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8KB24
06-17-2009, 01:45 PM
I must admit that I questioned Kobe's leadership atimes during this championship run but at the end he showed what a good leader he is and got his well deserved finals MVP and 4th chip. But now what's next for Kobe? His legacy..! If the Lakers had beaten Celtics last year and repeated this year, Kobe will have cemented his legacy as the 2nd best all time...if not tied with MJ as the best all time.
Kobe can still make that bold statement on his Legacy by defending this title next year. However he will need Odom and Ariza to return. If I am Kobe, I will elect to restructure my contract to allow the Lakers to re-sign Odom and Ariza. This will even encourage Odom and Ariza to take a hometown's discount to stay in LA. 16-18 million a year can still feed Kobe and his glamorous wife n family for many generations.

fishedz
06-17-2009, 01:55 PM
Sure, take the paycut, keep the role players and develop the young guys on the bench. They could easily be a contendor for the next 5 years. MJ hit his prime at 29, Kobe is 30. Only problem is Phil might retire and that will make a huge difference. I could easily see them pulling a few more out before he retires. This is just the beginning.

prodigy
06-17-2009, 01:56 PM
The chances of repeating are very small. How much will kobe want it will be the key. Plus the team needs to get better. Always have to get better, because other teams will.

Hawkeye15
06-17-2009, 01:57 PM
With Cleveland a mess, Orlando heading into salary cap issues, San Antonio on the way down, and every other team not ready, the Lakers need to basically stay healthy and hungry. Watching Jackson gimp around isn't the best sign, but its possible they could repeat

primetime10
06-17-2009, 02:15 PM
trade bynum, fisher and a second round (they have a couple) to dallas for kidd

draft a big in the first round, pray he can develop into a fill in for bynum

keeping ariza and odom is NECESSARY. odom intensity is simply unmatched. he can catch fire at any time, as long as you just give him the opportunity. ariza, if many havent noticed, is a steals machine. why the hell couldnt he do this for knicks.

draft a backup pg in the second, and then either draft a legitimate 3-point shooter with the other second or package something like a farmar/secondrounder for a 3-point specialist. something would have to be done to replace fishers 3's.

i smell repeat.

rapswin98
06-17-2009, 02:18 PM
they just need to worry about denver, portland and houston in the west. those are the only teams that can probably give the lakers some problems next year. but is still think the lakers will dominate next year if they keep odom and ariza. they have a chance to become a dynasty.

mikantsass
06-17-2009, 02:23 PM
If KG comes back healthy next year, the Celtics will be the best team in basketball.

Pending a big trade and/or signing this summer of coarse

griffyatl
06-17-2009, 02:40 PM
Trade Bynum and Fisher for Kidd?? Thats the dumbest thing I've read all day.

ahastandupguy
06-17-2009, 02:40 PM
Let Odom go... Sign Turkglu... bynum becomes more of an offensive force.

griffyatl
06-17-2009, 02:43 PM
Primetime10, why would you want to make the team older then it is with Kidd. Kidd can't shoot that much is a given.

Lakers4ItAll
06-17-2009, 02:53 PM
trade bynum, fisher and a second round (they have a couple) to dallas for kidd

draft a big in the first round, pray he can develop into a fill in for bynum

keeping ariza and odom is NECESSARY. odom intensity is simply unmatched. he can catch fire at any time, as long as you just give him the opportunity. ariza, if many havent noticed, is a steals machine. why the hell couldnt he do this for knicks.

draft a backup pg in the second, and then either draft a legitimate 3-point shooter with the other second or package something like a farmar/secondrounder for a 3-point specialist. something would have to be done to replace fishers 3's.

i smell repeat.

Is this a joke?

Hellcrooner
06-17-2009, 03:07 PM
if he REALLY wants to win a ton of rings he would talk to Pau let his contract expire in 2011 at the same time pau expires and Both of them woudl take Vets minimun contracts allowing the Lakers to make a shot at 2011 or 2012 Free agent markets , Ming, Dirk, paul, Howard etc etc etc

prodigy
06-17-2009, 03:10 PM
With Cleveland a mess


???

jimbobjarree
06-17-2009, 03:15 PM
yeah they'll win it all again if the Celtics have major injury worries, and the majority of the Western opposition they face also have their struggles with injuries too, its hard not to repeat if thats the case.

masalex1205
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
If Garnett is hurt again

Lisound15
06-17-2009, 03:36 PM
trade bynum, fisher and a second round (they have a couple) to dallas for kidd

draft a big in the first round, pray he can develop into a fill in for bynum

keeping ariza and odom is NECESSARY. odom intensity is simply unmatched. he can catch fire at any time, as long as you just give him the opportunity. ariza, if many havent noticed, is a steals machine. why the hell couldnt he do this for knicks.

draft a backup pg in the second, and then either draft a legitimate 3-point shooter with the other second or package something like a farmar/secondrounder for a 3-point specialist. something would have to be done to replace fishers 3's.

i smell repeat.


lol you could get so much more for that package, kidds old and theres no way he fits the offense, they need a shooter not a playmaker, they already got kobe who does everything

JordansBulls
06-17-2009, 03:46 PM
Well the Lakers will be the hunted for sure, but I am not sure exactly how the Lakers should go about next season yet. What I mean is do they really need to get the best record in the conference next year and work hard all year long? Or do they just hang around to do enough to get HCA for the 1st two rounds and just be better prepared for the playoffs?

Also I think the Lakers will have to be hungry as well. Kobe will probably be hungry as will Gasol, but will the rest of the guys be hungry or will they play more for themselves by wanting more shots, more money, more minutes, more everything.

They worked well this year because they wanted that title, but who knows how everyone will respond. Remember it is a young team so it is quite different from having a team full of veterans.

Hawkeye15
06-17-2009, 03:47 PM
???

???
Um, they have one superstar. The rest of their players were exposed as glorified role players. Their second best player was cast off from Milwaukee. Basically, LeBron went for 39-8-8, and they still got killed. So yes, they are a mess unless they add another star down low this summer

JordansBulls
06-17-2009, 03:54 PM
???
Um, they have one superstar. The rest of their players were exposed as glorified role players. Their second best player was cast off from Milwaukee. Basically, LeBron went for 39-8-8, and they still got killed. So yes, they are a mess unless they add another star down low this summer

How does that really apply that Mo was not an allstar this year? Look how bad the 2 allstars on Orlando played in the finals. Does it mean they weren't stars?

It just means they were bad. The problem was that no one was predicting Orlando to win and that Mo opened up his mouth and that motivated Orlando.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:13 PM
I must admit that I questioned Kobe's leadership atimes during this championship run but at the end he showed what a good leader he is and got his well deserved finals MVP and 4th chip. But now what's next for Kobe? His legacy..! If the Lakers had beaten Celtics last year and repeated this year, Kobe will have cemented his legacy as the 2nd best all time...if not tied with MJ as the best all time.
Kobe can still make that bold statement on his Legacy by defending this title next year. However he will need Odom and Ariza to return. If I am Kobe, I will elect to restructure my contract to allow the Lakers to re-sign Odom and Ariza. This will even encourage Odom and Ariza to take a hometown's discount to stay in LA. 16-18 million a year can still feed Kobe and his glamorous wife n family for many generations.

Kobe needs to win more than 6 to be tied with MJ for all time. Simply getting 5 or 6 will not put him on MJ's level, considering Kobe had Shaq for the 1st 3 while Shaq was in his Prime. No Shaq, and Lakers probably were a 7 or 8 seed if they could even make the playoffs. MJ won all 6 of his on his own shoulders.

Hellcrooner
06-17-2009, 04:17 PM
^yeah on his own,.......

Scottie pippen, Horace grant, Toni Kukoc, Denis rodman, Paxon , Hodges, Harper , Longley

yeah on his own......


get real man!!!

Hawkeye15
06-17-2009, 04:19 PM
How does that really apply that Mo was not an allstar this year? Look how bad the 2 allstars on Orlando played in the finals. Does it mean they weren't stars?

It just means they were bad. The problem was that no one was predicting Orlando to win and that Mo opened up his mouth and that motivated Orlando.

Mo was named by Stern as a replacement for Nelson, simply because Cleveland had the best record, and they got a 2nd player. Hey, Wally made an all star team back in the day. So what. Fact is, Cleveland had the worst supporting cast from top to bottom of any contender in a landslide, and they have a lot to do this summer if they plan on securing LeBron. That is not debateable

Hawkeye15
06-17-2009, 04:22 PM
^yeah on his own,.......

Scottie pippen, Horace grant, Toni Kukoc, Denis rodman, Paxon , Hodges, Harper , Longley

yeah on his own......


get real man!!!

sorry dude, Shaq in his prime, along with Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, derek Fisher, Robert Horry, etc, is a better cast to put alongside and all star shooting guard than Jordan's cast was.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:23 PM
sorry dude, Shaq in his prime, along with Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, derek Fisher, Robert Horry, etc, is a better cast to put alongside and all star shooting guard than Jordan's cast was.

Exactly.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:23 PM
^yeah on his own,.......

Scottie pippen, Horace grant, Toni Kukoc, Denis rodman, Paxon , Hodges, Harper , Longley

yeah on his own......


get real man!!!

One key difference, Jordan never let his team lose a finals. Let alone 2.

Hellcrooner
06-17-2009, 04:25 PM
Cavs Overacheived in my opinion, their team was not THAT good to make it even out of the first round.

azkarraga
06-17-2009, 04:25 PM
this thread is gonna end up with a comparison between __ and ____? wanna bet?

LAKERRS24
06-17-2009, 04:26 PM
Trade Bynum and Fisher for Kidd?? Thats the dumbest thing I've read all day.

all-time..

Hellcrooner
06-17-2009, 04:26 PM
you are barking at the wrong dude im not precisally knwn for being a kobe fan .


And rings dont really matter.

Magic Johnson is the Goat.


Thats MY OPINION who shold be as valid as anyone elses.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:26 PM
this thread is gonna end up with a comparison between __ and ____? wanna bet?

Well it shouldn't include MJ. There is no comparison.

DCB/LAL
06-17-2009, 04:27 PM
The Lakers are the best team in basketball and as long as they keep this team intact they should be the favorites to win it all next year its simple as that.

DCB/LAL
06-17-2009, 04:28 PM
Well it shouldn't include MJ. There is no comparison.

Well if thats your opinion then why are YOU comparing them

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:28 PM
It will be interesting though next year if the Garnett can stay healthy. Things would have been a lot different, and we all know that.

With him back, Lakers are still the champs, but not really a big favorite in my eyes.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:29 PM
Well if thats your opinion then why are YOU comparing them

was simply replying to the original post in this thread. Sorry, won't do it again.

DCB/LAL
06-17-2009, 04:35 PM
was simply replying to the original post in this thread. Sorry, won't do it again.

Understood im just saying if you dont think they should be compared which is your opinion then dont add fuel to the fire by jumping in know what i mean.

Lakersfan2483
06-17-2009, 04:37 PM
I must admit that I questioned Kobe's leadership atimes during this championship run but at the end he showed what a good leader he is and got his well deserved finals MVP and 4th chip. But now what's next for Kobe? His legacy..! If the Lakers had beaten Celtics last year and repeated this year, Kobe will have cemented his legacy as the 2nd best all time...if not tied with MJ as the best all time.
Kobe can still make that bold statement on his Legacy by defending this title next year. However he will need Odom and Ariza to return. If I am Kobe, I will elect to restructure my contract to allow the Lakers to re-sign Odom and Ariza. This will even encourage Odom and Ariza to take a hometown's discount to stay in LA. 16-18 million a year can still feed Kobe and his glamorous wife n family for many generations.


The Lakers can repeat if they re-sign both Ariza and Odom. The Lakers have the best player in the NBA in Kobe and a great supporting cast around him in Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Ariza, Bynum, etc.... In order for them to repeat, they have to stay hungry and have the desire to want to remain on top.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:39 PM
Understood im just saying if you dont think they should be compared which is your opinion then dont add fuel to the fire by jumping in know what i mean.

No worries. I should expect to hear all this about Kobe the following few weeks after winning a title. As a Chicago guy, I just hate hearing people TRY to compare anyone to MJ, isn't just Kobe. Goes back to even say Harold Miner.

Hellcrooner
06-17-2009, 04:43 PM
^mature a bit.

those who are old enough to remeber as ME never have accepted nike imposing Jordan as the goat.


but you can be SuRE that eventually there will be not one but two , thre four of 20 players better than MJ.

RaiderLakersA's
06-17-2009, 04:45 PM
[QUOTE=Pierzynski4Prez;9821988]It will be interesting though next year if the Garnett can stay healthy. Things would have been a lot different, and we all know that.[QUOTE]

I'd love to see Boston v. LA with both teams at full strength in the Finals, but I don't know that the outcome would be any different than a Lakers championship. It was just our year, with Lady Luck riding us all the way to the promised land, just like she rode the Celts a year prior.

Getting back to the topic at hand, the Lakers can repeat if: the bad economy really does impact free agent movement and we keep Ariza and Odom; the Western Conference teams like Portland, Utah and Denver fail to step up to that next level; San Antonio and Dallas fail to get better through free agency; the brain trusts in charge of Phoenix and New Orleans really do gut their respective teams in order to save $$$ or rebuild; and the Lakers add one key addition to the roster that no one expects. (Monta Ellis, are you listening? Are you ready to learn how to become a PG from one of the best clutch performers in Lakers lore?)

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:46 PM
^mature a bit.

those who are old enough to remeber as ME never have accepted nike imposing Jordan as the goat.


but you can be SuRE that eventually there will be not one but two , thre four of 20 players better than MJ.

What have i said that makes me immature? Dude who started this whole thing said that if Kobe had won last year, he would be on Jordan's level. I disagreed, which is what this website is all about. I didn't go name calling or anything, so relax buddy.

And how can you be so SuRe of that? Babe Ruth has been the greatest baseball player for how long now??

DCB/LAL
06-17-2009, 04:47 PM
No worries. I should expect to hear all this about Kobe the following few weeks after winning a title. As a Chicago guy, I just hate hearing people TRY to compare anyone to MJ, isn't just Kobe. Goes back to even say Harold Miner.

Yes i understand but im sure MJ was had his comparisons to greats before him till he surpassed them and thats what is happening with Kobe im not saying that he will surpass Jordan but thats just the way it is if your great you'll be compared to the greats before you.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:48 PM
^mature a bit.

those who are old enough to remeber as ME never have accepted nike imposing Jordan as the goat.


but you can be SuRE that eventually there will be not one but two , thre four of 20 players better than MJ.

And just for the record, Are you saying that MJ is NOT the greatest of all-time?

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:50 PM
Yes i understand but im sure MJ was had his comparisons to greats before him till he surpassed them and thats what is happening with Kobe im not saying that he will surpass Jordan but thats just the way it is if your great you'll be compared to the greats before you.

Definately agree. He had to get past Bird/Magic before he could become the greatest. Before that, the best were really big men, so there wasn't ever much of a comparison outside of Bird/Magic.

And I'm not knocking on Kobe in any way. I know he has a good 5-6 years left where anything can happen. It's just a wait and see game, but nothing is guaranteed in this world.

Hellcrooner
06-17-2009, 04:53 PM
Mj is ONE of the Greatest players of all time.

but there is nothing that says that he has to be undiscussedly.

Kareem, wilt,Russell, Robertson, magic Johnson, Bird ALL of them have the right to be considered and the right for people to choose them as the Goat.


Im not going to accept what Sony Vacarro, Nike, Mcdonalds and Stern want me to accept blindedly.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 04:56 PM
Mj is ONE of the Greatest players of all time.

but there is nothing that says that he has to be undiscussedly.

Kareem, wilt,Russell, Robertson, magic Johnson, Bird ALL of them have the right to be considered and the right for people to choose them as the Goat.


Im not going to accept what Sony Vacarro, Nike, Mcdonalds and Stern want me to accept blindedly.

Quick question for you. If Jordan hadn't retired, do you think the Bulls would have won the title in 94 and 95?

Hellcrooner
06-17-2009, 05:00 PM
^he played int he 95 plyoffs with number 45 in his back and they DIDNT win the ring.

do you remember?

oh i guess you cant remeber because you didnt watch that first hand.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 05:01 PM
Actually i was at 2 of the games against the Magic buddy. Very mature yourself.

Pierzynski4Prez
06-17-2009, 05:01 PM
Guess I'm done with the conversation since I see what type of person I am talking too.