, then Bowen might start but now this pretty much guarantees the Bucks will draft a SF. I dunno what the cap figures are so this may have been an attempt to get more cap space, but I'm not sure.

Definitely like it for the Spurs though.
Well, they drafted a SF last year. So I don't think that will happen again. I think they'll go for whichever of the PG's falls to them. They need to stay away from Jennings, IMO.


Dont see why the Spurs would trade Manu now. I think the Spurs are either going to sign a big man for FA, and possibly draft one in hopes that he can contribute a little bit this yera.
To get younger. They need some youth. If they can get the #5 pick + big man Etan Thomas for Ginobili they should pull the trigger. Ginobili has been injured a lot lately, and he is aging as well. If they can acquire James Harden or Jordan Hill they should seriously consider doing so. Their core is going to be killing them in 3 years if they don't make at least a few cautionary moves now to prevent that from happening.

Joshtd1
06-23-2009, 04:47 PM
As I mentioned in the other thread we posted in....I just dont want to see the Spurs trading to get younger, when it wont help Duncan win now in his few remaining years. Once Duncan is gone, we wont be contenders IMO, and I just think Manu will help out more now then Harden will.

JayW_1023
06-23-2009, 04:56 PM
As I mentioned in the other thread we posted in....I just dont want to see the Spurs trading to get younger, when it wont help Duncan win now in his few remaining years. Once Duncan is gone, we wont be contenders IMO, and I just think Manu will help out more now then Harden will.

Exactly...this trade actually makes it easier for us to keep Manu fresh until the postseason. Manu is still a proven clutch perfrmer when healthy...doesn't make sense to waste Parker and Duncans primes to deal a proven commodity like Manu for a rookie.

PHX-SOXFAN
06-23-2009, 05:03 PM
Who says RJ does play D, he's one of the better perimeter defenders in the whole league. some people should watch more basketball

exactly, this is a major upgrade in all areas. bowen wasn't the same defender any more, jefferson is now an upgrade on d. he is way better offensively. which leaves the spurs just giving up the guy who sets picks for tony parker. I think someone else can fill that role.:eyebrow:

major upgrade for the spurs. If they are healthy, they are right at the top.

JayW_1023
06-23-2009, 05:06 PM
Good trade for the Spurs they just need a true center.

Duncan was essentially our center last year...he was the defensive anchor and the post facilitator. By starting Bonner, his perimeter shooting opened up alot of spacing for Duncan to play on the block.

I expect this to be our starting line-up:

PG Parker
SG Mason
SF Jefferson
PF Duncan
C Bonner

With Manu, George Hill, Finley and Gooden as our bench. Not bad to have Drew Gooden as a big man reserve I'd say.

blazerman
06-23-2009, 05:34 PM
The league should take Milwaukees 1st rd draft pick to punish them for being so ********g stupid.
No future draft picks, a couple of expiring contracts for a young allstar(former)

Why give up your best player for cap space, to sign back two players that are average at best.
I would say the Spurs raped them but Im starting to wonder if some of the GM's like to get bent over.

I cant fault the Spurs they did what any good team would do.

I was really hoping to see the Bucks turn it around not to likely now!

GoatMilk
06-23-2009, 05:54 PM
spurs took advantage of another team's financial woes.

expect more of these lopsided trades to happen this offseason

dolfan720
06-23-2009, 05:55 PM
****!!!!!!!!!!!

UNETOWNBAYAREA
06-23-2009, 05:59 PM
this is a solid pick up for the spurs. Really gave up nothing to get Rj too

robdesign13
06-23-2009, 06:11 PM
I feel so bad for Milwalkee Fans. You'll never get to see what a one-two punch of Red and Jefferson could really do... Rebuilding mode again. Ouch.

robdesign13
06-23-2009, 06:12 PM
Looks like the we (Bucks) are buying out Bowen and Oberto.

Ya know, I really hate it when teams trade players and there are backroom deals for them to come right back. It should be against the rules... o wait it is, but nothing is ever done about it.

soxnfins
06-23-2009, 06:21 PM
I feel so bad for Milwalkee Fans. You'll never get to see what a one-two punch of Red and Jefferson could really do... Rebuilding mode again. Ouch.

I'm just so used to it.... I mean let's see passing on CP3 for Bogut... Picking Yi... Picking Alexander instead of Bayless (who would have done nicely)....

Ugh. Just get me Stephon Curry/ Tyreke Evans/ DeMar DeRozen/ Jonny Flynn and I'll be ok.

DeadMemories
06-23-2009, 06:24 PM
Spurs/Rockets WC-Semi Finals to battle vs the lakers in the wcf!

shep33
06-23-2009, 06:34 PM
They're still not better than the Lakers, Nuggets, or Jazz I think. Oberto and Thomas were solid big men, seems like the Spurs are going small, which isn't gonna beat the Lakers huge team. Good move since RJ is younger, but they need a quality big man or two to contend.

LakerzDQ
06-23-2009, 11:16 PM
this is fantastic for the Spurs.
They had stretches when they couldn't get their offense going. RJ can do that.

They became much younger as well.

#1Mavericksfan
06-23-2009, 11:21 PM
this is fantastic for the Spurs.
They had stretches when they couldn't get their offense going. RJ can do that.

They became much younger as well.

Richard Jefferson is pushing 30 hard and I mean hard.

DODGERS&LAKERS
06-23-2009, 11:30 PM
Richard Jefferson for that garbage? The Lakers even think the Spurs robbed the Bucks

still1ballin
06-23-2009, 11:33 PM
Good trade for Spurs, but I don't think they are better then Denver....gotta make a bit more moves for that to happen.

Young2Kinsler
06-23-2009, 11:37 PM
I wish a team would let us rip them off for a great player. It's rediculous. Lakers and Spurs getting handouts in trades, I don't know why teams bend over for them.

Wilson
06-23-2009, 11:54 PM
This helps San Antonio offensively a lot. It takes a ton of pressure off of Tim Duncan, which helps them a lot as he gets older. They're going to need to pick up some depth in the front court now though.

I don't think the loss of Bowen means too much on the court. I don't recall him playing too much when the Lakers played the Spurs this year.

jiggajay23
06-24-2009, 12:47 AM
Who is Jigga?

The only thing I can think of what you are talking about is Jay-Z. Don't see how a trade between the Bucks and Spurs helps him out though. Unless you still thought RJ was on the Nets.

No hes talking about me cuz i mentioned the fact that richard jefferson was dating tyson beckford who lives in NJ. I dont know what RJ is gonna do now he might have to break it off with tyson or force him to move to san antonio...its gonna be wierd seeing tyson beckford sitting next to eva longaria...also there are reports which are probably just rumors that jason kidds wife threw paint all over jeffersons car when he came to visit the kidd family cuz she thought that it was another girl that kidd was screwing...can anyone confirm this?

JayW_1023
06-24-2009, 04:33 AM
They're still not better than the Lakers, Nuggets, or Jazz I think. Oberto and Thomas were solid big men, seems like the Spurs are going small, which isn't gonna beat the Lakers huge team. Good move since RJ is younger, but they need a quality big man or two to contend.

The Jazz...don't be absurd...they also had an injury riddled season last year and had the eighth seed to show for it. Meanwhile The Spurs got the third seed with the team largely incomplete for most of the season.

The Jazz weren't as good as the Spurs before the trade...and sure as heck aren't the better team right now. The Spurs are without a doubt a second best team in the West at least after getting RJ.

JayW_1023
06-24-2009, 04:34 AM
I sure hope this trade makes Tiago Splitter decide to sign with the Spurs this season. We really could use another big.

Chronz
06-24-2009, 05:17 AM
I sure hope this trade makes Tiago Splitter decide to sign with the Spurs this season. We really could use another big.

I took a look at his translated #'s this year from overseas and goddamn man, why havent you guys brought him on board yet, this has Luis Scola written all over again, hopefully theyve learned from their mistake, or atleast paid more attention to their analytics department.

DerekRE_3
06-24-2009, 05:24 AM
I took a look at his translated #'s this year from overseas and goddamn man, why havent you guys brought him on board yet, this has Luis Scola written all over again, hopefully theyve learned from their mistake, or atleast paid more attention to their analytics department.

I think the Spurs would like to have him, but I think it's more of Tiago Splitter and his current team that are keeping him from being in a Spurs uniform.

LA_Raiders
06-24-2009, 08:33 AM
SA now has a great bench, I hope their starting 5 can play all game...lol

Wilson
06-24-2009, 09:38 AM
Don't sleep on the Spurs. There's a lot of time until the season starts, they can pick up extra depth in their front court.

JayW_1023
06-24-2009, 09:41 AM
Jefferson has been selfish in the past...but Pop and Timmy are gonna make sure RJ knows his place. The thing about Pop is how he can maximize a players effectiveness, like he did with the relatively unknown Roger Mason last year. RJ is still in his physical prime, so I expect him to really flourish under Pop next season if he stays in relative health.

Wilson
06-24-2009, 09:47 AM
Jefferson has been selfish in the past...but Pop and Timmy are gonna make sure RJ knows his place. The thing about Pop is how he can maximize a players effectiveness, like he did with the relatively unknown Roger Mason last year. RJ is still in his physical prime, so I expect him to really flourish under Pop next season if he stays in relative health.

He should work great as a slasher in between Parker and Duncan. It takes a lot of pressure off of Duncan as he grows older.

Durant is hype
06-24-2009, 09:56 AM
He should work great as a slasher in between Parker and Duncan. It takes a lot of pressure off of Duncan as he grows older.

Which more importantly gives Duncan more rest.